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JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« on: December 01, 2017, 04:01:35 pm »
The Concept

Forgive me if this initially sounds like layout planning, but I have actually started building and am going to be playing catch up with these posts before I am posting in real time. I wanted to put my aims down on paper first so to speak and hopefully set the scene.

Initially, I was very much into Great Western 1920s and 30s, influenced by my father and a layout we built in my childhood, but the more time I have spent on forums and reading books, the more I have grown to appreciate Southern and post nationalisation steam. A great influence on me was Southernboy's Frankland. Its suburban feel, Southern stock and superb modelling, plus his excellent posting style really picqued my interest. Then I got a copy of Waterloo Sunset with its footage of 60s steam on the Southwest and West of England mainlines - another big influence.

Running wise, I like to see trains passing and am more interested in passengers operations than freight, although some mail, parcel, milk and general goods stock is always welcome. Plus I wanted a decent shed area for displaying some locos awaiting their turn.

So I started listing what elements I wanted and so came up with this:

Passenger operations
Mainline station with at least 4 platforms
Minimum of dual line running
Loco shed
Continuous running
Some storage sidings for trains and/or carriage sidings
Opportunity to scratch build a suburban area
DCC
Late crest Southern Region with some Western interlopers
Ability to swap eras to run some Maunsell era stock (with the odd GWR interloper)
To have fun
To revert to rule one whenever the fancy took me

A house move earlier this year meant I now had use of a third bedroom as an office/modelling/layout room but knowing that we are likely to move again in the next 5 years or so meant I wanted the boards to be semi portable modules. The space available would be very roughly 7ft by 7ft around the walls, initially on units/desks but with the ability to be raised on legs to free up workspce under the layout as things developed.

I don't have a trackplan I'm afraid, rather am working from a plan in my head, various sections of which have been mocked up in trial runs. Simply put, the east side will have a 4 platform station and town, the north will have the 4 lines go down to 2 with a spur off to the loco shed, the west side will see the 2 lines continue with some train storage sidings (maybe hidden) and the south a spur to carriage sidings before the 2 lines split back into 4 before heading back round into the station.

Thanks for reading and any feedback welcomed.

Next the boards and name ideas.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 06:47:49 pm »
Thank you for your ideas.  It seems a good plan and I look forward to seeing some pictures of where you're up to.  Also, it would be nice if you could draw out at least a scheme of how you think things might progress.
With kind regards
Laurence

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 07:37:11 pm »
Thanks Laurence. Unfortunately I am having laptop issues at the moment so have no access to my planning software (I usually use AnyRail).  :(  Luckily I use my tablet for forum use.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2017, 08:21:17 pm »
I have absolutely no wish to rain on your parade, John, but what you described is a wish list which sounds hugely ambitious to someone who last built a layout in your childhood with your father.
I'm not saying "Don't do it" but would suggest you make the layout in smaller modules you can attach to each other to form the overall thing and, please, practice on anything to hand other than the layout.
I know from experience that a big layout can soon cause loss of mojo if things don't go to plan and would hate this wonderful hobby to pall.
Have a read of this and see if it helps you..........
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35556.msg416493#msg416493

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 08:35:09 pm »
Sound advice and something I would normally wholeheartedly agree with. I have actually built 4 layouts in the last 5 years (not all for me I hasten to add). The childhood one was merely where I originally got my GWR love from.

Sorry if my original post was a bit misleading.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 08:39:11 pm »
 :oopssign:

I'm teaching someone to suck eggs :sorrysign:

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 08:44:40 pm »
Not a problem at all. It was a natural assumption to make as I had not given any indication otherwise.

My first attempt back into the hobby failed because I was trying to be too adventurous and cram too much onto too many boards. I did a 4x2 oval after that to practice on and I still have that layout to use as a test bed for new methods and to run locos in on.


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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 02:56:15 pm »
Base Boards

For this build, I am using my tried and tested method of 'egg box' construction using 5.5mm ply. They won't be true egg boxes, because, as this is an around the room layout, the boards themselves will be quiet narrow with the widest being about 16 inches, so no additional lenghtwise supports are needed, just the front to backs every 12 inches.

The sides are made from 10cm (sorry to mix metric and imperial) widths cut from WBP 5.5mm 4ft x 2ft boards. Inch square battening is used at the vertical joints with everything glued and screwed together. Holes have been drilled to allow cabling to be passed through.

As with all my baseboards, they only get accepted for use if they can support my weight and I'm pleased to say that the first batch passed with flying colours. I took some pictures as I was building the first boards but now can not find them. Here are couple of snaps of a completed board.





The boards are being joined by dowels and catches. One board each for the station, the north side including the MPD, the west side (which will probably be hinged to allow access and the south side including the carriage sidings.

I have had a go at producing a track plan but my laptop is so poorly at the moment that after half an hour, all I was able to produce was four sections of straight track and a couple of sets of points. I moved a piece of track with the mouse then had to wait 10 seconds for it to move on screen, then had to readjust it, wait 10 seconds...repeat until bored of that game and then give up and do some actual modelling. A friend has offered to sort the laptop for me and once its working, I'll create and post a track plan.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 10:09:53 pm »
The first of the track laying commenced with the 4 lines running through the station using Peco code 80 wooden sleepered flexi track. It was fixed down with blobs of PVA, although, as I had to lift and adjust it I decided I needed to go and buy some Copydex to use before I laid any more. As I had the airbrush and compressor to hand, I decided to give it a blast of sleeper grime. I think Iíll hold off any further pre-ballasting weathering until Iíve laid all the rest of the track so I can do it all in one go.



Next I taped some paper down and using various bits of rolling stock, marked out templates for the platforms. I used a Metcalfe platform kit to construct the platform structures and these will be topped with thin plastic card before being the surfaces are painted and weathered. I find the tarmac surfaces supplied to be very inconsistant in colour and besides, not all platforms look like freshly laid tarmac.



Next will be track laying heading left towards the loco depot.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 08:44:05 am »
Hi John,

Just to say hi and looking forward to further pics and your future progress.

Cheers weave  :beers:

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 08:54:06 am »
Good to see track going down.
It's you railway so build it as you want and run whatever you like. The only rule is - ENJOY :
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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 08:55:02 am »
I have absolutely no wish to rain on your parade, John, but what you described is a wish list which sounds hugely ambitious to someone who last built a layout in your childhood with your father.
I'm not saying "Don't do it" but would suggest you make the layout in smaller modules you can attach to each other to form the overall thing and, please, practice on anything to hand other than the layout.
I know from experience that a big layout can soon cause loss of mojo if things don't go to plan and would hate this wonderful hobby to pall.
Have a read of this and see if it helps you..........
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=35556.msg416493#msg416493


I have a big layout and yeah, your mojo goes, sometimes to the point of really going.

However, as the late great Cyril Freezer said, a brick retaining wall is the correct background for a locomotive.

I must admit I have a fondness for urban layouts through dirty brick cuttings.  :thumbsup:
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

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Re: JohnN's as yet unnamed laylout
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 10:12:48 am »
Thanks guys.  :)

I have probably one more update to post then I should be up to date and posting in real time.

The track isn't wired up yet, but at least with some laid, I can maybe pose some rolling stock for the odd photo opportunity.

 

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