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Title: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 07, 2015, 11:21:39 pm
I hesitated over the title of this post cos it sounds a bit grandiose and I'm just a beginner !
But I know you all like photos,,,  with or without errant 'postrophies :),,,
Anyways, to rapidly and cheaply increase my fleet and to see what they were like, I have been playing with some Peco kits.

The first one (you have already seen in my magnets thread) is a very nice wee Brake Van in the NE or BR tradition, KNR58.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50560KNR58.jpg)
With a ready-to-run cattle wagon to the right for comparison (and colour check)
quite acceptable to run under Rule1 condx if one is not worried about lettering. (let alone even being able to see tiny lettering without a loupe at my age :( ! )
Also shown is a nice Conflat KNR20 with its container, better pic of it here :
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50559KNR20ConFlat.jpg)

So that was ok then,
ordered up some more :
KNR48 and KNR49 (Brake Vans LMS type and NE type)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50558Brakes.jpg)
argh !
why did they change the roof plastic from acceptable to a no-no white, even under Rule1 that is a non-starter !!
Now i need to learn painting !! (amongst the 1001other things a newbie needs to learn ;) )
At least it can be assembled without painting cos the roof is easily removable.

BUT, it gets worse, the cattle wagon kit is an all white body (and roof) on a black chassis.
The body slightly overhangs the chassis so when/if assembled there is a very thin white area to be painted in close prox to the black of the chassis, no way gunga-din ! paint up the body before assembly ;)
which is why it remains un-assembled here :-
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50555CattleWhite.jpg)

Duh ! forgot to photo the 5 and 7 plank kits which are also nice runners.
Then I have to work up a photo-diorama booth , 1002+ and counting , , ,

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review -- update
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 12:04:02 am
I had a bit of an experiment with some cheap acrilics ( 99p shop!) and a bit of googling on colour wheels and primary colours theory
came up with this :
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50568CattleOps.jpg)
at first the body looked a bit bright when very wet, but as it dries it is getting better.
Glad I decided to take that pic because I had not previously noticed the black spot and dark smudge ! Now corrected with a drop of water and a stir ! Seems quite forgiving this acrilic stuff, I hope that the somewhat thicker grey mix will exhaust its surface tension and dry a bit less lumpy ?

Is ther any advantage in a tiny bit of dilute detergent in the water in this regard ?

PS ignore the bright sparkles, very unforgiving flash ! cos I have run out of sunlight at 5 past midnight !!
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Agrippa on June 08, 2015, 01:03:27 am
These kits are very good, brake vans. tankers, coal wagons,
etc. By the way cheap acrylics are ok for landscape painting
but as they are supposed  to emulate oils they have a lumpy
buttery consistency not suitable for small models, better to
buy acrylics for model use, Tamiya, Revell,Humbrol etc.



 





Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 02:07:11 am
These kits are very good,
,
lumpy buttery consistency
Yes, for the cost the kits do tempt one into experiment.
(There is a thread elsewhere exploring the posibilities of budget intros to N., no way would I populate a beginner layout with and experiment upon, a BachFar premier13quid offering like this ! )
,
yep, it did stir like that ! but so far so good, 2am and the brown job is drying quite 'flat' into crevices, so fingers xxed for the lumpy roof.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Agrippa on June 08, 2015, 07:44:59 am
I like these kits a lot, just a pity Peco don't do bogie vehicles, coaches etc !
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 08, 2015, 08:20:13 am
I haven't built a Peco wagon kit for several years so things might have changed but:

On the positive side they are -
fairly cheap (a boon to building up long goods trains)
easy to build
can look good
encourage experimentation (such as weathering)

on the negative side -
need painting (difficult to achieve standards to match r-t-r these days)
can't always find the transfers (decals in 'newspeak')
plastic wheels

Just my thoughts, for what they might be worth.




Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: johnlambert on June 08, 2015, 08:35:32 am
I'm  big fan of Peco wagon kits, I'm working on a small batch of cattle wagons at the moment.

For paint I used Halfords red primer, which is a bit bright on its own but looks quite convincing once weathered with a wash of diluted matt black.

Here's one of mine, not quite finished but it hasn't turned out too badly.  I've picked out a few planks in a different colour to give the appearance of hastily carried out repairs.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/24/thumb_25492.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25492)
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 08, 2015, 08:49:50 am
With reference to comments about 'all white roof' and 'even under Rule One that is a non starter' sorry MalcolmAL but in his book 'Modellers' guide to the GWR' TJ Booth wrote (page 74) "These vehicles had chocolate brown bodywork and white or grey roofs" (referring to Syphons) and "Meat vans, MICAs and water tank wagons were painted white to help keep them cool" (page 75) so white roofs are legitimate in some circumstances.
But I imagine the real cause of the change was that it is easier to paint a light roof dark than a dark roof white.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 12:54:35 pm
Thanks for all the comments.

That cattle wagon was the sacrificial lamb ( all 3.60 of it ! ) and the 99p shop was the "what if" :)
as in, what if I do some painting for the first time in the greater part of a century ( my kindergarten days were a long time before the Beeb invented playschool and cardboard boxes ;) )
So all noted about proper paints.
The trouble I had with the 99p ones was that too much water and it all ran into puddles in corners and with too little it was, as you say, too buttery.
Now that the shiny plastic is coated perhaps the next coat can be applied thinner to better efect ? well it is keeping me off the streets and out of mischief :)

"encourage experimentation (such as weathering)"
:) yep, or even just experimentation, the weathering can come later :)
Please dont be sorry about the whiteness, all very interesting. I must admit my Rule1 comment looks harder in print than when I typed it ! I was smiling, honest !! And I did wonder if all roofs were created grey.
Nice plank picking John, I will need a stronger pair of spectacles before I get into that.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Ensign Elliott on June 08, 2015, 12:55:46 pm
I'm a huge fan of the Peco wagon kits. I've been able to build up a decent rake of china clay wagons (the earlier steam era wagons as opposed to the later hoods) from the Peco 5 plank wagons. With a little bit of scratch built alteration, they make a nice little train. Will post some pics later if I can.

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Agrippa on June 08, 2015, 01:32:03 pm
I'm a fan too, built up a rake of TTA tank wagons, very neat  little
model. Also Peco make various types of wagon chassis if you
fancy scratch building, only about 3 , I think wheels and
couplings are included.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: twinklekev on June 08, 2015, 03:47:56 pm
I too am a fan of the Peco wagons. A large part of my goods stock has come from their stable. With care and the right paints and "decals" they make up into really good models. For mineral wagons you can't beat tins of grey primer or red oxide or black (the most common colours for pre WW2 days) as you get a good finish and the decals stick well.

I would suggest that if you are going to paint in a serious way then Rail Match paints (just a satisfied user) can't be beaten or you could try the Tamiya / Games Workshop acrylics. My son has done some fantastic Warhammer models using the Games Workshop paints. Far better than my humble efforts I have to say  :'(
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 08, 2015, 04:05:14 pm
I'm  big fan of Peco wagon kits, I'm working on a small batch of cattle wagons at the moment.

For paint I used Halfords red primer, which is a bit bright on its own but looks quite convincing once weathered with a wash of diluted matt black.

Here's one of mine, not quite finished but it hasn't turned out too badly.  I've picked out a few planks in a different colour to give the appearance of hastily carried out repairs.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/24/thumb_25492.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25492[/url])


A nice looking cattle truck, John. But as I said earlier, where do you get the markings? It's a pity Peco don't provide a sheet of transfers (as most kit producers do) for their vehicles.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 05:23:40 pm
But as I said earlier, where do you get the markings? It's a pity Peco don't provide a sheet of transfers (as most kit producers do) for their vehicles.
In reply #42 in the Landship Train thread
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27868.msg308518#msg308518 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27868.msg308518#msg308518)
PLD is relettering a Farish brake van, might be worth asking there ?
(I would have asked except it is way beyond my pay-grade yet and I would have forgot by the time I get to needing it ! )

In BachFarSteam forum ;) ! you may need to clutch some garlic before venturing forth  :laugh3:
(just seen your sig. :) )


Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Jonny on June 08, 2015, 10:16:40 pm
Fox transfers may do the decals


I recently purchased some lner loco and coach decals from them
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 10:52:42 pm
I like these kits a lot, just a pity Peco don't do bogie vehicles, coaches etc !
and / or kits of all their other (10 and 15 ft ) wagons that they do and are structured same (two nuts).
[I have just discovered that the 9ft kits are the ye olde plastic bits on a sprue that need glue type building, whereas these 10 and 15 jobs are just two wee nuts onto plastic ummm thingies ! :) then job done.]
browsing about on ebay earlier it seems that they used to do coaches ?
and locos, the Peco Collett seems to be much sort after, and my swmbo would kill for one of those !
Not for us to question the corporate model of Peco ( nuff of that sort of thing in other Farish and Dapol threads !! ) but one wonders about their mojo !



Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 08, 2015, 11:47:32 pm
Nice plank picking John, I will need a stronger pair of spectacles before I get into that.
Ah !
two stacked reading glasses and a handsfree magnifier later :
plank pickers, pop pickers ( are you old enough to remember him ? ) everywhere :
the brown (experiment in mixing bauxite?) first coat dried quite well ( dont mention the roof !) so I thort how about picking out the metalwork.
Dunno if I am picking the right bits, nor if they were ever painted black, but just for fun here is my Mk2 effort.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50444Picker.jpg)


After that I chickened out (the diagonals for another day ! ) and poured a Gin&Tonic :)



Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Jonny on June 09, 2015, 07:42:16 am
Here is my peco bolsters im building.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/58herbie/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0064.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/58herbie/media/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0064.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/58herbie/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0065.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/58herbie/media/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0065.jpg.html)

Also a chivers LNER horsebox which was built of teak. Here I have the teak undercoat and first layer of teak top coat on. More layers to go yet to get the depth and graining.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/58herbie/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0067.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/58herbie/media/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0067.jpg.html)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/58herbie/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0068.jpg) (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/58herbie/media/Kit%20Builds/DSC_0068.jpg.html)

Cheers

Jonny

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Zimonski on June 10, 2015, 08:06:11 am
It amazes me how some people manage to hand paint lettering and numbers, especially on n gauge stock, they must use a 1 hair paintbrush??
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Bad Raven on June 10, 2015, 01:01:49 pm
What about the range of Modelmaster decals available from the N gauge Society Shop?

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 10, 2015, 06:04:36 pm
Fox transfers may do the decals


I recently purchased some lner loco and coach decals from them

Thanks - I'll try them for wagon ones too.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 10, 2015, 09:06:26 pm
Here are the two wagons that I forgot in my original post.
The 5 Plank and 7 Plank kits, KNR40 & 41
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/7and5plank50595.jpg)
Quite dark plastic but acceptable ( from the usual operating distance ! ) in my world to run like this whilst learning the ropes :)
Again, simple to build, just two tiny nuts to be self threaded on to plastic spigots to hold the body, weight bar and chassis together.

It may be worth noting that it is quite a fiddly and delicate operation getting the nuts started and they need to be fully tightened down ** but without wringing the neck off the spigots ! Very worrying because one does not know the strength of the spigot !! In an ideal engineering world one would be given a torque spec. but the instructions only say "do not over tighten", which is a statement of 'the bleedin obvious'. One does not know the sheer strength until one has over tightened and then it is too late :(

** Need to be fully tight to hold the body close to the chassis - because that is what holds the captive coupling pivot horizontal in its housing (pocket)

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Zimonski on June 10, 2015, 09:50:24 pm
Thanks for the photo's Malcom, it's good to see clear close-ups..  I've often wondered what the wagon kits were like :)
It's handy to know that transfers are available to.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Agrippa on June 10, 2015, 09:57:06 pm
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 10, 2015, 10:03:09 pm
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....
Quite so !
That was my back-up plan if it all went orribly rong, but in that case you may want to make up a clamp device ( somewhere I have some nifty wee G-cramps which would do ) because as I said the close fit of the superstructure to the chassis sets the coupling freedom of movement,,, get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 10, 2015, 10:08:21 pm
Thanks for the photo's Malcom, it's good to see clear close-ups..
Thanks.
I may have to revisit that pic ( it was late and the light was declining ) cos I forgot (duh ! ) to include a colour comparison, in real life the plastic is slightly more brown than that pic shows on my screen.
But yes, me too wondered, which is why I bought a selection to try cos Peco dont exactly over-sell themselves with product descriptions ! :)
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Agrippa on June 10, 2015, 10:13:30 pm
No they don't blow their own trumpet very much and a lot of their stuff has
been around for ages, but a lot of people like ther products.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 10, 2015, 10:25:28 pm
but a lot of people like ther products.
Including me now :)
I had previously read forums and the web but didnt get an overwhelming 'warm' impression ! and the else/rapido couplings came in for a bit of stick.
However, having tried them I am well impressed. And the couplings with the magnetic lift arms are magic ! (will report on that later elsewhere, but I am well on my way to a mininook :) - the main layput construction has taken a back-seat with the coming of spring and the work to be done in the garden :( )

Ok, for those that want super-realism and detail etc then Farish will suit well, but the price is offputting if one wants to 'play' ! (or build a big fleet )
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 10, 2015, 11:01:41 pm
they make a nice little train. Will post some pics later if I can.
Yes please :)   :photospleasesign:

I'm a fan too, built up a rake of TTA tank wagons,
Was  that with the KNR50 ?  :photospleasesign:

Also a chivers LNER horsebox which was built of teak. Here I have the teak undercoat and first layer of teak top coat on. More layers to go yet to get the depth and graining.
Ah ! you had me all excited there for a mo. , a horse box ! , but some Googling later and it seems not a Peco ? Chivers expired some time ago ?? Five79 came up followed by ParksideDundas then the trail went cold :( ????


Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: dannyboy on June 11, 2015, 01:00:39 am
"get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result" - does this just afflict 'n gaugers' ?   :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 06:45:45 am
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....

That's my preferred method. After all, it's not as if you will be undoing the nuts again, is it?
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 06:47:25 am
It amazes me how some people manage to hand paint lettering and numbers, especially on n gauge stock, they must use a 1 hair paintbrush??

And a VERY steady hand! :laugh:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 06:58:58 am

Ok, for those that want super-realism and detail etc then Farish will suit well, but the price is offputting if one wants to 'play' ! (or build a big fleet )


Given that when we view a model railway from, say, 2 or 3 feet away, it's like looking at the prototype from an actual distance of about 350 - 400 feet how much 'super realism' can we make out anyway? :confused2:
To me much of that 'super detail' is there 'just to put the price up'! :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Sprintex on June 11, 2015, 08:20:48 am
Before we get into the whole "Detail V Price" debate again there is a whole 10 page thread HERE (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28093.0) devoted to the topic.

Since this is a review thread can we keep to the merits or otherwise of Peco kits please? :thankyousign:


Paul
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 08:26:10 am
Before we get into the whole "Detail V Price" debate again there is a whole 10 page thread HERE ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28093.0[/url]) devoted to the topic.

Since this is a review thread can we keep to the merits or otherwise of Peco kits please? :thankyousign:


Paul


With respect Paul, I thought we were in as much as we are comparing the detail on older Peco kits with those of modern rtr stock.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 09:23:44 am
For what its worth I think the PECO kits are excellent, and I must have nearly 50 of them for my coal trains alone, its like people have said previously when viewed from your average viewing distance you loose track of the detail and then to my eyes at least the "overall look" takes over.

I must admit I have a bit of a thing for PO wagons and I have many more Farish ones than I need or even have space for, and while they are excellent detail wise, I have lost count of the number I have to move the brake blocks away from the wheels to allow free running, or even bend the axleboxes outwards to achieve the same. Then don't get me started on the yo-yo effect you get when running a long train of them.

For lettering them I must admit in the past I have done this free hand but I also use the excellent Fox transfers, but when you apply typical weathering to the stock lots of the detail is obscured, but at least I know its there.

The only thing I think could be improved with the Peco kits is substitution the wheels for metal tyres, but then again I like cleaning the plastic ones......are we ever happy ?  ???
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Jonny on June 11, 2015, 09:58:43 am
I fit farish metal wheels to all my peco wagons costs a little more but to me gives better runnung on finer track

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: newportnobby on June 11, 2015, 10:41:32 am
"get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result" - does this just afflict 'n gaugers' ?   :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:

Only if your nuts aren't tightened, I believe :angel:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 10:45:57 am
I sometimes glue a very thin plastic square on the top of dropping couplings then if you manually couple them up the adjacent coupling keeps them attached, it stops long rakes becoming detached.

I must admit I will always have a soft spot for the PECO kits,
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 11, 2015, 11:25:25 am
"get a bit of a gap and droopy coupling will result" - does this just afflict 'n gaugers' ?   :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:

Only if your nuts aren't tightened, I believe :angel:
:laughabovepost:
 :laughabovepost:   :claphappy:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: daveg on June 11, 2015, 02:06:25 pm
Those nuts are small  !  If you can't thread them just
glue them.....

'Fraid that's what I resorted to with some.

Why would you want to take them apart anyway? Unless of course you wanted a repaint or something.  ???

Dave G
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 11, 2015, 10:44:27 pm
Unless of course you wanted a repaint or something.  ???
Yep !
but I dont fancy the chances of them following the previously self cut threads on the plastic spigots, so u'd prob end up gluing them the second time round anyway !

I finally found my dial micrometer ( my C mic remains lost in the sands of time ) and going by the 122 thou (+/- 1) approx across flats it would seem that they are M1.6 nuts at 3.2mm.
sadly that is between my 3 and 3.5 nut spinners :( which explains why I had to use long-nose pliers :(


Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 12, 2015, 01:42:36 am
Hmmm, not sure where to post this on the forum, may incure the wrath of mods for straying from review ? here within ? :-

an alternative construction technique to allow temporary fixings,
spawned, obviously, by the above nuts vs. glue discussion

To judge the visual impression from a respectable distance of various colours ( I'll not bore you with the other side ! ) here is a temporarily assembled embryo cattle wagon running alongside a rtr Peco wagon.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/PartWagon50607.jpg)
It is easily dismantled to allow repainting on account of it being held together
(drum roll) not by nuts
(drum roll) (nuther drum roll) nor by glue
but by
,
,
(multiple drum rolls ) magnets !

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/PartWagon50623.jpg)
and t'other side
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/PartWagon50622.jpg)

10mm x 1mm N50 neo, but them's not critical,
in fact the honest truth is that my **ack handed painting left sufficient errant upon the spigots that it alone was probably nuff to allow sticky-together running !

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/Errant50622.jpg)

I continue to be amazed by the strength of these newfangled neos !
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: DELETED on June 12, 2015, 10:18:58 pm
Peco kits have been building my stock-up.  3-4 each, about the only way I can build a rake, I usually print out nomenclature etc on my printer but this time Ididn't bother and hardly notice it...

(http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/RSTA/IMAG0184.jpg) (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/RSTA/media/IMAG0184.jpg.html)

(http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/RSTA/IMAG0186.jpg) (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/RSTA/media/IMAG0186.jpg.html)

(http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/RSTA/IMAG0185.jpg) (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/RSTA/media/IMAG0185.jpg.html)

...sorry for the bad pics!

My only criticism would be if you're using "artist" acrylics they're just  not the same as "modellers" ones and you'll get on much better with modellers paints.  The Peco kits are great though, can't recommend them highly enough. Your efforts look good :thumbsup:  Much nicer to make something rather than just unpack from the box.

Rich
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: daveg on June 13, 2015, 08:22:48 am
Looking good, Rich.

Peco wagons are VFM and you can upgrade the axles to GF ones of which I have plenty of spares.

Quite right about the paint. I struggled like mad to get a decent finish with artists' stuff and gave up with it. Not got any modellers' paint but now prompted to get some in.

Dave G
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: DesertHound on June 14, 2015, 11:12:07 am
These do look like fantastic kits for the money and I like the work done by member's above.

Being a "metal wheels only" chap, might I ask which metal wheels are most suitable to use? I have used a few Farish ones but they seem too tight, hence with impeded rotation.

Kindest

Dan
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Jonny on June 14, 2015, 12:55:23 pm
Dan

I use the new farish Wheels but I take a file to the pin point and file it down a tad.  Thid way the point doesn't cut into the axle box
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: johnlambert on June 14, 2015, 09:02:00 pm
Latest on my batch of cattle wagons.

Painted but more painting/weathering needed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25927.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25927)


From a normal viewing distance they look pretty good mixed in with RTR wagons.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25928.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25928)

One thing I did, which I should have realised before, was to screw the nuts on and off the lugs before final assembly to cut a thread.  This makes final assembly a bit easier as you're not trying to hold everything together and twist the nut onto a plain lug.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: DesertHound on June 14, 2015, 09:09:53 pm
Dan

I use the new farish Wheels but I take a file to the pin point and file it down a tad.  Thid way the point doesn't cut into the axle box

Thanks Jon

I'll give it a go!

Dan
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 09:53:39 pm
That is interesting to know Jon, thanks.
I had not tried it myself cos I didnt think the plastic threads would survive two passes !
My 'in construction / being painted' wagon is still held together, for running testing, by magnets.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: newportnobby on June 14, 2015, 09:57:57 pm

My 'in construction / being painted' wagon is still held together, for running testing, by magnets.

Magnets! Bah - I can't see what the attraction is.



Taxi!!!!
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 10:14:14 pm
:)
That is repelling ;)
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 10:16:18 pm
I was just about to post a review of KNR-4 "Open Wagon, Bolster"

now I've lost my train of thought

 :laugh: :bounce:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: scotsoft on June 14, 2015, 10:25:52 pm
You want to get your thoughts coupled together  :D
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - KNR-4
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 10:29:42 pm
 :laughabovepost:
In an attempt to bolster the flagging intellectual content  :laugh: :-

So here we have a puzzling double-bolster wagon.
Much the same construction as the other 10 and 15ft wheelbase wagons ( this is a 15) ie. wheels, couplings etc and all held together by two wee nuts, apart from the two bolsters and their stanchions (sp? that's a funny looking word !)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50626Bolster2.jpg)
and here a closer-up of the important bits
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50629Bolster1.jpg)

The bit I dont understand (which is different from the other kits I have made so far) is that there is no obvious placement for the bolsters and what are thos two small pips or pads on the underside of the bolsters.
They will hold the bolster above the truck bed which doesnt seem proto ?
Surely the idea of the bolster is to lay flat on the wagon top and distribute the load ?

Anyhows, there is no info in the leaflet nor sign on the wagon of where they should be located :(

Unless I'm going blind or off my trolly ?

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: scotsoft on June 14, 2015, 10:35:06 pm
Now that is an enigma  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 10:37:35 pm
Send for Biggles !

Oh, sorry wrong machine, wrong era, wrong war,
argh dont mention ,,,
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: paulprice on June 14, 2015, 11:04:25 pm
on my examples I cut the pips off the bolster supports so they fitted flush with the wagon floor
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 14, 2015, 11:19:08 pm
Quote from: paulprice link=topic=28157.msg3
10326#msg310326 date=1434319465
on my examples I cut the pips off the bolster supports so they fitted flush with the wagon floor
Thanks Paul, I was contemplating the same but being new to all this was waiting to see what others had done !
How did you decide upon the position of them -- 1/4 way in from the ends maybe, or 1/3rds  praps ?

Meanwhile, it provides stirling (?) service transporting magnetite from the iron ore workings of West Cumberland via Silloth to the Metal Box Factory in Carlisle :) :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50632Magnetite.jpg)

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: paulprice on June 15, 2015, 07:27:14 am
on my examples I cut the pips off the bolster supports so they fitted flush with the wagon floor
Thanks Paul, I was contemplating the same but being new to all this was waiting to see what others had done !
How did you decide upon the position of them -- 1/4 way in from the ends maybe, or 1/3rds  praps ?

Meanwhile, it provides stirling (?) service transporting magnetite from the iron ore workings of West Cumberland via Silloth to the Metal Box Factory in Carlisle :) :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Peco/50632Magnetite.jpg)

When I get home today I will see if I can did one out of the stock box, and photograph it
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 15, 2015, 12:40:26 pm
Arrrgh !
My 12th kit, my seond BR brake van,
and I have managed to wring its neck, well one plastic spigot on it ! :(

Grrrr, out with the glue , , ,

What a *%#$  &^* design from an engineering point of view !

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: joe cassidy on June 15, 2015, 12:42:28 pm
Double-sided tape is not bad for attaching wagon bodies to Peco 10' chassis.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: paulprice on June 15, 2015, 12:53:26 pm
I like cheap superglue
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 15, 2015, 01:07:12 pm
Thanks guys,
fractionly too late for this one but noted for the future, I'm sure there will be more ! Whata%*% etc ! :)
My superglue must be too cheep cos it didnt :(
Now it is clarted up with one of my many varieties of UHU.

If that doesna woik I'll go out and buy another super in case and a roll of double sticky as well.

Joe : I like that idea, at least I wont get my fingers superglued together !
My first thought was that the extra thicknes of the (2 ?) layers of tape would give space for droopy coupling.
My seond thought was obviously not ! cos you are using it !!
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: joe cassidy on June 15, 2015, 06:29:32 pm
You have to be careful with the brand of tape you use - the thinner the better and the softer the better.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: MalcolmAL on June 15, 2015, 09:24:06 pm
When I get home today I will see if I can did one out of the stock box, and photograph it
Thanks Paul but no worries, I've found pics of the rtr Peco version on the web, so thats ok :)
( I shud av thort of that before ! duh!! )

Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: DELETED on June 20, 2015, 09:20:06 pm
Looking good, Rich.

Peco wagons are VFM and you can upgrade the axles to GF ones of which I have plenty of spares.

Quite right about the paint. I struggled like mad to get a decent finish with artists' stuff and gave up with it. Not got any modellers' paint but now prompted to get some in.

Dave G

Cheers, I have a good few packs of the GF axles but finding them too-wide for Peco (I have a post about this somewhere where apparently Parside Dundas axles are more of a direct swap).  Nevertheless, for an aerosol of halfords primer and a couple of Tamiya paints plus Daler varnish it can't be beat for the cost / time.  In any case the Peco kits are such good VFM in my oppinion.  Have been looking at Dapols' unpainted Siphon G's for a while at 6 compared to 15+ RTR but it seems they're all "outside framed" so no good for BR blue 70-80's days!?

Rich
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Hailstone on June 21, 2015, 03:37:26 pm
Looking good, Rich.

Peco wagons are VFM and you can upgrade the axles to GF ones of which I have plenty of spares.

Quite right about the paint. I struggled like mad to get a decent finish with artists' stuff and gave up with it. Not got any modellers' paint but now prompted to get some in.

Dave G

Cheers, I have a good few packs of the GF axles but finding them too-wide for Peco (I have a post about this somewhere where apparently Parside Dundas axles are more of a direct swap).  Nevertheless, for an aerosol of halfords primer and a couple of Tamiya paints plus Daler varnish it can't be beat for the cost / time.  In any case the Peco kits are such good VFM in my oppinion.  Have been looking at Dapols' unpainted Siphon G's for a while at 6 compared to 15+ RTR but it seems they're all "outside framed" so no good for BR blue 70-80's days!?

Rich

The new Graham Farish axles will fit Peco chassis, the just need the following tweak for either spoked or three hole discs, just place the axle in place as usual, then holding the wagon by the axleboxes either side of the new axle, squeeze firmly but carefully then check that the wheel set runs free, if not, repeat the exercise, 2 applications of pressure are usually enough. I have treated about 40 peco wagons in this manner and all run as well as if not better than untreated stock with the benefit that they do not seem to pick up the deposit that plastic wheels seem to.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: JonHarbour on December 06, 2017, 11:46:54 pm
Sorry to dredge up an old thread and all that.... but  have a dumb question concerning the Peco kits. Do they come with the chassis, or do you need to buy the chassis separately?
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Chris Morris on December 07, 2017, 06:02:42 am
They come complete with chassis wheels and couplings but they do need to be painted. They may be old fashioned but if you want a lot of wagons for a small outlay they are brilliant. They are pretty easy to put together. Its best to paint them before assembly.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Drakken on December 07, 2017, 08:40:15 am
Totally agree for about 4 a piece you can make up quite a rake. Definitely take this advice total pain as I found out  :laugh:

Its best to paint them before assembly.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Bealman on December 07, 2017, 08:50:30 am
I've always reckoned that Peco mineral wagons in a long rake  look OK. The kit way is most certainly cheaper!

Plus you can weather them yourself... plenty advice here!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Rob H on December 07, 2017, 09:42:22 am
They come with plastic wheels but are easily replaced with Farish metal spares.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: trkilliman on December 07, 2017, 10:18:28 am
I have made up several wagon kits over the years.

Peco ones are fairly simple. The NGS ones available to members need a bit more thought. My opinion is that kits will become more attractive as prices of rtr continue to rise.
The old Parkside Dundas are now owned by Peco and now called Parkside. These can be a bit tricky getting the solebars in exactly the right position. They will hopefully have clearer instructions in future, and less will get thrown at the cat!

Peco have hinted they will expand the Parkside range.

I would like to think that the NGS will do the same with their wagon range once they have sorted out some tooling/parts problems. Thankfully they do have a dedicated team of volunteers working towards getting the kit range fully running again.

I see a bright future for kits. Bulk deals to build a rake would probably go down well, enabling a production line scenario...helpful if airbrushing.
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: daveg on December 07, 2017, 10:42:51 am
They come with plastic wheels but are easily replaced with Farish metal spares.

Exactly what I did. Think it improves the running as well.

Dave G
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Chris Morris on December 07, 2017, 11:52:51 am
Mine are fine with plastic wheels.
This lot have run miles round my layout at exhibitions without any problems. I always put a GF wagon with metal wheels behind the loco and I think this helps. All the others are Peco kits.

Also got a few Peco vans mixed in with GF vans just to give a bit of variety to my van train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/3123-071217115217.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58990)
Title: Re: Peco wagon kits - mini review
Post by: Vanders on December 09, 2017, 06:03:04 pm
The old Parkside Dundas are now owned by Peco and now called Parkside. These can be a bit tricky getting the solebars in exactly the right position. They will hopefully have clearer instructions in future, and less will get thrown at the cat!

Peco have hinted they will expand the Parkside range.
I'll be interested to see if Peco replace the plastic wheels in their current wagon kit range with the far superior Parkside metal wheels.

My #1 complaint with Peco (& Parkside) kits is still that the N gauge kits don't include decals. It's not like they don't know how; their O gauge kits include suitable decals!