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Title: More thieving to report....
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 23, 2014, 07:08:08 PM
Hello all,

I came across this link on the N gauge Facebook group. As some of you may know, I am a member of a similar railway (7 1/4 inch, but same principle)....So I hope very much the owner can be re-united with his lovely loco...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152290018848000&set=gm.10151991669328437&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152290018848000&set=gm.10151991669328437&type=1)

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: scotsoft on February 23, 2014, 07:30:56 PM
That is so sad to read, I hope the stolen items are found and returned.
If they catch the culprits I would put money on them getting a slapped wrist which is no justice at all.

John.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: lil chris on February 23, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
Someone broke into my local model shop, the loco shed in whitefield/north manchester a few weeks ago. They were caught by the police and the hidden cam in the shop. Also a local hardware shop put cam footage on Facebook of some tea-leaf pocketing items from his hardwear shop,I went in again the other day apparently he give himself up....nice to see them being caught.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Agrippa on March 01, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
A friend of mine has a house in an isolated semi rural area. He also has a huge  dog, and came home with his wife to find a patio door forced open and the room full of feathers. After reporting it to the police he learned that they had arrested a local man found with dog bites and wearing a shredded down jacket.

Nothing was stolen , but the damage to the door was expensive. No charges were brought against the miscreant who claimed he was drunk at the time.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: scotsoft on March 01, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Quote from: Agrippa on March 01, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
Nothing was stolen , but the damage to the door was expensive. No charges were brought against the miscreant who claimed he was drunk at the time.


That does not make sense to me, so what if he was drunk, he still knew what he was doing and who is going to pay for the damage  :veryangry:

cheers John.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: EtchedPixels on March 01, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
Quote from: scotsoft on March 01, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
That does not make sense to me, so what if he was drunk, he still knew what he was doing and who is going to pay for the damage  :veryangry:

cheers John.

The damage to the door would be a civil matter (small claims). The state punishes people, the civil legal system moves money around to compensate for harm caused.

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Agrippa on March 02, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
AFAIK the guy was on benefits or a local junkie so little prospects of any worthwhile claim.
My friend is a businessman who would pursue any debt but in this case he just had to bite the bullet.

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: DesertHound on June 23, 2014, 03:38:06 PM
Scumbags, the lot of 'em. Benefits for these people? I can think of a benefit, you'll find it behind bars!

Absolute pond life - the lot of 'em!
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: PaulCheffus on June 23, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Hi

I'm surprised the person who broke in didn't sue them for damages to his jacket, etc. Thats the usual way these sort of things seem to go.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: DesertHound on June 23, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
Like that one Paul. Said burglar makes himself a cup of tea during his "half time break" and slips on the milk he spilt. Then it's YOUR fault.

I think you should be allowed to shoot 'em!
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: steve836 on July 23, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
I recon C.P.S. stands for Criminal Protection Service!
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Greybeema on July 23, 2014, 11:00:27 AM
They changed the law in Ireland so that you can use "Reasonable Force" to defend your property if broken into.  That why I have both a baseball bat and my 1875 Cavalry Sabre under the bed.  I'll define "Reasonable" after the event...
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: steve836 on July 24, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: DesertHound on June 23, 2014, 03:38:06 PM
Scumbags, the lot of 'em. Benefits for these people? I can think of a benefit, you'll find it behind bars!

Absolute pond life - the lot of 'em!
That's a highly slanderous statement! It's just as well pond life can't afford lawyers! :laugh:
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: oscar on December 10, 2014, 08:40:05 PM
Quote from: steve836 on July 23, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
I recon C.P.S. stands for Criminal Protection Service!

Couldn't Prosecute Satan..........
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: DesertHound on January 01, 2015, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: steve836 on July 24, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: DesertHound on June 23, 2014, 03:38:06 PM
Scumbags, the lot of 'em. Benefits for these people? I can think of a benefit, you'll find it behind bars!

Absolute pond life - the lot of 'em!
That's a highly slanderous statement! It's just as well pond life can't afford lawyers! :laugh:

My humblest of apologies to pond life Steve  ;D
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Bristolmar on June 15, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
My wife keeps an air rifle in the bedroom and is itching to use it on an intruder.

Me I just want an easy time

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Some kind of scum sucking bottom feeder managed to get into my car last night and stole my sat nav from the glove box. In one way, that's not the worst of it. He/she/it did the dirty deed without breaking in. Now, I CAN say, for sure that the car was locked because it auto locks even if I forget to do it myself. If no keys are in the ignition and no one is in the vehicle all the doors lock automatically. I don't know what to do about that. Looks like someone has a key or knows how to pick the lock.
The local plod say it's unlikely anything can be done unless someone is caught in the act. I am assured that if I catch someone and 'deal with it' myself, I will likely end up in bigger trouble than they do.
Things are upside down!
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Malc on June 27, 2015, 09:56:45 AM
Sometimes the thieves use an electronic sniffer to "listen" to the commands going back and forth between your key fob and the car. They then play them back and gain entry. We had something similar around here with people loosing the small change they kept for parking meters. I fitted a wifi camera in the porch that overlooks the front parking area in my house.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Geoff on June 27, 2015, 10:09:54 AM
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Some kind of scum sucking bottom feeder managed to get into my car last night and stole my sat nav from the glove box. In one way, that's not the worst of it. He/she/it did the dirty deed without breaking in. Now, I CAN say, for sure that the car was locked because it auto locks even if I forget to do it myself. If no keys are in the ignition and no one is in the vehicle all the doors lock automatically. I don't know what to do about that. Looks like someone has a key or knows how to pick the lock.
The local plod say it's unlikely anything can be done unless someone is caught in the act. I am assured that if I catch someone and 'deal with it' myself, I will likely end up in bigger trouble than they do.
Things are upside down!

I had one of them Auto Locking cars and I hated it, the car did not feel secure so from a new car to an older car that you push the button because I like to make sure all the doors are locked, i had a new renault and sometimes when you thought it was locked the boot was still not locked,I soon got shut of it.

Sorry about the loss of your stuff and yes anyone who steals off folks are total low life scum.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Newportnobby on June 27, 2015, 12:47:02 PM
Was the car at your home at the time, Allan?
If not, I hope you don't have 'Home' and the postcode listed under 'Favourites' or 'Recent destinations'
Far too often it has led tea leaves back to someone's house when they are not there :worried:
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2015, 12:54:42 PM
Right outside the house.....
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: woodbury22uk on June 27, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
Sorry to hear about this theft.

Three of my very close neighbours have had their high-end cars stolen from the driveway outside their homes. All were very new and believed to have been hacked electronically as they were part of a spate of such thefts locally.

My humble Focus lives in the garage when not being driven out on the road, but I hope nobody would want to steal it or its meagre contents.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Basinga on June 27, 2015, 01:11:32 PM
I had someone break into my car once. Well, I say break in, I was daft enough to leave it unlocked...
They took the £2.50 change I had in the mug holder, but worse than that, they went through my entire CD collection in my glove box... and left every single one of them dumped in the footwell... As far as I could tell, they didn't take any :uneasy:

Also on the note of sat-navs, I always set "home" to my town's closest supermarket carpark. Afterall, once the sat-nav has directed me close enough to home, I don't really need it to direct me to my driveway :p
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 01:14:12 PM
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
In one way, that's not the worst of it. He/she/it did the dirty deed without breaking in.
Sorry to hear of your tribulations Splod.
But in another way, trying to "look on the bright side of life" (/monty), in the olden days you would be needing to replace a broken window, or worse maybe a scratched door, as well as replacing the satnav.

Sorry, dont expect that does much to cheer you up !
I'm with Woodbury on this, little ol end-of-life bangers for everyday use that no one wants to even look inside let alone steal :)
A lot of the time I dont even bother to lock mine. (has the advantage that if you lose your key and it is raining you can still sit inside it whilst the domestic staff bring you the spare :) :) )

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: PaulCheffus on June 27, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on June 27, 2015, 01:14:12 PM
I'm with Woodbury on this, little ol end-of-life bangers for everyday use that no one wants to even look inside let alone steal :)
A lot of the time I dont even bother to lock mine. (has the advantage that if you lose your key and it is raining you can still sit inside it whilst the domestic staff bring you the spare :) :) )

Hi

So the majority of the population should never have anything nice because of the minority. That doesn't seem right to me.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: PaulCheffus on June 27, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
That doesn't seem right to me.
I agree, it is all wrong, but life can be like that at times.

Mind you I didnt say what I have as my special nice one and how I protect it ( as best I can) and how I never leave anything tempting in it if left alone for any length of time etc&etc ,  is that OK ?

edit ps I did say previously ol bangers for everyday
I dont use my Volvo for everyday shopping etc.

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: Basinga on June 27, 2015, 01:11:32 PM
As far as I could tell, they didn't take any :uneasy:
:laughabovepost:
That is adding insult to injury !
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Jon898 on June 27, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
Supposedly, some of the more enterprising thieves here in the US are learning to look for the octopus sucker marks left on your windscreen from the satnav suction cup mounting.  Don't know if that's reached the UK or whether it originated there.  Current police recommendation here is to wipe the glass off when you remove the satnav and also to reinsert the blank plug into the lighter socket.  Otherwise I guess you could go for one of those "universal" mounts that clip onto the vent grilles.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: The Cuckoo on June 27, 2015, 05:24:05 PM
Quote from: Jon898 on June 27, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
Supposedly, some of the more enterprising thieves here in the US are learning to look for the octopus sucker marks left on your windscreen from the satnav suction cup mounting.  Don't know if that's reached the UK or whether it originated there.  Current police recommendation here is to wipe the glass off when you remove the satnav and also to reinsert the blank plug into the lighter socket.  Otherwise I guess you could go for one of those "universal" mounts that clip onto the vent grilles.

Thieves using the window suction marks as an indication as to what may be in the car, this has been going on for quite a while here in the UK.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: joe cassidy on June 27, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Basinga on June 27, 2015, 01:11:32 PM
they went through my entire CD collection in my glove box... and left every single one of them dumped in the footwell... As far as I could tell, they didn't take any :uneasy:

The thief must have strange tastes in music  :D

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Newportnobby on June 27, 2015, 09:37:05 PM
Safer to put your best music in S Club 7 or Steps CD cases :-X
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
 :laughabovepost:

I see your SClub7 and raise you one Haydn.

Mark them Haydn symphonies, you have 104 to chose from ( or a few extra dependung upon your authority )
and better still - they really are Haydn symphonies , , , heheeeeheee heeerrum
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
I am assured that if I catch someone and 'deal with it' myself, I will likely end up in bigger trouble than they do.
Things are upside down!
They sure are,
but in the words of M.R.Davies they would say that wouldnt they.

I think it depends upon how you 'deal' with it,
if you approach the miscrant from afar with machete in hand whilst he is going about his business and threatening no one then you will be in deep do-do.
If however you say " Oi please desist" and he turns to you with what you perceive to be a threatening manner, either to your person or your nearby loved ones, then you can lay him low with your walking stick or whatever else is to hand.
(not an air rifle that is stashed somewhere in readiness ! )
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Malc on June 27, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
These days, even if you use a custard pie in the face, I bet you could be sued to within an inch of your savings.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: Malc on June 27, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
These days, even if you use a custard pie in the face, I bet you could be sued to within an inch of your savings.
:laughabovepost:
only if you used BirdsEye,
not for organic real egg custard Shirly ?
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Trainfish on June 28, 2015, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: Malc on June 27, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
These days, even if you use a custard pie in the face, I bet you could be sued to within an inch of your savings.

God help you if it''s past its best before date!
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: acko22 on June 28, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
Just remember 3 simple steps if you are going to challenge a thieving little  :censored:

1) Start with a verbal challenge
2) If you feel you can and its safe try to detain them (citizens arrest)
3) Then if they try to resist and if in YOUR honest belief they are a danger to you then you can use required force prevent that danger. JUST REMEMBER YOU CANT USE EXCESSIVE FORCE I.E STAB THE SCUM FOR SLAPPING YOU!!

We all have the integeral right to defend ourselves and our property
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 28, 2015, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: Trainfish on June 28, 2015, 12:28:00 AM
Quote from: Malc on June 27, 2015, 11:42:59 PM
These days, even if you use a custard pie in the face, I bet you could be sued to within an inch of your savings.

God help you if it''s past its best before date!
:laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:
nice one !
where is the clutching-sides emoticon

hahaaheee , ,

Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 28, 2015, 12:57:25 AM
Quote from: acko22 on June 28, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
(citizens arrest)
Even that is not as simple as 'twas in the days of Whatsit of Dock Green
be careful.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: dannyboy on June 28, 2015, 01:28:05 AM
Quote from: acko22 on June 28, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
then you can use required force
If I remember rightly, from my days as a 'plod', (a long, long time ago - cue a song?), you could use "as much force as was reasonably necessary under the circumstances". Only snag was, there was no definition of 'reasonable force', so, usually, it was up to the Courts to decide if the force used was 'necessary' and 'reasonable'. Nowadays,  it seems that you can not say "boo" to an offender in case you upset him,  :thumbsdown: :'( (or her - just to be PC  :)). David.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: acko22 on June 28, 2015, 01:37:02 AM
Reasonable force is so hard to define, but your understanding is spot on dan.
Thankfully the army will always back us if we have to use reasonable force
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Basinga on June 29, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: acko22 on June 28, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
if in YOUR honest belief they are a danger to you then you can use required force prevent that danger.

I'm getting flashbacks of the "beyond reasonable doubt" lectures...
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: woodbury22uk on July 09, 2015, 06:26:24 AM
Quote from: woodbury22uk on June 27, 2015, 12:57:16 PM

My humble Focus lives in the garage when not being driven out on the road, but I hope nobody would want to steal it or its meagre contents.

Did I speak too soon? Two evenings back my car remote key fob stopped working. However the non operational area is very small - about a 15 metre radius circle covering mine and my neighbour's driveways. It works fine everywhere else.

Although mine is a humble Ford Focus, my neighbour has a Focus ST which is apparently much more desirable. The ST has been away for two weeks having a collision damage repair, but when it arrived back last evening its remote did not work either. Both cars' remote key fobs operate on the same frequency. Both cars were secured deadlocked in garages overnight.

Just as a precaution I logged the issue with our local police force, and not many minutes later two traffic officers and a car burglary expert arrived!  Anyway a trap has been set if the would be thieves return for their frequency jammer. What they would want with my humble Focus is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: More thieving to report....
Post by: Sprintex on July 09, 2015, 07:07:53 AM
Your "humble Focus" is less conspicuous and much easier to shift on in a backstreet dealer or on Ebay than something sporty and more noticeable ;)


Paul