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Author Topic: DJ Models APT crowdfunding campaign  (Read 7837 times)

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2018, 12:36:52 pm »
Apparently fewer than 100 orders thus far. I think I'm surprised it's not more popular.  But maybe I'm not given the price.

To my mind, it's a bit of a 'niche' purchase. Compared to any other loco/dmu/emu/specialist rake there is probably a quite reduced number of people that would want one. The anticipated cost then reduces the number again.

Just my thoughts. That said, for those that DO want one, I really hope it succeeds.

Good luck.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2018, 06:19:19 pm »
I am not sure the price is the only issue - my problem is too many to choose from - I would go for a 14-car and another but which one?? No way can afford all so a bit bewildered. Sometimes choice is good and other times it is in fact off putting.... So still confused....

Apparently fewer than 100 orders thus far. I think I'm surprised it's not more popular.  But maybe I'm not given the price.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2018, 07:27:43 pm »
From the web page,  durhamtrainsofstanley :
 
To order the N Gauge APT-P click on the model you wish to purchase at the bottom of this page and enter your name and contact details.
When you get to the postage section just click on the store collect and this will reserve that model for you.
Providing we get to the target number you will be notified about any progress and deposits to take this forward.
The real thing will be scanned thanks to The Crewe Heritage Centres help in this project.
Any questions regarding the reserving of the model can be done as well by email to durhamtrainsofstanley@gmail.com
 Tel 01207 232545 ask for Mick for any questions.

DJM-APT-N-0002
5 car set (1 power car 49006) 
370006 & 370007 Black front window
£549.95    48106/48606/49006/48607/48107

DJM-APT-N-0001
6 car set (1 power car 49001)
370001 & 370005 Yellow front window
£599.95  48101/48201/48601/49001/48205/48105

DJM-APT-N-0003
7 car set (1 power 49006 1 dummy 49003 City of Derby)
370006 & 370003 Black front window
£649.95  48106/48606/49006/49003/48603/48203/48103

DJM-APT-N-0004
7 car set  ( 1 power 49004, 1 dummy 49002
370004 & 370002 Yellow front window
£649.95  48104/48604/49004/49002/48602/48202/48102

DJM-APT-N-0006
10 car set (1 working power car 49006 & 1 Dummy 49003 City of Derby)
370006 & 370003 Black front window
£799.95   48106/48206/48406/48606/49006/49003/48603/48403/48203/48103


DJM-APT-N-0007
14 car set (2 working power cars 49005 & 49002)
370005 & 370002  Black front window
£899.95   48105/48205/48405/48305/48505/48605/49005/49002/48602/48502/48302/
               48402/48202/48102

Well  To simplify its £550 for a N gauge version of the Iconic Hornby set.
The £600 option is typical of the test trains before and after the public workings and best short train option with one power vehicle
The 650 version is a 2 power car shorty
The £800 is a 10 car with two power vehicles- albeit one a dummy and this I wonder if a realistic option with build costs
The £900 "full fat" is the option every engineer wanted  but stretched the railway somewhat- doubling the crew costs straight away .

I would say "simples" but is not  but that is the basic choices , I would run the 10 car set with a two vehicle half train, two powers and a 6 car half train as that is how I remember them.  And in that formation I would suggest you order. It is just a bit longer than the Full fat HST formation.   

The exciting vehicle numbers given just show an attempt to cover more bases with the amazing variety of paint games on the driving ends - almost puts Tinsley depot to shame - thinks of 47145 with more embelishments every weekend!!

What you cannot get away from is the £100 per vehicle cost but this reflects the very small build that is going to happen and recover costs given the investors are not intentionally in the charity  business !  Web site does say payments in 4 parts which does reduce the pain but with the risk of losing money if project flounders but I would expect it to be returned if that were the case.  Dave might have a view on that or get the investors behind to make a statement on risks.

The biggest risk (apart from Trump/ Putin asI type) is that folk sit by and dream rather than invest. Please act is all I say.
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2018, 09:08:32 pm »
Thanks for pointing out the staged payments Robert.  I hadn't noticed that before and it has made committing to one palatable.   :thumbsup:

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #109 on: April 14, 2018, 10:39:17 am »
I think what would help the project further is introducing a payement plan so you can pay in 10 instances to reduce the burden in the wallet a bit.

I expressed interest for the big fat 14 car full version and hope it will take some time before they charge me as I currently have a heck of a lot on order from Rapido and RevolutioN.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #110 on: May 17, 2018, 12:36:05 pm »
 The Durham Trains of Stanley/DJModels proposal for an all-singing-all-dancing version has not attracted even 100 expressions of interest. On RMWeb (post #323) Dave Jones is proposing a much simpler version wthout the detailed interior, through wiring and other gizmos. This should pull the price down, and may attract enough punters for it to go into production. The 00 gauge one already has enough orders to proceed possibly because most people want a short train for the larger scale whereas most N interest was in a full length 14 car train. Be interested in whether this slimmed down specification can make the N version follow the 00 one. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/128477-n-gauge-crowdfunded-apt-p-warley-announcement/?p=3166655
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #111 on: May 17, 2018, 12:49:55 pm »
Thanks Mike, been meaning to update this thread with that info for a while!

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2018, 06:21:43 pm »
To me, the fundamental problem is that DJM have promised so much and not delivered most of it. J94, clayton, class 23, Q6, have all been promised for years and never reached fruition, that it's somewhat offputting to stump up money for an APT (which I would buy) at this stage.

Overpromised, underdelivered so far, I'm sorry to say.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2018, 08:11:21 pm »
I agree about the DJM credibility gap. DtoS were talking about Class 81-85 electrics and some AC powered EMUs, which probably go out with the bathwater if the APT-P in N does not make it.
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2018, 09:02:04 pm »
I ought to update the thread title really, there was a bit of a furore on rmweb about who the contract was with and itís all Dave, not really anything to do with DToS. Theyíre purely a hosting platform.

I do agree about the lack of projects from Dave add the 92, 74 and King to the list of things weíve not had!

Iíd still be very tempted by the Ďlightí version thatís being proposed if the price is right. That said the 92 is being stocked by RoS and Hattons at the same price as the crowdfunders can get, so Iím inclined to see if the same happens and Iíll pre-order from them then you donít need to pay upfront!

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #115 on: May 19, 2018, 09:19:31 pm »
I agree about the DJM credibility gap.
It would certainly be nice to see DJM finally produce a locomotive in N, but Dave has already delivered a number of locos in OO, so it's not as if these are all empty promises.

DtoS were talking about Class 81-85 electrics and some AC powered EMUs, which probably go out with the bathwater if the APT-P in N does not make it.
That would definitely be a shame. The APT is simply too expensive to interest me given its very limited usefulness, and probably quite a few other modellers out there felt the same way.

A single AC electric locomotive would surely be a lot cheaper, and if one of the longer-lived designs was picked, it'd be a lot more useful, too.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #116 on: May 19, 2018, 09:25:01 pm »
The problem of course is that squeezing a mechanism into a smaller N gauge chassis isnít easy. There have been criticisms levelled at his 71 in OO, so would be nice to have something more tangible. Particularly with a 14-car APT being powered by a single motor coach, as is the proposition.

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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #117 on: May 19, 2018, 10:01:34 pm »
The problem of course is that squeezing a mechanism into a smaller N gauge chassis isnít easy. There have been criticisms levelled at his 71 in OO, so would be nice to have something more tangible. Particularly with a 14-car APT being powered by a single motor coach, as is the proposition.

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This is my concern also.

We havenít seen a motorised N gauge vehicle from DJM and I am not sure a single motor will be able to shift the 14 car APT.

I would like this project to succeed but there are too many unknowns at the moment for me to have any confidence to put money in.

Cheers

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Re: DJModels/Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2018, 02:24:09 am »
I am less concerned about the traction capabilities of a heavy four axle power car with traction tyres on two axles. In 14 car form it would have to shift 13 unpowered vehicles, 18 unpowered bogies. A Kato Eurostar with the same power car configuration comfortably handles 19 unpowered vehicles with 24 unpowered bogies. OK there is the issue of specifying an adequate mimic of the Kato set-up, but there is space enough in an APT-P power car for plenty of weight, and space for decoder and speaker with no requirement for lights.
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Re: Durham Trains of Stanley APT crowdfunding campaign
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2018, 02:33:36 am »
I agree about the DJM credibility gap. DtoS were talking about Class 81-85 electrics and some AC powered EMUs, which probably go out with the bathwater if the APT-P in N does not make it.
And some of us don't give two hoots about the APT but do have cold hard cash ready for classic WCML AC electrics.
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