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Author Topic: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs  (Read 1732 times)

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Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« on: June 22, 2017, 03:51:53 pm »
Here's a suggestion for RevolutioN to follow on from their ground-breaking Pendolino. How about the new Class 800 and 801 trains (formerly known as the IEP) just entering testing on the GWML and ECML respectively? Once they enter fleet service they will be seen from Aberdeen to Penzance and will be delivered in GWR green and Viring red and white for starters. Here are some features that make them promising as a modelling proposition:

  • Geographically widespread: They will be used on both the GWML and ECML as well as their spur routes.
  • They are being built as 5 and 9-car sets which would suit modellers who have modest layouts as well as larger mainline ones.
  • They are being produced in both Electro-diesel and electric-only formats so would suit modellers who don't want to string up catenary.
  • Common bodyshell meaning that both EMU and DEMU variants can be accomodated with underfloor engine variations.
  • 2 distinctive liveries at launch.





@Ben A and @red_death death what do you think? Could this idea have mileage?
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 04:52:05 pm »

Hi Matt,

These are gorgeous looking trains IMO and I would love to do them but as you probably know Hornby are producing them in 00 and I suspect a more realistic prospect - at least in the shorter term - is that they consider producing them in their Arnold brand as a follow up to the Brighton Belle.

So far Hornby seem to have shown little appetite to produce any more in British N, but it may be worth lobbying them.

Cheers

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 05:44:30 pm »
Here's a suggestion for RevolutioN to follow on from their ground-breaking Pendolino. How about the new Class 800 and 801 trains (formerly known as the IEP) just entering testing on the GWML and ECML respectively? Once they enter fleet service they will be seen from Aberdeen to Penzance and will be delivered in GWR green and Viring red and white for starters. Here are some features that make them promising as a modelling proposition:

  • Geographically widespread: They will be used on both the GWML and ECML as well as their spur routes.
  • They are being built as 5 and 9-car sets which would suit modellers who have modest layouts as well as larger mainline ones.
  • They are being produced in both Electro-diesel and electric-only formats so would suit modellers who don't want to string up catenary.
  • Common bodyshell meaning that both EMU and DEMU variants can be accomodated with underfloor engine variations.
  • 2 distinctive liveries at launch.
And not forgetting the Class 802 variant (Electro Diesel with longer range fuel tanks than the Cl 800) which also brings Hull Trains  (from mid 2018) and Transpenine (2019) into the frame as well as extending the GWR geographic range into the West Country...

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 12:19:32 am »
I already want some of these!

(Personally, I doubt Hornby will do more in N).

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2017, 12:29:16 pm »
At Warley I asked Dapol if there was any chance of them looking into the class 800 and all they were able to come up with is that they tried but Hornby beat them.

Sad, but I think that Dapol could better try and come up with a decent FirstGW HST with proper neon lines as this clearly is something they don’t master yet. However, their upcoming pacer looks to be a much desired model and looks stunning and spot on.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2017, 01:04:18 pm »
At risk of going off tangentially the Dapol Dynamic Lines coaches are pretty good, although later batches (and buffets) aren't quite so crisp. I'm not quite sure either that or the Pacer are all that relevant to the 800s though. Presumably they were talking about OO gauge, rather than N anyway.

It's certainly an interesting prospect, I'm inclined to agree with Ben that it's one for the 'big boys' though.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 01:21:05 pm »
I was told by someone last weekend that the Azuma is something Kato are seriously looking at producing. I can't remember where he said he got his information from though.


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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2017, 01:29:31 pm »
Its not a mater of if but when and who makes them. 

The 800s are going to be the new HST and I have this from two of the three ROSCOs (the people who fund and own the trains in this country).

So there will be lots of users and lots of livery options for the next thirty years.

Kato already do a sister class of loco that could be modified by them, but is too big a change to hand modify.  Anyone want to try something on Shapeways?

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2017, 01:30:53 pm »
I was told by someone last weekend that the Azuma is something Kato are seriously looking at producing. I can't remember where he said he got his information from though.


Steven B.

Kato have been in the UK over the past week, and talked to Ben Ando at Warley, spying on the Pendolino.
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 01:33:28 pm »
I was told by someone last weekend that the Azuma is something Kato are seriously looking at producing. I can't remember where he said he got his information from though.


Steven B.

Kato have been in the UK over the past week, and talked to Ben Ando at Warley, spying on the Pendolino.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2017, 02:08:47 pm »
I was told by someone last weekend that the Azuma is something Kato are seriously looking at producing. I can't remember where he said he got his information from though.


Steven B.

Wouldn't that be to 1/160 or 1/158 though?

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2017, 02:11:04 pm »
Japanese N is 1:150, not quite the same, but far closer than continental prototypes. Would still equate to about 2cm discrepancy over the length of a 9 car unit.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2017, 02:53:10 pm »
Japanese N is 1:150, not quite the same, but far closer than continental prototypes. Would still equate to about 2cm discrepancy over the length of a 9 car unit.

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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 05:17:35 pm »
Though Kato built the Eurostar to European N Scale, 1:160.
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Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN Trains: Class 800 and 801 IEPs
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2017, 06:36:25 pm »
I would love to see Kato enter the UK market, with the 800-802 units being an obvious entry point (although the class  885 'white Sonic' units are of the same family as the class 395 (someone has converted one in the past)); however, it really don't think the volumes we could generate in the UK would justify it. If someone could convince them through the crowdfunding route, then that would be quite a coup.

To do that, you would at least need to demonstrate you could gather sufficient support for a model such as this, demonstrate you can work with a major manufacturer, making it worth their while...both in terms of sales and future initiatives.

I suspect if showing Kato-san the Pendolino and your relationship with Rapido doesn't do the trick, probably nothing will...

 

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