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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2017, 12:28:04 pm »
Does anybody have Cat.Nos. or links for Dynam/Artrain UIC-Ys or Lima / Arnold DEVs?
That would make web searches easier.
Before I found this forum my knowledge of SNCF coaching stock can have been written on a small postage stamp.
My profiency in the French language is even worse than my German language skills.


Pages 3-5 here give the current Artrain numbers. They are made by Transmondia. A are first class, B are second class, C are couchettes, and F are baggage cars.

http://transmondia-trains.com/FR~Nos_Fabrications
« Last Edit: July 11, 2017, 12:32:23 pm by woodbury22uk »
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 01:13:26 am »
Just to flesh out the problems with the Arnold UIC:

1) it is the wrong colour (horrible green nothing like the real thing)
2) it has the wrong bogies (Y16 (Pennsylvania type). UIC coaches mostly has Y24 (the Fleischmann type)
3) it has 'plain' windows (they should be 'metal rimmed' type windows)
4) there should be a little 'skirt' at all four lower corners of the bodyside (incorporating the end door steps)
5) It is a 9 window coach of 2nd class, when the model dates from a time when the 9 window 2nd class UIC coaches were still first class.
6) It carries a running number belonging to a 10 window UIC coach, so was clearly intended to represent a coach of the common 2nd class 10 window B10 type. So it is as bad as the 1967 LIMA DEV inox model which had 9 windows instead of 8.

even I as a dedicated SNCF N gauge modeller never wanted to own one - I just put up with other stock until the Dynam models became available.
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2017, 01:43:29 am »
Does anybody have Cat.Nos. or links for Dynam/Artrain UIC-Ys or Lima / Arnold DEVs?
That would make web searches easier.
Before I found this forum my knowledge of SNCF coaching stock can have been written on a small postage stamp.
My profiency in the French language is even worse than my German language skills.

You said you were modelling early 1970s Moselbahn, so you don't need a green/grey SNCF coach. Most would still have been all green at that time,

You don't necessarily need cat numbers. The following search phrase should pick up most stuff :

"SNCF voiture UIC echelle N"
german variation: "SNCF wagen UIC spur N"

into the above you can add 'Artrain' or 'Dynam' and see what you get

similarly for DEV try

"SNCF voiture DEV echelle N Lima"

you can add 'N Spur' and/or Arnold into the above phrase

Otherwise, you are looking for

Artrain UIC:
A101 (1st class)
B101 (2nd class)

Lima didn't do their 1980s model DEV in the correct livery for early 1970s (the livery even on their all green B8 was a late 1980s onwards livery.

REE DEV:
REE have done  (see earlier posts) the correct early 1970s (aka Epoch IVa)  livery  on their new DEV. you need catalogue  ref :
  NW-062 (pair of 2nd class B10 with different running numbers)
NW 063 (single 2nd B10 coach another different running number)
NW071 (pair one 1st class A8, one 2nd class B10)
NW072 (single 1st class A8)
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 06:09:08 am »
Thanks for the tip!
The Arnold coach was a bit of a shot in the dark, it's a good thing I didn't pay too much for it.
When my bank account has recovered from being mugged for the car insurance I'll do some more searching, better informed than before.
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2017, 01:51:26 am »
The more I think about this the more I don't recall SNCF coaches being very common on the Moselbahn. I wasn't quite old enough when I linesided the line in the early 1970s, although I have a few poor quality pictures from my first camera.

My recollection is that in that era SNCF sent its older stock on trains heading east!

I have found two photos and sure enough in both cases the trains included only a solitary SNCF coach (all the other coaches are standard DB Bm). In one it is a 'Metallique Est'  2nd/baggage, in the other it is an ex-PLM 'Rémetalisée Sud Est' B4D 2nd baggage

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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2017, 06:56:00 am »
Having checked the prices asked for old Dynam/Artrain stuff, Euro 140 per coach or thereabouts. Certainly not impressed by the specification for the money asked. The windows rendition looks a little crude. I'll take the REE option. Euro 60, or thereabouts, for a modern-spec model, is more normal these days, in my opinion. Not a cheap price, but that seems to be how things are going these days.

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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2018, 09:35:36 am »
Mintrix have announced 3 versions of the UIC Type Y coaches for 2018/2019 delivery. A9, A7D and B10 the former in Le Capitole livery, as well as more conventional colours.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40019.0


Mikadotrain REE have shown various UIC Type Y coaches at the St. Mandé exhibition this past weekend.

Some web info is available here:-

http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=85759


and here which includes a full list of the items announced so far.

http://le-forum-du-n.forumotions.net/t29146-nouveautes-mikadotrain-ree-st-mande-2018-voitures-uic-y


The full range of body types is included, so:-  A9, A7D, A4B5x, B10, B5Dd2

Adding the higher roof without ventilators will allow the B9c9x and A4c4B5c5x. If I recall correctly there were also some B9c9x couchettes with the low roof outline.

Transmondia/Artrain continue to promise DEV restaurant cars which have a similar outline and dimensions to the UIC Y style of coach.

The Mikadotrain REE cover 3 types also announced by Minitrix:- A9, A7D and B10.

The B5Dd2 has never been made before, but all the other window layouts were produced by Dynam, and all except the A4B5x (in day and couchette form) by Artrain after inheriting the Dynam tooling.

The Mikadotrain TEE versions are billed for May 2018 release. The absence of the A7D in the first batch of releases perhaps lends some credence to the possibility that Minitrix and Mikadotrain REE are co-operating on the UIC Y coaches.

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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2018, 01:01:37 pm »
The Fleischmann new items for 2018 include some long-in-the-tooth ex-DRG coaches.

867710 : set of 3 bogie coaches ex DR (1 composite 1st/2nd class, 2 x 2nd class), era III

See page 50 of the .pdf catalogue:-

http://www.fleischmann.de/uploads/news/Kataloge/20180116_FLM_Neuheitenkatalog_DE_WEB.pdf

They carry a version of the  "period" Banania advertisement which might not be entirely "politically correct" in the 2010s, having gone the way of the Robertsons' jam symbol of the time.
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 11:52:55 am »
The Fleischmann new items for 2018 include some long-in-the-tooth ex-DRG coaches.


My comment also copied from the Fleischmann new items thread:

Thumbs down / :sleep: / :unimpressed:

1) another re-issue of a Frenchified German steam loco (SNCF 232TC - aka DRG 78).
If Fleischmann had  channeled all the time, effort and money that they have spent over 40+ years producing Frenchified German locos to 'satisfy' the French market for an N gauge steam loco  into producing an SNCF 141R or other popular SNCF steam type they would have cornered the market!

2) ditto the Reichsbahn coaches - questionable how many more models of Frenchified DRG coaches the market can sustain.


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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 12:32:50 pm »

If I recall correctly there were also some B9c9x couchettes with the low roof outline.

Correct.

The first 78 built from 1964 had the low roof. I have the green Dynam / Artrain version.


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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2018, 04:24:03 pm »
The Lemke Hobbytrain new items for 2018 include 2 three car sets of teak bodied CIWL coaches billed as part of the Calais-Mediterranean (Italy) Express.

- H22102 : Set CIWL "Calais-Mediterranean", 3 teak coaches, one 3 axle baggage van and two bogie sleeping cars. Era I
- H22103 : Set CIWL "Calais-Mediterranean", 3 teak coaches, one 3 axle baggage van, one bogie sleeping car, and one bogie restaurant car. Era I
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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2018, 03:16:39 pm »
The Mikadotrain TEE versions are billed for May 2018 release. The absence of the A7D in the first batch of releases perhaps lends some credence to the possibility that Minitrix and Mikadotrain REE are co-operating on the UIC Y coaches.

Minitrix and REE have stated that the UIC cars are their own designs and no co-operation between the two.
Maybe the Minitrix announcement was a much needed kick in the backside for the French producers. Transmondia has shown a sample of the Vru in 2015 (!) and it is still nowhere near release. :sleep:

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Re: SNCF coaches in N gauge
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2018, 01:07:21 am »

Maybe the Minitrix announcement was a much needed kick in the backside for the French producers.

No I don't think so. It is more REE responding to the requests of French N gaugers - based on swell of opinion, mainly through the AFAN and Forum du N. REE has gradually been introducing items that fill the market need for French 'Nistes'

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