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Author Topic: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series  (Read 9584 times)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #135 on: June 02, 2017, 08:33:30 am »
Hi daffy,

Your link to MSL shows 133 euros to me.


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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #136 on: June 02, 2017, 09:07:43 am »
 :hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:

Now that's just strange. :confused1: Here's a screen shot I've just taken of the page I get:




Could somebody post a link to the page they get at MSL showing €133 then I can ask MSL why I get what I do.

Edit at 9:30 - A screenshot would be better as I can send MSL both.
Is this a VAT thing, as my screenshot shows VAT inclusive and VAT at 20% on €133.00 gives a total of €159.60 - a close match to what I see. :hmmm:


Most perplexing.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2017, 09:30:19 am by daffy »
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #137 on: June 02, 2017, 12:18:14 pm »
I am certain this has to do with the tax - maybe if a non-EU IP address is detected then the price without VAT is shown? €133.61 would be the deducted price for €159.00 without the 19% German VAT.
Am I the only one having trouble with the (basic) search function at Lippe? Searching for "Kato Ge" or "Kato 4/4" or "Kato RhB" didn't find anything. ::)  (The article number worked.)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #138 on: June 02, 2017, 12:28:26 pm »
I would agree Hiawatha if Gordon and Weave are accessing from outside the EU, though I'm not sure they are. Do you get the €159.00 price then?

I've sent an email to MSL and will detail their reply when I get it.

As for searching, I find it very precise, in that you have to put in the search term MSL recognises, which is not always the right one! For instance, it will find "Kato Rhb" but not "Kato RhB".

I have taken to searching by Gauge and then a wider term, like Kato, or SBB, or whatever and even then I often find things not so listed by accident. I think their search system needs improving, though I enjoy turning up the oddities.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2017, 12:31:56 pm by daffy »
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #139 on: June 02, 2017, 12:44:02 pm »
Here you go: I'm getting the offering for Net export price not VAT incl.

This is from what should be recognised as a UK IP address



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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #140 on: June 02, 2017, 12:49:42 pm »
Thanks Nick. :thumbsup:

That does seem to explain it, though just why they should show that to,a UK IP remains a mystery. Perhaps when they answer my query we'll have an answer.

One of my bugbears is price comparisons where VAT is or is not included. Easy to get led down a garden path until you delve a little deeper.
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #141 on: June 02, 2017, 01:06:42 pm »
That does seem to explain it, though just why they should show that to,a UK IP remains a mystery. Perhaps when they answer my query we'll have an answer.

It depends on whether the IP address the website is genuinely a UK IP address and whether the website has access to a database that recognises it as such.

I know from our website that geolocation via IP address can be really hit and miss.  The surest solution is if the website knows who you are (eg via a cookie) and which you country you live in if you have an account, but that doesn't help if you use a different device or the cookie expires (or is blocked) etc.

It is annoying for both the user and shop owner!

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #142 on: June 02, 2017, 01:18:01 pm »
I also found MSL search utterly useless!

Having found the loco I also get €133, and when I go to my shopping basket it says:

Quote
ATTENTION!
The prices indicated here do not include VAT.

I agree with Mike it's annoying, but they're trying to be too clever, most (larger) webshops have a simple "where are you" flag which will define if VAT is included or not.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #143 on: June 02, 2017, 02:30:23 pm »
I guess reading the small print is just as important as it always was, but I agree they could make it simpler. After all, their main buyers will not be 'trade', as at places like Screwfix where it is commonplace to see ex-VAT prices, but as Mike points out, knowing where your prospective buyer resides is not straightforward or even possible unless you log in to an account or otherwise reveal your location. They should at least make the price indication more obvious - incl VAT or export price. At the moment it's, well, small print! :D

When logged in or not MSL obviously recognise my location accurately, so at least for me the prices are inclusive of VAT and I don't get any unwanted surprises.

Of course now I'm sulking cos I would have loved to buy a Ge 4/4 for only €133.00 inclusive of VAT.  :)
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #144 on: June 02, 2017, 03:03:19 pm »
It's not small print to be fair, but it's only there when you get to the shopping basket, when it's in big bold lettering at the top. As some see the with VAT price then the bigger issue I think is that they're trying to infer people's location from the IP address, which demonstrably doesn't work!

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #145 on: June 02, 2017, 03:50:48 pm »
It's small-ish print on the item page, right at the bottom of each price panel: either says "Net export price plus packing and shipping"  or "Incl. VAT, excl. packing and shipping". Easily overlooked.

Nice to know you get the big warning before you hit the pay button though.
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #146 on: June 03, 2017, 12:34:08 pm »
Reply from MSL this morning:


"If you incorrectly display US Dollar Net Travel, it may be because your browser is sending an incorrect language or country
name ("en-US").

You can resolve this issue by invoking the following URL:

http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/home/setdefaultprice.asp

This page uses a cookie which overrides the change of prices.

Best Regards

Thomas Schmitz"

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So that's that clarified. ;)



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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #147 on: June 03, 2017, 01:37:28 pm »
At home, trying the link with different browsers on the same (UK based and UK configured) Win10 PC:

Internet Explorer results in 159 Euros
Edge results in 159 Euros
Chrome results in 133 Euros

Interesting, maybe Chrome isn't sending quite the same browser agent info?   I use IE by default at home, but I use Chrome at work (where it also showed 133 euros)
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #148 on: June 05, 2017, 12:47:14 am »
It's not bizarre, it's that you're displaying an ex-VAT price, as discussed. Clicking your link I see €159. Whether you see €133 or €159 you will pay €159 once you get to the checkout, so it's a moot point.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #149 on: July 04, 2017, 05:12:42 pm »
Picking up the earlier post by metroman64, here's my take on the same shapeways ABE 4/4 III (A/K models):




plus the Ge 4/4 II from A/K models:



and a fleischmann industrial in mock RhB-ish mode: (with working head/tail lights at both ends)
 




Now have another ABe 4/4 in the pipeline (they seem to come in pairs?), plus a Ge 4/4 I and Gem 4/4 from TT Trams on shapeways.

(PS my first post on this forum)

 

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