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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #375 on: March 08, 2018, 11:35:01 pm »
The short answer is "because the man in Beatties in Kingston Upon Thames let me buy 2 curved points and some curves of either 2nd or 3rd radius, when what he should have sold me were some normal points, the return curves and a few straights"

But the truth was he prefered to just fleece a ten year old of his christmas money rather than give advice. Thats what OO scale is all about. Fleecing children.

This is how it should have happened

Me: Can I have these things please?
Mr Shyster: Oooh did you get a trainset for christmas? Which one?
Me: Yes I got the R.790 Inter City set
Mr Shyster: With that set, I'm not sure what you're buying will work very well. Lets go through the catalogue and see what you're trying to do
Me Ok then- Ok then I can probably draw what I want.  it I'm good at drawing!
Mr Shyster: Ah you see the curved points need extra sections to fit together and the curves don't really match up anyway.
Me: Oh (dissappointed)
Mr Shyster: But not to worry, these normal points are the right ones- and they cost less too- you can buy some more straight track
Me: Thank you Mr Shyster!

But instead, Mr Shyster lived up to his name, and i spent all my christmas money on track that I didnt want to use.
So naturally I have hated OO trains ever since.

Having experienced Beatties, but thankfully not as a ten year old, I can appreciate this, But my experience with them was not that they were shysters just that they knew hee-haw about the goods they were selling. (Buy this one, I don't know what it is but its more expensive that the other one!) It was little surprise to me when they went belly up! I don't think I ever bought much in Beatties. Any simple enquiry was usually met with a blank look and an attempt to convince you that what they were holding was what you wanted. I've often criticised 'Modelzone' but at least the staff had some idea of what they were doing. Only thing Beatties were good for was EFE 'seconds' for repaints and Conversions.

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #376 on: March 09, 2018, 12:59:50 am »
Was  the Beatties shop in Glasgow the same premises as  Maplins
who have also gone belly up ?

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #377 on: March 09, 2018, 02:02:23 am »
The short answer is "because the man in Beatties in Kingston Upon Thames let me buy 2 curved points and some curves of either 2nd or 3rd radius, when what he should have sold me were some normal points, the return curves and a few straights"

But the truth was he prefered to just fleece a ten year old of his christmas money rather than give advice. Thats what OO scale is all about. Fleecing children.

This is how it should have happened

Me: Can I have these things please?
Mr Shyster: Oooh did you get a trainset for christmas? Which one?
Me: Yes I got the R.790 Inter City set
Mr Shyster: With that set, I'm not sure what you're buying will work very well. Lets go through the catalogue and see what you're trying to do
Me Ok then- Ok then I can probably draw what I want.  it I'm good at drawing!
Mr Shyster: Ah you see the curved points need extra sections to fit together and the curves don't really match up anyway.
Me: Oh (dissappointed)
Mr Shyster: But not to worry, these normal points are the right ones- and they cost less too- you can buy some more straight track
Me: Thank you Mr Shyster!

But instead, Mr Shyster lived up to his name, and i spent all my christmas money on track that I didnt want to use.
So naturally I have hated OO trains ever since.

Having experienced Beatties, but thankfully not as a ten year old, I can appreciate this, But my experience with them was not that they were shysters just that they knew hee-haw about the goods they were selling. (Buy this one, I don't know what it is but its more expensive that the other one!) It was little surprise to me when they went belly up! I don't think I ever bought much in Beatties. Any simple enquiry was usually met with a blank look and an attempt to convince you that what they were holding was what you wanted. I've often criticised 'Modelzone' but at least the staff had some idea of what they were doing. Only thing Beatties were good for was EFE 'seconds' for repaints and Conversions.

Oh I know that now, but this all happened in 1980, well probably January 1981- I'm pretty sure I picked up the Hornby catalogue that had the live steam rocket.

But I digress, yes I know that now, and I don't really think the saturday staff were crooks, but its a first impression of the world of buying model railway equipment.

On the other hand, it was 1980(or 81) and in those days a Hornby was still a big deal and Beatties had almost a whole floor devoted to the stuff, so one might expect at least an eyebrow raise, maybe not.

I ought to have gone to Richards in Wimbledon- a lovely independent toyshop where I used to buy scalextric stuff (that was my passion at the time)- the lady there would natter away very knowledgably about such things as Goodwood chicanes and Dunlop bridges!

At any rate, perhaps Mr Shyster at Beatties wasn't the only reason I didn't maintain a model railway at home. The Hornby set wasn't very good, and I knew enough about electronics (through scalextrics) to know it wasn't very good. Ok not as consistently reliable. The power pack was remarkably lightweight, providing a trickle of juice to the track.

I realised very quickly that a Hornby was expensive, tempremental and took up a lot of space. Even a friend of mine with double track laid on a baseboard found it difficult to keep the trains chugging along. And this was with a lot of fatherly help. Most of our dads were into electronics and they all seemed to have soldering irons and god knows what else.

Friends with N gauge seemed to have none of these problems, and in those days when kids did have trains, I remember 3 of them having n gauge layouts. I was much more excited by these tiny trains racing around their hairpin radii. But I persisted with OO not at home but the school had a layout- which worked!- and once a week some of us would give our locos a runnaround.

But I thought if i ever was going to have a railway it was going to be N.
running in is so you get used to the noise, oops, to bed the gears down properly

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #378 on: March 09, 2018, 02:07:41 pm »
Was  the Beatties shop in Glasgow the same premises as  Maplins
who have also gone belly up ?

Yes. St Enoch square.

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #379 on: March 09, 2018, 02:21:04 pm »
My recollections of Beatties was a big toyshop. If you asked for anything remotely exotic all you got was a blank stare. The first time I ever went in was when I was converting my 4mm layout to code 75. Ask for Code 75 medium radius points comes back with code 100. "No, I want code 75, the stuff in the YELLOW boxes" Blank stare. "They don't come in yellow boxes." "Code 75 does."  "Do you not want these then?" "No, I want code 75, the ones in the yellow boxes." "They don't come in Yellow boxes" No sale! When Beatties were in Glasgow there was a decent model shop on Bell street, D&F models. and in Paisley there was the not quite so good MacKay Models. I don't even remember them selling any 'N' scale stuff. If they did it would be at full RRP prices. To be honest Hamleys who are now in the St Enoch Centre across the square are as good as Beatties ever were. Sadly we don't have one model shop left in Glasgow who sell model trains. Wildcat models in Partick do a small range. and I think Pastimes up at St Georges Cross also have some model trains. Changed days from when I could spend a saturday morning going around the Glasgow model shops

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #380 on: March 09, 2018, 03:35:38 pm »
@violets49
Without knowing how far away you are, are these folks worth a look?

http://www.uddingstonmodelcentre.com/Railways-/-Trainsets/C8-1-0.htm

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #381 on: March 09, 2018, 03:58:17 pm »
If you mean Wildcat and Pastimes. Frankly no. Wildcat are primarily a plastic model kit dealer. They are good for paints and tools. Also do Metcalf kits and some Peco stuff. Any RTR model Rail stuff tends to be on the expensive side. AS for pastimes I'd rather not comment! Lets Just say they don't have a good reputation in the West of Scotland. The last 'real' model Rarilway shop in Glasgow was 'Waddels Models' which was in the old 'D&F' shop in Bell street but he closed down about a year ago.

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #382 on: March 09, 2018, 04:05:59 pm »
 :sorrysign: Sorry, I missed the link (And the point) of your message. Never heard of Uddingston model cnetre but I pass through Uddingston by train every Wednesday going to Bellshill so I my check this out when the weather gets better! I have a friend who lives in Uddingston I ask her where this place is.

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #383 on: March 09, 2018, 04:44:58 pm »
Mackay Models in Paisley sold Fleischmann N stuff at top dollar prices.
Not sure what's wrong with Pastimes, I've had a few items from them
and can't complain. Best bet in Central Scotland is Harburn Hobbies
in Edinburgh, not too cheap , but a good range and very friendly
people .

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #384 on: March 09, 2018, 06:52:38 pm »
Mackay Models in Paisley sold Fleischmann N stuff at top dollar prices.
Not sure what's wrong with Pastimes, I've had a few items from them
and can't complain. Best bet in Central Scotland is Harburn Hobbies
in Edinburgh, not too cheap , but a good range and very friendly
people .

I couldn't agree more!  The last time I was in, I was served by a chap who is a very enthusiastic British 'N' Gauge modeller.  If you could imagine the polar opposite of the Beatties' Kingston branch reported above, this was it.  With regard to prices, a 'real' model shop must find it hard to compete with the big mail order specialists.  I actually make a point of paying more for some items at Harburn and paying for the train fare to get there.

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Re: Why Did You Choose to Model N Gauge?.
« Reply #385 on: March 09, 2018, 08:30:43 pm »
MacKay Models have been closed for many years. Indeed, their former shop has, for a good many years returned to its original use as the back (Old Sneddon) entrance to Paisley Gilmore Street Station. They had a place in the Anchor Mill business Centre but I was never in it. This remained open for a while after Mr MacKay passes away but then closed after. I believe a dispute between Mr MacKay's Widow and the two chaps who were running the shop for her.
There was another shop in Paisley which traded briefly but closed as the proprietor was a serving policeman and the rules changed regarding police officers operating a business. so the shop closed.
Regarding Pastimes, They don't have a good reputation among the modelling fraternity in the West of Scotland. My own experiences with them have been mixed.
Appart form the February show in the SECC, I seldom use Harburn. They are an Edinburgh shop who charge Edinburgh prices. Where I live, it would be cheaper to take the train to Carlisle than travel to Edinburgh.

 

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