Wcml consists

[davidinyork]

You need to get a hold of Natalie Jones article on WCML Passenger Train Formations 1986/1987, it is worth reading

If the enquirer joins the BR Coaching Stock Yahoo group, that file is available in their downloads section - and it should provide all the information required.

Is a BFO really needed, given the hassle of making an accurate one? A TGS doesn't have buffers so although it can be modified, it's probably quite a bit of work to get it accurate, especially given that there are only three of these coaches so most trains wouldn't have one anyway.

[crewearpley40]

should have thought of that

[crewearpley40]

example of :

http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/mostyn/nwcm1977.pdf
London Midland Passenger Train Marshalling Circular

[njee20]

I would use a TF rather than a TGS - you've got to fill a window regardless, it's just smaller on the TGS, but you've not got buffers on a TGS (even Dapol got that right!).

[westie7]

You need a TGS for the BFO for the extra doors at the guards end. If you can get a cheap Dapol FO/SO with buffers just swap the underframe. Then fill in and cut out new windows, check photos and watch spacing. I'll dig out my OO one later and take a photo

A bit of Bashing in OO but shows the principle

[davidinyork]

You need a TGS for the BFO for the extra doors at the guards end. If you can get a cheap Dapol FO/SO with buffers just swap the underframe. Then fill in and cut out new windows, check photos and watch spacing. I'll dig out my OO one later and take a photo

Plus it should have a first-class interior - so interior and underframe from a loco-hauled FO, and modified bodyshell from a HST TGS.

[westie7]

And if Ive managed to upload photos successfully the post above should have some pictures.

Do I not like Photobucket 

[crewearpley40]

also I remembered the 1980s Manchester Pullmans

28 July 1980, Manchester
Pullman arriving: 86239 + 582, 552, 546, 540, 500, 533, 583 at Piccadilly as this had failed
86258 + 5959, 12120, 12107, 12089, 12126, 1559, 11021, 3439, 3371, 11028, 81604

28 Feb 1980, London
Pullman: 85015 + 81364, 586, 504, 550, 551, 502, 544, 581. Manchester

87001 + 81534, 3366, 11033, 11022, 3318, 1560, 12038, 12143, 12071, 12129, 12154.

87011 + 81459, 3429, 3356, 3370, 3299, 1751, 6150, 5914, 5989, 5956, 5426, 81165. (5426 non air con, and a BG at each end)

87002 + 5811, 6163, 5958, 6006, 5944, 10012, 3437, 3359, 13481, 81443. (a Manchester train)

On the West Coast, mark 2 rakes were typically nine carriages in length, and in late Intercity and early Virgin days utilised a mark 3 catering vehicle in their formation. They were typically formed of 5 x Mark 2 TSOs, a mark 3 RFM vehicle, and 3 x Mark 2 FOs, with a DVT at the London end, adjacent to the first class accommodation


In general, the West Coast mark 2 rakes were kept largely to the shorter distance services, such as Euston to Birmingham (A notable stronghold of the mark 2 rakes) and Manchester. The West Coast class 86s were also limited principally to these shorter distance services, although 87s, and presumably an occasional 90, could also turn up at New Street.


depends which section your interested in on whether its your rule 1 choice, prototypical / freelance etc

[westie7]

Heres another source

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/albums/

Check the albums for 86, 87, DVT, Coventry, Heamies Farm, Swindon , Tamworth

Plenty of Transitional Livery formations

[crewearpley40]

more info this link

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30939.0

[Adam1701D]

Or you could use a Farish Mk3 and Electra vinyls for a BFO, available in all liveries including InterCity, Virgin and GWR :-)