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All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« on: October 08, 2017, 06:59:19 pm »
I am using KATO track and have a Bachman EZ controller.

I have 5 electric points and 4 terminal uni joiners and I am wondering how it all fits together!

Now points levers will go into the DC converter. How does the DC converter plug into my controller?

Next question is before I had a red lead for to electrify the track one end had like a AUX lead to the controller the other obviously connects to the track. How do I wire up *4 terminal uni joiners to the controller?

Sorry for the basic question, but I have got the gear and no idea how to wire this all up, thank  :thankyousign:

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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2017, 07:14:37 pm »
I do not have time to look at the moment but if you go to

www.traintrax.co.uk

you should be able to find all you need. And if you need to, you can always send an email to Keith at traintrax - he is quite a helpful fellow and an advertiser on the forum. (Just a satisfied customer).  :beers:
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2017, 07:46:42 pm »
Basically the point levers clip together and 12v are applied to the two terminals. The wires from the levers go to the points. I use a 12v plug top power supply to feed the points. The unijoiner leads want joining together and feeding from the EZ controller. I use chocolate blocks . Make sure the red wires are on the same rail.
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 08:41:21 pm »
Ok I get the points they all nicely fit together. However I am stuck as I will have the two bare wires from the DC conveter - where does that go?

Then  I have the plugs from each terminal unijoiners - I don't understand where these go and how a chocolate block can fix this.

sorry im sure to someone who knows this is obvious, thanks very much for the help

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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 09:04:37 pm »
You say you have a "Bachmann EZ controller" - do you mean the EZ Command DCC controller?

I don't think the EZ-Command has an auxiliary output to power your Kato points, in which case you will need a separate power supply of around 12-15V ac. The Kato DC converter will connect to this.

The track power feeds will need to connect to the jack plug that plugs into the socket labelled "to track" on the EZ Command.  I've never owned an EZ Command but I assume it comes with a wire and jack plug, so you'll need to join your Kato track power feed wires to the other end of the wire with the jack plug.  If you have more than one pair of power feeds, it will be important to make sure that all the wires for the same rail are joined together to the same wire going into the EZ Command.  This will depend on your track plan and how your power feeds are arranged.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2017, 09:05:44 pm by ntpntpntp »
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 09:14:45 pm »
This - http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24827-3way-extension-cord-p-329.html
will allow you to connect more than one track connector to a single output. Cut the plug off and use choc blocks to connect to the EZ controller. As regards the points, I have done away with the Kato switches and use small DPDT (double pole double throw) switches wired through a separate 12v DC supply.

Addit: These are the switches
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/This-DPDT-ON-OFF-ON-toggle-switch-miniature-is-pre-wired-as-a-changeover/282669008060?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46150%26meid%3D66c861d028ca4bdab8bbe6471bef3859%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D282610393529&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850
(some link!).
« Last Edit: October 08, 2017, 09:18:13 pm by dannyboy, Reason: added link »
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 10:46:41 pm »
Use the Kato  switches they are fine,

The little converter box produces 12v DC from a 16v AC supply ( another transformer). It plugs into the side of the block of points switches. - use a rubber band to hold it all together!!

You do not need to connect anything to the DCC controller except the wires from the track.

The terminal unijoiners replace a pair of track unijoiners and supply power to the track. Presume these are the ones

http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24818-terminal-unijoiner-p-326.html

Use a small screwdriver between the end of the unijoiners Andy the slot in the track  and it will pop out and can be replaced by the connected one.

 The 3into 1  one connector  is a good investment.

Make sure the outer tracks have the same colour wire connected.

A simple track diagram would help us??
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2017, 01:06:42 pm »
Thanks so I need another transformer - where can I buy this from?

I will purchase a 3 in 1 connector.

Then i think I can install the unijoiners to the track. The only issue I am confused about is my EZ Command has one aux jack 'to track' how to I connect this to my 4 terminal unijoiners?!

I will send a layout in due course if needed help illustrate this.

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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2017, 04:33:44 pm »

Then i think I can install the unijoiners to the track. The only issue I am confused about is my EZ Command has one aux jack 'to track' how to I connect this to my 4 terminal unijoiners?!


This is why we're suggesting using choc-blocks to group the wires to gether and join to the cable that plugs into the EZ-Command.    As we've mentioned in earlier posts, it will be vitally important to make sure that you connect up your multiple wires rail-for-rail otherwise you'll most likely get a short ciruit.

Posting a plan of your design will help immensely, as folk will be able to understand/recommend exactly where you need to connect your track feed wires  and probably annotate the diagram for you. 

Do the Kato terminal joiners come in two colours - red & black or blue & white for example?  Someone could then annotate with the colours so that you just join up all the reds and all the blacks, (or all the blues and all the whites)
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2017, 04:46:59 pm »
Ahh ok I get this now so I use the choc block to group the wires so 4 of one colour into one side then the 4 of the other colour into another. OK I get this now!!

Sorry newbie issue and I  understand the reason behind the 3 in 1 now. I will post up a track diagram tonight and what I think I need to purchase to get this thing wired up...

Thanks again everyone and sorry it took me a while to get my head around the chocolate blocks :)

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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 09:51:31 pm »
OK here is my layout...



So I guess I need;
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24827-3way-extension-cord-p-329.html
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24840-turnout-control-switch-p-332.html * 5


I have 4*Unijoiners, DC Converter, Choc block, track, points and EZ controller of course!

The only thing I need is the transformer?





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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2017, 10:10:46 pm »
Possibly need a few isolating unijoiners, eg. between the two points of the crossover and at 2 or 3 other places, but I'm not familiar enough with Kato points to be 100% sure. It depends whether or not the Kato points act as "live frog" points and if the frog power extends to rail immediately beyond the frog piece? Hopefully someone more familiar with Unitrack layouts can advise?
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2017, 10:24:06 pm »
OK here is my layout...



So I guess I need;
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24827-3way-extension-cord-p-329.html
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24840-turnout-control-switch-p-332.html * 5


I have 4*Unijoiners, DC Converter, Choc block, track, points and EZ controller of course!

The only thing I need is the transformer?


the 5 point switches will connect to the 5 points, and the AC conconvertor will connect to the PSU, such as this:

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=GMC-WM1&r=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaugemaster-GM-GMC-WM3-Supply-Mounted-Transformer/dp/B0196GBCHI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1507583797&sr=8-1&keywords=16v+ac+transformer

seem suitable

you have 3x #4 points (power switching out of the box) , and 2x #6 point (top & middle) not power switching) so set it up and plug it in and it will work! only 2 siding ( centrtal one & top) will be powered all the time - others will be powered when you operate the point.

see UNitrack hints

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?board=131.0

the 2 plugs from the power leads ( connected to unijoiners) connect to the 3 in 1 via the pre-fitted plugs ( they do have plugs fitted? if not use connector block) , and you can cut the plug off the 3-1 ( leave it with 2-3" of cable - it will be useful) and connect the two wires to your DCC controller.

why not connect the power first, then try one point at a time  to understand how it works? you can switch the points manually to see if power is/is not connected to the siding.

can this be any clearer without a domiciliary visit? ??

tell us / mark diagram to suggest where you want to put the power connectors.

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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2017, 10:39:40 pm »
OK here is my layout...



So I guess I need;
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24827-3way-extension-cord-p-329.html
http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24840-turnout-control-switch-p-332.html * 5


I have 4*Unijoiners, DC Converter, Choc block, track, points and EZ controller of course!

do you mean these??

http://www.traintrax.co.uk/24818-terminal-unijoiner-p-326.html

The only thing I need is the transformer?


please confirm which points are #4 or #6??

20-202/3Electric Turnout, (#6)

20-220/1 Ele. Turnout, (#4)

http://www.traintrax.co.uk/unitrack-gauge-ground-level-points-crossings-c-28_3.html

is there a local dealer or club who could help?? or even the dealer who sold you the kit?

http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/
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Re: All the gear no idea - Electric connections
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2017, 10:55:50 pm »
Great Im going to give this baby a go! Thanks for the help.

Ill get the power on the track now and sort the points later. thanks for your help everyone :)

 

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