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Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« on: September 14, 2017, 09:28:07 am »
Hey all. I have a question around the colours on this. As you can see in the picture it's darker blue the the other regional railways liveries I see. Is this correct? What's the story here?


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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 09:57:27 am »
Is one UK Farish old school aka pre 1998? that would explain the colour variations



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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 10:05:15 am »
Hi
Well to my eyes the darker ble is "right" but the real blue faded quite quickly. The other coach is reading towards the lighter blue of early NSE but in isolation is fine.  It is the problem of changes in paint specs as models are renewed.

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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 10:09:56 am »
I think Only Me has nailed it.... look at these pre 1998 blood and custards!

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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 11:52:14 am »
I've written a short article for the NGS mag on "The wrong yellow" after seeing a Network Rail test train with two different renditions of yellow over four coaches. The colours did differ in reality as well as from model manufacturers, who can change the colour between batches as well as have different ideas of what a shade should look like.

Dapol went through a phase of its Brunswick green getting lighter from every batch produced, and that was supposedly because the colour was mixed in China at the factory from a previous model rather than from a definitive specification, and got slightly lighter every batch.

Here are the real life Network yellows.

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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 01:29:38 pm »
Well as ever colour is emotive and practical...

There are five shades of warning panel yellow available in the NR group standard spec along with sunshine yellow The picture shows  1, 3,4 in sunshine and 2 and 5 in golden yellow ...

Who would be a manufacturer, and quoting BS numbers to china is a bit like me ordering a takeway... Ral and pantone  numbers better  and then scale and temperature of colour add to the "mix"...
Happy modelling
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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 01:36:32 pm »
You learn something every day. I had no idea five yellows were available.
But I am correct in saying there are only four coaches!
Bob


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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 07:57:30 am »
I don't know whether the NEA is meant to be the original Provincial livery or Regional Railways, but my understanding is that either way, the colours were the same except for the lower grey. On the original Provincial livery (as used with 'Trans-Pennine' branding from the mid-1980s to around 1991, including on 47475) it was InterCity beige, but on the Regional Railways version was a crisper looking light grey as also used on DMUs in the same livery.

Slight differences in colour among rakes of coaches can be good, as they did of course fade in time, as well as the odd genuine colour variation.

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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 09:34:53 am »
I don't know whether the NEA is meant to be the original Provincial livery or Regional Railways
It is supposed to be the later Regional Railways (not Trans-Pennine) livery

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Re: Grafar regional railways NEA full brake
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 09:35:37 am »
I don't know whether the NEA is meant to be the original Provincial livery or Regional Railways
It is supposed to be the later Regional Railways (not Trans-Pennine) livery, from memory the silver grey

 

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