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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2017, 10:09:56 pm »
Thanks Alan for your input, sounds like I have bought the correct ones then, most pics seem to show the early emblem, its hard to tell with the angle of the pics plus they look dirty. The loco of the number I am using is from Trafford Park Manchester, and was actually withdrawn in 1960 so it will be ok for me. I have pics in a book of loco's seen in the Bury area, unfortunately the only 3F's were actually old class 27 L & Y engines, lots of 4F's and 2Mt's. There is a pic of a immaculate 2mt taken in 1957 with its early emblem, unfortunately the 4fs etc you could not tell from the pics what emblem they had. A bit of modelers licence Is called for I think, thanks again. Thanks for the tip of looking on Flickr I will look on there too.
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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2017, 11:46:54 pm »
I have made a start on my 3F, not sure if to replace the injector pipe down the side of the boiler with a piece of wire a touch larger than the handrails, I do not want it looking better on one side than the other. I intend to try to fabricate some sort of reverse lever probably out of some leftover brass etch or maybe styrene. I hope to try and fit D&G couplings at the same time. Pics to follow eventually.
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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 11:12:28 pm »
These are pics of my detailing work on my Union Mills 3f. Not sure about the injector pipe, if I have made it a touch to large. The handrails and chimney are N-Brass bits, I intend to fit lamp irons and more handrails to the cab yet, also coal rails to the tender. I might make a shorter link out of some styrene to bring the tender closer to the loco. Not sure what paint to use yet on the finish, I know it should be matt black but enamel or acrylic, I have a airbrush. Any advice on painting will be appreciated.





The Loco is fitted with a CT decoder and I intend to fit D&G couplings. I have made one coupling which fits into the Union Mills coupling box, I will try holding it in place with the spring or I may pack the box with styrene, I will see which works the best.
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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2018, 12:02:10 am »

My interpretation of drawings in "Midland Engines: the Class 3 Belpaire Goods engines" by Hunt, Essery & James is that they give a bore for the injector pipe of 2 1/4 in with the outside diameter seeming to be about about 2 1/2 in

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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 12:30:00 am »
Thanks Richard, I have used 0.5mm brass rod, looking back at previous posts it should be ok then. The N-Brass ones are small, someone said I could use 0.3mm for handrails thats why I have used 0.5mm. I also tried to thin it down at the front because it looks slightly smaller on one of my refference pics. Once its painted it will not stand out so much.
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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2018, 07:48:35 am »
I also tried to thin it down at the front because it looks slightly smaller on one of my refference pics.
The injector pipe should end approx mid way along the smokebox. Some locos had a short section of handrail ahead of this (this will be the "smaller section" in your pic) others had nothing.

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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2018, 10:16:37 am »
Thanks for the information guys,must admit I am finding this hard work but very satisfying.
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Re: Detailing 3f and 4f locos
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2018, 11:34:13 pm »
This is the latest pic of work on my Union Mills 3f, the rear h/rail looks a little out, it had moved slightly so corrected that since the pic. Work on the tender next, fitting the coal rails, the n-brass ones look a little bit different but I am confident I can make them look right. I am also thinking of fitting hand rails to the tender, i want to remove has little metal has possible from the tender so I do not effect the good running.

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