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Author Topic: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released  (Read 1055 times)

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Modellbahnshop Lippe have just informed me that the new models of the Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB Dosto coaches and driving car have finally been released (for pre-reserved orders at least).

Mine should be winging its way via DPD soon! :bounce:

Details of these items, first announced for release way back when, is here:

http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Uebersicht/Spur-N/IC2000-Dosto-Wagen-SBB-Steuerwagen-II.-weiss-rot-Tickiland


Other suppliers may have them soon, but I like MBSL as they have keen prices, good service, low cost and efficient delivery to U.K.

Edit 1/12/2017 - this link above is no longer showing the original details of these coaches and the driving car, and Lemke's site now only shows three of the coaches as available.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2017, 11:01:00 am by daffy, Reason: Update re link »
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 11:32:12 pm »
So far I have failed to find anything which explains if there are any technical differences between this issue and the originals.
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 08:42:42 am »
That was my thought too when I ordered them Gordon, as I know this is the third series they have released, but even the Lemke page is lacking in such specifics.

When mine arrive via DPD on Monday I shall post a few photos and any details of what might be different other than external detailing, like the Starbucks symbol on the restaurant car, the "Stell Dir vor es ist stau und keiner geht hin" clause on H25119,, and the Tickiland cartoon animals on the driving car. You and others who will have knowledge of the older issues may then be able to discern any technical differences.

My wife and I have travelled in various of these bi-level carriages a number of times, so a new set is a joy to me, no matter what the technicals.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 08:44:05 am by daffy »
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 12:38:42 am »


One of the issues with the originals is 'beaching' on anything other than perfect track, and so I inserted a small washer in each bogie to raise then up slightly
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 04:28:00 am »
Really? I ran a rake on my layout with no issues, and that most certainly doesn't have perfect track.

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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 09:03:58 am »


One of the issues with the originals is 'beaching' on anything other than perfect track, and so I inserted a small washer in each bogie to raise then up slightly

My set has arrived but I've not had a chance to examine them in detail due to ill-health, but hope to take some photos later to post here.

In light of your comment Gordon I do note that a small plastic bag is included with each carriage: four little white washers with instructions in German of how to place them between the bogies and carriage base. As to whether this is after wear and tear, or to lift the carriage bases to prevent such 'beaching' on some tracks, is yet to discovered, but four washers on just two pivot points suggests the latter might be the likely reason for the inclusion of these parts.

I'll see if Google translate will help determine that.

More later.
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 09:43:32 am »
Would certainly make sense. I'd definitely try them first though. At the end of the day they're long coaches with a low ride height, I don't think it's necessarily symptomatic of bad track, but if you have an abrupt changes in gradient then 'beaching' is obviously more likely.

Would love a full rake of these (and the requisite Swiss layout!). One day maybe...
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 04:26:19 pm »
Here's a photo of one of the included little bag of 4 washers found with each carriage:




In German:

Bei ungünstig verlegten Gleisen kann es Probleme mit den vorbildgerecht niedrigen Wagen kommen. In diesem Fall könen Sie den Abstand mit Hilfe beilingeden Kunsrstoffringe erhöhen.

In English:

In the case of unfavorably laid tracks, problems with the low-level cars can occur. In this case, you can increase the clearance with the help of plastic rings.


So it's just as I thought. :thumbsup

I'll only use them of course if testing shows the need on my tracking. :)
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 12:55:17 am »
Really? I ran a rake on my layout with no issues, and that most certainly doesn't have perfect track.

Both my club mate and I found that the problem occurred sometimes - but it is hit and miss. I've run a set recently on a tight oval and they worked fine.

In my experience the problem was/is most likely to occur if one happens to get (for whatever reason) a 'camel hump'  on a section of track e.g. as can happen at baseboard joints in a warm environment, and would be exacerbated if the rake is more than say 6 cars due to the extra drag.

Notwithstanding, the problem is clearly a known one, given that they have included a bag of washers in the new packs!

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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2017, 10:26:21 am »
Hi Folks,

After enough drooling over (and in) the real things I'm going to take the plunge and start a spending spree on these.
Thought Id ask this on here before I start a new thread...

From looking at various european forums it seems that fitting a decoder to the Driving Trailer for use with a dcc loco might not be that simple?
Do I have that right or can someone inform me better.

Cheers
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2017, 11:07:31 am »
Hi Mark, I can't help much re DCC as I only run DC, but as thread starter and proud owner of the set I thought I'd chip in.

I've updated the OP as the Lemke Collection link I posted is no longer showing the original details. In fact that site now only shows three of the coaches, suggesting stocks are depleted. I've noted that Modellbahn Shop Lippe also no longer show all the items, and suspect other suppliers will soon be the same.

Only help I can give re the Steuerwagen driving car is a photo of the parts diagram that's included in the box. I'll look it out and post later today, though if I remember correctly it doesn't show any DCC sockets or such like.
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2017, 11:22:06 am »
Okay, so here's a photo copy of the 'Explosionszeichung' that comes in the box with the Steuerwagen H25117 that I have:



No mention of DCC possibilities or requirements here or in/on the box or model.

Hopefully other members have the detail you require.
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2017, 11:33:51 am »

'Explosionszeichung'  :D :D

Cheers Daffy

Kinda what I expected from my stumblings thru google translate.
Don't think it will be a show stopper though, love these things.

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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 11:46:07 am »
Yes, this one looks like it's just a drag-around/push-along model.

But it's a lovely set to own, to hold, to run and, in the big world, to travel on (or even 'in'  :D ).

Hope you can find all the models at a great price. I've seen the Steuerwagen is still available at one seller at least, but they want CHF 99.50 for it ex delivery from Switzerland, which at current rates is about £76.00.
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Re: Hobbytrain IC2000 SBB bi-level coaches and driving car finally released
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2017, 12:19:16 pm »
Hi Mark @westie7  I've just PM'd you re these models.
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