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Author Topic: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series  (Read 41599 times)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #270 on: January 13, 2018, 01:25:47 pm »
I only have first hand knowledge of Dapol and Bachmann in the UK. Dapol, being in Wales, are very helpful for spares as are Bachmann. However they both suffer from "reservation fever" where they map out their ideas for the next 5 years or so. Kato seem to announce at between 4 and 5 months prior to delivery. I know which one I prefer.

What Kato seems not to have is a proper spares/maintenance organisation in Europe and that will tend to cost it friends in the long term, especially as the Swiss models become more popular.

Just some random thoughts,

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #271 on: January 13, 2018, 07:55:09 pm »
(1) Kato seem to announce at between 4 and 5 months prior to delivery. I know which one I prefer.

(2) What Kato seems not to have is a proper spares/maintenance organisation in Europe and that will tend to cost it friends in the long term, especially as the Swiss models become more popular.

(1) not really true. The Ge4/4II was announced a year ago for delivery next month

(2) Gaugemaster hold Kato spares, but in my experience (and I have obviously kept a close look on the subject) the spares run out at source in Japan frequently, simply due to the popularity of stuff.


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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #272 on: January 13, 2018, 08:58:34 pm »
Well Gordon, in my experience announcing a new loco for delivery in one years time and actually making it is some sort of miracle.

I suppose you could assume that next month Mr Kato will give us another reason to live another year rather than fall about in mirth as we do at others announcements.

It's almost sane.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #273 on: January 13, 2018, 09:07:46 pm »
in my experience announcing a new loco for delivery in one years time and actually making it is some sort of miracle.

It has to do with "we better announce it before the competition does" and then they start the R&D   ;)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2018, 07:57:20 pm »
So I have today ordered a Bernina 9 car unit. Interesting. is it safe to assume that a Ge4/4III can the used to haul the 6 coaches if a railcar is not available?

I watched a Bemo Ge4/4II lift a train, modest length, up a 5% grade today. Any ideas on what a Kato Ge4/4III will lift up a curving 5% grade?

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #275 on: January 14, 2018, 08:07:44 pm »
Anybody got a colour photo of a Ge4/4III roof in service?


Mike, how about this one ?

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #276 on: January 14, 2018, 09:05:32 pm »
That's very interesting. It looks like some gentle matting of the paintwork and droppings from the overhead have happened, little more. The real thing is that the insulators seem to be white, not black and the 11kV busbars are much thinner than Kato would have you believe.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series - new Kato announcements
« Reply #277 on: January 15, 2018, 10:18:45 am »
From: MikeBeard ngauge@Io
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 08:33:38 GMT
Hi Folks,
 
Kato have released their RhB un-modernised EW1 coaches as two sets, a basic set and an add-on set. Total coast for 8 coaches is about 150 or just under 20/coach. The EW1's can be seen at the bottom in the prototype photo.
 
The next item to come, in February in Japan, is a RhB Ge4/4II modernised loco. It carries the number 631 and is part of the second series of 11kV locos. Scaled at 1:150 it's about the same size as a UK N Gauge loco.
 

 
I understand it has proved to be so popular on pre-orders that a second run, unfortunately with same number, is planned in May. The prices quoted in Euros can be easily bettered BTW. Noch do add a huge mark-up!.
 
It seems there is an unknown coming up on the outside.
 
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #278 on: January 15, 2018, 10:53:57 am »
I assume these are the same EW1 coaches already noted earlier here and that I bought from Train Trax last September, and had been released a month or so before in Japan.

As for the "unknown coming up on the outside", I wonder if this refers to the MDS Modelle items mentioned elsewhere earlier on this Forum that are currently listed to pre-order on websites such as Menzels Lokshuppen and Modellbahn Kramm?

https://www.menzels-lokschuppen.de/Nach-Hersteller/MDS-Modell/

Includes Ge 4/4II locos in various liveries as well as some much wanted RhB freight cars.
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #279 on: January 15, 2018, 11:13:18 am »
The freight cars look good, and well priced for a pair too. The Mk2s seem quite competitive too, and look like their DCC (and sound) ready. Can't believe Kato still resist DCC compatibility quite so staunchly.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #280 on: January 15, 2018, 12:03:27 pm »
Hi Folks,

The quote by "Railwaygun" is taken from another N gauge chat site, very UK based. The guy coming up on the outside is Mr Kato. Good quality at a good price. Popular railway, look at Bemo's sales and exhibition layouts, look at the number of tourists, not all Japanese. Astute move long term. :D

My order for the 9 car Bernina line train was rejected, I assume because they made such a mighty Large Ricket  of supplying a previous Christmas present order. I now have a 5 car unit, the railcar and two coaches, on order elsewhere.  :censored:

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #281 on: January 15, 2018, 12:59:05 pm »
To be fair, I don't see Kato and Bemo as true rivals - to me the Kato items are still more 'trainsety' (it's a word) than the Bemo offerings. My take would be that the popularity appears to have caught them slightly off guard, and subsequent releases do seem to be trying to address that - cavernous gaps between coaches spring to mind. Branching into older locos, coaching stock etc is clearly about having a holistic range, rather than some souvenirs for the tourist market.

I've yet to see a proper layout in the flesh using the Kato range, but the MDS items look like they'd broaden the scope significantly to make it a more practical reality without scratchbuilding.

Given the price of Bemo stuff these days I'd still be tempted down the Kato route, although I've always liked the idea of having HOm and HO side by side, which wouldn't really work with the Kato.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #282 on: January 15, 2018, 01:50:50 pm »
I do understand the point about Kato being to "train set" standards. This can be addressed by substituting different couplers for the horrid Rapido ones they started fitted to the Glacier Express sets. The other items that need addressing are the roof fittings on the locos. Certainly the busbars etc need to be finer and the pantographs really need replacing with more proper metal ones.

To be fair to Kato the EW1 sets include instructions on fitting semi-permanent couplings to the Glacier Express coaches and the two different EW1 sets include two spare couplings each to enable this. Also there is a conversion kit available in Japan to couple the full set of Glacier Express coaches closer together. It includes shorter corridor connections but I understand that these only need to be fitted if your using the Kato 6" curves otherwise the fitted longer ones are fine.  It makes sense to use semi-permanent couplings. On a typical "Roundy-roundy" layout how often would you separate the loco from its coaches?  There is a halfway house of fitting MicroTrains couplings at the end of semi-permanent sets and on locos and railcars. Freight stock is another problem and I would think that some experimentation will be needed to find a semi-automatic coupling system but I'd lean towards MicroTrains and Rix uncouplers.

The MDS bogie vans are going to be a welcome addition but might we risk drowning in a sea of pure water as there are no other wagons readily available? What couplings do they come with? This is still unclear.

It's going to take a couple of years from now to produce anything approaching an exhibition layout as not everything necessary is available in 1:150 scale. Bit of an understatement there but still. I'm hoping to have a 12' x 2' layout "in the nude", ie bare wood and working track but no decoration, by this time next year. Worle New Year Show and all that? We'll see.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #283 on: January 15, 2018, 02:15:37 pm »
Not sure that's true, 1:148 and 1:160  are rather well established after all, and you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference for many items.

I agree that they're trying to move away from the trainset image, indeed I said as much, which is laudable. Would be good to continue to see the range expand.

It's still fighting a battle of the scales too - as the track scales to a whopping 35% wider than the prototype. Whilst British N is about 8% too narrow it's hard to overlook a 35% discrepancy, and don't the Ge4/4 IIIs scale too short too, possibly as a result of ensuring they'll work on their 6" radius curves. Anyone re-wheeling them for Z gauge track?

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #284 on: January 15, 2018, 03:12:51 pm »
I think the Kato Ge4/4III will be longer than its Ge4/4II brother.  In retrospect I could have compared it with its Bemo equivalent yesterday at Worle - fast back 24 hours!

As to the gauge discreperancy I'm not going to get worked up over that issue. I'd rather use Peco track. In fact I'm looking forward to making the scissors crossover with integrated double slip as per Filisur as modelled by Barry Kelsall.

I've been trawling through the  Plaza Japan website and I've come across a lot of spares for an ABe4/4. Anybody got any bright ideas?
Equally does anybody know of a spares holding of traction tyres for the Ge4/4III anywhere in the world?

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