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Title: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: MikeDunn on February 12, 2015, 11:37:37 am
Just been reading on the Sprog newsgroup about a new (?) chip provider -  Railway_Maker in West Drayton; I've not heard of them before.  Seems they're selling chips with laisdcc firmware and their own programming on eBay @ about £9 (sorry, I don't have a link).

Now, while they may not be providing N-sized chips yet (no size info was offered), from reading about the "documentation" and how the chip behaved ("However, having reset the speed table, the chip blew immediately I placed it on the main") I would suggest anyone buying these proceeds with caution !!!

Maybe it was just a dodgy chip - or maybe they all are at under a tenner ...  :scowl:

Mike
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 12, 2015, 11:49:05 am
Info here :-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/co9tpd0ey5vt7in/Railway%20Maker%20DCC%20Instructions.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/co9tpd0ey5vt7in/Railway%20Maker%20DCC%20Instructions.pdf?dl=0)

http://www.railwaymaker.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=5 (http://www.railwaymaker.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=5)
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 12, 2015, 12:05:55 pm
PS I like the SKY Remote for their system control... One would presume this kit is very new :D

What happens if you have Virgin Media  :doh:
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Dr.Rob on February 12, 2015, 01:37:08 pm
Just a few things plucked from their terms and conditions
Warranty Information
All goods we sell are new, factory fresh and tested by their manufacturers. Only very rarely does an item not function at first use. If this happens, we will do our very best to replace it as long as the below conditions for return are met. Please check your order as soon as you receive it. Any goods to be replaced must be returned within 7 days. There are no exceptions to this.
Except that this is covered by the distant selling regulations from Which:
Your right to cancel an order:
The Distance Selling Regulations state that your right to cancel an order starts the moment you place your order and doesn’t end until seven working days from the day after you receive your goods.
This is the minimum consumers must be given and many sellers choose to exceed this, so always check the terms and conditions in case you have longer to return your items.
As this seven-day working period is the time you have to decide whether to cancel, by law the seller can’t say that you must have returned the goods within this time frame.

I have been using an item for the past few months and it has stopped working. Can I have a replacement?

This is a bad example was it used once or twice in those months?
Sales of goods act “If your claim is about a problem that arises within six months of buying the product, it's up to the retailer to prove that the goods were of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose, or as described when it sold them.”

My order has been shipped but has not arrived - what has happened to it?
First … Quite often, this is what has happened. Regrettfully (sic), if your package is still missing, we cannot be held responsible if it is not insured.
Unfortunately for the seller this isn’t how the real world works, distant selling regulations dictate that:
“The Distance Selling Regulations say that goods must be delivered within the time frame you agree with the seller. If no time frame is agreed, the seller has 30 days from the day after they receive your order to deliver your goods.”
Regular second class is actually comes with £20 insurance anyway, but that is the sellers concern.

Finally, for purchases over £100 it is always worth using a VISA or VISA debit as it may be possible to issue a charge back.


Regards
Rob
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: sprogman on February 12, 2015, 02:17:25 pm
It's so wrong on a number of counts. The Distance Selling Regulations are in addition to other legal rights that you have. The DSR give you an absolute right to change your mind and return goods for any reason within 7 days (miniumum, as amended by the vendor) of receipt with a full refund including outward postage costs. The vendor can specify that you are responsible for return postage for DSR returns.

Most of the returns clause can be ignored as the DSR are in addition to other legal rights with regard to faulty goods, so the requirement to return within a specific time period is nonsense.

Restocking fees are not allowed.

Requiring you to request a return number for a DSR return is amost certainly unenforceable. All you need do is send an e-mail, fax or letter cancelling the order.

It seems thay have read the Ts&Cs of their suppliers and confused business-business transactions (where DSR do not apply) with business-consumer transactions.

Andrew
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Newportnobby on February 12, 2015, 03:02:40 pm
Reckon I'll stick to the McCains ones :-X
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 12, 2015, 03:41:05 pm
Hi

Some of their documentation (CV settings) looks like it has been copied directly from the TCS manual for the NEU651.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: 14Steve14 on February 18, 2015, 04:04:36 pm
I don't post often on sites like these, but there is some incorrect information being written about the DSR. These regulations are now out of date and have been superseded by the Consumer Contract Regulations, which came into force on the 13th June 2014.

You now have 14 days to cancel a transaction, but as a consumer you also have an obligation to return the unwanted items at your costs if the sellers term and conditions state that return postage will not be refunded. If there is nothing like that then you should be refunded the return postage.

The best bit, and the bit worth remembering is that if a website does not have T&Cs or has nothing about cancellations you still have 14 days plus 365 days to cancel an order, as long as the product you bought can be refunded and has not had any more use that that for testing and evaluation purposes.

There is a very good article on the Which site here http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations (http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations) which gives good advice and information.

I hope this clarifies things for some people and forget all about the DSRs as they are old hat now.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Railwaygun on February 19, 2015, 10:58:14 pm
Here is the Ad for LaisDCC? Chips

£10 for 6 pin decoder

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DCC-Decoder-2-function-6-pin-OO-HO-N-scale-Laisdcc-New-UK-Stock-/151592850906?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:1120 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DCC-Decoder-2-function-6-pin-OO-HO-N-scale-Laisdcc-New-UK-Stock-/151592850906?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:1120)

Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 19, 2015, 11:05:45 pm
Right one of us needs to take the plunge here.... So i have purchased two of the above.  Once they arrive I shall fully test and write a review....if they are any good I will send it to Andy at Model Rail for an article....Reasoning for buying two is i want to see if they have any form of short protection built in.

Paul
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: NinOz on February 20, 2015, 01:44:35 am
Here is the Ad for LaisDCC? Chips

£10 for 6 pin decoder

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DCC-Decoder-2-function-6-pin-OO-HO-N-scale-Laisdcc-New-UK-Stock-/151592850906?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:1120[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DCC-Decoder-2-function-6-pin-OO-HO-N-scale-Laisdcc-New-UK-Stock-/151592850906?ssPageName=ADME:SS:SS:GB:1120[/url])

Made in China and direct selling at US$12 inc postage. :)
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DCC-LOCO-DECODER-WITH-6PIN-NEM651-FOR-MODEL-TRAIN/1199970_32223130635.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/DCC-LOCO-DECODER-WITH-6PIN-NEM651-FOR-MODEL-TRAIN/1199970_32223130635.html)
Saw similar movement in RC electronic equipment in 2000s where equivalents to major players were a quarter to a tenth in price and sometimes better in quality.  There was also some really poor stuff.

This will be interesting if the manufacturer continues improvements and size decreases.

CFJ
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 20, 2015, 06:26:29 am
Yea but a two to three week wait... If they are any good i'll buy them direct next time :) thanks for the link
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DJM Dave on February 20, 2015, 08:47:40 am
Not sure this is the same manufacturer, but about 8 months ago I was offered as a distributor ship , 6,8 and 21 pin decoders to sell into Europe.

They were also going to produce sound decoders.

I told them that if they weren't fully NMRA compliant and certified I wasn't interested. They seemed a bit blasé about my comments, however I wasn't prepared to take that manufacturers decoders on without that certification in place as it could open a whole can of worms regarding reliability, compatibility etc.

Please remember that NEM and NMRA supported is not compliant and certified.

The ones offered me also had a heat shrink plastic cover which, due to N gauges restricted space, I suggested they remove on production models.

Caviat emptor I think, but it is a good price.
HTH
Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 24, 2015, 10:49:05 am
Hi all, the chips arrived very quickly and both work solidly, dare I say that the one I put into my new class 37 makes it run better than with the TCS chip it had in it previously, the motor is super quiet when running now...

HOWEVER


WE OF THE N GAUGE CLAN WILL HAVE ONE SLIGHT PROBLEM!!!! :D

They are so bloody big you cant get them into Dapol units and I couldnt put the body back on the 37 without removing one of the cab ends!! Oh well you live and learn :)

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Dunce signing off!!  :dunce:
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 24, 2015, 11:11:09 am
They do fit in 108's and 101's though... So maybe will use them in the dummy cars!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: NinOz on February 24, 2015, 11:17:17 am
How would they go if you;

For thickness:
Cut the wires off,
Removed the heat shrink,

For length:
Pulled the black plastic off the pins,
Cut the pins to the minimum.

I would.

CFJ
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 24, 2015, 11:26:25 am
Pcb too long, cutting pins wouldnt help at all, neither would removing heatshrink.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Caz on February 24, 2015, 07:36:47 pm
Thanks for trying Paul, at least you've saved some others some grief.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: A.Carter (BiG-T) on February 24, 2015, 08:40:43 pm
When I first went into the drop box link the writing on the chip changed from TCS MC4 to Railway Maker, are they using rebadged TCS chips? I was led to believe that TCS had a good name for chips?

Tony
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 24, 2015, 09:01:58 pm
The two i have show up as "modeleisenbahn" as the manufacturer!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Nigel Cliffe on February 25, 2015, 10:42:25 am

A few years ago, TCS were of the view that another company had illegally copied some of their decoder designs.  TCS initiated formal instructions to UK retailers to not sell certain products under UK/EU anti-piracy legislation - I saw one of the letters issued.

If concerned whether these are legitimate versions of a TCS design, I suggest asking TCS. 

- Nigel
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DELETED on February 25, 2015, 11:36:45 am
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modeleisenbahn

...isn't that just German for "Model Railway", or does dropping one "l" make a difference to the translation?

Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Zakalwe on February 25, 2015, 10:07:54 pm
thanks for the update,

do you think they would fit in the dapol DVT / dummy HST / voyager / desiro that sort of space as they are a cheap source of lights only control?
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 25, 2015, 10:21:23 pm
They are too long for :-
52's
35's
24's
153's
121's
122's
20's
25's
22's

However fit GF class 108's and 101's fine, 37's if you are happy to lose cab interior.  They also fit in a Dapol super voyager.

Thats about the limit of my testing!

I dont have any other pinned stock :)
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DELETED on February 25, 2015, 10:34:37 pm
I read this thread with interest considering mentions elsewhere of decoders from the likes of Bachmann and Digitrax get such a dissing as a cheap and nasty product, how could one even cheaper even ever be considered ???
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 25, 2015, 10:41:13 pm
Because they work on dc, and i am only using them for dummy cars, however they work remarkably well, have all the functions of a much higher price chip... Im also using them as stationary decoders and flasher units for consists...

PS I THINK DIGITRAX ARE EXCELLENT!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DELETED on February 27, 2015, 12:14:42 am
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Because they work on dc, and i am only using them for dummy cars, however they work remarkably well, have all the functions of a much higher price chip... Im also using them as stationary decoders and flasher units for consists...

PS I THINK DIGITRAX ARE EXCELLENT!

...Cool, good to see them tried out anyway!  Shame about the size but just thinking out loud, Wickness just converted my Farish class 43 and as it's a pre-China chassis the battery box is completely hollow so plenty of room for the chip, perhaps a chip such as this would fit maybe lend itself to Poole conversions??  Might just be a brain fart, I haven't got my class 43 back yet so just going by the pics supplied during the conversion.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 08:25:11 am
I find it amazing that decoders haven't got cheaper. Electronics have plummeted in price over the last 10 years, and yet the cheapest mainstream decoders - AFAIK the Bachmann 36-558, is more expensive now than when released.

Then again, when folk view cheap decoders with cynicism the manufacturers are onto a winner! Combined with laughable reliability, which everyone blindly accepts, it seems a licence to print money!

Shame these aren't a workable solution. I'd have bought another Farish 350 if it didn't need at least £50 spending on chips for the damn thing!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on February 27, 2015, 08:35:06 am
I dont have one but... Will see if i can test in one on 8th for you at out club meet.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 09:16:07 am
I've actually ordered one to try, as they weren't too expensive, and it'll fit in a 37 if nothing else! When I arrives I can gladly try it in a 60, Farish & Dapol 66s, 67, 56, 153, 156, Farish 220, 350, 86, 70 and HSTs, must fit in some of those! Even in the dummys would be an improvement.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: sprogman on February 27, 2015, 02:39:57 pm
I find it amazing that decoders haven't got cheaper. Electronics have plummeted in price over the last 10 years,
Not the sort of components used in decoders and not for the production volumes of decoders.

Andrew
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 02:44:45 pm
But the quantities being produced must have increased a vast amount in the same time period. DCC (particularly in n) was firmly in it's infancy 10 years ago, I've no idea what the split is these days, but the share of folk going DCC isn't shrinking I'll wager...

I agree that Bachmann aren't producing as many 6-pin decoders as Sony are televisions (for example), but still, surprises me.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Nigel Cliffe on February 27, 2015, 05:26:54 pm
I think you (njee20) are going to be very surprised as to how small the DCC business is.

- Nigel
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: MikeDunn on February 27, 2015, 05:45:02 pm
Well ... think about all the components (electrical only) that go into such a TV ... there are hundreds of them.  Look at a DCC chip - a handful of items go on that ...

It's not the individual items making up the end component (be it a Sony TV or a Bachmann 6-pin chip), it's the making of the end item ...  The components on DCC chips likely are cheap as chips (sorry  :D) - you just need to look at a site such as RS or Farnell to see that  (ththough you'd be forgiven if you looked at Mouser to base your comments on !  :worried:  Talk about rip-off ...  :thumbsdown: ). 

There just aren't that many DCC chips made up in the whole scale of things ...  We may think we're a large market, especially when you add in the OO/HO and larger aspects of the hobby - but we aren't ...  That's not to say someone coming in & making a new (small !!!) chip can't do it cheaper - they could.  But the whole DCC market is measured in tens of thousands - the Sony TV market in millions, and that's before you add in the other TV manufacturers ... ...
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 06:04:30 pm
I think the market is tiny, I've said as much, but that's not my point.

I'm saying that the market has grown and prices have increased. I've no idea on the numbers, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the market has grown 5 fold in the last ten years. I'm not talking numbers, because they're still very small, but compared to the same market 10 years ago it has grown, and yet prices have risen.

There are few areas of manufacturing whereby a product gets more expensive if you increase the volume of production by a factor of 5! It doesn't matter if you're going from 5 units to 25, or from 10 million to 50 million. Just surprises me, that's all.

Perhaps all we need is for the Chinese to jump in on it, as is clearly happenning. If they can nail a smaller 6 pin decoder I'll buy a job lot! A £6 decoder going bang within 10 seconds of use is rather easier to swallow than a £40 one doing it...
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: MikeDunn on February 27, 2015, 06:28:21 pm
I see what you mean, but I still think the prices are about right (sadly) ... As to the Chinese coming aboard - who do you think really makes these things  :D

Volume has increased, yes, compared with 5 years ago - but so have manufacturing costs (Chinese factory raises 20% year on year, remember), including raw material and power costs.  Add on the massive increase in the number (and quantity of) gadgets now made, and DCC manufacturing slots are constantly being squeezed ...  It's far more profitable to make a few hundred thousand of an item than a few thousand, especially when you need to re-jig the production lines more often between the small quantity groups ...

If I knew what the logics needed were within the programming - I'd see about trying to make my own (large scale first of course) !  It's probably not that difficult ... and once you have the logic & know what component needs to be where, the board layout is easy, as is finding a producer making it (I have a design for something I plan to get made in China at some point - maybe next year).  But I don't have the time to investigate :(
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 07:41:56 pm
You know what I mean about the Chinese - if you start being able to buy direct, or without the 'shop front' of a brand then it'll get cheaper. It's not like you get any after sales care, if they go pop the manufacturer shrugs and says 'yeah, that'll happen!'.

Interesting thought about making one yourself.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: sprogman on February 27, 2015, 08:20:42 pm
DCC decoders use mature components based on mature technology sold at commodity prices whereas smart phones, tablets and other tech are always at the bleeding edge using the latest generation of components and can, initially at least, command a premium.

Andrew
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 08:53:05 pm
So isn't that another reason decoders should be cheaper by now...?  :-\
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: MikeDunn on February 27, 2015, 10:34:16 pm
You're still not seeing the manufacturing issues for niche items ...

There aren't many made at a time (let's say they want 10,000 for this year - that isn't really a lot ...), and you have the set-up and break-down of the manufacturing lines to add into the costs.  Do this for a lot of small runs, and each becomes expensive compared to a massive run such as the power boards of a TV shared across all models from that company (including monitors as well).  If it takes a day to setup & a day to break down, a short run may be half that period - you have to charge 3 days for 1 day's production.  A large run may last a week or more with the same 2 days overhead - the cost gets spread out more.

Factor in new tech that manufacturers want to push out rapidly, and are willing to pay extra for to jump to the head of the queue, and a DCC decoder gets pushed both backwards in the queue and attracts a higher premium to make.

If you were a PCB manufacturer, what would you want to make ?  10,000 of something you get a few bucks for apiece, or 250,000 of something you get ten times that for at about the same daily cost to you ?  It's basic economics.  We don't like it, but there's nothing we can do (except go into competition  :smiley-laughing:)
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 10:50:11 pm
Well I now get the point you were making about TVs, but that still ignores my point that scale has increased, and prices.

Using your numbers - say they want to sell 10,000 this year, totally get that it's not a priority for an electronics firm. But 10 years ago they probably didn't even sell 1,000, ergo they're even lower priority and yet they were cheaper...

I'm giving up anyway, my experience from electronics in other industries suggests this is a pretty unusual case, but is obviously accepted as the norm! I'll keep my eye on AliExpress for a decent 6 pin decoder at a sensible price, and I'll update on this one when I've had a play!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: MikeDunn on February 28, 2015, 10:04:09 am
10 years ago we didn't have tablets, smart phones, LED TVs, etc etc etc ad nauseum :)  Everything seems to be made with electrical components these days - and Supply & Demand rule.  The more you want to buy & have turned into something else, the cheaper those components become.  Contrariwise, if you're on the low end of the scale, you have to pay more as well as having to fight for assembly timeslots.  Yes, scale for DCC chips has increased - but the assembly market has effectively shrunk as a multitude of new items have come along, competing for components and assembly slots.  And no-one has even mentioned company overheads !  I am aware of at least one company that puts a 30% overhead onto everything before they work out the end prices to include their profit ...  Out of curiosity, is your experience within the industry or as a customer ?

Re cheaper a decade ago - diesel cars were nowhere near as numerous, yet the price of diesel was a lot cheaper than petrol (let alone against current prices) - by your reasoning, that's wrong in todays market where diesels are such a large player yet the cost to us seems to be always at least a 5ppl premium for a product in high demand ...  Anyway, as you say - enough of this; far too complicated & involved for hobby railroadists like us :)

Do let us know how you get on though with that decoder !
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on February 28, 2015, 10:20:04 am
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Out of curiosity, is your experience within the industry or as a customer ?

Both - in the context of bicycle lights. Technology has moved on hugely, prices have come down, production runs are small (probably smaller than decoders, as unit cost is significantly higher). You now get far more advanced electronics in a light, which is far brighter (admittedly basically due to LED manufacture) for comparable or less money. Thinking of a specific brand I've been involved with. Alongside that you can buy direct from China, it's vastly cheaper, but the reliability is questionable. As we're getting questionable reliability from the companies charging lots I struggle to see what we're losing...

The diesel argument is flawed, because its more expensive across the board. For that analogy to fly it would be that diesel has got far cheaper for mass produced cars, but more expensice if you're driving a car made in small production runs.

I really don't buy that 'we now have tablets and LED TVs' either. Do you think its the same number of factories as 10 years ago?!
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Railwaygun on February 28, 2015, 11:05:15 am
i think that the question is not one of manufacturing economics ( ably discussed above) but whether someone has got good NMRA -compatible s/w in a reliable chip package, at a reasonable cost.

it seems we have a cheap chip with possibly good s/w, but in an older size package.

Bleeding edge costs ( as any iPhone owner can attest)!

so lets await on-track testing and hope that they can do a smaller 2nd generation product.

Nick R
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on March 01, 2015, 12:00:59 pm
Had two more delivered, both useless... One couldnt be read at all by the sprog, the second was placed into a 108 put on the programming track.  I clicked the identify loco button on the JMRI software and the chip caught fire!!!!

Never seen one burn up in such spectacular fashion... So i retract all my previous posts re these and go back to my tried and tested motto...

BUY CHEAP BUY TWICE!!

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Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: fatso on March 01, 2015, 12:16:13 pm
Strange but true many on here will think of spending 100£s on loco but only pittance on dcc chips you pay for what you get 10 years using lenz dcc chips 1 died but my own fault.mike
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on March 01, 2015, 12:18:16 pm
I thought they would be useful for dummy cars however as you can see Mike they're not much cop for that either.... However as a fire lighter my rating is 10/10 :D
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: fatso on March 01, 2015, 12:23:42 pm
I thought they would be useful for dummy cars however as you can see Mike they're not much cop for that either.... However as a fire lighter my rating is 10/10 :D


Your a brave man buying two and they go up in flames  good news at least others will steer well clear  for dummy  cars I use the lenz lower end one price wise have warranty then.mike
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on March 01, 2015, 12:25:33 pm
I have four! The first two worked fine, so i bought two more (mistake) however i have now removed them as i dont want any burnt out locos...until the guy has had a chance to read and reply to my emails ..
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: fatso on March 01, 2015, 12:30:08 pm
I have four! The first two worked fine, so i bought two more (mistake) however i have now removed them as i dont want any burnt out locos...

I have been running lenz dcc system lh 100 for years and I buy the chip make my life easier I know there are cheaper dcc chip but I like security  of the warranty from lenz
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DELETED on March 02, 2015, 11:07:48 pm
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Strange but true many on here will think of spending 100£s on loco but only pittance on dcc chips you pay for what you get 10 years using lenz dcc chips 1 died but my own fault.mike

...I kind of agree with you but realise it's always good exploring new things.  Not everyone needs the same functionality either so cheaper stuff may work OK.   Bush, Alba, Technica etc and a few others wouldn't sell any products if we all plumped for £500 named radios and TV's!!!!  Nor would anyone buy DCC stations less than £300.

Your comment reminds me of my problems with the Hornby Select though and I personally don't understand why anyone would consider using one as the warnings are well out there for a long time.  I never had any problem DCC unless the Select was brought in.  I've used cheap chips for years without fault unless they touched that system and all the professional advice says -yip no wonder! but I digress, others are happy with it.  Ironically / coincidentally the damaged chips here visibly burned out in the same area as my chips which went on the select.

It doesn't hurt to try new things, I don't agree to any non-return policy though if these are new.  You just have to try things and post up, if nothing else, it shows up on a search engine as "tried it, done that, avoid", then everyone benefits from seeing it written up :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: Only Me on March 02, 2015, 11:17:11 pm
To be fair the guy Tim has seen my photos and agreed the two chips inteceived second must be defective as they should either be readable or not explode on the programming track!!! They are also limited to 500ma load... Which for some locos isnt useable... Fine for lights and dummies if they will programme as expected first
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: DELETED on March 02, 2015, 11:29:44 pm
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To be fair the guy Tim has seen my photos and agreed the two chips inteceived second must be defective as they should either be readable or not explode on the programming track!!! They are also limited to 500ma load... Which for some locos isnt useable... Fine for lights and dummies if they will programme as expected first

...wow I didn't realised it had popped on the program track :o

Like you say, for unpowered dummies and the like they were worth a shot if they work. When I started out in r/c (only 20-25 years ago) mini servos were almost £50, heavy, weak and rare, now MICRO servos are a little more than £4, strong and common place so I still say it doesn't hurt to explore.

Was it you programming flashing red lights in end trucks though.  I used to buy cheap flashing LED's from Maplins and put them in series with other things -OK, not strictly the way to do it, but you can make many lights flash if you carefully put a self flashing LED in series.  Maybe not the right flash rate I guess but costs pennies rather than pounds.
Title: Re: New chip maker - caution suggested
Post by: njee20 on March 12, 2015, 09:04:49 am
Finally got round to collecting mine from the post office yesterday. Not tried it on the layout as I couldn't be bothered to get it out, so can't confirm the likelihood of combustion, but I tried it in a few things that were to hand and generally found they really are too big to go in anything!

Won't fit in a:

Dapol 86
Dapol 67
Dapol 56 (perhaps, if you remove the cab interior)
Dapol 153

May fit in a Farish 70 if you trim the body shell slightly. We already knew about the 37 - if you remove the cab interior.

Does fit happily in a Dapol Mk3 DVT though! Like those above I'd be happy using these in dummy locos where there is tonnes of space, as long as they're not going to explode!