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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 02:59:36 am »
Anyone tried DCC fitting yet?

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2016, 02:11:11 pm »
Well, I'm well pleased with my Dukedog. Runs like a treat out of the box as all UM models appear to.

Only one issue - watch out for your platform clearances! I have just spent a happy half hour shaving the edge of my platforms so that the coupling rods between the driving wheels don't fowl on the platforms as the engine goes by. Easy for me, 'cos I've only got one platform and the edge was easy to get at. You might have more trouble - you need a good 6mm clearance from the rail.

You can just about see the problem in this shot.....


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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2016, 02:51:23 pm »
The same issue occurred with many folks who purchased the lovely Farish outside framed 08 shunter.
If anyone has both locos, which is the wider please so potential purchasers can be advised?

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2016, 03:00:59 pm »
The same issue occurred with many folks who purchased the lovely Farish outside framed 08 shunter.
If anyone has both locos, which is the wider please so potential purchasers can be advised?

I have both and the Union Mills Dukedog is wider; an outside-framed Farish 08 would clear the platform on my layout, the Dukedog would just foul the platform edge.  It wasn't a huge difference as the ends of the rods would just rub the overhanging edge of the platform.  But anyone who has tight gaps may find the Dukedog gets stuck somewhere.

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2016, 03:05:07 pm »
The same issue occurred with many folks who purchased the lovely Farish outside framed 08 shunter.
If anyone has both locos, which is the wider please so potential purchasers can be advised?

I have both and the Union Mills Dukedog is wider

Thanks, John. I can get that to stick in my ever shrinking brain cell.

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2016, 04:32:46 pm »
Just spent a really nice afternoon putting the world to rights with Snowwolflair while he very kindly painted the chimneys ,safety domes ,whistles and even the handrails on my Dukedogs and Dean Goods what an amazing difference it has made to them .
I can't put photos on here as they can't be touched for a couple of days till the paint is really dry .
I will then get someone to help me put some photos on here as they have to be seen to appreciate them ,they look so much better.
I've put the steam vacuum pipes on and a lamp , driver and firemen onto the Dean Goods just need four more crew and two more lamps for the Dukedogs .A massive big thanks again to Snowwolflair for doing that for me .
Bob

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2016, 05:28:37 pm »
Hi all,
Tuesday night found a group of the Warley  N group around Broadwater  junction enjoying a pimped black Dukedog.
-wire handrails, chimney fussed over, coal and tools along with crew. To fit were Nic Tilstons N gauge Brass buffers and a bogie front frame and guard irons to mask front flanges.
Lovingly weathered with sooted smokebox and boiler top and an air of grime and neglect. Not mine but certainly inspiring. Much talk of Cambrian inspired layouts was had.

Robert   

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2016, 09:24:55 am »
I'm not sure if this cross post is allowed so I'll apologise in advance. I receive emails from the N gauge model railways group. I joined at some point but could never manage to log back in afterwards. Anyway, I'd like to see pictures or a video of this being done as I'd like to try it but I'm scared of getting it wrong. Apologies again if I've crossed a line.

"Noel Leaver" noelleaver
I've just got one of these and written a review for the NGS Journal.

Usual features of UM loco - good performance, detail basic.

An interesting loco as very old fashioned looking for something that was
nominally newly built in 1936-9 - in fact they were not new, they were the
frames of a withdrawn Bulldog and the boiler and cylinders from a withdrawn
Duke.

The new feature for UM is that it has outside frames. This is done by a
plastic part that goes over the end of an extended axle and has the crank on
the end. The crank is thicker than I think it need be - it is 1.4mm thick
compared with 0.8 for the similar fitting on a Farish 08. Worse is that the
pins used to attach the coupling rods are his standard pins and too long, so
they stick out about 0.6 mm further than needed (if you push them in they
catch on the frames). This makes the loco 1.1 mm wider than the Dapol 9F -
my usual measure of a very wide loco - and will probably cause problems on
most layouts. Fortunately you can reduce the width to the same as the 9F
fairly easily. Pull out the pins (I did them 1 at a time), cut about 0.75 mm
off the ends (I used side cutting pliers) and reinsert them. This reduces
the width to be the same as the 9F. When we tried it on our club layout
Bolden it fouled the ramp at one end of the platform, but shaving 0.5 mm off
the edge fixed it.

Noel


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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2016, 09:46:17 am »
Iv just taken delivery of two unionmills models one is the Dukedog in B.R. Black and the other is the Dean goods in B.R. Black. Iv yet to run them as it's far to rainy to even think of going down to the shed but I must say how great they both look and they give the impression they will last a lifetime. The service provided by Collin was excellent to.

Tim

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2016, 09:49:58 am »
Sounds all cool, Tim, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2016, 10:50:35 am »
You won't be disappointed Tim.
Bob

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2016, 11:53:05 am »
 :hellosign: My new Dean Goods and Duke Dog were well received at last weekends exhibition at Shoeburyness . They both ran all day with no problems . 2 forum members said after seeing them haul loads of wagons and coaches  that they will be giving Colin a ring , I hope they do. The Duke Dog did make it into the station platforms, only just!. My one being Shirt button livery pulling a B set looked really good on Bettws Road .
Tonye

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2016, 02:57:59 pm »
I have been looking at this model on and off since it's release and the first pics were put up, still being tempted by a BR one. Sure it is a pretty enough model but something just does not look quite right about it so I went off and did a bit of digging.

Observing multiple pics of the real thing, it appears to be quite a small loco in reality and certainly doesn't sit higher than coaches and stock like the model does. Comparing pics of the the two, I would make the following observations: -


1) On the prototype - cab and tender steps line up at the bottom. On the model the loco steps sit a lot higher.
2) On the prototype cab side-sheets line up with the front of tender, on the model they are way higher.

My conclusion is that the whole loco body is well proportioned enough but is sitting by the look of it about 2mm too high when compared to the tender and this gives the impression of the whole thing being on tip-toe.

Model: -

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/8-141116132313.gif

Prototype: -
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gwr+dukedog&view=detailv2&qpvt=gwr+dukedog&id=32BF44A24BE11DCED03DBB313A25D16A224CB1E9&selectedindex=7&ccid=uGV3SAvo&simid=608050826419242594&thid=OIP.Mb86577480be84f2b0f95058accda7138o0&mode=overlay&first=1q=gwr+dukedog&view=detailv2&qpvt=gwr+dukedog&id=32BF44A24BE11DCED03DBB313A25D16A224CB1E9&selectedindex=7&ccid=uGV3SAvo&simid=608050826419242594&thid=OIP.Mb86577480be84f2b0f95058accda7138o0&mode=overlay&first=1

Fair play to those who can live with that, but for me the model just doesn't match the proportions of the prototype in what is a pretty critical dimension.

So, for me the agonising is over - quirky prototype though it is I will give it a miss.

Roy

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2016, 07:46:41 pm »
I'm not sure if this cross post is allowed so I'll apologise in advance. I receive emails from the N gauge model railways group. I joined at some point but could never manage to log back in afterwards. Anyway, I'd like to see pictures or a video of this being done as I'd like to try it but I'm scared of getting it wrong. Apologies again if I've crossed a line.

"Noel Leaver" noelleaver
I've just got one of these and written a review for the NGS Journal.

Usual features of UM loco - good performance, detail basic.

An interesting loco as very old fashioned looking for something that was
nominally newly built in 1936-9 - in fact they were not new, they were the
frames of a withdrawn Bulldog and the boiler and cylinders from a withdrawn
Duke.

The new feature for UM is that it has outside frames. This is done by a
plastic part that goes over the end of an extended axle and has the crank on
the end. The crank is thicker than I think it need be - it is 1.4mm thick
compared with 0.8 for the similar fitting on a Farish 08. Worse is that the
pins used to attach the coupling rods are his standard pins and too long, so
they stick out about 0.6 mm further than needed (if you push them in they
catch on the frames). This makes the loco 1.1 mm wider than the Dapol 9F -
my usual measure of a very wide loco - and will probably cause problems on
most layouts. Fortunately you can reduce the width to the same as the 9F
fairly easily. Pull out the pins (I did them 1 at a time), cut about 0.75 mm
off the ends (I used side cutting pliers) and reinsert them. This reduces
the width to be the same as the 9F. When we tried it on our club layout
Bolden it fouled the ramp at one end of the platform, but shaving 0.5 mm off
the edge fixed it.

Noel

Something of an update.
I also e-mailed the above to Colin to see what he thought and received an interesting reply.

".................On platform clearances, there are no agreed British standards. You can either go with the American NMRA of the European NEM standards. I chose the latter and made the loco to conform to the NEM Standard 102 which gives a width between platform faces of 25mm. The width of the Dukedog is 22.5mm so there should be no problem. What people do when they build their layouts is they just get a loco and a couple of coaches, put them on the track and then fit their platform to that train rather than to the NEM standard..................."

I admit to falling into the "loco a carriage" brigade.

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Re: Union Mills 2016 new loco
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2016, 07:54:49 pm »
Hi ,
 Slightly OT but recall two platform cuttings at Worcester Shrub Hill once for 158 and then again for the 165s ! thus its just like the real thing. Modern 22x trains are no respecters of platform heights with extra steps and longer ramps for access. ho hum.
I am sure a happy soul will advise on lowering heights but it looked ok to us at Warley club but we noted height issue and thought best on freights with a low waggon first !
Robert     

 

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