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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2015, 02:04:39 pm »
Compare the tenders on these pics (linked from Google)

00 model, note toolbox(?) at back, and no recess at front of side



UM model, no box at the back


UM model, toolbox at top front, front of side is recessed


UM model is a Drummond type, it can be made to look a bit more like an Adams one by adding the rear box and filling the recess at front of sides, file off front toolboxes.




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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2015, 02:11:12 pm »
Ah, so is the tender UM have modelled not the norm for the class? Was it an uncommon variant or just plain wrong? I am not up on SR tenders.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2015, 03:23:59 pm »
The UM tender is a Drummond one, I've done a Google images search on the 0395 , none shown with a Drummond tender; A quick red through the 0395 chapter in Bradley's Adams classes the only tender changes were to inherit some 3.300 gallon tenders from Adams A12 class withdrawals, these looked almost identical to the 0395 ones except slightly larger, the print on the dimensioned drawings in Bradley I can't even read with a magnifier so can't state what dimensions were.
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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2015, 02:32:50 am »
Yes indeed... that is a small tender. But, UM will deliver, I'm sure.

I still have had no sensible answer from the forum.... yes, I know there's a thing called fikipedia (typo), but whence comes the name (Dean Goods)?


As someone else said, from the designer. No idea why I vaguely knew that as my interest in kettles is limited. Though I'd like to try a UM one out of curiosity (which would bring my kettle fleet up to 3... or four if you include "James")
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Anyway I see the upcoming NGS Journal has an article on how to build one from a kit, if you can't wait for UM to come up with the goods:

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=6307&start=60

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2015, 09:59:50 am »
The UM tender is a Drummond one, I've done a Google images search on the 0395 , none shown with a Drummond tender; A quick red through the 0395 chapter in Bradley's Adams classes the only tender changes were to inherit some 3.300 gallon tenders from Adams A12 class withdrawals, these looked almost identical to the 0395 ones except slightly larger, the print on the dimensioned drawings in Bradley I can't even read with a magnifier so can't state what dimensions were.

I'm no expert on SR matters, but the pictures I've seen of this class in BR days show a tender without a recess at the front of the side, but also without a toolbox on the rear as far as I can tell on all - but definitely including 30567 and 30577 - all I've seen had the small BR crest too.

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2015, 08:58:29 pm »
Looking at the pics of the Adams 0-6-0 the tender looks a bit like UM's "generic" small tender which is based on a Midland type.  I think the water filler has moved but very little else.

I've found it necessary to remodel tenders on just about all my UM locos to make them look more like the real thing- and for many of the LNER types that has involved buying a "loose" tender from Colin to get a smaller body and putting the displaced oversize one onto eBay....

All the very best
Les

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2015, 10:02:38 pm »
Les,

I'm thinking about a smaller tender for my D20 - how much have you paid for a spare tender and was this with, or without the drive mechanism and motor?

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Roy

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2015, 10:16:52 am »
Looking at the pics of the Adams 0-6-0 the tender looks a bit like UM's "generic" small tender which is based on a Midland type.  I think the water filler has moved but very little else.

I've found it necessary to remodel tenders on just about all my UM locos to make them look more like the real thing- and for many of the LNER types that has involved buying a "loose" tender from Colin to get a smaller body and putting the displaced oversize one onto eBay....

All the very best
Les

Hi Les

There are a number of other differences compared to the tender used for the MIdland 3F ( I have both), including chassis, front tool boxes, hand rails, overall length so I agree with Dorset Mike above that it is a reasonable representation of the Drummond tender

However, as you say it does seem to be oversize. The height and width seem to be about 1.5mm & 2mm larger than the drawings in LSWR Locomotives by Bradley suggest they should be, the height difference seems to have been achieved by increasing the distance between the top of the axle spring and the bottom of the tender sides

I'm considering reducing the height & width  of some of my tenders with a possible similar reduction in locomotive size, I'm not sure if modifying an existing tender body or building a new one from scratch would be the best way. I would be grateful if you could please give some more details about how you went about doing this?

Richard

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2015, 11:31:40 am »
I've used UM drives under hacked Worsley Works etched N/S and Langley white metal bodies, the etched bodies and probably scratch brass don't pull quite as well, less adhesion weight, white metal no problem, Ive also used one under a white metal BHE N15 tender -- with an extra pair of wheels.
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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2015, 07:31:30 pm »
I've just discovered this topic.
Do you know when this Dean Goods could be available ?  :drool:


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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2015, 09:59:55 am »
I've just discovered this topic.
Do you know when this Dean Goods could be available ?  :drool:

I spoke to Colin earlier this month, and he says it will be available in September.

Tried to persuade him to think about that LYR class 27 0-6-0, too ...
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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2015, 10:20:43 am »
Tried to persuade him to think about that LYR class 27 0-6-0, too ...
Definitely in keeping with things like the Adams 0395 in shape and mechanism, so seems a good proposal.

Since Colin H. doesn't like outside valve gear, I've always wondered if 'Turbomotive' wouldn't be a interesting choice.

Or what about GT3!?

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2015, 10:31:10 am »
My plea has been for a D34 "Glen".

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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2015, 10:34:03 am »
I'm looking forward to a Dean Goods (especially as it's a UM model).
Does Colin take advance orders does anyone know ?
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Re: Next Union Mills Model will be...
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2015, 10:39:59 am »
I'm looking forward to a Dean Goods (especially as it's a UM model).
Does Colin take advance orders does anyone know ?

I don't think so but to be honest I have never tried.

Roy

 

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