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Title: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 06, 2018, 09:52:43 am
Hi all, a little update, I wasnt happy with my original plan for Halwill jnc. so I binned it entirely which then got me thinking about another place in the WC where I can run my Favourite Hydraulic locos, so after searching about and some input from a few friends I settled on Burngullow which is just West of St Austell in Cornwall and the section of track adjacent to the now defunct "Blackpool Clay Dries"

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618093741-66085973.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618093739-66084283.jpeg)

Here is the track plan

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092445-660732473.jpeg)

The layout boards are those I was originally going to use for the first plan, so sticking to 11ft x 3ft over four boards for portability I began to lay the track, all points are medium or short Peco code 55 Electrofrog and each is coupled with a DCC Concepts Cobalt IP Digital point motor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092447-66078893.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092449-660801094.jpeg)

I want to try and make the layout as automated as possible, so for that I have two Digitrax DCS100 Control stations (one is used as a booster), these talk via loconet to a Digitrax PR4 (usb to loconet) device which allows for computer control using itrain or Traincontroller, the layout is built so each board is self contained with one or two block detectors located on the board to minimise inter board connections.  the layout is to be protected by a Digitrax PM42 power manager so that each board will have its own circuit breaker to avoid shorts and decoder destruction.

Below is the yard for the Clay sidings, some stock loaded on in order to work out where detection sections need to be and for placement of dapol uncoupling magnets...Whether or not this will work under automation is yet to be seen as each board has an unfortunate amount of wiring to install and glue down.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092447-660782264.jpeg)

Currently it has taken three weeks of evenings to wire the first board due to the complexity of the block sections

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092451-660801889.jpeg)

(DCC is two wires someone once told me!!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092453-66082714.jpeg)

So there we have it a wired board one!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618092452-660812484.jpeg)

Not a lot of track for all that wiring eh!???  :o :o

Here is a picture of the as yet unfinished Western end of the fiddle yard, I have yet to router out the edge of the boards and install copper plate to solder the track to

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-060618093742-66086479.jpeg)

The ends of the scenic section have yet to be attached and each will be finished with a road bridge over the line as per the original location, I am mulling over the "what if" scenario of GWR not closing the Burngullow station and it still being there along side the signal box in the mid to late 60's...

You might me wondering why there is only a small amount of ballast present, I did this to set the track in place so I could then razor saw the track as it crossed baseboard joins, I've found this to be just right for setting the track in place prior to cutting on other layouts.

More updates as I move forward, for now this is the only movement on the layout as board one is wired I was able to check the track polarity and move the first two points.!!





Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Bealman on June 06, 2018, 10:08:00 am
Brilliant.  :thumbsup: :beers:

Love the double heading panniers in the pic!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: weave on June 06, 2018, 11:39:31 am
Hi,

Looks great. The electrics will be completely over my head but look very neat.

Looking forward to the build.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Innovationgame on June 06, 2018, 12:13:50 pm
The points on the crossover you show on YouTube can be given the same digital ID and then they will both move together. That's what I've done with my new Cobalts.  It makes setting the crossover much simpler.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 06, 2018, 03:24:19 pm
The points on the crossover you show on YouTube can be given the same digital ID and then they will both move together. That's what I've done with my new Cobalts.  It makes setting the crossover much simpler.

They are set like that already, but thanks for the heads up :D
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 03:46:55 pm
It's looking very good, Paul (from someone who lives in a burngullow)
Your points sound like my knees when I get out of a chair.
The wiring looks extremely neat and, in fact, did not give me any sense of horror that certain members have inflicted on me with gratuitous pics of writhing wires.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: port perran on June 06, 2018, 04:09:05 pm
Nice to see another Cornish model.
Itís been done several times in both N and the gigger gauge by folk down here so interesting to see your take on it.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 06, 2018, 04:38:57 pm
When  will this one be for sale Paul ?
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Ben A on June 06, 2018, 10:52:13 pm
Hi Paul,

Nice work so far!  Can we occasionally run it with Class 66s, CDAs and HSTs to Penzance??

A Western can even put in an appearance on silver bullets - hired in!

https://flic.kr/p/ipjHf8

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Karhedron on June 07, 2018, 08:42:22 am
Looking really good. I cannot wait to see this one develop.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 07, 2018, 08:55:38 am
Hi Paul,

Nice work so far!  Can we occasionally run it with Class 66s, CDAs and HSTs to Penzance??

A Western can even put in an appearance on silver bullets - hired in!

https://flic.kr/p/ipjHf8

Cheers

Ben A.

That was the plan, as not much changed between 1970 and 2000..... So pretty much can decide an era for a show....

I'm intrigued if anyone has any pictures of N gauge layouts that have been based on this before please as when I started this idea a search returned nothing exact, yes there are layouts with clay dries etc but cant find what Port Perran mentions above..
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 08, 2018, 12:51:20 pm
So a bit more work over the last few evenings, installing Copper strip on the edges of the fiddle yard boards to stop rails coming away, then soldering the track to these in situe and once cold using a razor saw to cut through the board joins.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-080618124829-661871889.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-080618124829-661872163.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-080618124830-661951751.jpeg)

Only another 120 solder joints to make !!!....
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: scottishlocos on June 10, 2018, 01:03:08 pm
Paul

This looks wonderful China clay trains really look fab can't wait to this progress hopefully a 37 or 2 can make an appearance

Dave
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: RailGooner on June 10, 2018, 01:58:19 pm
The prototype location looks a perfect balance between rural calm and industrial activity. Enjoying what you've shown us thus far and looking forward to more. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: wookie on June 10, 2018, 08:14:53 pm
Superb work mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 13, 2018, 09:15:50 am
Morning all!.

Yesterday evening the rear fiddle yard went down, mainly to get an idea of length of trains it can store, so its very much a work in progress and the wibbly wobbly tracks will be straightened in time......  @Maurits71 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1374) popped over and we discussed whether to continue to use Train Controller or to move to iTrain instead....  Still undecided at present after a few hours discussing it  :worried:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-130618091218-664051790.jpeg)

Also put down some ballast as the RH board is fully wired now, then as usual got carried away and continued to lay it until I ran out :D
The ballast is from John at Green Scene and is made from ground peach stones I believe!....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-130618091218-6640556.jpeg)

Only now looking at the picture above have I realised the rear two lines were not supposed to be ballasted but have a hard standing !! DOH
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: weave on June 13, 2018, 09:43:14 am
Hi,

All looking good.

I like the colour of the ballast for my future Spanish layout. Ground peach stones, interesting. Any chance of a closer pic please?

Keep up the good work.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 13, 2018, 10:50:37 am
I'll be colouring that ballast with lots of brown muck to match the colour of the 1970's :D
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Ben A on June 13, 2018, 04:31:02 pm

Hi Paul,

That fiddle yard looks to have marginally more capacity than Tormouth.... nice!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 13, 2018, 05:17:19 pm
That really is looking good and at the  rate your going the layout will be ready for sale before Christmas Paul.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: acko22 on June 13, 2018, 05:35:56 pm
Morning all!.

@Maurits71 ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1374[/url])[/url] popped over and we discussed whether to continue to use Train Controller or to move to iTrain instead....  Still undecided at present after a few hours discussing it  :worried:



So i got use to one type of software and you have to make it a pain and think about going for another one! Just remember how much fun was to be had sorting that automated time table out!!!  :o
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 13, 2018, 06:03:45 pm
That really is looking good and at the  rate your going the layout will be ready for sale before Christmas Paul.
Bob Tidbury

Not for sale... ever
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Tank on June 14, 2018, 07:16:45 am
Excellent work so far. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Bealman on June 14, 2018, 07:30:26 am
Great progress there! I guess you could leave the sidings ballasted.....

Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Masher69 on June 14, 2018, 09:46:25 am
Very impressive neat wiring. Mine looks like spaghetti junction but somehow it works!!
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 16, 2018, 09:29:27 am
So after a quick thread tidy up, we move forwards with the main power board wiring

Using two digitrax control stations (one set in booster mode) through a digitrax power manager board to sqve decoders blowing and allocating one power feed for each of the four boards, ive also added a board to plug in the controllers with if we want to riun the layout manually

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-160618092520-66484424.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-160618092518-6648135.jpeg)

Also straightened the incredibly wonky fiddle yard track too

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-160618092517-664811765.jpeg)

So the hardest boards are done, twenty cobalt ip motors fitted, all down hill from here with me two wire dcc setup :D




Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Newportnobby on June 16, 2018, 12:36:49 pm
So you're doing 'Burngullow' with hydraulics and Bob Rowland is doing 'Bungallow' with hydraulics :hmmm:
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41392.msg513222#msg513222 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41392.msg513222#msg513222)

Any similarities?
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 16, 2018, 12:46:55 pm
So you're doing 'Burngullow' with hydraulics and Bob Rowland is doing 'Bungallow' with hydraulics :hmmm:
[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41392.msg513222#msg513222[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41392.msg513222#msg513222[/url])

Any similarities?


Well that will be confusing!! Havent actually thought of a name for mine.... although the pictures he has posted look nothing like Burngullow sidings lol!!..
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Ben A on June 16, 2018, 02:05:36 pm
Havent actually thought of a name for mine.... although the pictures he has posted look nothing like Burngullow sidings lol!!..

Hi there,

I believe the actual plant was known as Blackpool Dries (even more confusingly) so I guess you could always nod to that with, say, Bluepool Dries, or Whitepool Dries, or... you get the drift.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on June 22, 2018, 10:05:35 am
So with two boards fully wired I ran the first test train and the closest loco to hand that I could remember the DCC ID of was this cl20, so attached a few Clay wagons and gave it a whirl...



Board  four was the easiest of all boards to wire so that was next up, just three points and three block detectors on this one so only took a couple of hours.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-220618100455-667712188.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/1328-220618100455-66771125.jpeg)

Next was onto the 130 droppers for the fiddle yard !...... Overkill possibly, but making things stop exactly where I want is something I learned from previous layouts and incredibly useful!..... Each road on the Fiddle yard will hold two trains and their stock, whilst the centre two roads hold three smaller trains, so thats 11 trains and stock in each direction..

Board three the final one will be wired up over the coming week or two, then I can test it all out from end to end I hope..

Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Only Me on July 12, 2018, 09:08:15 am
Hi all, some positive movement on the layout, all connected together now and four working boards.  Need to add one more cross board dropper set for the UP FY to work correctly as missed a few wires off...With that in mind I've added the layout to Train Controller at present (itrain to follow!) for testing the block detection, pleased to say that it happily couples and uncouples automatically by computer control now.

Pictures showing magnet tests.. settled for the flush look one with some added ballast to try and resemble sleepers which I've cut away to mount the Dapol Easi Shunt magnet flush with the track, once its all painted weathered and scenery added it will be difficult to tell where they are...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/1328-120718090212-673752285.jpeg)

This picture shows the wagon space in the fiddle yards...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/1328-120718090214-673751007.jpeg)


A couple of videos showing coupling and uncoupling of the wagons.. The shunting will eventually be carried out by a pair of Hunslets when the N Gauge society finish them



Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Newportnobby on July 12, 2018, 10:46:13 am
Glad all works OK and encouraging to see slow forward motion over the magnet does not result in uncoupling. (2nd vid)
Title: Re: Burngullow & The Blackpool Clay Dries
Post by: Caz on July 12, 2018, 08:09:51 pm
Nice bit of camouflage Paul, great to see you're getting Train Controller to work.  I find the Dapol Easy Shunts really good to work with and providing the train maintains a forward (or even backward) motion they don't uncouple over a magnet, it is only relieving the tension by stopping and reversering that starts the uncouple action.