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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2015, 09:18:26 pm »
Sounds amazing! Just need the "track" clarified for me as I'm a simple soul but can definitely see a use for this!
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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2015, 09:33:00 pm »
However, I note track is not included
This needs to be clarified

Possibly owing to the variety of track makes required by different folks :hmmm:
The dimensions could be a sticking point as the height above baseboard level would dwarf smallish layouts and the width being set at 1400mm would not be enough for those requiring long trains i.e. more than loco + 8 coaches :-\

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2015, 09:36:47 pm »
the width being set at 1400mm would not be enough for those requiring long trains i.e. more than loco + 8 coaches :-\

Haha - I made the same point to Ben as I pointed out that you couldn't fit a Pendolino set in  :D. Ben assured me that the length would be customisable!

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2015, 09:37:30 pm »
I'm sure I've read somewhere that the modules can be made up to any length, short or long as the extrusion allows the trays to quite long without any droop, so if you've got the money a 14 coach train or so would be possible.   :)

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2015, 09:42:01 pm »
What I was really getting at is that the potential variety of sizes folks would be interested in purchasing would possibly negate the ability for Allen to buy certain components in bulk and would thus keep the cost to the customer relatively higher than the 'best guesstimate' of 600.

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2015, 09:44:54 pm »
Possibly owing to the variety of track makes required by different folks
The dimensions could be a sticking point as the height above baseboard level would dwarf smallish layouts and the width being set at 1400mm would not be enough for those requiring long trains i.e. more than loco + 8 coaches
Apologies, I appreciate there are different types of track
It is the connection method and how this is established
I plan to have full DCC and detection, and if only the powered track is connected then I would lose connection to all the other stock

I have two options, depending on how variable the storage length is
I can retain the longer tracks for full length HST
The middle tracks can then be replaced by the storage device, which forms the majority of the loco hauled trains
Equally, with Glasgow Queen Street the maximum train length is typically 6 coaches
The shorter tracks can then be used to store DMU and locos

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2015, 09:51:51 pm »
Hi Guys,

I think this really exciting, just thinl of the possibilities if he can develop it a little further.

I have a large home layout but I struggled to find enough space for gradients to allow a 20 bogie wagon freight to go up to the higher level smoothly.

How about a Nelevator were the train enters one end and then gets raised to the next level and then exits from the other end, suddenly we could have layouts with multiple levels but no steep gradients or helixes to get the trains up and down.

Course the biggest issue is that I don't think an 11 coach Pendolino will fit :D :D

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2015, 09:55:48 pm »
Possibly owing to the variety of track makes required by different folks
The dimensions could be a sticking point as the height above baseboard level would dwarf smallish layouts and the width being set at 1400mm would not be enough for those requiring long trains i.e. more than loco + 8 coaches
Apologies, I appreciate there are different types of track
It is the connection method and how this is established
I plan to have full DCC and detection, and if only the powered track is connected then I would lose connection to all the other stock

I have two options, depending on how variable the storage length is
I can retain the longer tracks for full length HST
The middle tracks can then be replaced by the storage device, which forms the majority of the loco hauled trains
Equally, with Glasgow Queen Street the maximum train length is typically 6 coaches
The shorter tracks can then be used to store DMU and locos

Hi Mike,

I think this is exactly the sort of modeller feedback Allen is after.  As he explained, at the moment he is at the stage of wanting to optimise his product for the "mass" market.

I am not sure about why the height is an issue - the Nelevator would have your layout's name printed on, and is intended to display the trains at the same time.  If you actually don't want to see it I guess you could just have a higher backscene?

cheers

Ben A.



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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2015, 10:31:52 pm »
I am not sure about why the height is an issue - the Nelevator would have your layout's name printed on, and is intended to display the trains at the same time.  If you actually don't want to see it I guess you could just have a higher backscene?
The layout is U-shaped and runs round the walls of the room
However, the fiddle yard cannot be any lower, there is a structure underneath it, so the lift will need to be mounted on to the baseboard

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2015, 07:39:08 am »
The layout is U-shaped and runs round the walls of the room
However, the fiddle yard cannot be any lower, there is a structure underneath it, so the lift will need to be mounted on to the baseboard
I've not seen it "in the flesh" yet, but surely, in order to access the top track the other ten tracks will be below baseboard level?

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2015, 07:51:51 am »
I am not sure about why the height is an issue - the Nelevator would have your layout's name printed on, and is intended to display the trains at the same time.  If you actually don't want to see it I guess you could just have a higher backscene?
The layout is U-shaped and runs round the walls of the room
However, the fiddle yard cannot be any lower, there is a structure underneath it, so the lift will need to be mounted on to the baseboard

Ah, OK.  The Nelevator has to sit both above and below baseboard level.

cheers

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2015, 08:48:18 am »
it sits I believe 500mm below the base board and 600mm above, as the trains need to enter & exit the fiddle yard correctly, for instance if the train on road one (bottom fiddle yard) needs to exit then there would be 9 levels above it and if train 10 (top of the fiddle yard) needs to exit then the other 9 fiddle yards would be below the board.

Hope that makes a little more sense.

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2015, 09:00:58 am »
Maybe I missed this, but how is it sealed against dust? Dust on trains (particularly modern superdetail models) is a major problem (risk of knocking bits off cleaning) which is a driver for some of us keeping our stock boxed when not in use. How does the Nelevator deal with that?

Cheers,
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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2015, 09:10:03 am »
Maybe I missed this, but how is it sealed against dust? Dust on trains (particularly modern superdetail models) is a major problem (risk of knocking bits off cleaning) which is a driver for some of us keeping our stock boxed when not in use. How does the Nelevator deal with that?

Cheers,
Alan

Hi Alan

Its not hermetically sealed but with the covers on and trains stored in the top position (track 10) dust ingress is limited to entering through the portals or up from the underside. I have thought about adding a filtered fan as an option to provide a positive pressure down flow. More cost but possible.

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Re: Nelevation - an automatic smart fiddle yard
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2015, 09:15:16 am »
dust ingress is limited to entering through the portals or up from the underside.

Could these areas be closed off when layout is not in use?

Cheers,
Alan
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