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Offline JanW

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SR push-pull coach(es)?
« on: November 13, 2017, 06:45:49 pm »
Ok, let me confess something first....
I'm building the branch line station of Blagdon as realistically as possible. GWR of course. Chose a year (1925), researched what trains were used on the branch and in what livery they should be. Progess is slow but it starts to look like a railway, all technical stuff is ready and I can run trains.
Until now I have some locos and a GWR railcar which are all GWR but in reality did not run on the line. The really appropriate stock is in a drawer in kit form.
So still a lot of modelling to do before my goal is achieved.

And now I have ordered a SR Terrier!! Completely inappropriate and I have no excuse to run it on my branch line. Couldn't resist any longer  :heart2:

Problem now is that I don't know what coach would fit.
It seems there is no rtr offering that would be suited to branch line use (2 coach trains is maximum for the layout).
I found a really nice kit of a 'balloon' push pull coach in the Etched Pixel range but I don't know if these were still used as single coaches later in their SR life (Terrier has a four digit number). Perhaps by then all of them were used in two-coach sets?
The question is if it would be a bit realistic if I ran a terrier with a four digit number with a single balloon coach. Would look nice...

I'm sure there are people around here who know all about SR practice!

Jan

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 08:54:03 pm »
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 08:55:29 pm »
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Brilliant.
Another diversionary route to Cornwall then ?  :)
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 09:14:10 pm »
We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian

Now that would be great!
Will take some time though, scenery iis shaped but only painted greyish, roads are light grey and trackbed is ply colour. Progress is VERY slow  :(

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 09:17:25 pm »
And pre-1949 is fine. Nothing changed at Blagdon station except for the trees that grew  :D

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 09:20:42 pm »
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Brilliant.
Another diversionary route to Cornwall then ?  :)

Tankers from Blagdon resevoir to the drought stricken South West? :D
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 09:27:01 pm »
I live in a bit of a time warp, Tardis style as do others here but we seem to connect from time to time! So if the train that leaves Blagdon is somewhat similar to that that arrives at Congersbury or even Withy Jct. then Tardis has been behaving itself.
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 10:56:06 pm »
Push pull driving coach hack from a Poole Farish suburban brake 3rd, I've got some pics of my hack I'll try and post them tomorrow.
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 09:45:50 am »
If you don't mind running around then the forthcoming Dapol Maunsell brake composite would make a plausible branchline train.

If you definitely want push-pull then this site gives some details.

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pp_01.html
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 11:36:19 am »
The Farish "suburban" non corridor coaches look reasonably like ex LSWR coaches I converted a couple of mine to represent the 50 footers by cutting off one compartment and shortening roof to fit these are OK for 1930s, from the mid 1930s the SR started "rebuilding" some of the older LSWR coaches by lengthening, sort of cut and shut, making say 2 coaches out of 3 or cutting a coach in half and adding compartments in the middle.

Hacking a Farish brake end to driving version, cut out part of each side swap the cut out bits to the other side as shown by the red arrows and cut windows in the end, the pic shows a piece of seating insert used to reinforce the join. The pics linked in Karhedrons post above show how the end shoiuld look.

As I model the 1930s I haven't tried any hacking of Ironclad or Maunsell brake 3rds, but you could probably get away with a similar hack.  The end result might not suit rivet counters but looks "close enough" at "normal viewing distances"



This pic shows a  50 footer with an unhacked coach behind


This is a pair of 50 foters with push pull fitted M7
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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 11:46:35 am »
The end result might not suit rivet counters but looks "close enough" at "normal viewing distances"

Considering that a Terrier at Blagdon would already be quite a way from home, I think that close enough would be good enough in this case. ;)
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 12:16:36 pm »
Many thanks Karhedron and Dorsetmike!
It seems there are several options.
The easiest would be to wait for the Maunsell composite.
On the website of the Southern e-group I saw that a train with one coach is also possible.
The first picture shows a Terrier with a balloon coach and another type of coach so now I think about making a set with the Etched Pixels balloon coach and a shortened Farish suburban.
And close enough will do. I think that a general impression with correct livery will do in this case.

About the terrier beeing far away from home: I actually bought it to convert it to Weston, Clevedon and Portishead Terrier number 4 which still ran in SR livery on the WC&PR. It only received new lettering so a Terrier would feel quite at home in Somerset  :)
Later I realised that a WC&PR loco at Blagdon would be just as unlikely as a SR version would be so I won't bother changing it.

But I do like to have a realistic train even if is not at home on the layout.

Jan

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 05:31:35 pm »
I have found that Etched Pixels do a kit for a ex SECR Railmotor Push Pull Two Coach Set on their website.
http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/catalogue/sr-secr.html

When they reopen don't know if this might be suitable, I am also looking into push pull set's for my Bordon branch station and might try the conversion suggested by @Dorsetmike if I get impatient  :D
My layout build: Bordon Light Railway http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=39031.0

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 05:41:10 pm »
I don't know if you know but GWR bought a pair of terriers off the Weston, Clevedon and Portishead? One of them "Portishead" spent time at Taunton and Bristol  and Dapol have manufactured it in N Gauge.

See dapol model http://www.osbornsmodels.com/dapol-2s-012-007-terrier-portishead-gwr-shirtbutton-38307-p.asp

I don't think they were fitted to work push pull with autocars but you could use Rule 1 or run them with a B Set

There is a bit about its history here:

http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No2_PortisheadTerrier.html

http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No4.html

« Last Edit: November 15, 2017, 05:45:04 pm by PaulinSouthMidlands »

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Re: SR push-pull coach(es)?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 06:15:07 pm »
Thanks!
They were bought by the GWR in 1940 if I'm not mistaken.
Main reason to buy the SR version was that I find the GWR livery quite boring on a terrier.
I'll let it run on Blagdon if nobody is watching  :angel:
Which is most of the time since it is in the attic and nobody else in our house is intetested in my model railway  :'(


 

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