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Any clues?
« on: October 31, 2017, 04:46:48 pm »
Noticed this on e-bay this afternoon. Rather puzzled as to its provenance, as the GN #5017 was a 1-C+C+1 boxcab !
Doesn't correspond to anything GN owned and spookshow.net draws a blank as to likely manufacturer.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/great-Northern-Railroad-loco-engine-No-5017livery-green-orange-livfree-postage/162728734317?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D48477%26meid%3D40b4f8608b9344e18e6b6f151fca51c0%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D162728734317&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%253Aba033af9-be59-11e7-a420-74dbd1808d6c%257Cparentrq%253A734b1f4815f0aa490121a8a2ffffa01d%257Ciid%253A1

Can't identify the chassis either - thought it was an Arnold GG1, but wheel spacing wrong.  Presumably a Japanese chassis of some sort with a scratchbuilt/kitbashed body?

EDIT - On closer examination (after posting) it looks as though two F unit cabs have been grafted on to something else !!!  - Interesting conversion though...
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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 05:13:31 pm »
Chassis could come from a Kato EF58.

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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 05:39:07 pm »
Grafting F cabs onto a Y-1 makes it a Y-1a, I think.  Looks like that was only for 5011 and not 5017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Y-1 so this is probably a kitbash on (I'm guessing here) a Kato chassis.  Interesting looking beast nevertheless!

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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 05:45:37 pm »
Yeah I've looked at that one and wondered where it came from.  Originally the seller had posted the wrong photos (from another lot) and I pinged them about the error.

I also reckon most likely a Kato chassis.  Did wonder if there was ever a magazine partwork model that could have been the source of the bodyshell, but no evidence.
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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 09:08:00 pm »
Grafting F cabs onto a Y-1 makes it a Y-1a, I think.  Looks like that was only for 5011 and not 5017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Y-1 so this is probably a kitbash on (I'm guessing here) a Kato chassis.  Interesting looking beast nevertheless!


I agree with Jon898, it looks like someone tried to kitbash a Y1a using various parts. As Jon898 indicated, the locomotive should be numbered 5011.





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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 07:02:16 am »
Chassis could come from a Kato EF58.

I dug out my Kato EF57 from its box and the EF57/58 certainly appears to be the source of the chassis.

Found you can actually get a body from Shapeways (at a price) for the larger GN W1 electric...
https://www.shapeways.com/product/XES8Y24N6/gn-w-1-heavy-electric-great-northern?optionId=43827101

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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 07:45:32 am »
That prototype photo is one very impressive locomotive. Love the livery too!
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Re: Any clues?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 02:04:58 pm »
Chassis could come from a Kato EF58.

I dug out my Kato EF57 from its box and the EF57/58 certainly appears to be the source of the chassis.

Found you can actually get a body from Shapeways (at a price) for the larger GN W1 electric...
https://www.shapeways.com/product/XES8Y24N6/gn-w-1-heavy-electric-great-northern?optionId=43827101

Definitely an EF58, though Tomix, MicroAce and Endou have also made EF58s in N so it might not be Kato.

The bodyshell puts me in mind of this vaguely similiar Milwaukee loco (I think I identified the possible prototype but forget what) I acquired as part of a job lot once, which had evidently been bashed together from two other bodyshells.

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