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Author Topic: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door  (Read 3081 times)

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2017, 09:30:55 pm »
"Another whimsy, prototype Deltic probably never ventured over the S&C"

Ah but it did! There are b&w pictures of it ahead of a dynanometer test train at Armathwaite and at Ais Gill dated about 1956 or so, part of the BR loco trials. I'll try to track it down for you. There's a prototype for everything - even Sir Nigel Gresley ran a scheduled service over the S&C, once, during East Coast floods. Brian
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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2017, 09:52:07 pm »
That sure is one impressive loco stud. My favourite period, too!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2017, 10:37:44 pm »
In August 2011 I went on a trip over the S & C behind this beauty...............




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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2017, 10:07:40 am »
After looking at Google maps, books and photographs, I've noticed that Ais Gill is on a slight curve.  Bearing in mind that the baseboard is only 6ft x 30ins, is it worth trying to emulate this or just keep the track straight?

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2017, 10:25:34 am »
After looking at Google maps, books and photographs, I've noticed that Ais Gill is on a slight curve.  Bearing in mind that the baseboard is only 6ft x 30ins, is it worth trying to emulate this or just keep the track straight?

For me, yes, definitely.

Slightly curved track looks so much better than straight track, less like a "train set" and more like a proper railway.  If the prototype is curved then it is a no-brainer.

There is a term "Parallel Track Syndrome" or PTS, where all track is laid straight, and exactly parallel to the edge of the baseboard.  This can extend to a state of mind when all roads on the layout are similarly parallel or perpendicular to track, backscene and baseboard edge, buildings are planted in square blocks; the real world has a much greater variety of angles and curves.

None of us is immune to this trap!

Cheers Jon  :)
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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2017, 11:36:46 am »

Wot he said.

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2017, 12:27:21 am »
With using a maximum of 14 inch radius on my outside curves and as the scenic part of the mainline is gently curved (as per the real location), surely I can use the gentle sweep of the curve to get a nice easement into the rather tight curves at each end of the baseboard?

Unless anyone else has a better idea?

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2017, 09:13:22 am »
rather tight curves at each end of the baseboard?


Depends on your definition of 'rather tight curves', Jools. Some locos will not tolerate anything less than about 11" radius :hmmm:

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2017, 09:58:46 am »
rather tight curves at each end of the baseboard?


Depends on your definition of 'rather tight curves', Jools. Some locos will not tolerate anything less than about 11" radius :hmmm:

I'm planning to use 14 inch radius on the outer curves, 12 on the inner.  Obviously I would liked to have used wider but I'm constrained by the width of the baseboard.  I just thought that if the scenic mainline has a gentle curve as per the prototype, it will make a nice gentle easement or transition into the end curves into the fiddle yard at the back and stop loco's lurching off.  I hope that makes sense?

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2017, 10:02:02 am »
How wide is your door?  You won't want the tracks too close to the edge.
With kind regards
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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2017, 10:05:37 am »
I am a huge fan of long sweeping curves, and if you can do it on the scenic side, bring it on.

They don't have to be too curved, either, from my interpretation. :thumbsup:
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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2017, 10:06:57 am »
How wide is your door?  You won't want the tracks too close to the edge.

It's a standard 6ft x 30 inch door.  I plan to have the track no more than 1 inch away from the edge, probably a inch and a half.  I also plan to have a raised edging at the ends to stop loco's and stock free falling onto the floor should a disaster happen!!!!!

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2017, 10:14:24 am »
I would probably go for R2/R3 for the hidden curves (10.5" and 12") allowing more space at the front for the "scenic" curve and general distance from the edge of the baseboard.

This is based on the assumption that any big steamer you are likely to run will go round R2......right kettle fans ???

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Re: Ais Gill on a standard internal house door
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2017, 10:41:10 am »
Another approach would be to bring the end curves round a bit further (i.e. pointing back into the middle of the board) and have a sweeping visible curve in the opposite direction.
With kind regards
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