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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2017, 11:12:05 pm »
This does look like an interest challenge, I think the dc wiring for the big bundle of points might be a nightmare, but I have only done dcc wiring so can't start to think how dc would work over that. Re you using electrofrog points?
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 09:47:50 am »
This does look like an interest challenge, I think the dc wiring for the big bundle of points might be a nightmare, but I have only done dcc wiring so can't start to think how dc would work over that. Re you using electrofrog points?

DC will be fine with the correctly placed insulated joiners, a few switches and a little bit of cab control...  To be fair I've not looked at the electrical side yet to any of the plans I've come up with, so they may get simplified if things get too complicated.  That said my previous attempts have all been single track with a station as a passing place or single track  ending at a terminus.

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2017, 01:04:01 pm »
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Here is another take on the dog-bone principle.  I've taken out the left hand drop down board and gone with something more conventional and moved the return loops over to the right hand side.  This will make life a little easier, without needing to deal with the drop down section in the doorway.  With the return loop now on a permanent board there is scope to hold a train at that end if desired In fact I could include a third loop using 9 inch radius curves.  One of the reasons for the dog-bone idea is to minimise handling of the stock and another to accommodate a couple of impending new arrivals.  I have a couple of CJM class 50's on order that will have front end detailing and the dog-bone idea means the loco's will not need to be turned.  Another use of the dog-bone also gives 20 trains to circulate rather than 10 on the outer circuit and 10 on the inner circuit.  The trains can go down to the end of the line and return later.  The thinking at the moment is that this is the penultimate station on the line and that the return loop at the bottom right would represent the terminus.  Nelly representing the rest of the line / network.  I'm thinking that the outward journey from the Nelly can be disguised by removable landscape of some sort, something to cover the loop and a removable low relief scene in front the long straight run in front of Nelly.  This will allow access for track cleaning and recovering the inevitable derailments that will happen once access is blocked...  The stabling point is pretty much a rule one feature.
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2017, 02:34:23 pm »
Yup. That works, and I can see lots of operating potential with that :thumbsup:

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2017, 04:12:13 pm »
Thanks Mick, I have to say it is growing on me.  There are a few compromises in it but nothing that I can't live with.  Operationally I feel I may have got what I want.  It has taken a lot of time, a lot of  :censored: and :veryangry: but, I think I may be there now!
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 05:04:41 pm »
John, a word of warning, try and use Nelevator as a storage siding rather than through lines. I didn't and since altered mine and it is now much improved. Have a look at my layout thread there are some similarities with your plan. I am moving shortly and working on an extended section to the left similar again to your original plan by the door. I have to trim 400mm off my existing layout to fit the new room but can see vast improvements on the horizon. I will try and post a proposed plan on my thread later. Good luck with it all.
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 05:32:30 pm »
Hi George, under normal operating I wouldn't have the same train running around in circles.  However you raise a valid point and I witnessed at least one derailment with a train departing from the Nelevator at their display at TINGS.  That said of course the display is a temporary set up so is subject to the disruption of being moved around and needing some tweaking to it's settings.  There will be times when I may just have a train continuously running round for the fun of it.  I'm intending to remain with conventional DC control as well.  Time to revisit the plan and make a slight adjustment!
I'm looking forward to seeing your revisions for your new home, when you have got yourself settled in. 
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 06:06:53 pm »
That looks like a very interesting plan.

I note that you are going to use DC control, as I do.  I sort of semi-understand it (on a good day)!

The trailing crossover at the left hand side of the station has the potential, I think, to create a reversing loop which will presumably need cunning electrical work.  Maybe I'm havering (Anglice: talking nonsense) and I'm sure wiser counsels than me will help if required.

Best wishes for what looks like a super layout with lots of train watching potential.

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 06:13:35 pm »
Should be ok with insulfrog points, no issue with my crossovers.
Geominster was my first project which has now been dismantled.

Having learnt so much from Geominster this is the new project.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30850.0

The original layout progress here
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=18319.msg184399#msg184399

Visit my new website here
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2017, 06:19:19 pm »
That looks like a very interesting plan.

I note that you are going to use DC control, as I do.  I sort of semi-understand it (on a good day)!

The trailing crossover at the left hand side of the station has the potential, I think, to create a reversing loop which will presumably need cunning electrical work.  Maybe I'm havering (Anglice: talking nonsense) and I'm sure wiser counsels than me will help if required.

Best wishes for what looks like a super layout with lots of train watching potential.

John
Thanks John,
The trailing Crossover shouldn't be too much of an issue.  Insulated joiners and a bit of cab control should keep things in order.
John

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2017, 07:05:34 pm »
Following the tip from George, here is a slightly revised plan that allows for a train to run continuously without the need to run through "Nelly".  It works in AnyRail so hopefully it will work in reality, when the time comes.

John

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2017, 10:12:59 am »
... It works in AnyRail so hopefully it will work in reality, when the time comes ...



Am watching with interest ... and the same hope for my own layout!

Cheers  :beers:

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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2018, 04:15:42 pm »
Well it has been a while, something like 5 months since I last visited this subject on the forum.  There as finally been some activity and I have some positive news in so far as my brother in law as had some time to produce some of his wood working magic at our house and apart from some finishing touches I now have blank canvas to work with!  Looking at it though there may need to be some tweaking or further compromises to the plan even though it has built to the dimensions used in Anyrail.  However that just be my poor sense of perspective!  I do share Martins' (Port Perrans) philosophy in that placing track is by far the best way to work when it comes to planning as it gives me a better perspective of what is achievable.  I've also made a couple of variations on the last plan shown on here, so I will see what transpires.  Code 55 is also looking to be the way forward due to the common geometry of the points.  I've ordered myself a Nelevator and the "infrastructure" is designed for it to drop in when it is ready.  Thankfully my intended design will allow for trains to run if "Nelly" is not delivered before I get to the track testing stage.  Although the way I am these days that remains to be seen!  The finishing touches are due to be completed the weekend after Easter, which also ties in nicely with my weekend off.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2018, 10:51:18 pm »
 :hellosign: Looking forward to the build  with interest
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Re: Making a fresh start
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2018, 09:15:48 pm »
Well the woodwork was been completed!  It is not conventional to say the least, but it is sound and unlikely to give any issues with warping.  Some track is down and I'm using the peco soldered fishplates for my droppers as my soldering skills are poor.  All the sections laid so far are temporarily wired up and testing is being undertaken as my track laying progresses.  I really need to get some pictures taken, because I know what you lot are like!  :P   

I've also been playing with the plan, there is a new version that combines some aspects of an earlier plan (the station in reply 4 but modified) and the one posted on the 28th September 2017.  That plan needs to be converted to an appropriate format and posted as well.  The Fareham layout with the truncated platform really appeals to me for some reason.  I think it is because it combines through running and the option for a terminating train where a fresh loco can drop on to the rear or a shunt release can be performed or even just the humble DMU arriving and departing.  Anyway the good thing is that I'm in no rush and the station area can be tried and I can have a play, sorry give it a good test and amend it before ballasting etc.  At the moment the DC wiring is not looking to be too complex, but I may be off to the appropriate area of the forum for some advice about switching between controller 1 and controller 2 at some point for the sections that need to be controlled by either controller as appropriate.  I'm using a Gaugemaster DS at present.  I also own two twin track GM Model D's one is the newer version and one is around 28 years old as is the single track GM 100M.  Both of these 28 year old veterans still work given the various moves and also some of the less than ideal storage conditions they have endured!

 

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