Ok, let me confess something first....
I'm building the branch line station of Blagdon as realistically as possible. GWR of course. Chose a year (1925), researched what trains were used on the branch and in what livery they should be. Progess is slow but it starts to look like a railway, all technical stuff is ready and I can run trains.
Until now I have some locos and a GWR railcar which are all GWR but in reality did not run on the line. The really appropriate stock is in a drawer in kit form.
So still a lot of modelling to do before my goal is achieved.
And now I have ordered a SR Terrier!! Completely inappropriate and I have no excuse to run it on my branch line. Couldn't resist any longer :heart2:
Problem now is that I don't know what coach would fit.
It seems there is no rtr offering that would be suited to branch line use (2 coach trains is maximum for the layout).
I found a really nice kit of a 'balloon' push pull coach in the Etched Pixel range but I don't know if these were still used as single coaches later in their SR life (Terrier has a four digit number). Perhaps by then all of them were used in two-coach sets?
The question is if it would be a bit realistic if I ran a terrier with a four digit number with a single balloon coach. Would look nice...
I'm sure there are people around here who know all about SR practice!
Jan
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Quote from: Mito on November 13, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Brilliant.
Another diversionary route to Cornwall then ? :)
Quote from: Mito on November 13, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Now that would be great!
Will take some time though, scenery iis shaped but only painted greyish, roads are light grey and trackbed is ply colour. Progress is VERY slow :(
And pre-1949 is fine. Nothing changed at Blagdon station except for the trees that grew :D
Quote from: port perran on November 13, 2017, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: Mito on November 13, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
Can't help you with Southern stuff but I've just torn up a bit of my layout to model Congresbury pre 1949. The junction will be transposed a bit further east in Somerset. We could perhaps run a few trains between Blagdon and Congresbury.
Cheers, Brian
Brilliant.
Another diversionary route to Cornwall then ? :)
Tankers from Blagdon resevoir to the drought stricken South West? :D
I live in a bit of a time warp, Tardis style as do others here but we seem to connect from time to time! So if the train that leaves Blagdon is somewhat similar to that that arrives at Congersbury or even Withy Jct. then Tardis has been behaving itself.
Push pull driving coach hack from a Poole Farish suburban brake 3rd, I've got some pics of my hack I'll try and post them tomorrow.
If you don't mind running around then the forthcoming Dapol Maunsell brake composite would make a plausible branchline train.
If you definitely want push-pull then this site gives some details.
http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pp_01.html (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pp_01.html)
The Farish "suburban" non corridor coaches look reasonably like ex LSWR coaches I converted a couple of mine to represent the 50 footers by cutting off one compartment and shortening roof to fit these are OK for 1930s, from the mid 1930s the SR started "rebuilding" some of the older LSWR coaches by lengthening, sort of cut and shut, making say 2 coaches out of 3 or cutting a coach in half and adding compartments in the middle.
Hacking a Farish brake end to driving version, cut out part of each side swap the cut out bits to the other side as shown by the red arrows and cut windows in the end, the pic shows a piece of seating insert used to reinforce the join. The pics linked in Karhedrons post above show how the end shoiuld look.
As I model the 1930s I haven't tried any hacking of Ironclad or Maunsell brake 3rds, but you could probably get away with a similar hack. The end result might not suit rivet counters but looks "close enough" at "normal viewing distances"
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_5/main_19531.jpg)
This pic shows a 50 footer with an unhacked coach behind
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_5/main_19529.jpg)
This is a pair of 50 foters with push pull fitted M7
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_5/main_19530.jpg)
Quote from: Dorsetmike on November 14, 2017, 11:36:19 AM
The end result might not suit rivet counters but looks "close enough" at "normal viewing distances"
Considering that a Terrier at Blagdon would already be quite a way from home, I think that close enough would be good enough in this case. ;)
Many thanks Karhedron and Dorsetmike!
It seems there are several options.
The easiest would be to wait for the Maunsell composite.
On the website of the Southern e-group I saw that a train with one coach is also possible.
The first picture shows a Terrier with a balloon coach and another type of coach so now I think about making a set with the Etched Pixels balloon coach and a shortened Farish suburban.
And close enough will do. I think that a general impression with correct livery will do in this case.
About the terrier beeing far away from home: I actually bought it to convert it to Weston, Clevedon and Portishead Terrier number 4 which still ran in SR livery on the WC&PR. It only received new lettering so a Terrier would feel quite at home in Somerset :)
Later I realised that a WC&PR loco at Blagdon would be just as unlikely as a SR version would be so I won't bother changing it.
But I do like to have a realistic train even if is not at home on the layout.
Jan
I have found that Etched Pixels do a kit for a ex SECR Railmotor Push Pull Two Coach Set on their website.
http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/catalogue/sr-secr.html (http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/catalogue/sr-secr.html)
When they reopen don't know if this might be suitable, I am also looking into push pull set's for my Bordon branch station and might try the conversion suggested by @Dorsetmike (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2855) if I get impatient :D
I don't know if you know but GWR bought a pair of terriers off the Weston, Clevedon and Portishead? One of them "Portishead" spent time at Taunton and Bristol and Dapol have manufactured it in N Gauge.
See dapol model http://www.osbornsmodels.com/dapol-2s-012-007-terrier-portishead-gwr-shirtbutton-38307-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/dapol-2s-012-007-terrier-portishead-gwr-shirtbutton-38307-p.asp)
I don't think they were fitted to work push pull with autocars but you could use Rule 1 or run them with a B Set
There is a bit about its history here:
http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No2_PortisheadTerrier.html (http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No2_PortisheadTerrier.html)
http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No4.html (http://www.wcpr.org.uk/No4.html)
Thanks!
They were bought by the GWR in 1940 if I'm not mistaken.
Main reason to buy the SR version was that I find the GWR livery quite boring on a terrier.
I'll let it run on Blagdon if nobody is watching :angel:
Which is most of the time since it is in the attic and nobody else in our house is intetested in my model railway :'(
Etched Pixels also do an LBSCR 'Balloon' push pull.
http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/catalogue/lbscr.html (http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/catalogue/lbscr.html)
Worsley Works also produce an ex LBSCR push-pull set...
http://worsleyworks.co.uk/2mm/2mm_Southern_Pregroup_LBSCR.htm (http://worsleyworks.co.uk/2mm/2mm_Southern_Pregroup_LBSCR.htm)
Quote from: JanW on November 13, 2017, 06:45:49 PM
Chose a year (1925)...
And now I have ordered a SR Terrier!! ...Terrier has a four digit number.
Hi Jan
If your layout is set in 1925 then the four digit Terrier number is incorrect. There would be a small 'B' above the number and the number itself would be three digits - 659 in your case, if you have the Dapol Terrier I'm thinking of.
An alternative option would be to carry out a little bit of easy hacking to turn it into the LSWR's sole surviving secondhand Terrier, E735, which was mostly in storage until withdrawal in 1930 but which you could say is out for a bit of emergency cover due to a loco shortage.
Quote from: CarriageShed on November 20, 2017, 01:15:11 PM
If your layout is set in 1925 then the four digit Terrier number is incorrect.
Thank you for pointing that out but since the terrier does not fit in the setting of the layout - GWR branch line - I don't mind that it does not fit the period.
I see it as a 'fun train' as described by David Jenkinson in his book 'Historic Railway modelling'.
No way to justify running it on the layout but I like it.
Earlier in this thread Karhedron posted a link to the Southern e group and it seems that one coach trains were possible, even if photos usually show two coach trains.
I've decided to buy a balloon coach from Etched Pixels when they are back in business again.
Thanks for the information everyone!
Jan