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Title: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2014, 03:34:09 pm
Hello from a complete noob!
I've always fancied building a scenic model railway, but when I was a kid the board in my bedroom would have the train set on it one week, and the scalextrix the next.
I tried again when my own sons were old enough, but they were more into computer games, and so the whole lot got sold.
I now have 3 young grandsons, and whether they like it or not, grandad is going to play with them with his train set!
Space is limited, so it is going to be N gauge and in modules.
I am going to attempt to build it to exhibition standard, and have joined the NGS and my local group, who have been very helpful.
My knowledge of the railways is very limited, I have to confess.
More from cowardice than for any other reason I plumped for pre-war GWR, as I figured that I could run anything that said GWR on it quite safely. I now realise that I have a mixture of locos with "Great Western", GWR and the shirt button on them, so am covering 3 different periods already! Further reading reveals that I am looking at about 4 different coach colour schemes too - what have I let myself in for? Some of the books that I have read depict rolling stock in old liveries still being run on branch lines way after colours were changed, so (again the cowards route) I will place my layout in 1946 and run them all together  :D
I have just finished making the base boards for "Wookery". The main scenic section is 4'6" x 2'6", and there are 2'6" x 1'6" sections with return loops to go on each end. There will be a small fiddle yard at the rear of the scenic section. I figure that I can then add further modules in the future and possibly end up with an L shaped layout.
My first module will be very "busy" with a two track mainline so that I can run the long stuff, and two branch lines coming into the station, with a run around loop and a turntable. To the rear another line will enter from the fiddle yard supplying 5 sidings, where there will be a range of goods sheds, factories and coal yards - as much industry as I can cram in.
Not very protypical I know, but I've planned it this way because I have 3 grandsons to keep amused (hopefully) and I want to have plenty to do to keep viewers entertained at exhibitions.
Operation will be DCC via a Roco multimaus controller. I'm not sure that any of my locos are DCC ready, so that could be my first stumbling point........
The bases are constructed from 6mm plywood, raised 4" on plinths of the same material. I have sealed the surfaces with diluted UPVA, and the next job is to lay cork strips ready for the track laying. Scenery on this first module will of necessity be minimal, probably confined to road bridges scanning track at either end and leading to a high-level "High Street" across the back and partly over the fiddle yard. Module two will be scenic, I promise!
However, without even laying a track yet, I have a question - I have purchased some conflats with GWR furniture containers, putrely cos I loved the look of them, and I am wondering how these would have been lifted from the trucks onto waiting flatbed lorries - would a simple yard crane have been sufficient, or would they need something more substantial? Would they even have been handled at a branch line goods yard, or would they have been transhipped only at more major yards?
Thank you for your patience with a nooby (even if he is an OLD nooby) and any help appreciated!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Oldun on March 06, 2014, 03:51:33 pm
Welcome to the forum 'wookie'

Having read your post, welcome to 'rule 1'. "It's my railway and I'll run what I like" :D

Roger
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 06, 2014, 04:09:41 pm
Hi Wookie, and welcome to the forum :wave:
I like the sound of your plan, especially as you have ignited a light bulb in my brain cell about running a goods yard off the hidden fiddle yard - Thank You. :thumbsup:
I'm no authority on the containers but I would imagine in those days (pre fork lift trucks) they may have just craned them off using chains :hmmm:
I'm sure someone will know.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 06, 2014, 04:10:39 pm
Welcome. I can only re-enforce what Oldun said. Rule 1 definitely applies. Run what you like when you like.
Plenty of advice on here and good to see another GWR/WR coming along.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: davieb on March 06, 2014, 04:58:12 pm
Hi Wookie welcome to the forum  :thumbsup:

looking forward to seeing some pictures of your progress  :camera:

Sorry I can't answer your question about the conflats but you may find what you are looking for on this website

http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/index.htm#bash (http://www.igg.org.uk/gansg/index.htm#bash)

Hope this helps  :hmmm:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2014, 05:14:48 pm
I'd already found that site Dave, but couldn't find an answer  :(
Well, under rule 1 it would seem that they are gonna get unloaded by a humble yard crane.
Rule 1 sounds very similar to the football in the playground rule....it's my my ball so I'm team captain  :D

Thanks for the welcomes everybody.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 06, 2014, 06:53:17 pm
Welcome to the friendly forum Wookie, nice to have you with us.  Have a good look around and I am sure someone on here will know the answer to your query.
 :welcomesign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: scotsoft on March 06, 2014, 07:30:39 pm
Welcome aboard Wookie  :thumbsup:

From reading your post I would hesitate to call you a noob, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge and a clear idea of what you want to do  ;)

I hope you enjoy your time spent on the forum  :wave:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: petercharlesfagg on March 06, 2014, 07:49:43 pm
 :welcomesign:

Peter.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2014, 09:22:48 pm
Welcome, Wookie.

Containers were removed from Conflats, as far as I know, either by gantry cranes like the one at the top of the Wenfordbridge branch (I can send you a picture in a PM as it is copyright I cannot put it here) or four-wheeled self-powered mobile cranes like the Coles one (at least they were Coles in BR days); it is not difficult to make a model crane of either gantry (there is a kit available) or mobile (it has been described on the forum). I'm amassing Conflats and Containers for my layout as they were very common in North Cornwall up to the end of the 1960s so have an interest in this topic.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2014, 10:51:46 pm
Thanks Chris. I think either of those would be too big to have been used at a small branch line terminus.
I guess my conflats will just have to be on the mainline through trains and look pretty  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2014, 01:18:42 pm
Well, Wookie, it really depends on whether there is enough freight business to justify the investment in the overhead gantry crane (which is likely to have been put up before BR when virtually all goods went by rail). The requisite industry can be 'off scene' and that is why Containers are used to tranship goods in the goods yard for road transport to a factory, abattoir (a lot of meat was shipped in insulated Containers), etc. which does not have rail access and whose customers do not have rail access either. So, if you want to have a gantry crane and Containers on Conflats, you can. After all the end of the Wenfordbridge branch had a gantry crane and I've photos of Containers on Conflats on the branch which is in a rural area. There is a prototype for everything! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 07, 2014, 01:24:37 pm
Hmmm ok. Could you send me some of those photos then please. As it turns out, I might not have room for the turntable I intended to use, so maybe I'll have a bit more room for a crane of some sort.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2014, 01:48:31 pm
OK, Wookie. Please, give me some time to find the photos, scan them and email them to you as I have a lot of books on North Cornwall!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 08, 2014, 12:35:46 pm
I've found and scanned the pictures of the Wenford Bridge Terminus with its 1926 5-ton Overhead Gantry Crane and Conflats and Containers which I think will be just what you're looking for. If you send me a private message with your email address I'll send them to you.

Knightwing make a N SCALE MODEL DOUBLE TRACK GANTRY CRANE (UNPAINTED and UNASSEMBLED) KIT that looks suitable.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 11, 2014, 07:04:25 pm
Thanks Chris, I have PM'd you.

Well, my navvies have been very busy!
(Is it PC to say that these days?)

Here is the first pic of my layout.
The 3 sections are now joined and levelled and I have stuck down cork tiles on the main areas that will carry track. In the scenic areas this will be trimmed back to the sides of tracks, with a bevelled edge, to form the main ballast shaping.
I have now laid the tracks for the two complete loops...just have one more set of points to add (I cleaned out my local shop, waiting for the next delivery) and then I have the fiddly job of fitting the pieces that bridge the board joins.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/layout.JPG)

Now I have to teach myself how to solder, so that I can wire it up, then hopefully I can start playing  :D

.....and here is the masterplan!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/plan.JPG)

I've had to adapt it slightly, as I am using streamline electrofrog points instead of the settrack I planned with. Because the points and crossings are longer in streamline I've had to move the station along slightly so that I can fit at least two coaches in on the platform next to the through lines. This in turn means that the turntable may have to be pushed back a bit, or even missed off - but I hope not!
Using streamline means I'll be able to fit another track in at the back of the fiddle yard, which is good as I was a little worried by the shortage of spare sidings.
The problem will be completely solved when I get round to the second big module as I will then be able to put another fiddle yard at the back, with loads of sidings beside the two through lines.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 11, 2014, 07:18:15 pm
Looking good, Mike. I've just replied to your PM. I'm also planning to use cork underlay. I've read, on the forum, the trick is to weigh it down with heavy books until the glue has set and to help prevent air bubbles.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 11, 2014, 07:20:00 pm
I think I'm going to have to prioritise working out how to fit some legs to the boards, as my back and knees are killing me from working on the floor!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 11, 2014, 07:21:41 pm
Can't you put in on a table with newspaper underneath? Definitely you need to work on it at a comfortable height!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 11, 2014, 08:00:33 pm
No we don't have a table big enough
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 11, 2014, 08:03:09 pm
How about a wallpaper table / trestles?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Avis1434 on March 11, 2014, 08:34:36 pm
Hi Wookie

Making good progress on your layout.

I am just a bit concerned that the headshunt at the end of the track coming in from the fiddle yard seems a bit short and will restrict the number of wagons etc that can be shunted back into the longer sidings. :worried:

Perhaps you want to consider the track from the fiddle yard coming in earlier and at a lesser angle or pushing your left hand backdrop further to the left to give you a longer headshunt to let the loco reverse its wagons into those sidings. Just a thought.Better to iron out a possible problem BEFORE you lay the track.

As others have said before - just follow the track round and imagine you are the train to see if the track formations fit your requirements.

I look forward to seeing the layout progress in the coming weeks.

PS Did you use PVA to glue down the cork floor squares?

Cheers

Murray
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 11, 2014, 08:41:18 pm
Yes, the headshunt needs to be as long as possible even if that means going into the backscene?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 11, 2014, 09:13:26 pm
I wasn't really too bothered about the headshunt length to be honest as I only intended bringing in a couple of wagons at a time.
I could possibly bring it through from the fiddle yard a bit further back and perhaps extend the first siding to serve the factory instead of the third one.
The head shunt would obstruct the road/branch platform then though.
As you suggest Chris, it's easy enough to take it through the side scenery if I decide it needs to be longer - I'll just have to build another road bridge.
It might have to be a viaduct as that side already has to span four tracks and a road :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 11, 2014, 09:24:26 pm
You can always recess the end of the headshunt into the backscene with some overhanging trees, for example to hide the break. (that is how I plan to hide where the Cant Cove Castle Estate branch (in a cutting, too) passes through the backscene and into the small fiddle yard along the back of the layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2014, 07:30:26 am

PS Did you use PVA to glue down the cork floor squares?


Yes I did, and Wickes cheapest pack of cork tiles.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2014, 07:39:48 am
Looking at your trackplan, you definitely have room to extend not only the headshunt (which i would strongly advise as it makes for more interesting shunting in the yard to have a longer train) but also the loco shed using a low relief front for the shed as has been done by several layouts on this forum (e.g., see: Teignbridge, Langstone & Holcombe), that way you'll still have room for the turntable, too.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2014, 05:31:54 pm
Yay, I can play!

For somebody who has only done a tiny amount of soldering (badly!) in my life, I am quite proud of myself......

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/wiring.JPG)

A bit of a cats cradle, but I will tidy it up later. Some of it is only temporary anyway, as I have made no provision for breaking down the modules at the moment, but I just wanted to get something running! I can only run one train at a time for now as it is wired DCC and I have no DCC trains at the moment  :( (soon to be rectified!!!) so I have wired in an old Hornby DC controller.

The rails serving the station are now in place as well....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/station.JPG)

One slight problem is that the crossings both work fine when approached via the mainlines, but are dead when crossed diagonally. I relised that this is because they have points at both ends that are joined with insulated joiners. It is now a problem to get wires to the diagonals - I can get one to each side but at opposite ends. Will this still work OK? See, I told you I'm a noob  :o

At least I can play....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/trains.JPG)

An autocoach and railcar stand at what will be platforms 2 & 3.
OK, I cheated as I can only have one running at a time, but I claim rule one  :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2014, 06:09:00 pm
Looking good. I like the autotrain and the GWR Diesel Railcar. I have a BR Green Late Crest 14XX and two old design autocoaches (crimson and blood and custard) but want two of the BR WR design autocoaches instead as, to me, they look much better. I also have a GWR Diesel Railcar in GWR livery and one in BR WR Green.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2014, 06:19:30 pm
I would love a railcar in Express Parcels livery but unfortunately there isn't one in N.
I think a conversion is beyond my very limited capabilities  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2014, 07:13:23 pm
Ah, yes, the GWR diesel parcels cars. Yes, me, too. I'm not aware of any kit and finding a chassis would be expensive, I think?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2014, 07:35:12 pm
Parcel car singular in the prototype, there was only one.
Lima did an OO version, and I have seen a scratchbuilt OO too.
I would buy another railcar and hack it if I felt my modelling is good enough.
Sadly it isn't  :'(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2014, 07:44:47 pm
Parcel car singular in the prototype, there was only one.
Lima did an OO version, and I have seen a scratchbuilt OO too.
I would buy another railcar and hack it if I felt my modelling is good enough.
Sadly it isn't  :'(

Yes, indeed, No. 17. The WR had rather more Diesel Parcels Cars than the GWR's solitary one.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 18, 2014, 08:18:12 pm
A GWR parcels car would look good. If you do try to model one, I'll be keen to see the outcome.
In fact, I haven't got a railcar at all but it would look good on Port Perran I think). Hmmmmmm!!
I have two autocoaches (blood & custard & maroon) currently running with a pannier but am awaiting the new release Dapol 14XX and autocoach which is due imminently.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2014, 08:22:54 pm
My Dapol 14XX is in the LONG queue for DCC fitting at Wickness, long because i can only afford to pay for one or two locos. to be fitted per month! I'm also waiting for the new BR WR design autocoaches. I want at least one, ideally two. Then I'll sell off my plain maroon old one and the blood and custard one will be set aside for a future weed-killing train control coach!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 18, 2014, 08:25:21 pm
Yay, I can play!

For somebody who has only done a tiny amount of soldering (badly!) in my life, I am quite proud of myself......


Plenty of wiring there and well done with the soldering. I know what you mean, I've just wired up 19 points and couldn't believe how much wire I needed. I also had my first real experience of soldering and was pleased with what I achieved.
Enjoy running your trains !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: EtchedPixels on March 18, 2014, 09:50:32 pm
Parcel car singular in the prototype, there was only one.

Two 8)

17 and 34

The parcels unit body kit is actually not too hard to build. Adam Warr also did a vinyl conversion.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2014, 10:05:48 pm
There is a kit?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 20, 2014, 09:31:50 pm
Parcel car singular in the prototype, there was only one.

Two 8)

17 and 34

I THOUGHT there was more than one; I forgot the second number, 34.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 20, 2014, 10:13:07 pm
Yes, I found the kit - very nice. You have to be prepared to sacrifice a railcar to use the chassis, which is fair enough but I'm not sure that I am up to the painting skills required. I'll have to see if any club members are prepared to help me if I decide to go for it. It won't be for a while yet anyway, much too much else to do.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 05, 2014, 05:36:26 pm
Hmmmmm......2 hours painting rust on rails, and I think I did less than 20% of what needs doing  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chinahand on April 06, 2014, 09:25:35 am
Hi Wookie. Just found your thread and you seems to be making good progress on your layout. I'm actually modelling exactly the same GWR period but for slightly different reasons so I will be interested to see how you progress.

As regards a GWR Express Parcels railcar, Electra Graphics do a vinyl overlay which is applied over the top of the standard railcar sides to make the conversion.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 06, 2014, 09:33:38 am
Wow! So they do!
It looks pretty cool too.....

I had never heard of them - thanks for the tip. Definitely worth a go I think.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 12, 2014, 04:58:26 pm
Well, all my engines have come back from Coastal DCC where Kevin has done an excellent job of converting them for me.
I really can't understand why so many people sell locos on eBay "because I am converting to DCC" - if it is running well, get it converted!

Of course I had to abandon the rusty rail painting in favour of playing.....er sorry.....thoroughly test running all the rolling stock  :D

Things have moved on a bit from my last pictures, as you can see:


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display1.JPG)

Castle Clun thunders through Wookery with the up express. passing a small freight string of empty private owners heading downline.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display2.JPG)

Various branch line traffic stands at the platforms of the incomplete station.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display3.JPG)

King Edward II emerges from one of the engine sheds.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display4.JPG)

All my industrial buildings have been heavily grimed/weathered. There won't be much room for greenery on this module!


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display5.JPG)

Conflats being shunted past the very dillapidated coal yard towards the siding where the yard crane will be located.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display6.JPG)

The sidings to some of the industrial buildings. The space to the right will house a goods shed (not yet built) and Chris in Prague's suggestion of a knightwing yard crane (not yet purchased)  ::)


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display7.JPG)

The view down the approximate route of the road.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display8.JPG)

Heavy industry.


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/display9.JPG)

I'm undecided about this chemical plant building, so it hasn't had my paint treatment yet. It is very modern looking, but it also has an art deco sort of look to it as well, which would perhaps make it fit in with the 30's. By the time I have given it a black felt roof in the same way as the large engine shed, and rusted the corrugated left hand roof I think it may fit the bill - what do you all think?
I also have space for a car mechanics garage.
The road will eventually meander up a hill in the distance (finally some grass), and join a raised level High Street which will run across the back of the module, over part of the fiddle yard. I've taken forum advice and the headshunt has been extended through the side scene into the next module to give more shunting potential.
You will notice that sidings have also altered since the original plan, to accommodate the lovely industrial buildings that I picked up on fleabay.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 12, 2014, 05:32:19 pm
Glad to be of help with the yard crane suggestion. 8-)

The 'chemical plant building' looks, to me like a dairy which would quite likely be a quite modern looking building with an art deco sort of look to it and a dairy would certainly fit in with the 30's and give you an excuse to run a daily train in of empty six-wheeled dairy tankers in and one out of filled ones. However, they would, I think, all have to be of the same diary brand. Maybe the vertical tanks would need to be painted aluminium rather than brown?

If you do choose to make it a dairy, I would just lightly weather the roofs as they are rather than repaint them to represent felt and rusty iron. For obvious reasons, the outside of dairy buildings was normally kept clean and tidy! (Which is more than can be said, sometimes, for the milk tanker wagons, judging by prototype photos, at least in the BR era!)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 12, 2014, 05:33:17 pm
Coming along very well, Wookie, although the proximity of the main line to the board edge has me very worried :worried:
Will you be fitting some sort of guard against derailment/plummeting to the floor?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 12, 2014, 05:51:19 pm
Glad to be of help with the yard crane suggestion. 8-)

The 'chemical plant building' looks, to me like a dairy which would quite likely be a quite modern looking building with an art deco sort of look to it and a dairy would certainly fit in with the 30's and give you an excuse to run a daily train in of empty six-wheeled dairy tankers in and one out of filled ones. However, they would, I think, all have to be of the same diary brand. Maybe the vertical tanks would need to be painted aluminium rather than brown?

If you do choose to make it a dairy, I would just lightly weather the roofs as they are rather than repaint them to represent felt and rusty iron. For obvious reasons, the outside of dairy buildings was normally kept clean and tidy! (Which is more than can be said, sometimes, for the milk tanker wagons, judging by prototype photos, at least in the BR era!)

I hadn't considered a dairy Chris.......hmm interesting. It would have to be repositioned on the layout though, to get it next to a siding for those milk tankers.  Can't say I've seen any pre-war tankers, I'll have to have a look around. I have some syphon vans......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 12, 2014, 05:52:26 pm
Coming along very well, Wookie, although the proximity of the main line to the board edge has me very worried :worried:
Will you be fitting some sort of guard against derailment/plummeting to the floor?

There will be a thick piece of perspex along the front mate......more for protection from little fingers than anything  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 12, 2014, 06:08:17 pm
Glad to be of help with the yard crane suggestion. 8-)

The 'chemical plant building' looks, to me like a dairy which would quite likely be a quite modern looking building with an art deco sort of look to it and a dairy would certainly fit in with the 30's and give you an excuse to run a daily train in of empty six-wheeled dairy tankers in and one out of filled ones. However, they would, I think, all have to be of the same diary brand. Maybe the vertical tanks would need to be painted aluminium rather than brown?

If you do choose to make it a dairy, I would just lightly weather the roofs as they are rather than repaint them to represent felt and rusty iron. For obvious reasons, the outside of dairy buildings was normally kept clean and tidy! (Which is more than can be said, sometimes, for the milk tanker wagons, judging by prototype photos, at least in the BR era!)

I hadn't considered a dairy Chris.......hmm interesting. It would have to be repositioned on the layout though, to get it next to a siding for those milk tankers.  Can't say I've seen any pre-war tankers, I'll have to have a look around. I have some syphon vans......

I think the pre-war passenger-rated milk tank wagons were the four-wheeled ones (like Peco made) which can be found, sometimes, on eBay) but, yes, Siphons would be used, too, for carrying milk churns, although I do not know when they stopped being used for this traffic. I'm sure that others more knowledgeable about the 1930s can clarify?

You'd only need one siding for the dairy, I think.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 12, 2014, 06:22:59 pm
Coming along very well, Wookie, although the proximity of the main line to the board edge has me very worried :worried:
Will you be fitting some sort of guard against derailment/plummeting to the floor?

There will be a thick piece of perspex along the front mate......more for protection from little fingers than anything  :o

Thanks. I'll be interested to know where you source the Perspex from as the stuff I have is too flimsy really :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 12, 2014, 07:03:58 pm
We have a pretty good plastics shop here, and they cut it to whatever sizes you want
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2014, 07:23:20 pm
Yes, probably only a single siding for the creamery. Generally, 4 wheel tankers were used in the 30s to carry milk (6 wheelers were later introduced due to their smoother running). Siphons were used up to the late 50s (I think) to carry churns although this traffic was very much declining by then. Siphons are very typical of the 30s.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 13, 2014, 11:02:34 pm
Whoops! Completely forgot that I had a kit for another factory. Made it up today and it's big, with a big loading platform! The only place that I can fit it in is beside the headshunt, which isn't ideal, but it will have to do. The road has to be diverted too......I see what you all meant about ideas & plans changing as you work things out.
My worry with using the dairy building (I agree that it looks more like a dairy) is how tankers would have been loaded/unloaded. Surely some form of pumping system would have to be in place?
I assume that these are the type of tankers referred to:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Peco-2x-United-Dairies-Milk-Tanker-Wagons-UNBOXED-/201066289609?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ed07c19c9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Peco-2x-United-Dairies-Milk-Tanker-Wagons-UNBOXED-/201066289609?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ed07c19c9)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 21, 2014, 05:35:03 pm
Just for Chris in Prague.......


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/crane.JPG)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 21, 2014, 05:38:32 pm
Looking good as ever. Please keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 06:11:56 pm
Thanks for the picture of the overhead crane in position with the GWR Conflats in place. It's looking better and better. My apologies for not replying earlier. There's a very good article about milk tanker wagons in the latest NGS magazine. If you send me a PM with your email address I'll send you a scanned version as it answers a lot of your questions. In general, milk tanker wagons replaced Siphons for carrying milk from the late 1920s (1926 in West Cornwall on the GWR). To improve high-speed running the four-wheel milk tankers were converted / replaced by six-wheeled ones.

I can send you a picture of the loading apparatus at Torrington for milk tankers, it was a metal framework supporting overhead filling apparatus but I don't know if it was only introduced post-WW2? I believe that the milk tankers could also be filled from ground level using hoses with some form of pressurisation?

The correct term is / was a Creamery. You can see one on a friend, Carl's superb N Gauge WR layout, Vale of Oxbury  (I can send you the link). His dairy is the Mark 2 building with now just a single siding (the first was too big). Its based on Wallingford Creamery. He does not have any (visible) means of filling the milk tankers.

Hope this helps a bit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 21, 2014, 06:41:25 pm
You already have my email Chris from when you sent me the crane pictures
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 06:56:52 pm
You already have my email Chris from when you sent me the crane pictures

MY apologies; yes, of course I do. (I've spent most of Easter reading student theses so my brain is rather numb!)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 21, 2014, 07:03:02 pm
No problem  :D

I have actually placed the creamery/dairy at the end of the station platform now, with doors opening onto the platform, so that churns can be taken straight in as they are delivered. Churns must have still been used postwar as there are syphon vans in BR liveries. I believe I've even seen some in BR blue.
I've had a radical rethink on the buildings and after a lot of trial and error I have managed to get them all into suitable position and keep the headshunt clear. They don't look quite so striking now, but it's a good compromise I think.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 07:19:19 pm
If your layout is set around the mid-1920s, Mike, then I think you can use GWR Siphons (the body type modelled by Dapol) for carrying milk in churns. Later, (the later Lima body type in BR days) Siphons were used for parcels traffic by the GWR and BR WR (including some painted BR Blue) and later still, under BR WR, in the BR Blue period for carrying Engine Parts to / from Swindon Works 'ENPARTS'  so the later type of bogie Siphon (the body type modelled by Lima) lasted long after the GWR. I believe the Lima Palethorpes Sausages Siphon is fictitious, however?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 07:40:53 pm
A quick check reveals that, alas, the Lima Palethorpes Sausage Van is indeed not authentic, they are merely inside framed GWR SIPHON Gs with spurious Palethorpes livery applied (I bought mine for use as a BR WR dirty brown livery parcels van but will need to transplant the body onto one of my spare Dapol outside frame Siphon chassis).

Genuine Palethorpes sausage vans were :-

GWR Diagram O46 6-wheeled van (I'd like to make one of these as my father remembers seeing them on the WR)

LMS Diagram 1955 6-wheeled van

LMS Diagram 1957 bogie van

LMS Diagram 1958 4-wheeled van

LMS Diagram 2001 bogie corridor van

I think kits are / were available for the GWR one and, at least one of the LMS ones?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 07:43:34 pm
I look forward to seeing the new dairy / creamery next to your station, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 21, 2014, 08:04:46 pm
Growing up in  Wiltshire, I remember (in the dim and distant past!) seeing the daily "Sausage & Souls " trains to/ from the Harris Sausage factory near Calne. Running to Chippenham, On the Calne branch,  consisting of a single passenger coach(usually) and one/two sausage vans. For the life of me, I can't remember which vans were used in those days but I have some pictures, somewhere, which I can look up.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 21, 2014, 08:58:27 pm
The Harris Sausage Vans I was not aware of, Port Perran. Sounds very interesting. If you find the pics. I'd love to see them. (I do know about the Harris factory and the Clane branch though.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 21, 2014, 10:03:25 pm
I'll look them up.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 22, 2014, 08:14:27 am
I'll look them up.

Thanks, Martin.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: EtchedPixels on April 22, 2014, 12:07:18 pm
GWR Diagram O46 6-wheeled van (I'd like to make one of these as my father remembers seeing them on the WR)

NTastic do the GWR/WR version

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LMS Diagram 1955 6-wheeled van

Mill Lane Sidings

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LMS Diagram 1957 bogie van

Me


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LMS Diagram 1958 4-wheeled van

Mill lane sidings although I believe it's been discontinued

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LMS Diagram 2001 bogie corridor van

Me (both versions)

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I think kits are / were available for the GWR one and, at least one of the LMS ones?

All of them are covered I believe. There was also an earlier LNWR one I think. I'd have to look in the book.

For the Siphon the Lima body is indeed bogus for the Palethorpes livery.

Alan
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 22, 2014, 05:33:06 pm
I'll look them up.
The pictures I have are not great but it looks like the vans were old Siphon G's (usually 2) although in one photo it appears that they  also used 4 wheel box vans. These were unmarked and didn't carry any C&T Harris logos etc.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 22, 2014, 06:01:59 pm
Many thanks Alan (Etched Pixels) and Martin (Port Perran).

I think the Castle Estate will also have a line of Cornish Sausages to add to the goods traffic on the Castle Estate Branch at Cant Cove. Another use for Siphon Gs and box vans, then. Maybe I'll make some tiny Castle Cornish Sausages stickers to go on the vans!

The N'tasic Website does not make it easy to find the GWR/WR Sausage Van. 8-( Only the GWR/BR S13 Fish Van comes up. (Although that would be interesting to model, too, for me.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 22, 2014, 06:10:44 pm
Those Cornish sausages sound very tasty !!
Can't (no pun intended) wait to try one drekly.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 22, 2014, 06:33:41 pm
The Castle Estate has very entrepreneurial management! 8-) Cornish sausages with Cornish beer should be very popular! 8-) And, of course, they should be producing genuine Cornish pasties, too.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 22, 2014, 07:35:48 pm
And, of course, they should be producing genuine Cornish pasties, too.

That's absolutely NO Carrots.  Very little causes as much fervour down here as supposedly genuine Cornish pasties with carrots inside !!!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 22, 2014, 07:49:10 pm
Oh, yes, I do realise, NO carrots, Martin. I used to buy and enjoy Ginsters (I believe they also made them for Marks & Spencer, too?)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 05:15:04 pm
It's amazing what you can achieve if you just have the bottle to give it a try.
A friend told me that he doesn't use Seep point motors as the soldering is too difficult.
I went into my local shop yesterday for Peco motors and they persuaded me that Seep are cheaper, more robust, and can have built in accessory switches.
I had no soldering experience prior to starting the wiring of my rails, and I just sat down to have a go with these.
Result.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/motor.JPG)

I think I'll award myself a star  :D
Mind you, I have 4 x 25 wire connectors to solder yet, which will be the big test.
Get all the wiring right, with all the points and LEDs working, and I think it will be a GOLD star
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2014, 05:39:36 pm
Mike, I truly am super impressed. I'm trying to avoid even trying soldering.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: belstone on April 29, 2014, 05:51:08 pm
What are you planning to use the built in switches for?  I found that with N gauge points having such a short throw compared to OO, the motor only operates over about a third of its intended travel, which makes the switching operation a bit hit and miss.  I solved the problem by putting pivoting forked arms on my motors to reduce the travel - perhaps some kind soul would like to do a fret of these in etched nickel silver as I'm not sure how long my brass ones will last.

(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx178/glencoyne/points004_zpscb848550.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: ChrisB on April 29, 2014, 06:09:05 pm
Apart from F which might pull lose, a damn good job for a first attempt. Definitely award yourself a star (and a beer)  :-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 06:42:42 pm
F is actually better than it looks in the angle of the photo  ;)
I'm wiring the accessory switch to show an LED on each branch of the points on my controller so that I can see at a glance which way they are set.
I considered saving them for operating signals, but I don't have a clue how I am going to signal the layout hahaha

I'm now going to tackle another motor - fingers crossed. Then only about 20 more to go!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 07:06:21 pm
Got better organised with the second one - tinned all the terminals and wires beforehand.
Number two finished in about 3 or 4 minutes.
Makes you wonder what all the fuss is about  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on April 29, 2014, 07:38:08 pm
The other way to ensure the throw is big enough is to pack the motor away from the underside of the baseboard by another 10mm or so as this markedly increase the wobble factor of the pin and therefore the throw.  My baseboard is 10 mm thick and like you found they didn't throw enough but by packing it out another 10mm it works everytime.    ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 08:27:03 pm
Mike, I truly am super impressed. I'm trying to avoid even trying soldering.

How do you wire your layout then Chris?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on April 29, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
I have 4 x 25 wire connectors to solder yet, which will be the big test.
Get all the wiring right, with all the points and LEDs working, and I think it will be a GOLD star

Have fun with those 25 wire connectors. By the time I had done four I was spitting fire!

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2014, 09:24:44 pm
Mike, I truly am super impressed. I'm trying to avoid even trying soldering.
I had never tried soldering until I decided to add Seeps to Port Perran. It really is quite easy once you get the hang of it so do give it a try Chris.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 09:26:14 pm
I'd rather fix the control box  to the layout permanently and not use connectors, but I've been advised that this isn't a good idea as there will be times when you need to remove it to work on it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2014, 09:27:43 pm
I'd definitely have the control box removable. I used choc box connectors that plug into each other.
http://www.railroomelectronics.co.uk/Plugs-Sockets/Plugable-Terminal-Blocks/Page1.aspx (http://www.railroomelectronics.co.uk/Plugs-Sockets/Plugable-Terminal-Blocks/Page1.aspx)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2014, 09:35:14 pm
Yes I've seen those, some of the guys in our club use them tempoarily before switching over to the 25 wire connectors.  The choc blocks can be a devil to plug together!
Probably easier to correct if you get the wiring wrong though  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 29, 2014, 09:42:51 pm
Probably easier to correct if you get the wiring wrong though  :D
That's why I used them plus I didn't fancy all the very fiddly soldering to a 25pin D connector.
I find the choc box connectors fit together Ok, it's getting them apart again which is awkward. I've found it's easier if you don't push them together too tightly.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 29, 2014, 09:59:18 pm
Mike, I truly am super impressed. I'm trying to avoid even trying soldering.

How do you wire your layout then Chris?

Well, the plan is that, at the beginning all points will be hand operated and I will buy droppers presoldered to track joiners and feed the DCC that way. Coping with a frog juicer for my three-way point will be demanding enough, I think!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 30, 2014, 07:56:36 pm
You should just go for it Chris, it's well worth a try.
Practice on some old pieces of track.

I got the point motors working  :o
I took on board whiteswans comments as my board is only 6mm ply.
I glued two pieces of ply under each motor, with slots cut in them. Three layers of ply plus the cork tiles on top mean the motors are 20mm away from points.
I couldn't get them working at first, I think the extra packing made the slots too tight, so I cut away the middle sections of the extra pieces, leaving the motor supported at either end.
Got them working fine after that. Haven't tried wiring the LED lights yet, just happy to have the motors working.
Have to buy a load more motors now!

I've changed the scenario for my layout. I've decided that the branch line is a preserved GWR line, and the rest is 1965 BR
My rolling stock has been increased by 3 Westerns (2 maroon, 1 green), a class 20 baby warship, a class 14 shunter and a 2 car 101 DMU, so I have a couple with working lights now - fantastic!

I am now completely skint  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 30, 2014, 08:32:32 pm

My rolling stock has been increased by 3 Westerns (2 maroon, 1 green), a class 20 baby warship, a class 14 shunter and a 2 car 101 DMU, so I have a couple with working lights now - fantastic!

I am now completely skint  :D

Not surprised after shelling out for that lot :o
I like your style, though :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on May 01, 2014, 01:00:16 am
I got the point motors working

Have you got all of them working with the light switches? That seems to me be the most sensitive with respect to the position. I found that the easiest solution was to make a couple of saw cuts in the motor from each end, thus turning the mounting holes into slots. You could then use fine adjustment to get them exactly in the right position. Once you achieve this, everything is hunky-dory.

Bob

PS I used a temporary LED before I had the mimic panel that could easily be attached to each point conector block so that I could move the motor back and forth until it lit up correctly.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 01, 2014, 08:00:26 am
No I haven't got the LEDs working yet, I was just intent on getting the motors up and running. I'll buy a few more motors and then start installing switches and LEDs on the mimic board. The LEDs have to be on a separate power supply as they have to have a resistor in the circuit or they will blow, but I don't want a reduced power output to the motors!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on May 01, 2014, 10:44:48 am
No I haven't got the LEDs working yet, I was just intent on getting the motors up and running. I'll buy a few more motors and then start installing switches and LEDs on the mimic board. The LEDs have to be on a separate power supply as they have to have a resistor in the circuit or they will blow, but I don't want a reduced power output to the motors!


Yes, me too re power supply. I mounted the resistors on a small piece of pcb - you can just about make them out on this link to my construction thread (reply 37) http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=18410.30 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=18410.30)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 01, 2014, 10:57:19 am
I love the panels on your controllers Bob, how did you produce those?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on May 01, 2014, 11:40:29 am
I love the panels on your controllers Bob, how did you produce those?
I made the frame from some beech I had left over from another job and fixed some 6mm ply on top. The diagrams were drawn with MS Paint and then printed onto light card with holes cut for the LED's using a leather punch. These lined up with holes drilled into the plywood. They were then covered with some acrylic sheet which, again, I had left over from another job (I hoard stuff better than a squirrel). I would have preferred to do just one panel, but that would have been enormous, so with a bit of juggling I ended up with three.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 01, 2014, 02:30:47 pm
It looks very nice Bob.
Mine will have two control boxes too, but I think that they will only have drawn lines, or maybe insulating tape tracks.

I know that you lot like pictures of trains, so here are some of my new engines......

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/warship.jpg)

The baby warship passes the 101 DMU at the station.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/westerns.jpg)

A bevy of beautiful Westerns on parade.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/DMU.jpg)

The Wookery Preservation Society are working the preserved branch line today.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/class14.JPG)

The new class 14 shunts a siphon van

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/shunter.jpg)

A new 08 diesel shunts the wagon out again.
I bought this new at an exhibition last Sunday, THEN found out that a 14 would be more appropriate for my Bristol area-based layout!
So the 08 may be going on eBay, haven't made my mind up yet




Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 01, 2014, 02:48:56 pm
Looks great. Good to see so many WR hydraulics. The Class 22 looks the part.
I think the 08 is fine for Bristol area but the number is wrong !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 02, 2014, 07:26:34 am
Very nice pictures. A green Class 03 (as well as a Class 08) with a D series number would also be appropriate for the Bristol area.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 08, 2014, 04:58:34 pm
Well, after 3 solid days of hard slog with a soldering iron, I'm feeling quite chuffed with myself  :D
Remember the cat's cradle of my wiring after I'd wired the power bus?

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/wiring.JPG)

I had been so intent on making sure the droppers reached the bus, a lot of them were far too long, and it didn't occur to me to shorten them as I soldered them on!  :goggleeyes:
Once I started wiring the point motors (6 wires per motor) I realised that I was gonna have a major problem so I went through and shortened all the droppers and resoldered it all.

All 11 points in the station area are now working from toggle switches on the control panel and just look at the difference now!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/wiring2.jpg)

Next job is to build the box backing for the control panel, and then try to get all the LED route indicators working........... :(

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 08, 2014, 05:02:04 pm
A highly impressive piece of work of which i am seriously in awe.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 08, 2014, 06:55:11 pm
Nice bit of "elecktrickery" there and looks pretty tidy. Well done.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: grumbeast on May 08, 2014, 06:56:11 pm
Can't wait to see the progress here, it's going to be lovely, but you wiring is making me green (the proper colour!) with envy :)

Graham
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 10, 2014, 11:35:58 am
Well it's another big  :thankyousign: to whiteswan for the advice about packing out the point motors.
I just connected the first pair of LED's to a motor and they worked first time!
Look brilliant too.
woohoo!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2014, 11:48:26 am
Well it's another big  :thankyousign: to whiteswan for the advice about packing out the point motors.
I just connected the first pair of LED's to a motor and they worked first time!
Look brilliant too.
woohoo!

Excellent news. You're inspiring me to hope that I could also motorise my points, too! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 12, 2014, 03:01:06 pm
Here you go Chris, if a complete novice like me with big clumsy (and shaky) hands can manage it, anybody can!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/connector.jpg)

130 solders later (2 x 25 pin connectors and 1 x 15 pin, both pieces) it's all done!
Actually it was a lot more than that as I had done a load before I discovered heat shrink, and so redid them  :goggleeyes:

Tip: get in the habit of putting the heat shrink on the wire before you start, even if it is unconnected at the other end, because if you don't sods law says that the one you forget will be already soldered at the other end!
Sods law number two says that when you forget to put the HS on first, the wire will solder brilliantly first time, but when you go to re-solder it with the HS it will be an absolute  :censored: !!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 12, 2014, 03:06:04 pm
Thanks. Highly impressive. You must have a lot of things to connect.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on May 12, 2014, 04:24:28 pm
Strewth!
That looks great :admiration:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 12, 2014, 07:07:25 pm
Well, they say that pride comes before a fall and

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Took my photo, plugged in all the connectors....and one point had stopped working. Luckily that wasn't too hard to put right (although heat shrink is a damn sight easier to put on than take off) as I only had to track back two wires, and one of them had snapped at the connector. Re-soldered it and points work fine. Not so lucky on the LED front. Of six pairs so far installed four pairs work perfectly. Another pair, one works perfectly, the other intermittently - it will come on, then go off, or not come on at first but does after a while. Maybe a cracked wire somewhere at a guess, although I don't have a lot of faith in the LED holder harnesses. The sixth pair are stone dead which I suppose suggested a bad connection on a wire that is common to both LED's. I'm too tired to think about it.

I really do wish the model shop hadn't suggested point motors with built in  :censored: accessory switches! I would have been quite happy with ordinary motors.
They have doubles the amount of wiring needed. The LEDs that do work do look nice, lighting up the route on my control panel though......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on May 12, 2014, 07:12:44 pm
Oh dear that last  post reminds me of some of my failures, but with perseverance and hard graft they work out ok in the end. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 12, 2014, 07:51:14 pm
When I installed point motors I went through the same problem. Particularly when I switched on for the first time when I had a similar experience with a couple not working. It took a while to track the problem back but it is worth the effort in the end.
I can't comment on the LED problem I'm afraid as I went for simplicity but do persevere , it will be worth it when it all works.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tim.hynd on May 12, 2014, 08:05:16 pm
Read your first post with the photo in thinking that wiring looks brilliant, would love to achieve that... I'm definitely gonna do that with my control panel! Press next page and suddenly all my fears are written down in front of me.  :doh:

I'm intending to build my baseboards this/next week and hope to have it all wired up pretty much exactly the same as you wookie by the end of next month; even the LEDs on the panel, so will be following your progress with great interest!

Hope it all sorts itself out without too much hassle! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 12, 2014, 08:10:08 pm
I will NOT be installing point motors, at first, but will leave provision to do so.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 12, 2014, 08:14:12 pm
The point motors were easy Chris, it's the b****y accessory switches!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 12, 2014, 08:22:43 pm
Well, I expected points to be easier than the wiring and you've just confirmed that! However, as Cant Cove is very much of a learning exercise I will include provision for Cobalt point motors and three main wiring circuits will be installed under the baseboard for connecting power.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 12, 2014, 08:45:23 pm
One other small point to make re point motors and I'd be interested if others have experienced the same concerns the height of the connecting vertical point motor rod.
I have used Seeps and all works fine but..........unless you cut the vertical connecting rod almost flush with the tie bar on the points then Dapol panniers (with their very low outside framing) catch the rod.
I didn't allow for this initially (as I had used a different loco to test the points)then had to go round trimming (carefully) the point motor rods at the top to allow my panniers to pass by unhindered (and underailed [new word!!]).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tim.hynd on May 12, 2014, 08:53:28 pm
What size heat shrink did you use Wookie, or anyone else that's done this? Is the 'mm' size once it's been shrunk or before hand? Cheers
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 12, 2014, 09:22:19 pm
um.....dunno
My guess would be size pre-shrunk.
I just asked for heat shrink that fitted the wire they sold me  :D

I've just read an article in the new Railway Modeller. Quote: "A point indicator system that I built by modifying the motors to incorporate a sliding contact switch wired to LEDs was only partially successful. It required an awful lot of fiddling to make it work successfully"
Oh woe is me...
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 13, 2014, 03:25:37 pm
Well, I solved both problems. One was fairly logical, the other so off the wall I would never have even dreamed of thinking of it.
I spent two hours this morning painstakingly checking all my wiring, cutting off the heat shrink at the connectors, checking the solder joint, then re-doing.
Everything perfect. So, I thought that the intermittent fault must be the point motor in some way. When I checked it, I hadn't quite centred it to the slot enough. It was good enough to trigger the points, but the solenoid didn't move far enough in one direction to trigger the switch for the LED that side. That's easily sorted by moving the motor.
This made me wonder about the one that wasn't working at all. It looked to be moving freely enough, but to be on the safe side I unscrewed it from the board and threw the switches. Solenoid moved fine, but not a beep from the LEDs. I looked very carefully at the motor - I've never used motors before so one looks much like another to me, but something didn't look quite right so I compared it with one that was working. Immediately I spotted that the spring and slider was missing!
I headed back to the model shop for a new one - their comment was "Oh we've had that before, where they have packed a PM2 (no switches) in a PM1 packet by mistake at the factory." Soldered the new one in its place and everything worked perfectly first time!
THANK YOU SO MUCH GAUGEMASTER/SEEP you wasted so much of my time and made me tear my (already sparce) hair out for nothing!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on May 13, 2014, 03:42:26 pm
All's well that ends well (apart from you needing a follicle graft) :thumbsup:
Glad you managed to sort it - well done.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2014, 04:20:38 pm
How VERY annoying and how would a 'newbie' know the difference if the wrong point (turnout) had been sold in the right box!

At least, finally, you were able to sort the problems out and will know what to look out for, in future.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 13, 2014, 04:28:03 pm
Thanks nobby. The nice thing is that it was none of my soldering/wiring that was wrong.
For a first ever attempt, that is an achievement in itself.

And at least it now does what I want from it.
All the points approaching my station are on the other side of the layout from my control position, and with the platforms and station buildings in place it is nigh on impossible to see how the points are set.
I can now see at a glance how the approach lines are set:

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/panel.jpg)

That's six done and five more to do. My local shop is out of the LEDs and harnesses now so I have to wait for them to get some more in stock.
All can do in the meantime is play test the layout  :D
Excuse the Heath Robinson panel, I'm not up to making anything on a level with some of the wonderful creations some of you have come up with.
Once I've slapped a coat of paint on it and redrawn the layout with a permanent marker, hopefully it will look OK.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tim.hynd on May 13, 2014, 05:02:48 pm
It's like watching my construction play out in front of my eyes two weeks before I start!

Great to hear you got it all working. Looking forward to the next update.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 13, 2014, 08:15:29 pm
It will be so worth it when it's all systems go and you will be glad you did it.
I'm so pleased with my point motors. I can now run trains without having to stand up to change points every two seconds.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2014, 08:32:38 pm
It will be so worth it when it's all systems go and you will be glad you did it.
I'm so pleased with my point motors. I can now run trains without having to stand up to change points every two seconds.

"I can now run trains without having to stand up to change points every two seconds." Excellent point, Martin. However, as Cant Cove has no continuous running I don't mind hand-operating points for shunting, at least, for a while.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 14, 2014, 07:46:22 pm
Does anybody have an uncoupling method that they can recommend?
I tried one of the Peco manual types, with a thought to powering it somehow under the board, but it seems to be a piece of rubbish  :(
Reading up on other methods they seem to need new couplings, or adapting existing ones which looks a) expensive b) too fiddly for my big clumsy fingers!
I don't really fancy having to change the couplings on most of my rolling stock.....any ideas?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2014, 07:49:01 pm
Does anybody have an uncoupling method that they can recommend?
I tried one of the Peco manual types, with a thought to powering it somehow under the board, but it seems to be a piece of rubbish  :(
Reading up on other methods they seem to need new couplings, or adapting existing ones which looks a) expensive b) too fiddly for my big clumsy fingers!
I don't really fancy having to change the couplings on most of my rolling stock.....any ideas?

THis is a problem which continues to exercise minds greater than my own! I await the responses with great interest if there is not already a thread about this on the NGF?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 14, 2014, 08:02:43 pm
Here , here.
I tried constructing my own which involved raising a piece of angled metal. It did work but.....only if I managed to stop the wagons to be parted in EXACTLY (and I mean EXACTLY) the right place which I did about 1 in 100 attempts !
Gave up and abandoned the whole thing.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 14, 2014, 08:09:03 pm
I just spent half an hour (with considerable cursing and throwing things) just trying to replace a coupling that had come off.
New couplings are NOT an option for me!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2014, 08:18:37 pm
I just spent half an hour (with considerable cursing and throwing things) just trying to replace a coupling that had come off.
New couplings are NOT an option for me!

Me neither.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 14, 2014, 08:53:38 pm
This layout is supposed to be my stress relief therapy after having heart trouble - at this rate it's going to put me back in hospital!  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2014, 09:00:42 pm
This layout is supposed to be my stress relief therapy after having heart trouble - at this rate it's going to put me back in hospital!  :o

Take it easy; it's ONLY a model railway. It is supposed to be fun not stressful.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on May 16, 2014, 12:51:44 am
Take it easy; it's ONLY a model railway. It is supposed to be fun not stressful.

You must be joking. Just spent two hours trying to get an impossible CAD program to print out my latest model to the right scale. Blooming computers!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 01, 2014, 02:57:07 pm
NOTE TO SELF: When the soldering iron slips off its rest and is heading for the floor LET IT DROP don't try to catch it.

(Three fingers now covered in plasters with copious applications of Germolene)  :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 03:38:55 pm
O U C H ! Really sorry to read that. Hope your fingers heal soon.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on June 01, 2014, 04:53:31 pm
NOTE TO SELF: When the soldering iron slips off its rest and is heading for the floor LET IT DROP don't try to catch it.

(Three fingers now covered in plasters with copious applications of Germolene)  :-[
::)
Tried that 3 weeks ago today and still have the scars on 1 finger.
(have now bought a  Kevlar glove via ebay which block out heat for when Im soldering)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 04:56:47 pm
Before I even ATTEMPT any soldering I need to buy a Kevlar glove, too! 8-(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 05:02:03 pm
A quick search on eBay UK brought up a wide range. Which ones did you buy, please, Jon? Oven gloves?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 01, 2014, 05:12:50 pm
Thanks Chris

That won't stop you John - you'll try to catch it with the ungloved hand  :D

I have some wonderful blisters coming as of course the damn iron stuck to my fingers didn't it? Grrrrrr

Hasn't stopped my navvies from working though.
I found it hard to get started at first as I've had a a couple of weeks off due to a holiday followed by a couple of family crises but I'm back in the swing of it now.
All points and LEDs now working for the station area control box, am now working on the motors etc for goods yard, 2nd control panel is all finished.

I've already realised that my fiddle yard is totally inadequate for serious train running as I don't have enough storage space to be able to park up long trains that aren't actually running. Somebody at my club pointed out how I can fit in a couple of very long sidings, so it will be back to track layingh in the next few days!

Next module will be just two lines on the display side, backed by a b****y great fiddle yard  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 05:22:54 pm
I'm planning to buy a PAIR of Kevlar gloves! However, I realise that soldering in gloves is NOT practical so I will just have to keep the left hand gloved and HOPE I will remember to catch with my LEFT hand. 8-(.

I am very impressed with your electrical skills.  :photospleasesign:

Stock storage IS a serious problem. I'm selling off what I really don't need but, even so, have four big stock boxes! I'm trying to keep to a one in, one out policy, at least. So, having just bought my first 2 BR SR Green Bulleid coaches (SK and CK) have sold 3 BR SR Green Mk 1s (BCK, BSK, and CK). I'm also trying to keep to only having two of each type of wagon . . .
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 01, 2014, 06:54:16 pm
At least you are now talking about DOING some soldering Chris  :D

I think that you have too many Hymeks and need to sell one hahaha
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on June 01, 2014, 06:56:19 pm
I'm also trying to keep to only having two of each type of wagon . . .

Not running any block trains then, Chris?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on June 01, 2014, 06:59:59 pm
What about your three China Clay wagons then ??? :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 07:01:57 pm
I know I WILL have to do some soldering but I have bought enough fishplates with presoldered wires for now, plus wires for my three-way point.  :thankyousign:

Alas, I DID have three BR Green SWP Class 35 Hymeks; but I sold the non-DCC fitted one and the other two have been renumbered to long-time Laira examples (D7028, D7090) and their underframes and bogies lightly weathered by Pauline McKenna so they are not for sale. Sorry. (I have a picture of Exmouth Junction shed, around 1965 with two Class 35s and a Class 22 stabled there. So whilst rare in Cornwall they were seen there.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 07:09:34 pm
Definitely NOT any block trains. Parcels trains, yes (all those Cornish Fisherman's jumpers sold mail order); mixed goods, yes, to / from Cant Cove, the Castle Estate and Penmayne. My three open china clay wagons, from Wenfordbridge, are only passing through Cant Cove on their way to / from the C&W fitter at Penmayne. There being no china clay deposits in the Padstow / Penmayne area.

HOWEVER, I do have a rake of Lima BR Freightliner wagons which will run to Cant Cove for photographic purposes as Lady Penelope's PR agency has the contract for BR's Freightliner service! (I used to have a rake of Lima Freightliner wagons on my original N Gauge layout 30 years ago when it was 'Modern Image'!) I think they will look good behind D1662 "isambard Kingdom Brunel", ex-works. Alas, I don't think it was dual-braked back in 1965. WHAT did haul Freightliner trains in 1965? Or were the wagons dual-braked?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on June 01, 2014, 07:12:00 pm
A quick search on eBay UK brought up a wide range. Which ones did you buy, please, Jon? Oven gloves?
It just looks like an ordinary woolen glove. An oven glove would be silly.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: EtchedPixels on June 01, 2014, 07:13:46 pm
Cant Cove for photographic purposes as Lady Penelope's PR agency has the contract for BR's Freightliner service!


So you'll also need a motorail vehicle and one of these
(http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/234/230_l.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 07:31:31 pm
Lady Penelope of Trevelver Castle, near Cant Cove, was the inspiration for the character of the same name in Gerry Anderson's most famous and popular series, "Thunderbirds" (1964–1966). As Michael Caine said: "Not many people know that!" 8-)

An N Scale version of FAB1 would, of course, be an excellent idea! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on June 01, 2014, 07:41:14 pm
An N Scale version of FAB1 would, of course, be an excellent idea! 8-)
With Parker saying "Yes M'Lady" of course.

I used to love those trees that used to lay down to let one of the Thunderbirds take off. Was that Thunderbird 1,2,3 or 4 >
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2014, 07:42:59 pm
I have a suitable N Scale figure for Lady Penelope; I think I can find one for Parker, too.

It was Thunderbird 2 as it was the biggest Thunderbird.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 02, 2014, 12:29:22 pm
Of course Sod's Law says that two point motors will have to go exactly where you have glued choc block connectors under the board, and a third has to go right under one of the cross bracing pieces  :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on June 02, 2014, 01:38:12 pm
Of course Sod's Law says that two point motors will have to go exactly where you have glued choc block connectors under the board, and a third has to go right under one of the cross bracing pieces  :-[
Sounds perfectly logical to me. I would expect nothing less
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 02, 2014, 05:35:05 pm
Another day, another two fingers in plaster.......some people never learn!

Never mind, all six point motors in the goods yard working, with three of them working from the control box via a 15 pin connector.
Running out of heat shrink though, so it's another trip to the model shop before I can make any more progress.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 02, 2014, 07:44:28 pm
O U C H! Buy an asbestos glove and wear it on your other hand if you can. 8-(

At least you've got the points to work and remotely, too which impresses me a LOT.  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on June 02, 2014, 09:15:13 pm
Of course Sod's Law says that two point motors will have to go exactly where you have glued choc block connectors under the board, and a third has to go right under one of the cross bracing pieces  :-[
That's exactly right. Been there, done that. It wouldn't be a challenge if everything went exactly to plan first time. My problem (because I installed point motors retrospectively) was the old chestnut, as you experienced, of crossmembers under the baseboard corresponding exactly with where the point motor needed to be !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 03, 2014, 12:00:47 pm
It doesn't help that a lot of the time I don't have a clue what I am doing, or the implications of decisions made.
I have two power supplies going into the front of the station control box, one for the point motors and one for the LEDs, and without thinking I also placed the CDU inside that box.
When I came to make the second one I thought, "OMG I'm gonna need another CPU and another power supply".
I spent an hour studying all the wiring in the first box, because I had already forgotten how I had done it, and scratched my head.
There was a power supply from the CDU exiting via the 25 pin connector, to the separate power bus for the point motors, but no negative as the power returned to the control box via wires from the point motors to the switches.
I eventually realised that all I had to do was run a negative from the CDU in the first box to the second one, feed all the negatives from the new switches to it, and the problem was sorted with all the new motors getting power from the CDU - luckily I had a couple of spare pins on one of the connectors to get the wire across!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 03, 2014, 07:29:59 pm
  :photospleasesign:


Well, ok......

If you are thinking of using LEDs with your point switches, you should bear this in mind - this is the back of my control box for the good yard. Six points, six switches, very straightforward......

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/pic2.JPG)

This is the same view of my big control box for the staion area - eleven points, so eleven switches, but wiring for 22 LEDs!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/pic1.JPG)

All that work has been worth it as all the points at that side are obscured by the platforms, so I can't see how the points are set. Now I can see it all at a glance.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/pic3.JPG)

The box needs a couple of coats of white paint and the tracks drawn in properly, but it's not a patch on some of the superb control boxes I've seen on here  :-[

The goods yard box is much simpler, again the tracks have yet to be inked in properly:

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/pic4.JPG)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 03, 2014, 07:48:01 pm
I am VERY impressed. Many thanks for those photos and details. (I'm not attempting anything like that for Cant Cove, at least at first, but I will need to do something similar for Penmayne as some of the points will be under a bridge / tunnel.) I hope your hand is healing well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tank on June 04, 2014, 07:17:50 am
Really good work with the wiring.  I admire you for getting all of that soldering done.  :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Sprintex on June 04, 2014, 07:22:21 am
Looks pretty neat to me 8)

Must get round to fitting my LEDS one day! ::)


Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2014, 07:34:09 am
Impressive wiring. Well done.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tim.hynd on June 04, 2014, 07:54:41 am
Looking good Wookie! Can't wait to have a go myself now seeing your end result! :D

Have you used resistors for the LEDs or not? I've been seeing the occasional mention of using them but haven't found a definite answer to if I need to use them or not...Yours look to be working fine without them unless you've got them hidden somewhere...
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 06, 2014, 12:34:13 pm
Tim, I have used just one resistor, as I was told that's all that I need, and it is placed on the common negative return wire to the power source.
LED's are 12v and my power source is 18v so needed something to stop them burning out   :goggleeyes:

I've been bemoaning my design at club meetings, as I have no storage space for long trains not in use, and one guy at the club took a look at my trackplan and pointed out that I had wasted two potential storage areas. Two new sets of points later, and a couple of bits of flexitrack and I now have two sidings at the edges of the fiddle yard that can each store a loco and around 5-6 coaches  :D
Looking at this picture I've just realised that with another couple of sets of points I could add another couple of sidings, but I'm not sure that their small size would make it worthwhile.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/sidings.jpg)
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As you can see, both point control boxes are now painted, tracks drawn in, and fitted. I'm quite pleased with the finished effect.
There will be a shelf (built but not yet fitted) in between the two boxes to sit the main train controls.
Of course, a new bit of track means that it has to be tested, and this was a chance to play with scientifically test my latest toy historical model.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/dragon.jpg)
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Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 06, 2014, 04:54:02 pm
Very nice work; I envy you your space for all those sidings.  :thankyousign:

I see you chose the green Class 42. Is it D814 'Dragon'? If so, I have the same, bought DCC fitted. A lovely model. However, I may have it renamed and renumbered. I also have a Maroon Warship locomotive D829 ‘Magpie’ (again, bought DCC fitted and with sound, the only loco. I have with sound); it has been renumbered and renamed D821 "Greyhound" and its underframe and bogies lightly weathered, all by Pauline McKenna. Then I have a second BR Maroon Warship locomotive D829 ‘Magpie’ (again, DCC fitted) that I want to sell as even two Class 42s is really two many for North Cornwall as their Route Availability is too high. For my WTT, two Class 22s (I have three and want to sell the the 3rd which is factory weathered) and two Class 35s are enough, plus DMUs, and they all worked in North Cornwall (well, at least Hymeks reached Bude on the last summer of through trains -- from Paddington; I've never read or seen evidence of Class 35s reaching Padstow!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 06, 2014, 05:28:57 pm
Actually Chris, if you look carefully, there is very little in the way of sidings, other than the two big ones I have just put in.
There are lots of points for changing tracks, but just one very short siding.
It has occurred to me this afternoon that a point off each of the new sidings could be taken off at 90 degrees onto a new small board at each end packed with storage lanes, or even to some form of cassette system  :D

...and yes my new warship is "Dragon". I'm getting one of my Westerns back next week after being heavily weathered - I'm eagerly awaiting the results.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 06, 2014, 05:58:19 pm
Ah, Mike, I was thinking that the sidings I can see were not their final length and what looks like sidings on the righthand side look quite long?

The long line at the very front, although it needs a protective wall to stop derailed stock falling to the floor, indeed looks ideal for loading cassettes at either or both ends.

Towards the end of their all-too-short working lives, many "Westerns", "Warships" and "Hymeks" were in scandalously dirty and worn external condition; however, that is not how I prefer my locos. to look. Light weathering is enough realism for me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 07, 2014, 12:34:40 pm
This one will be pulling a dirty old freight train...

My first ever attempt at ballasting didn't get off to a great start when I managed to tip the whole lot on the floor!  :-[
Rescued most of it but it is now contaminated with sawdust, dog hair etc etc
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2014, 12:46:28 pm
Sorry to read about your ballasting disaster. You could buy a cheap sieve, I suppose, and put the contaminated ballast through that?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 07, 2014, 04:46:39 pm
I can probably blow them off as they are light. Failing that they are railway debris  :goggleeyes:

I'm quite pleased with the first sections, they look pretty good, and I just ran an engine over those sections with no problems (always a bonus).
I haven't attempted to do any points yet - they scare the life out of me after reading about some of the disasters on here!
I'm not sure how to begin to be honest.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2014, 05:11:12 pm
Glad you were able to safely reuse the ballast, Mike. I will be using the Conrad point motors that Michiel recommends as they are cheap but won't be fitting any, at first, I will buy at least one though as a template so that I can cut the space for them in the insulation board which lies under the track, etc. I may then actually try to get one working! I won't be permanently fixing down the track for a while. Under the baseboard though I aim to have all the main wiring in place. As Cant Cove is only for my own private entertainment, I don't mind using the GHFTS (Great Hand From The Sky) to change points! and to uncouple wagons, etc.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 10, 2014, 12:37:34 pm
Well guys, I've almost reached the stage where I can't get much further without solving the remote uncoupling issue - no point in ballasting if I am going to be lifting sections of track again!

My original idea was to use the Peco manually uncoupler, but with the operating arm bent downwards through the board and operated by wire in tube, but the ramp part didn't lift the couplings high enough to uncouple. Some more thought, and shaving a bit off the ramp that was jamming on sleepers seems to have solved this problem and in tests I can now uncouple goods wagons with reasonable ease, as well as new and old GF coaches, but my Dapol B set seems to have a different problem as the coupling simply can't lift high enough as it jams on the underbody of the coach. Is this a common thing with Dapol? I don't have any other Dapol coaches.
This system does tend to lift the end of the wagon or coach up in the air at the same time  :D

Really, I would like to try out the new Dapol magnetic uncoupling idea as it would be MUCH easier to install, but as the coupling doesn't appear to be able to lift I suspect that NO systems would work with it!

Being able to uncouple efficiently is absolutely essential to the layout that I have built as I must be able to uncouple locos from coaches to use the run round loop, and I have several sidings where wagons need to be uncoupled. Building that many wire-in-tube systems fills me with dread!

I asked about the Dapol magnetic method in my local shop this morning, and the reaction was "well if it's Dapol it will probably work half the time" which didn't fill me with enthusiasm. They recommended the Peco electromagnet style, but it clearly says it is unsuitable for sprung couplings, and all mine have springs. I'm not sure that my poor eyesight and big hands could cope with fixing all the little metal bits on the couplings either....

Any advice very much appreciated!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on June 10, 2014, 03:57:15 pm

Really, I would like to try out the new Dapol magnetic uncoupling idea as it would be MUCH easier to install, but as the coupling doesn't appear to be able to lift I suspect that NO systems would work with it!

My impression of the Dapol system was that they don't lift but open side to side :confused2:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 10, 2014, 07:05:13 pm
Yes you are correct, no lifting just the jaws open to release the coupling, works like a dream although for delayed uncoupling everything has to be adjusted "just so" but for ease of use and reliable uncoupling they are easy to fit and use.   I'm currently fitting the conversion kits to all those models that don't come with an NEM pocket like the Dapol B set and Dapol Collett coaches.  I just fit them to the end of the rakes and leave the Rapidos intact, similar with my goods trucks (mainly Peco), just fit them where needed.

I've tried Microtrains, MBM, B&B etc but have come back to the Dapol Easi Shunts for their simplicity.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 10, 2014, 07:14:53 pm
Just what I wanted to hear - I'll buy some tomorrow  :D
So the Dapol B sets have a different coupling? I thought it looked a bit different...

Do you use the Dapol magnets or did you find something else that negates the need to chop out 7 sleepers?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 10, 2014, 07:27:10 pm
So far I've only used the Microtrains magnets which I had left over and are I believe, identical to the Dapol ones but stand to be corrected.

In quite a few locations I've cut the magnets in half (2 for the price of 1  ;)  ), just use a craft knife and score across the magnet and break on the cut.  It is sufficient for most situations but for curved track I've used the rare earth Neodym magnets as suggested on another thread, think I bought the 3mm x 2mm ones, fiddly to use but effective, see http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20455.msg208995#msg208995 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20455.msg208995#msg208995)

Yes, you have to chop out some sleepers but you can disguise the magnets using micro strip painted sleeper colour, see http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20455.msg216441#msg216441 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20455.msg216441#msg216441)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 11, 2014, 04:40:20 pm

I know how much you lot like photos  :D

I've just got one of my Westerns back from being chipped and weathered.
I bought it as a wreck (but with a good motor) for a tenner from the NGS secondhand shop at our last open day.
A new (very old model) body and battery box from BR Lines later, plus a good coating of shi grime, and it's now ready to haul a string of freight wagons......

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/weathered.JPG)

All my locos are now chipped - I feel a major play test session is needed before they hit the track at our exhibition this Saturday  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on June 11, 2014, 04:57:52 pm
I bought it as a wreck (but with a good motor) for a tenner from the NGS secondhand shop at our last open day.
Always good to see a 'Western' finding a good home!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2014, 05:39:50 pm
Looks absolutely fine to me. I also have a Graham Farish BR Maroon "Western" bought already DCC-fitted, D1023 "Western Fusilier", bought a s pure Rule One self-indulgence as, in real life, it would never have been able to run in North Cornwall! A train of milk tankers would be prototypical (but very expensive!) or, maybe, a parcels train?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 11, 2014, 07:54:24 pm
I'm thinking coal trucks
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2014, 08:29:13 pm
Coal trucks, interesting. That would have to be (mostly) vacuum-brake fitted (so in bauxite) as the WR's diesel-hydraulics had less brake force than the heavier diesel-electrics. That's why the WR had Class 37s instead of Hymeks in South Wales. The Mendip stone trains used all vacuum-fitted wagons for this reason.

I think a parcels train is a better bet:

http://www.dieselimagegallery.com/gallery/1the1960s/D1008-1-S.jpg (http://www.dieselimagegallery.com/gallery/1the1960s/D1008-1-S.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 11, 2014, 08:54:01 pm
Thats a shame - I've got a loads of greys
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2014, 09:18:19 pm
You can use Rule One or put a 'fitted head' of bauxite wagons behind your "Western" in front of the greys and hope the loco's brakes and the driver's braking skills are top notch (and the rails are dry!) 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 11, 2014, 09:22:28 pm
I'm probably going to really show my ignorance here, but wouldn't a guards brake van on the end serve the purpose?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2014, 09:29:56 pm
The guard's brake van would be essential but, alone, probably would not be able to apply enough braking power. Brake tenders were used on the LMR and ER for this reason and I have seen a picture of two of them (!) behind a SR Class 33. I'm not sure if they were used on the WR or with "Westerns". I believe there is / was a kit to make one?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on June 11, 2014, 09:34:47 pm
I'm probably going to really show my ignorance here, but wouldn't a guards brake van on the end serve the purpose?
Not as such, no. My understanding is that the guard only occasionally applied the brakes on his van. If he did, between the forward momentum of the train and the friction of the brake van, the chains connecting the wagons would be under a lot of extra strain. Potentially, the train could break (as opposed to brake!) in two. Apparently drivers whistled for the guard to apply the brake; otherwise he was meant to leave his brakes off, and the driver would be in charge of slowing down a train using the locomotive on its own.

Steam engines were heavy, really heavy. So when they put on their brakes, assuming a level of skill on the part of the driver, an unfitted train could stop safely. Diesels were  sometimes much lighter (especially the hydraulic classes) and less weight meant less brake force, so they were poorer at stopping unfitted trains.

In theory BR was getting rid of unfitted trains. That was one reason the hydraulic classes were promoted. Less dead weight would be needed, and less weight in themselves meant less fuel consumption (famously, in the case of the D800 'Warships', the difference compared to a 'Peak' was about the same as a whole extra carriage!).

But of course this ideal state didn't exist, and most of the hydraulics were too light to handle unfitted trains well. The D600s were of course bulky monsters, and the D1000 'Westerns' were relatively heavy as well, and both have been reported as good heavy freight locomotives, even with unfitted or partially-fitted trains.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 11, 2014, 09:47:20 pm
Thanks for this. So if I stick a few bauxites on the front, a brake van at the back, and keep it fairly short that should do me.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2014, 06:32:05 am
Yes, I think that would be reasonably realistic; the more fitted (bauxite) mineral wagons at the front the better and a BR Standard Brake Van behind. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 13, 2014, 02:07:44 pm
I've tried Microtrains, MBM, B&B etc but have come back to the Dapol Easi Shunts for their simplicity.

Well I am now very very p****d off as I appear to have wasted 30 quid! This system really seemed to fit my requirements.
My Dapol couplers and magnets arrived this morning and I went out and bought some superglue to put a tiny spot on each spring, having read about the problems with them on another forum. Sorted this out, and then fitted a pair of them on my new Teddy Bear, no problem. All good so far.....until I then went to fit them on my coaches/wagons. NONE of them appear to have NEM pockets!!

I'm new to all this, I assumed that NEM pockets are the industry standard but I now realise that I was wrong.
On closer inspection all my new engines have the NEMs but none of the older ones do, and none of my rolling stock.
I'm not going to spend a fortune on conversion kits and hack everything about to fit them.

Congratulations Dapol on a complete waste of time. No wonder my local shop don't even bother stocking them - I should have taken that as a big clue.
Back to the drawing board - I don't have a clue what other system to try as none of them are exactly confidence-inspiring!

OK, rant over.  :sorrysign:
At this moment in time I feel like selling the whole layout.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on June 13, 2014, 03:07:31 pm
I think I'm going to have the same problem, Wookie :worried:
New (well, recent) locos and old coaching/wagon stock.
Hopefully someone on the forum can sort us out :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 13, 2014, 07:11:10 pm
Very disappointing indeed. Very sorry to read that. It has just served to put hands-off uncoupling even further down my list of priorities.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on June 13, 2014, 07:45:25 pm
I just wish someone could invent a system of hands free uncoupling that is simple and works well I'm steering clear at the moment.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on June 13, 2014, 07:56:25 pm
Congratulations Dapol on a complete waste of time. No wonder my local shop don't even bother stocking them - I should have taken that as a big clue.
Back to the drawing board - I don't have a clue what other system to try as none of them are exactly confidence-inspiring!

Yikes! Don't go too hard on Dapol; they have a solution (http://www.dapol.co.uk/images/file/NEM%20Instructions.pdf). It's called the Dapol 'Easi-Fit' NEM Conversion Kit and lets you install NEM pockets on many older wagons.

Cheers NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 13, 2014, 09:40:12 pm
Yikes! Don't go too hard on Dapol; they have a solution ([url]http://www.dapol.co.uk/images/file/NEM%20Instructions.pdf[/url]). It's called the Dapol 'Easi-Fit' NEM Conversion Kit and lets you install NEM pockets on many older wagons.

Cheers NeMo


Yes, that's what I meant about having to hack your rolling stock around - you have to cut the old old fitting off, and then glue the new one on at exactly the right height.
More money, more things that you can get wrong, more things that are difficult with big clumsy fingers and poor eyesight.

Talking to some of my club members tonight when we were setting up ready for tomorrow's exhibition, apparently there are a few wagons available now that are ready fitted with NEM pockets. The solution may be to buy a few of those and use them on the ends of rakes. Depends if they are suitable for my needs.

I'm toying with trying the Peco electromagnet system for the coaches in the round round loop.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 14, 2014, 05:59:45 pm
You can use Rule One or put a 'fitted head' of bauxite wagons behind your "Western" in front of the greys and hope the loco's brakes and the driver's braking skills are top notch (and the rails are dry!) 8-)

Were grampus wagons fitted? I've noticed that they are fitted with NEM pockets and could go some way to solving my uncoupling problem.
I'm working on a cunning plan  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on June 14, 2014, 06:15:46 pm
Were grampus wagons fitted? I've noticed that they are fitted with NEM pockets and could go some way to solving my uncoupling problem.
I'm working on a cunning plan  :D
Depends on the Grampus; some had vacuum brakes and some didn't. The braked ones were subsequently coded as ZBV while the ones without became ZBO. Dapol's Dutch-liveried ones are ZBV wagons, so I'd assume (I'm no expert) that the others are braked ones too.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on June 15, 2014, 09:43:54 am
If you're not comfortable hacking about a new RTR wagon to fit NEM pockets (which, I agree, are not nearly as universal as they should be) you can buy a Peco wagon kit and practice converting one end of that to act as an adaptor between Easi-shunts and normal Rapidos.  It is what I've done and isn't difficult; you do need to thin down the wagon chassis a bit to get the pocket to the correct height but the kit includes a jig to ensure you get things lined up correctly.

Depending on which wagon you buy the rest of the kit tends not to be that complicated; I've not counted but most kits seem to comprise two or three main mouldings (chassis, body and a roof if it is a van) plus wheels and couplings.  There are some open planked wagons that are a bit more complicated as the sides and ends are separate mouldings but the design makes it easy to get everything lined up square and true.

Don't despair, Wookie, and don't pull anyone's arms off ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 15, 2014, 09:52:10 am
Thanks John
One of my mineral wagons had its coupling box broken at the show yesterday, so I'm going to have a go at that one first  :D
I don't have many general goods vans yet, and have studied what is available already fitted with NEM pockets - I think a bit of judicious buying may solve the problem.
My GWR B sets don't have NEMs but I notice that the latest ones do, so that that sorted. GF are bringing out a GWR 0-6-0 with NEMs - good news as I really don't fancy hacking locos. I think I'm getting there!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on June 15, 2014, 10:57:23 pm
Automatic de-coupling was one of the original design criteria for my layout.  My local shop persuaded me that Dapol was the route to take. I've been putting of the day when I start this, but decided to bite the bullet and start this week. Interesting to read about your experiences. I've got my fingers crossed and will let you know what happens.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 16, 2014, 09:44:26 am
I've ordered a conversion kit and 3 wagons with NEMs, so I'll be putting it to the test this week too....let's both keep our fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 17, 2014, 12:46:29 pm
I just noticed that Rails have listed a lot of the Dapol magnetic couplings, including the NEM conversion kit, in their sale stating "discontinued by manufacturer".
Don't tell me that I finally decided to go for it and they are scrapping the system!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 18, 2014, 05:31:46 pm
Well, I think that I may have solved my uncoupling/shunting problem  :D

My new wagons, with fitted NEM pockets arrived today, and I switched one coupling on each for a Dapol magnetic coupling.
They work! Almost impossible to get them to shunt once uncoupled without them recoupling, but hey at least they uncouple!
They do need a lot of weight in the wagon though, so I am gonna get me some strip lead from somewhere (wookie eyes up the local church roof) and plonk me a big lump of it in each wagon. By changing only one end fitting, the other end can still be coupled up to a normal rake of wagons, then the whole lot can be shunted.

I was hoping to get the uncoupled shunting to work, as then I would only need one magnet in the headshunt and could shove them from there into the chosen siding, but as it isn't possible I will have to place a magnet in each siding in an appropriate position.

Now we come to the conversion kit.....
I had a mineral wagon coupling damaged beyond repair at the show last weekend, so I was prepared to hack that one. I had to cut the existing box off AND cut out quite a bit of the subframe to be able to get the new NEM coupling box in at the right height. It appears to have worked okay. I'm waiting for the araldite to set before I can install the magnetic coupling and give it a trial run. If it works I can now shunt coal wagons into my coal merchants. If it doesn't I can just shunt them in attached to a grampus wagon that has the NEM couplings and unhitch that one with the attached coal wagons and leave the whole lot in the yard. I can use the same grampus wagon solution for my conflats as I don't fancy hacking them about.

Regarding the run-round loop, I've decided to buy new coaches. I sold one of my older B sets yesterday for £15, and I noticed that the new ones with NEM pockets are only £20 (if you shop around) so I think I'll sell my remaining set too and buy new. I can get three mainline coaches onto the platform and still have room to run round, so I'm also going to buy those new and s*d the expense. I really don't fancy hacking a loco though, so I have sold a couple of mine and will buy a new GF one with pockets fitted.

Hopefully that's me sorted then  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 18, 2014, 05:57:58 pm
I sold one of my older B sets yesterday for £15, and I noticed that the new ones with NEM pockets are only £20 (if you shop around) so I think I'll sell my remaining set too and buy new.

Are you sure the current B set coaches have NEM pockets, the last set I bought still had the old Rapido sprung coupling but they are fairly easy to modify by using the Dapol kit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 18, 2014, 06:20:21 pm
The new Dapol catalogue says they have.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 18, 2014, 06:34:01 pm
I am sure I read somewhere that that was an error. AFAIK they haven't redesigned the bogie but I stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 18, 2014, 06:41:21 pm
Oh well, if the mineral wagon turns out okay I'll probably alter my ones then.......

As an aside, I ordered medium couplings and they are MUCH too long on wagons, they look a bit silly.
I'll probably buy some short ones and use the long on coaches.
Two of my Dapol locos came with magnetic couplings, and they are the short ones so I thought I'd use those. From four couplings, two of them had lost their springs in the packet, and trying to refit them I lost them as they are sooooooooo tiny!
Also, if you put a spot of superglue on the spring to keep it in place you have to be REALLY careful as I have glued up at least two of the couplings and they won't work now  :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on June 18, 2014, 07:20:01 pm
I am sure I read somewhere that that was an error. AFAIK they haven't redesigned the bogie but I stand to be corrected.

Gasp! Horror! Shock! :o
An error? From Dapol?
Surely not :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2014, 07:49:04 pm
I have just found a reference to Class 52 "Western"'s being used to haul rakes of empty unfitted mineral wagons so you can use your grey mineral wagons to represent a train of empties and just change the couplings at each end of the rake?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on June 18, 2014, 08:00:31 pm
I have just found a reference to Class 52 "Western"'s being used to haul rakes of empty unfitted mineral wagons so you can use your grey mineral wagons to represent a train of empties and just change the couplings at each end of the rake?
Who was the driver?  :-\
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 18, 2014, 08:11:50 pm
I have just found a reference to Class 52 "Western"'s being used to haul rakes of empty unfitted mineral wagons so you can use your grey mineral wagons to represent a train of empties and just change the couplings at each end of the rake?

Ah right thanks Chris. I don't need to be able to uncouple the long trains, they are just passing through on the mainline - and I have one bauxite wagon for braking so far   :D

Back to the couplings and I have finally managed to replace the two missing springs. Even working inside a plastic bag as far as possible, I lost three springs!
I had to hold the coupling in one of these crocodile grip modelling tools at just the right angle so that I could drop the tiny spring in place and then stick a blob of glue on it  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2014, 08:31:37 pm
I recently was able to buy, for a very reasonable price, on eBay, the 'bible' when it comes to the subject of WR diesel-hydraulic locos.: "The Western's Hydraulics" by J.K. Lewis, (2006) Book Law Publications Nottingham. On page 95 there is a picture of a BR Blue (LWPs) Class 52 captioned: "One facet of 'Western' workings often ignored is their early employment on slow, heavy goods workings, a task for which they were better suited than the other diesel-hydraulics due to their greater weight and braking force. D1043 'Western Duke' trundles through Margam on a murky day in June 1971 with a train of unfitted coal empties." The leading wagon is a very rusty grey short wheelbase mineral wagon. I must admit that I thought only Class 37s were used for such trains. Apart from working passenger trains, far more common are pictures of "Westerns" on china clay, parcels or milk tanker trains.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on June 18, 2014, 09:06:49 pm
On page 95 there is a picture of a BR Blue (LWPs) Class 52 captioned: "One facet of 'Western' workings often ignored is their early employment on slow, heavy goods workings, a task for which they were better suited than the other diesel-hydraulics due to their greater weight and braking force. D1043 'Western Duke' trundles through Margam on a murky day in June 1971 with a train of unfitted coal empties." The leading wagon is a very rusty grey short wheelbase mineral wagon. I must admit that I thought only Class 37s were used for such trains. Apart from working passenger trains, far more common are pictures of "Westerns" on china clay, parcels or milk tanker trains.
Others may know better, but my general impression is this: Early on in their history, the 'Westerns' weren't as much used on freights as they were after the decision to standardise on diesel-electrics and Class 47s started to replace them on the WR. So by the time they were working freight trains more regularly, unfitted trains were becoming less common.

There's probably some bias in the record too, with photographers in the 70s capturing as many photos of working 'Westerns' as possible, and since many of these workings were freights, we have lots more photos of 1970s freight trains that were, increasingly, fitted trains -- and often block trains at that, such as aggregates (a huge source of work for them) and milk trains.

By contrast relatively few people were photographing 'Westerns' on prosaic workings during the 60s when the accent was on capturing the last steam trains on film instead. So even when they were handling unfitted 60s freight trains, we've got relatively fewer photos of them doing that.

The Lewis book is an excellent read. Do note that he says they were *better* at handling unfitted freights rather than *good* at it. It's all by comparison to the 'Warships' that had plenty of power but not much weight, so couldn't apply much brake force when it came to stopping unfitted trains. 'Westerns' were quite a lot heavier, so they had more brake force. If you're handling an unfitted train, you want a big, heavy locomotive that's going to have a big brake force. I'm not sure exactly how it's calculated, but if you look at the stickers on the sides of diesel locomotives, their brake force in tons appears to be about half their weight, so a Class 37 at 100 tons weight has a brake force of 50 tons.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on June 18, 2014, 11:37:30 pm
Back to the couplings and I have finally managed to replace the two missing springs. Even working inside a plastic bag as far as possible, I lost three springs!
I had to hold the coupling in one of these crocodile grip modelling tools at just the right angle so that I could drop the tiny spring in place and then stick a blob of glue on it  :goggleeyes:

I feel your pain.  I've tried to repair several Easi-Shunt couplings and successfully managed it once.  Between lost springs and damaged springs I wondered how anyone managed to get that little spring in there in the first place?  Those crocodile clip, helping hands devices are great!  At some point I'll have to try and repair any other missing springs but I think it is a job best saved for when you're in the right frame of mind.

The other thing to remember with the magnets is if you have magnets in each siding you need to leave enough room that you can shunt your trucks past the magnet to recouple.  My main carriage siding is just long enough for three 57-foot carriages past the magnet so I can just about recouple as long as the loco doesn't stall or stutter on the way out of the siding.

And, much as I enjoy a good moan, I have to say that I never imagined I'd enjoy hands free uncoupling like this in any scale.  Easi-Shunt couplings and magnets are a dream compared with trying to get the Hornby uncoupling ramp to uncouple when I wanted and only when I wanted on my old train set thirty years ago!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 19, 2014, 09:27:18 am
Yes I agree, they seem better than anything else available.
I had already figured out about leaving enough room to recouple, but thanks for the heads-up as I could easily have overlooked it!

On the downside, the two that I repaired and glued are now stuck solid  :veryangry:
I'm going to try dropping them in boiling water, as heat unsticks superglue. It's all I can think of - the couplings are so bloody expensive I can't afford to waste any - especially short ones!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 20, 2014, 12:21:10 pm
The boiling water didn't work, so the couplings went in the bin  :(

On a brighter note, I now have a working run round loop  :claphappy:
I can't say that the B set was easy to convert, in fact it was quite tricky, but I got there in the end, have just been playing testing it for my grandson.
The medium arm couplings are too long even for coaches though, so I will definitely have to order some short ones. The coaches need some weights inside them to make it work completely satisfactorily.
The conversion for the ore truck works nicely as well. It has an NEM on one end and a normal coupling on the other, so I can use it to shunt a small rake into the coal merchants.
Hopefully, this is my biggest headache sorted, as remote uncoupling was essential for my layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 20, 2014, 12:51:42 pm
Congratulations.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 20, 2014, 07:15:25 pm
The boiling water didn't work, so the couplings went in the bin  :(


You can get tubes of superglue remover, it softens the glue but needs a little soaking to work.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 25, 2014, 07:08:31 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpsiD8X3Cl0&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpsiD8X3Cl0#)

I don't know if you will be able to see it clearly but I have been playi carrying out serious scientific research.

Only with DCC can you do this - three engines going round on one loop and two on the other.
A few wobbles with the camera in one hand as I was desperately trying to jiggle speeds with the other hahahaha
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on June 25, 2014, 07:15:25 pm
The link works fine, Mike. Nice green diesels :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 25, 2014, 07:20:00 pm
Thanks, Mike. Delighted to see your trains running smoothly. Is the track laid directly onto the board or do you have cork underlay underneath? I kept looking for the missing guard's van to be following behind the goods train, too! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 25, 2014, 07:32:04 pm
Thanks Nobby

Chris the whole surface of the board is covered with cork tiles. I was originally going to just put it under the track, and chamfer the edge for a ballast level, but then realised that platforms and factories with loading ramps woould all need to be on cork too, so in the end I said blow it and stuck it all over!

Oh and the guards van (and some more bauxite b raked mineral wagons) are in the post  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 25, 2014, 08:01:58 pm
Thanks, Mike. I have two rolls of cork underlay but, as I'm using insulating material (like tiles) on top of the baseboard frame I'm wondering whether I will need to use them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 25, 2014, 08:35:01 pm
BTW....all those ore wagons have different running numbers - what have to gotten me into Chris?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 25, 2014, 08:43:12 pm
BTW....all those ore wagons have different running numbers - what have to gotten me into Chris?

You're lucky to be able to buy them all with different running numbers, Mike; I'm usually reselling some to buy others (instead of renumbering rolling stock myself).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 26, 2014, 08:58:18 am
I bought two packs of pre-weathered trucks Chris, plus a few odd ones. I know there are a few more I can get, from looking through old catalogues.

...and thanks to trainsdownunder for telling me how to embed the video  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 26, 2014, 03:09:39 pm

Just for you Chris  :D

guards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DF6D8zAn4#)

Actually, there is a something else of interest - my new short Dapol magnetic couplings arrived today as well.
Turns out that when I ordered medium last time, they must have sent me long by mistake and I never noticed. These ones are really short by comparison.
The link between the grampus and the first grey ore wagon is now a pair of the short fittings and I think they look just fine, about the same gap as standard fittings.
They are coupling and uncoupling over the magnets nicely as well, takes a bit of fiddling to get them set just right but it is worth it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 26, 2014, 03:27:10 pm
Thanks, Mike. Looking very good. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 29, 2014, 04:38:30 pm
I spent a very enjoyable day yesterday operating one of our club layouts at an exhibition tied in with Ipswich Transport Museum and other associated clubs.
Had great fun shunting wagons and vans around the goods yard, which has several hidden Dapol magnets and uses the easi-shunt magnetic couplings.
They don't always work, and have to be fiddled with every now and again, but by and large it is a pretty good system for uncoupling.
The idea of being able to push uncoupled wagons to where you want them is another thing altogether though as they nearly always recouple themselves!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on June 30, 2014, 01:36:12 pm
You can get tubes of superglue remover, it softens the glue but needs a little soaking to work.

Thanks for that tip caz. I fished them out of the bin and invested a couple of quid in some superglue remover - managed to salvage both couplings plus another two that I had managed to glue up as well :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on June 30, 2014, 06:13:38 pm
Happy to help, glad it was of use, that's what is great about the forum, lots of experience is shared around.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 03, 2014, 05:43:20 pm
I ballasted the goods yard yesterday. I had already done the rest of the layout successfully.
I had got very bored and fed up with doing the job - I understand now why people moan about doing it.


I rushed it.



I shouldn't have!



Five sets of points glued up!!


I just spent an "interesting" couple of hours getting them working again  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 03, 2014, 05:45:13 pm
I must be the only person, then, who is looking forward to ballasting (eventually) it's anything to do with wiring that bores me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 03, 2014, 05:47:10 pm
Oh I enjoyed the first three or four days as it was a new experience, but after that the appeal fades I'm afraid......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 05, 2014, 07:19:32 pm
Good to see the forum is back after Chris broke it with too many posts  :D

Here is the latest addition to my ever-growing stable of diesel hydraulics.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/hymek1.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/hymek2.JPG)

I've been hunting for a Hymek for a while, and finally found one.
To be honest, after all the anticipation of the search, I'm rather disappointed now I've got it at last.
First of all it is very noisy on both DC and DCC. When I took the body off to fit the chip and ran the chassis on its own it was almost silent, but as soon as the body went back on it was noisy.
Secondly the directional lighting is so poor, I won't run it with them on. The problem is that the light is too bright and pours out of the headcode box, which looks awful as it is blank. Should it be blank? I have no idea. It doesn't look as though it is designed to fit one in after purchase. Any guidance appreciated.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 05, 2014, 07:57:52 pm

Secondly the directional lighting is so poor, I won't run it with them on. The problem is that the light is too bright and pours out of the headcode box, which looks awful as it is blank. Should it be blank? I have no idea. It doesn't look as though it is designed to fit one in after purchase. Any guidance appreciated.

Have you fully checked all the packaging? I found my headcodes underneath all the yellow inner packaging ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 05, 2014, 08:00:33 pm
I bought it secondhand, there was no detailing pack. So it is supposed to have headcodes then........    damn!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 05, 2014, 08:05:09 pm
Maybe someone on the forum has some spares :hmmm:
Sadly I can't help as my 'dummy' Hymek didn't have any either, and that was new >:(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2014, 09:39:58 pm
I'll check in the box of my Hymek in Prague for you. My other Hymek is at Pauline McKenna.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 07, 2014, 08:54:37 am
That's very kind of you, thank you
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on July 07, 2014, 09:04:53 am
Lovely fleet, though. Great stuff!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 07, 2014, 09:19:26 am
It won't be until be next weekend when I can check for the spare headcodes, I'm afraid.

You don't have a Maroon Class 42, yet? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 07, 2014, 06:04:02 pm
Thanks Chris. If you have spares that would be really great as I don't like the loco at all without headcodes.
No, I don't have a maroon warship yet, but I think I have more than enough motive power for my little layout.  :o
I might get one eventually, but at the moment all I really want is a bubblecar when they are released.

At LAST I've been able to make a start on some scenery!
This is the part of modelling that I was really looking forward to, but it is also an area that I know virtually nothing about.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery1.JPG)

The corner where the coal merchant is situated looks pretty good I think. I'm quite pleased with it anyway!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery2.JPG)

The retaining wall is partly installed, weathered, and planted with weeds  :D

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery3.JPG)

The tunnel through to the goods yard from the rear fiddle yard is finished.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery4.JPG)

A birds eye view of the coal merchants shows that the insides of those wagons really are too clean!
I'm disappointed with the muddy access road. I gave it a layer of filler and then scratched wheel ruts into it, but it hasn't come out very well.
The experimental poster paint finish has turned out to be gloss, which doesn't help.
The surface needs to be textured, but I don't know how to do it.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery5.JPG)

On top of the retaining wall there will be a High Street (literally) with low profile shops and businesses against a back scene.
I'm going to screw down the road section rather than glue it, so that it can be removed if I have to carry out maintenance on track in the fiddle yard.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/scenery6.JPG)

The down side of the elevated section is that it is now difficult to get to the the manually operated points at the rear of the fiddle yard.
I took the precaution of fitting a motor to the set that give access to the goods yard but I thought the rest would be OK.
I can get to them, but it will be a different matter with rows of carriages and wagons in the way.
I'm now considering motorising another 5 points, but really don't want the extra wiring, and it will need another control box!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 07, 2014, 06:27:42 pm
Looking good down at the coal merchant's. 8-) I was reading the detailed painting guides which come with the Ratio kits as I was waiting for the last washed items to (quickly) dry and they are very good.

Regarding a textured surface, when you repaint the muddy road you could try sprinkling very fine talcum powder onto matt grey / brown paint to represent an earth and gravel surface?

Are those back walls the plaster ones? I bought a lot, on eBay, last year, of various types including stone bridge abutments, one pair of which, after spraying matt grey look very good.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 07, 2014, 07:09:48 pm
Are those back walls the plaster ones?

Yes, they came from fleabay, and I weathered them heavily to suit the dirty grimy environment of my yard.
The original plan was to have part retaining walls and part rock faces made from tree bark.
The tree bark didn't really look right so I oipted for continuous walling. I'm glad I did as I think it looks great.
I have to buy more now though  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 09, 2014, 10:36:08 pm
I don't know if this question is allowed, but I'm sure that somebody with a peaked cap will soon tell me if it isn't  :D

These static grass starter kits with a puffer bottle - are they any good?
Also...is the grass height to scale for N gauge or would it look like the African grasslands where an elephant can quite easily hide unseen?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 10, 2014, 10:22:41 am
Never used static grass myself, but I'm sure someone from the Wherethehellarewe tribe will be along soon :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cjdodd on July 10, 2014, 10:29:16 am
I've been using one of those flyswatter and tea strainer static grass applicators with a mixture of 1mm and 2mm fibres and that looks ok, it's still a bit over scale but if you go smaller you loose the effect so it's pointless. Its not so over scale that you'd loose a safari park in it.

I put down scatter first then apply some static grass on top.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: scotsoft on July 10, 2014, 10:48:47 am
The latest free issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist has detailed instructions how to build a flyswatter static grass applicator complete with video footage.

You can download it here  ;)

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2014-07-jul (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2014-07-jul)

cheers John.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 11, 2014, 12:57:35 pm
It won't be until be next weekend when I can check for the spare headcodes, I'm afraid.

I managed to get a sheet of headcodes for the Hymek from DCC Supplies thanks Chris, only 96p  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 11, 2014, 01:33:46 pm
Nice one, Wookie :thumbsup:
Glad you're sorted.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2014, 02:18:38 pm
It won't be until be next weekend when I can check for the spare headcodes, I'm afraid.

I managed to get a sheet of headcodes for the Hymek from DCC Supplies thanks Chris, only 96p  :D

Excellent. Would have cost me more to post them!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 11, 2014, 03:37:29 pm
Yeah that's what I figured....
Somebody at my club has given me a pointer as to how to cure the fact that it is so b :censored: y noisy too, so when the headcodes arrive and I have to take the body off to fit them, I'll see if it works.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 11, 2014, 03:45:43 pm
Even better, news. That's the beauty of having others to help. Having not run either of my two Hymeks, yet (should not be much longer), I'll be very interested in reading more.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 20, 2014, 10:58:06 am
Heard yesterday that one of our club layouts that I help operate has been booked for Warwick for September 2015.
I can't mange the 2/3 days that are required, but I'm hoping to get over there for one of the days and play  :D

I've also been given a club Japanese layout to rebuild. It was donated by a club member who passed away, but had to be broken up to get it out of his house.
All Kato track, and fully DCC including a turntable. I'm going to rebuild it onto two smaller boards that will fit into an estate car so that it can be shown once completed.
It will give me something to do on club nights rather than just watching others at work and helping where I can....and I get to play with a bullet train  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 15, 2014, 11:55:52 am
Okay, this is probably a  :censored: stupid question, but I have to know......

I've been looking through my list of carriage stock - I have to keep a list as I avoid having the same running numbers (Chris you turned me into an anorak) and I noticed that all my chocolate and cream carriages numbers begin with "W". My maroon and blood and custard stock nearly all have numbers beginning with "E" or "M" with only one "W".
I have a horrible feeling that E means eastern and M midland, is this correct?
If so 75% of my stock is wrong for WR!

If I *am* right, would stock have drifted from one area to another?
I know it's a pretty small thing compared to engine numbers, but it will niggle me no end.............
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 15, 2014, 12:15:44 pm
You're quite right about the letter denoting the region but I wouldn't worry too much as stock appeared all over the place, especially on cross country workings before it got 'returned' to the correct area.
If it causes you sleepless nights then weather the perishers to heck so the running numbers can't be seen without a magnifying glass ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Dancess on August 15, 2014, 12:26:47 pm
Remember that Chocolate n Cream Mk1s only appeared in limited numbers about 1962 and were limited to express services.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 15, 2014, 12:55:41 pm
My layout is 1965.
Having taken so much trouble getting all different numbers I can't bring myself to weather over them Nobby  :o
I guess I'll just have to watch out for more with W's and assume that what I have so far are illegal immigrants in transit.....  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 15, 2014, 03:02:03 pm
As I'm not bothered about the running numbers (for that, read can't see 'em :-[) let me know any reference numbers you are seeking and I'll check to see what I have :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 15, 2014, 03:20:36 pm
Probably more a case of saying which ones I have hahahaha
There were services from the midlands to Bristol, so I'm quite happy with the M stock, but I can't quite see how eastern E stock would have ended up in Bristol  :goggleeyes:



Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 15, 2014, 03:25:52 pm
Is it just blood & custard and maroon Mk1's you're after with a 'W' running number?
If so, I'll check what I have and PM you with a view to swaps as the E numbers ( ;)) will do for me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 15, 2014, 03:30:05 pm
No it's mainly the maroons......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 16, 2014, 11:42:57 am
Hmmmm....just found five nice Dapol Collett maroon coaches on Hattons. My wallet is twitching  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2014, 11:10:28 am
Remember that Chocolate n Cream Mk1s only appeared in limited numbers about 1962 and were limited to express services.

They were limited to NAMED expresses; so the WR management just named a lot more trains! But, later, they turned up mixed with BR Maroon carriages on non-named expresses.

Studying 1960s photos. shows WR trains with cream and crimson, chocolate and cream, and BR maroon passenger stock running together. Ex-LMSR (Stanier design) and ex-LNER (Gresley design) carriages also turned up in WR trains so I would not worry too much about some M and E prefix stock. Bristol saw a lot of NW and NE to SW cross-country trains, particularly at summer weekends, with carriages from the LMR and ER in complete or mixed rakes.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 21, 2014, 11:13:52 am
Ah well, I've bought a load of Colletts now  :D
I'm just in the process of listing a load of unwanted on evilbay now.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2014, 11:20:36 am
Ah well, I've bought a load of Colletts now  :D
I'm just in the process of listing a load of unwanted on evilbay now.......

The Colletts will be useful for those summer weekend extras when almost anything that could carry passengers was turned out!

What are you putting on eBay, please?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 21, 2014, 11:32:42 am
I'll PM you
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2014, 11:34:46 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 26, 2014, 03:16:08 pm
Off-subject I know, but..........

We've discussed solder burns on this thread.
They pale into insignificance when you accidentally get hold of the red hot element in the cooker grill  :'(

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/thumb.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2014, 03:41:59 pm
O U C H ! Hope it heals fully, soon.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on August 26, 2014, 03:47:02 pm
Off-subject I know, but..........

We've discussed solder burns on this thread.
They pale into insignificance when you accidentally get hold of the red hot element in the cooker grill  :'(

([url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/thumb.jpg[/url])

 :doh:  That's never a good idea.
I felt the pain even just seeing the picture.
Hope it soon heals
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 26, 2014, 03:58:14 pm
Thanks guys.
That is actually through an oven glove, which just disintegrated  :o
Not much modelling for a few days methinks!

To get back on subject, I cut my backscene board out of plywood, and sealed it with a couple of coats of diluted PVA.
I made a beautiful collage out of 3 separate scenes, which looked lovely.
Glued it on with very slightly diluted PVA and it all went into bubbles.
I hoped that (like with wallpaper) they would disappear as it dried but sadly not, it's ruined.
I'm guessing that I should have used something solvent based like UHU but that goes off instantly and doesn't give you any time to get it straight.
What should I have used please guys?
I've cut another bit of plywood and ordered more backscenes, but don't want to ruin them this time around......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on August 26, 2014, 04:17:22 pm
I found that a couple of sealing coats of the backboard by emulsion paint gave a surface that wallpaper paste locked into well
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: rhysapthomas on August 26, 2014, 04:48:10 pm
Ouch  That looks like it will hurt

I did a small backscene 8in high 2ft 6in long  and used prit stick glue with a wall paper roller to flatten it all down.  Does depend on size though?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 28, 2014, 09:32:51 am
I'm wary of using wallpaper paste as it is water-based.
I used pritstick sticking my road down, and it is already peeling a bit.
I suspect that now autumn seems to be here it's a bit damp in the summerhouse :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 02, 2014, 05:15:14 pm

Well the playroom trainroom summerhouse door now has a most appropriate accessory  :D

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/wookery.jpg)

I'm well pleased with it...

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 02, 2014, 05:21:20 pm
Excellent. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 02, 2014, 08:28:55 pm
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 02, 2014, 09:20:22 pm
You do realise there's a ghost in there taking a picture of a YREKOOW :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 02, 2014, 09:25:41 pm
There was a lot more of him before I cropped the photo - didn't want tp scare the forum.
It's OK, I'm a medium, I'll deal with him  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 02, 2014, 09:28:08 pm
There was a lot more of him before I cropped the photo - didn't want tp scare the forum.
It's OK, I'm a medium, I'll deal with him  :D

As long as you're not a happy medium as they tend to get struck quite a lot :doh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 02, 2014, 09:30:15 pm
No I'm an extra large medium  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 05, 2014, 03:37:25 pm

I've been beavering away on the High Street backing scene, which is literally a HIGH street  :)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene1.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene2.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene3.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene4.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene5.JPG)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/backscene6.JPG)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: scotsoft on September 05, 2014, 03:46:33 pm
You have done a very good job matching the buildings with the back scene  :thumbsup:

 :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on September 05, 2014, 03:57:24 pm
Youve made a good job of that. Everything seems fit in nicely as if it was a single set of items and backdrop
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 05, 2014, 05:11:21 pm
Excellent scenic modelling; everything, as others have already mentioned, blends together very nicely. Can we see some trains in the next set of pictures, please?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 05, 2014, 09:04:11 pm
Looks great, Wookie :thumbsup:
I especially like the run down end of terrace in the last pic
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 05, 2014, 09:06:22 pm
That is really, really good and I must repeat - it all blends in so well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 05, 2014, 09:54:16 pm
Thanks guys. I spent hours working out what would go where to blend it all together.
I think it needs a derelict car on the bit of wasteland.
The demolished end of terrace (and derelict adjoining property) and the wasteland are meant to represent wartime bomb damage that hasn't yet been built on, and the more modern businesses are meant to have been built on other bomb sites. The scenario being that the goods yard would have been a target. I believe that there were still many areas like this, even as late as the mid-60's
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 06, 2014, 07:13:19 pm
Can we see some trains in the next set of pictures, please?


(sigh) OK...here is the Scalescenes bridge that I have kitbashed to produce a double central arch with a single either side....with a double headed express including my new toy thundering through  :D

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/hymeks.JPG)

Do you like the spring diving board on the end of the bridge?  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 06, 2014, 08:42:18 pm
You just need a miniature Tom Daley flying through the air !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2014, 09:14:43 pm
Very nice modelling, indeed. Did one of the 'Hymeks' fail?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 06, 2014, 09:18:37 pm
Can I ask, are the Hymeks both powered or is one a dummy ?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 06, 2014, 10:16:03 pm
One is a dummy - that's my new toy  :D
They were often used double headed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 07, 2014, 06:48:22 pm
Great locos. I grew up with the Hymeks and saw the whole class as a youngster. If I recall, for some reason D7044 eluded me for quite a while !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 07, 2014, 07:51:27 pm
Some of you that have been foll0wing this thread may recall that a while back I fitted two new sidings that allowed me to store stock not currently in use:

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/sidings.jpg)

They were handy for railing-up stock, but not hugely useful as I rapidly realised that although one of them could access the up mainline, neither of them could easily get out onto the down line! My total ignorance of prototypical rail use, plus my inexperienced designing skills, led me to build a fiddle yard that was pretty  :censored: useless really. Additionally the big block of points towards the front of the picture was very difficult to work manually, and just about impossible to fit motors to or even use a wire-in-tube method.
I've given it a lot of thought over the last few weeks, and today I ripped a lot of it apart! With an extra four sets of points (I really should buy some shares in Peco) I have come up with this arrangement:

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/fiddleyard.JPG)

Hopefully it now gives me lots of spots where trains can be parked to allow others past, plus there are now four storage sidings. Sadly they are only long enough to hold an engine and three carriages, but the plan is to fit another board at right angles at each end, with multiple long sidings, fed from the two sidings at each end. At the near end they now have easy access to the up line, whilst those at the far end can move across to the down line, so with the new boards I will have separate up and down fiddle yards and arriving trains can be quickly reversed straight into departure lanes.

What surprises me is that six months ago I didn't know anything about the wiring needed, and had never soldered anything. In an afternoon I've ripped this all apart, relaid the track and soldered around 30 new droppers in place. A quick test run on all the tracks at the end, and they all run perfectly :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 07, 2014, 08:19:03 pm
The new storage yard looks much more user friendly :thumbsup:
Shame you're so far away - you could come round and do my soldering for me :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 07, 2014, 08:37:31 pm
I think Chris would be first in line if distance were no object  ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 07, 2014, 10:18:28 pm
Can you do mine as well please ? :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 08, 2014, 12:26:23 pm
Form an orderly queue please  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 08, 2014, 02:31:52 pm
Form an orderly queue please  :bounce:

Please Sir. Please Sir!
I asked first, Sir :angel:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 08, 2014, 02:45:49 pm
You're all mad  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: scotsoft on September 08, 2014, 03:06:53 pm
You're all mad  :D

You mean to say it has taken you 227 posts to realise that  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2014, 03:18:32 pm
Great locos. I grew up with the Hymeks and saw the whole class as a youngster. If I recall, for some reason D7044 eluded me for quite a while !

I remember the Hymeks very fondly and was often pulled by them on trains home from school. Alas, I did not see all 101, I missed seeing about 7.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 11, 2014, 03:31:53 pm
Damn! I've lost one of the buffers off my new GF Warship!
Any idea where I can get replacements?
I've had a quick look through BR Lines and Peters Spares, but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack....

These foam-lined storage boxes are all very well, but the buffers and couplings get caught in the foam, and I've lost several now.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 12, 2014, 05:24:10 pm
You can buy: P&D Marsh White Metal Kit N - A230 - Diesel Loco buffers (6 round, 6 oval).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2014, 07:25:48 pm
OK thanks Chris.
Looks like I'll have to replace both to make sure that they match.
Perhaps I'll put them on the back end....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 12, 2014, 07:28:44 pm
My pleasure. You may find that they match perfectly?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2014, 07:32:42 pm
Yes, with luck.....although whether my painting of them will match is another matter  :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 12, 2014, 07:43:36 pm
Get the thinnest paintbrush you can find and use thin coats of paint in bright light would be my tips. Afterwards, you can lightly weather both buffers and the bufferbeam so that any colour difference does not show.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 26, 2014, 06:22:32 pm
Well, I emailed Bachmann and explained that I was bereft to have lost a buffer from my new engine and asked where I could buy a spare. I didn't get a reply, but today a replacement turned up in the post  :D
That's what I call good public relations!

Now, do I pull ALL the buffers out of all my engines and glue them in place?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 03, 2014, 12:28:23 pm
Evilbay never ceases to amaze me. I listed something for sale very cheaply - it had over 750 views and 43 watchers.....and didn't get a bid!
Yet anything I want to buy sells for silly money  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 03, 2014, 07:42:13 pm
That is eBay: always unpredictable.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 03, 2014, 09:09:34 pm
Evilbay never ceases to amaze me. I listed something for sale very cheaply - it had over 750 views and 43 watchers.....and didn't get a bid!
Yet anything I want to buy sells for silly money  :veryangry:
That happens to me all the time to !
People say that their are N Gauge bargains on fleabay but whenever I bid for anything the price goes well above what I'm prepared to pay !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 03, 2014, 09:14:39 pm
I sell a lot of stuff on ebay, and 750 viewers is an absolutely phenomenal number!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 04, 2014, 07:12:24 am
750 views is amazing. I'm lucky if I get 1!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 06, 2014, 11:10:27 am

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/fireengine.JPG)

My kids bought me a load of Oxford Diecast today for my birthday. Top of my wants list was a fire engine for my fire station.
The plan was to have it parked in the space at the side (to hide the fact it is a Birmingham engine, and my layout is Bristol), but unfortunately it is too long for that.
When I extend the road into the next module I may create a bigger parking space at the other side, or I may be brave enough to look for some "City of Bristol" transfers.
I don't think that spectators would be able to read the lettering across a 2'6" wide board though.
I think it sets the fire station off nicely  :D
I also got several cars, a VW camper, and two Morris Minor Post Office Telephones vans for some obscure reason!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 06, 2014, 11:19:55 am
Very nice. Happy Birthday! You can always make your own transfers if you have an ink jet colour printer. (It is what I plan to do for the Castle Brewery and Castle Estates wagons.)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/How_to_make_custom_waterslide_decals (http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/How_to_make_custom_waterslide_decals)

I've read good things about CraftyComputerPaper on the forum (search on Google) -- from the U.K. I've also read strong recommendations for MicroSet and MicroSol, both from MicroScaleIndustries Inc. MicroSet softens the decal and strengthens the bond on the surface. MicroSol is said to be just pure magic, as it is a solvent and literally melts the decal onto the surface for a "painted on look". It also means that you can apply transfers to insanely complicated and irregular surfaces perfectly. I've found many sellers in the U.K.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on October 06, 2014, 11:38:30 am
Have a Happy modelling Birthday from me as well :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 06, 2014, 11:47:24 am
Have a great birthday, Wookie :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 06, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Thanks guys :beers:

I've spent part of the afternoon ripping up my fiddle yard again  :(
I had a play running spell the other day, and I found that I hadn't got it right - I could get on and off the up line from the sidings, and could get onto the down but couldn't get off it again!
I think I have it right now, and have started pinning it down again........ watch this space
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 07, 2014, 05:06:17 pm
Well, a couple of hours this afternoon and all the track is relaid, new droppers soldered in where necessary, and my trusty class 22 whizzed up and down all lines and across all points and everything works perfick  :)

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/fiddle.JPG)

As you can see, the two left hand sidings at top and bottom can now get on and off both the up and down main lines.
They leave from one end and then arrive at the opposite end, and can then be reversed straight back into the departure end, facing the correct way to leave next time.
The two extreme right rails are branch lines which terminate in the fiddle yard.
I'm very pleased with it now as it is good operationally. I can only run trains with 3 or 4 carriages, but I can live with that.
When I eventually build all the extension boards, which will give me a 4'6" long fiddle yard, I'll be able to run full length prototypical trains and they will have a much longer track to run round. At the moment they would literally be tail chasers, with the tail end just disappearing at one end whilst the engine reappears at the other!

As a beginner I feel a little strange giving tips, but here are a couple of things that I discovered for myself......
(Chris you had better look away for the first one :) )

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/rail.JPG)

In a complicated layout with lots of points in a small area it can be REALLY hard to get everything into position before fixing down, especially with DCC where the points have to be fitted with insulated joiners. Rather than trying to cram the connecting piece of rail in between two fixed points I now bridge it with two pieces of track butted together, and then once fixed down I solder the join. (I did warn you Chris) This way you can get it dead level across the join and be assured of good electrical connectivity, and it is MUCH easier to make alterations.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/wire.JPG)

When you have made a lot of changes to your trackage, or are reusing an old board, and have drilled new holes where you want your new droppers, when you turn it upside down it can be bloo.....  very hard to find the right holes again in amongst all the old ones. I now thread a wire from above through both new holes and push them right through. My power bus is wired in red and black, so using a different colour makes them instantly spottable from underneath.

It might help somebody.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 07, 2014, 07:25:35 pm
Many thanks. Great to see the full extent of your impressive layout. Fortunately, Cant Cove is only a small module so I think I won't have the same challenges as you. Moreover, when I do need some soldering I will have everything organised so that someone can come to do it all for me, I hope.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 07, 2014, 08:17:46 pm
I love the fiddle yard. That will give you plenty of scope for operating many varied trains.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 08, 2014, 02:37:30 pm
So, two months after I bought a rather rough secondhand Hymek for 75 quid (I was desperate for one) Dapol have re-released them and Hattons have them for £79
GGGGGGgRRRRRRRrrrrr
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 08, 2014, 04:23:01 pm
Ah, yes; plus Ivatt 2-6-2Ts (I paid MUCH more for my pair secondhand than the new ones). I also paid a bit more secondhand for my 45XXs. But who knew, last year, that Dapol would have a last production run?

I'm very tempted to buy a BR Blue 'Hymek' to join my two Green ones.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 14, 2014, 07:13:43 pm
The marketing department of the Castle Estates is looking to expand its customer base; could a Castle Estate liveried standard ventilated van make an appearance? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 26, 2014, 08:32:19 pm
I'm in the process of scrapping all the buildings on my layout and replacing them with new ones.
I'm currently building the new goods shed, which is quite a bit bigger than the old Peco one.
I've been adding scenic touches of crates barrels and drums etc on the platform, and it has struck me just how small these buildings were!
Unloading a couple of box vans would have filled the platform. There must have been a VERY organised system in place to quickly redistribute goods as they were received or the place would have ground to a halt. I can't imagine that they would wait for local consignees to collect their own goods with their own vehicle, or again they would be in trouble. And yet I can't say that I have seen any photos of goods shed with a storage warehouse beside them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 26, 2014, 08:41:46 pm
I look forward to seeing the photos. In the South-West, WR and SR goods yards often had 'provender stores', small warehouses, to store fertiliser for collection by local farmers.

One of the problems that the railways had with wagonload goods was that, on arrival, the wagons were used as temporary stores until the consignee arrived to collect them, thus keeping the wagons from earning revenue.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 27, 2014, 05:16:21 pm
I look forward to seeing the photos.


Not much to see yet really Chris. You.ve seen my backscene buildings, a lot of which were made from Scalescenes kits. I fell in love with the kits and decided that they are far better than anything I have built and painted!
I bought an etched brass garage kit, but was absolutely terrified of starting it as it was so complicated and fiddly. I built this Scalescenes one instead and I'm well pleased with it. The brass one will be going on eBay!

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/garage.JPG)

This is the goods shed so far...

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/goods.JPG)

I'm hoping to get it finished tomorrow.
I could build a small warehouse to go next to it quite easily.
What signage would it have? Still "Goods Shed"?

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 06:49:05 pm
Those buildings look really excellent. I have yet to try a brass kit although I have one for a GWR Shunter's Truck.

If you look at the 'warehouses', more storage sheds, they normally have the name of a local Agricultural Merchant who distributed fertiliser, seeds, etc. Goods sheds were designed for loading and unloading not storage.

Those beams in the goods shed are excellent, like what I want to make from balsa wood for Cant Cove loco. shed but I presume these are made from cardboard?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 27, 2014, 07:08:27 pm
Each beam is made from 4 separate pieces of cardboard.
The buildings are so strong when finished, I think you could almost stand on them (but I won't put that to the test).

I built a viaduct from one of the kits, but it didn't fit the spacings of my lines.
I very carefully cut it to pieces, fabricated new arches from a sheet of brick paper, put it all back together and it bridges (pun intended) the lines exactly and looks great.
My first kitbashing  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 07:14:33 pm
Well done. Whilst I do like scratchbuilding (and will have to do some for the goods shed, signal box and station buildings) I do enjoy 'kit bashing'. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 27, 2014, 07:38:28 pm
That garage looks really good.
I'm very impressed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on October 27, 2014, 07:53:43 pm
Those buildings look great!  I love the garage in particular.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 27, 2014, 08:57:55 pm
The garage sign says they do car sales too, so it gives me the opportunity to have a row of cars for sale outside  :D

I think the goods shed will look good too - hopefully pics tomorrow.
Next in line is the station buildings, then a bloody great warehouse  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 09:06:31 pm
Something like this -- Trelill Provendor Store -- (it does not have to be so big as you imply) would look appropriate:

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/RLY-MODEL-TrelillProvenderStore_zps64578856.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/RLY-MODEL-TrelillProvenderStore_zps64578856.jpg.html)

This is a mythical North Cornwall Railway station model. I aim to scratchbuild something very similar but, until then, I have some suitable models, including one of these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-Scenecraft-N-Gauge-Building-Provendor-Store-42-004-/181569074826? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-Scenecraft-N-Gauge-Building-Provendor-Store-42-004-/181569074826?)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 28, 2014, 12:41:22 pm
Yes, I had just spotted one of those on eBay too.
It looks a little too rural for my edge-of-city layout I think.
I'll have to see how much space I have, as I'd like to stick one of these next to the goods shed:

http://scalescenes.com/products/T024a-Industrial-A---Warehouse (http://scalescenes.com/products/T024a-Industrial-A---Warehouse)

My timetable for the goods shed completion might have been a bit optimistic - it has just taken me one and a half hours to build the set of steps.
Well worth the effort though as they look great, and have solved my problem of steps up to the station platform level from roadside - I can just print off some extras and make a set for either end  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 28, 2014, 01:23:00 pm
Ah, yes, true. A small warehouse would be far more in keeping with your urban location.

It is indeed surprising how long model building construction takes.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 28, 2014, 02:29:55 pm
Yep, another hour spent on the hipped office roof!
Very fiddly.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 30, 2014, 04:03:16 pm
Well I finished the goods shed.....


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/goods1.JPG)


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/goods2.JPG)

Hmm that NO PARKING sign is a bit wonky above!
...and so is the chimney pot below!


(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/goods3.JPG)

It didn't turn out quite as well as I hoped, but it is ok.
Close ups of N gauge never look that wonderful though - it looks ok from a little way back.
Next job is a new engine shed.....then station buildings....then big warehouse (sigh)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2014, 04:37:28 pm
It looks very good to me; you should be able to adjust the sign and the chimney pot? You're absolutely correct: close-ups of N Scale models always show up details that need to be fixed / improved.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2014, 05:00:57 pm
very nice buildings, must admit i have not tried the scalescene kits yet. i have built a few metcalfe kits and altered them a bit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 01, 2014, 07:48:11 pm
A bit off-topic, but it was our club open day today and I finally got to run some nice length trains!
The modular layout has a 9 foot long fiddle yard section, which is great.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/openday.JPG)

Four lines taken over with my diesel-hydraulics  :bounce:
The double headed Hymeks drew a lot of comments as not something seen commonly on DC layouts.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2014, 07:54:42 pm
Very impressive. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 01, 2014, 08:04:05 pm
I can't vouch for 1946 as that was the year I was born, but in the 1960's I worked in the goods yard at Brentwood where one of my duties  was to climb on top of containers to fix the chains to the hook of the yard crane. If there wqere several to be loaded?unloaded I would ride the container from wagon to lorry (or visa versa) the unhook the chains, put my foot in the hook ,hold on to the cable and be swung over to the next container and so on until they were all transhipped. Not a practise allowed under modern H&E rules but fun and got the job done more quickly!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 01, 2014, 09:25:45 pm

The double headed Hymeks drew a lot of comments as not something seen commonly on DC layouts.

Would I be correct in thinking one of the Hymeks was a 'dummy'?
Not sure either of my green powered ones would pull that much :hmmm: :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 01, 2014, 10:08:19 pm
Yes it's a dummy I picked up a few weeks ago but it looks really good.
It was so nice watching them go round with a decent rake of coaches  :)
I can only fit a loco and about 3 coaches into the sidings on my layout at the moment.
Eventually it will have a good big fiddle yard like the club one......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2014, 10:14:47 pm
Yes it looks good that nice big fiddle yard. my board with the fiddle yard is 8' long but you lose quite a bit with the curves at each end.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 01, 2014, 10:18:17 pm
I have a cunning plan to get round that problem but you'll probably have to wait a year to see what it is :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 11:52:30 am
Information request:

I've seen photos of green Bulleid coaches visiting the Bristol area - does anybody know whether a class 411 4CEP would have done so?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2014, 11:57:30 am
Alas, I cannot think of any reason why a Class 411 4CEP would visit the Bristol area unless it was going to a preservation site, probably for use as loco-hauled stock.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 12:00:04 pm
That's a shame, I thought perhaps there might have been some kind of cross-border service.
Oh well  :'(

I'm still hoping to find evidence that the blue Pullman did so  8)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2014, 12:02:01 pm
That's a shame, I thought perhaps there might have been some kind of cross-border service.
Oh well  :'(

I'm still hoping to find evidence that the blue Pullman did so  8)


That is no problem, they did. Blue Pullman at Bristol Bath Road
Met-Cam 8 Pullman "Blue Pullman" W6009? at Bristol Bath Road in the company of a Hymek 1966:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman_fotter/5310832026/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman_fotter/5310832026/)

And:
http://bristol-rail.co.uk/w/images/thumb/c/c3/CoverShot54.jpg/700px-CoverShot54.jpg (http://bristol-rail.co.uk/w/images/thumb/c/c3/CoverShot54.jpg/700px-CoverShot54.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 12:04:43 pm
 :bounce: WONDERFUL!  :bounce:
Previously I understand it didn't go anywhere near Bristol!
I just have to save my pennies now then.......
That is one beautiful train.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 12:23:17 pm
Ah, I've just remembered what the problem is....the GF model is the MIDLAND Pullman.

Hmmmmmm........

"British Rail regret to announce that due to an engine failure the Bristol to London Pullman service with be replaced with alternative rolling stock"

 :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2014, 12:32:04 pm
I think Rule One applies, here. Not many people could tell the two apart at normal viewing distances anyway.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 12:37:17 pm
There are so many examples of photos that proved something was the exception to the rule, I would be very very surprised if a Midland Pullman was never ever used on say a Wolverhampton or Birmingham trip to Bristol.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 04, 2014, 01:46:34 pm
Ah, I've just remembered what the problem is....the GF model is the MIDLAND Pullman.

Hmmmmmm........



 :D

Yes but Western Region had them after the Midland finished with them and I think they ran them as 12 car units. So you could buy 2

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 04, 2014, 01:53:36 pm
The Western Region added 2 extra coaches to the Midland 6 coach sets and their 8 coach version carried second class too.
Mustermark of this parish has built a great looking Western Pullman (although the colours are wrong for me).......

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg251064#msg251064 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg251064#msg251064)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 04, 2014, 02:01:25 pm
The Western Region added 2 extra coaches to the Midland 6 coach sets and their 8 coach version carried second class too.
Mustermark of this parish has built a great looking Western Pullman (although the colours are wrong for me).......

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg251064#msg251064[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg251064#msg251064[/url])


Thanks for that, I wasn't sure what WR did with them. I agree about the colour change it didn't do them any favours!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 03:31:24 pm
Mustermark of this parish has built a great looking Western Pullman (although the colours are wrong for me).......

He's a b :censored: y sight braver than I am with a beautiful 200+ quid model!
I just checked on the history of the NEC, but it didn't open until 1976, 10 years too late for me.
There was going to be a special Midland Pullman Bristol to the NEC excursion hahahaha
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on November 04, 2014, 04:00:32 pm
As there seems to be many pictures of the the original colour scheme Blue Pullman at both Paddington and Bristol and my layout covers these areas mine are staying in the original colour scheme too as it looks much nicer than the revised WR livery.   I did come across one picture that shows a WR set with both colours in one train so there is even an excuse for that.

Here's one picture I came across that shows two separate trains at Paddington in the original livery.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3514/3777530158_80c7a5f898_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2014, 04:30:01 pm
They really were beautiful weren't they?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
Very beautiful, indeed. They MIGHT have been used on upmarket specials?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 04, 2014, 09:29:20 pm
Such a shame that, as steam was, they were scrapped with indecent haste :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 10, 2014, 10:24:06 pm
In the South-West, WR and SR goods yards often had 'provender stores'

Well, how amazing, talk about a sense of good timing, look what Scalescenes have just released...
http://scalescenes.com/products/R002 (http://scalescenes.com/products/R002)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2014, 08:31:16 am
Very interesting Mike. Yes, that looks like the sort of building an agricultural merchant might have in a station goods yard. Looking at my photos. of North Cornwall goods yards, they seem to have been built from concrete sections.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 11, 2014, 08:37:18 am
In the South-West, WR and SR goods yards often had 'provender stores'

Well, how amazing, talk about a sense of good timing, look what Scalescenes have just released...
[url]http://scalescenes.com/products/R002[/url] ([url]http://scalescenes.com/products/R002[/url])

That looks good. I've never had a go at a Scalescenes download but might just be tempted by that one.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 11, 2014, 10:20:18 am
I've just finished building the Scalescenes station, and I'm in the process of changing all my buildings over to them.
They take time (station has taken a week) and are fiddly, but the finished product is worth the work.
I'm treating all these early ones as practice, as I'm a bit messy with the glue, but I've just bought a fine point glue applicator and once I've mastered it I will probably print them all off again and rebuild them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2014, 11:12:02 am
I look forward to seeing pictures of the finished models when you're happy with them, Mike. I agree that practice makes perfect. I will stick to plastic kits (and plastic sheets, etc.) for my buildings as I like constructing and painting them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 11, 2014, 04:39:35 pm
Mike, I too would be very interested in seeing pictures of the finished items so............... :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 11, 2014, 09:16:11 pm
I downloaded the station in the wrong colour brick by mistake  :-[
I built it anyway, partly for practice and partly to see what size it came out at.
It is smaller than my old Kestrel one, so I can have a slimmer platform, which in turn frees up a bit more space for the road in front, which was a bit constricted.
I'm completely altering the plan for all my buildings and factories etc. I realised that I was trying to cram too much in and making it very un-prototypical.
I'm also slightly altering the goods sidings, putting in an extra pair of points, so that I can do a run round with goods wagons.
It should make it all more interesting to operate.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 11, 2014, 09:20:21 pm
It is very easy to try to cram too much into a small space so it's good that you are having a rethink.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 12, 2014, 08:10:57 pm
It is very easy to try to cram too much into a small space so it's good that you are having a rethink.

Very true, Martin; I am very conscious of that with Cant Cove but what I won't use should be still useful for Penmayne (in the distant future). After semester ends I plan to mark out on the baseboard where everything will go and place buildings, or quick cardboard mockups, in position to check how it all fits together.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 12, 2014, 08:50:16 pm
It is very easy to try to cram too much into a small space so it's good that you are having a rethink.

Very true, Martin; I am very conscious of that with Cant Cove but what I won't use should be still useful for Penmayne (in the distant future). After semester ends I plan to mark out on the baseboard where everything will go and place buildings, or quick cardboard mockups, in position to check how it all fits together.

I think very rough card mock ups work well. t helps to get a perspective  of what works (and maybe what doesn't work)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 12, 2014, 08:54:25 pm
Yes, I need to do that, Martin. I have scale plans for everything (or can quickly make cardboard replicas of unbuilt kits). I'm not convinced my 'scale' layout plan is accurate width-wise; length-wise I think so.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 13, 2014, 12:16:17 pm
I saw one of these Rail-Tech gizmos on another thread and thought "wow, I've got to have that" so I bought a couple to play with.......

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/lamp.JPG)

I think they look even better on this type of buffer stop.
I've cut a slot in the buffer crossbeam for it to fit into. It just needs a tiny bit more trimmed off at track level, then the light will fit flush.
A bit of plasticard wood across the front and I think it will look sensational  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 13, 2014, 12:27:23 pm
Looks very good, Mike. I agree that a bit of plasticard wood across the front to hide the second light will be the finishing touch. I bought something similar already mounted in a bufferstop that I'm planning to use in the headshunt that ends above the cove,
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 13, 2014, 01:20:04 pm
I meant that a piece of "wood" across the base would cover up the gubbins that connects to the rail.
I assume that you are saying the prototype only has one light - presumably from a bullseye oil lamp hung on the buffers?
It's easy enough to pop a spot of paint over the lower tiny LED to blot it out.
Seems a bit strange creating one with two lamps especially to fit rail tracks though - unless other countries use two, so they are covering all options.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 13, 2014, 01:57:50 pm
Ah, yes, I understand: the plasticard would cover the gap in the bufferstop but I meant that there should only be one lamp to represent the usual oil lamp on bufferstops. I think, these days, bufferstops have two electric lamps one over the other which is what this LED lamp set was designed to represent.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 11:39:39 am
I just got my blue Pullman :)
Finally saw one at the right price!

Bu :censored: er the location, I claim RULE ONE  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2014, 11:43:29 am
Congratulations, Mike. Looking forward to seeing it running. "Rule One" applies; it could always be working a "special", after all. If they were not so expensive I'd be tempted to have one for "specials", too, they are so attractive.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 18, 2014, 11:47:30 am
Congratulations, Mike. Looking forward to seeing it running. "Rule One" applies; it could always be working a "special", after all. If they were not so expensive I'd be tempted to have one for "specials", too, they are so attractive.

They really aren't that expensive, compare the price with a loco and 5 coaches.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 11:49:26 am
They still keep selling at auction for 200 quid, when I swore I wouldn't pay more than £150.
Somebody just listed one for £150 buy it now  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 11:57:55 am
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/platform.jpg)

The base for the new platform one is in and the glue has set. I just took the pins out and test fitted the platform surface and it looks to be a good fit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2014, 12:14:06 pm
They still keep selling at auction for 200 quid, when I swore I wouldn't pay more than £150.
Somebody just listed one for £150 buy it now  :D

£150 is a good price, I agree. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on November 18, 2014, 12:21:28 pm
They still keep selling at auction for 200 quid, when I swore I wouldn't pay more than £150.
Somebody just listed one for £150 buy it now  :D

Lucky devil I've been looking too, you are lucky I was in a meeting :D

PS You can still buy the yellow fronted one at Hattons for £170...
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2014, 12:30:30 pm
The yellow front really spoils the model's looks, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 12:38:28 pm
Yes they only sell for around £140 on ebay - nobody likes them!
Wrong period for me anyway  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on November 18, 2014, 12:50:27 pm
I was looking for a cheaper one to buy and respray into Western Colours, I can't bring myself to destroy the immaculate Blue one I already have :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 18, 2014, 12:59:39 pm
I was looking for a cheaper one to buy and respray into Western Colours, I can't bring myself to destroy the immaculate Blue one I already have :D

Does it need a respray? Apart from the missing coaches the only difference I can see is that instead of Midland Pullman it just says pullman, and of course, the Vehicle and unit nos. would be different.
 For the missing coaches would BR mk 2 fit?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on November 18, 2014, 01:13:07 pm
Blue on grey, not grey on blue livery I believe :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2014, 01:22:22 pm
There was an article in the N Gauge Society Magazine how to convert the Midland Pullman to a WR Pullman set using Mark II coaches.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 01:23:44 pm
I was looking for a cheaper one to buy and respray into Western Colours, I can't bring myself to destroy the immaculate Blue one I already have :D

Yes I posted on another thread somewhere that I wouldn't be brave enough to risk wrecking a £200+ model to try for the conversion.
Mine will be visiting Bristol on a businessman's special  8)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 18, 2014, 01:46:35 pm
Blue on grey, not grey on blue livery I believe :D

depends on era rather than region.They all started life white on blue with Pullman crest, then lost the crest in favour of yellow panels, then after the midland sent theirs to add to those in W.R. they all (eventually) went blue on grey to match other Pullman coaches which had been resprayed from brown and cream.
So should be possible to add two coaches and remove the word Midland and not wreck the original.
I'm lucky I am modelling a station on the route of the Midland version so no mods or rule 1 for me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 03:05:17 pm
Lucky devil I've been looking too, you are lucky I was in a meeting :D
I have to find another 40 quid for chips for it......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 18, 2014, 03:20:09 pm
Lucky devil I've been looking too, you are lucky I was in a meeting :D
I have to find another 40 quid for chips for it......

B****y h**l  I should use another chippy You can get enough for six including fish from ours for that!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 18, 2014, 03:39:01 pm
Oi! I do the jokes round here! :D

If you are going to rip it apart to rebuild and respray, then one of the cheaper full yellow ends would do you.

Just stuck the platform top on, it looks quite good
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 18, 2014, 04:10:54 pm
See the blue/grey Western Pullman here...............

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg250950#msg250950 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23764.msg250950#msg250950)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: steve836 on November 18, 2014, 04:19:21 pm
Never did like the blue/grey livery for Pullmans. In the blue/grey era probably seemed like a good idea to reverse it for pullmans, but I don't think it worked in practice. I noticed that the HST was in the same colour, was that correct or has he slipped up. The only time I saw the prototype HST it was the same colour as the APT.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 12:16:40 pm
Well not only was it a bargain buy, but he did himself on the postage too - charged me £7.50 then it cost him 11 quid!
Beautiful looking set though  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jd on November 19, 2014, 01:01:21 pm
The Pullman looks fantastic. Just a bit late for my era. But it's a stunning model.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 03:23:59 pm
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/platform1.JPG)

Well the platform top is on and looking pretty good I think

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/platform2.JPG)

An alternative view just for Chris cos I know he likes to moan about gaps underneath things  :D
(Don't worry Chris, it will be covered up)

I don't know if this will work as I can't remember how to link or embed videos, but hopefully this is a shot of my new pride and joy.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsd0kdKQsds&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsd0kdKQsds&feature=youtu.be)

...if not hopefully an awfully nice mod will be along to mess it up completely sort it out for me  :-*
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 19, 2014, 04:38:15 pm
It works :thumbsup:
The thought of it plummeting off the layout scares the doo-dah out of me, though :worried:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 04:47:38 pm
It works :thumbsup:
The thought of it plummeting off the layout scares the doo-dah out of me, though :worried:

Unfortunately it did, pieces all over the floor  :goggleeyes:
I put all the pieces back together and it's fine, but a buffer snapped off.
Luckily I think a sourced a new one!
Next job on the list before any more train running is some Perspex along the front edge!!!!

I didn't realise that it has powered units at both ends, so if the front derails the back just carries on pushing  :'(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2014, 06:30:40 pm
Thanks, Mike. Yes, gaps under platforms and buildings are one of my pet peeves; alas, close-up photographs always reveal such things. Other than that, the platform looks very good.

Broken buffers seem to be a hazard with N Gauge models. I, accidentally, broke a pair off the end of my SR brakevan through not carefully removing it from a 'painting mask', recently. Sticking one back on (finally) went well but I lost the other. Still I have some spares from scrapped wagon chassis.

Definitely, get that protective perspex in place.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 19, 2014, 06:38:34 pm
That platform looks pretty good to me.
Good to see a good length on a platform, often (including mine) are too short !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 06:42:05 pm
It's not actually that long mate, just looks it in the pictures. Probably only 4 coaches max to be able to use the run round loop
The island platform will be even shorter, as you can tell from the bare patch where it will sit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2014, 07:02:43 pm
I think four coaches is a reasonable compromise. Seven coaches is more realistic but simply too long for most layouts. I think six, more likely, five (I'll take out a SK) will be my maximum for both Cant Cove's platforms and Penmayne's longest platform.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 07:08:34 pm
Don't forget it's not a mainline station, only a branch line.
Four coaches will be enough for my needs.
I might try for a mainline station on one of the side modules when I get around to building them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2014, 07:46:33 pm
Some branchline stations were built for much higher levels of traffic than they ever experienced. Others (later ones) were built for far more realistic levels of passengers. Four coaches sounds reasonable. Under BR, a 3-car DMU was probably the longest passenger train most branches normally saw.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 22, 2014, 12:30:37 pm
The thought of it plummeting off the layout scares the doo-dah out of me, though :worried:

It's just cost me 70 quid to order the Perspex to go round 3 sides of the layout as it stands at the moment  :veryangry:
It will be worth it though if it a) prevents another (almost) costly crash and b) keeps little fingers away at shows.
Trouble is, it isn't always the tiny tots that want to touch everything - there was one particularly troublesome teenager at our last show.
I've made it a bit taller than on most other layouts cos I really don't want to be in a situation where I may lose my cool with some brat (or their parents)!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 22, 2014, 12:58:58 pm
A very wise investment, I think.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 22, 2014, 12:59:36 pm

Mine will be visiting Bristol on a businessman's special  8)

Not quite so ridiculous as I read an article (Railway Mag) ? on Football Specials and the midland set was chartered for one by one of the clubs in the 60's. Will have been in the last year as a friend bought over a job lot in September.

Jerry
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 22, 2014, 01:02:27 pm
Ah, yes, it was indeed in the "Railway Magazine" earlier this year, I'll have to find the picture then scan and email it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 22, 2014, 01:48:16 pm
Football Specials and the midland set was chartered for one by one of the clubs in the 60's.

They let 1960's football hooligans onto their beautiful blue Pullman?
I'm gobsmacked. I know from experience that coach companies used their roughest old motors for football specials by road, unless you were a regular group that went to all the matches and they knew you.

There's a film on youtube that was set aboard a midland Pullman and had some lovely shots of one.
There's a bit a continuity problem though as a couple of the distant shots are of one with a full yellow end, and then it pulls into St Pancras with a coat of arms on the front hahahaha
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 22, 2014, 02:22:41 pm
It was a directors' special so no ordinary hooligans on board.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 22, 2014, 02:56:07 pm
Must have had a big board of of directors to fill a Pullman  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 22, 2014, 03:01:02 pm
They had a LOT of friends. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 26, 2014, 02:11:55 pm
A very wise investment, I think.

Bummer, I just found out the quote didn't include VAT, so they actually cost me 85 quid!
They told me that there would be an offcut - just as well I took my Volvo estate to collect it, as the offcut was 8 feet long!
Luckily it is the same height as my ordered pieces, so when I extend the layout to an all-rounder I can use it on the side extensions and save even more expense.

All I have to do now is drill it without cracking it  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2014, 02:39:14 pm
I wish you success with that. A pity they would not also cut it for you.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 26, 2014, 02:42:15 pm
They did cut it - I have all the pieces I need to fit round my layout as it stands - plus an 8 foot offcut that I only have to cut in half to fit the sides when I expand the layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2014, 02:48:11 pm
Oh, I see; pity they did not cut the offcut then. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 26, 2014, 02:51:56 pm
Not really as I'm not 100% sure what size I will want the later pieces.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 26, 2014, 03:13:14 pm
Ah, I understand.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on November 26, 2014, 04:45:19 pm
Use a good sharp drill rotating slowly but only very very slight downward pressure to drill the stuff. I did find some years back that wide selloptape over the area to be drilled helps and a good quality masking tape across the rear.
Just take every hole slowly and gently. If it starts to smell hot STOP and let everything cool down  :worried:
Good luck
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 26, 2014, 04:52:00 pm
Interesting Jon
Factory told me to use a high speed drill, but to first make myself a 3 or 4 inch square of quarter inch MDF or plywood and drill a hole of the correct size in the centre, place this over the spot where I want to drill, press it down firmly, then drill through the hole.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on November 26, 2014, 10:42:41 pm
All I have to do now is drill it without cracking it  :goggleeyes:

It helps if you stick some masking tape over where the hole in the plastic is going to be.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on November 27, 2014, 09:17:30 am
Interesting Jon
Factory told me to use a high speed drill, but to first make myself a 3 or 4 inch square of quarter inch MDF or plywood and drill a hole of the correct size in the centre, place this over the spot where I want to drill, press it down firmly, then drill through the hole.
Things change over the years so go along with the factories advice. Its quite a few years since I drilled and fitted some
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 29, 2014, 11:34:44 am
Well, the bits I ordered from China have arrived very quickly indeed.
Excellently packed, nothing broken, and exactly what I ordered.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/lamps.JPG)

The lamps look well made. Can't test them yet, but I have no reason to think they won't work.
I also ordered some pre-wired white LEDs with built in resistors to light interiors of buildings.
The seller also included 10 free resistors for the yard lamps, even though I only bought 5  :D

As promised on another thread, his ebay ID is wehonest_cn
his shop is at http://stores.ebay.co.uk/wehonest/ (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/wehonest/)

He was highly recommended by a friend of mine, and I can say it seems to be true  ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 29, 2014, 11:40:37 am
Those are exactly what I plan to order from the same supplier, Mike, plus some more so I'll be very interested in how you get on installing them. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 29, 2014, 12:10:56 pm
I'll be soldering them  :D

LEDs are better for inside cardboard buildings (well any buildings really) as they produce no heat, whereas grain of wheats get hot.
I've also ordered some nice looking street lamps from a different source (not recommended to me) so I'll be interested to see how I get on with them.
I'm still looking for some lamps suitable for an ex-GWR station. I haven't looked very seriously yet though.
Can anybody recommend somewhere reliable and reasonably priced for electric signals, especially platform mounted start lights?
I saw some nice ones once and I'm blowed if I can remember where!  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 29, 2014, 01:33:40 pm
There is an excited rumour circulating around the Wookery goods yard that there will be some tanker wagons arriving on Christmas Day to fill the tanks of the new diesel fuelling point being constructed, ready for it to become operational in the new year.

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/esso.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 29, 2014, 01:43:47 pm
Those are very nice wagons, indeed, Mike. I have one (must have been sold from a set of three). Esso is also the supplier to Penmayne diesel depot and I have various Esso four-wheel tank wagons to cover the different eras I'm modelling from c. 1961-1968.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on November 29, 2014, 01:48:47 pm
Well, the bits I ordered from China have arrived very quickly indeed.
Excellently packed, nothing broken, and exactly what I ordered.

([url]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/lamps.JPG[/url])

The lamps look well made. Can't test them yet, but I have no reason to think they won't work.
I also ordered some pre-wired white LEDs with built in resistors to light interiors of buildings.
The seller also included 10 free resistors for the yard lamps, even though I only bought 5  :D

As promised on another thread, his ebay ID is wehonest_cn
his shop is at [url]http://stores.ebay.co.uk/wehonest/[/url] ([url]http://stores.ebay.co.uk/wehonest/[/url])

He was highly recommended by a friend of mine, and I can say it seems to be true  ;)


They look like the same ones I've used for Claywell goods yard, if so I think they are rated at 6v and not 12v so you either have to use a resistor or as I did, wire two in series (makes the bulbs last much longer as well).    ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 29, 2014, 01:53:47 pm
Yes they are 6v. As I said, he has sent me free resistors
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 29, 2014, 02:22:59 pm
Many thanks for that tip of wiring two in series; i would never have known about that.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 29, 2014, 04:16:50 pm
Well, the Perspex edge guards are all drilled successfully. I started with a 2mm drill to bore out a guide hole, and then used the bigger bit drilled through a hole in a piece of plywood held down firmly as suggested by the factory and it was a breeze. I just let the weight of the drill take it through, with no downward pressure. I had to cut pieces out of the corners of some of the guards, to fit round hinges on the baseboard sides, and that was also very easy with a junior hacksaw. I did make one bloomer, cutting one row of holes half and inch too high, which was annoying, so I drilled the correct ones somewhat offset to hopefully prevent them cracking across. They will be covered up by a strip across the front anyway. I've glued small blocks of doubled-up plywood along the inside edge of the baseboard, where the bolts will come through, to locate the fittings that the bolts screw into - I don't know what they are called  :-[ - you wind them in with an allen key.
So, I'm on schedule to be able to put some pictures in the next day or two  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on November 29, 2014, 06:05:05 pm
Well done that man  :thumbsup: I cringe at the very thought of drilling Perspex so its nice to know someone who managed it easily
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 30, 2014, 10:44:44 am
Damn! Summerhouse is too cold and the PVA hasn't set  :veryangry:
Now reglued and the heater on full blast....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 30, 2014, 11:06:16 am
I hope that it works this time around, Mike.

By the way at Cant Cove we have been discussing non-WR locos. that got to the Southwest including those that could be seen at Bristol.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 30, 2014, 11:58:33 am
Yes, glue is setting now Chris.
I've been following the non-WR thread  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 01, 2014, 04:23:27 pm
The Perspex is now in place.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uk2day/trains/perspex.JPG)

My beloved blue Pullman is now safe  :thumbsup:

Just one tiny adjustment to make in the right hand corner where the small piece doesn't quite line up with the long central section - a few minutes with the file and that will be sorted very quickly.
I was just too damn tired to take it off and do it today!

I'm not going to take the protective white films off until I'm ready to show it, as this stuff scratches VERY easily!
All the pieces will be wrapped up in fabric for transportation.

Unfortunately, every job seems to give me another job to do - in this case a repair job as I broke the track in the nearside right siding so that whole section of track will have to be replaced  :veryangry:
That's the trouble with having to lift the layout up on its side to work underneath. It will only get worse as more scenery and buildings are fixed into place.  :worried:


Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 01, 2014, 08:32:22 pm
Just read in a Dapol advert in the NGS newsletter that their class  122 is being released this month  :D
That's me shelling out for a motorised one and a dummy one then  :bounce:

After that, sell my DMU
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 01, 2014, 09:41:29 pm
Very good news, Mike. Until someone makes a RTR Class 116, 117 or 118, they are no suitable RTR WR DMUs except the Class 121 and 122. I already have a Class 122 (the most common type in North Cornwall) and am waiting for the 121. A Class 122 unpowered car is tempting though as two did run together early morning with the newspapers from Exeter splitting at Halwill Jn. to separately serve Bude and Padstow. Normally, I would not consider buying a dummy.

You should find a ready buyer for your DMU.

I wonder if Martin (Port Perran) will do the same as you?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 04, 2014, 10:46:16 am
Yesterday I replaced the stretch of track in my fiddle yard that I damaged the day before fitting my Perspex edging!  :(
I also jigged the goods yard sidings a little to fit in a run round....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/sidings2.jpg)

This should give me much more scope to play for operational interest.
It's funny how, from this angle, I can see exactly where the Dapol magnets are fitted, but from the rear, front  or overhead they are difficult to spot.
I think that I will need at least 3 more now.

I have decided that "less is more" on my layout, and I am scrapping a lot of the buildings I planned originally.
I had tried to cram far too many in, and it didn't leave enough space around each one for delivery vehicles, storage of materials, fencing, junk etc etc.
There will now be a goods shed near the end of the left hand longest siding, beyond that a very small warehouse, then the overhead gantry crane for loading/unloading conflats at the end of the short siding. Beyond that a small car repairs and used car joint. In the far distance at the end of the station platform will be a bigger warehouse or possibly furniture depository.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 05, 2014, 01:29:10 pm
This is probably old hat to most of you, but maybe noobs like me will find it useful:

I use an NCE digital controller. It plugs into an interface screwed to the side wall of my baseboard. The power plugs into it via a very inconvenient jackplug socket at the back - i.e. under the baseboard. It means you have to lift the board each time to plug it in, which can be a pain if you have lots of loose bits.
It also means that you can forget it is plugged in....which I did a couple of days ago when I moved the board. Result - it dragged and ripped the socket away from the circuit board  :veryangry:

I studied what was left - there was a small bracket soldered to the board, which had held the jackplug in place. I carefully de-soldered this and removed it.
There were then two stumps of wire left, where the connections had been. Again I de-soldered these and removed them. I was then able to solder two fresh wires to these connections and run them right under the board and bring them out to a plug socket at the side of the board, beside where all my existing sockets go into the control box.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/interface.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/plugs.jpg)

Now I can plug them all in and disconnect them at the same time, so no more accidents.
Much more convenient.
I wasn't at all sure if any special temperature iron or solder was needed to solder to a circuit board, but the altrernative was 15 quid for a new interface, so it was worth the risk. If I had melted it I wouldn't have been any worse off, so nothing ventured nothing gained.

On a different note - who broke the forum?
I've hardly been able to get in here the last couple of days!
Was it you again Chris with your zillion postings a day?  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2014, 04:06:38 pm
Alas, others have experienced the same problems, Mike, including me so, if I could not get on the NGF it wasn't me that broke it!  :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 04:32:04 pm
Managed a very satisfying afternoon's work today.
First of all I fitted and wired up motors to the two new points mentioned previously. As they will always both operate together I wired them off a new single switch added on the control panel. They weren't working as a pair properly initially, so I just reversed the wiring on one of them - perfect! Got the motors in the right spot first time too, which is always a result.

I found that one of the original points previously laid wasn't working - works one way but not the other, so guessed a wire had come loose. Took the front off the other control box and sure enough a wire had snapped off a switch. Easy to put right with a quick dab of the soldering iron, and again satisfying to trace a fault so quickly as it could have taken ages in the birds nest of my wiring!

Finally I had another play with the buffer lamps mentioned elsewhere. I tried a different approach, drilling a couple of tiny holes through the buffer top edge, then widening them with a needle file so that the lamp would poke through. A little adaptation to the lower front with a knife, and it fitted perfectly. I decided to solder the lamp mechanism to the rails rather than wedging or gluing as it will have to be robust when transporting to shows, and finally glued the buffer down. I had hoped to get the lamp height just right to mask the lower red light, but it didn't quite work out, so a dab of brown paint over it did the job! I also painted the lower part of the mechanism to disguise it.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/buffers.jpg)

I am really pleased with the final result. Sorry the photo isn't too good, I took it on my phone.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 06, 2014, 04:36:00 pm
Looks good and glad that things are all working.
It's very satisfying when electrical stuff comes together and works as it should(especially if your electrical expertise is as poor as mine!).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2014, 04:52:28 pm
Very nice work, Mike. The working red light really adds to the realism of the layout. Delighted for you that your wiring was a success. (I'm really not looking forward to that task.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 04:55:27 pm
Trouble is I have to shell out for some more now for the other sidings Chris  :(
The two that have lamps show the rest up......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2014, 05:13:37 pm
It will be worth it, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2014, 06:34:14 pm
I feel a tutorial coming on.   ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 06, 2014, 06:46:32 pm
Trouble is I have to shell out for some more now for the other sidings Chris  :(
The two that have lamps show the rest up......
That's the trouble with lamps (or indeed building or street lighting). Once you start you have to carry on !!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 07:28:56 pm
I'm wondering if I can make some with red LEDs and resistors.......
Mounting them in the sleeper built buffers makes it much easier I think.

And yes PP I have street lights and building lights ready to go in  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 06, 2014, 07:49:48 pm
I'm wondering if I can make some with red LEDs and resistors.......
Mounting them in the sleeper built buffers makes it much easier I think.

And yes PP I have street lights and building lights ready to go in  :D
Looking forward to the pictures.
Layouts look very atmospheric I think when illuminated just by their own lighting.
I'm sure that Wookery will look fantastic.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2014, 09:12:39 pm
I'm wondering if I can make some with red LEDs and resistors.......
Mounting them in the sleeper built buffers makes it much easier I think.


That's exactly what I intend doing using SMD 0604 LEDs as they are about railway lamp size and can be fashioned as such, similar to what I've done for the running lamps on my locos.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 09:26:49 pm
Where do you get them from please?
I tried good old fleabay with SMD0604 but it came up with nowt
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on December 06, 2014, 09:43:14 pm
Its because its an 0603 micro red led you want ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 09:49:59 pm
Ah yes, 20 for 9 quid with free resistors and free postage - that's much more reasonable  :D
Thank you so much  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on December 06, 2014, 09:54:54 pm
Or 100 for £1.39 if you can wait for china delivery :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2014, 09:55:23 pm
Where do you get them from please?
I tried good old fleabay with SMD0604 but it came up with nowt


 :-[ :-[  My bad, should be 0603 - sorry.    :dunce:

I think I got my last ones from http://www.rapidonline.com/electronic-components/0603-1-8v-red-led-surface-mount-40mcd-56-3102 (http://www.rapidonline.com/electronic-components/0603-1-8v-red-led-surface-mount-40mcd-56-3102) but they also available on Ebay.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 10:03:56 pm
Or 100 for £1.39 if you can wait for china delivery :)


The ones I found were from China....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331283245419?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331283245419?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

I didn't see any for £1.39
I'll have another looksee
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on December 06, 2014, 10:08:39 pm
I included some info on making 0603 into lamps in my Dapol Hall sound install tutorial, here's a couple of pictures of what I do.  I use enamelled copper wire to make the handle and provide the electrical connections, to stop them being like search lights when lit I fit either a 5k or even a 10k resistor to keep the light output down.

Once you've soldered the enamelled copper wire to the SMD, spray the whole thing matt black.  Once dry, spray either white or red depending on where they are going to be used.  Once the final coat is dry, use a No 70 drill or similar to gently drill through the layers of paint to make a small hole for the light to escape.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_10411.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10411)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dapol_Hall_Sound_Install/Dir_1/medium_10412.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10412)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dapol_Hall_Sound_Install/Dir_1/medium_10414.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10414)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on December 06, 2014, 10:10:16 pm
Check out Ebay item 131357730282
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 10:12:21 pm
I really don't fancy trying to solder to those tiny things, my eyesight and soldering capabilities aren't up to it.
The ones I found are pre-wired.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on December 06, 2014, 10:15:24 pm
Okey dokey :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
You have to make allowances for blind old gits on here you know  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 15, 2014, 04:12:49 pm
These Scalescenes buildings do take a long while to construct.
I feel like I'm building out of real bricks and mortar!
I'm currently working on an engine shed.
Before I started work today I just had two side walls, with the windows fitted.
After a couple of hours work this afternoon I have ........two side walls!
OK, so they now have window sills, interior and exterior buttresses, buttress sills and a distributor box and trunking, but it doesn't feel like much progress.
At least with so many layers the buildings shouldn't twist or warp over time.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on December 15, 2014, 04:23:07 pm
These Scalescenes buildings do take a long while to construct.

Wait till you do the Medium Station. The Gents' toilet alone has twenty five pieces!

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 15, 2014, 04:36:02 pm
I think plastic kits must be quicker!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 15, 2014, 04:51:45 pm
Wait till you do the Medium Station. The Gents' toilet alone has twenty five pieces!


I've already done two of those Bob.
I downloaded the wrong brick first time so made it just for practice.
I'm glad I did really as it was quite complicated and looked much better the second time....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/station2.jpg)

Chris, it may take longer to build, but there is no painting  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 15, 2014, 04:53:13 pm
Ah, but I really enjoy the painting and weathering, Mike. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 15, 2014, 05:08:06 pm
I enjoy building these  :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 15, 2014, 08:24:17 pm
Wait till you do the Medium Station. The Gents' toilet alone has twenty five pieces!


I've already done two of those Bob.
I downloaded the wrong brick first time so made it just for practice.
I'm glad I did really as it was quite complicated and looked much better the second time....

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/station2.jpg[/url])

Chris, it may take longer to build, but there is no painting  :D


I've never seen a 2 storey khazi before. If that's the medium one I'd hate to see the large version :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 15, 2014, 10:15:40 pm
Are you casting aspersions upon my model making skills, saying my building looks like a karsey?  :veryangry:

 :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on December 15, 2014, 10:46:25 pm

I've already done two of those Bob.


And a great job you made of that one. I found the most difficult part was fitting the side wall copings. You only need to be a little bit out or have ragged edges and the result looks 'orrible. But, as you say, you can have as many attempts as you want until you get it just right.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on December 15, 2014, 10:48:42 pm

I've never seen a 2 storey khazi before. If that's the medium one I'd hate to see the large version :goggleeyes:

Laughs out loud.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 16, 2014, 09:45:53 am
I found the most difficult part was fitting the side wall copings.
For me it was cutting the dog tooth into the valence.
Poor eyesight and big clumsy hands ain't the ideal tools  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 19, 2014, 11:24:28 am
I really don't fancy trying to solder to those tiny things, my eyesight and soldering capabilities aren't up to it.
The ones I found are pre-wired.

I received the micro LEDs today. I am SOOOOOOO glad I bought pre-wired ones as I would never in a million years have been able to solder to them - I can barely see the  :censored: things! Being so tiny I think they will be a doddle to fit to the rest of my buffers though. I may even scrap the ones I've already made, in favour of having the same ones throughout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2014, 11:40:03 am
I look forward to seeing the final results, Mike. Yes, it probably makes sense to change the previous buffer stop lights so that they are all to the same high standard. I'm sure, being smaller, they will look very good.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MinZaPint on December 19, 2014, 12:25:47 pm
I found the most difficult part was fitting the side wall copings.

For me it was cutting the dog tooth into the valence.
Poor eyesight and big clumsy hands ain't the ideal tools  :(

Brave lad  :thumbsup: I didn't even attempt it on mine  :(
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/Railway/DSCF0291.jpg) (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/minzapint/media/Railway/DSCF0291.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on December 19, 2014, 01:04:10 pm
Brave lad  :thumbsup: I didn't even attempt it on mine  :(

Neither did I !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 19, 2014, 01:34:14 pm
Brave lad I didn't even attempt it on mine  :(

It looks good though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 19, 2014, 01:50:34 pm
To celebrate the re-opening of Wookery station, refurbished to its full GWR glory, the Wookery Preservation Society (WPS) are pleased to announce that they are in the process of organising a Christmas "steam special" to Exeter and beyond. The WPS has only been operating for a couple of years, since Dr Beeching came calling and closed their branch line. It was originally planned to use their small stock of fully restored GWR coaches, but demand for tickets has already been so great that these will have insufficient seating, and so the lucky enthusiasts will enjoy their trip in a rake of maroon Collett coaches that are currently stored pending repainting to GWR colours, hauled by a magnificent "King" class engine borrowed from another group. The King will haul the coaches to Exeter, where a Battle of Britain is provisionally booked to conduct onward transmission to Truro. Some coaches may detached for Wadebridge  and Port Perran if there is sufficient demand and arrangements can be made.
Wookery Vintage Car Club have agreed to further relive the glory days, with a small display of pre-war vehicles outside the newly opened station.
Please book early to avoid disappointment.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2014, 02:58:52 pm
Looking forward to the photos. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 19, 2014, 04:28:42 pm
I look forward to seeing the final results, Mike. Yes, it probably makes sense to change the previous buffer stop lights so that they are all to the same high standard. I'm sure, being smaller, they will look very good.

Plus the old ones are fed from the rails and so permanently lit, whereas the new ones will be added to the yard lights/street lights/building lights circuit and so only come on when everything else is lit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2014, 04:51:15 pm
That's a noticeable improvement, I agree.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 19, 2014, 05:54:48 pm
I'm debating whether to hang one outside one of the seedy terraced houses  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
Preiser have a set of suitable N Scale 'Ladies of the Night' . . . 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 19, 2014, 07:13:58 pm
I'm debating whether to hang one outside one of the seedy terraced houses  :smiley-laughing:
That might just arouse interest (in one way or another  ::) of the local constabulary !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 20, 2014, 12:26:10 pm
OK, first of all apologies if the very rough and incomplete state of my layout spoils the effect of you chaps efforts:


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas1.jpg)

Things got off to a very early start this morning at Wookery station. Henry, the intrepid photographer from the Bristol Argus was there to report on this historic occasion, although he was in a dreadful rush as he doesn't want to miss the Bristol City v Rovers local football derby, which has a lunchtime kick off.
The on-loan engine King Edward II duly arrived bright and early and was coaled and watered at the WPS coaling stage. He is just reversing back to the platform, whilst the WPS diesel railcar (their pride and joy) is being refuelled in the background, ready for a trip down the branch line to pick up all the local steam enthusiasts.
As part of their programme of refurbishment and upgrading, the WPS will soon be tearing down the engine shed, to replace it with a beautiful example of a shed with integral water tank, which is currently being methodically dismantled and all the parts numbered, ready to be rebuilt at Wookery.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas2.jpg)

Wookery Vintage Vehicle Society kept their word and dully staged a small display of pre-war vehicles to complement the day.
In the foreground a couple of early morning flatbeds are waiting for the first conflats of the day to arrive.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas3.jpg)

Across the road "Honest" Joe Smith, proprietor of the Station Garage has polished up a fine display of his best used bangers cars in the hope of conning giving some of the enthusiasts a good deal on a quality motor.
The chap in the red VW beetle doesn't realise that he has just been fleeced for his tankful of petrol and paid sixpence more than he would have at the garage up the road.
In the distance the coal yard of Matt "King" Cole is busy loading lorries to deliver last-minute sacks to those people of Bristol who left it a bit late to order their coal for the holiday period. His yard closes at midday, and all the workers will then head up to the Station Tavern for a jolly good pis festive drink.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas4.jpg)


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas5.jpg)


The excitement mounts as the WPS's own little 0-6-0 number 1403 retrieves the first three Collett coaches from storage and pulls them onto platform 3.
The first coachload of rail fans can just be seen pulling onto the station forecourt in the picture below.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas6.jpg)

Finally King Edward II leaves the platform hauling seven Collett coaches full of cheering steam fans for delivery to Exeter and all points west, hoping that nobody will notice that the little tank engine has shunted the brake van into the wrong position in the rake. The driver had a good excuse as his decree nisi had finally come through the day before and he had been out until 3am celebrating his freedom. :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas7.jpg)



Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MinZaPint on December 20, 2014, 01:05:37 pm

The excitement mounts as the WPS's own little 0-6-0 number 1403 retrieves the first three Collett coaches from storage and pulls them onto platform 3.
The first coachload of rail fans can just be seen pulling onto the station forecourt in the picture below.

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/christmas6.jpg[/url])



Oh Wookie lad "Whata mistake to maka" counting from the front I make it 0-4-2  :hmmm: Great story though look forward to future posts.
Cheers  :beers:   David
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 20, 2014, 01:10:16 pm
So it is - I sold the 0-6-0 a while ago and had forgotten.  :-[
I don't profess to be a train buff, I just like playing trains  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 20, 2014, 02:25:05 pm
Lovely little scenario ;D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 20, 2014, 02:49:12 pm
Lovely pictures and lovely little scenario.  Thanks for joining in the fun.
I must add that (being a huge Bristol City fan) City won the local derby 4-0 ! :claphappy:
I wonder how much Honest John is selling that Morris traveller for ?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 20, 2014, 06:12:46 pm
Many thanks for the excellent photos. and descriptions. Your buildings look fine and Wookery is coming on very nicely. The "King" and Collett carriages arrived safely and ahead of schedule at Exeter Central after an excellent performance by loco and footplate crew. The passengers, after taking pictures of the loco., all piled into the station buffet to replenish their stomachs after the long journey with only a refreshment trolley to satisfy their hunger and thirst. On their return, they found a "Battle of Britain" class loco., freshly repainted by Eastleigh Works with sponsorship from the Cornish Loco. Preservation Group, waiting to take their train on to Bodmin Road where a portion was removed and taken through to Wadebridge by a Bodmin GWS preserved 61XX. At Wadebridge, Sylvia and her Chelsea Girls, dressed as Christmas Elves, in their Mary Quant designed outfits, distributed free piping hot Penmayne Cornish pasties and energetically rattled their collecting boxes for Dr. Barnados. The remainder of the special train then made excellent time to Truro where the train terminated and the remaining passengers boarded one of the special steam trains for Port Perran. The "King" then proceeded to Truro loco. shed for servicing where there was a quite a turn out of enthusiasts to witness its arrival. The Wookery Preservation Society must be delighted by the profit made from the sell out train. The "King" and its train are due to return on Sunday 23rd. The boarding houses of Truro are reported to be full!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 24, 2014, 09:57:27 pm
All the staff at Wookery Station
and all the regular passengers passing through
would like to extend seasons greetings to all our readers
and may peace and good health be yours in 2015
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 25, 2014, 08:04:08 am
All the members of the Cornish Loco. Preservation Group (Cant Cove, Penmayne, and Trepol Bay) together with their friends from the GWS at Bodmin General and Port Perran, together with their friends at Weaver Cove, in the "Smugglers' Den", the Lord and Lady of Trevelver Castle, and Sylvia and all the 'Chelsea Girls' (who send their kisses), send their Christmas Greetings and all best wishes for the coming year. In view of the great success of the special train from the Wookery to Exeter, Bodmin Road and Truro, all in North and West Cornwall look forward to similar specials this coming Easter and summer.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 01, 2015, 12:04:43 pm
Well, unlike Network Rail, the Wookery Preservation Society worked their little socks off over the holiday period, and THEIR engineering works were completed on schedule.
Wookery station is now the proud location of a beautiful new engine shed with integral water tower, painstakingly dismantled and reassembled by our enthusiasts:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/engineshed.jpg)

The plan is to eventually build the inspection pit as well, including my own lighting.
This involves removing some track, cutting the requisite hole, and then relaying track with a section of bare rails.
It's too  :censored: cold in my summerhouse at the moment, so that part is on hold for now.

Instead I am going to build a big warehouse kit in its full version - 24 A4 sheets of paper!
Definitely the toughest kit I have attempted yet, looking at all the fiddly parts.
I'll build the full model, then assess it for size as to whether it will go in where I want it, or decide if I want to add yet more modules to make it bigger still  :o
Wish me luck - I'm just going in.............I might be away some time  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 01, 2015, 12:07:51 pm
Very nice work. Even for a cardboard kit it looks very realistic. 8-)

I wish you all success with the warehouse kit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 01, 2015, 12:25:49 pm
That's a great piece of modelling and a very nice addition to your layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on January 01, 2015, 02:08:10 pm
That's a great piece of modelling and a very nice addition to your layout.

And I'll second that.

I built the engine shed and intended to include the pit. That was until I realised that directly below it was a mass of wiring, which I couldn't face re-routing! C'est la vie.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 01, 2015, 02:32:41 pm
I'm also planning an inspection pit for Cant Cove loco. shed, including my own lighting. I've already planned to remove the sleepers from the track after gluing the rails to the loco. shed floor (to ensure the correct track gauge -- I successfully achieved this on my first N Gauge layout), then cut the requisite hole in the insulation tile surface, glue the pit sides in place, and fit underfloor LED strip lighting, below.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 01, 2015, 03:18:29 pm
I'm going to use a piece of straight setrack. You can cut sleepers out without affecting the track gauge.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 01, 2015, 03:29:38 pm
I'm going to use a piece of straight setrack. You can cut sleepers out without affecting the track gauge.

Yes, Setrack should work well; I used a short length of Peco Flexi track glued to the loco. shed floor which was E shaped without the central bar; then, once the glue had dried, I carefully cut the sleepers away.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 02, 2015, 08:23:00 pm
I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew - this warehouse kit is seriously scary!
I can see this taking a month there is so much work.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2015, 08:56:16 pm
Take it slowly and steadily, section by section.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 03, 2015, 11:14:09 am
Thanks Chris
I must admit that standing all the buildings I have built so far together, all built from the same red brick, they look pretty good.
Better than my disparate hotchpotch selection before. Plonking a damn great red brick warehouse with them should look brilliant!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 12, 2015, 05:03:56 pm
Gawd, this factory/warehouse kit really IS fiddly!
It has just taken all afternoon to construct 20 external buttresses  :(
Each one is two lengths of card stuck together then wrapped in brick paper.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 12, 2015, 05:05:53 pm
Keep on, keeping on, Mike. 8-) It will be worth it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 15, 2015, 04:31:44 pm
Well, after many hours of painstaking work I have a little progress to report.
This afternoon I fitted 56 windows and made and fitted the signage, so the outside walls are pretty much finished.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/warehouse.jpg)

I have also ordered four "Pickfords" vehicles to complete the scene-setting when the building is finished.
I'm pretty pleased with it so far. The *Removals and Storage" sign will face onto the tracks approaching Wookery station (good advertising) and the "Depository" sign will face the station itself. The double entrances, one will have a loading bay fitted, and the other will be road level so that the removal lorries can reverse in and drop their ramps to unload. The other door will provide a secondary loading point to the side.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on January 15, 2015, 04:34:40 pm
The result looks as if all your hard work is being rewarded  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2015, 04:54:04 pm
Excellent work, Mike. Well worth the time, effort and perseverance. Will there be no direct rail access? Pickfords, I believe, used standard railway containers carried on conflats and, later ISO 20-foot containers (at least for a while?).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 15, 2015, 08:43:20 pm
Smashing job of the building, Mike :admiration:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2015, 09:01:50 pm
Beginning to look really good Mike.
Very much like a Pickford's warehouse in fact !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 15, 2015, 09:37:27 pm
Thanks guys.....encouragement always helps to keep you going :)

You are about three months too late telling me about the Pickford's rail connections Chris - I could have used that to good effect but it's too late now ......

There is a yard crane for unloading conflats just across the road from the warehouse though, so it's not too bad....and in a couple of days I will have a suitable Pickfords vehicle for moving them across.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 15, 2015, 09:40:06 pm
By the way, any progress on your own layout Nobby?
Got your mojo back yet?
If not I'm gonna have to organise a Mojo Hunt!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2015, 09:40:43 pm
My apologies, Mike. I had assumed that there would be a railway siding into the building, however, your arrangement sounds fine.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 15, 2015, 09:43:58 pm
Don't be silly - you didn't know it was going to be a Pickfords warehouse!
It would have made a great feature though as I have a rail running through a tunnel right beside it.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2015, 09:57:41 pm
It's not too late . . .
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 15, 2015, 10:14:16 pm
It is, I'm not ripping up the goods yard yet again  :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 16, 2015, 10:49:05 am
By the way, any progress on your own layout Nobby?
Got your mojo back yet?
If not I'm gonna have to organise a Mojo Hunt!

A few little bits being done, and I hope to have something 'further down the line' to show soon (thanks for asking) :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 16, 2015, 05:26:17 pm
Glad to hear it -  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 20, 2015, 02:06:19 pm
I'm fighting a b :censored: dreadful chest infection, but still managed to do a bit. Inner walls are now fixed to outer walls, and the four walls stuck together. The first floor is in and fixed down, plus supporting rafters for second floor. Can't go any further now until after I've been to the model shop later this afternoon - need some balsa wood to construct loads of packing cases to put on the first floor, before I add the second, and so on. I have a load of little plastic crates, but they would be wasted in here where they will only be dimly seen, I'd rather save them for somewhere where they can be seen better, Having said that, I have installed LEDs on ground and first floor, and I just tried them out - it's surprising how much can be seen inside. My first lit building  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 20, 2015, 02:14:10 pm
I wish you a speedy recovery, Mike. Using balsa wood for crates inside is a great idea so you can save the little plastic crates for somewhere outside where they can be seen better. Congratulations on your first lit building; I look forward to seeing the details, in due course.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on January 20, 2015, 03:00:20 pm
I'm fighting a b :censored: dreadful chest infection,
:doh: You have my sympathy. Hope it clears up soon
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 20, 2015, 07:24:14 pm
Get well soon and take it easy.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 20, 2015, 08:42:12 pm
Thanks guys. It's a bit scary as I had something similar this time last year which triggered a major heart scare.

I think I have enough balsa sticks now to fill the warehouse, make loads for wagons, and still have loads left over!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 12:27:54 am
I do hope all will be well.

On another topic, you've reminded me that I still haven't board the balsa wood strips for the roof beams for Cant Cove's loco. shed!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 21, 2015, 09:13:19 am
On a different subject again, I'm going to yet again show my total lack of knowledge of prototype train operation  :D
I would quite like to put together some rolling stock to recreate a London to Bristol parcels train.
Bearing in mind that my layout is set in WR 1965 on the edge of Bristol, what would actually have been passing through in a parcels train?
I have an ex-GWR syphon, which I know was used by WR for parcels well into the 60's, so I know I can use that for a start, and maybe get one or two more.
I've seen Farish GUV vans on ebay, but they are always blue, so I guess they came in after 1969.
There are Dapol SR and Farish Midland maroon CCT vans, which I'm guessing would have been run door to door if carrying a full load - I can't imagine them being transhipped at the "border". Midland ones would probably have run from London, but would an SR one?
Can a full BG be used, or multples thereof? If so can BGs from other regions be used in WR - Staniers for instance?
Were ordinary box vans used? I'm sure that somewhere I have seen a photo of a cattle wagon in a parcels train!
Any guidance appreciated.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 09:52:46 am
Good morning Mike, I'm a big fan of parcels trains because they often had a very varied selection of rolling stock. An ex-GWR Syphon (ideally, a Lima body on a Dapol chassis), a Graham Farish GUV van in BR Maroon (very rare is the model of W86148 which does come up for sale, sometimes), a Dapol SR CCT van in BR Green or dirty brown, a Graham Farish CCT in BR Maroon and four-wheeled vacuum-braked covered vans in BR Late Bauxite would all be typical for a WR parcels train in the mid-1960s. Parcels vans did travel far, I've a photo of a (G)WR Siphon at Kyle of Lochalsh and SR CCTs travelled throughout BR. A BR BG in Maroon could be seen in a parcels train but they were usually used in passenger trains. BGs from other regions were seen on the WR: Staniers were common but also LMS and LNER CCTs, and LNER bogie vans. Cattle wagons, horse boxes, and fish vans could also be included in a parcels train but, by 1965, on the WR would be rare. (Cattle wagons were withdrawn from service in the 1960s.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 21, 2015, 10:00:25 am
So multiple BGs wouldn't be used then?
OK, thanks for your help and advice. I'll have to keep an eye open for suitable stock.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 10:23:56 am
My pleasure, Mike. I have not seen photos of parcels trains with multiple BGs in but that doesn't mean that it did not happen. (I can email you some scanned pics., later today.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 21, 2015, 10:27:33 am
Although my main layout is set in Oxfordshire (so predominantly WR) there were constant visitors from the SR so I'll be adding in the (yet to be released) Farish 50ft Bogie B Luggage van (ref 374-631) and see no reason why this couldn't have appeared in your rake from Bristol :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 10:38:03 am
I have pre-ordered in both BR SR Green and BR Blue the forthcoming Farish 50ft Bogie B Luggage vans and PMVs. The 50ft Bogie B Luggage vans were used for the overnight newspaper trains from Waterloo to Cornwall and Devon in the 1960s before being replaced by BR GUVs but the SR Bogie B Luggage vans were used well into BR Blue days for parcels traffic but seem to be less common than the SR CCTs from photos.

The NGS Hawksworth and Thompson BGs are also on my list although the Thompsons would have been pretty rare on the WR or SR, I think. A Hawksworth BG in BR Maroon would be very suitable, Mike. (They also lasted well into BR Blue days for parcels traffic.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on January 21, 2015, 11:08:11 am
Thanks guys. It's a bit scary as I had something similar this time last year which triggered a major heart scare.

I think I have enough balsa sticks now to fill the warehouse, make loads for wagons, and still have loads left over!
Any wood dust ext. will aggravate that chest infection. Either take it easy or get some face masks. The throw away cheapies are good enough to block some of the dust out and Mrs Jonclox says they improve my looks at the same time  :confused1:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 21, 2015, 11:34:24 am

 The throw away cheapies are good enough to block some of the dust out and Mrs Jonclox says they improve my looks at the same time  :confused1:

 :laughabovepost:

Sure your real name isn't Jason?

I, too, have a ghastly chest infection. Had a chest X ray (which came back clear ???) and am seeing the quack again next Tuesday :worried:
There's a lot of it about ::)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 21, 2015, 03:55:47 pm
I've made my first batch of crates, tea chests and packing cases from the balsa sticks that I bought yesterday.
This is a view looking down onto the first floor level, through (non existant at the moment) roof.
You can see the cross beams ready for the second floor to rest on.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/crates.jpg)

They don't look too wonderful from this angle, but trust me, when you catch a glimpse of them through the tiny windows they look knockout!
Please bear in mind that this floor will not be lit directly, just getting a little leaked light from above and below, and through the windows, I think it will be enough.
The ground floor has much bigger windows and will be quite brightly lit, so there will be a lot more boxes and crates at that level.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 05:22:43 pm
Excellent work, Mike. In such a building it would be unlikely that the lights would be on in every area of every floor so, in my opinion, just having the ground floor brightly lit and the top floor less brightly lit should work well.

I don't know whether it would be worth modelling an internal goods lift area?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 21, 2015, 06:30:24 pm
I did think about a lift, but it wouldn't be seen at the back through the small windows

Ground and second floor will be lit, first and top floors not.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 21, 2015, 06:41:39 pm
Excellent work. Love the crates.
As for parcels trains, I too like to run them - mainly because you can include so many differing vehicles (especially if you invoke Rule 1 - if only slightly).
Parcels are one of my  favourites to run, along with pw or engineering trains.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 21, 2015, 08:43:50 pm
Nice to see such detailing :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 22, 2015, 11:01:40 am
Nice to see such detailing :thumbsup:
This building will be very close to the front of the layout Mick, so it is worth the effort as showgoers will be able to see inside.
For the same reason, my signal box has full interior detailing and a little geezer heaving on one of the levers  :D I'm going to light that one too.
Buildings along the back street high level will have the odd light here and there, but no interior detail as it would be wasted.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 23, 2015, 08:46:09 am
OK, this is the second floor:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/crates2.jpg)

This floor will be lit, so there are a lot more crates and cases, stacked higher, with more in the middle.
Moving around the windows on the three sides that will be viewable, it gives the impression of a pretty full floor, so should look great when lit.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2015, 08:51:24 am
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 23, 2015, 08:51:48 am
Great detailing.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 26, 2015, 12:53:29 pm
As the top floor will not be lit, I just made a scattering of crates that would just about be visible through the small windows.
I going to bed, thinking about the next stage, when I realised that the roof is a mass of north lights, and as such the whole floor will be visible!
I had to hastily revise plans, build a load more crates and boxes and stack the floor to a suitable level.......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/topfloor.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 26, 2015, 01:12:31 pm
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 26, 2015, 01:25:34 pm
I think those crates are fantastic. Great detailing.
What's in the ???? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 04, 2015, 03:08:44 pm
Well, despite my chest infection laying me low for three weeks, I've been battling on with my big warehouse build and have finally finished it.
Results are a little so-so from my point of view. I installed two LEDs on the ground floor, and they are perfect.
I put one on the second floor, with a little "bleed" into the top floor. I thought that all the north lights would provide plenty of of light in to see my highly complicated interior - WRONG!
The windows are printed so grimy, that it simply doesn't work that way. Very disappointing.

The lights give quite an atmospheric appearance in the dark:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/warehouse1.jpg)

Focusing the camera lens through one the ground floor windows you can clearly see George the Foreman supervising one of the loading ramps.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/warehouse5.jpg)

The roof was an absolute pig to put together, the most complicated model I have ever built.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/warehouse2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/warehouse3.jpg)

I'm only moderately pleased with it. I don't think I can face going for a second attempt though.
I do wish that I had put two LEDs in on each floor as it will stand close to the front of the layout, and I wanted viewers to see the interiors.
Put it down to experience I guess. It's certainly a big imposing building.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 04, 2015, 03:37:01 pm
It looks very good to me. I wish you a speedy recovery from your chest infection.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 04, 2015, 04:07:54 pm
That is going to make a very imposing feature on your layout :goggleeyes:
Full marks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2015, 04:25:38 pm
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on February 04, 2015, 09:52:53 pm
Very nice. I like the night time photo :thumbsup:
I hope you've got over your illness now and can devote more time to your masterpieces. :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2015, 07:35:30 am
I hope George the Foreman isn't contemplating going out and punching someone  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 05, 2015, 08:35:08 am
I hope George the Foreman isn't contemplating going out and punching someone  :laugh3:

Nah - just a light grilling :-X
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 05, 2015, 08:49:59 am
I wondered if anybody would pick up on my little pun.
You guys never let me down  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 05, 2015, 01:30:41 pm
I wondered if anybody would pick up on my little pun.
You guys never let me down  :smiley-laughing:

A bit sad to be so predictable, though :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 05, 2015, 04:23:26 pm
After that massive project, I rattled off a "quickie" today.
This one is a Scalescenes small warehouse free download, and was simple.
I've turned it into a small chemical store.
I added a few 45 gallon drums to finish off the effect.
It will sit next to my goods shed, which supplies it.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/chemical1.jpg)

My attempt at a rusty enamel sign didn't come out as well as I had hoped, but it will do.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/chemical2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 05, 2015, 04:47:06 pm
Very good work, Mike. I'm sure, from a normal viewing distance the sign looks fine.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2015, 07:35:15 pm
Great little model. Looks really good.
As CiP says, I'm sure that sign looks great to the naked eye.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on February 06, 2015, 12:35:54 pm
Even with the picture at full size, it is an incredibly neat job, I think you are doing yourself down over the sign, well done

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 15, 2015, 12:37:34 pm
I've been having fun painting passengers and pedestrians over the last couple of days.
Wookery station staff were stunned when Michael Portillo made a surprise visit during one of his "Great British railway journies".

                                                              (http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/michael.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 15, 2015, 12:45:11 pm
I've been having fun painting passengers and pedestrians over the last couple of days.
Wookery station staff were stunned when Michael Portillo made a surprise visit during one of his "Great British railway journies".

                                                              ([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/michael.jpg[/url])


Scarily accurate :goggleeyes: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 15, 2015, 12:52:49 pm
Michael Portill looks great. Very imaginative modelling there.
Looking forward to seeing him talking about Wookery on TV !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 15, 2015, 01:22:37 pm
Michael Portill looks great. Very imaginative modelling there.
Looking forward to seeing him talking about Wookery on TV !
I think Mrs PP is having an undue influence on me  :D
I thought it might provide a bit of fun at shows - "Can you spot Michael Portillo on the layout?"
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 15, 2015, 01:37:29 pm
That's really superb work, Mike. Very well done. I think I'll have a go, too, when I, eventually, paint my remaining lot of unpainted figures. (I also want to have a go at painting an original Dr. Who and his granddaughter, Susan; maybe Ian and Barbara, too; plus Dr. Beeching! Dr. Who will give Mr. Portillo a lift back to 1962! Plus, I have plans to make a mermaid.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 15, 2015, 05:28:41 pm
I have a Jamaican family Chris, also a Chelsea pensioner - he's a bit of a long way from home, but he's travelling back to barracks after attending a regimental re-union for the Devonshires  :D I also have three youths in leather jackets and jeans, and I'm going to attempt to paint Hell's Angels logos on the backs of their jackets - I suppose I'll have to find a Harley or two for them to stand around outside the pub....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 15, 2015, 05:31:32 pm
That's very interesting, Mike. I have at least one Jamaican painter! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 15, 2015, 09:21:31 pm
I'm going to attempt to paint Hell's Angels logos on the backs of their jackets

Being N gauge, shouldn't they be 'Hell's Cherubs'? :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 11:47:16 am
Well, I finished my first batch of passengers and pedestrians. I want my High Street backdrop to be busy, so I have a lot to do.
I was surprised to find that I have finished over 70 in this batch.

Considering I don't see too well, have big hands, and don't have any fine paintbrushes, I think they have turned out quite well.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/people.jpg)

It's interesting that, although there are a lot of duplicated poses, painting them in different colours makes them look quite different.
I have at least as many again to do, if not more.
I just opened another bagful from China, and thankfully there are some different poses  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on February 17, 2015, 01:19:22 pm
They don't look like the normal brightly coloured ones you get from China, who did you buy them off please.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 01:47:47 pm
I painted them, that's the point  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on February 17, 2015, 01:54:26 pm
I know you painted them, but the basic quality of the people looks better that the cheap ones I've bought before from eBay, a lot of them have misshapen limbs or odd poses etc but yours look half decent, almost as good as the Prieser ones..
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 02:30:02 pm
Most of these were old GF ones.  A chap on eBay has been sellling small bags of about 10 of them for ages, he had a big store of them in his shed.
I think I bought about 20 packs from him.
I think the Chinese have got hold of the original moulds now as they are all over eBay.
The Chinese ones I have just opened have some of the same poses, but they are lighter weight, much poorer quality.
You need to look for some with the fat lady in, they are the better quality ones.
The two of them together should make a good mix of slim, medium and fat people  :D
There were also some of the peco Modelscene pack 2 figures in the batch I just painted, they are reasonably good quality.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on February 17, 2015, 04:17:09 pm
I painted both of the modelscene packs for my layouts as a trial, it cured me of wanting to do too many more, if Farish decide to do some people dressed for the 50's I will have a few of them, the only reason I haven't used them so far is that there is a limited number of different types and they look a bit too modern, and the cost is also factor. I do however use their loco crews as they are without doubt the best you can get.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 04:38:35 pm
The modern GF are very nicely painted (and therefore much more expensive than my old ones) and look good.
I like the train crew and the station staff. I would like the police set too, but only the two bobbies look to be the right uniform for my mid 60s layout.
I like the trainspotters too  :D

These old ones I bought only worked out at about 10p each, but they were somewhat colourful and poorly painted......much better now I think.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 17, 2015, 04:39:50 pm
Very good work, Mike. I have not wanted to try painting such small figures (although I have quite a few from various sources).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
The hardest part was cutting the bases off the Modelscenes ones Chris!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 17, 2015, 05:02:31 pm
The hardest part was cutting the bases off the Modelscenes ones Chris!

Yes, that has, so far, put me off repainting mine, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 17, 2015, 05:17:07 pm
They have to be cut off or they look like they are standing on molehills  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 17, 2015, 05:59:33 pm
They have to be cut off or they look like they are standing on molehills  :D

Very true, Mike; ditto the Lone Star ones.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on February 17, 2015, 06:21:01 pm
You need to look for some with the fat lady in, they are the better quality ones.

I agree, far more realistic  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 20, 2015, 01:10:37 pm
I'm painting some P&D Marsh white metal figures now.
They look awful as metal, but they actually paint up very well indeed and there is some great detail.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on February 20, 2015, 01:12:21 pm
Sounds interesting, any chance of a few pics of the finished article.   Pretty :pleasesign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 20, 2015, 01:15:30 pm
Yes, I will.
They are still on the production line at the moment  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 01:40:40 pm
(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/benches.jpg)

I'm painting some of these benches in chocolate & cream for the platforms, but these ones are going into a little piazza on the High Street (posh eh, for a ruin down district of Bristol?)  :D
I've installed some of the Chinese sitting figures. The benches look pretty much to scale to me, but the figures are clearly underscale as their legs are all swinging on 5 year olds  :smiley-laughing:
Does anybody know if the GF sitting passenger pack is more to scale, with longer legs?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on February 21, 2015, 01:53:58 pm
Are they all asleep? They seem to have their eyes closed  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 01:56:23 pm
Shaddup  :D
No way can my eyesight cope with facial features on heads that are little bigger than a pinhead!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 21, 2015, 02:47:41 pm
What heads  ?? :goggleeyes:
I can barely see the heads let alone the eyes !!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 21, 2015, 03:12:54 pm
Why is the men look as if their heads have been squeezed in a vice? :goggleeyes:
Just place a man eating rat under one of the benches to explain why everyone's feet are in the air :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 03:17:24 pm
(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/people2.jpg)

Here you go Caz, the top two rows are P & D Marsh white metal figures, bottom two rows are the cheaper Chinese plastic ones, not as good quality as my first ones.

The family going off on their hols are particularly enchanting I think. The top right 5 figures lent themselves nicely to being painted as railway workers, although I think the two chaps together may have to be placed coming out of the doors of the Railway Tavern! The courting couple were particularly fiddly to paint....

I have now worked up to having the courage to paint shirts in detail instead of a shirt/jacket all in one colour, and I am particularly proud of the back of my Hells Angels jackets  :D
All I have to do now is find a motor cycle for them!

I've painted a lot more than these, but they are the same poses in different coloured dress.
I suspect that I have far too many figures, and a lot of them will be cut in half and used as passengers in carriages!
I probably have at least a hundred left the paint.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 21, 2015, 03:23:10 pm
I have to admire your patience and dexterity, Wookie.
There's no way I could do that :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 03:26:59 pm
I'm absolutely amazed that I can mate!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 21, 2015, 03:29:09 pm
I have to admire your patience and dexterity, Wookie.
There's no way I could do that :no:
Nor me !!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 03:51:50 pm
I'm trying to pluck up the courage to go for Langleys 3 pack set of Guards band, colour party. and marching troops.
It would look absolutely brilliant having a ceremonial parade on my High Street, and would justify big crowds on the pavement too.
 :censored: fiddly to to do though, with masses of tiny detail.........   :o
I really don't fancy trying to paint a decent union jack on both sides of the flag in the colour party, when it is probably only about 5mm square!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2015, 04:23:31 pm
Print a scale Union Flag on glossy white label paper, Mike, cut it out with sharp nail scissors and use that.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 04:58:34 pm
I don't think that would work Chris as the flag isn't stuck straight out, but is hanging somewhat limply.
I notice they sell the set ready painted (expensive) and it doesn't even include the colour party with flag.
I wouldn't get much sense of satisfaction from a ready painted set anyway - painting it would be an achievement.
I notice they do a horse drawn hearse too - I could have a funeral with full military honours  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2015, 05:31:18 pm
With care it might be possible to get the label flag to stick to the metal one or simply replace it with a new Union Flag?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 05:41:55 pm
I rather like the idea of a funeral with full military honours - I bet there isn't one on any other layout anywhere  :no:
Hmmmmm......1965.......Winston Churchill........  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2015, 05:58:23 pm
Alas, I do not (yet) have one of the Graham Farish models of "Winston Churchill". Even before this year they fetched high prices on eBay. Probably cheaper to renumber one and buy the appropriate nameplates! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on February 21, 2015, 06:42:22 pm
I notice Osborns are doing the Churchill funeral coach as a special.   ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 21, 2015, 07:01:46 pm
Hmmmmm....could I bury him in Bristol rather than Oxfordshire?  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2015, 07:14:55 pm
I notice Osborns are doing the Churchill funeral coach as a special.   ;)


Not quite (but thanks for the tip; isn't there a RTR version of this SR bogie van coming?):

http://www.osbornsmodels.com/archn0019-conversion-kit-for-dapol-siphon-g-maunsell-van-b-s2464s-as-converted-for-sir-winston-churchills-funeral-33378-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/archn0019-conversion-kit-for-dapol-siphon-g-maunsell-van-b-s2464s-as-converted-for-sir-winston-churchills-funeral-33378-p.asp)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on February 21, 2015, 08:36:43 pm
Shaddup  :D
No way can my eyesight cope with facial features on heads that are little bigger than a pinhead!

I think it's about time you started to take this hobby seriously  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 11:18:58 am
Well I've been and gone and done it  :D
Ordered all the soldiers plus the horse drawn hearse so I'll have a funeral courtege with full military honours for the local brigadier general, who sadly passed away from a heart attack whilst in bed with his latest mistress (although this was hushed up).
I also ordered some motor cycles so that the Hells Angels have something to stand around, and some figures that include a couple of bobbies to control the crowds along the route.
Oh and a war memorial for the square (on the site of bomb damage) and a yard crane for my goods shed while I was at it.

I don't think you'll be hearing from me for quite some time!
Now, I must get some really fine paint brushes......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 22, 2015, 11:23:22 am
Really fine, small paintbrushes are key. The smaller the better.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 11:27:40 am
I reckon I'll have to trim some to about 3 hairs!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on February 22, 2015, 11:29:18 am
Just to encourage you. A guards division band in the `60s  would have contained somewhere around 60 musicians  ::)
Happy painting  ;D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 11:34:56 am
Ah but the band was scaled down in view of the manner of his passing  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 22, 2015, 11:39:30 am
Of course, as the band marched past there would be HUNDREDS of people out on the street watching them go by !
Better get painting !
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 11:43:14 am
Of course, as the band marched past there would be HUNDREDS of people out on the street watching them go by !
Better get painting !
I have done getting on for 200 figures now  :P
Probably have about a hundred to go!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on February 22, 2015, 01:07:51 pm
So that's 600 eyes then. I hope you will vary them a bit, green, blue, brown, black, bloodshot etc etc
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 03:18:37 pm
Hmmmmmm...... I don't know about that but I think someone is gonna get a black eye  8)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on February 22, 2015, 04:35:14 pm
Hmmmmmm...... I don't know about that but I think someone is gonna get a black eye ::-D
Please show some respect whilst we are discussing the funeral procession of  Sir Winston Churchill back in 1965. Its not a school playground.  :worried:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(  J c leaves rapidly taking his coat with him :wave:)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 04:39:07 pm
Keep up Jon, it's not Winston Churchill after all, but a local brigadier general who popped his clogs whilst indulging in some extra-marital nookie  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on February 22, 2015, 04:54:26 pm
a local brigadier general who popped his clogs whilst indulging in some extra-marital nookie  :smiley-laughing:
'nookie' and 'wookie' ? ? ? ? ? good grief man what sort of lay(a)bout is that?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 22, 2015, 04:58:48 pm
A very good one  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 24, 2015, 12:33:47 pm

Excellent service from Langley as usual, with next day delivery.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/troops.jpg)

This little lot should keep me quiet for a few days!  :D

I trimmed most of the bristles off one of my brushes yesterday, and have to admit that I found it much easier to do small detail......

.....and no, before you start trainfish, it still ain't small enough to do eyes!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on February 24, 2015, 01:00:41 pm
If you're not up to doing eyes then how about balaclavas? You could just paint around the eyes then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 24, 2015, 01:06:06 pm
Not quite right for a funeral with full military honours I feel.......   :D

And seeing as the layout is set in summer, they wouldn't be suitable for the crowd either.

I suppose there could be a bank robber in the background  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on February 24, 2015, 03:43:04 pm
An interesting selection of painting challenge there :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2015, 01:12:31 pm
I'm not saying I'm getting cocky, but I have just been painting tiny epaulettes on their shoulders  :D

I thoughts about collar dogs, but that's a step too far  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on March 01, 2015, 01:46:44 pm
Still no eyes though?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2015, 04:08:54 pm
Shaddup  :D

I have to buy some black gloss paint tomorrow so that they can all have nice shiny boots.
Can't have them on parade in matt black ones  :(
Also need some suitable brown for their rifle stocks.
I'm debating painting some tiny medals on some of their chests.....BUT NO EYES!!!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on March 01, 2015, 05:24:37 pm
How on earth can you trust them with a rifle if they can't see what they're doing? They're not American are they?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2015, 05:27:45 pm
Nah they are elite guards, so good they can shoot with their eyes closed  :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 01, 2015, 06:01:10 pm
I reckon they're blind drunk :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2015, 07:28:50 pm
Alas, I do not (yet) have one of the Graham Farish models of "Winston Churchill".


One's just been listed Chris:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-Farish-N-Gauge-Ex-SR-Battle-of-Britain-4-6-2-34051-Winston-Churchill-/351329607673?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51cce05ff9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-Farish-N-Gauge-Ex-SR-Battle-of-Britain-4-6-2-34051-Winston-Churchill-/351329607673?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51cce05ff9)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 01, 2015, 07:37:38 pm
Thanks, Mike. I suspect it will go for far more than I'm willing to pay, alas.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 01, 2015, 08:47:40 pm
Wookie, if they're elite guards then they usually have the peaks of their hats broken so that the peak covers their forehead and eyes to look more sinister.  Just an idea.   :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2015, 09:28:49 pm
They are in bearskins, no peaks  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 02, 2015, 09:32:58 pm
They are in bearskins, no peaks  :D

Only trying to do my best in giving you and excuse for not painting in the eyes.  ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 04, 2015, 12:09:04 pm
T'be sure, tis the little people  :D

A detachment of the Grenadier Guards band march past the new Wookery war memorial

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/band1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/band2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/band3.jpg)

I enjoyed painting these so much, I think perhaps I should flog the layout and take up wargaming  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 04, 2015, 04:21:52 pm
Superb painting, Mike. I'm highly impressed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 04, 2015, 04:52:41 pm
You've made an excellent job of the painting, but how are you going to disguise that base they're stood on? :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 04, 2015, 04:55:14 pm
You mean you have never heard of the grenadier surfers?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 04, 2015, 08:04:37 pm
They look superb Mike, you've made a really nice job of them, can't quite see their eyes though.   ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 04, 2015, 08:47:58 pm
Have you ever seen a guardsman's eyes? Their bearskins are always covering them  :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 12:21:52 pm
Some people really shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects.
I've just chopped the end off my little finger  :'(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 01:09:27 pm
O U C H ! I hope you didn't cut too much off and it will heal OK. Have you had a anti-tetanus shot recently?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 01:13:48 pm
Not for a while, but it was a nice new scalpel blade  :D
I have a nice square finger tip now hahahaha

Decisions decisions. There's a nice brand new DCC fitted all green warship on ebay, taken from a boxed set, at a good price.
Seller has some pretty awful feedback though.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 01:20:35 pm
I admit the all-green "Warship" does look very good BUT, personally, I would beware of any seller with a lot of bad feedback. I'm sure there will be others on sale.

Hope your finger recovers, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 01:27:40 pm
25 negatives, 30 neutrals, but taken against 13654 positives over the same period.......
A lot of the bad stuff looks unfair to be honest, people who didn't want to pay for registered overseas, stuff like that.

If it's still available when I get home at teatime, maybe it's meant to be :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on March 06, 2015, 01:35:06 pm
Some people really shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects.
I've just chopped the end off my little finger  :'(

You've got plenty more haven't you? I don't see a problem and neither will your guards as they don't have any eyes to even notice  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 01:52:04 pm
Statistically, that is a very small amount of negatives / neutrals, Mike, so I would risk it. Registered post for overseas is essential as parcels DO go missing. (Maybe, he did not state that requirement clearly enough? I have never had any complaints about that.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on March 06, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
 
Some people really shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects.
I've just chopped the end off my little finger  :'(
::) Never mind they don't get used much. Best go down the vets and get it fixed though.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 04:42:43 pm
Trainfish, it's not my fault that your eyesight is so poor that you can't see the beautiful blue eyes I carefully painted on my regiment.  :smiley-laughing:

Chris, if it was a maroon one I would jump at it, but do I want another green warship, albeit an allover green one.......  ?

Anyway, despite my chief navvy suffering a serious hand injury this morning, his crew have been hard at work digging out the inspection pit for the new engine shed.
Track has been torn up up and new prepared, the pit concreted and all is ready for fixing. Then the electricians will be along to wire up the pit lighting, and the ballasters will be along later.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/pit1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/pit2.jpg)

This kit is one of the free downloads from Scalescenes. Unfortunately they don't mention that it is for the diesel servicing sheds!
I built it, then went to fit it and found it was way too long for my little engine shed  :-[
So, some hasty hacking around tasteful modification made it fit.
I'm just glad that I didn't buy the light strip for it! It will have to make do with a couple of LEDs now.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 05:19:36 pm
The inspection pit looks good, Mike. Did you use the Peco kit? I have a secondhand one (somewhere) and a new one (bought because I could not find the other) but then decided that the Peco kit was not deep enough for the maintenance guys to stand up in so decided to make my own inspection pit out of plasticard and balsa wood (for the stairs). I can cut a deep enough trench in the insulating board surface.

I'm thinking of making the inspection pit sides out of clear plastic with a thin plasticard painted concrete grey overlay with slots cut out to represent the 1960s state-of-the-art fluorescent lighting that the Cant Cove Loco. Preservation Group have installed. (I have not decided whether to use some of the 12V 1M 3M 5M LED Light Strip Battery Operated/Mains Powered Lamp Ribbon Tape or some Grain of Wheat 4mm Clear 12V 20cm Wired Bulbs MPT12.)

Don't forget a sturdy bufferstop at the end.

As to the all-green "Warship" how badly do you want one? Unfortunately, I sold my duplicate maroon "Warship" a while ago so can't help you with one of those instead.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
As I said Chris, it's a Scalescenes free dowload.
I think I'll use one of my red LEDs on a buffer at the end - it should look quite good when you peer inside  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 05:43:03 pm
I don't suppose you have a photo that shows exactly where the lamps were positioned on the big sleeper-built buffers as shown in the top picture do you Chris?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 05:53:25 pm
As I said Chris, it's a Scalescenes free dowload.
I think I'll use one of my red LEDs on a buffer at the end - it should look quite good when you peer inside  :D

In that case you'll definitely need a bufferstop at the end of the track to stop a loco denting the end wall, Mike.

A red LED mounted centrally on the bufferbeam would look good. The actual bufferstop could be made of two vertical pieces of rail with the ends sunk into the ground and superglued.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 05:54:56 pm
I don't suppose you have a photo that shows exactly where the lamps were positioned on the big sleeper-built buffers as shown in the top picture do you Chris?

I think they would be mounted centrally, Mike, as Peco depicts them on both its types of bufferstops.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 06, 2015, 05:58:32 pm
On top, or actually in the middle of the buffer bar?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2015, 05:59:50 pm
On top, or actually in the middle of the buffer bar?

Definitely centrally mounted on top of the actual bufferbeam, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 07, 2015, 07:37:09 pm
After an "interesting" afternoon with the soldering iron, I'm down to 8.5 fingers now  :D

I spent the afternoon fitting street lights, and interior lamps for a few houses and an office, and putting in all the wiring underneath.
I'm very pleased with the finished effect, although it was difficult to photograph! They actually look much better in reality than the photo.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/lights1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/lights2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/lights3.jpg)


I'll have to do something about the warehouse office at the end, as light is bleeding underneath where it doesn't touch the ground properly - a little plinth along the bottom should fix that. The front doors of the houses are only single thickness paper and the light is shining through, but that will be easy enough to cure by sticking another door on the outside. It's a shame that the street lights light up the sky like searchlight beams, but there's a not a lot I can do about that!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 07, 2015, 08:30:50 pm
They look pretty damned good to me, Wookie :thumbsup:

It's a shame that the street lights light up the sky like searchlight beams, but there's a not a lot I can do about that!

Maybe they'd be better fed through one of those cheapish dimmer boxes and they might also last a bit longer :hmmm:
(Plus the folks in bed might get a better night's sleep :D)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 07, 2015, 10:03:03 pm
I'll try them on 6v instead of 12v
I had to put a 6v circuit in as well for the house lights.
Should have just used one circuit and some resistors I suppose.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 07, 2015, 10:19:15 pm
Nope, just tried them on 6v and they just gave a dim glow.
I might try putting a resistor in to bring them down to 9v or so.
They look ok in reality though
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 08, 2015, 08:51:50 pm
I wired my street lights by putting two bulbs in series and running it on 12v, dims the output but still well bright enough plus the bulbs will then last a long long time.   ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Maurits71 on March 08, 2015, 08:56:19 pm
looking really, really nice.

and indeed small resistor will do the job.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 08, 2015, 09:41:29 pm
I didn't build the lights to use them in total darkness (how I took the photos yesterday) but for exhibitions when perhaps the light isn't so good. I tried them today in slightly dim conditions and they looked wonderful, so I won't need to alter them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on March 09, 2015, 01:45:24 am
(Plus the folks in bed might get a better night's sleep :D)

You mean when they're trying to get a bit of shut-eye? Oh, hang on, they haven't got any eyes to shut!   8)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 09, 2015, 08:08:03 am
I didn't build the lights to use them in total darkness (how I took the photos yesterday) but for exhibitions when perhaps the light isn't so good. I tried them today in slightly dim conditions and they looked wonderful, so I won't need to alter them.

That's an excellent point, Mike. the layout won't, normally, be seen in total darkness.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2015, 02:11:16 pm
I am ridiculously pleased with my new buffer stop lamps  :bounce:
I know it's probably simplicity to you gang of kitbashers and scratch builders, but to a man of my (very) limited modelling skills I am over the moon with them:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/lamp3.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/lamp4.jpg)

Standard Peco buffers, painted, and a small hole drilled right through above the buffer beam.
A Langley white metal loco lamp. They come with a small recess, for you to glue a jewel in for a light effect, but a carefully drilled through it with a tiny drill.
I then glued a red micro LED to the back of it and painted the lamp white. I had to give the back a couple of coats of black to stop light "bleed" through.
Threaded the wires through the little hole, and glued the lamp in place.
Topped off the top of the buffers with some track ballast to cover the moulded suface, and BINGO!
What d'ya reckon?

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on March 23, 2015, 02:24:14 pm
They look very nice :D ... Great Modelling.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: rhysapthomas on March 23, 2015, 03:14:43 pm
They look very good I must do some on mine
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2015, 09:21:46 pm
They are really excellent, Mike. I have an unopened (and unwanted) pack of those Peco bufferstops if you want two more to convert?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2015, 10:16:45 pm
I made up six of them this afternoon Chris, including a cut-down version for inside the engine shed, which is all I need.
Thanks for the offer though.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2015, 02:08:26 pm
FINALLY, I managed to buy a 121 bubble car  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on April 29, 2015, 02:50:04 pm
i saw that on ebay this morning for a reasonable price ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 29, 2015, 03:35:38 pm
I was beginning to despair of getting one :(
I can sell my 2-car DMU set now as they aren't right for Bristol in 1965
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 30, 2015, 06:06:14 pm
That's excellent news, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on April 30, 2015, 11:11:58 pm
FINALLY, I managed to buy a 121 bubble car  :claphappy:


Hmmmm they seem to be like buses in Tormouth, you wait for one and three turn up at once ;)

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Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 01, 2015, 08:16:19 am
Ah, that's why there are none on the market - you bought them all :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 01, 2015, 09:11:02 am
A very nice trio. I must get one Class 122 to go with my Class 121.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 04, 2015, 02:37:53 pm
Hmmmm they seem to be like buses in Tormouth, you wait for one and three turn up at once ;)

Not quite, but another has turned up on eBay - with whiskers
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 04, 2015, 02:40:38 pm
I'm after a Class 122 with whiskers and DCC fitted so am waiting for Dapol . . . (or should that not be Godot?)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 27, 2015, 11:18:54 am
Still no progress on my layout due to circumstances beyond my control  :(

Things are changing though and I should soon be able to resume operations.....
I should be able top bring the layout indoors in the not too distant future, so construction should really crack on then!

In the meantime Dapol finally released the 121's and so I bought a dummy to go with my recent motorised purchase. All chipped up now and they look wonderful running together, really pleased with them. Might get another one or two as finances allow, including one with speed whiskers as I'm sure some would have slipped through the repaint net  ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 27, 2015, 02:52:27 pm
Sorry to read about the enforced delay with layout construction, Mike. I know the feeling all too well! I hope you'll soon be able to get restarted and post some pictures.

Glad you got some Class 121s though. Although I'd like one, too, they weren't that common in North Cornwall as opposed to the Class 122s of which I have one but would like another. I have to reserve founds for the SR items due out this summer and for DCC-fitting existing locos. and my DMU.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 17, 2015, 03:32:07 pm
Well, I haven't touched my layout since last September or so. It has sat in the summer house for nine months feeling all uncared for.

They have been a pretty traumatic nine months. My 91 year old mother, who lived with us as she couldn't cope on her own, developed mouth cancer which required a big operation  in Norwich hospital - no cancer treatment facilities in Ipswich! It was pretty horrendous, and involved many 8-9 hour 90 mile round trips for my wife and I to Norwich, for weeks on end.
Mum came through it ok, but has lost her strength and confidence, and can't manage our stairs any more, so she is now in a care home.

I've also had some pretty major health worries myself, and I am now waiting to go to Papworth Hospital (150 mile round trip!) for a coronary MRI scan. I've sommat wrong with my heart but they can't tell what yet!

I've also been pretty tied up with a model railway-related business that I have started up, so the poor old railway has been sadly neglected.

The good news is that I now have a MODEL RAILWAY ROOM  :bounce:
I finally got round to moving the layout today....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/wookery2.jpg)

I have room to build all the module extensions that I want, so watch this space.
It's going to be a long job though, and finances are now very restricted, so don't hold your breath!

The bad news is that 9 months of storage in a room prone to big temperature variations and a bit of damp have played havoc with the track  :(
I spent an hour cleaning it, but still can't get anything to run properly yet. Trains seem to stop on nearly all the points - and there are 36 of them  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 03:53:49 pm
Many thanks for the update, Mike. Very sorry to read about all the serious problems you have experienced. I hope that your mother will recover and the doctors will discover what is wrong with you and can put it right. Very sorry, too, to read about the track problems. Alas, I do not know what to recommend other than lifting the track and relaying it but I hope that other NGF members will. At least you now have a new home for your model railway even if funds to expand will, of necessity, be limited. I wish you all success with your business. If it is model railway related and relevant to us N Gaugers, perhaps you can give it a mention?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 17, 2015, 04:17:07 pm
No, it doesn't need relaying Chris, it is just filthy black! I've cleaned all the top surfaces, but it is the faces that make contact when the point blades move that are the problem.
Nothing that a few hours work with some very fine wet'n'dry won't put right - I hope!

Thanks for your good wishes. I'm sure they'll fit me with a new rubber band and I'll be good for a few more years  :D
It's not worrying me unduly, or I wouldn't have started the business. At my age I have little hope of finding employment, and in any case I have to still be available to take mum to her numerous hospital appointments - the care home will charge £120 (yes one hundred and twenty) a visit if they have to take her anywhere!

I'm selling a big range of model trees in N and OO gauges, as well as other scenic stuff.
I have bookings for four shows Sept-Nov so far, so maybe I will bump into some forum members.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 04:26:49 pm
Thanks for the additional info., Mike. Hope you can get the track clean. Alas, North Cornwall has few trees and I already have too many model trees.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 17, 2015, 04:28:45 pm
You can never have too many trees  :D
The new modules are likely to have a lot of them I feel  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 04:58:30 pm
You can never have too many trees  :D
The new modules are likely to have a lot of them I feel  :smiley-laughing:

Definitely you should showcase your products in the Forest of Wookery! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 17, 2015, 09:19:30 pm
Very sorry to hear about all your troubles, Mike, and hope things pick up for you soon.
Try not to fret about your heart as I'm sure if they thought there was something serious going on they'd act a lot quicker.
I'd suggest after you've given the point blades the wet & dry treatment that you run an IPA soaked pipe cleaner through them. It works for mine.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on July 17, 2015, 09:50:15 pm
Hello Mike,
Good luck with the model business.

One thing you might be glad to know is that Blair Atholl will require hundreds of trees once I start on the scenery!Some good quality beech trees might be useful, I tend find OO/HO ones are good for 2mm scale as they are a more realistic height.

I am having a bit of a struggle with electrics myself at the moment, its my week point. I am wiring the first of three signal panels, and struggling to get good solder joints on the toggle switches etc, I may have to do a bit of re-soldering on some of them.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 18, 2015, 09:08:27 pm
run an IPA soaked pipe cleaner through them. It works for mine.

Seems like a waste of good beer to me   :beers:

Had a lovely day running one of our club layouts at the first Frinto on Sea show today.
The visitors loved my blue Pullman, and I heard one small boy say it was the best train he'd seen there  :D
I haven't run it since last September so I loved it too.
It has all reinvigorated my desire to get building.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 18, 2015, 09:09:55 pm
I tend find OO/HO ones are good for 2mm scale as they are a more realistic height.

I've got some nice OO oak trees that look knockout on an N layout  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on July 19, 2015, 12:31:06 am
I'm interested in your trees even if nobody else is  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 12:52:31 am
So pleased to hear that you seem to be on top of your game after such a horrendous time, Mike.

Also pleased to hear you gave your BP a run. I know that would cheer me up!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 09:50:42 am
Thanks for all the good wishes everybody.

You might like to take a look at this.....

www.youtube (http://www.youtube).
com/watch?v=rXiDwlxhyGw#

Just join the two broken links above together.
The video is disabled from viewing on sites other than youtube.

Guess what it starts off with  :D
The double headed Hymek rake is mine too.
Hadderton will be at TINGS in September.

Trainfish, I'm having trouble getting bookings for my tree/lights display at shows, so many of them are booked up a year in advance.
From memory I'm at Shenfield, Needham Market, Felixstowe, Enfield and Ipswich during Sept Oct Nov
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2015, 11:02:50 am
It's not too late, Mike, to run a special train to GW125. 8-)

GW125 would have occurred (in real life) in 1960 but wasn't really recognised as an event at the time (Unlike the GWR150 celebrations in 1985). So, if you want to join in the celebrations, any photos can be posted on the GW125 Celebrations thread, Mike. The idea being that individuals can photograph celebratory trains on their own layouts and we might be able to replicate that train in differing locations. For example a train with WR Chocolate & Cream carriages might start in the Midlands (pulled e.g. by a Hall ) heading for Cornwall but might change locos at say Exeter or Plymouth (perhaps for a Manor). As a start, several events are being organised in Cornwall, this summer, from Friday, July 15th to Sunday, July 24th, 1960, inclusive, around the Penmayne, Cant Cove, Wadebridge, and Trepol Bay and Port Perran areas .
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2015, 02:13:42 pm
Many thanks for the video post, Mike. There were some nice layouts there. Very good to see your 'Blue Pullman' set having a good run and your double-headed 'Hymeks', too. I also enjoyed the Cornish BR SR & WR layout and the mice's cheese railway!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 02:24:34 pm
Caz, you've edited my link and :censored:  it up!
The video won'r run anywhere other than on youtube  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 19, 2015, 03:06:42 pm
Caz, you've edited my link and bu**ered it up!
The video won'r run anywhere other than on youtube  :(

I tried to do the same this morning with the same result so removed my post :doh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on July 19, 2015, 03:32:17 pm
Caz, you've edited my link and  :censored: it up!
The video won'r run anywhere other than on youtube  :(

The link wasn''t working at all as it was corrupted, I have now restored your original non working link post.  My edit displayed the link correctly but a YouTube message that says the video owner has disabled playback except on YouTube.  Suggest you check your settings and modify your link accordingly.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 04:23:27 pm
That's why I showed it as a split link over two lines, with instructions to link them up again, because of the youtube restriction  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on July 19, 2015, 04:27:15 pm
That's why I showed it as a split link over two lines, with instructions to link them up again, because of the youtube restriction  :D


You can change that restriction in your YouTube settings I believe.  Here's a working link and if you change your video playback settings in your YouTube account then the second link will work as well.

Direct link

https://youtu.be/rXiDwlxhyGw (https://youtu.be/rXiDwlxhyGw)


Below a non working link until YouTube settings are changed

http://youtu.be/rXiDwlxhyGw (http://youtu.be/rXiDwlxhyGw)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 06:26:07 pm
It's not my video!
It was taken by somebody who visited the show and then uploaded it to youtube.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 08:27:50 pm
British Rail are pleased to announce the resumption of rail services via Wookery.
Rails have been restored to working order which were affected by the wrong sort of snow during the winter:

https://youtu.be/PW9zuILlPf0 (https://youtu.be/PW9zuILlPf0)

Viewed from the rear non-scenic section as I can't film from the front at the moment, due to a wardrobe having appeared in the way  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 19, 2015, 10:22:23 pm
Good to see trains running again, Mike, especially hydraulics :D
That line in the fiddle yard nearest the control panel is in dire need of a straight edge, though :P ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2015, 10:36:11 pm
It will all be coming up when I build the extension boards  :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 21, 2015, 03:40:48 pm
Two days of hard work, and at last some progress on Wookery:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/bufferlights1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/bufferlights2.jpg)

All buffers fitted with stop lamps, including inside the engine shed.
They were an absolute pig to install, as the micro LEDs are fitted with such fine wire that it only takes the tiniest tug to snap it!  :censored:
I had to redo some of them several times, and began to wonder if they were worth all the effort, but in the end I think they are, as they will provide another point of interest at exhibitions.
I'm having very mixed feelings about the layout, and also DCC operation though.
I designed the layout to have the maximum operational variety to provide interest at exhibitions, but now that I've done a few shows I realise that the public aren't interested in complicated shunting movements, they just like watching big long trains come round on nice big layouts.
I've also realised that I like exactly the same thing!
I'm also not happy with DCC control, and think the main advantage is the provision of sound, which is very difficult to cram into N gauge - it is hard enough to get even a chip in some! I'm having a lot of problems with CV settings (which I don't understand) and my hard-wired conversions aren't very reliable runners - even BRAND NEW ones!
Some don't respond to the emergency stop, and carry on running, some don't run on DC even though the setting is correct. You have to be able to remember all the codes for each engine to be able to switch the control. All in all, I'm not convinced. I understand more about isolating sections in DC, which I didn't when I first started.
I'm seriously thinking of completing the layout with the existing boards, then flogging it with the controller and starting again.....with DC....and probably with Kato track too.
I didn't know this existed as a beginner, and it is brilliant stuff.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 21, 2015, 05:00:27 pm
Not really sure what to say to you, Mike.
It would be a great shame to sell off the layout as you'll not get a great deal of money for all the time and effort you've put into it, but that is countered by the fact you are obviously not happy with it and the DCC operating system.
The decision, of course, must be yours. Either way, there's plenty of help and support from the rest of the collective whatever you decide.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: grumbeast on July 21, 2015, 05:29:09 pm
Just as a bit of encouragement Mike, I know that DCC is the future and frankly it's great, but I gave it up for exactly the same reasons as you and don't regret it one bit!  (Not to mention the relief at not having to Chip so many locomotives!  So good luck! With whatever you decide

Graham
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 21, 2015, 05:35:13 pm
Thanks guys.
I'm not convinced about the quality of chips that have been fitted.
I may try a couple of better quality ones, just to see if they are better.
I definitely won't be buying anything else that isn't DCC ready!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 21, 2015, 05:52:05 pm
Sorry to read about all your problems, Mike. I wonder if the type of DCC chips you have makes a negative difference.

I wanted DCC in enable me to double-head (and bank) trains plus to safely 'park' locos. in sidings without having to switch isolated sections in and out.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on July 21, 2015, 06:52:55 pm
Hello Mike,

Its a shame you are having some problems with DCC. Hard-wiring certainly isn't easy, although those that aren't DCC ready are getting fewer nowadays.

I don't think I would ever consider going back to DC. DCC has a lot of advantages other than some simplification of the wiring.
For example its easier to consist locomotives. You can add a pilot locomotive anywhere in a station, a move that might be very restricted with DC. Also there is the problem with loco's with lights with DC - that as soon as the speed drops below a certain level the lights dim, and then completely go out - before the loco even stops.

Personally I hope you can persevere with DCC. I think people may be correct about the quality of some decoders possibly being the cause of some of your problems.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 21, 2015, 07:12:51 pm
Analysing my problems:

My DCC ready class 121's (one powered, one dummy) both have the same problem - standing still the lights don't work, start them running and after a long pause, they come on. Accelerate and they go out, slow down fractionally and they come back on.
My hard wired railcar runs in totally the opposite direction to everything else. My hard wired  teddybear won't work on DC, and ignores the change of direction button most of the time. It also takes an absolute age to start moving. My hard wired Western ignores the emergency stop button. These are all fitted with an American chip.

Factory fitted chips, and DCC ready where I have bought and fitted Gaugemaster chips all seem to run OK.
I need two chips for my Midland Pullman. I feel inclined to buy them, but try them in the 121s first.
If they run correctly then it would point to the Yankee chips being rubbish.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on July 22, 2015, 12:42:33 am
Mike,  thank you for sharing your thoughts about your current layout and DCC. Very interesting for a DC dino like myself. I have no doubts that DCC is the way of the future, but, like you say, I think that having to chip every locomotive is a pain and obviously ups the costs of the hobby.

I like the lights on the buffer stops, by the way!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 22, 2015, 07:21:10 am
There is no doubt that DCC adds significantly to the cost of locomotives, railcars and multiple units (and a MU requires two chips: one at each end). Early Graham Farish are uneconomic to convert but later ones can be. Newer Dapol and Graham Farish locomotives, railcars and multiple units can be bought DCC ready or with DCC chips already fitted and these latter are a cheaper option.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 22, 2015, 02:19:37 pm

Foreign invaders land in Wookery...............

https://youtu.be/9osIXs5t_RY (https://youtu.be/9osIXs5t_RY)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Malc on July 22, 2015, 02:25:46 pm
Impressive.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 22, 2015, 03:52:18 pm

Foreign invaders land in Wookery...............

https://youtu.be/9osIXs5t_RY (https://youtu.be/9osIXs5t_RY)

There goes the neighbourhood ::) :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Ditape on July 22, 2015, 04:26:08 pm
I thought the chinese were everywhere these days but the Japenese obviously still have foot hold :angel:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 22, 2015, 05:12:28 pm
They are from the club layout that I am building. The trains have been in storage for 4 years or so, so I gave them a bit of a run.
Interestingly, I had the same control problems - running away ignoring controls, even the emergency stop.
....and I have a sneaking suspicion that they were chipped at the same place as mine...

Any way, I have 2 new Gaugemaster chips, and am about to trundle upstairs to try them out in my 121s............ I'll be back
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Only Me on July 22, 2015, 05:17:59 pm
Analysing my problems:

My DCC ready class 121's (one powered, one dummy) both have the same problem - standing still the lights don't work, start them running and after a long pause, they come on. Accelerate and they go out, slow down fractionally and they come back on.
My hard wired railcar runs in totally the opposite direction to everything else. My hard wired  teddybear won't work on DC, and ignores the change of direction button most of the time. It also takes an absolute age to start moving. My hard wired Western ignores the emergency stop button. These are all fitted with an American chip.

Factory fitted chips, and DCC ready where I have bought and fitted Gaugemaster chips all seem to run OK.
I need two chips for my Midland Pullman. I feel inclined to buy them, but try them in the 121s first.
If they run correctly then it would point to the Yankee chips being rubbish.

Railcar fix is easy, you turn the motor 180 degrees or swap the grey and orange wires around.

Class 14 will most probably have the DC cv turned off. Also it probably just needs the start volts increasing.

Others are likely just needing cv tweaking knowledge too!

Pretty sure Chris of Old Warren fame lives somewhere near your area! Im sure he could fix them in minutes!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 22, 2015, 07:46:04 pm
Class 14 definitely has been set to run on DC, and checked and double checked by the guy who fitted it.
He can't explain it.

Thanks for info on railcar - I might try and reverse the wires myself if it looks easy :)

Anyway, tried the new chips in the 121s and they ran perfectly and lights were exactly right.
I then put the chips into the Midland Pullman and everything is perfect  :D

So, I guess I am buying two more chips for the 121s. I did look to see if I have any DCC ready engines without working lights that I could swap the chips with, but they all have lights.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 22, 2015, 08:52:14 pm
I haven't run any of my stock at home for 9 months, so I gave them all a quick run tonight. I had it wrong about the railcar - it runs fine on DCC, it's on DC where it runs the wrong way round! They tried to run it on the automated section of our club modular layout, and it went the wrong way to everything else so they couldn't use it. That doesn't bother me, so I'm leaving well alone!

I even ran my steam tonight, and they behaved themselves pretty well, and Clun Castle and King James didn't derail much at all  :goggleeyes: My liitle tank engine was perfect.

The class 14 is the one that really needs to be sorted, as it is the only engine I have to shunt the 1965 goods yard.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on July 22, 2015, 11:16:39 pm
Well, it seems to me that all this DCC is like the 1973 "Westworld" movie. All these robots get chipped, purely for entertainment of visitors to an amusement park, but then run amok....

On another subject, where can I find out about your trees? Trying to work out how many I need, but thinking it might run into about 100 or so hawthorn trees, and a similar number of birch. Who in their right mind would model Perthshire....

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 23, 2015, 09:20:46 am
Dunno whereabouts you are in Essex, but I'll be at Shenfield show 19th Sept and Enfield 26th Sept.
N gauge trees tend to not be modelled on specific species, something that can be achieved much easier in OO.
I have a lot of trees though and something may suit you  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 24, 2015, 04:59:30 pm
I'm ridiculously pleased with this sleeper crossing that I made yesterday to give access to the coal yard.
It's my first attempt at making something for the layout that didn't come in kit form, and I think it has turned out well...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/crossing.jpg)

This afternoon I have been having my first ever go at some scenic landscaping.
Again, I am reasonably pleased, although the hedge turned out to somewhat denser/fatter than I anticipated.
It doesn't look bad though, and the retaining wall looks good.
The grass isn't as bright as that, it's a trick of light cos light was coming in from the back.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/corner.jpg)

I'll put some sheep or cows in there to finish off

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on July 24, 2015, 05:05:23 pm
Looks good.
I think it's very satisfying when something scratch built works out.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: NeMo on July 24, 2015, 05:24:43 pm
I'm ridiculously pleased with this sleeper crossing that I made yesterday to give access to the coal yard.
It's my first attempt at making something for the layout that didn't come in kit form, and I think it has turned out well...
([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/crossing.jpg[/url])

Snap! The first scratch built thing I ever made, too. Yours is better though.  :thumbsup:

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 24, 2015, 07:38:20 pm
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Northman on July 24, 2015, 08:23:39 pm
Looks good Mike and yes it is really satisfying to make something yourself.........out of interest as I have a couple of these to make - what did you use? - the scale looks perfect.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 24, 2015, 08:40:14 pm
I just made it out of a bit of plastic from an old Ratio platform  :D
I guesstimated the width of two sleepers, and scratched their profile into the surface with a craft knife.
The top edge of the slopes has to be chamfered to sit square to the side of the rail, and likewise the bottom edge to sit nicely on the base.

I'm going to make a smaller one to cross both rails from the station to the signal box for staff to use.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on July 24, 2015, 10:37:11 pm
Ace bit of work there. Are those trees the ones you sell?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 24, 2015, 11:13:16 pm
Some of the very small ones yes.
I'm going to plonk a couple of stonking 100 foot oak trees somewhere  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on July 24, 2015, 11:55:24 pm
I look forward to you stonking :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on July 25, 2015, 01:53:14 pm
Dunno whereabouts you are in Essex, but I'll be at Shenfield show 19th Sept and Enfield 26th Sept.
N gauge trees tend to not be modelled on specific species, something that can be achieved much easier in OO.
I have a lot of trees though and something may suit you  :D

I am only 15 minutes away from Shenfield, but not sure yet whether I will be available that weekend. If I am I will pop by. Trees in the part of the world I'm modelling do often grow to 80 feet or more, so OO ones are often suitable. I have made some birch using Woodland scenic stems, but painted off-white to represent the bark.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Sprintex on July 25, 2015, 02:11:27 pm
N gauge trees tend to not be modelled on specific species,

Oh they do ;)

https://www.themodeltreeshop.co.uk/model-railways/n-gauge-products.html (https://www.themodeltreeshop.co.uk/model-railways/n-gauge-products.html)

Bought mine from them at two shows now, very nice people to talk to and at least a handful of specific trees some of which are to a decent height :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on July 25, 2015, 04:45:04 pm
I would definitely agree about the Model Tree Shop being preferred supplier for miniature trees - I have bought them by mail order and they arrive well packed and promptly :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 27, 2015, 03:00:37 pm
My navvies have been busy yesterday and today, and platform two is now completed  :D

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/platform1.jpg)  (http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/platform2.jpg)



Some of you will recall that I ripped up my fiddle yard last autumn and relaid it all:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fiddle.jpg)

Whilst the long term plans are to build several more base boards and incorporate a big fiddle yard, I needed something in the short term.
I was disappointed with the results, thinking that I would only be able to run an engine and three carriages, when I like watching long trains.
Well, today I finally had the chance to have a good play test, and I found that with the careful use of short locos and BG vans, I can actually run one engine with 3 coaches, two with 4 coaches and 1 with 5!
Add to this, with thoughtful use of passing loops, another 3 or 4 engines on the branch lines, plus of course the shunter in the goods yard, and I have all sorts of operational possibilities. To be honest, I think anything more than 5 coaches on the layout as it stands would turn it into a tailchaser anyway. It DOES need a LOT of attention paid to all the points though!  :o

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fiddle1.jpg)  (http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fiddle2.jpg) (http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fiddle3.jpg)

I've decided that I am going to splash out on a DCC-ready class 20 to try to solve my shunting problems. I know that they weren't used in the Bristol area, but it will have to be one on loan whilst wookery's engine is in for a major overhaul - RULE ONE applies.  :D

The next project is four warehouse buildings that I have to build. They should provide the finishing touches to the industrial area, then it will be scenic work!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on July 27, 2015, 03:31:59 pm
Looks very workman like to me :claphappy:     if you want a job though you can come and 'tweek' a few of my points ( I wont even charge you for the privilege )
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 27, 2015, 05:12:23 pm
I have a special tool for points Jon.....it's called a sledgehammer  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on July 27, 2015, 06:27:46 pm
Looking very good :thumbsup:
You could send your loco in this direction for major overhaul though it could take months of testing to make sure it ran properly :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on July 27, 2015, 06:56:04 pm
Looks excellent to me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 27, 2015, 08:46:00 pm
You could send your loco in this direction for major overhaul though it could take months of testing to make sure it ran properly :D

I don't think the ***** thing would make it to you  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 29, 2015, 06:22:54 pm
nice work  :greatpicturessign: looking good.
regards Derek
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 31, 2015, 05:41:22 pm
Despite a blinding migraine yesterday, which completely wiped me out and left me shattered today, I have managed to complete the industrial buildings....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/industry.jpg)

There are a water tower and tall chimney behind, which are part of the set.
I'm going to modify the platform, by removing the ramp at the front end, as it would block the access road.

I dug the elevated back scene out of storage today, and tried it in place.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/overview.jpg)

Wookery is finally starting to take shape  :D The photo gives a pretty good "feel" of the place.
There are a mass of small  details to add, plus lights etc, but I think the next step is to sort out the road surfaces, concrete areas etc..

George of Geominster fame has kindly sent me a copy of his track plan, and it has really put the cat amongst the pigeons, as I am now considering a fiddle yard at 90 degrees to the scenic area (creating an "L" shaped layout), with a return loop at the end to allow continuous running. I have to get the tape out and measure the room to see what I can fit in  :o

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 31, 2015, 07:22:06 pm
Onto another subject.....
Regulars will have realised that I know bu**er all about prototypical operations or equipment, I just like playing trains  :smiley-laughing:

I have been attempting for some time to put together a convincing parcels train.
What I need are maroon GUVs, but they seem rarer than hen's teeth!
I finally managed to pick one up this week, and the bonus is, it has a WR running number  :thumbsup:

Over the last six months or so I have managed to cobble together the following:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/parcels1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/parcels2.jpg)

My parcels train consists of five G & H Syphon vans, two SR CCT vans, one MR CCT and the aforementioned GUV.

So I now have some questions for the rivetco experts amongst us:

Is this a passable parcels train?
What form of braking would it have? A full BG behind the engine? A freight guards van at the back? Both?
I'm guessing the old pre-war syphons wouldn't have the correct brake connections to be able to run a BG front and back.
Would the GUV have been tacked into a rake of passenger coaches? I know CCTs were.
I have assumed that full load CCTs from outside the area would not have been stopped and trans-shipped into WR wagons at the "border" - is this correct?
Would they have been returned to sender empty via whatever goods/parcel train was heading that way, or would they have been sent back whenever with a return full/part load?
Or would WR have just painted them red/brown and denied ever seeing them?  :smiley-laughing:

I TOLD you I know nowt!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on July 31, 2015, 08:30:59 pm
A little knowledge, as the saying goes, is a dangerous thing.  So here's a little of the little knowledge I've amassed about parcels trains.

Parcels trains would be composed of stock that could travel at passenger train speeds; I think that meant suitable wheel bearings and fitted with vacuum brakes.  Other than that, there's not really a correct formula for a parcels train.  As far as I can tell just about any fitted van could be used even goods brake vans.

Your parcels train, which looks pretty good to me, would have a full brake of some description as the last vehicle.  The Siphon vans were fully fitted (they had to be because the milk trains they were originally designed for also ran at passenger speeds). 

GUVs were certainly used in passenger trains.  In the photos I've seen they were usually the first vehicle behind the engine.  I've also seen Siphons running in the same position in passenger trains.

Have a look at this thread on RM Web, lots of photos of parcels trains http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66383-modelling-a-traditional-parcels-train/?p=899525 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66383-modelling-a-traditional-parcels-train/?p=899525)

I have a feeling that the Siphon H vans were withdrawn before the end of mainline steam, but I don't know for certain.

I would have thought that vehicles would return loaded where possible rather than empty but again that's more of a feeling than a definitive statement.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 31, 2015, 09:35:11 pm
So syphons were braked? See, I told you I know nowt  :(
Wookery is set in 1965 John. I guess I'll have to stretch things a bit to use the H syphons....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on July 31, 2015, 09:47:53 pm
No worries!  None of us were born knowing this stuff and there's always something new to learn.  That's one of the things that keeps this hobby interesting, at least for me.

My layout is set sometime between 1960 and 1965 (mostly, it can change depending on what stock I want to run on a given day) and I run Siphon Hs as well as Siphon Gs.  I wouldn't worry if I were you.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on July 31, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
Mike - the Farish weathered maroon MK1 GUV 374-130B are due into the shops in the next 6 weeks or so, I believe. If you don't want them weathered then you will probably still find some pristine ones (374-130) about.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on July 31, 2015, 09:58:31 pm
374-130 is the one I got mate.
I don't mind weathered, but I'm not sure I'll like the price of brand new.....wookie heads off to the website of a certain Liverpool retailer  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 01, 2015, 08:51:40 pm
SR CCTs and WR Siphons could be seen all over the UK, Mike. The SR CCTs look like Southern Railway livery ones rather than BR SR Green which was a darker colour. HOWEVER, they were, usually, a filthy brown colour so you can easily paint them with Track Dirt. Some Siphons lasted into BR Blue days but the later design (Lima ones, often for sale on eBay).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 01, 2015, 09:15:36 pm
Oh damn! Anybody want to buy two Southern Railways green CCT vans with different running numbers?  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 01, 2015, 10:45:15 pm
Oh damn! Anybody want to buy two Southern Railways green CCT vans with different running numbers?  :(

They will sell on eBay but July and August are not good months for selling anything unless it is rare, I'm afraid, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 02, 2015, 11:51:04 am
Yes I know Chris, school summer holidays kill everything stone dead......until it comes to something I am bidding on  :(

Well, spurred on by the success of my crossing to the coal depot, and all your encouraging comments, I have now completed the barrow crossing over two lines to the signal box - they have to get the coal across for their burner to keep the box snug don't they?

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/barrow.jpg)

Question: How do I post a Scarm track plan on here?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 02, 2015, 11:57:56 am
This works for me, Mike..

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28801.msg318860#msg318860 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28801.msg318860#msg318860)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 02, 2015, 12:46:49 pm
Thanks mate - I didn't know you could export the files, I was just trying to save it, and all it offered was the  .scarm extension.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddleyard.jpg)

Thanks to George, I realised that I can fit a fiddle yard onto my layout without building loads of modules to form a full circular layout.
It hadn't occurred to me that as long as the board is wide enough to allow a return loop at the end I can still have two trains running continuously.
It takes a bit of trickery and some tight bends to get back to the main board on the left hand side, but it is do-able.
I can actually fit in an 8' x 2'6" board at right angles, which is bigger than the board I've used on Scarm.
Scarm only uses setrack short points, but I don't think that medium ones would make much difference.
I can even fit in a fiddle yard for the goods yard and branch line!
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Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 03, 2015, 12:09:33 pm
The Wookery borough engineer has been busy this morning, surveying the foundations for the Pickfords warehouse, and the area around the station, ready for the construction of concrete parking areas and pavements.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/paving.jpg)

Each concrete patch will be individually cut out, to allow for the mandatory weeds that grow in concrete joins  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 03, 2015, 12:59:46 pm
Excellent progress, Mike. I look forward to future updates.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 03, 2015, 08:26:29 pm
There has been considerable panic in the ranks of the committee of the Wookery Preservation Society today. This followed a visit from the health & safety officer from Wookery Borough Council. He objected to the parking spaces that had been created to the side of the station. He argued that, following the recent development of the vacant plot opposite, where extensive factory premises have been built, the parking spaces would seriously affect safe pedestrian access to and from the station, with very restricted vehicular access between the new buildings and the existing coaling station for the railway. He threatened to rescind the station operating licence. Following a hastily arranged meeting between the WPS committee and council planning officers, it was agreed that the coaling point would be moved to a safer position in the railway yard, allowing the construction of a footpath from the station up to the High Street.
Council workmen immediately moved in with pneumatic drills and broke up some of the concrete that had only been laid earlier in the day! Tomorrow morning's local newspaper will have a field day with glaring headlines of  "Mad beaurocracy causes mayhem". WPS and British Rail both insist that normal services will continue from Wookery station during the alterations, but passengers may encounter minor difficulties approaching the station, for which they offer their apologies. Meanwhile, builders trucks are removing the broken up concrete.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 04, 2015, 08:28:28 pm
Just catching up after a few days away and this looks like excellent progress.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 04, 2015, 09:16:42 pm
One small detail, Mike. I would extend the board crossing past the signal box to the base of the station platform for the station staff to use.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 04, 2015, 09:31:41 pm
Not a criticism of your crossing but I'd have packed some extra ballast under the centre as I'd hate to get stuck there with a trolley when there's a train bearing down on me :worried:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 04, 2015, 10:13:24 pm
I think it gives it a bit of character  :D
That central section is made from several separate pieces, so was quite tricky.
It doesn't look as bad as that really, the low angle makes it look worse.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 05, 2015, 04:59:07 pm
The Wookery Borough Council workmen have absolutely excelled themselves today, building the new pavement and parking spaces around Wookery station.
There is now a safe paved pedestrian footpath all the way from the station up to the High Street, and people on foot no longer have to walk round the parked cars.
The workmen slogged away at it all day, apart from an hour at lunchtime when they all trooped up to the Station Tavern on the High Street to enjoy a well deserved pint (or two).

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/paving2.jpg)

There is just one more short section to build, from the end of the platform over to Pickfords furniture warehouse, and two sets of steps up to the main station building - which seems to have disappeared at the moment!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/paving3.jpg)

.....then it will be over to the other side of the road to do the same again for at least part of the way.
It's amazing how quickly those weeds grow - Fred, the stationmaster's handyman, is going to have to come round with the weedkiller.
There will be a high fence between the footpath and the rail siding.
No doubt there will soon be plenty of oil stains in the parking areas!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 05, 2015, 05:16:45 pm
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 05, 2015, 05:27:57 pm
Those workmen have done an excellent job and well deserved their lunchtime pint.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 05, 2015, 07:31:59 pm
Who says British workmen are lazy?
The foreman persuaded them to do a bit of evening overtime (after they had been to the pub for a pie and a pint of course) and they have completed the pavement through to Pickfords.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/paving4.jpg)

There will eventually be a fence along the edge of the platform, which will then continue along the edge of the paving to Pickfords.
I see those damned weeds have spread across to the barrow crossing  :D
Seeing those rails from this angle, I do wish I had used code 55 !!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 05, 2015, 07:54:13 pm
That's looking really good and I think the weeds add a nice finishing touch.
I do hope that the workmen were paid a little overtime.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 05, 2015, 08:10:14 pm
Thanks mate.
I just realised the photo shows some of the crates I made inside through the doorway - hadn't noticed it.

The foreman paid for all their pub dinners, plus they got overtime  :D

I might do a bit of the road tomorrow, just as a change from paving. I'll see how I feel tomorrow....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 05, 2015, 08:47:17 pm
More excellent progress. I did notice the crates visible through the open door; a nice feature.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Northman on August 06, 2015, 07:27:40 am
Enjoying the burst of progress made by the workmen...........

 "and two sets of steps up to the main station building" - I do hope they think of pushchairs and wheel chair users and build a ramp as well  ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 06, 2015, 10:02:15 am
Oh ****!

I don't think places were very wheelchair-friendly back then were they?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 06, 2015, 01:35:06 pm
I've been absolutely itching to know if my idea for a road surface would work, so "Tarmac Pat" and his crew have been called in to do some road surfacing, as work on people's driveways has been a bit scarce lately.
This morning they did a wonderful job on the turning point at the end of the road in front of Pickfords.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/road1.jpg)

Unfortunately the naive foreman allowed them to go to the pub for their lunch hour. Three hours later, and they returned.
This afternoon's work hasn't been at all up to scratch, and the road surface is already breaking up and has had to be patched and is full of potholes!
Those perishing weeds have spread again, and the coal truck has had a bit of an accident and lost a sack of coal!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/road2.jpg)

The foreman is furious and has already told the company bosses not to pay Pat's bill when it comes in.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 09, 2015, 08:14:00 pm
It's been a VERY busy weekend at Wookery!
Yesterday morning I discovered a Scalescenes building kit on my computer which I had downloaded and then forgotten all about!
Of course I had to immediately get it constructed to see if I could still fit it in......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/new1.jpg)

I have built it as a cold store, and as you can see, I had to scrape away a lot of scenic stuff that had already been laid, to make a space. (I am particularly proud of that bit of broken and overgrown concrete that will be part of the Station Garage's compound)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/new2.jpg)

Most of you know that I am a BIG fan of Scalescenes models, and my layout is packed with them. This one was a free download, designed to whet you appetite and get you to buy others. As such it was a bit of a disappointment. Some of the instructions were unclear or just wrong, and I found it quite difficult at times - which is unusual as I am very experienced with their kits now. Had I started with this kit, I probably would have given up on them, which sort of defeats the object of the free download!
Anyway, for nowt it is a nice little model, which fills a space that I was going to have as a rough over grown bit of waste land.

The road down to the station has now been completed. The foreman very wisely decided against using "Tarmac Pat" again after his previous poor work, and so the Wookery Asphalt Co were utilised, and a good job they have made of it too......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/new3.jpg)

The bricklayer has made a start on the walls around the Wookery Chemical Co's plot.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/new4.jpg)

I just have a short section of paving to do along the front of the new factory, plus a concrete lorry parking area to the right of the buildings.
The area behind the factory will be cobblestoned.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/new5.jpg)

Finally, an overview of the whole station area.

Next project I think is the Scalescenes church, complete with stained glass windows, for the left hand scenic end.
It will be internally lit to show off the windows.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on August 09, 2015, 08:18:06 pm
Its all coming together really well :)

I guess that since the release of the freebie store a good while since John at Scalescenes has improved the instructions and the kits in general :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 09, 2015, 08:22:55 pm
I only downloaded it about 6 weeks ago Jason  :D
But yes, generally the kits are brilliant!
I wouldn't use anything else now, since my scratchbuilding skills are pretty much non existent.  :(
I tried plastic kits and painting, and wasn't too impressed with that either!
Metcalfe are OK, apart from the bare edges and the fact everybody has them!
Ready to plant resins are quite good, but SOOOOO expensive
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 09, 2015, 09:29:15 pm
I'm sensing a whole new enthusiasm for 'Wookery' now, Mike. Glad your mojo appears to have returned with a vengeance :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 09, 2015, 09:35:02 pm
Gotta get it finished if I'm going to flog it mate  :D
But yeah...it was the scenic parts that I was always more interested in, and I'm enjoying my creative side.
I have loads of small projects planned that I think will really make the layout.
It always fascinates me at shows, when you are running fantastic set of trains round, that the young mum with three kids turns up and loves the little vegetables on the allotments!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on August 09, 2015, 09:46:04 pm
Its that setting and "time and place" thing that people notice

After all, one Farish "train" looks pretty much like another one
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 09, 2015, 09:51:26 pm
Very nice work, Mike. How about some station buildings and a footbridge, next?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 09, 2015, 10:02:27 pm
They are already done Chris, look back at old photos.
I just didn't put them in place for these latest pics.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 10, 2015, 07:53:20 am
Ah. Thanks, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 10, 2015, 05:17:49 pm
I'm busy printing the church out, after some initial printer problems - there are NINETEEN pages of instructions (gulp)  :o

It looks an awesome project, but surely it can't be harder than my big Pickfords warehouse was?
Famous last words......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 10, 2015, 06:45:58 pm
Good luck with that, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 10, 2015, 09:37:27 pm
Good luck with that, Mike.

+1 to that. Hope you don't get eye strain reading the instructions :read: :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 11, 2015, 04:53:30 pm
This model is almost as solidly built as a real medieval church.
I have finished one wall, and there are so many layers it is nearly half a centimetre thick!

I wonder if I could have organ music playing from inside.....or would that just be one step too far?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 11, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
I look forward to finished result, Mike. A MP3 of organ music played through a cheap MP3 player sounds good to me. By the time you finish the church though, maybe, Christmas Carols? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 11, 2015, 08:17:26 pm
No, this will need funeral music  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 17, 2015, 04:40:26 pm
I'm busy printing the church out, after some initial printer problems - there are NINETEEN pages of instructions (gulp)  :o

It looks an awesome project, but surely it can't be harder than my big Pickfords warehouse was?
Famous last words......

Me and my big mouth!  :(
The church kit is pretty complicated.
After several days work I just have the roof to do - but that itself is quite a big job!
My wife reckons the building is even more impressive than the Pickford's warehouse though, so it should be worth all the work.....


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/church1.jpg)


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/church2.jpg)


Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 17, 2015, 04:49:42 pm
 :goggleeyes: That's certainly very impressive.
Will you be having a funeral or a wedding outside the church (in my case I think they were one and the same thing ::))?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 17, 2015, 04:54:58 pm
There will be a funeral with full military honours and accompanyiong military band and marching guardsmen coming down the High Street towards the church
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Northman on August 17, 2015, 05:20:33 pm
I am looking forward to making this one too.

Although there is a great deal of interior detail there does not seem to be any pews..........any ideas or thoughts as I understand the roof can lift off and it will look rather strange without them?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 17, 2015, 05:26:52 pm
My roof won't be lifting off - problem solved  :D
I do intend to light it from within though, so may give it some thought as a large void inside wouldn't look good..
I think pews would be reasonably easy to make to look ok through the stained glass windows, but to lift the roof off is another matter!

Maybe I'll just light the bell tower instead  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 17, 2015, 07:07:25 pm
That really is a highly impressive piece of work, Mike. I look forward to seeing the finished version.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 17, 2015, 07:59:23 pm
That church looks amazing. Excellent work indeed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 17, 2015, 08:04:45 pm
Each side of those ramparts requires 20 different pieces stuck together, some of them tiny  :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Marty on August 18, 2015, 02:03:13 pm
Solid as... Nice tidy work too.

Marty
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on August 18, 2015, 07:17:27 pm
:goggleeyes: That's certainly very impressive.
Will you be having a funeral or a wedding outside the church (in my case I think they were one and the same thing ::))?

What's the shortest sentence in the English Language - and yet at the same time the longest sentence?...

"I do"!!!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Haha I love it  :smiley-laughing:

I invested in a bottle of "Track Magic" today. The fluid looks to be quite good, but the foam pad on a stick is  :censored: useless!
I only cleaned about four feet of track and it is already disintegrating!!  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on August 18, 2015, 08:03:17 pm
The church is v impressive. It looks as though it has quite a large footprint.

As for pews, how about some station benches painted the appropriate light/medium/dark oak?

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 18, 2015, 08:10:29 pm
It looks as though it has quite a large footprint.
It is 188mm x 82mm Dave - easily the biggest structure on my layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on August 18, 2015, 08:44:55 pm
Isopropyl will do the same as Track Magic but far cheaper.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 18, 2015, 09:03:04 pm
I asked if they had IPA in my model shop, but they only had the Track Magic.....and yeah it wasn't cheap  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 18, 2015, 09:42:11 pm
Try a chemists, that's where I get mine from, though living in Spain things might be a bit different here.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on August 18, 2015, 09:45:37 pm
I pa from Amazon
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on August 19, 2015, 11:20:13 am
Maplins do it in quantities up to 1 litre

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 19, 2015, 04:16:04 pm
Well it's fginished, and the vicar has obligingly parked his Ford Anglia to give an idea of scale.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/church3.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/church4.jpg)

I'm a little disappointed with it to be honest. The roof was a pig and there is still a small gap between the tower and the body of the church. My wife reckons it's not noticable, but it is niggling me. I may try to cover it with a little lead flashing, although I'm scared of messing it up altogether! I certainly wouldn't want to build it with a removable roof, as they suggest!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Steve Brassett on August 19, 2015, 04:40:39 pm
Looks good from here!  Roofs are tricky - I've built a few card models, and the roof is definitely one of the difficult bits.  The next one I build I am considering trying some textured plastic for the roof.  I have noticed that when looking at real houses, you can't really see any brick texture from 100 or so feet away, but you can see roof tiles.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 19, 2015, 08:53:17 pm
Looks good to me too. I hope the vicar didn't demolish too many gravestones before parking his car. :worried:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 19, 2015, 09:03:18 pm
it looks fantastic to me.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 19, 2015, 09:35:43 pm
Thanks guys, your encouragement means a lot  :thankyousign:

OK, this is completely off-topic, but it's my thread and I need a rant  :D

I have been waiting since mid-June for an appointment for a heart MRI scan at Papworth hospital.
Two weeks ago I got a letter out of the blue with an appointment to see a health tutor at Wolverhampton Hospital. Huh?
I rang them up.
Oh, were you not expecting an appointment?
Nope
Oh, is there a problem?
Yes I live 200 miles away,,,,,
Oh

(5 minute wait)

Have you ever lived in Wolverhampton?
Nope

(5 minute wait)

Have you ever had treatment in Wolverhampton?
Nope. I came to a footb all match there in 1975, does that count?

Anyway, long story short, they had no idea whatsoever why I was sent the letter.

Two weeks pass, my condition is getting worse, and scary, I nearly called an ambulance a couple of times in last few days, so I go to my GP this morning to see if they can chivvy things along.
Doc is reading a letter on the screen....

From Wolverhampton hospital

"we understand that your patient has changed his name to Williams and moved to Wolverhampton, so we have cancelled the request for an appointment at Papworth."


Words absolutely fail me .
I was glad to have the church to work on today, to help with my stress levels  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 19, 2015, 09:51:47 pm
What a Large Chicken :)-up! I thought the Spanish health service was bad enough but that takes the biscuit.
It might be a good idea next time you are rough to call an ambulance and keep pestering the hospital until something constructive is done. It works here.
At least modeling is a therapeutic hobby. I hope things get better for you. :thumbsup:
Regards,
Brian
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bob Wild on August 19, 2015, 10:42:00 pm
That sounds like a real hospital fiasco!

Anyway, I know exactly what you mean about roof problems, having attempted many myself. It is hard enough cutting those narrow strips all exactly the same width, never mind gluing them down evenly. However, I have learnt from experience that it is easier to cut any sections where the instructions tell you to fold. That way you can fit and trim them to the best fit. Any gap is filled by the ridge tiles.

Bob
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 20, 2015, 10:19:24 am
As I'm suffering myself with medical nincompoops your tale has far surpassed my own issues, Mike :o
Is there any way you can access your church to pray for a plague of locusts to hit whichever Medical Trust came up with this nonsense >:D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 20, 2015, 10:54:44 am
I'm thinking of making an official complaint mate.
Might even go to local media with it......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2015, 12:14:49 pm
I think it all boils down to computerised systems.
When a mistake occurs its a dogs dinner to sort out.
Get on the phone and INSIST you speak to someone in authority.
Its the only way.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 20, 2015, 12:21:20 pm
I've done all that.
NHS administrator somewhere up the line says it can't be sorted until 7th Sept - God only knows why!
My practice manager has passed the word back up them that I'll be in hospital with a heart attack before then.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on August 20, 2015, 04:01:05 pm
I've done all that.
NHS administrator somewhere up the line says it can't be sorted until 7th Sept - God only knows why!
My practice manager has passed the word back up them that I'll be in hospital with a heart attack before then.....

Well I for one hope you are wrong on that one, I want to see Wookie Railway completed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 20, 2015, 04:11:46 pm
Well I for one hope you are wrong on that one, I want to see Wookie Railway completed.
I'll second that  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on August 20, 2015, 04:15:15 pm
Well I for one hope you are wrong on that one, I want to see Wookie Railway completed.
I'll second that  :D

Yeah! Me too!

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2015, 06:35:27 pm
Do take care.
I hope it's all sorted very soon for you.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 21, 2015, 07:32:34 pm
Well, I've been assured that the Large Chicken :)-up has now been sorted, and I am back on the Papworth waiting list.....but wait for it..... I am probably at the bottom of the list again.   :'(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Lawrence on August 21, 2015, 09:31:18 pm
Sorry Wookie but I had to chuckle, I was chatting to NPN tonight and he told me about your post, knowing only to well the background of his own dealings with NHS Englandshire this doesn't surprise me in the least, in fact his appointment took so long to come through I gave up phoning him every week to see if he was dead yet!!  I kept trying to persuade him to move to Scotland where he could (a) get dead a lot quicker, or, (b) more likely than not get seen before the government timetable decrees and actually get fixed up.
Unfortunately my impassioned pleas fell on deaf lugs and somehow the old bugger is still alive ( I only know this as he answered the phone tonight), so there you go, either move Wookery to Scotland and get fixed or move to Leyland with NPN and stay alive, somehow  ;)
Either way I hope you get a result before you finish that church  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 21, 2015, 09:40:12 pm
Um....the church is finished Lawrence - see previous page.

Thanks.... I think  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Lawrence on August 22, 2015, 08:36:05 am
Um....the church is finished Lawrence - see previous page.

Thanks.... I think  :D

My mistake Wookie  :-[  hopefully the NHS will now get their collective fingers out and get you sorted pronto  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MinZaPint on August 22, 2015, 02:57:23 pm
Hi Wookie

Skyline'll be looking for a wedding venue (congrats to him by the way  :thumbsup: ) so you might be able to make a few bucks with the first ceremony in your church it certainly looks grand enough!

Cheers   David
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 22, 2015, 03:00:59 pm
My fees are very reasonable  8)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on August 22, 2015, 03:38:09 pm
I'll look forward to seeing you recreate Skyline's hair  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 23, 2015, 05:36:54 pm
Wookery is agog with rumours that work has begun on a series of tunnels designed by the famous Isambard Wookie Brunel. It is said that this complicated work incorporates a unique combination of portals, retaining walls and buttresses, and has been constructed to protect the medieval church which is a focal point for the community's baptisms weddings and funerals. Locals are led to believe that there will be a massive influx of railway enthusiasts (aka anoraks) who will want to see this marvelous creation.
Greasy Sam is hoping that the rumours are true as he has bought a hundredweight of bacon, a thousand bread rolls, two catering size tubs of lard and one bottle of ketchup to feed the masses expected in his cafe. He has been heard to mutter "If that foreman has told me wrong he'll be bricked up in one of those buttresses!"



I thought it was quiet here with Chris away  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on August 23, 2015, 06:50:23 pm
A bacon butty for me but no ketchup please.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on August 23, 2015, 08:34:03 pm
Wookery is agog with rumours that work has begun on a series of tunnels designed by the famous Isambard Wookie Brunel. It is said that this complicated work incorporates a unique combination of portals, retaining walls and buttresses, and has been constructed to protect the medieval church which is a focal point for the community's baptisms weddings and funerals. Locals are led to believe that there will be a massive influx of railway enthusiasts (aka anoraks) who will want to see this marvelous creation.
Greasy Sam is hoping that the rumours are true as he has bought a hundredweight of bacon, a thousand bread rolls, two catering size tubs of lard and one bottle of ketchup to feed the masses expected in his cafe. He has been heard to mutter "If that foreman has told me wrong he'll be bricked up in one of those buttresses!"



I thought it was quiet here with Chris away  :smiley-laughing:

I hope you are not going to consider a bacon buttie from Greasy Sam or you will endanger your health Wookie. :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 23, 2015, 08:42:29 pm
I can assure you that Sam's establishment has a one star rating - Sam himself  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Sprintex on August 23, 2015, 08:52:20 pm
As James Martin likes to say on Saturday Kitchen, "not so much Michelin star, more like Eurostar" :D


Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 23, 2015, 09:20:10 pm
Don't forget you get free extra protein with every bite - flies, cockroaches.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 23, 2015, 09:45:37 pm
A bacon butty for me but no ketchup please.   :thumbsup:

With just one bottle of ketchup for all that nosh I don't think you're in danger of being offered any, Caz :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 25, 2015, 12:59:31 pm
Well, our spy has been down onto the construction site, and it looks like the rumours are true - but don't tell Greasy Sam, we'll wind him up a little longer  :D

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/tunnels.jpg)

Part of the tunnels/retaining walls/butress system has been completed  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Maurits71 on August 25, 2015, 01:36:49 pm
wow, looks brilliant.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on August 25, 2015, 04:02:09 pm
Smashing bit of building - Nice curve!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 25, 2015, 09:41:21 pm
Very nice indeed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 25, 2015, 09:43:45 pm
The engineers are busy building the next section - the whole thing looks quite impressive!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mustermark on August 26, 2015, 01:30:22 am
Nice work there Wookie. Lovely build. Is it Scalescenes brick paper?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 26, 2015, 10:09:16 am
Thanks, yes Scalescenes
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 26, 2015, 08:17:06 pm
I have finished the tunnel portals and walls now, although I might add another angled buttress to the left edge of the double tunnel.
There will be more walls on the nearside.
I don't know if anything was built like this in reality, but I think they look quite dramatic!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/tunnels2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/tunnels3.jpg)

I tried them in situ and they actually fit!!

On the health front the shambles over my NHS number has finally been sorted and I had a phone call from Papworth Hospital this morning - heart scan tomorrow!
Unfortunately I also discovered that it is to be a stress test with MRI scan.
They inject drugs to make my heart beat very fast, which induces the angina and hurts like hell - very scary!
After the one I had in June my condition was much worse, so I am really not looking forward to this.......    :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 26, 2015, 08:38:08 pm
Glad someone somewhere has extracted their digit, Mike. All the best for tomorrow.


They inject drugs to make my heart beat very fast, which induces the angina and hurts like hell - very scary!


I was put on a treadmill with the threat if that didn't work I'd be injected with drugs to speed up my heart. Luckily (or not) the treadmill did the job as soon as it was inclined :doh:

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 26, 2015, 08:46:55 pm
Those portals look really good.
All the very best for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 26, 2015, 08:55:21 pm
I was put on a treadmill with the threat if that didn't work I'd be injected with drugs to speed up my heart. Luckily (or not) the treadmill did the job as soon as it was inclined :doh:

I had that several years ago. I have an abnormally slow heart beat (it's even slower now) and they had to crank it right up to top speed and max angle to get my heart beating fast enough for test. Nearly bloody killed me!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on August 26, 2015, 09:34:29 pm
Good luck with the test.  Hope it's not too painful.

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 26, 2015, 09:55:47 pm
I like the portals. Did Greasy Sam have anything to do with the design? :food:

Good luck tomorrow. I hope all goes well. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 27, 2015, 07:41:32 pm
Well, that was an "interesting" day!
The MRI scanner at Papworth is MUCH smaller than the one in Ipswich - You are inside a tube about two inches bigger than your body
I had been in there 45 minutes having scans, then they pulled me out to inject the drugs that would speed my heart up.
They had just started them, and my chest was tight and hurting and I felt like I was being strangled when BANG everything went black.

They came running in shouting "Don't panic, it's a power cut"

I replied "Thank God for that, I thought I was dead!"

 :smiley-laughing:

The power kept coming on and going off for ages before they finally decided they could power the scanner up, shoot me up again and stick me back in the tunnel......but not before I made bloody sure that they could get me out again FAST if the power went again.

And this is our leading heart hospital!

Oh and when we got home there was a letter to give me an appointment - at Milton Keynes hospital!
I'm not even sure that I want to TRY to sort that one out.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 27, 2015, 09:06:04 pm
Good grief! Not the sort of experience needed when in a worried state :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on August 27, 2015, 09:18:01 pm
Perhaps they wanted to keep you in the dark about things :whistle:

Glad it's all done but aren't you lucky to have the opportunity to have it done again :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on August 28, 2015, 06:23:01 am
Sounds all a bit scary!

Hope they are able to sort you out. Angina is a horrid thing as I know. I'm not a suitable candidate for stents so remain on meds but my last consultant told me folk on meds do as well as those that have had the procedure.

All the best :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on August 28, 2015, 06:42:57 am
Gawd... what a nightmare! Hope it all turns out.

Like the tunnel portals. They do indeed look dramatic... can't wait to see them in situ.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on August 28, 2015, 02:22:52 pm
Well, that was an "interesting" day!

.................................They came running in shouting "Don't panic, it's a power cut"

I replied "Thank God for that, I thought I was dead!"

 :goggleeyes: I think that would have killed me off just hearing the words ''don't panic''
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2015, 02:45:18 pm
Sounds terrifying to me but glad you came through it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2015, 08:23:53 pm
What an awful experience, Mike. Glad you're OK. One of the 'advantages' of corruption is that leading Czech hospitals tend to have the most expensive state-of-the-art equipment (more room to siphon money off) so when I had my full body scan, recently, in the Prague military hospital (one of the best), it was a very big machine not a small one.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on August 29, 2015, 04:11:49 pm
it was a very big machine not a small one.

 :-[  :-[ Ive always been told that size isn't important it what you can do with it that counts
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 29, 2015, 04:45:17 pm
As Papworth is the UK's leading heart hospital, I would imagine that the tube is small in order to get the photographic gear as close to your heart as possible. The machine itself is enormous.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2015, 04:54:32 pm
Good point, Mike. They were not scanning my heart (which is fine) but my ear, nose, throat and chest.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 29, 2015, 04:57:17 pm
Ah yes I had that years ago at Ipswich hospital - same big machine, big wide tunnel, I didn't find it at all claustrophobic  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2015, 06:54:22 pm
Ah yes I had that years ago at Ipswich hospital - same big machine, big wide tunnel, I didn't find it at all claustrophobic  :D

Me neither, Mike; I had my eyes closed all the time! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 29, 2015, 07:52:40 pm
Back on topic....

Like the tunnel portals. They do indeed look dramatic... can't wait to see them in situ.  :thumbsup:

If it rains tomorrow and we can't take the dog out, I might get all the tunnels and walls fixed in place as I finished the facing wall today....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 29, 2015, 07:56:45 pm
Glad to hear that you are well enough to get back to work (or take the dog out).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 29, 2015, 08:05:47 pm
It would be a very slow walk with the dog, and the modelling helps to take my mind off things  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 02, 2015, 10:19:16 am
I realised after I posted that I can't fix the tunnels and walls in place yet as I need a few more bits of cork to cover those areas of the board.
It's not worth buying a new pack as I have some bits in the clubhouse that will do the job, so I'll bring them home Thursday night.

In the meantime I got on with building the front corner section.........

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/corner1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/corner2.jpg)

The colours are much better than this in reality!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 02, 2015, 01:32:27 pm
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 11, 2015, 04:35:38 pm
I've spent the last couple of days making a start on a small terrace of alms houses to sit beside my church.
I think the mix of different coloured rendering should look quite cute.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/alms1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/alms2.jpg)

I built a couple of terraces of them for my back scene, but only in low relief - they are much more complicated in full build, with gables to the rear.

On the health front things seem to be deteriorating - chest pain, trouble breathing and feeling faint seem to be the norm now.
I'm now entering a really busy period, operating a club layout at TINGS on Sunday, then two shows with my trees next weekend, and another the week after.
Then I get to see the heart specialist on the 28th. Hopefully I'll make it to see him  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2015, 06:04:34 pm
Very sorry to read about your health problems, Mike. I do hope that, after the visit to the heart specialist they will be able to advise some suitable treatment to improve your health. Until then, you should try to take plenty of rest despite your busy period

The almshouses are coming along very nicely and I look forward to seeing the finished versions in due course.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 11, 2015, 09:20:28 pm
Very sorry to read about your health problems, Mike. I do hope that, after the visit to the heart specialist they will be able to advise some suitable treatment to improve your health. Until then, you should try to take plenty of rest despite your busy period

The almshouses are coming along very nicely and I look forward to seeing the finished versions in due course.

Ditto everything Chris said.
Is that the dreaded linoleum on the floors? We used to have that everywhere in our early houses.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on September 12, 2015, 07:04:02 am
All the best re specialist and for TINGS but please do take it easy. No pressure or stress should be the order of the day(s).

Houses look really very good indeed. How do you plan to finish the windows and doors?

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Maurits71 on September 12, 2015, 08:19:20 am
take care mister.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2015, 09:17:09 am
Thanks everybody for your good wishes.

How do you plan to finish the windows and doors?

Windows are printed out on overhead projector transparencies Dave, I've fitted them now.
Doors just fit into the openings.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on September 12, 2015, 11:53:36 am
I wish you luck at Tings and or course also on the 28th.
Just take things easily and adjust your lifestyle to suit your health.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2015, 02:28:29 pm
If I did that at the moment Jon I'd do bu**er all  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on September 12, 2015, 04:45:44 pm
If I did that at the moment Jon I'd do bu**er all  :(
Oh I know that feeling :( but try and struggle through it
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 18, 2015, 03:18:11 pm
Off topic I know, but my entire watch list on ebay has disappeared!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 18, 2015, 05:29:42 pm

Well, we are all loaded up ready for our first two shows with the trees and stuff this weekend.
First the three displays in their cases went in.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/car1.jpg)

Then everything else.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/car2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/car3.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/car4.jpg)

I do so love Volvo estates !! :smiley-laughing:
Incredibly we got everything in that needs to go, and we couldn't have fitted a fag paper in the space left  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 18, 2015, 06:14:35 pm
That is certainly a good car load.
Take care and hope it all goes well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 18, 2015, 07:31:27 pm

Take care and hope it all goes well.

Seconded, Mike. Safe journeys and lots of profitable sales!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on September 18, 2015, 09:06:35 pm

Take care and hope it all goes well.

Seconded, Mike. Safe journeys and lots of profitable sales!

And me too. Good luck :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 18, 2015, 09:31:50 pm
Thanks guys, I'm really loking forward to it  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 19, 2015, 07:35:14 pm
Did you end up driving with your knees round your earholes, Mike :goggleeyes:
Just as well you're male :-X
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 19, 2015, 09:41:53 pm
We had a great day at Shenfield. Didn't take quite as much as I hoped, but it was a good first time and a learning curve.
As a late thought I bagged up a load of cows horses sheep people etc into small quantities. Thought maybe I was wasting my time - sold the bloody lot!
Didn't sell many trees, but there was a lot of interest, and the lights sold a few.
Too tired to post pictures now, off to bed as up at crack of somewhat tomorrow for our next trip - the show at Needham Market!

Oh and I picked up a mint condition Pullman parlour car for £8. What a bargain!
I know they weren't really WR 1965 but RULE ONE!!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on September 19, 2015, 10:06:32 pm
Glad you had a good first outing. Well done! :thumbsup:
Any chance of getting anything on line so that we can see what you've got and possibly buy?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 19, 2015, 10:11:01 pm
We had SO MANY people ask if we have a website, I think it will have to come..............
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 19, 2015, 10:42:48 pm
We had a great day at Shenfield. Didn't take quite as much as I hoped, but it was a good first time and a learning curve.
As a late thought I bagged up a load of cows horses sheep people etc into small quantities. Thought maybe I was wasting my time - sold the bloody lot!
Didn't sell many trees, but there was a lot of interest, and the lights sold a few.
Too tired to post pictures now, off to bed as up at crack of somewhat tomorrow for our next trip - the show at Needham Market!

Oh and I picked up a mint condition Pullman parlour car for £8. What a bargain!
I know they weren't really WR 1965 but RULE ONE!!

The WR did run the original Pullman coaches (like the old Graham Farish ones) but not the newer ones based on the Mark 1 bodyshell. Very glad for you that the shop went well. I hope tomorrow will be very successful, too. take care.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 20, 2015, 08:24:48 pm
Thanks Chris. Oh well it will have to be a "special" coach attached to a string of mk1s then :)
Today was quieter, but I made lots of good and interesting contacts......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 20, 2015, 08:29:30 pm
Very glad that it went well, Mike. Later on when some of the Mark 1 Pullmans had been declassified and repainted in BR Blue and Grey and used as FOs, at least one was used on the WR in express trains.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Northman on September 20, 2015, 10:10:19 pm
I'm sure I am not the only forum member who needs more animals to 'populate' a layout.  Will you  or can you post some pics and prices in the N'Emporium?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 22, 2015, 05:24:31 pm
As promised, a couple of pics of our stall at the Needham Market show.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/needham1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/needham2.jpg)

Northman, we're practically out of the animals now, but I'll try to do something once we have restocked.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2015, 05:35:42 pm
Thanks, Mike. Those are very good photos. of an impressive range of excellent looking products.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on September 22, 2015, 09:34:19 pm
I'm interested in the trees on the left hand side of the table, the deciduous ones and also some platform lamps GWR style. And animals when you get your breeding program sorted out. :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 22, 2015, 09:38:43 pm
I, too, would be interested in some cows as I reckon the ones I have are undersize :doh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on September 22, 2015, 10:24:20 pm
I, too, would be interested in some cows as I reckon the ones I have are undersize :doh:

May be they're Dexters, :hmmm: now a rare breed.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 23, 2015, 07:42:01 am
Alas I have already ordered my station lamps from China, via eBay.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on September 23, 2015, 02:23:02 pm
Obviously being in Spain I can't attend exhibitions in the UK but I'm very impressed by the display of your wares!
Displayed so that you can see what they are, a description, how you might use them and the price there without
having to ask.  You are obviously a master in sales and marketing.

Three things I miss about the UK:  Model Railway exhibitions and shops,  the scooter scene and my twice weekly boxercise classes.

Well you can't have everything.   This morning I built some low block walls and then rendered them with the temperature at about 25 degrees

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 23, 2015, 06:38:04 pm
Thanks Dave
I'm trying to take a professional approach.
I've spent the day (in considerably lower temperatures) painting figures.
I'm thinking that some uniquely painted people could be popular.
The shepherd with his sheepdog and some sheep looks pretty good  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on September 24, 2015, 08:30:44 pm
I will have to have a shepherd, a sheepdog (border collie?) and sheep as I've got two border collies and some moorland on my layout.

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 24, 2015, 09:19:25 pm
Sadly the shepherd and dog (an Alsatian) are OO gauge - I can't get them in N  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2015, 09:27:51 pm
Sadly the shepherd and dog (an Alsatian) are OO gauge - I can't get them in N  :(

There are several German N Scale figure sets (Noch made one) of shepherd, sheepdog, and sheep and one British (Merit) one, too. I have both.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 06, 2015, 11:34:23 am
Birthday today - I have the family well trained :)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/birthday.jpg)

Trained - geddit?   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on October 06, 2015, 11:38:41 am


Trained - geddit?   :smiley-laughing:
:doh: Oh dear oh dear but have a great day and enjoy thingies  :thumbsup:  :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 06, 2015, 11:41:19 am
Happy Birthday and congratulations on some nice cards and gifts! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on October 06, 2015, 12:08:04 pm
Have a great day Wookie, looks like you've got a nice little selection there to add to the layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: mika on October 06, 2015, 02:03:50 pm
Have a great birthday and lots of fun with your new goodies!

Michael
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 06, 2015, 02:36:38 pm
Have a great birthday
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 06, 2015, 02:56:08 pm
Happy Birthday, Mike :beers:
Nice collection but methinks the station posters are a little out of scale ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 06, 2015, 03:45:53 pm
Some people take these things too far hahahaaha

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on October 06, 2015, 03:52:20 pm
Some people take these things too far hahahaaha

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cake.jpg[/url])

 :o :-\  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Well at least its a kettle
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 06, 2015, 04:10:52 pm
Perfect! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 06, 2015, 07:32:03 pm
:o :-\  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Well at least its a kettle

No, its a cake  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on October 06, 2015, 08:44:40 pm
Kettle or cake have a good birthday. :foodanddrink:
Now you'll have to seriously MOT the new additions.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 06, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Presumably a candle for each decade then :P :-X
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on October 06, 2015, 11:31:59 pm
Some people take these things too far hahahaaha

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cake.jpg[/url])


Happy birthday Mike, I like the cake.

Particularly the train with candles - my parents had exactly the same candle holders when I was a child, it also came out for the Christmas cake for some reason, so brings back a lot of memories from 40 plus years ago...
My father probably has them stowed away safely in his side-board at home, he rarely throws anything away. His house is probably quite a mine of interesting artefacts!

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: railsquid on October 07, 2015, 02:30:00 am
Yeah, pretty sure I had those candleholders too, they certainly look familiar.

Surely in this day and age one could have a little T gauge train running around the top of the cake?

Anyway happy birthday :toot:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Trainfish on October 07, 2015, 02:50:50 am
I had some too! I bet my mum still has them  :o

Happy Birthday Wookie :food:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on October 07, 2015, 12:50:54 pm
A belated Happy Birthday Wookie - hope you had a great time.

Best wishes,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 19, 2015, 05:21:51 pm
At last a little progress, I finally finished the Alms houses...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cottage1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cottage2.jpg)

I didn't like where the gables joined the main roof, so I added some lead gullies, which I think are OK.
I also added some Peedie Models chimney pots, and they seem to be a nice finishing touch.

No news on the health front - I STILL haven't heard the results of the Papworth MRI scan at the end of August!
I have to go into hospital on Thursday for the day to have another angiogram.
Despite what they tell you, it ****** hurts! I think it's pointless as I had one 18 months ago and it was clear. I eat healthily so I can't see how any crud can have accumulated in my arteries  :(

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 19, 2015, 09:05:45 pm

I have to go into hospital on Thursday for the day to have another angiogram.
Despite what they tell you, it ****** hurts! I think it's pointless as I had one 18 months ago and it was clear. I eat healthily so I can't see how any crud can have accumulated in my arteries  :(

Having had an angiogram very recently, I experienced no pain apart from slight bruising but they went in through my wrist and gave me some sort of 'happy juice' which, in effect, knocked me out for the timespan so I never did see what they were looking at. Of course, they didn't tell me about the wrist so I duly shaved the requisite area, meaning I'll be scratching a certain region for the next couple of weeks or so :-[
Would they do yours via the wrist, Mike?

Oh - the alms houses look fine to me but could maybe do with some better looking front doors :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 19, 2015, 09:11:04 pm
Oh - the alms houses look fine to me but could maybe do with some better looking front doors :hmmm:

Church buildings mate, they are not allowed to change anything  :smiley-laughing:

I had my last angio through the wrist mate - it didn't hurt where they made the cut but hurt like *******  further up the arm where they shoved the wire up the artery.
Several others I know experienced the same thing. They are hoping to go in through the wrist again, but can't guarantee it.....I have my razor ready  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 19, 2015, 09:14:26 pm
Sounds like they are using a thicker gauge wire than my lot or maybe not lubricated the camera end enough :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2015, 10:00:26 pm
I do hope all goes well, Mike. I had my first monthly post-operation check-up at the hospital, this morning, and all continues to be well. I will have the next check-up in a month's time. I still don't like having the various metal instruments stuck up my nose for the inspection but it hurts slightly less than it did so you have my full sympathy as what you have to go through sounds far worse!

The almshouses do look very good but I'd replace the doors. A two layered cardboard door will enable you to have the 3D effect of inset panels.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 23, 2015, 07:13:38 pm
Angiogram went reasonably well, it just took them their usual four attempts to get a canula into me!
Good news is that heart is good, all tests (incl MRI) are clear, apart from a couple of  small blockage in one artery, and they are pretty sure these are not causing my problems.

Bad news is that they think I have asthma  :(
I'm certainly finding it harder and harder to breath........
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 23, 2015, 07:23:10 pm
Seems like one step forward and two back Mike although it's very good news that the heart is OK.
Hopefully the asthma is treatable. Once that's under control, I'm sure you will start to feel better.
Martin
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 23, 2015, 09:21:06 pm
Very pleased to hear all is well heart-wise, Mike, and hope they can sort out your breathing soon :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 24, 2015, 01:15:47 pm
I second Nobby's and Martin's wishes for your health, Mike, too.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on October 24, 2015, 06:24:39 pm
And I third it! Best wishes. And remember, breathing in short pants can be difficult :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on October 26, 2015, 02:58:16 pm
And I third it! Best wishes. And remember, breathing in short pants can be difficult :D
............................................and my best wishes also
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 31, 2015, 06:53:06 pm
My wife and I attended my club open day today with our Wookery Nook Scenics display.
We had quite a good day, our fourth show, and we are getting lots of interest.

I picked up this lovely little gem for my layout:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/hotdogs.jpg)

It should look very at home parked up in amongst my industrial estate.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2015, 06:55:03 pm
Glad you had a good day.
That hot dog stall looks the part and should look good on the layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 31, 2015, 07:05:10 pm
My wife and I attended my club open day today with our Wookery Nook Scenics display.
We had quite a good day, our fourth show, and we are getting lots of interest.

I picked up this lovely little gem for my layout:

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/hotdogs.jpg[/url])

It should look very at home parked up in amongst my industrial estate.


Very nice indeed, Mike, I'm tempted to buy one, myself. Glad the show was a success for you.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 31, 2015, 07:08:49 pm
I hadn't seen it before. I think it is charming :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 11, 2015, 07:22:01 pm
I've decided to rip up the cardboard platforms that I built on Wookery. Having overwintered in  our summerhouse last winter, I think the slight damp has gotten to them and they have gone a bit lumpy and bubbly. I'm not at all sure about fitting platform lamposts through them anyway, so I am reverting to the  original ratio platforms that I had in the first place!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 17, 2015, 03:18:46 pm
Well, decision made, I have been getting on with it.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/platformold.jpg)

These are the platforms as they were.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/platformgone.jpg)

Both platforms demolished and debris cleared ready for new build.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/platformnew.jpg)

And finally here are the new ones ready to go in - you have to click on the pic to view it correctly as it is squashed up. Ratio kits, slight kitbashed, then painted, quite heavily weathered and gas lamps installed. I'm pleased I made the decision to alter them, as on a plastic platform the lamp posts are in a perfectly straight line, and perfectly vertical - I would never have been able to achieve that on the cardboard platform with uneven surfaces, and it would have looked a mess! Each lamp post will have a "Wookery" totem affixed either side. I have them printed ready, just have to do the fiddly cutting out.

It's the first bit of building I've been able to get on with, as I have been so busy taking photos and building the business website.
Our next outing is to Letchworth on the 28th, then we are fixtureless until next February. It has been very difficult to get bookings at shows as so many of them are a "closed shop".
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on November 17, 2015, 03:59:02 pm
Getting rid of the cardboard ones seems a good idea, much flatter, must admit it is something I need to do on Claywell as despite putting in lots of cross and diagonal cross braces the cardboard platform has lots of little dips in it and needs sorting.  Another job on the "to do" list.   :worried:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on November 17, 2015, 04:48:45 pm
Caz & wookery I know what you mean about those cardboard platforms. I made some for the last layout which were curved, the new layout has straight platforms. Looking at them mine were all bumpy and un even, must be the varible temprature in my loft which has affected them. I have bought some peco platform edgings this time stone and brick plus I had a few bits from a very old layout,I think  will top them with scribedd plastic/styrene sheet.
The layout is looking good wookery keepup the good work.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on November 17, 2015, 07:16:06 pm
Great to hear the health news Wookie but disappointing re the asthma. There are some good pffers n stuff to help control your breathing these days. Good luck with that.

I bought a 20"x30" sheet of fairly heavy grey card from an art shop that has let me build a pretty acceptable long-ish platform.

Not wanting to hijack Wookie's thread  - no photo but if anyone is interested happy to post one - somewhere.  :)

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 17, 2015, 07:23:06 pm
Yes I think if you are building in card then the platform top at least has to be pretty heavy duty card.
If I wasn't putting lamp posts in, just buildings, I would have left it how it was.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 17, 2015, 07:26:10 pm
Great to hear the health news Wookie but disappointing re the asthma. There are some good pffers n stuff to help control your breathing these days. Good luck with that.

I bought a 20"x30" sheet of fairly heavy grey card from an art shop that has let me build a pretty acceptable long-ish platform.

Not wanting to hijack Wookie's thread  - no photo but if anyone is interested happy to post one - somewhere.  :)

Dave G

Hi Dave, was it Dahler board? I have been recommended to use that for the platform surface. (The sides are plastic Peco ones and the platform is cut and shaped balsa wood but it is thinner than the actual platform will be so that the Peco sides are tight fit onto it.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on November 18, 2015, 06:55:07 am
Yes, Dahler or very similar, Chris.

Really very easy to insert reinforcing/bracing strips between the front and rear walls.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2015, 07:07:04 am
Thanks, Dave.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on November 18, 2015, 04:12:39 pm
If I remember correctly Dahler board is used for oil paintings, I am using some mounting card which is used for mounting photographs. A friend who is into photography gave me a lot of offcuts which have come in handy and were for free,hence cheap scenery.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on November 18, 2015, 06:38:12 pm
I think there are various types. The stuff I used was a mounting type board rather than one for painting.

Back on topic from here on!  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2015, 02:16:01 pm
GRRRRRRRRRRR

Get it all wired up:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/frustration.jpg)

Then find there is a faulty one!
Ity'a just like doing the ******** Christmas tree lightS!  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Tdm on November 19, 2015, 02:19:05 pm
GRRRRRRRRRRR
Get it all wired up:
([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/frustration.jpg[/url])
Then find there is a faulty one!
Ity'a just like doing the ******** Christmas tree lightS!  :veryangry:


I have a set of those station lamps and have had them go on me too.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2015, 02:22:13 pm
I think I also have the same lights, from China, but have ordered more than I think I will need. So, I should have a  spare or two. I will get them tested before installation.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2015, 02:30:29 pm
Didn't take long to sort it, all done now  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2015, 02:50:50 pm
It's been a frustrating day all round really.
I finally managed to get a maroon Warship off of eBay - DCC ready, brand new ex boxed set, good price.

Big box arrived and I thought "uh-oh".

Opened to up - OO Gauge grrrrrrr

Listed in N gauge category

So now off out to Post Office to send it back  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2015, 02:55:26 pm
It's been a frustrating day all round really.
I finally managed to get a maroon Warship off of eBay - DCC ready, brand new ex boxed set, good price.

Big box arrived and I thought "uh-oh".

Opened to up - OO Gauge grrrrrrr

Listed in N gauge category

So now off out to Post Office to send it back  :(

Alas, Mike. That sometimes happens. I bought an 00 Gauge Lima GUV that way, too, a while ago, and had to post it back to get my refund. I hope you'll be able to get a Maroon Class 42 soon, in the right gauge!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 19, 2015, 03:03:20 pm
Did Farish ever do a maroon Warship DCC ready in a boxed set? ???
I know they do the green DCC fitted one as I almost managed to snaffle the rolling stock but the cost was prohibitive >:(
Of course, it would have reverted to DC as I don't do this new-fangled digital wizardry :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2015, 03:37:33 pm
On refection Nobby, I don't think that they do.
I was probably thinking of the green one too.
That's the Cornish Riviera Express isn't it?
I got the coaches out of one of those when somebody split one.
I think I've had a set of iron ore wagons out of another split set too
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on November 19, 2015, 04:54:42 pm
On refection Nobby, I don't think that they do.
I was probably thinking of the green one too.
That's the Cornish Riviera Express isn't it?
I got the coaches out of one of those when somebody split one.
I think I've had a set of iron ore wagons out of another split set too

I ended up buying the whole set as I wanted the plain green Warship and didn't mind having two more chocolate/cream coaches.  Since the cost of the set was not much more than the cost of a loco and two coaches I thought it was a shrewd move.  At some point I should sell the DCC controller as I'm never going to use it.

Funnily enough I also ended up buying some iron ore wagons split from a set and later I bought the Class 08 (green with wasp stripes) split from the same set.  I have a feeling that buying the set in the first place would have been cheaper!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2015, 05:15:00 pm
I also have the pair of WR coaches from that set (as will Brian) and I've also bought  the Class 08 (green with wasp stripes) split from a set (it should, now, be at Wickness for DCC fitting).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 30, 2015, 11:55:46 am
Okay, well, moving on....the new station platforms are ready to go in now.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newstation1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newstation2.jpg)

Here they are, stood in place with the relevant buildings etc placed on them.
Nothing is glued down yet, so those annoying gaps will be gone when it is all fixed down.
Yes Mick, I have noticed the wonky leg on the footbridge, and it is straightened out now!  :D
I have GWR spear fencing to fit along the roadside edge of the platform.

I had my first running session yesterday for 6 months, and great fun it was too!  :bounce:
It was great to see the Blue Pullman running again.
I had one or two issues with a dodgy point and a dead section of rail after all the ballasting and weathering, but they are sorted out now - greatly assisted by my latest purchase, a multimeter.
Had a good day at Letchworth on Saturday with our lights and trees, and have finally got a good chunk of the Wookery Nook Scenics website up and running at last!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 30, 2015, 12:15:13 pm
Thanks for the update, Mike. the new platforms look very good. Glad to read that you've been able to run some trains, again, and that you had a good day at Letchworth with your lights and trees, and have finally got your Wookery Nook Scenics Website up.

If I remember correctly, your layout is set in the Bristol area so you might want to send a special train or two 'down to Cornwall' at Christmas for the special trains?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 30, 2015, 01:36:00 pm

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newstation2.jpg[/url])

Yes Mick, I have noticed the wonky leg on the footbridge, and it is straightened out now!  :D



TBH I'm not sure I'd have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out, Mike :no: :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 30, 2015, 05:08:47 pm
Looking good .
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on November 30, 2015, 06:58:52 pm
Just had a quick look at your new site, looks good. But what did I read on your home page, NO overseas postage. What are us poor overseas souls to do? :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 30, 2015, 08:01:53 pm
Just had a quick look at your new site, looks good. But what did I read on your home page, NO overseas postage. What are us poor overseas souls to do? :(

As long as parcels are sent by Recorded Delivery Airmail there should not be a problem, I would have thought. (Both John and Martin have posted to me.)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on November 30, 2015, 10:57:34 pm
Looking good there, the station platforms look a lot better than the card ones. Where did you get the platform lights from, I am thinking ahead for my station now, I have just started on the platforms.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 01, 2015, 11:54:25 am
Mito, I can only set one standard shipping cost on the Paypal shopping cart, hence the UK only postage I'm afraid.
I could sort something out and send an individual invoice I guess for overseas, hadn't really thought about it to be honest.

Lil Chris, they are from our own stock range  :D

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 01, 2015, 05:18:56 pm
Mito, I can only set one standard shipping cost on the Paypal shopping cart, hence the UK only postage I'm afraid.
I could sort something out and send an individual invoice I guess for overseas, hadn't really thought about it to be honest.

Lil Chris, they are from our own stock range  :D

I understand, Mike. Perhaps you can do what the NGS does and have overseas postage (EU and non-EU) as a separate, additional item?

BR,
Chris
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on December 01, 2015, 05:31:18 pm
Mito, I can only set one standard shipping cost on the Paypal shopping cart, hence the UK only postage I'm afraid.
I could sort something out and send an individual invoice I guess for overseas, hadn't really thought about it to be honest.

Lil Chris, they are from our own stock range  :D

Don't worry, when I need trees I'll send you a PM and we'll sort something out. I'd prefer to buy from you and keep it in the forum :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 03, 2015, 10:49:38 pm
Regular readers will recall that, although my layout is based in the outskirts of Bristol in 1965, I saw the Midland Pullman and fell in love with it - and just HAD to have one!
I got round it by adding into my storyline that Bristol City had been drawn against Aston Villa in the FA cup, and the AVFC board have chartered the BP to carry the directors, players, staff and guests to the match.

All good so far  :thumbsup:

There is a problem. I have now seen "The Royal Alex" for the first time in Pullman livery, coupled with a string of mk1 Pullman coaches.
Another beautiful train  :(

STOP PRESS Bristol Rovers have managed to fight their way through a replay and have been drawn at home to......um....Southampton  :smiley-laughing:

I've just got to have one  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 04, 2015, 05:21:13 am
Regular readers will recall that, although my layout is based in the outskirts of Bristol in 1965, I saw the Midland Pullman and fell in love with it - and just HAD to have one!
I got round it by adding into my storyline that Bristol City had been drawn against Aston Villa in the FA cup, and the AVFC board have chartered the BP to carry the directors, players, staff and guests to the match.

All good so far  :thumbsup:

There is a problem. I have now seen "The Royal Alex" for the first time in Pullman livery, coupled with a string of mk1 Pullman coaches.
Another beautiful train  :(

STOP PRESS Bristol Rovers have managed to fight their way through a replay and have been drawn at home to......um....Southampton  :smiley-laughing:

I've just got to have one  :D

Absolutely, Mike! Never forget the power of Rule One! 8-)

Alas, I think it's 650bhp auxiliary diesel engine would overheat long before it reached North Cornwall! 8-(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on December 04, 2015, 06:24:50 am
I don't blame you, Wookie! I have the Royal Alex on pre-order with those folk in Arundle.

Originally expected Q4 this year, the latest ETA I have is January 2016.

I may have a loop all wired up and ready for the inaugural run by then!

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 04, 2015, 06:49:57 am
Bristol City were played Leeds in the FA Cup in (I think 1974). Drew 1-1 at Home and WON 1-0 at Elland Road when Leeds were champions and unbeaten for ages. A mighty victory.
As a massive City fan I was there and travelled on one of several special train.
However, one of those special trains was the "Chariman's Special" made up of a Blue Pullman although I'm not sure if it was a western or midland one.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 04, 2015, 09:28:14 am
OK, you've all convinced me  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 04, 2015, 10:26:13 am
I had actually seen one on eBay - presumably a pre-production sample.
I didn't realise it is an up and coming new issue and assumed I would have to scour the secondhand market!
Thanks for the info Dave, I have now placed my pre-order - never done that before.
Very reasonably priced, I thought. The one on eBay made a higher price :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on December 05, 2015, 03:00:06 pm
I don't blame you, Wookie! I have the Royal Alex on pre-order with those folk in Arundle.

Originally expected Q4 this year, the latest ETA I have is January 2016.

I may have a loop all wired up and ready for the inaugural run by then!

Dave G
I ordered both locos when they first started taking orders Theres only 150 of each version being produced so get your orders in quick.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 05, 2015, 04:23:29 pm
I had another nice running session this afternoon, having thoroughly cleaned a bit more track.

Here we have a couple of very busy scenes from Wookery station

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/busy1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/busy2.jpg)

A steamer and autocoach have just arrived at platform 1 on the preserved GWR branchline, whilst the GWR railcar on platform 2 is about to depart.
Across the platform the railcar's more modern successor, a pair of class 121 bubblecars, are also about to leave on the other (BR) branch line.
Meanwhile a dirty old Western shuffles through on the down mainline, pulling a mixed freight load, crossing the sleek Midland Puillman special charter thundering through on the up line.

I've also finished another little bit of building work.....
I had an awkward bit of scenery structure next to the church and alms houses to cover up.
It can't be permanently in place as this section has to move to clean the rails below/retrieve stalled or derailed locos.
So I have built this derelict pair of cottages to just stand in place:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/ruin1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/ruin2.jpg)

I'm quite proud of it, as it is built entirely of unused spare sections of scalescenes cottages.
Each kit comes with a load of variations, so they get printed but not used.
The result is an unmodernised pair of two up, two down houses that have fallen on hard times and also suffered a fire in the roof.
Consequently all the doors and windows are covered with corrugated iron, pending demolition.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2015, 04:26:37 pm
Mito, I can only set one standard shipping cost on the Paypal shopping cart, hence the UK only postage I'm afraid.
I could sort something out and send an individual invoice I guess for overseas, hadn't really thought about it to be honest.

Lil Chris, they are from our own stock range  :D
I did not know about the shop but I can not see the lights in there now I have found it.?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 05, 2015, 04:39:58 pm
I did not know about the shop but I can not see the lights in there now I have found it.?

Are you talking about our website, or the bits we list on eBay?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2015, 04:50:01 pm
Very nice work, Mike. I hope that you're going to fit a Perspex barrier to the front of your layout though, to prevent any derailed trains plunging off the edge!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 05, 2015, 05:02:30 pm
I already have Chris, but I took it off for the photos.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2015, 05:34:22 pm
I already have Chris, but I took it off for the photos.

Very glad to read that, Mike. I wasn't sure whether you had had one or not but thought it better to mention it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 05, 2015, 06:28:41 pm
Yes I had a disaster the first time I ran my Blue Pullman and it crashed off the table, so I hastily dashed out and spent eighty quid on perspex to go all the way round!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2015, 12:18:53 pm
I'm a bit confused (doesn't take much) as there is another 37 listed on evilbay now for the Brighton Evening Argos.
Do I take it the Royal Alex that is coming out soon isn't the first 37 in Pullman colours?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2015, 01:01:57 pm
Hi Mike, I believe 73 101 (also renumbered 73 100 for a time) carried both names: Brighton Evening Argus, The Royal Alex, in Pullman livery.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2015, 04:12:19 pm
Yes but when did Dapol issue them?
The guy selling them has 37s in all sorts of liveries....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2015, 04:17:34 pm
Furthermore, I'm glad I didn't buy the Royal Alex that he sold last week, as the buyer left this feedback for him: Not new,various damage,eBay going to refund in 10 days,seller wont pay post cost
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2015, 04:56:42 pm
I am sorry, Mike, I have no idea when Dapol issued them, or even if someone else issued them under their own brand name? (I had not even known that there had been any Pullman livery Class 73s produced in N Gauge.) I'm sure that there must be at least one far more knowledgeable member on the NGF?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on December 06, 2015, 05:08:16 pm
Yes but when did Dapol issue them?
The guy selling them has 37s in all sorts of liveries....


This may be of interest, Wookie

http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php/dapol/loco-dap-electric/38-dapol-73 (http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php/dapol/loco-dap-electric/38-dapol-73)

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 06, 2015, 05:30:23 pm
Wow that's a really interesting site, I didn't even know it existed!
So these 73s were issued 10 years ago!

Thanks Dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 06, 2015, 06:04:03 pm
Wow that's a really interesting site, I didn't even know it existed!
So these 73s were issued 10 years ago!

Thanks Dave  :thumbsup:

Seconded! Fascinating indeed. Many thanks, also, Dave.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 07, 2015, 07:24:44 pm
I've been messing about today, seeing just what I can achieve with the new fiddle yard layout.
Considering that it isn't a conventional one, where you run the trains out and they do a lap and then return to the same lane in the fiddle, it is actually quite versatile.
I have to remove one coach from the Blue Pullman so that it will fit in the siding, but I can run 5 decent length trains, a 2 car 121 DMU, a GWR railcar, a steamer and autocoach, and 2 shunters in the goods yard. All can be accessed for use. I think I could possibly add one or two more short trains in and still be able to get to them all - only because it is DCC of course! I certainly want to be able to run another steamer and B set so that I can make use of the run round loop and hidden magnets in the station. I think that lot should give enough operational interest for an exhibition!
Admitedly the trains are only an engine and 4 coaches, which is a little disappointing as I love to see an engine with 10 or 12 in tow, but on a small layout like this I think a long long train would look a little silly. If I ever get to the stage of building more modules to make it a much bigger layout maybe long trains will be possible.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle1.jpg) (http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle2.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 07, 2015, 07:27:00 pm
....and I've just spotted where I can store another long train! hahahaha
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 07, 2015, 09:21:39 pm
What size points are you using in the fiddle yard, Mike? The Peco small points may give you enough to put the 6th coach back in the BP set and everything will run OK through them as they are 12" radius :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 07, 2015, 09:30:27 pm
Everything is medium electrofrog mate, and I don't want to start mixing them.....
I worked out that I could actually move the points over to extend the siding for the BP, but it would involve pulling up a fair bit of the yard, and then the space where the freight train is stored will be much shorter, so I decided it wasn't worth it.
Looking at the photos have given me another idea that I will check out tomorrow though  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 07, 2015, 09:42:51 pm
I hope you have a plan so cunning you could put whiskers on it and call it a fox :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 08, 2015, 01:42:04 pm
I managed to fit two more trains onto the fiddle yard, and can still get them all out, albeit a bit of juggling to get the centre one on the left out  :D

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle3.jpg)

This means I can run six decent-length trains and one short one, plus the DMU. railcar, autocoach and shunters.

Not bad without a conventional fiddle yard!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 08, 2015, 05:42:35 pm
That's excellent, Mike. Well done for figuring that out. :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 08, 2015, 06:36:49 pm
There's one big problem Chris - well one big one and a slightly lesser one.
When the lanes are full it's very hard to get to some of the points, which are all manual. Once the high level street is added above it all, it will be impossible!
So...it looks like I will have to motorise all the points, which will be a) expensive and b) difficult to do.  There are a LOT of points back there, and they are all VERY close together.
Wire in tube would be a good way of doing it as they are all at the back of the layout, but the control boxes for points on the viewing side are in the way.
So it's thinking cap time!

The lesser point is that the lanes are very close together when it comes to loading it up with rolling stock. My clumsy fat fingers found it quite tricky.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: ColinH on December 08, 2015, 07:19:17 pm
There's one big problem Chris - well one big one and a slightly lesser one.
When the lanes are full it's very hard to get to some of the points, which are all manual. Once the high level street is added above it all, it will be impossible!
So...it looks like I will have to motorise all the points, which will be a) expensive and b) difficult to do.  There are a LOT of points back there, and they are all VERY close together.
Wire in tube would be a good way of doing it as they are all at the back of the layout, but the control boxes for points on the viewing side are in the way.
So it's thinking cap time!

The lesser point is that the lanes are very close together when it comes to loading it up with rolling stock. My clumsy fat fingers found it quite tricky.

Not really thought this through but ..... would it be possible to fit some sort of rigid vertical dropper from the points and put the horizontal control rods below the control boxes?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 08, 2015, 07:24:03 pm
I think that's a bit beyond my engineering skills mate
Even wire in tube would have really been pushing it!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on December 08, 2015, 09:08:00 pm
Wire in tube is not difficult. As always it depends on the sophistication you want. DIY is the cheapest or use Mercontrol components. As already suggested a rigid connection, I've used code 80 track. It is simple with a right angle bend up through the baseboard with the end filed to fit through the hole in the tie-bar and fix a cork or wooden bead on the end for something to hold.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2015, 09:44:14 pm
If you have drilled holes under the tie bars of the points you could do wire in the tube or motorise just some of them, prefferably the points hardest to get too. I made my lanes a lot wider apart than yours and I have smallish hands but I can hopefully get to them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 08, 2015, 09:59:13 pm
Electric motors are not that bad.
I did it on Port Perran and dreaded it but it worked (18 points) and I learned a lot from doing it.
If I can manage it anyone can.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 08, 2015, 10:12:08 pm
Oh I've done loads of them PP, all the station and goods yard ones have motors, and even have LEDs in the control panels to show how the points are set as they are not visible from operating area.
But there are a hell of a lot (19, I just counted them) in a very small space in the fiddle yard, with no easy place to stick the controls now.
Some of them are even directly over the subframe, which makes motors pretty much impossible.
I'm tending towards lil Chris's suggestion of just motorising the hardest to get to ones....but the switches still have to go somewhere!
19 point motors would be a lot of dosh  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2015, 11:13:12 pm
I hae Peco motors on my fiddle yard with insulfrog points but on my main layout I am using Cobalt motors through a control panel. But  on one of my modules there is just one point so I have bought one Cobalt IP motor which is digital.Its  a little expensive but I can control it with my powercab but I also have a simple push to make switch on the edge of the board next to it( you can use two switches if you want). It just toggles when you press it and the motor remembers which way, simple.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 09, 2015, 08:10:39 am
Although I can operate the points in my fiddle yard by hand, it would be easier to have them operated by electric motor. However, I'd rather spend the money on DCC-fitting locos.!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 09, 2015, 12:00:46 pm
There are days when OO gauge seems very appealing  :o

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/totem.jpg)

Sorted out totem signs for all my station lamp posts this morning.
They had to go on back-to-back for the island platform.
VERY fiddly to cut out and stick on!
They look better in close-up than I thought they would to be honest.
In reality the name is virtually impossible to read, but *I* know it is there  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 09, 2015, 04:27:33 pm
Thanks for that, Mike. N Scale 'totem' signs are REALLY small so well done.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 09, 2015, 09:00:03 pm
Those mini totems look really good.
As you say, you know what it says even if it's hard to read.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 17, 2015, 02:27:19 pm
I haven't had much time to do anything significant on the layout recently, due to all the bah humbug stuff and trips to the hospital  :(

I did manage to do a bit to one of the station platforms though, fitting a fence along the back, complete with a couple of name boards.
A few peeps seem to have wandered into the station too  :D

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence3.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence4.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2015, 04:11:09 pm
Very nice work, Mike. Sorry to read about all your trips to hospital; something which I have spent far too many hours doing, this autumn. One small remark, as your fences are, currently placed, they obstruct access to the foot / barrow crossing. It also extends across the white line marking. If you look at photos. of similar areas of stations in BR days, the fence should continue along the back of the station platform and then along the road. Platform ramps were never fenced off near the bottom of the ramp.

Like here:
http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/3298150_orig.jpg (http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/3298150_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 17, 2015, 04:27:44 pm
Excellent work there Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 17, 2015, 07:01:27 pm
That's Ratio's fault Chris, their sloped fencing doesn't fit their ramps! I'm not about to buy another pack for the sake of half an inch  :no:
There is actually a gate at the end of the ramp to give access to the barrow crossing, and more fencing will be extended along the trackside,
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 23, 2015, 06:01:34 pm
A few more pictures to bore you all with......

A bit more work done, yard lights installed in a few locations, various people to populate the place, seats on the platforms and  the coaling platform relocated to a better position.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot1.jpg)
The coal yard has a couple of lamps now, and a few workers beavering away. The wasteland this side of the track has had an old Jowett Javelin dumped and burnt out.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot2.jpg)
The gantry crane has acquired a yard lamp

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot3.jpg)
Another yard lamp at the goods shed, plus a load of cargo stacked around the area.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot4.jpg)
...another by the engine shed/diesel refuelling area, plus a few workers.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot5.jpg)
The coaling station with workers.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot6.jpg)
A jolly jack tar waits for the next train on the island platform, along with a few other passengers.
Unfortunately the blonde lady in the red coat, carrying her shopping, appears to have tripped. Some straightening required there I think!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot7.jpg)
A different angle.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot8.jpg)
A surprise visit from Michael Portillo, researching his next "Great British Railway Journeys" series.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/shot9.jpg)
A signalman crosses the tracks via the barrow crossing, carrying his lunch box.

....and last but not least.....A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL!

 :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on December 23, 2015, 06:39:02 pm
A lovely set of photos, thank you. Seeing the Scalescene buildings there has encouraged me to remove my digit and make some.

And a Happy Christmas to you and yours.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 23, 2015, 07:01:46 pm
Cracking pics, Mike :thumbsup:
The Portillo figure made me smile but please don't let the blond lady faceplant the platform  :worried:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 23, 2015, 07:19:57 pm
We have sold loads of those MP figures mate, they make everybody smile  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2015, 07:39:58 pm
Very nice work, Mike. The excellent photos. are far from boring. Unfortunately, MP, is out of my period. Have you sent one to the great man himself? I'm sure that he'd be amused. A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you, too, and all success with your business.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on December 24, 2015, 07:25:48 am
Smashing detail and really  :greatpicturessign:

Hope that lady recovers from her unplanned trip. :D

Compliments of the Season.  :beers:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 27, 2015, 11:18:00 am
Father Crimble brought the perfect fashion accessory for the shows.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/tshirt.jpg)


...and a seasonal delivery ensures that there is now a suitable bus to adorn the bus stop :)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/bus.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 27, 2015, 02:45:40 pm
Thanks for the update. Nice presents, indeed. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 31, 2015, 01:19:56 pm
Cutting from the Wookery Morning Bugle of today's date:

The long-running dispute between British Rail (Western Region) and the Wookery Steam Preservation Society has at last been resolved amicably. The fence between the road to the station and the railway track has been in poor condition for years. As soon as the WSPS took over the branch line axed by Dr Beeching, BR insisted that it was the responsibility of the WSPS to replace this fence as it ran alongside their line. Faced with this unexpected large bill, the WSPS had no option but to hotly dispute this claim, as there are still BR operated lines beyond their track. The argument was about to go court when BR suddenly backpeddled and offered to share the cost, something which the members of the WSPS suspect was their target all along. Workmen have already completed construction of a new concrete fence alongside the approach road, and are today working on a further section between the station and the Pickfords furniture warehouse. The WSPS half of the cost is expected to be covered by donations and fund raising schemes. A spokesman said that they would far rather have spent this revenue on restoring one of the old GWR engines that they are currently working on. Hopefully the work will be completed today, and we will bring you photographs in tomorrow's edition
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 31, 2015, 01:34:54 pm
A very nice New Year's present for the Wookery Steam Preservation Society, Mike. I look forward to the photos., in due course. Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 02, 2016, 02:11:12 pm
The new fencing has been completed:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fencing1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fencing2.jpg)

There was considerable correspondence between the WSPS and Wookery Council over the height of the new fences.
The council initially insisted on six foot high fences, but the WSPS wanted them lower to allow passers-by to view the steam trains in operation, to tempt them to bring their kids on a trip.
As there would only be slow moving traffic adjacent to the fencing, with the main line some distance away, the council eventually agreed to a five foot fence as long as it was of a robust nature. They did however point out to BR that they would not be so lenient when it came to fencing off the goods yard, and they would require six foot pallisade fencing!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 02, 2016, 03:55:20 pm
I'm pleased that common sense prevailed. The 5 ft fencing looks the part.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 02, 2016, 04:07:44 pm
Very nice work, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 08, 2016, 03:32:49 pm
It seems that I have cured the running problems with my teddy bear shunter.
I was on the point of throwing it out of the window and buying a DCC-ready class 20, but I couldn't find one that I could afford.

I gave the class 14 to a friend in our club who also runs DCC and asked him to take it home and see what he thought of it over the Christmas break.
He had the same problems as me - very unresponsive, pretty much uncontrollable..
He understands a lot more than me about CVs and he went hunting.
He emailed me today.
Turned out the a joystick delay had somehow been set to 8. He set it to 0 and he reckons it runs fine now, he was shunting wagons with it  :D
I was pretty sure it must be something CV, so I am very pleased.
I'll get it back at next week's meet and have a play.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 04:38:45 pm
That's really excellent news, Mike. I'm very happy for you and glad that you did not throw it out! They're nice little locos.

Best wishes,
Chris
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 24, 2016, 03:19:56 pm
Wow, I really had to go digging back to find my thread!

It looks like "Time Team" have arrived in Wookery and have been carrying out a "dig" on the old abbey ruins......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/churchyard1.jpg)

However, the Wookery church committee have been busy, and you can see that the digging was just the foundations for the road and footpaths around the church and alms houses.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/churchyard2.jpg)

And finally with the board in situ and buildings roughly placed, it begins to take shape.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/churchyard3.jpg)

I haven't been able to do much on my layout for weeks, and had begun to lose interest, and even started planning next layout and buying track!
It feels good to have FINALLY made some progress.
Once I have added some different green scatter, gravestones, bushes, trees, weeds and a washing line behind the cottages it should really begin to look good around this lift-out section.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 24, 2016, 03:26:32 pm
I like it, and especially hope the local constabulary collar the swine who set fire to the vicar's house >:(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2016, 07:44:41 pm
I'm very glad to see this update, Mike. The scenic ara looks very good already. It would be a great pity to abandon Wookery when it is looking so good to start something new.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 24, 2016, 08:52:43 pm
I wouldn't have abandoned it Chris, but I had it in mind to finish it off quickly and sell it. I realise now though that I have put so much into it that I would like to finish it and exhibit it a few times. From the reactions of people that have seen it "in the flesh" I think it would be in demand on the show circuit.
Whether we could fit that in with our own busy business show schedule remains to be seen.

I realised that shunting and running small  branch line trains isn't really what appeals to me. I enjoy watching big full-length mainline trains running round :)
My next layout will be Kato track for smooth running ( I have started to accumulate some) and nice big long reaches of track.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 24, 2016, 09:00:52 pm
I understand, Mike. That makes a lot of sense. I wish you all success with both completing Wookery and your next layout, then.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 25, 2016, 02:25:25 pm
Washing line now in place, plus some weeds.
Months back I promised a big tree on the layout, well now there are two!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/churchyard4.jpg)

No updates for weeks, then you get two in two days hahahaa

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 25, 2016, 06:20:52 pm
Looking better and better, Mike. Thanks for this latest update.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 25, 2016, 09:40:16 pm
 :hellosign: Excellent scenics, looking really good, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 26, 2016, 02:17:03 pm
I'm attempting to build a cassette loading system, utilising one of the sidings at the back of my board.
The idea is that I have 1m long cassettes so that I can run much longer trains.

I suspect that it is beyond my handiman skills though  :(

Wish me luck!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2016, 05:05:27 pm
Looking good.
Good luck with the cassette system
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 26, 2016, 07:02:25 pm
Thanks mate.

Well the basic idea works.
I used two 1m lengths of steel with a right angle profile.
The edges of the steel replace track as a running surface and butt up against the end of the siding track, and are powered by wires soldered to the track ends and connected using crocodile clips.
I managed to roll wagons back and forth, and also powered it up and got an engine across the join and running on the cassette.
Unfortunately I didn't have the right screws to fix the steel onto the plywood base.
I had some cheese head screws and used those, but of course the  :censored: heads got in the way of the overhanging bogies!!  :veryangry:
I tried grinding chunks off the heads, but couldn't get enough clearance.
I'll try again when I can source some suitable countersunk screws, which should solve the problem.
This was only ever going to be a prototype anyway, I didn't expect to get it up and working at the first attempt!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 27, 2016, 04:15:54 pm
Off topic, but I mentioned earlier that I had bought a load of track with my next layout in mind.
It is Kato track, and I have been having a bit of a play with it this afternoon on the living room floor.
I have to say that this stuff is brilliant!
It snaps together very well and stays fixed while you try out different configurations.
The points move quietly, and it is very satisfying moving the levers on the Kato point controllers, just like being a real signalman  :D
I also bought a piece of track with a magnetic uncoupler, and it works perfectly with my Dapol easi-shunt couplings.

My next layout will definitely be with Kato track, and will be a nice long out and back stretch so that I can run nice long trains  :thumbsup:

To get back on topic, I have set myself a target of showing Wookery for the first time at my club's open day in November.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 27, 2016, 04:49:53 pm
Impatience got the better of me with the cassette  :D
I managed to find the screws I need, but have to wait for them to come in the post as I couldn't find them locally.
Sooooooooo I decided to glue the steel runners to the plywood base and screw them with the screws that I have here.
Left it a while, then removed the screws and cleaned up the steel with some wire wool.
Wasn't sure it would work, but UHU glue is marvelous!  :smiley-laughing:

Thought I would give it a try with my trusty GF Western:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cassette1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cassette2.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cassette3.jpg)

Yay! It works!
So now I have to cut a couple of lengths of ply to glue either side to prevent mishaps when moving a loaded cassette, plus a blocking piece for the far end.
Then all that is left is some system to lock it in place - possibly a sliding bolt and a drop in peg.
It cost me less than a fiver, not bad eh?

After that it's go into mass production  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on February 27, 2016, 07:00:56 pm
If you have to get more angle, I would suggest using Aluminium, It will be easier to clean and won't rust.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 27, 2016, 07:03:57 pm
Club members told me NOT to use aluminium as it oxidises...... :doh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on February 27, 2016, 08:57:06 pm
It does oxidize and the oxide doesn't conduct electricity.

I've used mild steel angle before and it doesn't rust in a normal domestic environment.
The thing with ferrous oxide is you can see when it is there, or not!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 28, 2016, 03:54:13 pm
I've hit a snag with the cassette....well a couple of snags really.
My plan was to use a sliding bolt to hold the cassette in position, with the slider on the cassette and the the piece it locks into fixed on my layout.
Hence I would need three the same as I intend to build 3 cassettes.
Snag #1 I couldn't find any sliding bolts in any of the DIY stores round here that is narrow enough to fit into the small space I have available.
On getting back home I trawled evilbay and having looked through 1000 listings I found just 3 types that would just about fit.... to the mm!
This was when I realised snag #2.....I had bought the last two pieces of the steel runners when I visited last time, and they are discontinued so I can't check via their online system to see if any other stores within a reasonable distance still have any.
I bought 4 lengths of slightly wider steel, thinking that as they have plenty more I can go back later to get a couple more, and discard the prototype experimental cassette.
Having found the 3 possible sliding bolts, that's when it hit me  :doh:
The new steel is wider, so I have even LESS space to fit a sliding bolt!
Anybody got any ideas how I can quickly fit the cassette in exactly the same position quickly each time? Ideas that don't require a degree in mechanical engineering that is!
I'm almost at the point of taking back what I have bought and giving up on the idea!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: ColinH on February 28, 2016, 04:08:36 pm
I am doing a similar thing at the moment with s/s angle (expensive) and have a similar problem. Don't have a fiddle yard but want to use the cassette as a lift out section on the raised back line so that I can swop trains. I have thought of using square brass tubing of 2 different dimensions such that they are a snug fit and making your own bolt glued to the cassette and layout. Piece of larger tube on layout and cassette and smaller tube to slide through them both. Could even put a bend on the end of the smaller one so it does not slide all way through.

just an idea!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 28, 2016, 04:29:01 pm
I seem to remember that the plastic ducting used to carry computer cabling is the right size for N Scale train cassettes?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 28, 2016, 05:10:03 pm
I may have found a solution, but my trustee dremel battery let me down  :(
More progress tomorrow hopefully.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on February 29, 2016, 11:16:54 am
Ive bought a couple of lengths of plastic ducting which is fractionally wider than N gauge and will be gluing a length of flexi track inside it.
I think it will hold a train in position with a little removable packing (at least that's the idea  :-\ )
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 29, 2016, 12:49:41 pm
That's ok when the whole thing will be supported by the rest of the layout Jon, but half of my cassette will be hanging out over the end, supported by fresh air  :D

My brainwave worked, I've taken a couple of videos and will work out how to post them after lunch......If you see a blue cloud hovering over East Anglia you will know that I'm having problems hahahaaa
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 29, 2016, 01:06:07 pm

The solution in the end was quite simple - cut away half the sliding bolt and the receiving loop. then cut away enough of the steel rail so that the bolt would fit snugly beside it....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/cassette4.jpg)

A couple of youtube vids:

http://youtu.be/wpg5XwF1y8I (http://youtu.be/wpg5XwF1y8I)

http://youtu.be/qIbtc8z7ZYE (http://youtu.be/qIbtc8z7ZYE)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 29, 2016, 03:03:43 pm
Congrats on getting the system to work, Mike. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 29, 2016, 04:00:22 pm
Thanks mate  :D

I took the larger steel pieces back to the store.
They checked on the computer and the smaller pieces are definitely discontinued.
They do aluminium in the same size though, so I'll have to go with that.
I will probably make 3 completely new cassettes and ditch this prototype one, as I think I can make some improvements.
The sliding bolt I bought was a very cheap and nasty one, just to try the idea out, and it is a very sloppy fit when slid home, doesn't really hold the cassette in place.
I might go for better quality ones, or I might if I am very brave try something a bit better   :-\

At least I can run the Midland Pullman full size now if I want to, and rakes of six coaches instead of just two or three.
Operating the layout at shows should be more interesting and I won't get rivet counters telling me that the BP should have six units not five  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on February 29, 2016, 08:10:51 pm
If you have a "docking piece" made just like the cassettes, but firmly anchored to the board; between the end of the "real track" and the cassette proper you can use bulldog clips for both alignment and electrical conduction,
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on February 29, 2016, 08:39:08 pm
A "drawing of somesort" to show what I mean :)
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll185/Mickey_Matn/cassette%20docking_zpsovuqunyp.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 29, 2016, 10:40:26 pm
Yes, something like that is what I had in mind, using a piece ov cassette on the main board.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 10, 2016, 12:55:22 pm
I've had a long hard think about my layout, and the problems that I have had with some of my hard-wired DCC engines, and even some of the DCC-ready ones that had chips fitted after purchase. I was almost at the point of scrapping/selling my layout and starting again.

I decided to give it a last try by buying some new DCC ready engines. The first one is a GF class 20, factory weathered.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/class20.jpg)

I also bought a Bachmann 6 pin decoder, which is what it would be fitted with at the factory.
Result?
Bloody perfect!
It crawls really nicely, and the Dapol easi-shunt couplings that I fitted it with work superbly every time  :D
Having twin bogies, it negotiates all the many points with no problem.
Love the directional lights too!
Being longer, it overhangs more on the run-round points in the goods yard, and was ramming into the corner of the goods shed, so I had to do some hasty juxta-positioning of the goods shed and some factory buildings! I actually like the result better than how I had them originally!  :smiley-laughing:

This was the 2nd purchase, DCC fitted by Dapol:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/pannier.jpg)

Results a little mixed on this one, but that is mainly down to the quality of my track laying I think, and the fact that the branch lines haven't really been used much in over a year.
One big problem is where a section of flexitrack joins the run-round points and is connected by Peco plastic insulated joiners. These things are  :censored: useless and twist and buckle. These ones have allowed the flexi to rise a bit resulting in a hell of a step up that the poor little pannier can't get up! I've used my Dremel with a grinding tool to take a bit off the proud flexi track and it has improved somewhat. I've found it VERY hard to clean the track between the platforms though, and think I may have to invest in a track cleaning truck eventually. The magnetic couplings work really well though.

A note on the GF chip-fittings instructions.......non-existant!
The leaflet tells you that you have to remove 4 tiny screws to take the body off (I had to go out and buy some tools small enough to do it) so I assumed this was the way to get at the chip.  I took the screws out, tried to get the body off and it wouldn't shift - but the cab body popped off, revealing the chip!
I hastily refitted the screws! Very disappointing GF  :veryangry:
It's a shame cos it is a LOVELY engine and I can shunt the goods yard really well now  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 10, 2016, 04:39:38 pm
I've had a disaster - dropped the class 20  :veryangry:
Various bits came off. I've managed to glue the NEM pocket and coupling back together and everything is running OK, but I've sheared both front buffers off. On one the oval head has snapped off the red stem, and the other has sheared off flush with the front of the loco.
I'm devastated after being so pleased with it  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on March 10, 2016, 04:59:14 pm
Sorry to hear about your low-flying Class 20.  Maybe some suitable replacements are available from N Brass Locos or somewhere similar?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 10, 2016, 05:33:12 pm
Thanks so much for that John.
I didn't know about them - another supplier to add to my list!
I checked and they have some brass ones that look pretty much a perfect match.
I'll have to carefully cut the other broken one off flush, then drill some tiny holes for them.
I'll hold fire on getting them for now as I have already contacted GF to see if I can get replacements.
I'm so relieved though, thanks again mate - big kisses  :P

I've also managed to get the pannier tank running much better through the station, and the uncoupling works well there too.
It still doesn't like the track too much, and it's infuriating that my old GF 0-4-2 runs perfectly over it all!
It is quite a bit heavier than the Dapol pannier. I was going to use the new loco with a B set and also some GWR Colletts, using the run-round, and pair the GF with an autocoach. Perhaps I would do better to reverse their roles and fit the GF with NEMs/magnetic couplings!

I've been having fun playing testing the goods yard this afternoon.
I now have all the uncouplers working, and the whole goods yard can now be navigated and wagons shunted anywhere and uncoupled.
I need to get another Dapol magnet to site by the repositioned goods shed, plus a load of short easi-shunt couplings, then it is on to converting a load of my wagons to NEM pockets.
When I finally get it exhibition finished, it should be fun shunting the yard.
The layout is booked for our club open day at the end of October, so it is finger out time.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 10, 2016, 08:22:37 pm
Sorry to hear about your Class 20. I do hope that you get it back up and running again in due course.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 10, 2016, 08:48:54 pm
Glad you're getting things sorted out. Gravity is not good for locos! :-[ a bit of patience and it will be like new.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 10, 2016, 09:22:39 pm
Sorry to hear about your 'prang', especially as the class 20 had restored your faith in N gauge locos. I have been guilty myself in that I dragged a class 37 onto a tiled conservatory floor from just under 4ft height. The crunch was horrifying :o
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 10:58:08 am
I've made some progress on Wookery

One end module is almost finished:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/end1.jpg)

The road at the back and the section with the church and alms houses on both lift out to give access for rail cleaning/retrieving derailed stock.
The road slopes down from the main high street, so presents a challenge as it will require an angled backscene and the row of terraced houses that I plan will have to be stepped down every so often. Should be an "interesting" build :goggleeyes:

I've started the structure at the other end too, as I had to see how station road would fit in, and I also wanted to position the Scalescenes Edwardian school that I built last week:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/end2.jpg)

Both roads and the school section will all lift out. The school will have railings around it.
I think it's going to need my retaining wall and tunnel portal building skills bigtime!  :o
I do enjoy building them though - look at end one hahahaha

There will be an electricity substation next to the engine shed, and some allotments in there somewhere,
I'm not sure what else, I'm kinda designing as I go along  :smiley-laughing:
I'm undecided on street lights along the two end elevated roads. As they lift out it will need more wiring connectors.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2016, 11:35:01 am
That is really nice modelling and looks highly realistic.
Very much looking forward to future progress.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 12, 2016, 01:07:44 pm
That's looking great, Mike :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 03:20:24 pm
Thanks guys.
Good news on the class 20 front too - GF are sending me some replacement buffers.
I'll need to partially repaint them, but that's no big deal.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 04:31:30 pm
Question: My layout is set in GW area in 1965. If I were to abandon the idea of a preserved GWR branch line and opt for diesels all round, which locos would be used on branch lines?
I know that B set coaches come in BR maroon - so what would have been pulling them?
Obviously 121 and 122s were used extensively, but I would still want to be able to utilise a run-round loop.
Would Mk1 maroons be used on branches?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2016, 05:18:55 pm
I guess that by 1965 coaching stock was very varied so yes, maroon stock would, I think, be used on branch lines. It was very much make do and mend by then using whatever was available.
As for locos, Class 22s spring to mind  for branch line use and to a lesser extent Hymeks (Class 35).
Class 08s of course for local pick up freights (which were on the way out by then) and , if you stretch it a bit, Class 14s (D95xx)Perhaps you could throw in a Class 33 interloper from the SR?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 12, 2016, 05:26:03 pm
I would agree with (and can't add to) all that Martin suggests.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on March 12, 2016, 06:06:55 pm
I have seen pictures of a maroon Warship shunting Hayle Wharves in the latter 60s - That is about as branch as it gets!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 07:34:07 pm
Thanks for the info guys, pretty much what I thought.

I just kittede my baby waship out with megnetic couplings and ran it into the station with a B set.
It uncoupled, ran round, and picked up again absolutely perfectly.
No problems whatsoever.
I think I feel a decision coming on  :D

Anybody want to buy a brand new DCC fitted Dapol pannier, not even run in yet?  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2016, 08:04:05 pm
A pannier running alongside those diesels would still be fine in 1965.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 08:08:12 pm
Not in pre war GWR shirtbutton  :no:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2016, 09:58:01 pm
Not in pre war GWR shirtbutton  :no:

Yes, if it is preserved. A preserved GWR livery 45XX as well as a "Castle" (7029 "Clun Castle") were running on BR WR in 1965 so why not a 57XX, too? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2016, 10:19:24 pm
The whole point is that I'm having so much trouble getting steam to run properly, even this brand new loco, that I am thinking of giving up on steam and going all-diesel
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on March 12, 2016, 10:23:09 pm
"All Diesel" sounds good to me and they do run better as a rule these days ....Its all those wheels contacting them rails :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 13, 2016, 06:41:18 am
The whole point is that I'm having so much trouble getting steam to run properly, even this brand new loco, that I am thinking of giving up on steam and going all-diesel

In that case, yes, sell off your 0-6-0s but larger steam locos, like 4-6-0s should run better?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 13, 2016, 08:02:11 am
In that case, yes, sell off your 0-6-0s but larger steam locos, like 4-6-0s should run better?

No, the front bogies on my King and Castle constantly derail, and they wouldn't be running on small branch lines anyway I think.
There is very little pleasure for me running steam on my track. I went for live frog on all my points on the advice of club members, to try to prevent these problems, but it didn't work.
I think that I have to accept that I am a diesel man. My earliest memory of trains as a young boy is the early diesels, and I far preferred the green diesels to steam on my childhood train layout. I absolutely LOVE my Midland Pullman, and can't wait to receive my Royal Alex later this month (I hope). We take part in this hobby for pleasure, and the locos that I get the most pleasure from are diesels. There is only one item in my pre-war stock that I would be sad to see go, and that's my GWR railcar....oh wait, that's a diesel too!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: PostModN66 on March 13, 2016, 08:16:02 am
Gravity is not good for locos!

I find it quite useful for attaching them to the track!  ;)

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Hailstone on March 13, 2016, 12:58:02 pm
In that case, yes, sell off your 0-6-0s but larger steam locos, like 4-6-0s should run better?


No, the front bogies on my King and Castle constantly derail, and they wouldn't be running on small branch lines anyway I think.
There is very little pleasure for me running steam on my track. I went for live frog on all my points on the advice of club members, to try to prevent these problems, but it didn't work.
I think that I have to accept that I am a diesel man. My earliest memory of trains as a young boy is the early diesels, and I far preferred the green diesels to steam on my childhood train layout. I absolutely LOVE my Midland Pullman, and can't wait to receive my Royal Alex later this month (I hope). We take part in this hobby for pleasure, and the locos that I get the most pleasure from are diesels. There is only one item in my pre-war stock that I would be sad to see go, and that's my GWR railcar....oh wait, that's a diesel too!  :smiley-laughing:


If your Castle is using the original bogie, it  may be worth checking the back to backs I have cured other locos doing this. you could also try fitting an Nbrass one, I fitted them to both my Castles and Halls and the improvement in running was immediate.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Hailstone/Dir_1/medium_11710.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11710)

I have not however, done anything about the 2 Kings that I have, they do not seem to suffer the same derailment problems, maybe because of the different way the bogie is attached to the chassis.
Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2016, 02:56:49 pm
Another batch of 30 N gauge Michael Portillos and 50 Suffolk sheep in OO ready for our next show this Saturday.
We sold out of both at last weekend's show

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/Michaels.jpg)

I'll be taking my GWR steam locos there to sell as well.
Decision made - I'm a green diesel sort of guy from now on in.........
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on March 15, 2016, 04:02:28 pm
Another batch of 30 N gauge Michael Portillos and 50 Suffolk sheep in OO ready for our next show this Saturday.
We sold out of both at last weekend's show

([url]http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/Michaels.jpg[/url])

I'll be taking my GWR steam locos there to sell as well.
Decision made - I'm a green diesel sort of guy from now on in.........


Just need a wookie or two to go with your name/layout name :P :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2016, 08:08:11 pm
Thanks for the update, Mike. I particularly like the Michael Portillo figures but the Suffolk sheep look very good, too. Alas, Michael Portillo is far too modern for my period and the sheep the wrong scale and type for North Cornwall. I hope you get very good prices for your steam locos.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2016, 08:53:12 pm
I do N scale Hereford cattle :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2016, 09:09:07 pm
I do N scale Hereford cattle :)

Alas, I already have far more cattle (and sheep) than I need, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 15, 2016, 10:16:28 pm

Decision made - I'm a green diesel sort of guy from now on in.........

Don't forget the maroons! ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2016, 10:19:34 pm
and blues (Pullmans)  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 15, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
and blues (Pullmans)  :D

and Desert Sand along with Golden Ochre (if they ever come about)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2016, 10:29:18 pm
I have the Royal Alex on order  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on March 16, 2016, 11:13:28 am
I have the Royal Alex on order  :D
One day Dapol will actually build it and  G/Masters will be able to deliver it but don't get exited about it yet.
Mine will probably have to be buried unrun with me  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 16, 2016, 11:27:05 am
It's ok Jon, no hurry, I'm still looking for mk1 Pullman coaches to go with it - only have one so far  :(

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/frame.jpg)

Bob the yard foreman changes the points so that D6313 can proceed to the goods shed to pick up empties.
In the background the coal yard is a hive of activity.

I picked up the Hornby ground frame at last Sunday's show, and had to repaint Bob into overalls to get him ready for the job  :smiley-laughing:

God, don't code 80 rails look  :censored: awful close up!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on March 16, 2016, 12:04:38 pm
Code 80 rails looking awful in close up? Possibly, but the bloke in the overalls looks like he's had a night on the turps  :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 16, 2016, 12:29:41 pm
He does?   :(

Maybe camera angle as he looks fine in reality.....well missus and I think so anyway
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on March 16, 2016, 03:15:26 pm
He does?   :(

Maybe camera angle as he looks fine in reality.....well missus and I think so anyway

I dont see anything wrong with him :)

the camera is angled a little bit but looks fine.

I am now very glad I've moved to code 55 track in my design, the rails look huge in code 80!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 16, 2016, 04:19:00 pm
the bloke in the overalls looks like he's had a night on the turps  :beers:

Dunno about turps, George, but I surely think Portillo has been on the steroids before he got into those overalls. Compare his size to the weedy guys shoving coaling about :goggleeyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on March 16, 2016, 04:19:44 pm
Dunno about turps, George, but I surely think Portillo has been on the steroids before he got into those overalls. Compare his size to the weedy guys shoving coaling about :goggleeyes: :laugh:

Clearly child labour haha  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 16, 2016, 04:40:44 pm
I am now very glad I've moved to code 55 track in my design, the rails look huge in code 80!

The frustrating bit is, I went for code 80 as I had bought a load of older engines and rolling stock, which had deep flanges.
I subsequently sold the lot and bought all new stock, so could have gone the code 55 route, and therefore could have used slip points  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on March 16, 2016, 11:34:37 pm
Hello,

Code 55 rails are actually code 80, but Peco have attempted to bury them in the sleepers, and not entirely successfully - as it takes a lot of careful ballasting and weathering to make them look effective. Bits of the hidden rail and the plastic in which they are buried show through. I think the chairs on Code 80 look better - but close ups can be cruel - as this photo proves. I use code 55 now, but think my older attempts in code 80 don't look too bad in comparison, I guess if you're really worried Code 40 beckons...

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 17, 2016, 06:50:13 pm
I've decided to have one last go at getting steam running ok tomorrow.
Most of my problems seem to be in sections where flexitrack joins points, and is connected using insulated joiners.
The plastic joiners really aren't strong enough to hold the flexi in place and have twisted or lifted and allowed the flexi to move.
I'm going to cut out sections at the end of the flexitrack where it joins the points, and insert short pieces of set track in their place.
It should be an "interesting" job as the track has been ballasted!  :(
If I can get it running smoothly, then the steam on the branch line will stay.
I'm still selling my King and Castle though anyway, as they don't fit in with my layout now.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on March 17, 2016, 07:18:41 pm
I'm still selling my King and Castle though anyway, as they don't fit in with my layout now.

Wow, that must be a large chess set to be visible in N gauge :D

I've also had the same problem at times with insulated joiners, they don't like being installed on curves, and results in track being lifted to replace them at times, hopefully after ballasting I won't have any further issues, at least on the scenic side.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 17, 2016, 09:13:45 pm
I would have thought if the last few sleepers on the flexitrack were pinned/screwed and the track glued in place then loose ballasting with the attendant PVA/water mix would have held everything in position :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 17, 2016, 09:22:12 pm
Take out the insulated fish plate and glue in a piece of plasticard, super glue or epoxy and clean up when the glue is set. Use track pins either side of the rail to maintain alignment. That should sort the problem out.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2016, 06:39:28 pm
It looks like steam will get a reprieve!
I have replaced three short sections of track within the station area.
I can see what I did wrong, I took the flexi track off at an angle from the points, I should have kept it straight for an inch or two..
I have put a short piece of set track in to join the points, then taken the flexi off from that.
I soldered all sections of rail together so the buggers don't move this time, and just left a small gap where the insulated joiners were before. I might try your tip of sticking a bit of epoxy in the gaps Mito.

It doesn't look wonderful, but I think will be okay once it is reballasted and weathered.

My old Dapol 0-4-2 races round the lines now with no problems, in forward and reverse. instead of jumping clean off the tracks!
It also crawls pretty well, so if need be I will convert it to NEM pockets/magnetic couplings to do the run round job with carriages.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 18, 2016, 08:02:21 pm
Glad you got it sorted.
I had a very similar problem in the station area of my old Port Perran layout (which is now no more) which led me to completely re lay the track. Yes, it's a good idea to have a short straight section after a point.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 18, 2016, 08:45:00 pm
Glad you got it all sorted. I would hate to see you going into a steam decline. The suffering! :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 18, 2016, 08:50:03 pm
I would have been more upset at losing my GWR railcar if I had been forced to abandon the preserved branch line  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2016, 09:31:59 pm
Yes, taking flexi track off at an angle from points can cause problems unless both are perfectly aligned and firmly fixed down. I'm not sure whether I have avoided that mistake until I get back more DCC-fitted locos. and run them up the Castle branch after wiring has been done. But, I remember feeling nervous about it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on March 19, 2016, 06:09:33 am
and blues (Pullmans)  :D

and Desert Sand along with Golden Ochre (if they ever come about)

Are you still after Desert Sand Mick? One on the bay the other afternoon.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 19, 2016, 09:26:54 am
and blues (Pullmans)  :D

and Desert Sand along with Golden Ochre (if they ever come about)

Are you still after Desert Sand Mick? One on the bay the other afternoon.

I reckon 'Only Me' has snaffled that one, George, and I don't buy locos off Fleabay. Once bitten, twice shy!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 10:00:22 am
A couple of years ago, when I was stocking up with locos. for the future Cant Cove (and Penmayne) I sent all the second-hand Graham Farish ones via Bob at BRLines for inspection / service / repair. Additionally, Douglas at Wickness Models will undertake any necessary small repairs and adjustments as part of his excellent DCC-fitting service so I have no qualms buying locos. via eBay and, like others, have got some bargains that way.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: georgehgv on March 19, 2016, 04:50:36 pm
A couple of years ago, when I was stocking up with locos. for the future Cant Cove (and Penmayne) I sent all the second-hand Graham Farish ones via Bob at BRLines for inspection / service / repair. Additionally, Douglas at Wickness Models will undertake any necessary small repairs and adjustments as part of his excellent DCC-fitting service so I have no qualms buying locos. via eBay and, like others, have got some bargains that way.

I have done ok on Ebay, as you say Chris if you are bothered it is a simple task to send it to service/repair.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 19, 2016, 05:08:37 pm
Provided that you get it cheaply enough in the first place of course  :D
It's ok as long as it is something that can be repaired, or for which there is a spare available.
I've come unstuck on a couple for both reasons :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 19, 2016, 09:37:30 pm
Good news from today's show - I had somebody who knows what he is doing tweek the CVs on my class 14 and the new Dapol Pannier, and they both now run MUCH better!  :bounce:

I picked up a nice GWR shirtbutton Collett coach and a few wagons at very reasonable prices too. Sold a few trees lights animals and figures so a good day all round.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
Good news from today's show - I had somebody who knows what he is doing tweek the CVs on my class 14 and the new Dapol Pannier, and they both now run MUCH better!  :bounce:

I picked up a nice GWR shirtbutton Collett coach and a few wagons at very reasonable prices too. Sold a few trees lights animals and figures so a good day all round.....

That's all really excellent news, Mike. I'm very pleased for you. I like both the Class 14 and the pannier tank.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 19, 2016, 10:01:40 pm
Glad you had a good day. And were able to pay for your vice. :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on March 20, 2016, 03:27:50 pm
I have the Royal Alex on order  :D
One day Dapol will actually build it and  G/Masters will be able to deliver it but don't get exited about it yet.
Mine will probably have to be buried unrun with me  :(
Just checked on G/Masters website and the BB and all the other 73s are now not due till May of this year  :veryangry: :veryangry:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 20, 2016, 04:19:02 pm
Yeah I noticed it during the week, very annoying!  :veryangry:
It seems that the Chinese are getting very unreliable.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on March 21, 2016, 07:16:23 am
No real surprise. I got a rather evasive response to my recent email to GM regarding the revised 'estimated' delivery of March 2016.

Due to the increasingly unreliable availability dates being given by both Dapol and GF, I'm not placing any further pre-orders.

The plan is to finish the layout and enjoy what I have already and hope that the few outstanding orders are fulfilled before I'm too old and frail to open the package!

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 21, 2016, 05:52:32 pm
Stuck indoors all day cos gas board were here installing a new gas main outside and running it in to our meter, so really got on with a load of scenic work on Wookery today.
Apart from things like walls, fences and signals I have pretty much finished the main central section I think.
Gas man is back again on Wednesday, so I'm hoping to have a "dress rehearsal" with all buildings, road vehicles etc in place and take a load of photos then.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on March 22, 2016, 07:26:01 am
Look forward to seeing the results of your photo-shoot.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2016, 03:03:15 pm
As promised, I have fully populated Wookery for a full "dress rehearsal" to see what it looks like and to take a whole load of progress photos to show how it is going........26 photos in fact, so I hope that I don't bore you all!

George and Mabel take a romantic stroll through the sheep meadows:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march1.jpg)

My complex tunnel system (There is a fourth tucked away behind the washing):

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march2.jpg)

Hmmmm, it's getting a bit overgrown trackside:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march3.jpg)

The church basks in the afternoon sun:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march4.jpg)

The groundsman has been busy getting the churchyard tidy for the big event:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march5.jpg)
(That road at the back slopes, and so will have to have an angled backscene, and a row of terraced houses staggering down the hill!)

The children are helping mum hang out the washing behind the alms houses:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march6.jpg)

Pickfords furniture depository is busy today:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march7.jpg)

And so is the coal depot:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march8.jpg)

The station garage has a fuel delivery coming in:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march9.jpg)

The conflat terminal seems to be in full swing too, whilst the new class 20 shunts some vans towards the goods shed:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march10.jpg)

The factory appears to be having trouble with their phone lines:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march11.jpg)

A dirty Western heads a long rake of empties heading back for refills:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march12.jpg)

A "bubble car" picks up passengers on the through branch line, whilst in the background an autocoach is working the preserved branch:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march13.jpg)

An excited family wait for their train to the seaside to arrive on platform 3:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march14.jpg)

One of the local buses has arrived at the station bus stop:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march15.jpg)

The preserved GWR railcar takes on fuel, whilst the pumps themselves also take on fuel:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march16.jpg)

The new preserved Pannier tank gets some water and coal before heading off for duty:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march17.jpg)

The postman stops off to collect mail from the Post Office:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march18.jpg)

The crowds are beginning to gather for the big funeral procession:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march19.jpg)

A limo passes the crowds that have come to pay their last respects:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march20.jpg)
(There will be a horsedrawn hearse in front of the limo, and the band of the Grenadier Guards and a marching party accompanying this funeral with full military honours)

Percy the ice cream man is hoping to cash in on the crowds, whilst PC Plod is investigating a call that there are trespassers inside the derelict house:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march21.jpg)

A mechanic enjoys his fag break lounging outside the garage:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march22.jpg)

The Wookery fire engine has just returned from a "shout":

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march23.jpg)

Bob's burger van waits for hungry customers outside the busy goods shed:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march24.jpg)

Hmmmm....more work needed here I think:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march25.jpg)

And finally a view down the line:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/march26.jpg)

The central section still needs walls and fences put up between the various businesses and the goods yard.
Am I correct in thinking that only main lines have to be fully fenced off?

I also have to install street lights along the road down to the station, and sort out all the wiring underneath for the street lights and building lights.
Will I get it ready for its first outing at the end of October? I hope so!



Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MARK1985 on March 23, 2016, 03:31:46 pm
Great work wookie , level of detail is amazing   :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 23, 2016, 03:50:45 pm
Great work wookie , level of detail is amazing   :greatpicturessign:

Seconded. Very nice :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2016, 04:16:18 pm
Thanks guys.
I'm working on an idea for a diorama at the front of the unfinished end which will be quite stunning if I can get it right  ::)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2016, 05:09:09 pm
Many thanks, Mike, for this set of excellent photos. The layout has really come on very well. You should be very pleased.

All running lines should be fenced or walled off but not individual sidings within an enclosed area (like a yard) which ha an external fence or wall.

It's possible to buy Pickford's Container transfers for the Peco Conflat Containers from Robbie's Rolling Stock: C31   Pickfords 28 White Blue. (Courtesy of Andrew, Perthshire.) But you will need to file off some of the detail, first.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2016, 05:30:20 pm
All running lines should be fenced or walled off but not individual sidings within an enclosed area (like a yard) which ha an external fence or wall.

Hmmm, going to be pretty hard to fence off the conflat area really.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2016, 05:35:05 pm
What about the famous Weymouth line, or the tracks that used to run along the dockside in Ipswich?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2016, 06:40:00 pm
What about the famous Weymouth line, or the tracks that used to run along the dockside in Ipswich?

The Weymouth line was officially classed as a tramway whilst the Ipswich dock lines were on private land I think you'll find.

The container area and the adjacent areas should be fenced off on the roadside but with, of course, an access gateway for each separate area.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Caz on March 23, 2016, 07:31:57 pm
Coming on nicely Mike, some great attention to detail with lots of little cameos, superb.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 24, 2016, 05:21:28 pm
I've been quite busy today, with more progress made.....

I wasn't happy with the start of the brick wall around the chemical store compound, so I ripped it up and started again.
It now has a support column at each corner.
There will be another short section of wall facing the road, with gates across the two driveways, but I can't build that until I have bought some suitable gates and know their sizes.
The owner looks like he has fallen asleep - I have stood him up straight since taking the photo.  :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence6.jpg)

I've built some decrepidated corrugated iron fencing to go along the back of the shabby motor mechanics boundary, to both sides of the garage premises.
There will be more corrugated fencing across the front, with matching gates into the yard.
I would have done that bit today, but I just ran out of energy  :(
I might have a go at making some brambles for the overgrown ground to the right of the garage.
(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence7.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence8.jpg)

Finally, the cold store concrete has been suitably tyre and oil stained, and a smart new brick wall built to three sides.
As with the chemical store, I await some gates before finishing the frontage.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/fence5.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 24, 2016, 07:16:49 pm
Excellent work, Mike. Many thanks for the very good photos. and explanatory captions.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 25, 2016, 08:46:53 pm
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:  & very nice modelling, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 27, 2016, 11:49:54 am
Is there anybody out there with knowledge of mid-60's signalling who can advise me how I should signal my layout please?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 27, 2016, 02:50:21 pm
Excellent modelling.
I love the detailing on the concrete area around the chemical supplies store.
As for signalling, that's a complex topic. Are you looking to use lower quadrant semaphores?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 27, 2016, 03:11:58 pm
As for signalling, that's a complex topic. Are you looking to use lower quadrant semaphores?

No idea mate  :(
I don't know if it needs a gantry or sommat.
I don't know if the goods yard needs signalling, or ground signals or something.
I'll take some photos that concentrate on the line layout and post them.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 27, 2016, 03:29:05 pm
The basic principles are that any line that might carry passengers had to be fully signalled with full-size signals. Ground signals were normal within yards. Very crudely, a yellow distant signal was, normally, placed in advance of a red (stop) signal to prevent trains colliding. Split signals were provided to show which route the train was clear to travel on. The actual terminology and practice was, of course, rather more complex. Plenty of signal diagrams of stations are available online and are a good source for inspiration.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 27, 2016, 03:45:03 pm
OK, here we go:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/track1.jpg)

The four lines coming in from the far end are, L to R, 1) Up main line 2) down main line 3) a through branch line 4) a PRESERVED branch line that terminates here (with run round)


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/track2.jpg)

The five lines, again L to R, 1) siding 2)coaling/water point with engine shed beyond 3) fueling point 4) main line (through branch line joins it) 5) main line


(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/track3.jpg)

Goods yard: the RH track in the foreground is the head shunt. Four lines in distance L to R are 1) delivery line (can't remember the correct term  :-[ ) 2) run round shunting 3) Conflat terminal with goods shed beyond 4) Conflat only

Any help with how it would be signalled and where they would be positioned gratefully received.
Having just read Chris's reply whilst typing this, I assume that the lines to siding, engine shed and refuelling point wouldn't need signals as they wouldn't carry passengers.
PP I think that the preserved line would want semaphores, but think that lights would be more fun to operate on the rest, if they would be correct for 1965.
If I used semaphores everywhere they wouldn't be working, except possibly a Dapol on the preserved line.
I'm guessing that the main line wouldn't need signalling, with maybe a single home semaphore for the branch line that joins it, at the end of the platform?
Would the ternating branch need a double signal as there are two outgoing lines, or would a single do it?

Goods yard I don't have a scooby  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 27, 2016, 04:02:41 pm
Thinking about it, the through branch line will have to be signalled at both ends of platform.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 28, 2016, 10:53:33 am

I take it nobody has any ideas then......  :(

My attempt at brambles hasn't turned out too badly.
The scatter I used probably could have done with being a darker shade of green, but I didn't have any!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/brambles.jpg)
RUST IN PEACE
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on March 29, 2016, 10:27:05 am
Can't help with the signalling question but I can admire the scenic work. :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 29, 2016, 09:08:58 pm
I don't know if these links will be of any help. Plenty of reading though! :goggleeyes:
http://www.signalbox.org/index.php (http://www.signalbox.org/index.php)
http://www.railsigns.uk/home.html (http://www.railsigns.uk/home.html)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 29, 2016, 09:17:44 pm
I seem to recall member edwin_m was a signalling expert @edwin_m (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=863)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2016, 09:20:34 pm
Really excellent scenic work, Mike. I do hope that a signalling expert will help out, otherwise, I will attempt to pass on what I have learnt of WR signalling over the years.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 29, 2016, 10:28:26 pm
I don't know if these links will be of any help. Plenty of reading though! :goggleeyes:
[url]http://www.signalbox.org/index.php[/url] ([url]http://www.signalbox.org/index.php[/url])
[url]http://www.railsigns.uk/home.html[/url] ([url]http://www.railsigns.uk/home.html[/url])


Thanks mate
I've only started reading a little of the first site, but I already now understand the difference between upper and lower quadrant signals, and exactly what a distant signal does  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on March 29, 2016, 10:53:34 pm
You could try going on this site where there are experts in signaling.http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showforum=68 (http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showforum=68)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Kris on March 29, 2016, 11:27:06 pm
Signalling.

The preserved branch - You need to consider how you are using the lines. Do trains depart from each line or is one an arrival line and the other a departure line or are they both by-directional? The run round end may not have been signalled or at most it would have ground signals.

The main line and branch are far harder to signal, the formation is unusual. Again you need to start by considering the moves that you will want to make and ensure that the signalling will allow for them to safely happen.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 30, 2016, 10:23:30 am
@lil chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784)  - I've read the whole signalling part now, very informative  thanks. I learned a lot.

@Kris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4576) - Food for thought. My original intention was to have trains arriving at both platforms of the branch terminus, a mix of locos that need to run round, a railcar and an autocoach. I can see now that this would be a signalling nightmare! I assume that if only one loco at a time were allowed onto either platform, then a single start signal would be suffiecient? I'd quite like to use a single Dapol signal, but I don't think I fancy risking 50 quid plus on their double bracket when it eventually appears!

I think I can safely assume that any mainline signals would be off-layout.

Out of curiosity, has anybody operated semaphores with wire-in-tube in N gauge?
I'm not brave enough to try it!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Kris on March 30, 2016, 05:01:22 pm
Given what you have said about the preserved line I've popped together a quick plan. I have assumed that movements at the far end of the station are not controlled by signals and that the points are released by the signal box but are controlled locally via a ground frame.
Wookery Signal plan
Wookery Signal plan
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 30, 2016, 05:16:22 pm
Thank you Kris, very kind of you
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on March 30, 2016, 08:27:24 pm
Hi there I am glad the link was of use to you, but thank you Kris for your help too. It is nice to know we have someone with signalling experience on the site.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 31, 2016, 03:39:31 pm
The sexton at St Michael's church in Wookery seems to be doing a good job of ensuring that the graveyard is being kept neat and tidy....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/graveyard.jpg)

@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) it looks like one of your forebears was buried here mate  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 31, 2016, 04:12:07 pm
Think you'll have to explain that one, mate ???
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on March 31, 2016, 07:03:39 pm
Odd looking gravestone 4th from the left.... or is it just me (speaking from a psychologists point of view, Freud blah, blah....)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 31, 2016, 07:12:45 pm
Yeah that's what I thought too with my off beat (often bizarre) sense of humour.
I hope that I haven't caused offence Mick, was just a leg pull mate.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 01, 2016, 09:57:36 am
I hope that I haven't caused offence Mick, was just a leg pull mate.

After 5 years on the forum my skin is too thick to take offence, Mike ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 01, 2016, 01:38:38 pm
Glad to hear it mate, would have hated to upset you!
My humour has gotten me into trouble on more than one occasion  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 02, 2016, 05:39:59 pm
I've built the shells of the 12 houses that will comprise the backscene of the left hand module.
This is the beauty of the Scalescenes kits - pay once, build as many as you like.
This brings it to over 20 houses made from the same kit, with lots of variations for the fronts.
Because the road slopes down to the left, the houses will have to sit on wedges to bring them level.
I haven't made up my mind yet whether to sit them in rows of four, all sitting on one wedge, or whether to split them and have two houses with the next two joined but stepping down a level - it will be harder to do that way but may look more striking....why oh why did I make that road slope? It's going to make the backscene very hard too  :(

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/terrace.jpg)

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Kris on April 02, 2016, 06:19:30 pm
I would be putting them in pairs on wedges/cutouts so that the middle where the doors are, are level with the road and the LH one is on a wedge and the RH in a dip.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2016, 06:39:39 pm
Looks good .
I'd not have the houses too uniform. Maybe 2 together then four then three for example.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 03, 2016, 11:23:59 am
 :hellosign: taking shape nicely, just my thought, houses are normally uniform, 2,3 4s ,thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 03, 2016, 11:27:14 am
Yes Derek, my layout is a fictional suburb of Bristol, and there would have been street after street of terraces like these.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 04, 2016, 04:31:28 pm
Phew, I've had a busy building day today!
Having had a long think about it, I decided to go for the easiest to build option.
This section is removable to access track underneath, so has to be fairly sturdy.
Also, both the end modules are temporary, to make it possible to run trains, and to have something to show if I feel that way inclined. Eventually though both these ends will be put to one side when more modules are built. The Wookery station scenic section will then only form the short side of a much larger layout.
The main (front) section will be at least 8 feet long and will consist of a twin mainline on an embankment passing through a very built up housing area - so I will have many many more houses to build then! The other side will probably be a diesel servicing depot, with an 8 foot fiddle yard along the back.

I've only stood the peices in place but I think they look quite effective......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/terrace2.jpg)

Whoops, I never noticed that house front had fallen off  :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/terrace3.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: maridunian on April 04, 2016, 05:48:18 pm
I live the way they 'march' up the hill!

Mike
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 04, 2016, 08:27:13 pm
Look great. :thumbsup: I like the skid marks by the tunnel entrance. I hope no one was hurt.  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 04, 2016, 08:29:57 pm
Very effective, Mike :thumbsup:

I like the skid marks by the tunnel entrance. I hope no one was hurt.  :D

It was the Hole in the Wall Gang wot did it ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 04, 2016, 08:37:28 pm
Looks really good.
Looking forward to seeing further pictures
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on April 04, 2016, 08:52:02 pm
That row of houses is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Marty on April 05, 2016, 05:28:14 am
Very effective Mike. Just like a bought one.

cheers
Marty
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 07, 2016, 04:03:59 pm
OK, I have finished the fronts of all 12 cottages now, and it is time for the roofs
Far be it for a noobie like me to teach you old modelling hands to suck eggs, but I stumbled upon a trick that might help other noobs....


The scalescenes TO22 kit when you download it is enough to build a terrace of 4 complete cottages.
Now I HATE doing the roofs on these models as each strip of tiles has to go on individually.

You get two patterns like this:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof1.jpg)

but if, like me, you are modelling the fronts only, in low relief, you are only using the two square sections at the top.
The other two sections are for part of the rear roof.
However, if you cut out all four pieces squarely, and sellotape them together on the rears so that they line up perfectly like this:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof2.jpg)

As you can see, the sheet of roof tiles is the right width to span all four roof sections in one go!
You can lay the strips across all 4 roofs...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof3.jpg)

Another tip is to leave a piece of white edging as a tag on each strip.
If you drop a piece you still know which way it goes on, as it is important to keep them right so that all the staining keeps in line.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof4.jpg)
(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof5.jpg)

When you get to the top you can wrap the ridge tiles round the edge.
Make sure that you run a brown felt tip along the cut edge first though, as the white edge REALLY stands out if you don't!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof6.jpg)

Then you just flip them over, trim both sides, and carefully cut through the sellotape and tiles with a scalpel....
Voila! Four roofs manufactured in the time it takes to make one!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof7.jpg)

It's then just a case of fitting them:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof8.jpg)

The section of back roofs would normally be wasted, but if you add on a couple of lines (they are 1.5mm apart), and draw in the lines at the correct widths, you can then cut them into four and do exactly the same with them:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/roof9.jpg)

I hope that somebody out there may find this useful  :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: ColinH on April 07, 2016, 04:40:46 pm
Thanks for that idea Wookie I agree those strips of roof tiles can be a real pain in the a**e. Brilliant way to utilise material and time to maximum advantage.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 07, 2016, 06:45:07 pm
Clever bu :censored: r!
But a great idea. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 07, 2016, 09:19:12 pm
Very nice work, Mike. You'll soon have a very attractive street of terraced houses.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 10, 2016, 10:01:15 am
We spent a very pleasant day at Chelmsford & Dist show yesterday.

I picked up a nice little addition to my parcels train:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/guv.jpg)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 10, 2016, 10:39:56 am
Thanks for that excellent photo., Mike. Glad that you had a good time at the show.

If it is in BR Maroon, I have the same ex-LMSR Stove R, so it can work 'through'. You can also use it as a brake van on a milk train.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 10, 2016, 12:25:14 pm
I think it is still in LMS colouring Chris, as it is a bit darker than BR maroon, but it has BR numbering M33018M.
The dealer reckoned that some were still unrepainted by 1968.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 10, 2016, 12:43:31 pm
I think it is still in LMS colouring Chris, as it is a bit darker than BR maroon, but it has BR numbering M33018M.
The dealer reckoned that some were still unrepainted by 1968.

Thanks, John. My BR Maroon Stove R is: M32692M, as best as I can make out. So, I'm not sure what livery yours is, then? I hope to have a BR Crimson one, too, and, if it comes, I'll check its running number.

The Dapol/N Gauge Society versions also included: Stove R parcel van in BR unlined Maroon and numbered M32991M.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 10, 2016, 01:21:34 pm
I must admit that I was impressed with the eye for detail of one guy there - his N layout had telegraph poles with TWELVE strings of wire between them!
He used some kind of very fine elastic, so that even if they got caught by something, they just stretched.
He had overhead power lines with some kind of transformer mounted on the end pole too.
Looked very nice.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 11, 2016, 07:13:27 pm
 :censored:
Completely failed my annual diabetic revue today, so it's back on the metformin  :(
Very frustrating as I had been controlling it nicely by diet for last two years
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 11, 2016, 07:26:46 pm
Very sorry to read that, Mike. I hope that all will be well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 11, 2016, 08:16:16 pm
Not good news, but at least you can control it though maybe in a manner you don't want.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 12, 2016, 03:37:32 pm
Well, after two weeks of hard work, the terraced houses are finished, barring the chimney pots.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/terrace4.jpg)

I'm not happy with them though, and will be selling them at the next show we attend and rebuilding them.

I made two mistakes:
The first was to use some lovely thick card that I was given, instead of my usual dog food packets.
The posh card is too thick and means that the finishing touches - the wall capping and drainpipes - don't quite cover the cut edges to my satisfaction.
The dog packet card is exactly the right thickness.
The second was building the cottages as semis before glueing them together into terraces. It resulted in the middle walls being WAY too thick, and I had to use double width capping and drainpipes in the centre to cover the edges.
They look okay, but only okay, and my eye keeps getting drawn to the faults.
A couple of years ago I would have thought they were excellent and been quite happy with them, but my modelling skills, and discerning eye, have improved.
They have to go  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keerout on April 12, 2016, 04:07:00 pm
Hi Wookie,
Without my glasses, they were looking good..
With them on, I can see what you mean, they look a bit lumpy?
And as they're supposed to be far in the back the windows are a bit deep too..  :hmmm:
Still looking rather good though....
The next run will no doubt be amazing  :)
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 12, 2016, 09:46:07 pm
See what you mean. Better to print out four houses on one sheet. By the way I didn't know that dogs came in packets. :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 19, 2016, 02:21:51 pm
I finally found time to build one of the terraces again, here it is on the left, compared with one of the ones I didn't like.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/terrace5.jpg)

Pretty much a perfect build and it looks a whole lot better!
I so wish that I had only built one terrace as a trial with the new thicker card, instead of constructing all three at once  :(
Ho hum, put it down to experience!

Two more to build now, but I won't get any time this weekend, as we are booked into TWO shows - Rushden on Saturday and Stowmarket on Sunday.
Then I will have to sleep through Monday and Tuesday to recover  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 19, 2016, 02:51:16 pm
That looks a whole lot better, especially without the very thick 'join' between them :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 19, 2016, 04:08:04 pm
Thanks mate.

I don't know if anybody can help me, but I'm toying with an idea.

I'm considering modelling a western region marshalling yard, either as part of the extension to Wookery, or something separate.
I've found references to these ones:
Canons Marsh (Bristol) (GWR), Temple Meads (Bristol) (GWR, MR), St Philips Marsh (Bristol) (GWR), Pylle Hill (Bristol) (GWR), Stoke Gifford (Bristol, for Severn Tunnel GWR), High Orchard Sidings (Gloucester) (GWR), Llantony Docks (Gloucester) (GWR), Westbury (GWR)

Obviously the ones around Bristol interest me the most. Can anybody point me towards a track plan for any of them in the mid-60s please?
I suspect that some of them will be too  :censored: big for me to model, but I'd like to kick the idea around a bit.....possibly before kicking it into touch!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on April 19, 2016, 10:42:26 pm
It may not be quite what you are after but a google search of Malago Vale may bring up some interest for you.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 20, 2016, 09:16:56 am
I found this photo of Canon's Marsh.
It looks like a really interesting area to model!

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw005446 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw005446)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 20, 2016, 10:19:21 am
That looks a whole lot better, especially without the very thick 'join' between them :thumbsup:

Fully agree. Practice does make perfect.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: JasonBz on April 20, 2016, 09:41:16 pm
I must admit that I was impressed with the eye for detail of one guy there - his N layout had telegraph poles with TWELVE strings of wire between them!
He used some kind of very fine elastic, so that even if they got caught by something, they just stretched.
He had overhead power lines with some kind of transformer mounted on the end pole too.
Looked very nice.

That sounds like EZ Line, which is quite fine - though probably a touch overscale for N..
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 26, 2016, 02:30:09 pm
We had a brilliant day at a very busy Stowmarket show on Sunday.
As a nice bonus I picked up two Collett coaches in carmine and cream for a tenner each just before we packed up:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/colletts.jpg)

I had eyed them up at Rushden the day before.
I've been after some for a while, but they are always too much money on evilbay.
I may run them on the preserved branch line, or maybe drag them into service on cheap day excursions to the seaside on the main branchline on summer weekends.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 26, 2016, 07:15:18 pm
Glad that the Stowmarket show on Sunday was such a success, Mike. The two Collett coaches in crimson and cream livery for a tenner each are indeed a bargain and look very good together. They would look fine on the preserved branch line but, in the 1960s or early 1960s could, indeed, be used as part of a cheap day excursion to the seaside on the main branchline on summer weekends.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 10, 2016, 07:55:26 pm
I haven't had time to work on the layout for the last three weeks as I've been too busy with our business.
I bought a new big display stand for the trees, and they all had to be bagged up and priced etc.
It seems to have been a good investment as we had a great day at the Watford show last Saturday.
Our next trip out is Clacton on Sea on the 28th. I need to paint a whole load more of our animals and people before then, as we sold a load over the last two shows - and we go on holiday on the 21st!

As I said, no progress, but I thought I would just post my latest purchase - Preiser mounted German male and female police:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/polizei.jpg)

"German polizei in Bristol?", you will be thinking.
They will be looking very different next time you see them  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on May 10, 2016, 08:42:39 pm
Look at the arse on that horse :goggleeyes: :-X
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 10, 2016, 09:03:39 pm
Surely it's a pair of arses on horses  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2016, 10:55:27 pm
I look forward to the Preiser figures' transformation, Mike.

Glad the sales are going well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mr PJ on May 10, 2016, 11:07:12 pm
Those tall German people in 1:160 scale are perfect as British Police officers in 1:148!
I wouldn't resist that blond lady police officer too much if she needed to handcuff me up....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 12, 2016, 11:22:23 am
@Chris in Prague (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2895)

Hi Chris
You said a while back that you would like to see my painting production line....
Well, here it is - my wife has kindly held up a sheet of paper as a backscene so that the animals can be seen clearly:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/productionline.jpg)

I paint 20 items at a time. I have electrical crodile clips attached to BBQ kebab skewers to hold each item.
I have to be careful when I remove the painted items afterwards as the clips have a strong spring and can easily rip off a leg if not unclipped properly.
I go through them all first using my craft knife to remove all excess bits of plastic from sprues and mould bleed.
You may be able to see that the Belted Galloway cattle have all had their horns removed, as this breed is hornless.
As I use enamel paints only, I find that I don't need to use any sort of cleaner or base coat before painting.
Then I go through the whole batch painting the main colour. The skewers are jammed into the edges of my work box, which is corrugated cardboard - they fit the "tubes" in it rather nicely!
By the time I reach the last one, the first is often dry enough to start again from the other end with the next colour, although I usually leave them a bit longer after this first main coat. On this particular batch, the horses will have white "socks" and a blaze added, and their hooves painted grey. The cattle will have white "belts" added to the Galloways, udders and noses done in pink, horns in ivory and hooves again in grey.
Cattle are done in the colours of Belted Galloway, Hereford, Red Poll, Jersey, Guernsey and Welsh Black. Horses in black or chestnut. Sheep are painted as Suffolks, with black heads, legs and tails. I also do donkeys, which are very popular  :thumbsup:
Sadly, I can't get donkeys in N gauge :(

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 28, 2016, 08:08:04 pm
Absolutely nothing to report on Wookery  :(
We've been on holiday for the past week, and prior to that I was totally tied up painting animals for our next show, as we were virtually sold out!
Our next show was in fact today in Clacton on Sea, and we came home from holiday a day early so that we could attend, as it is a fairly local show for us.
We had a great day out, and I picked up a few more bargains to add to Wookery:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/bargains.jpg)

A Dapol Collett brake composite in c&c for just 8 quid. It has been lightly weathered and a tail lamp added.
It will go nicely with the two I picked up last time out.
Plus 3 wagons at just 2 quid each, one of which is an absolutely mint Dapol 20 tonner!
All unboxed, but who cares  :no:
At these prices  may even have a go at waethering them.......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 28, 2016, 08:37:57 pm
Looks like you got a few bargains there.
Well done.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on May 28, 2016, 08:55:39 pm
I envy you the Dapol 20 tonner as I'd like to get a rake of them :envy:


Sadly, I can't get donkeys in N gauge :(


There are no asses in N gauge :no: They're all in the bigger gauges :-X
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 28, 2016, 09:57:58 pm
I envy you the Dapol 20 tonner as I'd like to get a rake of them :envy:

He actually had two, but they were the same running number, and since a certain person here brainwashed me I don't have any duplicates  :o
I should have bought the other one too really as I could have made a profit on it.....


....and I did manage to find an N gauge donkey for my smallholding diorama in a Preiser set.
I'll have to repaint it though.

So much to do, so little time  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 28, 2016, 10:26:35 pm
A very nice selection of real bargains, there, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 30, 2016, 01:30:24 pm
Our little business, Wookery Nook Scenics now face a facebook page.
I would be really grateful if all my friends on here could become facebook friends and help me to spread the word  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 31, 2016, 08:38:20 am
Our little business, Wookery Nook Scenics now face a facebook page.
I would be really grateful if all my friends on here could become facebook friends and help me to spread the word  :thankyousign:

Have done so, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 31, 2016, 10:03:31 am
Thanks Chris and others  :thumbsup:

I put a link to the WNS facebook page on my profile, but for some reason the link won't work  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: bazzanel on May 31, 2016, 08:37:35 pm
Our little business, Wookery Nook Scenics now face a facebook page.
I would be really grateful if all my friends on here could become facebook friends and help me to spread the word  :thankyousign:

Have done so, Mike.

Me too neighbour                                 ;D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 13, 2016, 03:41:23 pm
Unfortunately all work on Wookery has had to be suspended as we have decided to see if we can move house  :(
The only work likely to be done in the next few weeks is to build transportation cases for it, to keep it safe when we move.
They would be needed to take the layout to shows though, so not work wasted.
Wookery TMD (Separate thread) is virtually finished now though, I just have to build a couple of small goods platforms.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on August 13, 2016, 03:54:59 pm
Hey Ho. Life does get in the way of things railway related at times, eh?
I hope everything goes smoothly with the plans and the actual move, Mike :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on August 13, 2016, 04:08:32 pm
Hope you find a house to suit you both Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 13, 2016, 04:18:28 pm
 :hellosign: Best of luck Mike, hope to hear good news soon
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 13, 2016, 04:35:53 pm
Hope you find a house to suit you both Mike.

At least the missus understands that it has to have a train room or a garage that can be converted.....one has to get one's priorities right  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on August 13, 2016, 05:21:00 pm
Hope you find a house to suit you both Mike.

At least the missus understands that it has to have a train room or a garage that can be converted.....one has to get one's priorities right  :D

That was one of our essential 'must haves', too!

Happy house hunting.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: lil chris on August 13, 2016, 11:23:09 pm
good luck with the house hunting and keep to your priorities, a room is better than a shed or garage any day.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on August 29, 2016, 07:15:12 pm
Just spotted a listing description on eBay that made me smile....... for a Horny transformer  :smiley-laughing:

The mind boggles, sorry just had to share
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2016, 07:24:49 pm
Just spotted a listing description on eBay that made me smile....... for a Horny transformer  :smiley-laughing:

The mind boggles, sorry just had to share

Every home should have one? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: LostBoy30A on September 02, 2016, 08:57:42 am
Isopropyl will do the same as Track Magic but far cheaper.
About Track Magic. I may need new reading glasses, but I think I saw a part of the labelling on it that used a chemical name and in brackets afterwards; (Petroleum) as a content/ingredient. I've just mentioned this elsewhere to other modellers and was told, 'Petrol. Is bad news, except in car engine.'
*Did I misread the label?
*Has anyone else heard of this and any bad effects of the stuff?
*Perhaps someone with a bottle of Track Magic might be kind enough to take a close-up of this tiny print and post it to confirm.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 11, 2016, 12:51:37 pm
Nothing to do with my layout, but something for you diesel-hydraulic fans out there.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/western.jpg)

My grandson's 3rd birthday party, held in the grounds og the Ipswich Model Engineering Society.
I told my wife that if the Western wasn't running I would come straight back home again hahaha

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 11, 2016, 01:28:29 pm
So.......did you get a ride on the train ??
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 11, 2016, 01:31:41 pm
Well, in the interests of being a good grandad, I did feel obliged to take him on it  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 09, 2016, 07:40:40 pm
Well, we sold our house to a lovely young couple  :claphappy:

We also found a beautiful bungalow  :claphappy:

Assuming that everything goes through ok we are hoping to be in for Christmas.

The second bedroom isn't really quite big enough to be a train room, so we have to decided to do a full-scale conversion of the garage into a properly insulated "office" aka train room  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on November 09, 2016, 07:51:04 pm
Well done. :thumbsup:

Hope all goes to plan.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 09, 2016, 08:16:03 pm
Good for you, Mike, and fingers crossed for Christmas in your new home :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on November 09, 2016, 08:22:37 pm
An excellent result. Good luck with the move!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 09, 2016, 08:47:26 pm
Excellent news. I hope all goes to plan as you wish.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 10, 2016, 09:20:04 pm
 :hellosign: Nice one Mike, hope all goes well
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Croxy on November 10, 2016, 09:28:12 pm
Well that's good news and it sounds as though you'll have a great area for your "office work"..........  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 10, 2016, 09:43:37 pm
Good news.
Hopefully all goes to plan and you settle in comfortably.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 22, 2016, 09:35:55 pm
Sadly, no progress has been made on Wookery. We were hoping to have moved house by now, but our buyers haven't had their mortgage offer through so far, so we haven't even exchanged contracts yet.  :(
Solicitors are closed from midday tomorrow until Jan 3rd, so we have to twiddle our thumbs a bit longer.
I'm guessing that we are looking at an end of January move date now, which is a bit frustrating as we are living in a sea of boxes!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/packed.jpg)

Wookery looks a bit sad now, with all the buildings and other bits stripped off and packed away, and the modules separated ready for moving.
The removals company lady that came to give us a quote nearly had a heart attack when she walked into the bedroom and thought they had to move it - not  :censored: likely!  :smiley-laughing:
It will be carefully moved in my car!

One good thing is that while I couldn't do anything on the layout, I have been studying it and thinking about what I *really* want to get out of it.
The upshot is that I have come up with a really good plan for how I want to extend it - More news of this in the New Year  :D

For now I'll just wish you all a very pleasant Christmas and a happy, healthy and peaceful 2017  :beers:



Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 22, 2016, 09:44:10 pm
Thanks for the update, Mike. Very sorry to read about the delay and your having to spend Christmas and New Year living out of boxes.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on December 23, 2016, 09:32:17 am

For now I'll just wish you all a very pleasant Christmas and a happy, healthy and peaceful 2017  :beers:

And to you and yours, Mike.
I hope the sale and move go OK once the buyer's mortgage lender pulls their finger out, and that you're soon esconced in your new home.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on December 23, 2016, 04:53:12 pm
Thanks for the update Mike.
I do hope your move happens without further ado in January.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 13, 2017, 09:16:37 am

Happy New Year chaps.

Well, we finally exchanged contracts for our house move, and we will be moving into our new home in two weeks, on the 27th.
Here's hoping that all the snow will have gone by then!

The stress of waiting for things to be finalised really made me quite ill, so I threw myself into a little modelling:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/emporium.jpg)

It is a representation of my old shop, which holds many happy memories.
It's not structually accurate, but it captures the atmosphere of my old Emporium.
I've also completed two shops in the parade that will abut the Emporium, the first is an extension of the secondhand shop, and next to that a butchers, with realistic window display.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2017, 09:37:49 am
Thanks for the update, Mike. The shop looks excellent. I hope that all goes well with the actual move (not a pleasant process I know, having moved often from 18 years-old for the next three decades).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 13, 2017, 09:57:48 am
Good luck with the move.

I know how stressful the time can be so well done with the very nice shop model.

Look forward to hearing more once you're settled in.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 13, 2017, 06:15:02 pm
Hope the move goes well.
Love the little shop.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on January 13, 2017, 08:58:09 pm
Nice shop. :thumbsup: good luck with the move. I think I've moved house about 30 times in my life. My father started the rot.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 14, 2017, 11:50:40 am
 :hellosign: Wot snow :hmmm: not down here yet. Thanks for the photo, the shop looks spot on & good luck with your move
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 16, 2017, 05:18:08 pm
I'm killing time till the house move by building the rest of the parade of shops.
I'm currently working on the interior of the fish and chip shop:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/chipshop.jpg)

I'm debating whether to try and build the section that sits on top of the serving counter, where they keep the fish warm.
I'm not sure if it is a detail too far in N gauge though, as I doubt that much will be visible through the window....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 16, 2017, 05:28:32 pm
That looks brilliant.
The writing on that menu board must be tiny.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 16, 2017, 05:31:28 pm
Yeah I had a real problem getting a small enough nib  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 16, 2017, 05:32:46 pm
Great modelling Mike. I think that you should go for the complete interior (including fish).  :goggleeyes:

And as PP says, if you can write that small then fish are no problem.

Hope that the house move goes smoothly, we moved to a bungalow a couple of years ago. Really like bungaliving and don't miss the stairs at all.

Have you thought about a garden room rather than converting the garage? Garden rooms can be pricey but they are fully insulated and are a great place to work in any time of year.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MinZaPint on January 16, 2017, 05:45:59 pm
Cod chips and mushy peas for me please! and that counter top warmer would really finish it off!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Sprintex on January 16, 2017, 06:00:24 pm
Brilliant modelling :thumbsup:

Something I'm particularly into, building interiors, even if as you say most people won't notice it through the window ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2017, 06:43:02 pm
Really nice work, Mike. I agree even if not much will be visible through the window it's still fun to make such exquisite interiors. I've been thinking of making simple interiors for the fair food and drink stands for quite a while and you've encouraged me to go ahead.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 16, 2017, 07:01:19 pm
Have you thought about a garden room rather than converting the garage? Garden rooms can be pricey but they are fully insulated and are a great place to work in any time of year.

Nice thought but the garden isn't big enough mate.
I'm beginning to worry that the bungalow itself might not be big enough for all our stuff!
We have taken so much stuff to car boot sales,charity shops and the tip  :o
The garage will be properly converted, with wall roof and floor insulation.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 16, 2017, 08:26:53 pm
I know from experience downsizing from a house to a bungalow can be a fraught business, and I just had my own stuff to worry about!!
Love the chip shop interior, Mike. Is there a guy in there swears he's Elvis? ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 17, 2017, 03:48:35 pm
Cracking bit of modelling there, all the best with the upcoming move.

Jerry
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 17, 2017, 04:32:59 pm
My God, you lot are hard tash masters!
OK, one fish warmer:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/chipshop2.jpg)

I didn't quite get the camera angle right, so you can't see the cod,skate and meat pies inside it!
Looks like I'v knocked the lady in the queue slightly off kilter, so will have to sort her out now!

I think it probably needs a little lift-up section of counter to block the gap at the end....

Oh and by the way, it is glazed  :D ...you can see the guy waiting's reflection in it  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: LostBoy30A on January 23, 2017, 02:18:24 am
Just spotted a listing description on eBay that made me smile....... for a Horny transformer  :smiley-laughing:

The mind boggles, sorry just had to share
*TRANS-FORM-ERS!
-PERVERTS IN DISGUIIIISE!*
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 23, 2017, 09:21:28 am
I'm appealing for a bit of help here regarding the Royal Alex loco.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/alex.jpg)

As many of you know, I love playing trains, but know very little about the prototype  :(
I pre-ordered the limited edition Gaugemaster N version of the Royal Alex some 18 months ago, after I read on their site that the loco was produced between 1962 and 1967.
The picture above comes from the Gaugemaster website and is part of the advertising for the model.
As it has a small yellow panel, I thought it would be fine for my 1965 layout. However, I have since read in one of the magazines that it is being produced in 1980's livery.
So, does anybody out there know which livery the RA was wearing in 1965 please?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2017, 10:12:47 am
I'm afraid, Mike, the Class 73/1 only carried this livery in the post-BR 1980s, principally to work private "Pullman" trains. In the 1960s, it would have carried a light blue (I think) livery followed by BR Blue.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 23, 2017, 10:25:56 am
The headcode states 'Ho' and I believe it's bigger than that :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 23, 2017, 04:39:47 pm
The headcode states 'Ho' and I believe it's bigger than that :hmmm:

Will somebody please get him his coat - and a taxi!!  :doh:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 23, 2017, 04:42:29 pm
The headcode states 'Ho' and I believe it's bigger than that :hmmm:

 :P


As I feared Chris.
It's a shame as it is a lovely looking loco.  :(
I don't know whether to cancel the order, sell it and make a profit (it is cheap) or keep it and rule one applies...
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 23, 2017, 04:45:10 pm
The headcode states 'Ho' and I believe it's bigger than that :hmmm:

 :

As I feared Chris.
It's a shame as it is a lovely looking loco.  :(
I don't know whether to cancel the order, sell it and make a profit (it is cheap) or keep it and rule one applies...
If you have some Pullman stock for it to haul then keep it. I think it will look odd at the head of any other passenger stock but.....it's your call.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 23, 2017, 04:52:08 pm
Like loads of folk, I've been waiting almost 2 years for my 73 order.

The latest ETA info I have is 'end of January' but end of XXX has been quoted many times before.

Hoping to see it this year so it can be at the front of my Pullman coaches.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: 25901JFM on January 23, 2017, 08:10:46 pm
73101 was previously named "Brighton Evening Argus". Named in December 1980, it was temporarily re-numbered 73100 for the naming ceremony only.  It carried that name until April 1992.  It was named "The Royal Alex" in May 1992.

Hope this is of Interest.

John 
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 26, 2017, 04:09:58 pm

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/stolen.jpg)

OK, who stole Wookery?
Come on, own up!


 :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 26, 2017, 04:23:01 pm
Police said the thief left no tracks.  ;)

Dave G

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 26, 2017, 04:24:09 pm
Looking good (not guilty melud)  :o

Hope that all goes well with the move and that you are back up running soon.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on January 26, 2017, 04:29:28 pm
That's one helluva size sky backscene :goggleeyes:.
At least the thieves left that behind.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 26, 2017, 05:12:49 pm
I just *KNEW* that you load of smartarses wouldn't be able to resist my lead  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on January 26, 2017, 09:12:55 pm
I just *KNEW* that you load of smartarses wouldn't be able to resist my lead  :smiley-laughing:

i see no point in that. I think you should settle down in a chair and hopefully not get a flat bottom. :P
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 27, 2017, 08:50:43 pm
The wookie has landed  :D

...and the nice Virgin man turned up exactly as arranged and connected our phone TV and broadband.

We are back in the world......
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2017, 08:53:18 pm
Great news wookie. Time for a rest I would imagine. :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 09:21:34 pm
Excellent news, Mike. Time to crack open a celebratory bottle?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 28, 2017, 07:28:31 am
Splendid!

No excuses for not keeping us updated now.  :no:

All the best in your new home. :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on January 29, 2017, 05:43:51 pm
The good news is that it looks like I might well get the whole garage for a mancave, not just part of it  :D

I feel a 16' layout coming on  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Maurits71 on January 29, 2017, 06:17:55 pm
is that all
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on January 29, 2017, 07:17:34 pm
Now you two, stop that 'Mine's bigger than yours' at once!  :thankyousign:

Regards

Jealous of Worcester  :wave:

Dave G



Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2017, 07:30:06 pm
The good news is that it looks like I might well get the whole garage for a mancave, not just part of it  :D

I feel a 16' layout coming on  :smiley-laughing:
A small extension to the garage would allow you 20feet. Shouldn't cost too much extra  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 03, 2017, 10:09:29 am
Finally managed to get the second bedroom straight, and moved Wookery from the garage.
Only just in time - the backscene had started to crinkle and lift!
Seems to have straightened itself out now it's in the warm.
Very frustrating as the whole backscene comes off, and I could have stored it indoors!

One of the neighbours came over for a chat - turns out he was an engine driver for 37 years, based in Stratford, East London.
He told me that anoither chap across the road has got an O gauge garden layout.

I think I'm going to like it here  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2017, 11:24:09 am
Sounds great, Mike. I really hope all will be as you'd wish.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 03, 2017, 01:28:11 pm

He told me that anoither chap across the road has got an O gauge garden layout.

I think I'm going to like it here  :smiley-laughing:

I'm sure you can show him the error of his ways such that he goes 'N'uts :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 03, 2017, 02:01:57 pm
No no no! It will be fun to play big trains  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on February 03, 2017, 02:46:05 pm
No no no! It will be fun to play big trains  :D

You may have to bring your own coal!  ;)

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on February 03, 2017, 02:48:15 pm
Finally managed to get the second bedroom straight, and moved Wookery from the garage.
Only just in time - the backscene had started to crinkle and lift!
Seems to have straightened itself out now it's in the warm.
Very frustrating as the whole backscene comes off, and I could have stored it indoors!

One of the neighbours came over for a chat - turns out he was an engine driver for 37 years, based in Stratford, East London.
He told me that anoither chap across the road has got an O gauge garden layout.

I think I'm going to like it here  :smiley-laughing:

Where is this heaven, and when can I move there!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 03, 2017, 05:04:08 pm
My bad.....my very very bad!
New toys, lots of new toys.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newbuys.jpg)

Sadly one of our club members passed away a couple of months ago, and at last night's meeting one of the members was selling some of his rolling stock on behalf of the widow.
The chap had already set the prices before he died - he had suffered a long fight with the big C.

I went a little mad  :(
Well........I haven't bought anything for ages!

So, I now have 6 Gresleys in maroon, plus a buffet in C&C
2 Staniers in C&C
5 Mk I Pullmans (or should that be Pullmen?  :D )
1 autocoach in C&C
Oh and an Oxford Diecast Jaguar.
£160 the lot.

OK, I hear you all screaming "But you model Western Region 1965 around Bristol"
Yes I do, but when the Midland Pullman came out I had to have one, so I decided that today is FA Cup third round day, and that Bristol Rovers have been drawn against Aston Villa, and the board of directors chartered the BP for their players and guests to travel in style.
I just found out that in an incredible coincidence, many of the clubs around Bristol have been drawn at home to big clubs, and so there are many "Football Specials" running today! Of course, in the mid 60's football hooliganism was bad, and many football trains got smashed up, so many train operators pulled out their oldest rolling stock for the specials. Old Gresleys and Staniers are just perfect  :smiley-laughing:
I think the Pullmans will be used as a charter trip for the Southampton FC board of directors, and the others will be fans specials.
So now I have to figure out which diesels I will be using to haul these new additions, something Southern, something Midland and an Eastern.
They have to be available and DCC ready. I could have had a nice Deltic with this lot, but it was DC.
So......suggestions please for locos.
The Staniers will be a fans special for the Aston Villa fans. I am open to suggestions for the team using the Gresleys.

It should add a whole new dimension to operations on Wookery.... I might even buy a few old green coaches too so there can be a fans special from Southampton.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on February 03, 2017, 08:20:35 pm

So now I have to figure out which diesels I will be using to haul these new additions, something Southern, something Midland and an Eastern.
They have to be available and DCC ready. I could have had a nice Deltic with this lot, but it was DC.
So......suggestions please for locos.
The Staniers will be a fans special for the Aston Villa fans. I am open to suggestions for the team using the Gresleys.

It should add a whole new dimension to operations on Wookery.... I might even buy a few old green coaches too so there can be a fans special from Southampton.

Footie specials? My favourite fallback :D
Southern Region - the new Dapol class 33
Midland Region - class 24/25/40/44/45/46
Eastern Region - class 26 (Only D5300-D5319)/class 37/47

Gresleys - across from Norwich City??
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2017, 08:27:30 pm
That's an impressive haul Mike. Well done on bagging that lot.
Football specials conjure up many memories for me. I'm a Bristol City fan so we don't mention "the gas" in our house.
Have fun creating those specials.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 04, 2017, 09:16:30 am
Footie specials? My favourite fallback :D
Southern Region - the new Dapol class 33
Midland Region - class 24/25/40/44/45/46
Eastern Region - class 26 (Only D5300-D5319)/class 37/47

Gresleys - across from Norwich City??

The new 33 looks good, and quite distinctive. I'm a bit confused why Hattons have listed the SMY version as period 6 as all my diesels have SMY and are period 5.
Anyway, I like it in the green version  :thumbsup:
I would really like the locos to be very different from  anything WR were running at the time,
Would a Deltic pulling the Gresleys full of Newcastle fans be appropriate?
Quite like the tractor for pulling the Midland coaches - not sure if 40's were in use by WR though.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: 25901JFM on February 05, 2017, 03:45:50 pm
To the best of my knowledge the WR never had any 40's allocated.  However a Saltey driver would probably take one anywhere he had route knowledge and further!  That said 40's did work on to the Western.  I've seen a photo of a green 40 in the 1960's heading south through Oxford on a freight working.  I've also seen a picture of a 40 in the Southampton area in the 1980's on a freightliner, very much a one off working.  In the early 1980's 40's were not unknown in South Wales working freights from the North West to Severn Tunnel Jn via Hereford and the 12:15 Penzance - Glasgow vans was also known to get the odd 40 working the train forward from Bristol. I believe this was also booked to run via Severn Tunnel Jn and Hereford.  It is also possible that the odd 40 may have worked in to Bristol from Birmingham on inter-regional services in the 1960's.
47's would also have been a possibility for a working off the Midland, I would have thought.  Although to be fair my knowledge of this timeframe is limited as I wasn't born until 1967 and I didn't really start to take a real interest in trains until 1979 / 1980.
Hope this is of interest / help.
John

 
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Gary Burcombe on February 05, 2017, 04:48:51 pm
knowing Mike's penchant for super detail, I look forward to the coaches filled with fans in team shirts and scarves   
 fluttering from the vent windows.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on February 23, 2017, 04:40:16 pm
Well, storm Doris did her best to put the mockers on things, but a door opening has now been cut into the side of the garage, and a UPVC door purchased from Evilbay and brought home on my roof bars (interesting experience!) has been fitted into the gap.... so work on the mancave has started!
The huge clouds of dust blowing around in the gales when the brickwork was cut with an angle grinder were a sight to see - I think the neighbours 100 yards either side must know we have had work done!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 01, 2017, 07:31:54 pm
Two coats of thick gooey bitumous rubbery stuff slapped on the floor today to seal it from damp.
First coat dried within an hour, second coat sitting on top of it and still wet.  :(
Hopefully it will have dried by the morning.

Then it will be waiting on the electrickery man to find us a slot to do first fix.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 01, 2017, 07:33:27 pm
Lets hope it is indeed dry by morning.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on March 02, 2017, 06:37:13 am
Lets hope it is indeed dry by morning.
Otherwise you'll need wellies to go in! :laugh:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 02, 2017, 11:08:44 am
No, it's nice and dry this morning.
First fix electrics going in on Saturday, plasterboarding end of week.

It's beginning to look a lot like........a railway room  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 02, 2017, 02:06:41 pm
It's beginning to look a lot like........a railway room  :D

Christmas 365 days a year 24/7 :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2017, 08:45:21 am
Nothing to report progress-wise on Wookery, but there has been a leap forward on the train room front:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/trainroom1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/trainroom2.jpg)

The second photo is looking back towards the garage door. A stud wall with 75mm insulation has been buiilt immediately behind the door.
The UPVC door was an evilbay bargain, brought home on my roofrack. All that glass made it so heavy it was a terrifying journey!

It will all be plastered today, then will have to be left a week to dry out, before a slap of paint can go on, then second fix electrics, skirting boards, thick underlay and carpet.
I'm guessing about two weeks before Wookery moves into its new home  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on March 12, 2017, 09:01:34 am
That looks like it's going to be a very nice train room!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 12, 2017, 09:23:38 am
That looks like it's going to be a very nice train room!

My thoughts too. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 12, 2017, 09:44:33 am
Very nice mancave, Mike :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2017, 11:15:18 am
Looks excellent.
Looking forward to moving in day for the layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2017, 11:37:36 am
It looks even better now it's had the first coat of plaster slapped on.
I can't wait to get in there!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 12, 2017, 06:53:04 pm
My "Royal Alex" arrived a couple of days ago:

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/alex.jpg)

I haven't even been able to run it yet as a) it doesn't have a DCC chip yet and b) my layout is in pieces awaiting its new home.

It doesn't fit my era.









I don't care, I love it!  8)
I claim RULE ONE!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2017, 08:29:55 am
That's certainly a very nice collection of additional rolling stock, Mike. Whilst the death of their former owner is tragic it's good that they have gone to a new home where they will be appreciated and run.

There is an interesting choice of locos. which could work your football specials. From the LMR: Class 40s and 47s, from the ER: Class 31s, 37s, and 47s (maybe, 40s?). From the SR: Class 33s. Up to and including 1967, from the LMR and ER: "Jubilees" and the SR, Bulleid Pacifics (both Light and "Merchant Navy"). And, no, the WR never had any Class 40s allocated but they certainly did work onto the region.

The layout room looks very promising.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2017, 09:03:56 am
Thanks for that Chris.
Yes, the trainroom is coming on very nicely. The plaster is drying out well.
We have carpet ordered for laying on 6th April, so then the fun will begin.  :D

I don't care, I love it!  8)
I claim RULE ONE!

Despite this bold statement, I am still having grave reservations about the "Royal Alex".
There are so many other locos that I want that *do* fit my era, but can't afford them, that it seems silly hanging onto one that although I love it, doesn't fit.   :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: johnlambert on March 15, 2017, 10:24:36 am

Despite this bold statement, I am still having grave reservations about the "Royal Alex".
There are so many other locos that I want that *do* fit my era, but can't afford them, that it seems silly hanging onto one that although I love it, doesn't fit.   :(

In that situation my approach is usually:

1. Sell the item
2. Feel remorse because it was so nice to have
3. Buy another as a replacement (usually more expensive or less good than the one I sold)

I'm not saying this is a good plan, but it's what happens.  :-[
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2017, 01:09:04 pm
Sadly I think that you are probably right John. I am slowly building up stock from c&c era,  and a few GWR so that I can run in an earlier periods sometimes, but I feel that to jump to the 80s is just too much. Maybe I'm better evilbaying it and use the cash for a new 33 😈
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 15, 2017, 03:59:10 pm
The Dapol Class 33s are very nice models. Being a limited edition (?), your Class 73 should have a good resale value which will only increase over time, like the Desert Sand D1000 models; so, if you do sell then want to buy one back, later, as John says, it may well cost rather more. It is better to keep to a specific time period as it prevents buying an ever-expanding fleet!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 22, 2017, 11:27:45 am
Quick update on the mancave.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/mancave1.jpg)

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/mancave2.jpg)

I thought sky blue would be a good background colour for photographs.  :D

Finished size is 16' x 8'

The plan is that Wookery is going to expand from 7'6" x 2'6" to 14' x 3'6" and will include a massive fiddle yard.
I already got the necessary 12 sets of medium points for less than 20 quid at a show  :thumbsup:
I'll then be able to watch full length trains go round, which is what I realised I enjoy most.

Just waiting for my sparky to come back and do second fix electrics at the end of next week, then the carpet goes in the following week.


Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: maridunian on March 22, 2017, 11:54:38 am
I thought sky blue would be a good background colour for photographs.  :D

Good idea!

Mike
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 22, 2017, 12:11:58 pm
So........where will the sofa be going so you can sit and watch the trains?
And don't forget the little table - needed so that you can safely put down your glass.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 22, 2017, 12:47:53 pm
Coming along very well, Mike. I agree the sky blue wall colour is an excellent idea. I envy you all that space.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 22, 2017, 02:15:55 pm
If you make it too comfortable someone might well move in :angel: :angel: ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on March 22, 2017, 03:33:07 pm
If you make it too comfortable someone might well move in :angel: :angel: ;)

I think a great many people might want to move into this space  ;D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 22, 2017, 04:45:17 pm
If you make it too comfortable someone might well move in :angel: :angel: ;)

I've already been told that if I give her indoors any trouble I'll find my bed out there.  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 22, 2017, 04:53:49 pm
If you make it too comfortable someone might well move in :angel: :angel: ;)

I've already been told that if I give her indoors any trouble I'll find my bed out there.  :(
:laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 22, 2017, 09:14:13 pm
The blue certainly shows up the paint pots well! :D
That's going to be one great man cave. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 25, 2017, 06:54:01 pm
I've been bad!
Oh boy, so bad!
I've been spending lots of money!

In my defence I got everything at very good prices.....and my missus was with me and didn't bat an eyelid!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/class33.jpg)

A new Dapol Class33 to pull my string of Pullmans. It's FA Cup day and Southampton are playing in Bristol and the directors have chartered a Pullman special.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/class37.jpg)

A new weathered Farish class37 to pull my Gresley stock - Ipswich Town have been drawn at Bath City and this is a fans special.
A little out of focus, sorry.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/pullmans.jpg)

I'm delighted to have picked up the Bachman Collectors Club special edition mk! Pullman brake.
I also bought the stove R in Pullman livery, thinking it would be a good baggage car. Unfortunately when I got home I realised that it is pre-war Pullman livery.
I'll probably sell it on - I should get a price that will cover most of what I paid for all 3 Stove R's.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/stoves.jpg)

The other two stoves, to augment my parcels fleet.

Purists LOOK AWAY now!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/thomas.jpg)

Picked up one of the very rare Thomas the Tank engine sets by Tomix to entertain the grandkids and also to amuse teenies at the shows.
I'm going to get it DCC fitted.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on March 25, 2017, 07:04:03 pm
It looks like money well spent.  :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2017, 07:09:35 pm
Congratulations, Mike, on getting the BR Green Class 33 you were after nd the other very nice models, too. I particularly like the Stove R's and was able to buy, secondhand, for good prices, a BR Crimson and a BR Lined Maroon one for use as milk train guard's vans but, you're right, they could be used in parcels trains, too, albeit not ones that travelled at high speed. The Pullman livery Stove R is a model of one preserved which now carries that livery which they never did in normal service.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 25, 2017, 08:42:13 pm
I sold the Royal Alex Chris and it was enough to buy the 33 😊
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2017, 08:54:08 pm
I sold the Royal Alex Chris and it was enough to buy the 33 😊

Glad to read that, Mike, as nice as the "Royal Alex" model is it is entirely out of your time period whereas the Class 33 is not and can also be used on inter-regional goods and parcels services. How's your parcels train? 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 25, 2017, 08:57:16 pm
I'll show you in a couple of weeks 😊
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2017, 09:14:33 pm
I'll show you in a couple of weeks 😊

I look forward to that, Mike. If I get some spare time and sunshine, I'll post some pictures of mine. 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 25, 2017, 09:40:10 pm
In my defence I got everything at very good prices.....and my missus was with me and didn't bat an eyelid!

Very nice purchases, you naughty man :telloff:
Presumably your wife is still trying to unglue her eyelids from her eyebrows which you did while she was asleep last night.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on March 31, 2017, 10:47:31 am
Oh   :censored:  :veryangry:

Just when things get exciting with the new railway room, I end up in hospital again!

Rushed in cos my heart went mad again  :(

Back out and on new meds now, so fingers crossed.

Electrics in the room all done yesterday, just waiting for carpet next week now.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: MrDobilina on March 31, 2017, 10:51:54 am
@wookie (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3504) Hope you are feeling better soon! Hearts are fickle things indeed  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: jonclox on March 31, 2017, 10:53:34 am
 :doh: Take things easy and try not to rush anything but I hope you get better soon
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on March 31, 2017, 11:54:58 am
Very sorry to hear that, Mike.
I hope the new meds keep the ticker under control.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on March 31, 2017, 12:29:40 pm
Just try to keep  8) man
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 31, 2017, 05:27:02 pm
Very sorry to read about your health problems, Mike. I do hope that all will now be well so that you can enjoy your new layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on March 31, 2017, 06:18:46 pm
Take it easy Mike.
Hope you are back to good health soon.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on March 31, 2017, 09:07:12 pm
I'd put it down to getting the train room almost ready. :)
Take it easy and and are on the road to recovery.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 01, 2017, 12:45:49 pm
Thanks for your kind thoughts guys.

More minor palpitations this morning.
If the doc's diognosis is correct this is going to be a rather regular thing  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 05, 2017, 11:31:06 am
24 hrs until playtime  :D
I haven't run a train for around 9 months, just busting to get started again!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Milton Rail on April 06, 2017, 03:29:54 pm
Hope playtime was fun time :)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2017, 10:20:22 am
Hope playtime was fun time :)

Seconded!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 11:45:24 am
Thanks guys.
I didn't get up and running quite as fast as I hoped  :(
I had to do a bit of soldering to install main wiring bus connectors between the modules, then spend a WHOLE DAY trying to get the  :censored: track to run, cleaning and cleaning the point blades. Finally have the two main lines running ok.
Then I tried to test run the two new locos on DC, using a brand new basic Hornby controller that I bought for the job.
The trouble is, the second the loco derails something trips in the controller.
There doesn't appear to be a reset button. You have to sit around for 15 minutes waiting for it to sort itself out.
In the end I decided  :censored: it and fitted the DCC chips.
Class 37, no problem.
Class 33 an absolute PIG to get the body off!!

I give up! I'll try to get the vid to work later  :(

Doesn't the blue background look great?  :bounce:

Both still set to CV3, so both running in the same direction.
Apparently the class 33 has a switch to turn off back lights......just gotta find where it is to switch them ON hahahaa
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2017, 11:51:06 am
Alas, Mike, I'm seeing: This video is unavailable.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 09, 2017, 11:54:07 am
Likewise.
The switch on the 33 is underneath on the battery boxes, Mike
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on April 09, 2017, 11:54:56 am
Alas, Mike, I'm seeing: This video is unavailable.
Same here.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 11:55:51 am
Alas, Mike, I'm seeing: This video is unavailable.

How about now?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 11:56:44 am
The switch on the 33 is underneath on the battery boxes, Mike

Ah, here was I thinking it is CV controlled hahahaha
Thanks mate
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on April 09, 2017, 01:48:00 pm
Alas, Mike, I'm seeing: This video is unavailable.

How about now?
Now the link has disappeared from the post.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 02:01:41 pm
Yeah I gave up and took it off for now...I'll try later
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 03:56:19 pm


The link works for me....maybe a mod can take a look at it and fix it.......

 :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: railsquid on April 09, 2017, 04:18:17 pm
The Youtube permissions on the video are set to private, nothing the mods can fix.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 04:41:49 pm
That's strange cos I set it to public.....I'll take another look in a minute.
Both new logos have CVs set now and I'm just relaxing watching them go round and round......bliss 😊
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 05:22:05 pm
I think I fixed it now.....
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on April 09, 2017, 06:34:40 pm
It's fine now - two locos racing!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 09, 2017, 07:26:43 pm
Good to see you back up and running!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 09, 2017, 08:12:59 pm
 Good to see trains running again.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 09, 2017, 08:42:07 pm
It's fine now - two locos racing!

Which won? :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 09, 2017, 09:17:40 pm
The 37 by a mile. It very quickly lapped the 33
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Milton Rail on April 10, 2017, 03:06:40 pm
Great to see
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 10, 2017, 08:16:49 pm
I had two friends from my model railway club come to see the new railway room and my layout this afternoon.
I was the first time anybody outside my family has seen it and I was very nervous.
It is also the first time that the whole layout together with backscenes and all the vehicles etc has ever been fully assembled.

To mark the occasion I took a short (very poor quality) vid of the scenic area.
I hope that it will give you a "feel" for Wookery...

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on April 10, 2017, 08:31:29 pm
Well........brilliant. I love it.
I particularly like that retaining wall with the busy street scene above.
All looks very realistic.
Just one thing..........more pictures and videos please  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on April 10, 2017, 08:43:07 pm
Great :thumbsup:  A repeat performance please. Typical though, people waiting for a train and it goes past on another line :confused1:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 10, 2017, 08:48:44 pm
Most enjoyable vid of a very good looking layout, Mike :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on April 10, 2017, 09:35:53 pm
Nice one!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 14, 2017, 05:24:16 pm

Driving to visit my mum this afternoon, we were passed by a car with the reg DC52DCC
Wouldn't it be nice if he's a Western Region rail modeller?  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on April 14, 2017, 08:11:35 pm
I wonder if it was an electric car with just 2 wires or a load of switches :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Steamie+ on April 15, 2017, 05:52:09 am
Well again this is one seriously impressive layout, you have done a brilliant job on the tracks and the scenery, the modelling is brilliant. Where did you get the footbridge from and who’s is it please.

Well impressed.      :wonderfulmodelling: :heart: it!!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 15, 2017, 09:04:08 am
Well, thanks very much for those kind words, it is very encouraging!
As it is my first ever build I have been very unsure all along whether I was doing it right.

The footbridge is a Ratio kit, available from all good hobby shops  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Webbo on April 15, 2017, 09:29:03 am
Looks terrific wookie.

I like especially the way your backdrop melds with the layout, the coal yard and the church with cemetery.

Webbo
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on April 15, 2017, 09:40:16 am
I agree with all above comments.  :thumbsup:

However watching it as I am on me phone over a beer here in Oz, are those rare Farish pullmans with close couplings?  :beers:

George
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on April 15, 2017, 09:47:29 am
However watching it as I am on me phone over a beer here in Oz, are those rare Garish pullmans with close couplings?  :beers:

For taunting me with a beer I'm not going to tell you  :P

They're just standard GF Mk1s George
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on April 15, 2017, 09:50:01 am
Sorry, must be the lighting.

Or the beer. :beers:

Anyway it's too early for a beer for you  ;D

George
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 16, 2017, 07:50:53 am
Sorry, must be the lighting.

Or the beer. :beers:

Anyway it's too early for a beer for you  ;D

George

Never too early for a beer? Sun must be over the yardarm somewhere in the world...  :beers:

Looking great Wookie.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Steamie+ on April 16, 2017, 08:25:44 am
Sorry, must be the lighting.

Or the beer. :beers:

Anyway it's too early for a beer for you  ;D

George

Never too early for a beer? Sun must be over the yardarm somewhere in the world...  :beers:

Looking great Wookie.

Agree Keith  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 19, 2017, 07:31:02 pm
Nothing much to report on Wookery I'm afraid as I've been too busy with house and garden following our house move.
I did manage to paint a few bikes and scatter them around with quite good effect - I'll try to take some pics.

However, I have a question. I know I've sen it somehwere on here before but  :censored: if I can find it!
How far apart should lineside (and street if different) telegraph poles be in N?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on May 19, 2017, 07:39:30 pm
Nothing much to report on Wookery I'm afraid as I've been too busy with house and garden following our house move.
I did manage to paint a few bikes and scatter them around with quite good effect - I'll try to take some pics.

However, I have a question. I know I've sen it somehwere on here before but  :censored: if I can find it!
How far apart should lineside (and street if different) telegraph poles be in N?
Over the years, I have reckoned that 40 yards is a good rule of thumb.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on May 19, 2017, 07:55:46 pm
Nothing much to report on Wookery I'm afraid as I've been too busy with house and garden following our house move.
I did manage to paint a few bikes and scatter them around with quite good effect - I'll try to take some pics.

However, I have a question. I know I've sen it somehwere on here before but  :censored: if I can find it!
How far apart should lineside (and street if different) telegraph poles be in N?
Over the years, I have reckoned that 40 yards is a good rule of thumb.
That's an awful long way in N Lawrence  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on May 19, 2017, 08:12:24 pm
Here goes, Mike :)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=25154.msg269153#msg269153 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=25154.msg269153#msg269153)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 20, 2017, 07:01:25 am
Nothing much to report on Wookery I'm afraid as I've been too busy with house and garden following our house move.
I did manage to paint a few bikes and scatter them around with quite good effect - I'll try to take some pics.

However, I have a question. I know I've sen it somehwere on here before but  :censored: if I can find it!
How far apart should lineside (and street if different) telegraph poles be in N?

Hi Wookiee, I had a similar question a few months back. You can find the design manual for power lines on the uk power networks website. In short though, there is a max distance (which I think I put in my thread) but this is invariably not used (especially on our models) where terrain and contours require a shorter distance. So in effect, use anything that fits the land and looks right.

Max distance is 70 metres (prototype!!!)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 20, 2017, 09:16:22 am
 :doh: senior moment, answer the question asked!!!   :sorrysign:

BUT it would seem that telegraph poles use similar spacing to power line poles, 200 feet (prototype) max.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on May 20, 2017, 02:37:08 pm
Thanks guys
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 06, 2017, 10:27:36 am
Rumours of my death are greatly exaggerated  :bounce:
...although I have had two more emergency hospital admissions since my last post!
During the last one they were going to fit a pacemaker, then changed their minds  :veryangry:

Anyway.....more important things......

AT LAST work is recommencing on Wookery, having finished minor things like redesigning our new garden, decorating the bedroom etc etc etc

A new table has been bought for the 6'6" extension to Wookery, bringing overall length to 14'.
Two new base boards are being planned, to be constructed by friends at the club who are much more proficient carpenters than myself!
The new area will be very dramatic, to say the least - I'll say no more at the moment. The good news is that the new plans will incorporate a 9' fiddle yard to the rear!
No more tiny trains for me! There will be two lanes for each line, so the potential to have 8 full length trains ready to run, or 6 if I want to have one running continuously.

The mainline tracks will be taking a sweeping curve across the new boards, which was necessitated by an obstacle that couldn't be demolished or built over/through.
I scratched my head for a long time as to what this could be, and had almost decided on a large bay of water (a waste of good modelling space) when Scalesenes announced their latest new product.....

A CASTLE!
Perfect!
This will now be smack dab in the foreground.
I started work on it yesterday. I have always said that their models are so strong, they are almost over-engineered.
What do you think of this, it is just the BASE that the castle will stand on.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/base.jpg)

Strong enough, do you think?  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on September 06, 2017, 04:30:22 pm
Good to hear from you again, Mike.


Strong enough, do you think?  :D

Would it withstand 20,000 orcs though? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2017, 04:50:58 pm
Very good to have an update from you, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on September 06, 2017, 06:10:10 pm
Good to hear from you again, Mike.


Strong enough, do you think?  :D

Would it withstand 20,000 orcs though? :hmmm:

Mick's asking orcward questions again!  ::)

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 06, 2017, 06:26:39 pm
Would it withstand 20,000 orcs though? :hmmm:
I don't think they get orcs in Bristol Mick unless they are the City supporters :D
This is just the frame work for the rock base that the castle sits on.
The walls have started to go up now, hopefully another pic tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on September 06, 2017, 06:28:28 pm
Hey......that's my team you're talking about there  :D
Looks strong enough to stand on to me!
And good to see you back Wookie. Take care.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 06, 2017, 06:52:54 pm
Hey......that's my team you're talking about there  :D
Looks strong enough to stand on to me!
And good to see you back Wookie. Take care.

I know mate, that's why I said City! Hahaha
And yes, I said the same to my missus. All their stuff is extremely strong. Walls usually have 3 thicknesses of card, which makes them bombproof!
Speaking of which, I just remembered that I have some ruined castle walls somewhere in my boxes of bits - I think Oliver Cromwell might have reached Wookey  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2017, 01:47:02 pm
...............hopefully another pic tomorrow......................

Okay, I lied  :D

I had a major disaster with the castle when I glued two turrets into the wrong places!
I had to cut them out, which ruined two of the facing walls.
Luckily, with Scalescenes, all I had to do was peel off the cover layer, print another, paste it on, and I was back in business.  :bounce:

The castle is now finished......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/castle.jpg)

I'm not sure whether I will keep it, or sell it and make another one.
It hasn't come together quite right - the forebuilding wall should be flush with the main castle wall.
It looks ok though, I'll see how I feel. It took me four days to build, but I'm sure that I could make it better next time.
I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend it as a beginners model, as it is quite complicated.

I have yet to decide whether it will be a stand-alone display, or have some sort of wall round it. I have some cast plaster ruined castle walls, but they look very puny and lightweight next to it - this is a BIG model and I think it would have had substantial walls. Scalescenes do sheets of ashlar stone paper to match the castle, but I'm not at all sure that my scratchbuilding skills are up to building walls that wouldn't be put to shame by the main building!

So, for now, on to my next project - the first of two or possibly three rail over road bridges for the new sections.
You guessed it - Scalescenes again.  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: PeteW on September 12, 2017, 04:13:35 pm
Looks impressive from here. As for scratchbuilding walls, it looks like you could use the wall/crenellation from the model (the flat bits on the towers) as a template rather easily. Good job though.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on September 12, 2017, 05:08:11 pm
Yeah I thought I could put some turrets in the walls that way too.
It's knowing what height and thickness of wall would look right that is the problem, as well as things like gateways, ramparts etc.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: PeteW on September 12, 2017, 11:36:08 pm
Yeah I thought I could put some turrets in the walls that way too.
It's knowing what height and thickness of wall would look right that is the problem, as well as things like gateways, ramparts etc.

The joy of the internet! (Google 'Scottish castles' and 'castle gateways' for starters) - there's lots of possibilities: broken down walls, no walls at all, moats, and simple walls are always a possibility. Also natural rock outcrops instead of walls.

As for thickness, most castle walls I've seen are wide enough for a couple of armed lairy blokes to pass side by side, so maybe five or six feet - still only 10-12mm in N gauge.

Go for it!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 04, 2017, 06:41:48 pm
First base extension base board was finished today.
It looks "interesting" hahahaha
Hopefully the second one tomorrow.
Photos to follow.

They are being made by mates from my club - way beyond my carpentry skills!

On the health front, more heart problems - pacemaker being fitted on the 15th!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 04, 2017, 06:58:34 pm
First base extension base board was finished today.
It looks "interesting" hahahaha
Hopefully the second one tomorrow.
Photos to follow.

They are being made by mates from my club - way beyond my carpentry skills!

On the health front, more heart problems - pacemaker being fitted on the 15th!
Take it easy. At least until the pacemaker is in place!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 04, 2017, 07:40:16 pm
Definitely take care, Mike. Glad to read of the progress with the baseboards. I look forward to photos. in due course. No hurry, please.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 04, 2017, 08:22:22 pm
Take care of yourself, Mike, and listen to them there docs.
The layout progress is, at least, secondary to your health.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 05, 2017, 07:28:10 am
Take care, and I hope that all goes well on the 15th.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 05, 2017, 10:29:02 am
Thanks for all the good wishes chaps, I'm sure it will all go just fine.

As promised, a few pics of the progress with the new boards.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newboard1.jpg)

Wookery stripped of all buildings, with first new board in place.
The fiddle yard will all be ripped up and replaced by a 14' long new one, with 4 lanes......the joys of DCC  :D
There will also be a much bigger yard for the branch line and the goods yard.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newboard2.jpg)

The new board.......what's going on here you may ask......all will be revealed soon.  :P

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newboard3.jpg)

The underside of the new board. My mates have made a beautiful job of it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 07, 2017, 06:16:37 am
Very nice indeed, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: weave on October 07, 2017, 07:24:30 am
Hi Mike,

I've only read a few of the posts and all looking good. Will go back and read through (probably this evening during SWMBO TV hijack time).

I'm trying to think of your plan for that board but can't get Train Ferry out of my head (ongoing obsession of mine  :doh:).

Anyway thanks and as others have said you take care. The 15th will be the start of the rest of your life. One of my clients had one done last year and is now a new man.

Enough of that. Looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 07, 2017, 02:09:17 pm
A train ferry is a wonderful idea weave, but is probably way beyond my modelling capabilities!
I did think of bringing water into it somewhere, but decided against it as I've seen a lot of water on exhibition layouts which simply doesn't look realistic enough for my liking.
We didn't manage to get the second board finished yesterday, but all the parts are cut out and it has been dry assembled. Hopefully the glueing will be done Monday, in which case photos on Tuesday and all will be revealed.
What I'm aiming for is very ambitious and will take me a long long Time, but is within my modelling skills.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 07, 2017, 11:35:22 pm
 :hellosign: The new boards look superb Mike but your health comes first
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 11, 2017, 11:43:00 am
A day later than promised, here are the pics of the completed boards....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newbase1.jpg)

...and the view along the length of the extended layout

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newbase2.jpg)

Now you remember the castle I built a couple of pages back?
Well it's going to be positioned roughly where shown in the following photo, on a small hill at the front of the first new board.

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newbase3.jpg)

The raised section at the back is for the new 14 foot four lane mainline fiddle yard, with more lanes to serve the goods yard and branch line.
The backscene will sit in front of it, with low profile backs of shops and houses against it.
Where the boards drop down from the original level, the mainline tracks will continue on an embankment sweeping round the castle before rejoining the upper level at the end for the return loops to the fiddle yard. There will be at least two road bridges going under the embankment.
Both ends of the drop will be contoured down, with the road from Wookery station dropping down as well. The whole of the rest of both boards will be covered with a town scene of back to back houses and shops.

That little lot should keep me occupied for a few years!
The fist job will be to rip up the existing poor fiddle yard and relay the new one.
It was next to impossible to get to the points in the old yard to fit point motors, but the new ones will be fully motorised.  :D

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 11, 2017, 01:24:04 pm
Looks brilliant.
What a nice neat, tidy job
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 16, 2017, 07:48:36 pm
To take my mind off the impending op, I have been throwing myself into some industrious rail building.

On Friday morning I fixed cork tiles to both the new boards...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle4.jpg)

In the afternoon I tore up part of both mainlines on the church end, and also ripped up a fair bit of the old fiddle yard and all the sidings.

Saturday afternoon I relaid the main lines, splitting each into two lines to form the entry to the new fiddle yard.......

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle5.jpg)

and relaid the yard itself on the original board....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle6.jpg)

I couldn't do the wiring cos I burnt out the tip on my 30w soldering iron!
I used my old (60w) one to solder the rails to brass screws at the ends of each board.

I was pleased with the results and thought that would be the end of things for a few days.

Wrong.

Lunchtime I got the dreaded phone call, "sorry we have to postpone your operation".

**!!!  :censored:   :veryangry: ****!!!

So I took myself back into the railway room and started on the fiddle yard on the first of the new boards....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle7.jpg)

So now there are four mainline tracks for stacking long trains, and the fifth track opens into three lines (which will be 8' long across both boards) for freight and branchline stacking. The main lines should have about 10' or so each for queing nice long trains  :D

So now it back to waiting for the op. It has been rescheduled for next Tuesday the 24th, which is only four days before my club open day.
It is all very frustrating as I had mentally psuyched myself up and was ready for tomorrow.

So now I guess I'm going to get off here and onto evilbay to order a new soldering iron - possibly a 15-18w model with low melting point solder to save melting the plastic sleepers so often, and then carry on laying track and wiring it in. I may even have something running before next Tuesday!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 16, 2017, 07:51:43 pm
So sorry to hear about the delay for your op. I can only imagine how annoying and frustrating that must be.
Good work though. Hope you manage to get a new soldering iron.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 16, 2017, 08:23:40 pm
I hate it when your op gets delayed. Last year's heart bypass was delayed the day before it was due and I'd even taken the poor cat to the cattery and washed his sick out of the cat box (he hates travelling). I had to go and get him back and this time the other end let go :doh:
Let's hope you don't suffer another delay, Mike, as you really do get psyched up for it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2017, 08:53:55 pm
I second all the above comments, Mike, and congratulate you on all the revised trackwork. I hope your op. goes well and on the new scheduled date.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 16, 2017, 09:26:04 pm
 :hellosign: Excellent track laying Mike & fingers crossed for your op
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 19, 2017, 09:51:54 pm
Well this saga goes on and on!
Monday afternoon my op was postponed.
Tuesday afternoon we were in the town centre buying a new soldering, then walking back to the car, anticipating doing some wiring when I got home, when my heart went mad again!
I managed to drive home, then it was another ambulance journey....

I've been in hospital ever since.
They were hoping to fit the pacemaker today but at the last minute it was cancelled again!
I'm now on the list again for first op tomorrow afternoon.
So its breakfast at 6am then nil by mouth.
If they have to cancel again they intend sending me home again, and having it done on the scheduled 24th. They have GUARANTEED that it will not be cancelled that day, barring an earthquake.
I'd rather have it done tomorrow though so please cross your fingers for me friends!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2017, 09:55:16 pm
Very sorry to read that, Mike. I do hope all will go well and you'll get your operation as promised and the pacemaker.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 19, 2017, 10:20:14 pm
 :hellosign: Really hope all goes ahead Mike sooner the better, fingers crossed
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on October 20, 2017, 06:23:21 am
I just hope everything goes smoothly this time, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 20, 2017, 07:28:53 am
Fingers crossed here for you.
Hope it goes ahead and goes well.
Take care
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 20, 2017, 07:35:09 am
Hope that all goes well this time Mike, and that you get “wired up” properly. You could lend them your new soldering iron.... no, on second thoughts ignore that last idea.  :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: weave on October 20, 2017, 07:50:13 am
Morning Mike,

Hope you had a good breakfast earlier. Fingers and paws crossed for you in our household.

Good Luck.

Cheers weave  :beers: (sorry  :no:... NBM  :))

Take care.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 20, 2017, 09:43:28 am
I hope all happens today and that you're back to health very soon, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on October 20, 2017, 11:33:29 am
Fingers knees and toes (Michael McIntire) crossed for you mike.

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 20, 2017, 12:41:19 pm
Thanks for all your kind thoughts guys.
I'm told that the op is definitely going ahead.

THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO!

 :bounce:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daffy on October 20, 2017, 12:49:16 pm
The full team are assembled and ready for you Mike:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJbA0xz5GM

F.A.B.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 20, 2017, 02:20:14 pm
Excellent news, Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 20, 2017, 05:26:05 pm
I’m back
Feel like I’ve been hit by a bus but they tell me my heart is beating perfectly now   :D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: weave on October 20, 2017, 05:28:55 pm
 :claphappy:

At least it wasn't a train.

Great news. Now rest.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on October 20, 2017, 05:50:15 pm
Very happy to hear your good news

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 20, 2017, 06:10:44 pm
Excellent news, Mike. As Chris (Weave) says, take it easy. Use the time to think what you're going to do, and how, on your newly extended layout.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on October 20, 2017, 06:13:04 pm
Triffic news.  Hope you got the extended warranty! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daffy on October 20, 2017, 06:16:26 pm
Great news!  :thumbsup: Take care - and stop flirting with that pretty nurse! ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 20, 2017, 06:47:12 pm
Great news.
Take it easy for a while now and you’ll be back to normal before you know it.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 20, 2017, 08:30:58 pm
Great news!  :thumbsup: Take care - and stop flirting with that pretty nurse! ;)

Damn, caught in the act!   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Mito on October 20, 2017, 09:50:17 pm
Good news :thumbsup: A bit of a flirt every now and again does you the power of good. ;)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on October 20, 2017, 09:52:05 pm
Very good news, Mike :claphappy:
I hope the bus came off worse ;D
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on October 21, 2017, 06:28:20 am
I’m back
Feel like I’ve been hit by a bus but they tell me my heart is beating perfectly now   :D
You must have been surfing my Coventry Corporation Transport website!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 21, 2017, 07:14:39 am
Great news, take it steady (except with the nurses)!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: daveg on October 21, 2017, 07:30:37 am
Nice one!  :thumbsup:

Take things steady.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: weave on October 21, 2017, 07:36:23 am
Great news!  :thumbsup: Take care - and stop flirting with that pretty nurse! ;)

Damn, caught in the act!   :smiley-laughing:

Hi,

I had a terrible ankle break in 2005 and although it was repaired my new hospital, me having moved, have now realised it was a bodge job as I have been in a lot of pain over the last couple of years (I kept telling them) so hopefully I'm going in for surgery in January.

I'm not whinging about that I was just looking for any flirting tips you might have. After the last time I was in there I've been on google translate for 6 different Eastern European languages  :D. Got to do your homework!

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. Hope all's well and as I said take care.

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 21, 2017, 10:04:49 am
I hope all goes well, Chris (Weave).
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Innovationgame on October 21, 2017, 10:51:47 am
I hope you've recovered from your encounter with the bus.  Was it a rear loader or one of these modern things with closing doors?
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 21, 2017, 09:29:35 pm
 :hellosign: Glad to hear things are on the up Mike, aah well one less bus to drive :D
   regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on October 25, 2017, 07:37:12 pm
At last, back to talking about the layout instead of my health!

I managed to spend a bit of time in the railway room this morning, testing the new tip for the soldering iron...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/newfiddle.jpg)

I put the finishing touches to one half of the new fiddle yard. All rail ends are now soldered onto brass screws.
I also attached the other new board.

Then I had to go and have a lie down  :goggleeyes:

I don't understand why the pic is the wrong way round, as it views correctly on my PC.
I'm hoping that it will sort itself out!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 25, 2017, 07:48:18 pm
Good to see you back at work on the layout Mike.
Take your time and don’t overdo things.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on October 25, 2017, 08:03:29 pm
Good to see you back at work on the layout Mike.
Take your time and don’t overdo things.

Makes me sound like your Mum.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 25, 2017, 08:14:22 pm
Good to see you back at work on the layout, Mike.
Take your time and don’t overdo things.

Seconded!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 04, 2017, 04:29:02 pm
Woohoo! Engines running on the new extension!  :bounce:

12' fiddle yard and return ends track laid, and powered up..

My class 20 gets the honour of the first run to test everything.......and it all runs perfectly!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/extension.jpg)

Now comes the more tricky part - building a sweeping embankment to complete the circuits.
I can't wait to see full-length trains charging down the full 14' length  :D

Excuse all the junk scattered around - all our show sales stock has to be kept in the railway room by order of she who must be obeyed (sometimes)...

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 04, 2017, 04:33:12 pm
Great to see trains running Mike.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2017, 05:34:08 pm
Excellent, Mike. Don't get TOO over-excited! 8-)
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: David Asquith on November 04, 2017, 05:52:03 pm
That's  looking great Mike.  Pleased for you but also slightly jealous!

Dave
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 14, 2017, 04:22:28 pm
I have been a very very busy boy!

First the piers were put in place...

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/embankment1.jpg)

Then the embankment top layer added....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/embankment2.jpg)

Then it was a case of wiring up and......PLAYTIME!

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/embankment3.jpg)

AT LAST I can run my lovely Midland Pullman properly, and big looooooooong trains!
Why? Because I have this superb fiddle yard now.....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/embankment4.jpg)

Sorry guys, I don't think much will get done now because I will be too busy PLAYING  :D

I made a nice video but for some reason the YouTube server keeps rejecting it and I can't work out why.
I don't know how else to show it. I think I tried hosting on my own server before and the video wouldn't run.




Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 14, 2017, 04:25:04 pm
Many congratulations, Mike. Excellent news and great photos.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 14, 2017, 04:36:06 pm
@Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) will be all unnecessary now your BP is stretching its legs ;D
Hope you can get the vid sorted.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 14, 2017, 10:40:56 pm
 :hellosign: Looking good Mike  :greatpicturessign: thanks for the updates
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on November 15, 2017, 12:16:53 am
I hope you can fix the video too - I spy a BP there!!  :drool:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: newportnobby on November 15, 2017, 12:10:14 pm
I hope you can fix the video too - I spy a BP there!!  :drool:


@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url]) will be all unnecessary now your BP is stretching its legs ;D
Hope you can get the vid sorted.


He is just soooooo predictable :D :nerner:
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 15, 2017, 04:52:41 pm
Excellent progress.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: Bealman on November 16, 2017, 09:38:44 pm
Mine's still in the box  :(
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 17, 2017, 09:47:49 pm
Mine's been in the box for two years, so is fantastic to be able to run it now!
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on November 28, 2017, 05:04:05 pm

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/greenembankment.jpg)

What do you think chaps?
I studied an embankment where we take the dog for a walk to get an idea of proportion.
Unfortunately I couldn't spare the space to have it fully to scale along it's full length as I want to fit a LOT of buildings in....
The area in the foreground is more or less right, but the sides get steeper as it goes along.
It gives a great sense of perspective viewed from this angle, and I figure most people spectating will stand at the centre of the layout.
The mound in the foreground is where the castle will stand, right at the front of the layout.
Loads more to do to the embankment at a later date by way of undergrowth and trees etc, but I'm pleased with this first covering of grass paper.
Next job is to build the road underpass bridge and fit, the one there is just a quick mock-up.
Then I need to fit point motors to the ends of the fiddle yard - dashing from end to end to change them by hand is getting a drag!

Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: port perran on November 28, 2017, 05:11:07 pm
I think it looks really good. Ok ,maybe the embankment is a little steep but from normal viewing position it will, I think, look fine.
We often have to make small compromises in N scale modelling in order to fit everything in. I think this will work well.
Title: Re: Wookery
Post by: wookie on December 01, 2017, 08:12:29 pm
I couldn't resist doing a little scenic work on one of the new boards....

(http://www.thewoolnoughs.com/trains/smallholding.jpg)

I painted the resin vegetable plots at least a year ago in readiness for this area, and they have been packed away awaiting their planting as it were.
The "house" is an old GF Poole GWR coach given a splosh of paint, some curtains and some stovepipe chimneys.
The grass area to the front will be the site of a pigsty and some other animal enclosures, plus possibly a polytunnel or greenhouse.
The smallholder's children will by the fence at the front, waving to the trains a la "Railway Children"