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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2013, 08:13:22 am »


Fleischmann N gauge locos have a history of not taking kindly to lack of use. I have always maintained (pun intended) that this is due to their 'fine' construction as opposed to MInitrix and Arnold's more 'robust' style of construction.

Years ago in about 1978 I bought a Fleischmann V100 at a discount from a shop because it ran jerkily. Even at that time when I had had only a year or so of experience with Fleischmann N, I knew full well that a few laps round a continuous circuit back at home would warm it back up again.

This is exactly what happened and I still have it in working order to this day

Thanks for posting this, Gordon. I bought a second-hand ICE-T from France and it hardly ran at all. I persevered with it and now it runs but does need warming up when it has not been used for a while. It is reassuring to know that this is a common issue with Fleischmanns.
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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2013, 09:17:30 am »
Cleaning the old oil out and relubricating I find helps. Not sure I'd call Fleischmann fine construction.. not compared with uk chassis anyway 8-;
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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2013, 09:59:44 am »
I went to Germany last week. The main aim was a steam freight Plandampf event on the Eisenach - Meiningen line but I wanted to cram in as much diesel, electric and freight  observation and photography as possible.

I acheived that and much more!

I saw and photographed over 34 different classes of locomotive in two days

The photos are here:
http://gwizz.piwigo.com/index?/category/68-germany_april_2013

General plan: Tuesday and Wednesday freight and passenger photography (hoping for lots of 155s, possibly 151 and hopefully 232 as well)
Tuesday: Schönefeld – Berlin Aussenring, Halle, Grosskorbetha, Weissenfels
Wednesday: Koethen, Ahlten and Elze to coincide with my Brother arriving at Hannover Wednesday pm.
Thursday – Saturday: Werratal PLandampf
Sunday: Harz and Hannover area before flight home.

Biggest surprises and bonuses of the trip were:
Three ex DB class 110s (two `streamlined' one flatty) in various guises
140 still clinging on in freight use
103 222 on a test train set
4 locos with amusing numbers (115 114, 120 120, 143 134, 185 185,
Several variants of ex DR 110 in working order or in use
a double headed 232 freight

Tuesday 9 April
Early morning Easyjet Gatwick – Schonefeld put me on the platform at Schonefeld station at 09.30 – 3.30 hours after leaving home!

143 821 RE to Nauen
Rest of passenger plastic junk

On various recommendations from Drehscheibe forum, headed to Saarmund despite the fact that because of the silly diversion of the local service to Potsdam you then put yourself in the position of having to do a complete circuit via Berlin HBf to head south, taking about 90 minutes pass close to where you started!
Worth it though for freight chasers as the station is very quiet so great for video.

Saarmund

Eastbound freight
155 114 mixed
155 243 mixed
298 307 short mixed
155 109 hoppers

Westbound freight
185 574 LKW Walter block ROLA
ITL E186 128 gas tankers
189 010 containers

Potsdam HBf
182 011 Brandenburg – FFm/Oder: caped at Berlin Zoo due to `defective train'. 182 009 waiting across platform `gegenuber' to take over as the same train! Pleased this was a slick replacement as time was tight for my ICE to Halle
Berlin Hbf Tief
143 812 RB10 to Nauen
112 119 1433 to Stralsund
101 115 EC279 to Brno
ICE to Halle diverted via Delitzsch north to west curve (aka Unter bahnhof to oberbahnhof)

Halle depot
362 568
MEG 602

Halle HBf
143 225 1611 to ?
143 134 1604 to Nordhausen
143 807 from Naumburg
143 120 1644 to Magdeburg
182 533 Halle – Eisenach taken as far as Grosskorbetha

Grosskorbetha

Freight:
First thing seen on arrival was Swiss Re4/4 (421 396) on a GATX tanker train – as a Swiss stalwart my brain still can't cope with this SBB Cargo in Germany thing!
185 632 (HGK 2067) stabled
185 077 south
Re482 010 southbound freight
151 126 northbound freight
275 013 Infraleuna lok 210
R4C 145 CL 003 south
185 557 north light then back south into the yard later with tankers
232 668+232 591 arrival from north
RBH 109 (143 936) + RBH 116 northbd freight

Infraleuna's 228 seen parked in the Leuna works area

Passenger:
143 095 17.25 2 DR dostos to Leipzig
143 572 18.00 from Naumburg to Halle

With 482 010, 185 557, a 155 and the 232s at the head of south facing freights in the yard, I hopped on the nest train to Weissenfels just in case the double headed 232s continued south but they did not, so satisfied myself with the southbound electric freights that I was more confident would pass through Weissenfels before dark.

Weissenfels
BONUS 110 491 southbound ECS (bizarre mix)
143 816 18.20 to Grossheringen
143 095 1830 to Leipzig 2 DR dostos
185 557 tankers south
155 118 southbound
482 010 southbound
155 245 northbound freight
143 337 1926 Weissenfels – Leipzig 2 DR dostos to Leipzig HBf

Leipzig HbF
143 202 to Cottbus

Wednesday 10/4

143 354 RE uber Flughafen
143 327
101 075 my IC to Kothen via Halle
218 stabled for unknown reason outside HBf

Halle HBf
101 143 IC2046
143 873 Halle - Leipzig
143 566 parked dostos
143 935 parked dostos
143 867
143 086
MEG 155 xxx southbound tankers

Koethen
Supposed `frequent' 232 operations not forthcoming after 2 hours so gave up as I wanted to ensure a good session at Ahlten (Justified decision – see below)
114 027 0847 to Halle
185 (HGK 2057) southbound freight)
115 114 (old flat ended DB 110) light loco southbound
143 130 0912 Magdeburg
101 143 0931 IC to Hannover
203 843 light loco IN DR MAROON!
114 039 0947 to Halle
114 027 1012 to Uelzen (from Halle) rode to Magdeburg

Magdeburg
182 002 1106 to Eisenhuttenstadt

Hannover HBf
218 470 parked
120 120 stabled
146 125 RE13.0X ex Rheine

S-Bahn to:

Ahlten – freight hotspot between Hannover and Lehrte where the freight avoider re-joins the passenger route

Freight (all on the Hannover freight avoider)
Westbound towards Hannover:
185 185
145 027
152 009
V100 SP 008 +V100 SP 005
261 075
294 574 light
155 152
185 538 TX logistics

Eastbound
140 681
152 036
185 153
294 624 +363 xxx light

Passenger lines:
Eastbound:
101 048 IC past 13.35
115 459 (+182 dispolok dit) load 3 ECS Eastbound
218 451 N wagen past 13.41
112 128 N wagen 14.01 RE4879 assumed
Westbound
103 222 + three test coaches Westbound
111 136
218 452 14.13

Went to Nordstemmen then Elze to view the diverted Hannover – Bad Harzburg 218s
Nordstemmen
218 450 southbound ex Goslar 16.05
218 452 towards Goslar 16.06

Freight:
185 009 northbound
152 021 southbound

Elze
218 451
218 470 on the 180.00 ish pair each way reversing at Elze
Freight
185 359 southbound
189 930 northbound
189 938 northbound
RBH118 (143 028) northbound

My brother met me at Elze in a hire car from Hannover airport and we headed to Eisenach

Three days of plandampf on Eisenach – Bad Salzungen – Meiningen, featuring 41 1144, 44 1486, 44 2546
As a bonus on the Friday 50% of the normal service on the Wernshausen – Zella Mehlis line was operated by Ferkeltaxi 772 140 + 772 141
Also on a special via Eisenach to Meiningen on the Saturday was 02 2155 (with reserve 202 822-3 on the back of the coaches at all times)

Hot footed it to the Harz form some ng steam before going to Hannover airport
997237, 99236, 997245 among the locos in action.
Goslar
218 450 stabled for weekend
218 451 16.00 to Bad Harzburg
218 470 1559 to Hannover. Left minus 38 as original guard had clocked up her hours and walked off.
Took 470 to Sarstedt for some Sunday afternoon freight action before heading to the Flughafen

Sarstedt
Metronom locos: 146 531, ME 146-12, ME 146-15
freight
185 360 southbound
SBB 482 003 southbound
152 145 southbound
185 553 + OHE G2000 dit northbound
185 563 southbound
SBB 482 044 southbound

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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2013, 08:22:58 pm »
Hello Gordon.

Many many thanks for your trip list. Seems like you had a brill time. I am a little behind on here with updates etc as been a little busy, but i have plenty of new locos and rolling stock to show off also started to build my german 'roundy roundy' in the loft! I went over to Germany last week (Thursday 9th May) Flew from Luton on Easyjet 07.00 to Dortmund and came back Firday night on the 20.05. Had a fantastic little trip and was myself on Dortmund HBf in time for the 10.09 RE4 dep to Aachen which was a 111.

Basing my self at Dortmund HBf, i travelled around using DB's Lander Ticket. Plenty of 111, 112, 146 on the RE's 143's on the S6 between Essen - Dusseldorf - Koln. A few IC's thown in too with 101's and 120's ;) (One had to avoid the guard on the IC's as Lander tickets are not valid) The main aim of the trip was to get the 103 in on IC118 to Munster (Westf) and return on the Friday morning on IC119 but unfortunatly she was laid up at Frankfurt...but i never let this put a downer on what turned out to be a fantastic trip. I will sample a ride behind a 103 one day!! 25 loco hauled trains for me over 2 days, with still and hour here and there photographing, grabbing food and drink and pottering about....I quite enjoyed having a couple of hours at Dusseldorf Rath, Gareth and Derendorf photting IC's and some freight. Ahlten is tempting me for next time when i go over....Also i want to visit Braunschweig as never got chance when i went in Sept.

You could say i am very much hooked on the Deutsche Bahn now :claphappy:

I have just been looking at some of your photos, fantastic...Thank you for sharing Gordon.

Cheers, Anthony
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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2013, 07:03:36 pm »
Hello all...Well its been a while since i have done any updates, so i thought it time i would let you all know what i have been up to recently and what goodies i have been buying. I have certainly come on a little from my first post in Sept and buying a Kato M2 starter set and some rolling stock.

As i wrote in above post, i have not long returned from my 2nd trip to Germany. Was another fantastic trip!! Still not managed a ride behind the awesome class 103. One was booked to work on the Thursday evening & Friday morning when i was over there, this being IC118 Stuttgart - Munster (Westf) and return Friday morning as IC119 Munster (Westf) - Stuttgart. She was laid up at Frankfurt so i was told by a fellow German 'Crank' But i covered the train anyway and a 120 turned up on the Austrian OBB stock (As this train originates from Salzburg) but i was still pleased with this haulage as i like the 120's and i have had quite a few now.

Here is 120 159 at Gelsenkirchen working IC118 to Munster on the Thursday evening. Was a little disappointed it wasn't the 103 but hey ho....These 120's are still fine machines in my opinion and as we speak i am awaiting a Fleischmann model to arrive from Germany.

 

A few more pics from my trip...I took over 200 over 2 days so will just include a small few.

111 117 at Witten working RE4 Dortmund Hbf - Aachen (Note the cross arm pan) Not seen on AC's in the UK since the late 70s early 80s !!



Aswell as haulage bashing, photographing and general pure fascination with the railways of Germany, alot of inspiration was gathered from this trip for ideas as to what type of layout to build. Originally i wanted a large station with long platforms to hold my EC/IC and IR trains, but since this trip i will settle for a 4 track mainline, 2 being the mains and 2 with an island platform for suburban traffic and freight. Here is where i got my inspiration from...

143 241 leaves Düsseldorf Rath on an S6 service to Essen via Kettwig. I travelled this line between Essen Hbf and Düsseldorf Hbf and what a stunning little line it is. Plenty of 143's on push pull X-Wagens along here roughly every 15 minutes in each direction. 



143 853 on a S6 service from Essen Hbf - Koln Nippes approaches Düsseldorf Rath.



143 842 at Dusseldorf Darendorf. I enjoyed waiting here as the mainline between Hbf and Duisburg joins here. So plenty of expresses hammering through.



One of the many advertising livery 101's... 101 083 race's through Derendorf on the approach to Hbf on an InterCity working.



Getting onto modelling now, and my mentioning of the ideas i came back with for what layout i want to build. I went to the Derby show last Sunday and to my amazement i managed pick up 4 S-Bahn X-Wagens !! I already have a Roco 143 in Traffic red livery and these coaches are perfect for my Suburban service (See S6 services above) Trouble is...they are in the early S-Bahn livery and the period i want to create is traffic red, so the air brush will be coming out soon....Just need to source some transfers.

Its typical, i have mid to late 90s rolling stock and these would fit perfect into that era but i would like them traffic red to match my 143 also as i travelled on quite a few of these sets on the S6. I don't think any of the modelling companies actually produce these coaches yet in traffic red livery....So, i shall make my own.




That's all for now as iv got to pop out, but will pop a few more pictures and updates on later.

Cheers all, Anthony
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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2013, 10:45:42 pm »
The layout plan, era and stock is really coming together now (Some will be modellers license) After a really inspirational trip, i have settled for a small suburban station (Island platform) that will have EMU's and Class 143s with X-Wagen stock calling with a 2 track mainline adjacent to the slow lines with no platforms. I found a cracking little station just south of Düsseldorf Hbf called Düsseldorf Garath.

   

Garath is on the mainline between Koln and Düsseldorf. S6 services called apx every 15 / 20 minutes in each direction all being Class 143 on S-Bahn stock, no EMU's but this is where i shall employ modellers license as i have a fantastic Kato ET-425 EMU. These 422 and 425 units can be found in the area but a few miles north at Oberbilk where they branch off onto another line that calls at Eller Mitte. Plenty of InterCity services, RE's and ICE's racing through which made it a very interesting few hours spent. Was a little over cast so not many photos but quite a few videos.

The station idea...



Looking towards Koln with the fast lines to the left and i took the photo at the end of the island platform which splits the slow lines. Very simple but a very interesting. And that's all i want, a simple layout to enjoy in the loft.




Looking north now towards Dusseldorf....I took this zoomed in on nearly full to get a photo of the distant signals. You can just make out Dusseldorf-Benrath station in the distance.




The station for me to build will be simple using Kato island platforms and ends also canopy's. Will just need repainting slightly and some of the holes fillings then just a case of adding DB furniture such as clocks, destination screens, benches and posters etc etc.

A 143 calls at Garath with an S6 service from Koln Nippes to Essen Hbf.



X-Wagen Cab control car. These services are push pull with a Class 143 giving the power at the other end. I will need to repaint my 4 into this later traffic red livery.



Some of my other rakes that i have now completed...Orient red Class 103 on the InterRegio rake. 7 seconds, 1 bistro and 1 first class.



My Favourite InterCity rake with TEE livered 103 up front.
 


Bringing it right up to date now with a Class 101 on the IC rake in the latest livery with cab control car.



Class 110 on Silverfish.



And not forgetting my Kato ET-425 EMU. Not my prefered method of travelling about Germany but you have to have a model dont you ;)



Next on my list is an ICE set (Class 401) and then some freight. Only saw one freight while at Garath, this being a coal train but im sure there is more different types of freight that passes through.

I have also scrapped my original idea of using my old boards and having the layout straight up the middle of the loft. I have decided to have it width ways (10' 8" x 3') Still gives me plenty of space up the loft for walking about and what not. Also yes, i have lost 1'2" off the original plan but what i have now works perfect and still long enough to hold my 9 / 10 coach IR & IC sets in the fiddle yards at the rear.

P.S..yes there is a wide enough gap between the beans to pass by...Photo makes it look cramped.



Cheers all, Anthony
 
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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2013, 10:50:16 pm »

(Note the cross arm pan) Not seen on AC's in the UK since the late 70s early 80s !!


There's a good reason for the old style pantograph - 111s are 1970s locos. In fact in concept they are essentially much older. They were really only a minor development of the Class 110, dating from the 1950s. This is one reason why they are being withdrawn now
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« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2013, 11:29:42 pm »
Hello Gordon. Just amazing that they still use that style out there where as here they changed them to the high speed pans. Noted classes 110 111 114? & 115? and 140 with original cross arm pan up to now.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2013, 01:52:28 pm »
Interesting layout in the offing there Anthony. Just one tiny point, Its "Garath" not Gareth!  :laugh:

Interesting to see your trip photos. I tend to just pass through (of fly over) that part of Germany on my way down south. I have family who live south east of Munich so most of my trips tend to be Bavarian based. Lots of Munich based 111's, 218's, etc.

What your opinion on the Kato 425? I'm tempted to get one (Munich is heaving with them!) though like you I'd prefer not to travel on one!

All the best
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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2013, 12:00:58 pm »
Hello Gordon. Just amazing that they still use that style out there where as here they changed them to the high speed pans. Noted classes 110 111 114? & 115? and 140 with original cross arm pan up to now.

110s, 111s and 140s have old diamond pans (except some refurbished 140s), 115 do as well as they are actually reclassified 110s. 114 are ex-DR 243s so have single arm pans
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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2013, 08:54:54 pm »
Interesting layout in the offing there Anthony. Just one tiny point, Its "Garath" not Gareth!  :laugh:

Interesting to see your trip photos. I tend to just pass through (of fly over) that part of Germany on my way down south. I have family who live south east of Munich so most of my trips tend to be Bavarian based. Lots of Munich based 111's, 218's, etc.

What your opinion on the Kato 425? I'm tempted to get one (Munich is heaving with them!) though like you I'd prefer not to travel on one!

All the best
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Another one!! Nowt wrong with Tony's...... :doh: Sorry Anthony's ;)

First of all, thank you for pointing out Garath not Gareth!! My mistake...Have just gone through and corrected now. Im still yet to do Munich, Stuttgart and Frankfurt, they are on my list next also Lindau. Plenty of 'Rabbits' around that area, just a shame that the 110's have virtually all gone :uneasy:

As for the 425....Very nice finely detailed model and runs as you would expect, quiet and smooth, working lights etc etc. When i was in A&H models the other week, i picked it up and was thinking it over that a unit or 2 would not go a miss on my layout, so haggled the price a little and was happy with the reply. They normally run as pair (8 car unit) from what i have seen in the Saxony / Westfalen areas, but did see a 4 car up at Wanne Eickel on the Munster route so i will be happy with a 4 car for now trundling around.   
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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2013, 10:53:18 pm »
Very pleased to arrive home today from work to find my 2 latest purchases waiting for me :claphappy:

All the way from Italy via ebay.de a Fleischmann class 120. Stunning model and really glad i finally have one.  Had a few of these beasts for haulage now so only right i had to have a model :hmmm:



And another 218 in traffic red livery paired up with my first one i got last Sept (Both different running numbers):camera:



Can now recreate IC's to Westerland...




Hmmmm could be Niebull :laughabovepost:

Have some more Kato track and accessories coming next week so can crack on a little more with the layout.....And i had better sell a little more British outline if i want that ICE !!

Cheers, Anthony
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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2013, 11:21:46 pm »
So you'll like this one from a month ago (the 120 departing was amusingly: 120 120!)

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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2013, 11:29:23 pm »
110s, 111s and 140s have old diamond pans (except some refurbished 140s), 115 do as well as they are actually reclassified 110s. 114 are ex-DR 243s so have single arm pans

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Here's my picture with a 140 with each type last year:




Should have said some 111s have diamond pantographs. Some older 111s have retro fitted single arm, and most of the later build have single arm. Here's 111 139 last month east of Hannover:





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Re: My start out in German modelling
« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2013, 12:35:34 pm »
Gordon....Stunning photos as ever. I really like the 120 departing Hannover. Is the IC heading in the Berlin direction?? I noted a few 120s on workings to Dresden when i was there in Sept. Also what staion is the 111 passing on the Dostos??

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