Intermodals - excuse my ignorance

[Lawrence]

So I have seen modern UK 45ft intermodal wagons which take 2x20ft containers, was there never a time when a smaller wagon was used which only carried one container?

[njee20]

I had a feeling there were some early ones (60s), but my Google-fu is failing me. Certainly nothing recent, or particularly common.

Aside from the PFAs I mentioned in your other thread, which carry a single 20' coal container.

You get conflat wagons, but they didnt take ISO containers.

At the end of the day you'll be massively stretching reality, so just get a continental prototype, or get a single flat, like Revolutions forthcoming PFA, which has 60' of loading deck (ie 3x20', 1x20 + 1x40' or 1x45'). Alternative options are Farish's container wagon, which is sort of like an FFA, but not really, or IKAs or FEAs from Dapol or FIAs from Farish, all of which are pairs.

[railsquid]

Coincidentally I was trying to look up something completely unrelated and came across this page which may be of interest:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-vbcont.htm

[edwin_m]

There were some wagons that carried a single 20ft container back in the 80s, used for coal (Russells I think). 

These days the 40ft container is much more common than the 20ft, to the extent that companies are buying wagons with a 40ft deck instead of the traditional 60ft where one third of it will often be empty. 

[Steven B]

BR built or converted a few two-axle container wagons;

FBB:
http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brwhiskycontainerfbbfja

There was the FPA which was used to carry 30' coal containers:
http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brrusselcoal

The KQA/KTA bogie wagons carried one container in a low level well allowing high-cube containers to be carried within the restricted BR loading gauge.

Steven B

[woodbury22uk]

Transfesa operated a small number of 2 axle train ferry/channel tunnel compatible flat wagons equipped with twist locks for 40ft containers. However in the UK these were restricted to carrying a low height tilt/hood container, until the Channel Tunnel opened and they could operate to Barking.

This does not seem to be ferry coded but is the same pattern.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/car/freight/Lgs-Lgnss/Lgns-331.jpg

[njee20]

KTAs still carry one 40' container! As do IKAs and FIAs, as well as FLAs and Ecofrets, the TOPS code of which I forget, and neither of which are available in N

You can get a really nice 3D printed KTA from Vonzack of this parish, mine's still awaiting decals and weathering (and has been for about 2 years), I'm sure I read Realtrack/C-Rail or someone where doing one RTR too.

Interested to know if this works as it's my Google photo album... With a Revolution hi-cube.

There were some wagons that carried a single 20ft container back in the 80s, used for coal (Russells I think). 

A few used them - Cawoods and British Fuels spring to mind.

[woodbury22uk]

There were some wagons that carried a single 20ft container back in the 80s, used for coal (Russells I think). 

A few used them - Cawoods and British Fuels spring to mind.

The British Fuels and Cawoods PFAs were built by Standard Wagon. 20 Procor-built PFAs were used by Dragon Shipping moving house coal to Ireland via Swansea Docks. After Dragon went into receivership these CAIB owned wagons were sold to the MOD. The coal carrying containers were over height to provide as much cubic capacity as possible given that housecoal is not a very dense material. To maximise on height  the floor and twistlocks were dropped nearer to rail level and the containers had cutouts on the underside to clear the axleguards which were of standard dimensions and projected above the floor.

The forthcoming KTA wagon from C-Rail intermodal should accommodate a 45ft container. (later edit: This should be 40ft.)

http://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_61

[kirky]

I guess that's a typo and should be 40' containers for the KQA KTA

[njee20]

No idea what you're talking about Kirky ;-)

[kirky]

The forthcoming KTA wagon from C-Rail intermodal should accommodate a 45ft container.

http://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=18_61

Sorry, I was responding to this bit about the KQA being 45'.
Does it make sense now?

cheers

[kirky]

Damn, missed the smiley.

[woodbury22uk]

Damn, missed the smiley.

Yes a bit of lazy typing by me, but aligns with the new post-Brexit foot which will be around 89% of the current foot.