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Author Topic: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series  (Read 13933 times)

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2016, 11:32:49 am »
Yes, Kato do a good job, such as it is, and judging by the fact that a German retailer does lots of mods on their Rhb stuff - new motors, interiors, even new improved motor enhancements - and even a GE4/4 in MOB livery and two 'representative' coaches - there is a fair demand in Europe for Swiss outline.

Sadly outside of Kato such as is produced is mainly restricted at N Gauge to SBB mainline stuff and until the likes of Fleischmann take greater notice of the demand then Kato is what we have to deal with. I like the fact that they are noting the issues with their products, such as the introduction of the Allegra with close coupling as standard, and the availability of close coupling kits for other stock such as the GE.
And there is a demand in Switzerland itself. In Buellers shop in Interlaken when I have visited and enquired on this very subject I have been repeatedly told "We often get asked that." I firmly believe there is a large worldwide market waiting, waiting.

I also heard of the possibility of Zentralbahn stock - a much travelled line by me and SWMBO - but I believe it came to nought. Gordon may have better knowledge on that.

Now if we can just have a good manufacture producing the MOB, MZB, Jungfraubahn and Wengeneralpbahn stuff (the list is longer), including cog wheel locos and track - then I shall quit this life a happy happy man.

Okay, dream over. :D
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2016, 11:59:36 am »
I'm not so sure there is a huge untapped market myself. The layouts don't need to be very space hungry - it's not like you get a 4-track main line with 50 wagon freights. HOm is just vastly more popular for Swiss narrow gauge. I wonder if Zm would be more popular than Nm, or even using Z gauge track.

Kato stuff isn't the answer for the serious modeller, it looks a bit daft next to mainline Swiss stuff (as it's the same size), whilst HOm looks right next to HO (as it would). I love the idea of doing a decent Swiss HO/HOm layout, but I don't think the Kato stuff is really going to have the breadth of appeal to make it a viable prospect for a huge range.

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2016, 08:01:43 pm »
HOm available items look great, especially for Rhb, and also I note MOB and some FO/BVZ. However, the problem(s) for me are essentially threefold: cost; space; and practicality.

Cost: HOm is simply beyond my budget in the long term as the price of individual items is much greater than similar at N scale.

Space: I only have a limited space available for a layout so at HOm I would be greatly reducing the extent and scope of any plans I might have. In short, I could not achieve the desired effect.

Practicality: I have a desire to depict both metre gauge and standard gauge running on the same layout. However - back to cost again - I  cannot justify the expense of having two separate track gauges in the same layout, thus denying me the possibility of running a particular loco or set on all of the available rail length. Okay, so accuracy is lost, but life is a compromise and this is one compromise I would need to make. Of course I would also be really struggling with factor 2, practicality, if I took the two-gauge approach.

As far Z or Zm: what! With these tires old eyes! :o Well, the one of them that works properly.  :D

So it's Kato for me for now with its compromise of metre gauge Rhb stock running on standard gauge tracks, and maybe some SBB from Fleischmann when I can afford the RE460 'My Switzerland' (if I can still find one) and a few other goodies I have my eye on.

Or am I dreaming again?
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2016, 06:41:17 am »
I'm still confused what makes you the voice of the people. I may want specific liveries. Their complexity isn't entirely relevant. I don't need anything. It's a toy train. You're still telling me what I need though.

I will appraise a purchase on the strength of whether I want the product. Clearly  there are a number of factors in that decision, chief among yours is the complexity of that livery. Not mine. 

I've not seen an exhibition layout using the Kato stuff yet, admittedly I've not actively looked beyond the exhibitions I've visited, and the forums. Would be interested to if you have some links though?

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2016, 12:48:12 am »
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2016, 09:40:45 am »
Thanks RG for the great image of one of the new 4/4 liveries announced recently. Here's the other, 'Die kleine rote":



Both images nicely show the usual good attention to detail and quality Kato  manages to bring to these fine models. Shame about the lack of close couplers that I would have hoped Kato would be fitting as standard now instead of supplying as  a conversion kit. Maybe both types are included in the package. Hope so.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2016, 12:35:27 pm by daffy, Reason: Oops! Right image this time »
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2016, 11:56:53 am »
Thanks RG for the great image of one of the new 4/4 liveries announced recently. Here's the other, 'Die kleine rote":



Both images nicely show the usual good attention to detail and quality Kato  manages to bring to these fine models. Shame about the lack of close couplers that I would have hoped Kato would be fitting as standard now instead of supplying as  a conversion kit. Maybe both types are included in the package. Hope so.


Isn't this an Horribly Oversized model??
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2016, 12:33:33 pm »
That one certainly looks like a Bemo one.

How much do the close couplers compromise the clearance on curves?

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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2016, 12:38:41 pm »

Isn't this an Horribly Oversized model??

Yep! Seems my attempt to post the right image went wrong not once but twice. :doh:

Just blame the drugs! :D

I've corrected it now in the original post. Thanks for the heads up RG. :thankyousign:
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2016, 12:44:38 pm »

How much do the close couplers compromise the clearance on curves?

At present I am still waiting a delivery of close coupler sets so I can't comment on the GE 4/4's, but those that came factory fitted to my Allegra EMU are presenting no clearance problems even on Kato's rather over-tight 150mm radius curves. On greater radii there are of course no issues.
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2016, 11:46:17 pm »


How much do the close couplers compromise the clearance on curves?

Zero. Everything is designed to go round the 183 radius, even the 150 although it starts to look a touch unprototypical round the 150

The close couplers come with sets of shorter inter-coach gangway 'bellows' so that, once one has both Arnold and close couplings available,  one has a choice of using :

Arnold type couplings with a 'long' bellows' on each coach
close couplings with short bellows on one coach and long bellows on the other coach
Close couplings with short bellows on each coach (best for the tightest radius)



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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2016, 07:12:19 pm »
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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2016, 12:41:23 am »
DM-Toys list 3 variants

Yes, that's right. Three versions are currently available from various retailers, but only Co-op and Die Kleine Rote are new releases:

The sequence of release can be be seen from the reference numbers, they go up in sequence; the 'Die Kleine Rote' 650 ref 7474040 being their 'latest' release (although actually at the same time as the Co-op. ie a few days ago)

The 641 'Bernina Express' was released earlier in the year (hence the lower ref number 7074037

The missing ref number 7074038 was the 'Lazzerini' yellow livery version that sold out quickly earlier this year - a subject that we have already discussed earlier this year.




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Re: Kato Rhaetische Bahn series
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2016, 12:03:03 am »
close couplers available here


Only problem is this is another Japanese retailer, so the usual UK Post office inbound charges risk applies.


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