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Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« on: September 15, 2014, 09:12:30 pm »
Hi there,

I have just received an Etched Pixels 323 kit (thanks for quick delivery Alan), and wondering if anyone has any tips for making a good job of it.

In particular I must confess my ignorance - for the sides the instructions talk about "overlays", "vinyls" and "decals" as different products.  I'm not sure of the difference; can anyone elucidate?  And which is best to use?

Also, I have a now defunct Amsies kit for an AM4, and I am not 100% sure which coaches to use as the basis for this.  The sides for this (vinyls, overlays or decals??) are a little too short for the smooth-bodied Farish MK1s I was intending to use.  I asked a couple of the DEMU guys about this at TINGS and the conclusion of this was that I might need to shorten the coaches and underframes, but has anyone actually made one - what did you use?

I did a search on the forum and came up with one thread and this super picture of both EMUs, extremely nicely built by Dr Deltic.  If you are receiving, what would prescription be Dr?



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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 09:52:46 pm »
Hi Jon

You definitely want Mk 1s for the bodies.

Strip the sides with t-cut. Overlays could be brass/nickel silver etches, vinyls or decals - really down to what you prefer and availability.  You don't see much produced as decals anymore. I'm not sure whether Worsley Works has done any etches for 304 sides so probably easiest to ask Adam at ERG.

Cheers, Mike



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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 08:56:11 am »
Hi Jon

You definitely want Mk 1s for the bodies.

Strip the sides with t-cut. Overlays could be brass/nickel silver etches, vinyls or decals - really down to what you prefer and availability.  You don't see much produced as decals anymore. I'm not sure whether Worsley Works has done any etches for 304 sides so probably easiest to ask Adam at ERG.

Cheers, Mike

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Allen at Worsley Works has done a set of etched sides for a 304 as I have a set.

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 09:13:20 am »
I have the Class 304 on my radar (and have the artwork partially done) but have not released anything as yet, due to the lack of a readily available cab end casting.

Regarding the 323, I do a set of vinyl sides for this unit in all major liveries - they are printed on clear backed sheet, pre cut and self-adhesive. Once you have stripped the printed finish of the donor vehicle, they just stick straight over the top.
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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2014, 03:25:53 pm »
Well,.....getting my rear in gear for both of these in parallel.

Working on the 304....

Stripped the MK1 bodies, (well nearly, a bit of cleaning up still needed) used to be Crimson and Cream, 158 chassis at the ready for a Hedges style chop as described in "Red Death" magazine.



Chassis "split"



Chassis chopped, shafts cut down and restored using "live and neutral" electrical flex!  A good tight fit, though a little flexible. I was worried about whip but it seems to run fine, running in as I type this.



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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2014, 03:45:06 pm »
When there is a reference to Farish Mk1 sides are these the older coaches now no longer made?

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2014, 04:29:42 pm »
Hi Izzy,

Yes, they are older models - as you can see in the pictures they are just a clear box - the livery is printed on, just leaving gaps in the printing for the windows with no separate frames or glazing strips.

This style of body is good when it comes to applying vinyls (or decals) to the smooth sides.  I know this in theory, yet to do it myself!

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 10:07:01 pm »
Today's update..

installed the floor in the pan well, did a lot of wet-and-drying and T-cutting to remove the scratches I put in the body when cutting the floor out, glued the roof on, and segmented the sole bar (still following GH's instructions pretty faithfully.



You can see some of the reference materials.  It's tantalising, I have been unable to find a photo of the pantograph from above, so I am having to infer the layout from side on shots.

Here is it together



The green lumps are milliput. When it has cured I wil trim it to desired shape.

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2014, 11:29:59 pm »
Hi there,

I have both units on my workbench atm,
my 304 is an Etched Pixels brass kit using Farish Mk1's, the cab fronts are brilliant.

Datajammer's 323 is using 158 bodies, getting the front end right has been nothing short of irritating.
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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 08:39:23 am »
Hi there,

I have both units on my workbench atm,
my 304 is an Etched Pixels brass kit using Farish Mk1's, the cab fronts are brilliant.

Datajammer's 323 is using 158 bodies, getting the front end right has been nothing short of irritating.

Hi Bees

Let's see some photos!

Do you mean an Etched Pixels kit for your 304?  I wasn't aware of one though in a post above a Worsley Works kit has been mentioned,

The 323 does seem a problem to get the "rounded" look.  I was wondering about using some thick plasticard and sculpting it to shape.

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 06:04:12 pm »
Hi there,

I have both units on my workbench atm,
my 304 is an Etched Pixels brass kit using Farish Mk1's, the cab fronts are brilliant.

Datajammer's 323 is using 158 bodies, getting the front end right has been nothing short of irritating.


Hi Bees

Let's see some photos!

Do you mean an Etched Pixels kit for your 304?  I wasn't aware of one though in a post above a Worsley Works kit has been mentioned,

The 323 does seem a problem to get the "rounded" look.  I was wondering about using some thick plasticard and sculpting it to shape.

Cheers  Jon  :)


Hi Jon

The 304 is a Worsley Works kit, I'm hoping now that Adam can do the vinyls for the 304. The front ends are really good



But i think the bodysides would be better as vinyls, because brass sides, which are painted and also have glue, just adds too much width, in my opinion.



The inner ends of the 304 had no gangway, i have cut away the end of each coach, then using a BHE coach end, doctored, created a mould, then cast some clear resin ends.

As for the 323, i have not taken any pics yet, i am building up the Etched Pixels front ends using "Liquid Green Stuff", once i have the correct shape, i will mould the cab front and create clear resin cabs for Datajammer's unit.

Wish me luck, i think I'll need it!

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2014, 06:13:41 pm »
Thanks Bees....and good luck!

If you are going to be casting 323 front ends, you might consider doing a few spare.  I would definitely be in the market for a couple of sets, as in the longer term I might end up making a few 323s. (seriously).

I was thinking the other way about the 304 - that brass sides provide a better window opening. I have yet to try the reputedly difficult Amsies two-layer decal sides.!

Could you attach that 304 front to a body without the brass sides?

Adam definitely can do 304 vinyls - I have just had an e-mail exchange with him.

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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2014, 06:45:11 pm »
Thanks Bees....and good luck!

If you are going to be casting 323 front ends, you might consider doing a few spare.  I would definitely be in the market for a couple of sets, as in the longer term I might end up making a few 323s. (seriously).

I was thinking the other way about the 304 - that brass sides provide a better window opening. I have yet to try the reputedly difficult Amsies two-layer decal sides.!

Could you attach that 304 front to a body without the brass sides?

Adam definitely can do 304 vinyls - I have just had an e-mail exchange with him.

Cheers  Jon  :)

Hi Jon,

That's good to know, i actually emailed him last night about 304 vinyls.
The 304 cabs have been fitted already, after removing the gangway, i then shaped what was left, then fitted the brass using 2-part Epoxy. The cab roof has been a ball-ache, quite happy now though.

I will do several cab fronts, I'm just hoping what i have planned will work. I'll let you know.
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Re: Help with building a 323 and a 304 EMU
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 09:09:39 am »
But i think the bodysides would be better as vinyls, because brass sides, which are painted and also have glue, just adds too much width, in my opinion.

Hi

I got Allen to do my sides on 5 thou brass to cut down on the width and this seems to look ok for the 2HAP I have built based on Farish coaches.

Cheers

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