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Offline Chris in Prague

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2014, 08:35:01 pm »
Thanks, Martin. I have sent a text message to my landlord (who is really very interested in my model railway plans) to ask the handyman what is happening with the baseboard and how much it will cost. I have vowed to stop buying N Scale figures from now on as I need to buy the one remaining point I don't have (E391F); (however, I have 1 spare E388F, 3 spare E389F, and 3 spare E395F if anyone wants to do a swop? but I need to check by laying every point out, first), and 11 metres of flexi track, mainly timber sleepers but at least three with concrete sleepers (as laid by the WR in 1963) for the mainline.

This week I, at least, want to buy plasticard, balsa wood, glues, and paints as I have a lot of 'stone-built' Ratio kits waiting to be adapted and buildings to scratch build. I want to start with scratchbuilding the small signalbox which stood on the platform at Whitstone and Bridgerule station -- the prototype for Cant Cove station. (I have an interior kit to adapt. I want to light the interior with a LED, so the roof will have to be removeable.)

My second BR SR Green Bulleid coach arrived, today, a very nice CK to add to my SK. Now, I need at least one BSK. As you noted, Martin, there's a good article about Bulleid coaches in the NGS Magazine that arrived today, too. It, correctly, points out that the SO is no use for the Western District (North Cornwall or North Devon). If Alan (Etched Pixels) has the overlays to make a Bulleid BCK I will then need two Bulleid BSKs. However, I can use one of my BR MkI BCKs instead of a Bulleid BCK as the SR started replacing its Bulleid BCKs with BR Standard ones first.

I regretfully have decided to sell my second DCC-fitted BR Maroon Class 42 "Warship" D829 "Magpie" as two "Warships" (I have BR Green "Dragon") are more than enough and my third BR Green (this one Factory Weathered) non-DCC fitted Class 22 as I want to buy a BR Blue D one, instead whilst Hattons still has them on special offer.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2014, 08:56:25 am »
I have cut some old cereal packets so that l can make cardboard mock-ups of the scratchbuilt station buildings for Cant Cove to check I have everything right before beginning the plasticard versions. I want to start with the small signalbox as whilst i have plans for some LSWR signalboxes I don't have of the small ones used on the North Cornwall Railway. I do have plenty of pictures though for judging proportions. I'm planning to use a plasticard and clear plastic (for the large windows) combination with stone and slate sheet overlays and fittings from Ratio and / or cannibalised Kestrel kits.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2014, 09:13:43 am »
Great! First real constructive activities. Don't be shy now, and show us the result of the mock-up works, will you?  I'm curious to see this project getting build. ;)

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2014, 05:22:42 pm »
Alas, not much progress to report, Michiel. I pulled out the scale plans which I have for other LSWR (Corfe Castle and Wool) signalboxes but the are not very similar to the North Cornwall Railway (NCR) ones at all. So, I have just ordered "Signal Boxes of the London and South Western Railway: A Study of Architectural Style" which, I have read, has a more useful signalbox diagram for the NCR.

However, I do have scale plans of North Cornwall Railway station buildings so I may start with mock-ups of those instead, this weekend.

ABM Railcraft now produce very nice looking cardboard kits of LSWR 'North Cornwall' station buildings but, again, the signalbox is nothing like that at Whitstone & Bridgerule (the model for Cant Cove) and I'd rather scratchbuild / kitbash everything in plasticard / plastic kit parts. However, the ABM Railcraft NCR (Padstow) canopy might tempt me. The quick way out would be to buy all the kits, (except the signalbox), and then use the cardboard kits as templates for my own plastic ones. However, that would end up rather expensive! (About 70, in total.)

Regarding the long curved platforms of Whitstone & Bridgerule, they were 460 feet long, which translates to, I think, 920mm or 92cm, in N Scale. As the whole baseboard will have a length of 194cm (a little over 6ft.) that means that I can pretty much build scale length platforms. But how do I match the curve of the platforms to a specific radius (e.g. a Tracksetta?) I'm planning to use a combination of PECO N - Lineside Kit: NB 27: PLATFORM EDGING: CONCRETE TYPE (5 items) (X 2) and Lineside Kit: NB 28: PLATFORM EDGING: STONE TYPE (5 items) -- I think I will need another kit -- and PECO N - Lineside Kit: NB 67: PLATFORM EDGING RAMPS: STONE TYPE (2 x pairs) (X 2) with plasticard platform surfaces on plasticard spacers. (Whitstone & Bridgerule had just such a mixture of platform edging on one platform.) The platform side pieces will have to be curved (by scoring vertical lines on the reverse side) to match a template. (Hence my question about setting a radius). My DCC-fitted outside crank Class 08 will be used for gauging trials. I need to allow for the 1.5mm height of the cork strip underlay under the twin tracks though which will represent the base of the shoulder of ballast. That, probably, means that the station platform edging will need to be increased in height correspondingly. However, at Whitstone & Bridgerule the stone-built platform facing has two narrow and one wider 'steps' built under the platform surface edge, probably from brick when the platform height was raised? I can use Ratio brick sheets, I think, again scored on the reverse and curved with a plasticard backing sheet. The concrete-edged section of station platform was noticeably higher with a visible ramp upwards from the older section and this can be achieved by simply placing plasticard strip underneath the Peco platform edging sections and having the platform surface in three sections.

Thinking about it, the solution would appear to use a Tracksetta as the template for the curve of the platform and cork underlays. So far I have 30 and 36 inch radius ones and, to my eyes, the 36 inch one looks about right. (I should also have 18, 15, and 12 inch radius and a 10 inch straight Tracksettas coming.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2014, 05:51:59 pm »
CORRECTION: ABM Railcraft do NOT produce the NCR (Padstow) canopy in 2MM, only in 4MM.

My landlord was coming on Friday to discuss my baseboard with me but I, now, will be out all day so it will have to be postponed, again.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #80 on: June 11, 2014, 09:43:06 pm »
I have cut out a photocopy of the NCR station building and, tomorrow, or the weekend plan to stick them on card (from cereal packets) to make a mockup of Cant Cove station which I will then use as a guide for constructing it from plasticard as the buildings are quite complex in 3D. It will be pretty fiddly to make but I have the summer (well, most of July and August.) Tomorrow afternoon I plan to go to some model shops in the city centre to stock up on plasticard, glues and paints and to see what else they have that would be of use! (Such as embossed stone card.)

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2014, 09:47:59 pm »
I'm going to be putting up for sale two surplus BR SR Green Mk1s, a SO (Blue Riband) S3840 and another BCK (not Blue Riband) S21275 plus my surplus DCC-fitted BR Maroon "Warship" D829 "Magpie" as I need money to buy track and a DCC controller and, anyway, simply don't have space for duplicate stock in my small flat. (I still have two BR SR Green Mk1 SOs and have ordered a BR SR Green Bulleid SO for the "Car Carrier" from Surbiton to Penmayne. Apart from the "Car Carrier" SOs were simply not seen in the SR's Western District.)

Good news! The baseboard should, finally, be ready next week. Alas, I'm busy with visiting U.S. students and professors the last two weeks of June.

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2014, 09:51:20 am »
The Gaugemaster Scenics Cloudy Sky backscene (suitable for early summer in North Cornwall I think) has just arrived. It comes in three adjoining sections about 1372 mm / 54" long by 152mm / 6" high so not long enough but high enough. The backscene will be gently curved at the ends. So, I think I need to order another identical backscene as the left and right hand sides of the module for Cant Cove will also have a back scene. I'll see how these look first.

This afternoon I'm off to the (translated) "At The King of Railways" model shop!
« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 06:41:19 pm by Chris in Prague, Reason: 152mm NOT 152m; thanks, John »

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2014, 12:36:10 pm »
It comes in three adjoining sections about 1372 mm / 54" long by 152m / 6" high

That's a very high back scene! ;)
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #84 on: June 12, 2014, 01:02:22 pm »
Quote from: Tim.hynd link=topic=18923.msg226306#msg226306 date=1402572970
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That's a very high back scene! ;)
I think it's Ok. Just measured my backscene which is also 6 inches high.
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2014, 03:09:02 pm »
I was just messing as Chris put 152m instead of mm! ;)
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2014, 04:13:10 pm »
Thanks, Martin. The maximum backscene height (and I think this includes the height of the baseboard) is only 18cm which is just over 7 inches so 6 inches is fine.

Yes, sorry, I missed a 'm' out. (I was in a hurry to leave for a meeting.)

Well, "At the King of Model Railways" was underwhelming: the helpful owner spoke no English and I realised I did not have the specialist Czech vocabulary required. The shop overwhelmingly caters for HO gauge, too. Nevertheless I was able to buy four nice Bruchsteinplatte klein (small stone walling) plastic pieces (all he had) which look to be enough to build Cant Cove station buildings at least; plus two larger Heki natural stone pieces (plastic with a foam filling) but no good for buildings; maybe, parts could be used for platform edging? They look designed for walling. The MPL shop selling plastic kits (military models) was far more successful; an assistant spoke English and they had all the basic Humbrol paints (I bought all the colours for a Cornish stone wall; also good for 1960s mens' clothing: browns, blacks, greys; mainly matt, some satin, but I plan to dry brush with matt black afterwards), a very expensive aerosol can of Tamiya grey undercoat, Humbrol thinners, specialist glues including Tamiya cement, very fine paint brushes, set of files files, a scoring knife, plasticard etc. I needed. Certainly enough to begin scratchbuilding, kit constructing, and model figure painting next month (however, I forgot flesh colours). The problem now remains where will I get BR SR colour paints from? I believe it is illegal to post tinlets of paint now from the U.K.? Maybe a model shop in Germany can supply by post?

Another trip to a 'paper shop' enabled me to buy more glues for paper, etc. I did not have the energy (another heatwave day, here) to go to another modelling shop to buy balsa wood. The plasticard was a shock: I remember buying big sheets for next to nothing in thicknesses of a thousandth of an inch and transparent plastic too. Instead I could only buy small rectangles of white polystyrene sheets in fractions of a mm. I bought .2, .3, .4, and .5mm. It will be cheaper to cannibalise the Kestrel kits I bought cheap I think for the basic building walls!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2014, 04:26:53 pm »


Yes, sorry, I missed a 'm' out. (I was in a hurry to leave for a meeting.)
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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2014, 04:37:21 pm »
Two mistakes? Now I know how my students must feel when I grade their assignments!

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Re: Cant Cove (and Penmayne)
« Reply #89 on: June 13, 2014, 08:59:44 pm »
Very busy with meetings all day but managed to return to the plastic kit shop to buy some more Humbrol enamel paints. Of course, I was wrong they do sell acrylic paints, too, I simply did not recognise them! (Having last constructed and painted models 30 years ago!) I still do not have all the colours I need for all the N Scale metal kits that I have collected but, by July, I will have and can get gluing painting! Ian very kindly gave me detailed instructions how to prepare and paint metal kits / figures only some of which i knew. particularly helpful were his detailed instructions on how to paint model people of whom I have quite a few. Some of the old 1960s Preiser N Scale figures I have collected could also do with a more accurate paintjob, too.

Whilst I plan to model LSWR / SR bufferstops, as a stopgap (literally!) I will be using Peco 'rail-built' bufferstop kits (of which I have prior experience) with, later, scratch built buffer-beams from layers of shaped plasticard to look more like the types seen at Padstow (I have an excellent photo showing three types in use). I forgot to buy some 'rust' brown paint so am thinking of mixing some of the colours I have to make my own and match colour pictures. (Or I will simply buy rust along with the other colours I forgot; I have some scooters to paint so will have to research 1960s Lambretta colours! I'm thinking they would have been bright colours?) I'm also planning to mix matt and gloss red paint for the red on the bufferstop beams. Anyone done anything similar?
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