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Offline davidinyork

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First DCC ready model
« on: February 13, 2018, 07:28:52 pm »
Does anyone know what was the first UK N-gauge model specifically designed for DCC fitment?

I think Farish were there before Dapol with this. The new design Class 57 and 66 models produced in 2007 had the solder points on the circuit board (wired 8-pin decoder was intended, I assume?). The Class 66 models also had this arrangement for a while, but I'm not sure whether that was a modification introduced in 2007 or whether it was also present in the slightly earlier models (first Class 66s seem to have been produced in 2005).

Then there is the HST, which also acquired a circuit board at some point. Certainly the Crosscountry model of 2009 has it, but I'm not sure how many models before that had it, although I would assume the three produced in 2007 (MML, Intercity and GNER) might well do, at least. The ones before that were back in 2002.

I'm also not sure whether the HST was actually designed for DCC fitment or whether the circuit board was just put there for smoother running, with a side-effect of making DCC fitment easier - there are no marked solder points like the 57/60/66 and I've not come across any 'official' instructions for fitting Decoders (although there are unofficial ones) - plus it involves cutting off the inductor coils unlike any others.

So basically I'm not sure which was the first, although it was probably in the mid to late 2000s!

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(production dates of models taken from the excellent ngauge.org.uk)

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 09:07:39 pm »
Certainly the first 66s by Farish in 2005 were DCC ready (as you say, solder tabs for a 6-'pin' decoder), although the original release EWS 66 was a very odd colour, I'd avoid it as a model personally (66135). Dapol were a bit later with the 66. Everything else from Dapol I can think of was still decided DCC-unfriendly at that point.

I'm not sure if something else from Farish got there ahead of the 66, I can't think of anything, but I only follow the modern stuff. The HST isn't truly DCC ready AFAIK, needs hard wiring, which isn't hard as it has no lights.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2018, 04:37:34 am »
The HST isn't truly DCC ready AFAIK, needs hard wiring, which isn't hard as it has no lights.
The Farish HST was also updated with the DCC solder PCB version

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2018, 07:58:07 am »
Fair enough. Depending when that was it could be before the 66 then.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2018, 09:06:28 am »
Fair enough. Depending when that was it could be before the 66 then.
Farish "DCC friendly" released :
Class 66
Class 57
HST

Models released after that were 6 pin

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2018, 09:15:03 am »
Some 60s also had solder tabs, but still released after the 66.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2018, 09:34:25 am »
The HST isn't truly DCC ready AFAIK, needs hard wiring, which isn't hard as it has no lights.
The Farish HST was also updated with the DCC solder PCB version

It's different to the others though in that it doesn't have lights (because it was a modification of an existing model), and it doesn't have the marked solder points like the others. Was the circuit board actually intended for DCC fitment, or just for a smoother flow of power to the motor? Having to cut components off the board to fit a decoder is unlike any of the others, and I've not seen any 'official' Farish information which mentions fitting Decoders to these.

Not saying they weren't intended for DCC, but it's not entirely clear whether that was the case from what I've seen.

Incidentally, does anyone know whether the 2007 HST models were the first to incorporate the circuit board?

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2018, 09:50:30 am »
That was my impression, but wondered if there was a subsequent update where it was 'properly' DCC ready, as MJKERR implied.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 09:53:28 am »
That was my impression, but wondered if there was a subsequent update where it was 'properly' DCC ready, as MJKERR implied.

The most recent one they've done (the Crosscountry one) is the one I described, where the inductor coils have to be removed to solder in a decoder. Not sure how many previous ones had the circuit board. I doubt if there will be any more now, as it's an old model and doesn't stand up well against the Dapol one.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 09:58:15 am »
I'd certainly dispute whether that's DCC-ready then, although I accept it's closer than something like the 170, which has no PCB and requires a bit of filing of the chassis to convert.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2018, 10:44:24 am »

Incidentally, does anyone know whether the 2007 HST models were the first to incorporate the circuit board?


I have both the GNER and Intercity HSTs from 2007, they do have a circuit board, but not with the seven pads for a wired decoder.

I think the Farish 66 was the first model designed for DCC fitment, even if you have to take a soldering iron to it, the thought was there in the design.

Cheers.

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 11:05:36 am »
Thanks for the replies. It's interesting to note that the 66 seems to have appeared in 2005 with lights and the DCC-ready circuit board, whereas the Peaks which first appeared in the following year have neither!

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2018, 01:54:27 pm »
I think the Peaks may have the honour of being the last non-DCC friendly bogie diesel locomotive to be produced - apart form the 0-6-0 shunters that is.
The class 14 was introduced non DCC even in 2010.

The 37 and Warship were the first to be fully DCC 6-pin chip ready.

44/45/46 - 2006 - Split chassis not DCC friendly
37/0 - 2007 - DCC ready
57 - 2007 - DCC PCB friendly
60 - 2007 - DCC PCB friendly
66 - 2007 versions - DCC PCB friendly
42 - 2008 - DCC ready
47 - 2008 - DCC ready
24 - 2009 - DCC ready
DP1 -2010 - DCC ready

04 - 2007 - not DCC ready
08 - 2009 - not DCC ready
03 - 2010 - not DCC ready
14 - 2010 - not DCC ready

Dapol's first DCC ready loco was the 66 low emission version in 2007.
66 - 2007 - DCC ready
73/0 and 73/2 - 2007/8 - DCC ready
35 - 2008 - DCC ready
67 - 2009 - DCC ready
86 - 2009 - DCC ready
HST - 2010 - DCC ready
58 - 2010 - DCC ready

HTH - it doesnt contradict anyone else i don't think.
Bob


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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2018, 01:57:53 pm »
Thanks! So do the pre-2007 Farish 66s not have circuit boards?

Going back to the HST, are there any other older models which were adapted with a circuit board like this, for a purpose which is unclear but might be to smooth the power to the motor? I've not come across any, but there are some classes which I don't have examples of.

Thanks

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Re: First DCC ready model
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 02:11:17 pm »
The original Farish 66 was DCC ready. The colour's just far too 'sandy' on the gold.

 

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