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The Flying Banana
« on: February 06, 2018, 10:23:05 am »
I managed to capture Network Rails HST track management train last night, commonly known as the flying banana due to its yellow livery.  I'm sure it would make for an interesting model on a modern day layout


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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 10:52:57 am »
When the HST's first came out, we called them flying bananas because they had so much yellow at each end.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 11:15:45 am »
Surely no more, indeed significantly less, than any FYP loco? ???

It's a shame Dapol never did matching Mk3s to go with the NR power cars, even a TGS and an RFB or something, which is a reasonable approximation for a few of the coaches.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 12:10:23 pm »
Reminds me of the TGV in French Post Office livery.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 01:03:36 pm »
Surely no more, indeed significantly less, than any FYP loco? ???

They were certainly referred to as 'flying bananas' when first introduced in 1975. Probably more to do with the warning yellow stretching along most of the side of the power car and then curved down slightly at the front.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 01:46:35 pm »
Surely no more, indeed significantly less, than any FYP loco? ???

They were certainly referred to as 'flying bananas' when first introduced in 1975. Probably more to do with the warning yellow stretching along most of the side of the power car and then curved down slightly at the front.

Yup, I certainly remember that epithet from the early 1980s.

The name was apparently earlier bestowed on the GWR railcars.
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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 02:38:03 pm »
I was forgetting that the yellow extended along the bodyside, all before my time, I just remember IC Swallow :)

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2018, 08:46:00 pm »
The NMT gets about a lot, especially on the principal mainlines.

The coaches are all so non-standard that it would be a bespoke job to do them with anything like accuracy. They are all heavily customised, and include two from the prototype HST.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2018, 08:49:12 pm »
Yes, the GWR railcars were known as flying bananas, and they weren't even yellow!
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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 10:01:38 pm »
The NMT gets about a lot, especially on the principal mainlines.

The coaches are all so non-standard that it would be a bespoke job to do them with anything like accuracy. They are all heavily customised, and include two from the prototype HST.

Mmm, last time I looked in detail the pantograph coach is just a TGS with a pantograph fitted and some roof mounted equipment, the conference coach is just a TS/TF with a couple of windows blanked. The track recording coach is just a TGS, it’s only the staff coach and generator coach which really deviate from production. Admittedly they’ve not got toilet windows either.

Obviously internally they’re hugely modified, and have all the recording equipment, but externally they’re not far off. You could do a pack of coaches that would be a pretty good match, and I suspect they’d sell, judging by how well converted Farish ones have sold whenever I’ve done them. 

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 10:07:12 pm »
Mmm, last time I looked in detail the pantograph coach is just a TGS with a pantograph fitted and some roof mounted equipment, the conference coach is just a TS/TF with a couple of windows blanked. The track recording coach is just a TGS, it’s only the staff coach and generator coach which really deviate from production. Admittedly they’ve not got toilet windows either.

Is the pantograph well and its equipment not a pretty significant modification from a standard TGS, then?!

If you look at them closely there are plenty of subtle variations in all of them - bits on the roof, extra wiring, various windows blanked, etc. Depends on how accurate you want it to be I suppose.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 10:13:47 pm »
It would need a new roof moulding, yes, which may not be viable for one variation. The body wouldn’t need changing. It would have a superfluous toilet window I admit. But then all the RFBs are a compromise.

Like I say, you could get close with minor mods to most of the coaches, and I reckon if someone did a book set with 4 or 5 painted to match the powercars they’d sell like hot cakes. I’ll wager most don’t know the permutations anyway.

Yes, they’ve got loads of extra cables between the coaches, and extra end detail, and high power spotlights and so on, but we don’t get any of that detail anyway, so it’s a bit moot.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 10:30:28 am »
I wonder if there would be enough people interested to crowdfund a livery run from Dapol. OK so the actual coaches may not be accurate, but if the set could be as close as you can get with the current mouldings, it might be enough for most people and a good base to work from for further detailed conversion.

How about a 5 car set made up of 2 x TGS, 2 x RFB and a TS?

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 10:40:40 am »
Yes, that was exactly my thought. It wouldn't be perfect, obviously, but it would be a reasonable approximation, if you wanted to fill a couple of windows it would be a better starting point. The power cars seem to command an oddly high price, as do any converted coaches, which suggests there's a demand. Farish mk3s with vinyls are barely any more accurate than a 'stock' set of coaches.

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Re: The Flying Banana
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 10:59:21 am »
Even if not accurate, it would be a good set for those that want an accurate model to start from.

 

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