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Poll

Would you be interested in purchasing "The Twins" 10000 & 10001 as a ready to run model?

I'd be interested in purchasing both locos in LMS livery.
19 (29.7%)
I'd be interested in purchasing one of the locos in LMS livery.
10 (15.6%)
I'd be interested in purchasing one of these locos in an alternative livery.
19 (29.7%)
I'd be interested in purchasing two of these locos in an alternative livery.
16 (25%)

Total Members Voted: 57

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Offline emjaybee

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10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« on: September 20, 2017, 11:19:01 pm »
My brain was jogged out of a weary fuzz this afternoon by a post I read on here today.

From what I remember, the last annual "Wish List" poll came back with "The Twins" ,LMS loco's 10000 and 10001, in at number 5 in the "Most Wanted" category.

As they don't have a complicated motion, my brain says that "They can't be any more complicated than a Class 92 to produce".

So I thought I'd pop a poll in here to see if any of the Crowdfunding manufactures could be tempted and to find out if people really are that keen to get hold of them.

(Mods: I apologise if this is in the wrong place.)

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 12:41:31 am »

Iconic certainly, two manufacturers did them in 00. I would buy one for sure.

I can't help feeling though that of the few remaining diesels to produce the Metrovick Co-Bo would be the more viable given that one survives.

Roy

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 01:14:04 am »
These Resin bodied ones were quite easy to do, just a few things to add to the body and paint, and went onto a Farish 47 chassis with just the bogie frames to change.

If it looks difficult it probably is, but might as well get on with it anyway!

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 07:53:07 am »
I cannot lie, after putting the poll up it did occur to me that there isn't a "real" one to run round with a tape measure, but the fact that they have been produced in OO as rtr and that a group of enthusiasts are/were planning to build a replica makes me think the information must be out there.

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 07:55:31 am »
I'm interested yes...

But to be pedantic Option 1 in the poll "Both in LMS Livery" is historically inaccurate. Only 10000 carried full LMS livery. 10001 wasn't delivered until mid 1948 and while delivered in Black & Silver omitted the LMS letters...

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 08:33:33 am »
You are quite right...

...pedantic.

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 08:46:02 am »
I'm interested yes...

But to be pedantic Option 1 in the poll "Both in LMS Livery" is historically inaccurate. Only 10000 carried full LMS livery. 10001 wasn't delivered until mid 1948 and while delivered in Black & Silver omitted the LMS letters...


You are quite right...

...pedantic.

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If you change the wording for option 1 as per @PLD post for both locos i'd vote for it.
I'd also vote for a Co-Bo if one of them was RTR was well !

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 09:14:36 am »
I would purchase both in early BR Livery; ideally one powered & one dummy for double-heading.

I would also purchase 2 x Co-Bo.

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2017, 09:29:54 am »
This is a great thread, and I hope it does well.

But it would be more helpful if you had done a lot more research before posting the poll, as the crowdfunding boys will want to have more information than most people think is necessary to determine if something is a goer or not, and livery options is top of their list. Indeed, the option I would choose is not on your list. There are MANY variants of the basic liveries applied - one reason why the OO brigade has produced so many different models Here they are with dates, and livery details.



It would therefore help if you expanded your poll to allow for at least the five main livery options:

LMS Black (10000) + Black no logos (10001)
BR Black large early crest
BR Black small early crest
BR Green lined late crest
BR Green eggshell waistband

And give people the option of choosing one or two locomotives in each livery.

You also need to identify the routes these locos ran on, as the wider the distribution of routes these locos had will make them attractive to more buyers.

Only then would you know whether this has any potential to go to production.

I would really like to see it happen, as I want two in BR black early crest, as they ran on the Southern in that livery.

HTH to get things rolling on a more commercially focused keel.

Bob

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2017, 10:23:17 am »
Despite manufacturers saying the cost of a dummy loco is not far off that of a powered one, you could also have an option of one of the LMS twins (and class 28s for that matter) as a dummy, similar to DJ Models class 17 Claytons.
They are both out of my area but I could be interested in both - because I like 'em.

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2017, 10:37:20 am »
Ok.

As per usual, many are missing the point of this exercise. The exact liveries are irrelevant at this stage. Everyone who has commented understands the phrase "The Twins" in this context. I am neither a designer, developer or indeed a detail obsessed enthusiast (to clarify, that's NOT a criticism).

I am merely a forum member who would like to have a rtr version of "The Twins" banging round his track with a rake of coaches behind.

I have done this poll in the hope that one of the smaller producers on here may look and decide it warrants further investigation, nothing more.

If you would like this too, then vote in the poll. Should it progress beyond this point then I'm sure that more professional/ experienced minds would produce options regarding specific liveries.

To finish, thanks for the additional info on liveries, it's very informative, but not part of this very basic poll.

If you'd like a version, whatever colour, livery, crest or number of this loco...

...vote.

As we know, these things are a numbers game nothing more.

If you would like one. Vote. It's that simple.
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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 10:56:25 am »
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Yes voted but given only 20 odd have voted then getting to 500 votes - on the grounds we all want "twins" might take a while. Given APT- e voting you can see the problem.

Full power to your elbow for stating it off. 
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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2017, 11:39:10 am »
I have absolutely no use for models of the Twins, but I'd probably buy a pair (for the same reason I would buy an APT-E ie they are iconic trains).

Having said which I agree with Bob that it would be better if the poll offered more options.  I'd probably vote for two of an alternative livery.

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2017, 11:45:19 am »
I have absolutely no use for models of the Twins, but I'd probably buy a pair (for the same reason I would buy an APT-E ie they are iconic trains).

Having said which I agree with Bob that it would be better if the poll offered more options.  I'd probably vote for two of an alternative livery.

Cheers, Mike


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How would you suggest I amend the poll? My plan was purely to establish how many bodyshells/chassis could be potentially sold. In your experience what is the approx magic  number for a worthwhile production?

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Re: 10000 & 10001 "The Twins" as a ready to run loco.
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2017, 11:52:05 am »
I would have voted for Two in alternative livery so I just voted for the One option.

 

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