!!

Not Registered?

Welcome!  Please register to view all of the new posts and forum boards - some of which are hidden to guests.  After registering and gaining 10 posts you will be able to sell and buy items on our N'porium.

If you have any problems registering, then please check your spam filter before emailing us.  Hotmail users seem to find their emails in the Junk folder.


Thanks for reading,
The NGF Staff.

Poll

Would you be interested in a model of the Esso et al 35T Class A and/or Class B Petroleum and Heavy Oil Tanker wagons.

Yes - Class A - 1 or 2
2 (2.9%)
Yes - Class A - 5 to 10
8 (11.4%)
Yes - Class A - 11 or more
2 (2.9%)
Yes - Class B - 1 or 2
7 (10%)
Yes - Class B - 5 to 10
9 (12.9%)
Yes - Class B - 11 or more
2 (2.9%)
Yes - Both Class A and Class B (any number)
31 (44.3%)
No - Not interested
9 (12.9%)

Total Members Voted: 67

Voting closed: May 31, 2016, 10:02:38 am

Author Topic: Gauging Interest in Commisoning of Esso Class A and Class B 35T tanker Wagons  (Read 6638 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Formerly NtasticShop

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 17713
  • Posts: 846
  • Country: england
  • Gender: Male
    • Facebook
    • Awards
Voted for either as I would need to research a couple of options but realistically 1 or 2 possible more.
Regards
Richard
Formerly NtasticShop
Dapol Apologist (according to RMWeb)
Grumpy Old Git (Late 40s)
Member of NGS (but not allowed to comment)
Why am I surrounded by maroons?

Offline ohlavache

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 25956
  • Posts: 209
  • Country: fr
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
A stupid question from my side.

About the United Molasses tank wagon, is it the one in the bottom half of the following picture with blue ends and marked "UM"?

source: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/odds/9-tankliv.htm

ScottyStitch

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Thanks to everyone who has taken part in the poll so far. Please keep it coming and spread the word.

I'm sure @Bob G  will be along soon and hopefully pleased with progress.

Scotty

Offline REGP

  • Trade Count: (+8)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 19246
  • Posts: 1084
  • Country: england
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Just voted for both A & B, would like 2 or 3 of each in early livery.
Ray

Offline carderrail

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 74
  • Country: gb
    • Awards
Voted for both.... As a guess two of each type/livery.

Tony

 :thankyousign:

ScottyStitch

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
A stupid question from my side.

About the United Molasses tank wagon, is it the one in the bottom half of the following picture with blue ends and marked "UM"?

source: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/odds/9-tankliv.htm


No such thing as a stupid question....

The answer is yes, I think so. We're pretty sure the blue ends were post tops (1974) but not all tanks got the blue ends.

Offline Roy L S

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1612
    • Awards
I have erroneously voted for 5 Class B's. In point of fact I would most likely buy two or three of each in 1957-66 livery.

Roy

Offline ohlavache

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 25956
  • Posts: 209
  • Country: fr
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
I've just voted for a couple of Class B tankers if they are in United Molasses livery.

Offline Rowlie

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 20349
  • 2mm Association Number: 4846
  • Posts: 152
  • Country: wales
    • Awards
Hi, voted for both probably 3 of each pre TOPS, Rowlie

Online Bob G

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 16057
  • Posts: 791
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
I havn't voted my numbers yet - I said I wanted both - but I would say about 16 of Esso A and 16 Esso B - I want nice long trains behind my 9F and/or Crompton pair.

Great thanks to Scott for setting this up as a unique thread and thank you everyone for your votes and hopefully your future support.

Bob

Online Bob G

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 16057
  • Posts: 791
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Whoops, clicked too soon.
Full post is this:

The United Molasses livery I have done most research on.

United Molasses replaced their fleet of unfitted tank wagons during the early 1970s with vacuum brake wagons hired from Tiger Railcar Leasing (TRL). These had been class B wagons used for fuel oil by Gulf, Charringtons and others.  Fleet numbers UM200-264 (TRL48001-48056, then irregular, with UM264 TRL48000).

Build             UM no       TRL No   Livery           Location#      Date
TS029A 1958   UM258   TRL47994    Red, Blue ends   Whitemoor   1980
TS029A 1958   UM264   TRL48000   Red, Blue ends   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029B 1958   UM202   TRL48003   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1980 OOU
TS029B 1958   UM204   TRL48005   Red, overall   Skelton, York   1978
TS029B 1958   UM205   TRL48006   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029B 1958   UM210   TRL48011   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029B 1958   UM211   TRL48012   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1980 OOU
TS029B 1958   UM213   TRL48014   Red, overall   Whitemoor   1980
TS029C 1959   UM217   TRL48018   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029C 1959   UM224   TRL48025   Red, overall   Skelton, York   1978
TS029C 1959   UM228   TRL48029   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1980 OOU
TS029C 1959   UM230   TRL48031   Red, overall   Wellingborough   1980 OOU
TS029D 1960   UM234   TRL48035   Red, overall   Whitemoor   1980
TS029D 1960   UM241   TRL48042   Red, overall*   Wellingborough   1980 OOU
TS029D 1960   UM245   TRL48046   Red, overall*   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029D 1960   UM246   TRL48047   Red, overall*   Whitemoor   1980
TS029E 1962   UM251   TRL48052   Red, Blue ends**   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029E 1962   UM252   TRL48053   Red, Blue ends**   Whitemoor   1980
TS029E 1962   UM253   TRL48054   Red, Blue ends**   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029E 1962   UM254   TRL48055   Red, Blue ends**   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
TS029E 1962   UM255   TRL48056   Red, Blue ends**   Wellingborough   1981 OOU
# Location is where Paul Bartlett photographed the wagon. See http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses
*Ex Charringtons Class B fuel oil
**Ex Gulf TR2 Class B fuel oil

I have called them red, but they really are more buff in colour (I wont tell you what I would really like to describe the colour as  :no: )

This is a pic of the Heljan version

United Molasses Type B tank (O gauge)
United Molasses Type B tank (O gauge)

Offline daveg

  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 22509
  • Posts: 4515
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Class A as they fit my time frame.

Voted 5+. Probably 6 but that's max.

Good luck!  :thumbsup:

Dave G

Online Bob G

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 16057
  • Posts: 791
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Hi
In Scottystich's first post on this thread he gave this slightly erroneous link:

"http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essofawley/e24681a69
Now, this is listed by Paul as 36T, so like I said, some more research is needed. It also lists it as having bottom discharge. The initial ban on bottom unloading was rescinded, I can't remember when."

This link actually applies to the Algeco series with the larger tanks and the full length skirts (like the TTA tank).


No problem. We want folk to see the versions we are considering, and Paul Bartlett has a fantastic resource of pictures.
The correct tank liveries for each variant suggested to date are as follows:

Type A. Grey with Esso logo - 1957-1974             http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/h32cd852b#h32cd852b and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/h3cf96809#h3fc7323d

Type A. Grey without Esso logo - 1974 - 1988       http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/h32cd852b#h3e4276ff and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/h3cf96809#h3cf96809 and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/h3cf96809#h2b58e69c

Type B. Black with Esso logo. 1958-1974              http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#h10b849f4

Type B. Black without Esso logo. 1974-1980         http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#hf69afeb and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#hde6b16a

Type B. Black with ADB/TDB departmental use. 1983-1990.   http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#h1887fdd9 and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#h17f3fde2

The tankless flat wagon (not proposed as a model). http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#hf2a2dbc and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb/h10b849f4#h1476dc1c

Type B. United Molasses brown and blue. 1970-1983.        http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/h5c8f96b#h12b475b9 and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/h5c8f96b#h2405e45

Type B. Regent. 1958-1974.                                             http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/texaco/h228af19b#h228af19b and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/texaco/h228af19b#h2845d6b1

Type B Texaco (the ex Regent wagons, unbranded) 1974-85ish  (not proposed as a wagon as it is too much like the Esso unbranded version)  http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/texaco/h228af19b#h3fd03f9c and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/texaco/h228af19b#h360f94d9

Type B Esso Tank on CEGB twin door mineral wagon chassis (not proposed as a model)  http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbtankwagon/h32c3f99#haed4630 and http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbtankwagon/h32c3f99#h8a87356

Type B. Charringtons. Two detailed variants. 1958-1974. no pic in original livery found yet, but here are the two Heljan O gauge versions:
Charringtons 1
Charringtons 1
Charringtons 2
Charringtons 2


Hope this helps
Bob

Online Bob G

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • N Gauge Society Number: 16057
  • Posts: 791
  • Country: gb
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Weathered or Not?

Personally I would like to produce these in their weathered state, very much like the Dapol painted weathering done on the silver bullet tanks after they had been in service a decade or so and had lost their silver sheen. There are lots of pictures to guide the artist, but that would that maybe add too much to the model price?

What to folk here think?

Bob

Offline newportnobby

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+56)
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • N Gauge Society Number: 21962
  • Posts: 26927
  • Country: england
  • Gender: Male
    • Awards
Providing weathering is done well, I always prefer it over pristine models and tend to order any weathered version. I just have to accept that, unless done individually by hand, weathering will be to the same standard/pattern on each of the items concerned.

 

Please Support Us!
February Goal: £55.00
Due Date: Feb 28
Total Receipts: £60.00
Above Goal: £5.00
Site Currency: GBP
109% 
February Donations


Advertise Here
anything