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Author Topic: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study  (Read 20166 times)

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2015, 09:22:56 am »
KINGS CROSS NRM
Title: King's Cross station, 1959

Date: 1959-08-09

Place: London, England

Description: Class 21 and Class 40 diesel electric locomotives at London's King's Cross station, 9 August 1959.
"© National Railway Museum and SSPL"


The loco on the right doesn't look like a class 40, If it is then it is going to have awful problems turning corners because it has shrouded buffers and a 40 has the buffers on the bogie. It looks awfully like a class 23 Baby Deltic.
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The loco on the right is a Baby Deltic (Class 23) it is just about possible to discern the change from red to light grey on the lower body even though it is a black & white photo -I looked through load of photos of these when I was building mine. apart from this, the class 40's had the buffers mounted on the bogies, which is a dead giveaway

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2015, 11:55:01 am »
In the interests of......well interest, the following has become apparant from a thread on RMWeb:

Regarding Class 29 liveries:

"6100, D6107, D6108, 6119, 6124, 6129, D6137 all received blue repaints with D6108, 6124, 6129 and D6137 having the BR double arrows placed on the cab doors.
 
6101, D6102, 6106, 6112, 6116, D6121, D6123, 6130, 6132 all received full yellow ends whilst in two tone green livery. 6112 received another coat of two tone green paint as late as August 1970 at St. Rollox works.
 
6123 retained its reporting discs until withdrawal.
 
D6109 also underwent body conversion which resulted in it looking like a blue liveried 29 but due to frame damage it retained its MAN engine and saw out the rest of its existence as a 21."

Courtesy of BrushVeteran on RMWeb

And regarding one of teh class 21s:

"Steve T, on 24 Feb 2015 - 21:02, said:

 D6127 and D6151 were definitely scrapped in all over green and I understand D6125 may also have ended its days without getting yellow panels.
 
Just found a phot on D6125  in Diesels and Electrics on Shed Volume 4 - Scottish Region (plate 146). It's purported to have been taken at Parkhead in August 1965 and shows it in all-over green with the secondmans window missing (boiler end) and what appears to be fairly extensive collision damage to the trailing cab."

Courtesy of Steve T on RMWeb

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2015, 03:03:04 pm »
Class 40/Class 23 discussion.

I've dropped NRM a note. We'll see what they say.

Brian
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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2015, 11:28:03 pm »
Class 40/Class 23 discussion.

I've dropped NRM a note. We'll see what they say.

Brian

Wow, quick response from the NRM

Dear Mr Seamans

 

Thank you for your e-mail.  The original British Railways caption only says “King’s Cross, diesel electric locos, 9th August 1959”, but I think you’re right, it is a Baby Deltic.

 

I’ve therefore changed this caption on our image database to read:

 

“Type 2 Bo-Bo diesel electric locomotives at London's King's Cross station, 9 August 1959.

 

British Railways' modernisation plan saw many steam locomotive services replaced by diesel and electric trains in the 1950s.  By 1963 diesel traction had taken over completely from steam at King's Cross.

 

The locomotive at left is D6104, built by the North British Locomotive company in Glasgow.  These engines were later designated Class 21 or Class 29 by British Rail.  The engine at right is a 'Baby Deltic', so called because of its resemblance to the larger Deltic class of locomotives.  The Baby Deltics later became known as Class 23 engines.

 

Bo-Bo is the locomotive's wheel arrangement, with four axles on two bogies, each driven by their own traction motors.”

 

The website is periodically updated from the database, so it might take a little while for this new caption to appear online.  Thank you for pointing out that the original description needed amending.

 

With best wishes

 

Ed Bartholomew

Senior Curator, Image & Sound Collections

 

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2015, 08:42:05 pm »
Result - well done.   :thumbsup:

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2015, 12:50:25 pm »
I'm rather puzzled at Dapol's reluctance to produce the class 21/29's in n-gauge as they already do the class 22 which is very similar although shorter with grilles etc in different places & as they are doing the 21/29's in OO-gauge surely it wouldn't be too difficult to shrink them down to n-gauge as they did with the class 22, besides what are they going to produce next in n-gauge? surely the class 21/29 is now the biggest gap in ready to run classic diesel locomotives!

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #67 on: March 15, 2015, 12:16:29 am »
I'm rather puzzled at Dapol's reluctance to produce the class 21/29's in n-gauge as they already do the class 22 which is very similar although shorter with grilles etc in different places & as they are doing the 21/29's in OO-gauge surely it wouldn't be too difficult to shrink them down to n-gauge as they did with the class 22, besides what are they going to produce next in n-gauge? surely the class 21/29 is now the biggest gap in ready to run classic diesel locomotives!

There is always the Class 28 CoBo also.
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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2015, 01:46:42 am »
BoCo could be scanned to the one at the East Lancs is been rebuilt!

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2015, 08:19:09 am »
The class 28 Co-Bo's are definitely another gap in the n-gauge ready to run market although only 20 of these were produced compared to 58 class 21's. The class 15's & 16's are another obvious gap with a total of 54 produced.

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2015, 02:40:42 pm »
The Dapol website is now showing that both the OO gauge Class 21 and 29 variants will be released at the same time "third quarter 2015".

Scott

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2015, 04:54:25 pm »
Does anyone have any shrinking powder!

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2015, 08:26:24 am »
Just came across this wonderful colour image, outside Inverurie Loco Works:

https://flic.kr/p/fNJDsC

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2015, 09:48:45 am »
And this splendid colour image. Stirling, 1966. Look at the colours!!

https://flic.kr/p/fLRs9u

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Re: NBL Type 2 Class 21/29 - A Crowdfunded Case Study
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2015, 10:01:27 am »
That Stirling photo is superb

 

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