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Title: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on November 28, 2016, 06:04:08 pm
Hi all,

Just a quick picture of what is currently going through the paint shop...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/LNER%20J6s%20Black_zpsunuhttu3.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/LNER%20J6s%20Black_zpsunuhttu3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on November 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
I've been painting the bodies and highlighting some of the rivets. Some very cruel close up pictures, several times actual size...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/J6s%20Highlighted%202%20small_zpsdbdvanbj.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/J6s%20Highlighted%202%20small_zpsdbdvanbj.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/J6s%20Highlighted%20small_zpswnumysjo.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/J6s%20Highlighted%20small_zpswnumysjo.jpg.html)

Please note that for a change I've done no cleanup of the print lines as an experiment to see how these would come out. Tony Wright examined one at the NEC and couldn't see the build lines when viewed at actual size. For reference the J6s are 57mm long!

I've now got CAD for a later BR version of the class. However having had several days of continuous use, the printer now needs some maintenance and recalibration as the prints had dropped noticeably in quality. I hope to have a BR example going through the works later this week.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on December 07, 2016, 08:27:51 pm
What about LMS loco's
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2016, 04:11:13 pm
What about LMS loco's

The LMS made locos!?   :o :goggleeyes:  :smiley-laughing: :laughabovepost::P :P :P :P :beers:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2016, 04:42:32 pm
What about LMS loco's

Paul, I've just sent you a PM.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2016, 06:29:16 pm
These J6s seem like they're breeding! However, this one looks like its a little later in it's life than the previous two...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/BR%20J6_zpsqnjtnjtv.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/BR%20J6_zpsqnjtnjtv.jpg.html)

The differences between the 1930's condition J6s previously shown and this BR condition one include:

- Shorter chimney
- BR number plate and repositioned lamp bracket
- Step on the front of the footplate for the piston tail rods is gone
- Different style and location of boiler washout plugs at the back

A cruel close up which shows that these prints still have some print lines - these are almost invisible on this particular model from normal viewing distances and completely unnoticeable on the two that have had a few coats of paint added.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on December 08, 2016, 07:47:59 pm
Hi Steve

It looks absolutely superb - top notch 3D printing and a really great prototype to choose!

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Mr Sprue on December 08, 2016, 08:24:39 pm
Looking really good Steve. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Tank on December 08, 2016, 09:06:30 pm
Yes, looking very good.  No Class H?!?!   :'(
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 09, 2016, 08:52:03 am
It looks absolutely superb - top notch 3D printing and a really great prototype to choose!

Looking really good Steve. :thumbsup:

Thanks guys.

Roy, I thought you'd like the choice of prototype! This little J6 model feels like it has it's own small production line going now!

Yes, looking very good.  No Class H?!?!   :'(

Thanks Tank! The H will need to be completely redesigned from the ground up to get the best results on this printer. Also, I'm not happy with the choice of the M7 as a donor chassis (solid wheels and variable performance between models) and so I am presently looking for a better option for this locomotive.

Due to poor sales, I'm not planning to update anymore models to Shapeways and, in the short term, I'm looking to make some small batches of models to sell (I was made redundant at the end of October). These will be made on my B9 Creator as I have direct control over the quality of prints.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on December 09, 2016, 10:09:58 am
When we buy a new locomotive we all expect it to work and....oh.....hang on.......is that not what you meant?  :oopssign: :confusedsign:

What price a K1, Steve?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 09, 2016, 10:25:08 am
When we buy a new locomotive we all expect it to work and....oh.....hang on.......is that not what you meant?  :oopssign: :confusedsign:

What price a K1, Steve?

I'll PM you.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Tank on December 09, 2016, 06:22:46 pm
That's fair enough Steve.  It's good to hear that you'd rather sell a product that your only happy with yourself. :thumbsup:  One day...! :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 09, 2016, 06:54:15 pm
Thanks Tank.

Ok, for those of you who are sick of seeing the various incarnations of the loco end of the J6, I've got a new item...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/J6%20Tender%20Back_zps8l2cc1ff.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/J6%20Tender%20Back_zps8l2cc1ff.jpg.html)

Hot off the printer, roughly separated from the supports and a quick squirt of primer... Due to the funny angle I had to print at, I think this one will need a couple of spots touching up with some Mr Surfacer filler.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 08, 2017, 12:09:33 pm
Just to prove that this thread hasn't died...

J6: The tender pictured above came under much scrutiny on another forum and was eventually decided that I'd managed to produce a hybrid of various GNR tender designs. Following a lot of blue language, the tender has been redesigned and, following a maintenance cycle, is currently being printed out to ensure that it still fits the drive unit!

In the meantime I've been having a bit of a play repainting a Dapol 'Gladiator' A3 into LNER apple green...

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-02-08%2011.38.35_zps5pmyhggs.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-02-08%2011.38.35_zps5pmyhggs.jpg.html)

I've had this model for ages (bought as a category B model from DCC supplies for a very low price) and have been meaning to do this repaint for quite a while. Early days for this one; as can been seen from the above picture, I've started to line out the boiler and cab. I decided to keep things simple and emulate the slightly simplified Dapol LNER paint scheme rather than go 'all out' as I'm out of practice. The lowermost horizontal line on the cab will be added but my initial method for doing this didn't work out and so I need to wait for the existing lining to dry before having another go at it. The footplate has had the BR green painted out and I'll be lining out the front frames and painting the buffer stocks black once I've got the GNR tender to a similar state.

I've also repainted and started to line the wheels:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-02-08%2011.38.46_zpstsmrygqm.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-02-08%2011.38.46_zpstsmrygqm.jpg.html)

Believe it or not, I've actually lined the Cartazzi truck at the back... However I think that I need to go over this with a slightly thicker setting on the bow pen so that this is actually visible!

Any ideas why I'm going through all this hurt when there are some nice LNER liveried models available from Dapol?

Finally, I got one of this as a spare from DCC Supplies:

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/2017-02-08%2011.42.35_zpspsmzjpka.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/2017-02-08%2011.42.35_zpspsmzjpka.jpg.html)

Firstly it shows that I've still got quite a bit of work to do on my repainted boiler before it's ready. Secondly, I'm looking forward to doing a boiler swap on one of my other A3s. Technically the streamlined dome is not correct for the locomotive I'm going to model but it's the closest thing to a mid 1930s banjo dome available.


Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on February 08, 2017, 12:15:12 pm
Wot? No bias towards LNER?
 :hmmm:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 08, 2017, 12:38:53 pm
Wot? No bias towards LNER?
 :hmmm:

 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing:

Well as I'm modelling the London end of the ECML in the 1930's some LNER influence is sure to come through!

Don't worry I've got a feasibility study to do at in the future for a non-LNER locomotive.  ;)

...but there is a J52 and A5 to finish designing first!!!!  :D :smiley-laughing:

(Besides, I said that is was a misnomer that I didn't like anything other than the LNER, not that I wasn't bias!)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on February 08, 2017, 04:35:41 pm
Any ideas why I'm going through all this hurt when there are some nice LNER liveried models available from Dapol?

Humorist.....?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 08, 2017, 04:46:28 pm
Wot? No bias towards LNER?
 :hmmm:

Good point LNER needs all the bias it can get.  :-X
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 08, 2017, 07:43:52 pm
Humorist.....?

Funnily enough, you were my top pick to answer that correctly!  :D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on February 08, 2017, 08:30:35 pm
Funnily enough, you were my top pick to answer that correctly!  :D

Could only be that loco, as none other (IIRC) had a double chimney fitted. There are a number of interesting photos of it in "The Power of the A1s,A2s, and A3s", with all manner of smoke deflection and draughting experiments, few of which were asthetically elegent!

Cheers,
Alan

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 08, 2017, 08:41:31 pm
Could only be that loco, as none other (IIRC) had a double chimney fitted. There are a number of interesting photos of it in "The Power of the A1s,A2s, and A3s", with all manner of smoke deflection and draughting experiments, few of which were asthetically elegent!

Yes it is Humorist c.1937. I've not got "The Power of the A1s, A2s and A3s" but the RTCS green series outlines all the various experiments attempted. I was tempted to go for the cut down smoke box door and single stovepipe chimney but in the end I copped out and went with the easier modification (although it could've saved me a complete repaint!).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on February 08, 2017, 08:49:21 pm
Yes it is Humorist c.1937. I've not got "The Power of the A1s, A2s and A3s" but the RTCS green series outlines all the various experiments attempted. I was tempted to go for the cut down smoke box door and single stovepipe chimney but in the end I copped out and went with the easier modification (although it could've saved me a complete repaint!).

The wing deflectors (as later fitted in BR datys for brief periods) were the only asthetically pleasing experiment I think - all the others were pretty ugly! Even the final traditional deflectors it got weren't greatly flattering IMHO.

Worth grabbing the book if you can - mine was secondhand, and a wealth of good photos for reference.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on February 08, 2017, 09:24:47 pm
Looks good.

Is it to be Humorist?

Regards,

Roy Marshall

Apologies - commented before following the rest of the thread!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: mr bachmann on February 08, 2017, 09:39:58 pm
Wot? No bias towards LNER?
 :hmmm:

Good point LNER needs all the bias it can get.  :-X

Looks Nice Even Repainted    :D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 09, 2017, 09:50:04 am
The wing deflectors (as later fitted in BR datys for brief periods) were the only asthetically pleasing experiment I think - all the others were pretty ugly! Even the final traditional deflectors it got weren't greatly flattering IMHO.

Worth grabbing the book if you can - mine was secondhand, and a wealth of good photos for reference.

I think that the double chimney with no deflectors and round dome is the best combination (lucky I'm modelling it that way!) although I do think the earlier experiments did give a very different look to the A3. I also think the ACFI water heater experiments resulted in a very different, if not very aesthetically pleasing look.

If I come across a copy of the book at a reasonable price I'll very very tempted - although finding a place for it amongst all my other reference books could be interesting!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 09, 2017, 09:50:59 am
Looks Nice Even Repainted    :D

Good one! I've not heard that one before. However, I'm not sure if it is a compliment or not!!!!  :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 21, 2017, 01:22:45 pm
Alls been a bit too quiet on here recently. I've been having another low spell in life but seem to be working my way out of it.

Humorist is still in the condition last reported on here and will most likely remain that way until this little lot is sorted out.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-210417121526.jpeg)

Much influence from Doncaster/Darlington in this picture. The plan is to try and get them all progressing at a similar rate before breaking out the airbrush for two or three days worth of spraying. Despite initial appearances, not all of these locos will end up in LNER livery. Several will be off to a new home once they've been finished in BR livery.

The K2 towards the back is one of mine. Mounted on an N class chassis, it's suffered a complete disintegration of its valve gear! I'm currently toying with the idea of adapting some 3MT valve gear I've got which, to be honest, would be more appropriate for this class of locomotive anyway.

Mid term plans may see some locomotives of Crew/Derby origin appearing on here in the future (Paul Price has already been informed  :smiley-laughing: )...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2017, 01:24:47 pm
Alls been a bit too quiet on here recently. I've been having another low spell in life but seem to be working my way out of it.

Humorist is still in the condition last reported on here and will most likely remain that way until this little lot is sorted out.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-210417121526.jpeg[/url])

Much influence from Doncaster/Darlington in this picture. The plan is to try and get them all progressing at a similar rate before breaking out the airbrush for two or three days worth of spraying. Despite initial appearances, not all of these locos will end up in LNER livery. Several will be off to a new home once they've been finished in BR livery.

The K2 towards the back is one of mine. Mounted on an N class chassis, it's suffered a complete disintegration of its valve gear! I'm currently toying with the idea of adapting some 3MT valve gear I've got which, to be honest, would be more appropriate for this class of locomotive anyway.

Mid term plans may see some locomotives of Crew/Derby origin appearing on here in the future (Paul Price has already been informed  :smiley-laughing: )...


How about producing a 3F to fit an older farish 4F chassis HINT HINT HINT
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 21, 2017, 01:32:15 pm
How about producing a 3F to fit an older farish 4F chassis HINT HINT HINT

A Fowler 3P and Stanier mogul (a popular choice at the moment!) are on my midterm hit list at the moment Paul but plenty of good old LNER stuff (and some American 4-4-2 contraption) to clear for other people first... What's wrong with the Union Mills 3F or are we thinking of different locos?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2017, 01:37:07 pm
There is nothing wrong with the union mills model, in fact I have one on my shopping list  :claphappy:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 21, 2017, 01:39:18 pm
There is nothing wrong with the union mills model, in fact I have one on my shopping list  :claphappy:

That's good to know because I would like one too (shhh, don't tell anyone, I've got a reputation to maintain!!!!  :-[ ).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2017, 01:42:54 pm
Not a problem I wont tell a soul.

Lately I have found it hard to get my modelling mojo back again, maybe a spot of retail therapy might help, but being a tight as two coats of paint, maybe it wont.  :-[

I think I need though from Union Mills a 3F, G2 and maybe a Cauliflower?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 21, 2017, 01:52:47 pm
3F and 2P will do me for the moment but like you, I'm skint at the moment...  :(
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 22, 2017, 06:46:28 pm
Ok, I think its time a couple of these locomotives are introduced properly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-220417182937.jpeg)

Above is a D49 Hunt class variant. I've just done my initial fitting of the handrails but it looks like I need to do a little tweaking around the smokebox front. This variant of the D49 class used rotary cam operated Lentz poppet valves so I'll be doing some trimming and altering of the valve gear when I pluck up the courage! I don't know which member of the class this will be yet but hopefully the future owner will know this when I remember to ask them! I do know it needs to be painted in BR mixed traffic black however.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-220417183029.jpeg)

This one is one of the original Shire builds which I've just finished fettling and will be receiving its handrails in the next day or two. The key visual differences on the body are, the lack of steam reverser on the side of the boiler, the box on the running plate above the expansion link, lack of outside steam pipes and only one lubricator. Luckily the Shires used Walschaerts valve gear so no alterations are needed on this one! This one is for me and will become Lincolnshire as it was briefly allocated to Kings Cross between 1928-29; in my universe, it remained as a Kings Cross locomotive into the 1930s and will be seen on Pullman and semi-fast links - the only unknown at this point is whether I adopt the pre or post 1928 apple green livery.

Most of the D49s had stepped out tenders and one to fit over the Dapol motor is being worked on. Lincolnshire was definitely paired with an early stepped tender and in all likelihood the Hunt will be too.

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 23, 2017, 04:52:53 pm
A little more progress but nothing to warrant a further picture. SWMBO is busy this Sunday so I've managed to get the handrails onto the D49 Shire as well.

Two locos down, three to go! Even better, once the K1's handrails are done, I have two nice easy runs with the K3s as these don't have to curve around and over the smokebox door!!!  :bounce:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 24, 2017, 06:39:48 pm
Two more locos received handrails today, both K3s.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-240417183624.jpeg)

I did take a picture of the second loco which is from a Shapeways print for comparison but it didn't come out too well.

Four locomotives with c. 100 handrail knobs, of which I am now out of. Scary when you think I've increased the net worth of each locomotive by around 8 by doing that!

Need some more to sort out the K1 now... and I placed an order with N brass this morning for some more lamp brackets!!!!  :doh:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 24, 2017, 07:52:09 pm
To more locos received handrails today, both K3s.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-240417183624.jpeg[/url])

I did take a picture of the second loco which is from a Shapeways print for comparison but it didn't come out too well.

Four locomotives with c. 100 handrail knobs, of which I am now out of. Scary when you think I've increased the net worth of each locomotive by around 8 by doing that!

Need some more to sort out the K1 now... and I placed an order with N brass this morning for some more lamp brackets!!!!  :doh:


Brilliant just brilliant
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 24, 2017, 08:24:51 pm
Brilliant just brilliant

Thanks Paul!  :D But did you really just compliment an LNER locomotive!!!  ;) :P
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on April 24, 2017, 08:51:46 pm
Hi Steve

Awesome work!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 25, 2017, 06:37:12 am
Brilliant just brilliant

Thanks Paul!  :D But did you really just compliment an LNER locomotive!!!  ;) :P

I blame my age at 41 Im getting very old
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 25, 2017, 08:52:44 am
Thanks Roy! I'm not sure it ranks as awesome but I'm happy with how these are turning out.  :D

I blame my age at 41 Im getting very old

That explains it then! I've got a smidge over half a decade to go until I get as forgetful as you then!  :P Changing the subject slight, how's the lining out of your locomotives going?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 25, 2017, 09:53:06 am
Thanks Roy! I'm not sure it ranks as awesome but I'm happy with how these are turning out.  :D

I blame my age at 41 Im getting very old

That explains it then! I've got a smidge over half a decade to go until I get as forgetful as you then!  :P Changing the subject slight, how's the lining out of your locomotives going?

Sorry who are you again, my memory is not what is use to, sorry who are you again, are you Nurse........

I have taken a break from it, I have most of the major parts for the Fowler and Stanier loco completed, I had a little free time last night and the DO said I could play with my trains, so I weathered my new Stove R's and Collett Brake

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 25, 2017, 10:48:14 am
Sorry who are you again, my memory is not what is use to, sorry who are you again, are you Nurse........

All you need to remember is that I am call sir, I am in charge and your job is to do exactly as I say....  >:D >:D >:D :smiley-laughing:

I have taken a break from it, I have most of the major parts for the Fowler and Stanier loco completed, I had a little free time last night and the DO said I could play with my trains, so I weathered my new Stove R's and Collett Brake

Fair enough, it sounds like you've got plenty of other things to keep you occupied until you're ready to go back to it. What you've done so far does look very good!

...Look, you've got me at it now! Complimenting LMS locomotives, what is the world coming to! Nurse! I need my pills, quick! Quick, I say!!!!  :help:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 25, 2017, 11:14:34 am
The last time I called anyone Sir, it was at the Matron at School, a fine woman she was too, she had a jolly impressive beard too, very distinctive, good hips on her..........any way I digress

I might do some more work on the loco's tonight, that's if I'm deemed a good boy and the DO lets me.

I think I'm getting a bit of a thing for LNER loco's I was contemplating the other day, about a A3 thingy bob, was one called Columbo, great detective maybe a reason to have a loco?

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2017, 11:23:18 am
The last time I called anyone Sir, it was at the Matron at School, a fine woman she was too, she had a jolly impressive beard too, very distinctive, good hips on her..........any way I digress


That sounds like it might have been my Mum :worried:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 25, 2017, 11:54:28 am
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Terrible thing to say Mick! But thanks for the laugh!

Paul: Columbo was great (but can't get my girlfriend into it!). But, did he really have a wife? He told such fascinating stories about her but I don't ever recall her being seen on screen... Maybe she looked like that Matron you described!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on April 25, 2017, 11:58:47 am
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

Terrible thing to say Mick! But thanks for the laugh!

Paul: Columbo was great (but can't get my girlfriend into it!). But, did he really have a wife? He told such fascinating stories about her but I don't ever recall her being seen on screen... Maybe she looked like that Matron you described!  :smiley-laughing:

Columbo is a legend, he referred to Mrs Columbo a lot so I guess he must have....... Matron looked like Margaret Rutherford, hubba hubba now that was a woman, almost enough to turn me straight lol  :-[
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 25, 2017, 12:16:31 pm
Columbo is a legend, he referred to Mrs Columbo a lot so I guess he must have....... Matron looked like Margaret Rutherford, hubba hubba now that was a woman, almost enough to turn me straight lol  :-[

I just had to look up who Margaret Rutherford was!  :-[ You're right, such a fine looking woman but surely not enough facial hair for your own good tastes?!  :P

Right, off to do some modelling stuff! Remember Mr Price, I'm in charge and you do as I say: go build an LNER layout!  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 25, 2017, 06:53:12 pm
Right now that Paul Price bloke isn't here, I'll sneak in a couple more in progress pictures. (Don't anyone tell him I said that, he won't talk to me anymore if he found out!!!  :( :help: :help:) )

First up is a picture of the front end of the K3s. I had a bit of a moment thinking what would Dr Al do now and then it hit me, lamp brackets!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-250417184612.jpeg)

The I did the D49 (Shire). I also drilled out some holes to fit the hand grabs at the front end - luckily I remembered to do this before fitting the lamp irons!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-250417184424.jpeg)

Looking at the cruel close up of the K3s, I think I might have to add a separate lamp iron on the smokebox door now...  :doh:

Interesting to note that the most (but not all) of the reference pictures I found of the K3s show four lamp irons above the buffer beam while the D49s only seem to have ever had three...  :hmmm:

This just about completes the detailing for these three locomotives prior to painting. I'll be added vac pipes and coupling hooks afterwards.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: austinbob on April 25, 2017, 06:59:57 pm
That's amazing work. It's easy to forget how small those lamp brackets are and what good eyesight and steady hands are required for that level of detail. Beautiful....
 :beers:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 26, 2017, 08:57:54 am
Thank you Bob!  :D However, I think that credit is due to the likes of Dr Al, Gareth (thebrighton), Paul Price, Hailstone and a host of other excellent modellers, both here and elsewhere, who inspire and push me to try new and crazier things!

Somebody has suggested that I add the piping to the lubricators, however considering that I'd need to add at least six pieces of 0.1mm brass wire to a small box around 2mm cubed, I think that this is one to accept won't be happening!

Things on the K3s and D49s is progressing rapidly and I'm fast approaching the point where I'll need to be altering the D49 Hunt class's valve gear to create a representation of the rotary cam valve gear. This is something I'm going to have to approach with more than some trepidation as it is a very distinctive part of the overall look of the locomotive and I don't want to wreck the bits of valve gear I'd like to keep. Still that's (thankfully) still something for another day, I've still got lamp brackets to fit to that particular locomotive today!
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Post by: Atso on April 26, 2017, 12:40:28 pm
Ok, this mornings efforts... You will be forgiven if you think you're reading the 'Tales of Doom' thread (minus the incredibly witty writing style of that poster!) with this.

Well it's a bright new day and I was looking forward to a repeat of my first ever lamp iron fitting experience yesterday... Off I go merrily cutting off the lamp irons I'll need for the D49 Hunt class and, just as I've finished this, I realised that I hadn't drilled the holes for (and fitted!) the front hand grabs!

Not a problem, I'll just put the lamp irons to one side. They'll be safe just over here....

Off I got with a 0.4mm drill bit in a pin chuck. Now normally I'd place the model on the workbench and drill downwards but today for some reason I was holding the model while drilling. Well, if you're of a cynical nature, you've probably guessed what happens next... OUCH! The drill passes through the model (hole successfully drilled!) and into my finger!!!! Blood was finally spilt and the air turned blue.....  :censored: :censored: :censored:

Bleeding stopped and I drilled the next three holes without incident... Wait a minute.... What happened to those lamp brackets??? I'm sure that there was four a moment ago but now there is only one! ...the air once again turns blue...  :censored: :censored: :censored: I thought at this point I'd better leave cutting more off until I'm done bending up the wire for the hand grabs.

For handrails and such like, I prefer to use 10 thou electric guitar wire. While it is a bit more difficult to bend to shape, it is very strong and takes a lot of abuse before distorting once on the model - I cut myself a length of wire and make the first 90 degree bend. Now the next bend is a bit more difficult as it is less than 3mm away from the first bend and I've not got any pliers that are thin enough for this. Yesterday this wasn't a problem as I found that I could make the bend successfully by hand... (Anybody want to guess what happened next?) OUCH!!!! The wire slips from my grip and pings into my hand causing a nice scratch around 2 cm long which then proceeds to bleed profusely! The air turns blue... AGAIN!  :censored: :censored: :censored:

Bleeding stopped and me starting to feel like I'm Reg Prescott trying to demonstrate DIY on the Kenny Everett show, I have another go at bending the handrail (much more carefully and I was thinking of putting the welding gloves on but then decided that it was probably better not to damage them!). Success! One hand grab formed! Holes glued (incidentally so was the scratch to stop the bleeding!) and handrail fitted!  :D Next handrail... bends successful... offered up to the model, it fits... trim to length using wire cutters... both ends covered with bluetack to prevent pinging OUCH!!!! The wire cutters cause one of the excess lengths to shot straight through the bluetack (normally such a good safety measure!) and into my finger (about 5mm in)! Blue air decided it's not bothering to go away this time as it keeps getting called back!!!  :censored: :censored: :censored:

Wire removed from my finger and bleeding stopped... Time to fit the hand grab... Holes glued... handrail almost fitted... OUCH!!!! I slip and the nicely 'U' shaped piece of wire decides it is going to depart from the model and staple the upper part of another one of my fingers! Blue air complains that it being overworked, underpaid and goes off to phone it's union representative!  :censored: :censored: :censored: Wire removed with some effort from my finger (lost the wire in the process!), bleeding stopped... had a cup of tea to restore my spirits... back to the model...

I've now got to make up yet another hand grab! Got everything bent up, test fitted, just got to trim to length. Blu Tack and tape now being used to stop any chance of excess wire entering my body... Clip... OUCH!!!! Somehow the excess wire has managed to break free from the blu tack and tape but this time it has embedded itself into my right check (HOW?!!!?)  :goggleeyes: Blue air packs its bags tells me it is all over between us and that it is never coming back!  :censored: :censored: :censored: No blood this time (should I be worried that there is apparently no blood in my face but lots in my fingers?). Back to the model... two of the missing lamp irons have mysteriously returned and I've found the only one that I lost yesterday. Hand grab very gingerly placed into position and glued in place....

After this things get boring as it was actually plain sailing for here. I rarely injure myself modelling but the D49 seemed determined to make up for that today! I have literally shed blood and tears (but no sweat yet) over this model and my skin is very much wondering if it should following the blue air's example and leave me to pursue a new career as a collender!

So, without further ado, the detailed front end of the D49 Hunt!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-260417123453.jpeg)

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Post by: thebrighton on April 26, 2017, 05:28:06 pm
Reg Prescott - probably my favourite character from my childhood :) It's a dangerous hobby isn't it although my injuries are normally soldering iron related trying to solder very small bits together.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 26, 2017, 06:08:22 pm
Reg Prescott - probably my favourite character from my childhood :) It's a dangerous hobby isn't it although my injuries are normally soldering iron related trying to solder very small bits together.

Gareth, great to hear from you! How have you been?

Reg Prescott was a favourite of mine as well as a few friends from school - unfortunately as repeats as dear old Kenny had been gone a couple of years by that point.  :(

Yes, the hobby is dangerous and I've had some incidents in the past! However, I've never had such consistent misfortune while carrying out one fairly minor task before - I thought I should write about it! Soldering is painful and while I've so far not managed to drop the iron on me or touch it be its hot bit (so far anyway!), I've have managed to gain some lovely raw finger ends from holding bits of metal and dwelling with the iron that faction too long on several occasions!  :-[

Soldering is a fairly new skill to me and I still have moments where two pieces of metal just don't want to be joined. However, this is always my own fault and I'm now capable of figuring out what I'm doing wrong on most occasions.

Please tell me that you are working on some new and wonderful model again!  :D
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Post by: paulprice on April 26, 2017, 07:08:16 pm
Reg Prescott - probably my favourite character from my childhood :) It's a dangerous hobby isn't it although my injuries are normally soldering iron related trying to solder very small bits together.

Gareth, great to hear from you! How have you been?

Reg Prescott was a favourite of mine as well as a few friends from school - unfortunately as repeats as dear old Kenny had been gone a couple of years by that point.  :(

Yes, the hobby is dangerous and I've had some incidents in the past! However, I've never had such consistent misfortune while carrying out one fairly minor task before - I thought I should write about it! Soldering is painful and while I've so far not managed to drop the iron on me or touch it be its hot bit (so far anyway!), I've have managed to gain some lovely raw finger ends from holding bits of metal and dwelling with the iron that faction too long on several occasions!  :-[

Soldering is a fairly new skill to me and I still have moments where two pieces of metal just don't want to be joined. However, this is always my own fault and I'm now capable of figuring out what I'm doing wrong on most occasions.

Please tell me that you are working on some new and wonderful model again!  :D

Ha I can beat you on that, I can now only use my soldering iron under the supervision of the Domestic Overlord :( and all because I had a little miss-hap that could have happened to anyone.

Let me set the scene, I was allowed a little freedom, normally when this happens I don the blue face paint, grad a skirt from the dressing up box, and come over all Scottish. Anyway on this occasion I thought sod the make up I would get down to some serious modelling.

So out came the soldering iron and I set off to work on the fiddle yard, anyway after a while I was happily in my little bubble and the mobile rang. You can guess what happened, no before you say it I did not put the hot iron to my ear, THAT WOULD BE STUPID.

I put on my posh phone voice and answered the phone, after a minute or so I got this massive craving for a Bacon sandwhich, which I thought was strange, but I could just not get the smell of bacon out of my head. Then I noticed I had put the hot iron in my jeans pocket.

THEN THE PAIN hit me, nearly as bad as the embarrassment of hobbling downstairs to admit to the DO what I have done.  Pity really I like those jeans, anyway ever since then as soon as I smell bacon cooking I get a strange twitch.

The moral to this story is if you do put your soldering iron in your pocket, make sure your DO is not around to poor ridicule on you
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 26, 2017, 07:33:07 pm
Mr Price, what are you like!?  :o :o :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

That reminds me on an unfortunate incident back at secondary school which, thankfully, did not involve me!

Metalwork class and we've been having to do some brazing (or heating for bending - this was twenty years ago!) of some metal pieces. One chap took his nice glowing red piece of metal and then got distracted by another friend and they got into a chat. He then absent mindedly put the metal down on the desk and turned back to his mate (who also wasn't me). Now, back when I was at school, and I'm sure this is the case with every child at every school since time began, we were forever getting told off for sitting on desks and talking... I'm sure you can work out the rest.  :o  :doh:

We never did let him live that down and the teacher never forgave him for scorching the workbench by putting red hot metal down on it!

Right I'm feeling peckish... a bacon sandwich would go down nicely right now...  :P
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2017, 09:04:00 pm
And people ask why so many of us buy RTR and don't modify them ::) :P
This from someone who today flicked the plastic guard off a craft knife and immediately gashed the top of my thumb on the knife :doh:
Nowhere near as bad as you guys but I am on a strong dosage of blood thinners :worried:
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Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 08:52:04 am
And people ask why so many of us buy RTR and don't modify them ::) :P
This from someone who today flicked the plastic guard off a craft knife and immediately gashed the top of my thumb on the knife :doh:
Nowhere near as bad as you guys but I am on a strong dosage of blood thinners :worried:

Goodness Mick, at least I managed to start some actual work before injuring myself!  :smiley-laughing: I do hope that you are ok though.

Annoyingly, there appears to be very little physical evidence today of my misfortunes yesterday - must try harder in the future!  :D There are a few tender places though...   :'(
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Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 10:28:36 am
Right back to some modelling - we'll see how long that lasts on this thread today!!!  :smiley-laughing:

While I'm on a bit of a roll, I thought I'd retrospectively add lamp brackets to the trio of J6s...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417102050.jpeg)

The eagle eyed among you might notice a couple of differences between the two leading J6s (assuming you can make out anything from my poor photography effort this morning.

I've also got a plausible explanation regarding the four lamp irons above the buffer beams of certain locomotives. It would appear that this was a GNR feature that continued on LNER built locomotives to GNR designs. However it would seem, from photographs that some locomotives had these reduced to only three during works visits after 1928. As with most things to do with the LNER this seems to have been haphazardly employed.

In other news, I think I've crack the tender design for the D49s! Fingers crossed the print (finally!) fits the tender frames so that I can work to catch that end of the locomotives up with the front!
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Post by: paulprice on April 27, 2017, 11:10:15 am
Right back to some modelling - we'll see how long that lasts on this thread today!!!  :smiley-laughing:

While I'm on a bit of a roll, I thought I'd retrospectively add lamp brackets to the trio of J6s...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417102050.jpeg[/url])

The eagle eyed among you might notice a couple of differences between the two leading J6s (assuming you can make out anything from my poor photography effort this morning.

I've also got a plausible explanation regarding the four lamp irons above the buffer beams of certain locomotives. It would appear that this was a GNR feature that continued on LNER built locomotives to GNR designs. However it would seem, from photographs that some locomotives had these reduced to only three during works visits after 1928. As with most things to do with the LNER this seems to have been haphazardly employed.

In other news, I think I've crack the tender design for the D49s! Fingers crossed the print (finally!) fits the tender frames so that I can work to catch that end of the locomotives up with the front!


Looking good, lamp irons and proper handrails are two things I might try getting round to at some point. I want a 3D printer though.....
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 11:23:29 am
Looking good, lamp irons and proper handrails are two things I might try getting round to at some point. I want a 3D printer though.....

Thanks Paul. I've got a D11 and J11 (both from Union Mills) that are (very) slowly undergoing the Dr Al treatment. One thing I have learnt about this is that it is far far easier to drill the holes to clearance on a resin print than it is to drill them from scratch on a metal model!

The biggest piece of advice I can give on 3D printers is anything below around 2k is not worth getting at the moment! Best place to start is to learn one of the free CAD programmes and get a third party bureau to print them for you initially - although if, like me, you like to go through several design iterations/phases, it can get very expensive to go down that route!
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Post by: Hailstone on April 27, 2017, 01:01:01 pm

Thanks Paul. I've got a D11 and J11 (both from Union Mills) that are (very) slowly undergoing the Dr Al treatment. One thing I have learnt about this is that it is far far easier to drill the holes to clearance on a resin print than it is to drill them from scratch on a metal model!


I have had a 66xx tank on my workbench for at least 2 years now and have still not finished drilling handrail holes! a set of blunt 0.35 drills didn't help, but every so often I have another bash at it (it's much easier to drill holes in FUD!!)  :laugh:

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 01:22:54 pm
I have had a 66xx tank on my workbench for at least 2 years now and have still not finished drilling handrail holes! a set of blunt 0.35 drills didn't help, but every so often I have another bash at it (it's much easier to drill holes in FUD!!)  :laugh:


Too true Alex!  :laughabovepost:

Ok, the tender print is done and fits the frames!  :D That's the good news... The bad news is that I've designed the flared top too thin so if you so much as breathe on it, it disintegrates!  :( :(

I've done a bit of redesigning to strengthen the flare without compromising the look of the model and a new print is on the go. Fingers crossed that it'll be strong enough to withstand handling this time!

In the meantime, following some interesting conversations with another modeller on this site, I thought I'd find the various bits and pieces from a long shelved project to do a bit of investigation on.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417130001.jpeg)

Above is an old Farish J69 bodyshell. The original chassis has long since given up the ghost and, as you can see, many years ago I had a stab at modifying a Union Mills tender drive to fit underneath it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417130055.jpeg)

The tender drive/chassis isn't much to look at and with my home brewed pickups fitted, it ran like a dog. However, I think that there may be some merit in this approach so I might see about getting things running. I think that the key thing is that I can loose what's left of the drive chain that is no longer driven. I'm also going to lose the motor mount as, it interfered with the badly made homebrewed coupling rods (thankfully lost in the mists of time!). This will mean that the Union Mills motor will no longer be attached to anything but I don't think this matters as I'm looking into potentially using one of Nigel Lawtons mini motors (or maybe one of the 716 motors that briefly became available on ebay last year and seem to be the same type that power the newest Farish models).

Wheels: I'm not happy with my Union Mills driving wheel bodge so I may well have a go at trying to fit these ones off a scrapped Fleischmann locomotive.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417130136.jpeg)

I did briefly toy with the idea of trying to drill out the Fleischmann block to take a gear train as it would save me from the problem of coupling rods. However, the coupled wheelbase is a bit too short to properly represent a J69.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417130208.jpeg)

Another option could be to use the Dapol Ivatt or Prairie tank chassis, gears and coupling rods with a new motor as, while a little too long, the plastic chassis might be easier to adapt. However, I'm aware that the running qualities of these locomotives has been described as a bit variable. As you can tell, I'm far from decided as to how I'm going to tackle this. What does everyone else think?

Don't expect quick results with this, it's just something to pass the time with in between other bits and pieces.
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Post by: Hailstone on April 27, 2017, 01:32:49 pm
You are a braver man Than I am Steve! - I will watch this with interest, as I have a couple of these and have long wanted to find an alternative chassis.

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 02:22:31 pm
Thanks Alex, don't hold your breathe on this one though!

Ok, the first piece of renewed investigation into this is to find some drawings. I have a copy of the Roche scale drawings (dated Sep 1948!) which I've scaled down to N gauge and offered the body to these.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417140528.jpeg)

Hopefully, the first thing that you will think is that the old Farish body is too long - and you'll be right! Dead scale would put the locomotive at just a smidge under 50.4mm in length over the buffer beams. However the Farish body comes out at 53.75mm or 1.06 times bigger. Factor in that the tanks are too high and the boiler is somewhat over fed and you'll quickly come to the conclusion that this is not a scale model!

That's not to say that I am criticising Farish's efforts, far from it. This model dates way back to the beginnings of Farish's N gauge adventures in the 1960s (was this the first locomotive released?) and I think that it represents an incredible achievement to squeeze a working chassis into such a tiny space! In addition, while not up to modern standards, the detailing is quite nice than the designer/tool maker made a great effort to capture as much as they did.

Those of you who have studied the bit of the drawing visible can see that the wheelbase should be 6'4 by 7'6 (or 13'10 - 28.5mm in N gauge), just a smidge over an LNER standard tender which is 6'3 by 7'3 (13'6 - 27.81mm). However if I scale the overall wheelbase by 1.06 to match the body it now comes out at 30.21mm. The Dapol Ivatt and 45xx chassis both have a coupled wheelbase of 7' by 7'9 (14'9 total - 30.38mm in N gauge) so it would appear that the Ivatt or 45xx chassis would be a close match in overall wheelbase (and around 0.3-0.4mm out around the centre axle) while keeping to the stretched proportions of the Farish J69 body.

Hopefully you've been able to follow my reasoning here.

Some additional food for thought here...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 27, 2017, 04:15:09 pm
Ok, one more post from me (I'm sure you're all getting bore of these updates now!).

I've parked the J69 again as I don't have either a Dapol Ivatt or 45xx chassis to play with...

So, while waiting for yet another D49 tender body to finish printing, I've been messing around with a little more detailing on one of the J6s. It has now gained an etched coupling hook (2mm association product) and a vac pipe. The vacuum pipe I'm quite proud of as it is simply a piece of 18 gauge guitar wire with some of the winding stripped off and fitting to a handrail knob to represent the fixing bracket. I'm sure that this is far from an original idea but I think for the first time I'm starting to get a feel for how these models will look when finished.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417160606.jpeg)

The vac pipe isn't permanently attached yet as I'll paint it before final fitting.

Edit: It seems rather quiet around here today... Anyone seen that Paul Price person????  :hmmm:
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Post by: Jonas on April 28, 2017, 09:57:12 am
Some great detailing work on their thread, very inspiration!
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Post by: Atso on April 28, 2017, 10:51:50 am
Some great detailing work on their thread, very inspiration!


Thanks Jonas! I've just posted on your own thread about your exception work on those 37s!

Looking at the photo of the J6, I keep thinking that the vacuum pipe looks a bit overscale. However, it's been measured up and made on top of a set of scaled down drawings so it must be right.

What does everyone else think of it?

Moving back to the D49s: I've finally cracked the tender! It now fits over the Dapol donor frames/motor and the flare is now strong enough to resist handling!

The print is a little rougher than I would like but this is a compromise to be able to print the various details on it - nothing some sanding (which is standard for all my prints) and Mr Surfacer won't cure...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-280417104852.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Jonas on April 28, 2017, 04:48:25 pm
I think the vacuum pipe will look great when painted an almost black colour. The bare metal will be reflecting the light and making it look bigger! I'd give it a lick of paint before deciding I think.

The 3D prints look amazing!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 28, 2017, 06:14:23 pm
Thank Jonas, the prints are starting to scrub up well are they?  :D

The pipe has been painted black and I've picked out the flexible hose section in a dark brown. Once dry I'll refit it to the model and see how it looks.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 29, 2017, 10:29:50 am
Following the somewhat unsuccessful attempt to utilize a Union Mills tender drive under a more of less scale tender and with the help and advice of a fellow forum member, I've finally gotten around to redesigning the J6's tender to fit the Farish J39 drive. Slightly stretched but not looking anywhere near as out of proportion as I'd first feared.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-290417102341.jpeg)

Not all is fitting quite right and I expect to go through another couple of prints before I'm 100% with the fit. This does mean that the J6's will hopefully be a straight swap for the J39 bodies (accepting that the lubricator drive will have to be removed from the J39 chassis).

Lamp brackets have been painted as has the vac pipe which isn't glued into place yet - does the pipe look overscale? I think that Jonas was right that painting has given it a better sense of proportion (it is actually to scale!).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on April 29, 2017, 11:48:50 am
Lovely job there Steve, it really looks the part and on the track most will not even notice the slight stretch. That there is no chassis surgery necessary is really handy. Presumably J39 tender chassis weight reused so doubling up as a means to fix the chassis on the tender using existing screws?

Also, assuming the DCC socket has been removed to keep to the lower tender profile is there still room for hardwiring a small DCC chip if needed?

Regards

Roy

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 30, 2017, 05:37:24 pm
Lovely job there Steve, it really looks the part and on the track most will not even notice the slight stretch. That there is no chassis surgery necessary is really handy. Presumably J39 tender chassis weight reused so doubling up as a means to fix the chassis on the tender using existing screws?

Also, assuming the DCC socket has been removed to keep to the lower tender profile is there still room for hardwiring a small DCC chip if needed?

Regards

Roy

Thanks Roy.  :)

The only chassis surgery necessary is the removal of the lubricator drive on the locomotive and, ideally, the bracket that supports it from the chassis. So far I'm working out the fit issues surrounding reusing the Farish tender weight but the front end and the DCC chip is proving to be a little more of a problem. The tender drive in picture has been stripped of its DCC chip but I'm sure that I can find the compromise that allows everything to fit while retaining the character of the prototype.

Not much else to report really. Being a bank holiday weekend, I really thought I should spend at least a bit of it with my better half. That said I've managed to find some to start painting up some buffers, chemically blacken some etched coupling hooks (I really should have done that on the first one I fitted!), rub down one of the D49 tenders and made up a few more vacuum pipes!

Speaking of vacuum pipes, on the first one I managed to force fit the handrail knob to the thicker wire - this worked but I almost destroyed the handrail knob in the process! On the next couple I've made up, I drilled the hole in the knob out to 0.4mm which proved to be surprisingly easy. The homemade vacuum pipes now fit easily onto the knob and overall it takes less time to drill out the hole than to try and force fit it.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on April 30, 2017, 06:01:30 pm
Hi Steve

Good to learn you are trying to reuse the existing weight.

A hard wired decoder won't need a lot of space, by way of just one example, the Lenz Silver Mini is only L 10.6 x W 7.5 x H 2.6mm!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on April 30, 2017, 06:41:11 pm
I'd like to reuse the existing decoder socket if possible - saves a little bit of work regardless if running on DCC or not... I've got a cunning plan based on my experience of having to study the Dapol tender top in far greater detail than most others would! Fingers crossed all pans out.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 06, 2017, 12:52:41 pm
I'm still playing around with the J6 tenders trying to get them to fit the Farish chassis and weight! However, I have finally gotten around to adding the handrails to the D49 tenders and detailed up the remaining two J6 locomotive front ends.

However, this is not the reason for my posting today but to share my bargain buy!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-060517124149.jpeg)

A total of 3.98 has been expended for the two lovely little toys above which included postage and packing. Even more impressive is that I purchased them yesterday and they arrived today!

These are the copies/rereleases of the old Matchbox 'Models of Yesteryear' trams. While basic, I've seen some great things done with these and, while a tiny bit overscale, I think that they look like a better starting point than the Oxford Diecast tram. While London tramways were starting to decline in the 1930s they didn't stop running until the 1950s and this is something that I'd love to include on a layout (preferably motorised). However, like the J69, these will be a longer term project so don't expect much progress on them for a little while yet.

To see how well these toys can scrub up, have a look at the youtube video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7-_XBBN8ps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7-_XBBN8ps)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 11, 2017, 12:41:56 pm
Hi all,

Back to the original locomotives... I've been busy masking and spraying the last couple of days. While nearly all of the locomotives are to be in various black liveries, one needed to be painted in apple green:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-110517123445.jpeg)

I've got a couple of areas to touch up but overall I've very happy with how this came out considering what a PITA it was to mask up!

Interesting to see just how different the green is between the loco body and the bogie wheels (off a Dapol B1). Repainting these will have to happen over the next few days as well.

I've also noticed from the picture above that I've lost a lamp bracket, I think I'll leave that for the moment and replace it once I've lined the loco out.

The etched van kits from my rolling stock thread have also been getting the airbrush treatment (finally!). I'll post up some pictures there once they've dried.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on May 11, 2017, 01:30:34 pm
Hi all,

Back to the original locomotives... I've been busy masking and spraying the last couple of days. While nearly all of the locomotives are to be in various black liveries, one needed to be painted in apple green:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-110517123445.jpeg[/url])

I've got a couple of areas to touch up but overall I've very happy with how this came out considering what a PITA it was to mask up!

Interesting to see just how different the green is between the loco body and the bogie wheels (off a Dapol B1). Repainting these will have to happen over the next few days as well.

I've also noticed from the picture above that I've lost a lamp bracket, I think I'll leave that for the moment and replace it once I've lined the loco out.

The etched van kits from my rolling stock thread have also been getting the airbrush treatment (finally!). I'll post up some pictures there once they've dried.


Steve- Quick the paint on your loco has gone a mouldy green colour, out with the stripper........ or any other scantily clad person  :P

Actually its looking really good, I kind on like line apple green........Oh my god, is this the start of being turned to the Easter side... :'( :'(
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 11, 2017, 01:47:32 pm
Steve- Quick the paint on your loco has gone a mouldy green colour, out with the stripper........ or any other scantily clad person  :P

Stripper? Does the domestic overlord know about this?

Nothing wrong with a nice bit of green... It could be worse, it could've been crimson!

Actually its looking really good, I kind on like line apple green........Oh my god, is this the start of being turned to the Easter side... :'( :'(

Thanks Paul!  :D I'll convert you to a proper railway company yet!  >:D >:D >:D


Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2017, 02:01:58 pm
I've no idea what the loco is but it does look very good, Steve.
By Eastern do you mean Oriental? :dunce:
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Post by: Atso on May 11, 2017, 02:17:42 pm
I've no idea what the loco is but it does look very good, Steve.

Thanks Mick. It's a D49 which was distinctive for three things:

- It was the first new design of express passenger locomotive produced by the LNER - the Gresley A1s were a Great Northern pre grouping design.
- It was the last 4-4-0 type the LNER built.
- It was the most powerful 4-4-0 in the country until the advent of the Southern Schools class.

This one will be Lincolnshire which had the distinction of being the only D49 allocated to Kings Cross (albeit briefly) and therefore the only one I could realistically justify within my geographical and time frame constraints. I've decided that I'm going to model her in the earlier LNER livery with number on the tender. This also means that I need to knock up a works plate for the cab side - and line around it!  :worried:

By Eastern do you mean Oriental? :dunce:

With Paul, it could mean anything!  :smiley-laughing: However, I'm going to interpret that as a sign that he is starting to see the light and move over to all things Gresley!  8)
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2017, 03:08:51 pm
Thanks for the detail on the D49 as I'd only heard of the 'Peak' diseasel. ;D

I've no idea what the loco is but it does look very good, Steve.

Thanks Mick. It's a D49 which was distinctive for three things:

By Eastern do you mean Oriental? :dunce:

With Paul, it could mean anything!  :smiley-laughing: However, I'm going to interpret that as a sign that he is starting to see the light and move over to all things Gresley!  8)


I think that would only happen if they were fitted with an Ivatt whistle. Poor Sir N. never did make a decent one :no: ;)
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Post by: Hailstone on May 11, 2017, 04:14:50 pm

I think that would only happen if they were fitted with an Ivatt whistle. Poor Sir N. never did make a decent one :no: ;)

And what about the A4 chime whistles then Mick?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 11, 2017, 07:12:11 pm
...and then there were four...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-110517191111.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2017, 08:43:04 pm

I think that would only happen if they were fitted with an Ivatt whistle. Poor Sir N. never did make a decent one :no: ;)

And what about the A4 chime whistles then Mick?

Regards,

Alex

Watery rubbish, Alex. And what's that 'thing' on the Flying Scotsman supposed to be?
I used to work just up the hill from the Severn Valley Railway and, when they had visiting steam locos for a weekend, I could always tell when the A4 chimed. :unimpressed:
Sorry!
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Post by: Hailstone on May 12, 2017, 11:52:38 am

I think that would only happen if they were fitted with an Ivatt whistle. Poor Sir N. never did make a decent one :no: ;)

And what about the A4 chime whistles then Mick?

Regards,

Alex

Watery rubbish, Alex. And what's that 'thing' on the Flying Scotsman supposed to be?
I used to work just up the hill from the Severn Valley Railway and, when they had visiting steam locos for a weekend, I could always tell when the A4 chimed. :unimpressed:
Sorry!

For Ivatt whistle, read Stanier hooter, two types - one designed to be mounted vertically, one designed to be mounted Horizontally.
personally, my favourite is the one mounted on Bullied pacifics.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 12, 2017, 01:43:25 pm
Watery rubbish, Alex. And what's that 'thing' on the Flying Scotsman supposed to be?
I used to work just up the hill from the Severn Valley Railway and, when they had visiting steam locos for a weekend, I could always tell when the A4 chimed. :unimpressed:
Sorry!


To be honest, whats in a whistle? 125 mph from Mallard and Bittern now holding the honour of being the second fastest locomotive in preservation (93 mph) on the other hand...  :D :P

Anyway, the nerve racking bit has started this afternoon... LINING!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-120517133111.jpeg)

Despite the evidence in the picture the lines are whole and consistent. The issue is the slight fluctuation under some areas of beading which my phone camera can't seem to pick up. This has been done using my new Kern ruling pen (more commonly known incorrectly as a bow pen or so I'm informed) and the lines are around 0.1mm thick.

The K3 above is my own so I'm using this as my testing and practice before tackling the more complex BR mixed traffic lining. I've managed to chip a little paint away from the footsteps by using a metal ruler, I'll be cutting some straight bits of plastic for the next stage to protect the paint a little better. There are a couple of bits that need a little cleaning up and this can be done with a OOO brush moistened with white spirit once the paint has gone tacky - alternatively I can simply paint them out with some gloss black once completely dry.

Overall, I'm reasonably happy with this first stage. I'll be lining the valance under the footplate too but I'm waiting for some spare pens that'll fit on my bow compasses (the pen supplied with this is useless no matter how much I've tried to hone the pen!) so I can do some offset lining.
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2017, 03:07:00 pm
Eek! With my hand shake I'd never accomplish anything like that so my hat is doffed to you, sir.
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Post by: Dorsetmike on May 12, 2017, 03:55:28 pm
I'm having problems with lettering on coach side images, looks great at the size I edit at, but downsize it to fit the coach side and it becomes almost illegible; I think the term is pixellated, but I'm not elated with these pics!
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Post by: Atso on May 12, 2017, 05:37:20 pm
I'm having problems with lettering on coach side images, looks great at the size I edit at, but downsize it to fit the coach side and it becomes almost illegible; I think the term is pixellated, but I'm not elated with these pics!

Hi Mike, what are you using to edit the coach lettering?
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Post by: CarriageShed on May 12, 2017, 05:38:43 pm
I'm having problems with lettering on coach side images, looks great at the size I edit at, but downsize it to fit the coach side and it becomes almost illegible; I think the term is pixellated, but I'm not elated with these pics!

If you work at a minimum of 300dpi you should be okay. Higher resolution values will be better :)

(Teaching grandma to suck eggs probably doesn't go down very well!)
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Post by: Atso on May 14, 2017, 03:58:43 pm
Went back to Bluebell with the better half yesterday. Great day but both of us felt a bit under the weather by about 4pm and made an early exit. However it was a great day with plenty of activity and we got to ride in the period Southern three coach set (which was great) and the vintage four wheelers (which was also great but bumpy!).

Both of us a feeling better today (just tired yesterday I guess) and I've been getting on with a bit more lining.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-140517154941.jpeg)

No ultra ultra cruel close up today but when enlarged the locos in the picture are much larger than in reality. The rearmost cab end is my start on BR mixed traffic livery - I don't know why the camera has picked up a slight purple tinge to it, it's not like that in reality.

You might notice some slight blooming on the paintwork. This is where I've either been removing slight lining blemishes or coxing paint into forming corners. Once it is fully dry I should be able to remove it with a ooo brush moistened in white spirit or, if worse comes to worse, paint over it with some of the base colours. The two LNER locos have also had their buffer beams lined out in white but this needs a little more work once dry before they are worthy of being photographed.
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Post by: paulprice on May 14, 2017, 05:19:16 pm
Went back to Bluebell with the better half yesterday. Great day but both of us felt a bit under the weather by about 4pm and made an early exit. However it was a great day with plenty of activity and we got to ride in the period Southern three coach set (which was great) and the vintage four wheelers (which was also great but bumpy!).

Both of us a feeling better today (just tired yesterday I guess) and I've been getting on with a bit more lining.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-140517154941.jpeg[/url])

No ultra ultra cruel close up today but when enlarged the locos in the picture are much larger than in reality. The rearmost cab end is my start on BR mixed traffic livery - I don't know why the camera has picked up a slight purple tinge to it, it's not like that in reality.

You might notice some slight blooming on the paintwork. This is where I've either been removing slight lining blemishes or coxing paint into forming corners. Once it is fully dry I should be able to remove it with a ooo brush moistened in white spirit or, if worse comes to worse, paint over it with some of the base colours. The two LNER locos have also had their buffer beams lined out in white but this needs a little more work once dry before they are worthy of being photographed.


looking good Steve as ever.

Just thinking, if you were tired yesterday is that the onset of old age? just a thought :)
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Post by: Atso on May 14, 2017, 05:58:03 pm
looking good Steve as ever.

Thanks Paul.  :)

Just thinking, if you were tired yesterday is that the onset of old age? just a thought :)

I have no idea. As you are much more experienced than I on that particular subject, I'll defer to your greater experience in this matter.  ;)
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Post by: Dorsetmike on May 14, 2017, 06:26:59 pm
Will  you youngsters stop bickering and leave us old'uns in peace!  :sleep:
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Post by: Atso on May 14, 2017, 06:33:47 pm
Will  you youngsters stop bickering and leave us old'uns in peace!  :sleep:


Sorry Mike.  :( :(

The chassis and one of the tenders are in on the painting and lining lark too...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-140517183004.jpeg)

Wheels have been repainted into their final colours using a mixture of bow pen (for the spokes) and brushwork around the edges. I'm particularly pleases that I've just about managed to preserve the original lining around the green wheels. The green driving wheel centres are yet to be given a coat of black and you can see the original green still. I've also repainted the side of the cylinder, the green should start a little higher but, again, I wanted to save some lining work by preserving what was already there.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on May 14, 2017, 08:20:13 pm
Will  you youngsters stop bickering and leave us old'uns in peace!  :sleep:

Sorry Mike
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Post by: Atso on May 16, 2017, 03:30:02 pm
A bit more done of the locos. The LNER versions are done on this side, other than a little cleaning up, with the adding of the valance lining. The BR K3 needs it's red line adding to the valancing but this will need to wait until the paint is dry. Pictures below are roughly 10% bigger than actual size...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-160517150558.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-160517150722.jpeg)
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Post by: paulprice on May 16, 2017, 03:57:17 pm
A bit more done of the locos. The LNER versions are done on this side, other than a little cleaning up, with the adding of the valance lining. The BR K3 needs it's red line adding to the valancing but this will need to wait until the paint is dry. Pictures below are roughly 10% bigger than actual size...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-160517150558.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-160517150722.jpeg[/url])


Looking very good indeed
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Post by: Dr Al on May 16, 2017, 05:04:31 pm
Pictures below are roughly 10% bigger than actual size...

Pedantic time - this is entirely dependent on the size of monitor and resolution you're running at...  ;) Will be very different sizes on a 27" widescreen 4K than a 19" 4:3 at 1280x1024.

Regardless, still looking good :-)

Cheers,
Alan
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Post by: Atso on May 16, 2017, 05:22:15 pm
Thank you guys, I'm amazed that these are coming along as well as they are.

Good point regarding the size though Alan.  :D

The BR D49 is now starting to catch up the other three...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-160517171951.jpeg)
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Post by: Dr Al on May 16, 2017, 05:58:04 pm
Good point regarding the size though Alan.  :D

On a modelling point - do observe closely the lining on K3 in BR days next to the bufferbeam. My prototype loco had very detailed lining in this area - not sure if all were like that, so worth checking the prototype loco you intend to model.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/308/31462329462_0bc25df8b2_b.jpg)

Lining my Stanier Mogul tonight. Decals tho...  :)

Cheers,
Alan
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Post by: maridunian on May 19, 2017, 03:47:57 pm
Picked up this interesting thread today...

However, the coupled wheelbase is a bit too short to properly represent a J69.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417130208.jpeg[/url])
What does everyone else think?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/213-270417140528.jpeg[/url])
the Farish body comes out at 53.75mm or 1.06 times bigger. Factor in that the tanks are too high and the boiler is somewhat over fed and you'll quickly come to the conclusion that this is not a scale model!

The words emphasised above are key for me (and I have two of these bodies on my to-do pile). Here are some real ones: https://www.lner.info/locos/J/j67j69.php (https://www.lner.info/locos/J/j67j69.php)

The Fleischmann chassis/wheels/rods are a million miles more plausible (if not precisely accurate) than Grafar's original teenie, gappy wheels and dog-bone rods, so I'd use them in a flash.

If the over-length body bothered me, I'd take a mm out here and there with hacksaw cuts between the safety valves and tank vents, behind the top sandboxes and at the boiler/sandbox boundary. Personally, I don't think it's worth it, and a nice distracting livery on an "OMG-you've got one that runs" example would make this an exceptional model.

Mike

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Post by: Atso on June 02, 2017, 06:03:57 pm
Sorry about the lack of posts recently, been feeling a little low again.

However today has seen some progress again in the form of boiler bands! My original plan was to create some decals by spraying some blank decal film with body colour and hand ruling the bands onto that. That was before I discovered some old Fox boiler bands in my bits and pieces box, so I decided to have a go with those instead.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-020617175217.jpeg)

Sorry about the poor quality of the picture, although it shows up the LNER Shire reasonably nicely. The LNER K3 at the back is nearest to completion with just the buffer beam numbers to go before the final detailing can be added - you can just about see that it has gained an identity, 2425. This locomotive was recorded at Kings Cross in mid 1935 so is appropriate to my layout. The Shire and BR K3 still need to have their boiler bands finishing on the side not in shot.

Having obtained another N class chassis as part of a swap, I'm considering modelling another K3 either 4000 or 4009 as they would have been around the mid 1930s. This will mean that she'll be somewhat different from 2425 being right hand drive and still being fitted with the original GNR cab (but towing an early group standard tender by this time).

I'll take some (slightly) better pictures next week once I've finished the boiler bands and numbering.
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Post by: RailGooner on June 02, 2017, 06:16:14 pm
Lovely work Steve. Really crisp and neat banding. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Roy L S on June 02, 2017, 07:35:26 pm
Hi Steve

Good to see an update from you, those locos are looking superb - top work!

Regards

Roy
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Post by: Atso on June 03, 2017, 09:24:42 am
Thank you guys for the kind comments.

As promised some slightly better pictures.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-030617091658.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-030617091723.jpeg)

2425 is towing the original 3D printed tender (V2 tender frames) from my prototype K3 model while the BR version is paired with a Farish J39 tender drive which has now had it's early crest removed pending lining out and later crest being added. There is still a slight of hand here as the BR K3 still needs the last bits of boiler band adding to the other side of the loco. I'm still not sure of the identity of this one and I've still got a couple of areas to fill in and/or tidy up on the cab and valance lining.

The BR D49 is lagging behind a bit as I suddenly realised that I hadn't lined out the splashers on one side! This has now been corrected and boiler bands will be added once the paint is dry.
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2017, 01:47:40 pm
Cracking work, Steve :goggleeyes:
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Post by: maridunian on June 03, 2017, 02:50:58 pm
Looking great!
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Post by: paulprice on June 03, 2017, 07:51:14 pm
Steve its not fair, I've not been allowed to work on my engines  :'(

For LNER things they look quite good
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Post by: Atso on June 04, 2017, 03:02:05 pm
Thanks guys.

For LNER things they look quite good

Paul, from you that is high praise indeed! ;) Why aren't you allowed to work on your locomotives at the moment? Have you upset the DO?
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Post by: paulprice on June 04, 2017, 04:49:23 pm
Thanks guys.

For LNER things they look quite good

Paul, from you that is high praise indeed! ;) Why aren't you allowed to work on your locomotives at the moment? Have you upset the DO?

Apparently I have been naughty  :angel:
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Post by: Snowwolflair on June 04, 2017, 04:55:40 pm
Thanks guys.

For LNER things they look quite good

Paul, from you that is high praise indeed! ;) Why aren't you allowed to work on your locomotives at the moment? Have you upset the DO?

Apparently I have been naughty  :angel:

Obviously not naughty enough  :D :-X
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dorsetmike on June 04, 2017, 08:11:33 pm
Sounds like Paul followed the normal course of events -

A man spends the majority of his life looking for the ideal woman - in the meantime he marries. I stuck my first one for 25 years then got out, found a real good one within 18 months, unfortunately cancer took her 9 years ago. Haven't bothered looking since.
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Post by: Atso on June 05, 2017, 03:40:01 pm
I'm sorry to hear about your wife Mike. My own marriage lasted little over three years...

Anyway, progress is still being made with the locos but I'm starting to lose the will to live with their tenders! Both the D49 tenders are likely to have to be reprinted as they've warped (I don't know why). So in the meantime between adding boiler bands to the BR Hunt and lining up the last few bits and pieces on the Shire, I thoughts I'd turn my attention back to some planned and/or stalled projects.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152204.jpeg)

Above is one of my Papyrus models now fitted with a spare Scotsman boiler and well on it's way to becoming Windsor Lad. Strictly speaking Windsor Lad should have a banjo dome rather than the later streamlined version but I can live with this. I see that this model is displaying the crooked running plate that Dr Al describe when the A3s first came out. I'll have to look back over his threads to see how to correct this.

This has left me with a spare round dome boiler:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152237.jpeg)

This has now been renumbered as 4480 Enterprise - being a Star Trek fan, it's a must! There is a category B Papyrus heading my way tomorrow which was cheaply purchased from DCC Supplies. Unfortunately none of the Dapol A3s can correctly represent Enterprise in 1930's condition so the boiler is in the process of being modified - can anyone spot the big change?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152313.jpeg)

Finally, Humorist's boiler is finally receiving some boiler bands! I'm going to have to reexamine the boiler as a couple of the bands don't look quite straight in the photo above.

Once these are done I'll have five A3s in the fleet and all will be slightly different from the others. I'd love to model a couple of the original A1s but I'm not sure about removing the superheater covers on the smokebox - once I've got my hands on another spare round dome boiler, I'll have a go at removing them.
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Post by: Snowwolflair on June 05, 2017, 03:46:57 pm
When i met my future wife I had just returned from running factories in Hong Kong and all my worldly goods were in a container on a slow boat following me.  When she met my mother she said, coming form a family of collectors, that she was very worried that I did not have any hobbies.  My mother replied "Just you wait"  :D
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Post by: paulprice on June 05, 2017, 05:18:48 pm
I'm sorry to hear about your wife Mike. My own marriage lasted little over three years...

Anyway, progress is still being made with the locos but I'm starting to lose the will to live with their tenders! Both the D49 tenders are likely to have to be reprinted as they've warped (I don't know why). So in the meantime between adding boiler bands to the BR Hunt and lining up the last few bits and pieces on the Shire, I thoughts I'd turn my attention back to some planned and/or stalled projects.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152204.jpeg[/url])

Above is one of my Papyrus models now fitted with a spare Scotsman boiler and well on it's way to becoming Windsor Lad. Strictly speaking Windsor Lad should have a banjo dome rather than the later streamlined version but I can live with this. I see that this model is displaying the crooked running plate that Dr Al describe when the A3s first came out. I'll have to look back over his threads to see how to correct this.

This has left me with a spare round dome boiler:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152237.jpeg[/url])

This has now been renumbered as 4480 Enterprise - being a Star Trek fan, it's a must! There is a category B Papyrus heading my way tomorrow which was cheaply purchased from DCC Supplies. Unfortunately none of the Dapol A3s can correctly represent Enterprise in 1930's condition so the boiler is in the process of being modified - can anyone spot the big change?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152313.jpeg[/url])

Finally, Humorist's boiler is finally receiving some boiler bands! I'm going to have to reexamine the boiler as a couple of the bands don't look quite straight in the photo above.

Once these are done I'll have five A3s in the fleet and all will be slightly different from the others. I'd love to model a couple of the original A1s but I'm not sure about removing the superheater covers on the smokebox - once I've got my hands on another spare round dome boiler, I'll have a go at removing them.


I'm saying this through gritted teeth but brilliant work there.

I think the Domestic Overlord would like a model of enterprise as he is a bit of a Star Trek freak, err sorry I mean fan. I've had a secret wanting for one of these locomotives too and I believe one was called "Columbo" who in my mind is the best detective ever?
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Post by: Atso on June 05, 2017, 06:09:32 pm
I'm saying this through gritted teeth but brilliant work there.

I think the Domestic Overlord would like a model of enterprise as he is a bit of a Star Trek freak, err sorry I mean fan. I've had a secret wanting for one of these locomotives too and I believe one was called "Columbo" who in my mind is the best detective ever?

Thanks Paul. Nowt wrong with being a Star Trek 'freak'. The A3 you're thinking about is 2501 Colombo which is as close to 'Columbo' as you're likely to get.

If you're still in the DO's bad books you might think about buying him a present so you can get more train playing... I mean modelling... time. Try this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/201930109261?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=13936810266&rlsatarget=pla-56128534817&abcId=&adtype=pla&merchantid=6995734&poi=&googleloc=9046035&device=c&campaignid=220881786&crdt=0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/201930109261?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=13936810266&rlsatarget=pla-56128534817&abcId=&adtype=pla&merchantid=6995734&poi=&googleloc=9046035&device=c&campaignid=220881786&crdt=0)

Yes, I'm seriously tempted by this when funds improve!
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Post by: paulprice on June 05, 2017, 07:12:13 pm
I'm saying this through gritted teeth but brilliant work there.

I think the Domestic Overlord would like a model of enterprise as he is a bit of a Star Trek freak, err sorry I mean fan. I've had a secret wanting for one of these locomotives too and I believe one was called "Columbo" who in my mind is the best detective ever?

Thanks Paul. Nowt wrong with being a Star Trek 'freak'. The A3 you're thinking about is 2501 Colombo which is as close to 'Columbo' as you're likely to get.

If you're still in the DO's bad books you might think about buying him a present so you can get more train playing... I mean modelling... time. Try this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/201930109261?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=13936810266&rlsatarget=pla-56128534817&abcId=&adtype=pla&merchantid=6995734&poi=&googleloc=9046035&device=c&campaignid=220881786&crdt=0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/201930109261?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=13936810266&rlsatarget=pla-56128534817&abcId=&adtype=pla&merchantid=6995734&poi=&googleloc=9046035&device=c&campaignid=220881786&crdt=0)

Yes, I'm seriously tempted by this when funds improve!

You say Colombo and I say Columbo lol

Are you suggeing I buy the DO some toy dolls  :laugh3: Oh dear beam me up scottie
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on June 05, 2017, 08:24:09 pm
I'm sorry to hear about your wife Mike. My own marriage lasted little over three years...

Anyway, progress is still being made with the locos but I'm starting to lose the will to live with their tenders! Both the D49 tenders are likely to have to be reprinted as they've warped (I don't know why). So in the meantime between adding boiler bands to the BR Hunt and lining up the last few bits and pieces on the Shire, I thoughts I'd turn my attention back to some planned and/or stalled projects.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152204.jpeg[/url])

Above is one of my Papyrus models now fitted with a spare Scotsman boiler and well on it's way to becoming Windsor Lad. Strictly speaking Windsor Lad should have a banjo dome rather than the later streamlined version but I can live with this. I see that this model is displaying the crooked running plate that Dr Al describe when the A3s first came out. I'll have to look back over his threads to see how to correct this.

This has left me with a spare round dome boiler:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152237.jpeg[/url])

This has now been renumbered as 4480 Enterprise - being a Star Trek fan, it's a must! There is a category B Papyrus heading my way tomorrow which was cheaply purchased from DCC Supplies. Unfortunately none of the Dapol A3s can correctly represent Enterprise in 1930's condition so the boiler is in the process of being modified - can anyone spot the big change?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-050617152313.jpeg[/url])

Finally, Humorist's boiler is finally receiving some boiler bands! I'm going to have to reexamine the boiler as a couple of the bands don't look quite straight in the photo above.

Once these are done I'll have five A3s in the fleet and all will be slightly different from the others. I'd love to model a couple of the original A1s but I'm not sure about removing the superheater covers on the smokebox - once I've got my hands on another spare round dome boiler, I'll have a go at removing them.


The big change on 4480 - is it to right hand drive?

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: joe cassidy on June 05, 2017, 08:25:02 pm
Paul you need to encourage the DO to take up a hobby that is complementary to your's.

I suggest :

1) If you want him out of the house, tap dancing or singing in a choir (choir free, tap shoes 100 ?).

2) If you can tolerate it "chez vous" painting (artistic painting that is) or learning a musical instrument.

Painting (150 for an easel and he could share your paints) is cheaper than a musical instrument.

Good luck !


Joe
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 06, 2017, 09:10:53 am
You say Colombo and I say Columbo lol

Are you suggeing I buy the DO some toy dolls  :laugh3: Oh dear beam me up scottie

Lets call the whole thing off then...  :smiley-laughing:

I'm suggesting that you buy the DO something that he can build... and then play with the toy dolls!!!  :P

'Beam me up Scotty' is one of the most famous phrases from the original series but interestingly never actually said in any episode - although Shatner did use a couple of variations in a few episodes.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 06, 2017, 09:19:12 am
The big change on 4480 - is it to right hand drive?

You are, of course, correct Roy. This will also mean that I'll have to move the reversing rod on the footplate to the right hand side as well. The removing of the steam pipe left some holes that needed to be filled. Not wanting to repaint the whole model, I've patch painted the affected areas with Precision Doncaster green which, while not an exact match, isn't far off (well done Dapol with the colour match) and I'm sure will be hidden once a coat of matt varnish and a little weathering is applied - shame the B17 is a completely different story with regard to the shade of green used.  :(

I really wanted to model Enterprise with the early GNR tender with coal rails. However, trying to find a cheap Grand Parade or suitable spare tender in apple green is difficult. Luckily, I have found one picture from the late thirties which shows Enterprise towing a high sided non corridor tender as modelled with Papyrus so I can still claim that the loco is reasonably accurate!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on June 06, 2017, 10:03:25 am
I really wanted to model Enterprise with the early GNR tender with coal rails.

Or just go for BR late like I did ;-)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4224/34913897626_6f00b5fb9f_z.jpg)

Your A3 does look to have a very bad front down lean - seen a few like this, and most have it to some lesser extent - also causing the rear bogie to be all floppy and sit at the wrong angle. The eccentric rod crank is pointing the wrong direction too - really some of Dapol's assembly is pretty terrible.

Cheers,
Alan
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Post by: Atso on June 06, 2017, 10:19:17 am
Lovely work there Alan. Unfortunately, BR didn't do a later crest with apple green!  :P

I agree that the footplate angle leaves a lot to be desired. Reading up on your comments on 'the other forum' this seems to be due to the rear screw fixing. I can see from your Enterprise that curing the running plate issue really makes a difference to the Cartazzi truck. Do you have any further information on your fixes please?

I received the category B Papyrus this morning from my better half who had decided for some strange and unfathomable reason decided to wrap it up and present it to me along with a card...   :worried: :confused1: I think she might be trying to tell me something but what, I don't know...

Anyway the simple bits, unscrew the existing boiler, remove the bits around the running plate involving the reversing gear, stick those bits onto the right hand side of the loco and attach the previously modified spare boiler.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-060617100710.jpeg)

There is still quite a bit to do (other than Dr Al's mods), nameplates are the most obvious but I also need to paint out the green valance (never painted like that in LNER days) and remove/replace the lettering on the tender to match the cab numbers and patch paint the running plate where I removed bits. If I'm being really picky the reversing rod under the footplate should be the straight type but I'm not overly worried about this.

Finally a shot alongside Windsor Lad showing just how many variations within the A3 class there were.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-060617100635.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on June 06, 2017, 10:40:16 am
I agree that the footplate angle leaves a lot to be desired. Reading up on your comments on 'the other forum' this seems to be due to the rear screw fixing. I can see from your Enterprise that curing the running plate issue really makes a difference to the Cartazzi truck. Do you have any further information on your fixes please?

Having gone over several of these, some are very very out, and even working on the rear end doesn't cure it fully. I've also gone further and moved the front mount. This is the frame spacer at the front of the chassis block - I've removed material from this piece's mounting screw bosses and locating lugs to raise it up thus hauling up the front footplate.

The coupling socket should clear completely the front bufferbeam - there's should be air between it and a bufferbeam that has the cutout filled in. If lower than that then the loco's probably still leaning.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 06, 2017, 10:40:58 am
Pretty little green Caterpillars when do they turn into butterflies?

Actually they are rather good, I wonder if I might return from my pending trip to Cornwall with one?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 06, 2017, 11:44:33 am
Pretty little green Caterpillars when do they turn into butterflies?

Actually they are rather good, I wonder if I might return from my pending trip to Cornwall with one?

When I've finished messing around with them!

You know you want one! However it seems that Dapol hasn't produced any LNER A3s other than Scotsman (and non represent the locomotive as it was pre 1947) for awhile now. Still good condition second hand examples can be found for reasonable money if you hunt around a bit.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 06, 2017, 12:02:52 pm
Having gone over several of these, some are very very out, and even working on the rear end doesn't cure it fully. I've also gone further and moved the front mount. This is the frame spacer at the front of the chassis block - I've removed material from this piece's mounting screw bosses and locating lugs to raise it up thus hauling up the front footplate.

The coupling socket should clear completely the front bufferbeam - there's should be air between it and a bufferbeam that has the cutout filled in. If lower than that then the loco's probably still leaning.


Thanks Alan, I'll investigate this with Humorist as it is already in pieces for the repaint. I think I understand all from the above but would you mind if I come back with questions if I get stuck?

With regard to the bufferbeam, did you repaint the whole thing or did you find a good paint match?

Well I've now got a spare round dome boiler to play with so I thought I'd start having a go at the most difficult A3 mod:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-060617115028.jpeg)

Steam pipe removed and superheater header covers on the smokebox carefully sanded off and I've got a reasonable representation of the earlier A1 boiler. To be strictly accurate the upper row of boiler plugs should be altered but I'm not going there. As you can see, I've had to remove the handrails to get at the heater covers and a quick patch paint shows that there is a little more filling required where the steam pipe used to be. While Enterprise's boiler gave up it's steam pipe without too much fuss, this one was very well glued in place and I've lost all the fixing points on the steampipe. This shouldn't be a problem but will require some careful lining up and gluing. The handrail knobs were also destroyed but can be easily replaced and I've saved the original handrails for templates when making new ones. As the replacement handrails and knobs are metal, I'll have to patch prime these before repainting, does anyone know of a good brush on metal primer? As with most of the other conversion, I'm going to try and avoid a full repaint if possible.

I was surprised when a rummage through my spares drew revealed that I'm the owner of yet another Papyrus model that I'd forgotten about. This one was purchased very cheaply for spares as the plastic rivet holding the little end of the con rod to the piston rod had broken. DCC supplies do sell replacement valve gear but only for the right hand side of the locomotive - guess which side is broken!  :( I think I'm going to be begging DCC Supplies to sell me a replacement for the left hand side as it would be great if I can repair this and actually own a proper Gresley A1! No prizes for guessing which one and I've already got a spare corridor tender to hack modify into 1928 condition.

Not bad for a morning's work but now I need to get back to adding boiler bands to other models!  ::)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 07, 2017, 07:24:12 pm
Hi all, just a quick update.

Enterprise has received her first nameplate today.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-070617192132.jpeg)

This is homemade and I'd like your opinions if I should keep it or buy some etched plates.

Other bits and pieces have also been progressing today but that'll have to be an update for another time...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on June 07, 2017, 07:47:13 pm
This is homemade and I'd like your opinions if I should keep it or buy some etched plates.

Have a look at mine - the plates on it are Etched. Personally, I wouldn't waste the time making your own as those etched brass ones out there are to a very high standard already - better to channel your efforts into more exciting things!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 10:36:04 am
Have a look at mine - the plates on it are Etched. Personally, I wouldn't waste the time making your own as those etched brass ones out there are to a very high standard already - better to channel your efforts into more exciting things!

Hi Alan, thanks for the feedback. Having looked at an etched plate I have, I agree that it is probably the way to go. The main issue is cost with a set of plates costing somewhere between 5-6, which is actually very reasonable until you consider that I have several locomotives to do and I'm presently unemployed which has the unfortunate knock on effect of funds being very tight.

The total cost of the homemade version was around 15p in materials and around 15 minutes to make several sets (not including cutting out) so I think as a stopgap measure I'll continue with these and upgrade as and when funds improve - the current plates are only held in place with a dab of varnish.

However in the case of my Shire class, this might be a problem as I've not found any etched plates for 'Lincolnshire' which was the only D49 allocated around London in LNER days (although I am in possession of an etched set for the BR Hunt).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 08, 2017, 10:39:55 am
Have a look at mine - the plates on it are Etched. Personally, I wouldn't waste the time making your own as those etched brass ones out there are to a very high standard already - better to channel your efforts into more exciting things!

Hi Alan, thanks for the feedback. Having looked at an etched plate I have, I agree that it is probably the way to go. The main issue is cost with a set of plates costing somewhere between 5-6, which is actually very reasonable until you consider that I have several locomotives to do and I'm presently unemployed which has the unfortunate knock on effect of funds being very tight.

The total cost of the homemade version was around 15p in materials and around 15 minutes to make several sets (not including cutting out) so I think as a stopgap measure I'll continue with these and upgrade as and when funds improve - the current plates are only held in place with a dab of varnish.

However in the case of my Shire class, this might be a problem as I've not found any etched plates for 'Lincolnshire' which was the only D49 allocated around London in LNER days (although I am in possession of an etched set for the BR Hunt).

Steve

You will have to show us how you have made your own plates, as it may be very useful (I have 15 locomotives now requiring plates). Being a prudent chap (my sister claims as tight as two coats of paint) it's very interesting
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 11:25:12 am
Steve

You will have to show us how you have made your own plates, as it may be very useful (I have 15 locomotives now requiring plates). Being a prudent chap (my sister claims as tight as two coats of paint) it's very interesting



Hi Paul,

These were made mainly using materials I had to hand. Firstly you'll need a programme that can create shapes and text; I used my CAD software for this but I understand that word can be used for this (though don't ask me how). Once you're happy with the artwork print it using a black and white laser printer (it has to be a laser printer) onto acetate and check that you've got an even coverage of toner around any letters and beading.

Getting the black to turn gold is where the clever bit happens, you need to have a laminator and some special gold transfer foil. The transfer foil is the only bit I purchased for this project and cost me 5 (free P+P) for a 15m long roll from ebay. Take your printed acetate and lay the foil over the top, place a couple of piece of paper over the acetate to protect it and run the whole lot through the laminator. Once cool (about 30 seconds), remove the foil and, where there is toner, you should now have some gold lettering.

Next cut the acetate to slightly smaller than A4 and tape it around the edges face down onto a piece of paper or card and spray the back black (or whatever backing colour use want). This should leave you with the following:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617111916.jpeg)

You might notice that the coverage on these plates is not perfect on the rejected set above, however by printing several you will end up with quite a few that are useable. All that remains is to carefully cut them (with a compass cutter in this case) out and apply to the model.

Having looked at them compared to some etched plates following Alan's comments, they're not as good however they really do look the part on the model (to me anyway) and will do for the moment until I can justify spending quite a bit of money on replacement etched plates.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 11:43:12 am
A comparison between the homemade and etched nameplates.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617114024.jpeg)

You can clearly see that the etched ones are crisper and have better relief but the homemade ones aren't too bad - considering these are a rejected set.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 08, 2017, 11:52:32 am
A comparison between the homemade and etched nameplates.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617114024.jpeg[/url])

You can clearly see that the etched ones are crisper and have better relief but the homemade ones aren't too bad - considering these are a rejected set.


they look rather good to me
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 08, 2017, 11:53:29 am
Steve

You will have to show us how you have made your own plates, as it may be very useful (I have 15 locomotives now requiring plates). Being a prudent chap (my sister claims as tight as two coats of paint) it's very interesting



Hi Paul,

These were made mainly using materials I had to hand. Firstly you'll need a programme that can create shapes and text; I used my CAD software for this but I understand that word can be used for this (though don't ask me how). Once you're happy with the artwork print it using a black and white laser printer (it has to be a laser printer) onto acetate and check that you've got an even coverage of toner around any letters and beading.

Getting the black to turn gold is where the clever bit happens, you need to have a laminator and some special gold transfer foil. The transfer foil is the only bit I purchased for this project and cost me 5 (free P+P) for a 15m long roll from ebay. Take your printed acetate and lay the foil over the top, place a couple of piece of paper over the acetate to protect it and run the whole lot through the laminator. Once cool (about 30 seconds), remove the foil and, where there is toner, you should now have some gold lettering.

Next cut the acetate to slightly smaller than A4 and tape it around the edges face down onto a piece of paper or card and spray the back black (or whatever backing colour use want). This should leave you with the following:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617111916.jpeg[/url])

You might notice that the coverage on these plates is not perfect on the rejected set above, however by printing several you will end up with quite a few that are useable. All that remains is to carefully cut them (with a compass cutter in this case) out and apply to the model.

Having looked at them compared to some etched plates following Alan's comments, they're not as good however they really do look the part on the model (to me anyway) and will do for the moment until I can justify spending quite a bit of money on replacement etched plates.

Ingenious  :bounce:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 12:29:08 pm
Ingenious  :bounce:

Thanks Paul but I'm not sure I'd go that far. As can been seen from the comparison picture, they are inferior to the etched plates. However, they are cheap and fill a requirement pending being able to afford the better solution.

There are limitations with this, I don't think I could get the lettering much smaller than this while keeping everything legible. If you're looking to produce a nameplate with additional inscriptions under the name, this probably won't work (at least nothing in the smaller font would be readable). Same with worksplates, I'm sure that the brass shape would come out find but don't expect to have any writing inscribed on it. However, when you consider the difference in cost it isn't too bad.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: maridunian on June 08, 2017, 12:43:24 pm
... the homemade ones aren't too bad ...

I think they're brilliant (and ingenious). The most complex method I'd attempt is printing a decal using Powerpoint/Word Art with some shadowing. Besides, making is better for us than shopping!

Mike
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 03:47:44 pm
Thanks Mike, they'll do for the time being at least. :)

The D49 Hunt class has also seen some progress today with a start made on its identity.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617154346.jpeg)

Also in shot is a Farish tender body from a J39 that, having gotten fed up with the 3D printed version, will be paired with the loco. While the tender displays the correct crest, it was unlined so I've started to do something about that. I'm current trying to decide if I should try and retain the original Dapol Schools drive or just go with the Farish tender drive. Making the Schools freerunning is a simple matter of removing one screw and releasing the worm.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on June 08, 2017, 06:10:51 pm
Thanks Mike, they'll do for the time being at least. :)

The D49 Hunt class has also seen some progress today with a start made on its identity.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617154346.jpeg[/url])



Tip - you've got some decal silvering around the numerals - overpainting these tiny areas with gloss black before varnishing will remove this and the varnish will flatten all areas into one.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 08, 2017, 06:15:20 pm
Tip - you've got some decal silvering around the numerals - overpainting these tiny areas with gloss black before varnishing will remove this and the varnish will flatten all areas into one.

Cheers,
Alan

Thanks Alan, I'll do this once the Micro Sol has fully dried.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on June 08, 2017, 08:05:12 pm
Thanks Mike, they'll do for the time being at least. :)

The D49 Hunt class has also seen some progress today with a start made on its identity.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-080617154346.jpeg[/url])

Also in shot is a Farish tender body from a J39 that, having gotten fed up with the 3D printed version, will be paired with the loco. While the tender displays the correct crest, it was unlined so I've started to do something about that. I'm current trying to decide if I should try and retain the original Dapol Schools drive or just go with the Farish tender drive. Making the Schools freerunning is a simple matter of removing one screw and releasing the worm.


I think that looks stunning - mixed traffic lining on black always does it, I reckon. Looking forward to seeing it complete.

I always wonder why the D20s didn't get that treatment.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 24, 2017, 03:38:09 pm
Thanks Roy, I agree that it looks great in mixed traffic black but I still think it looks better in apple green! Lord only knows why the D20s and a host of other locomotives weren't similarly treated.

Not an update as such but rather a brief report on a completely random and happy event that happened around an hour ago.

I'd been up to KS Models in Stevenage to buy some more paint. On the way back I was about to drive under the ECML by the station and while still around 50 yards from the bridge Flying Scotsman rolled across! I had no idea that it was due through but wasn't travelling very fast and I can't remember if it was towing anything other than it's support coach. Still this is the first time I've since the loco in one piece and in steam since I was nine years old - the three visits to York in recent years don't count as the loco was still in pieces and most of it was missing/out of view.

I've been putting off travelling to see it until all the hype has died down but what a cop today!  :D :D :D :claphappy:

In case you hadn't realised I'm a big fan!  :bounce:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 24, 2017, 04:30:26 pm

I've been putting off travelling to see it until all the hype has died down but what a cop today!  :D :D :D :claphappy:

Hope it was travelling slowly enough for you to get the number, Steve :-X

In case you hadn't realised I'm a big fan!  :bounce:

Get away with you :no:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 24, 2017, 04:32:20 pm
A quick picture of my in progress conversion of a spare Dapol A3 into Flying Scotsman in c. 1933 A1 condition in celebration of my cop!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/213-240617162820.jpeg)

Still quite a bit to do including sorting out moving the reversing gear to the right hand side and fixing the valve gear on the other side. I'll also have a go at removing the streamlining from the corridor tender (spare from DCC supplies) but I think I'll draw the line at modifying the cab (again spare item) cutout to it's earlier, larger, condition.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 24, 2017, 04:36:35 pm
Hope it was travelling slowly enough for you to get the number, Steve :-X

Indeed, it wasn't the same number as on my model though!  :(  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: RichardBattersby on June 24, 2017, 04:42:08 pm
Great work.
 :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on June 25, 2017, 08:16:23 pm
I'm a bit of a heretic - I like it in BR Green with double chimney and deflectors, but that's a very nice model, all the same.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 25, 2017, 09:20:06 pm
It looked better to me in rusty old pieces all over a workshop floor, I wonder what the going rate is for steel scrap?  >:D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: RichardBattersby on June 25, 2017, 09:37:03 pm
It looked better to me in rusty old pieces all over a workshop floor, I wonder what the going rate is for steel scrap?  >:D
:goggleeyes: :o :goggleeyes: :o :goggleeyes: :o :goggleeyes: :o :goggleeyes: :o :scowl:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 26, 2017, 08:41:23 am
Thanks guys, the model is far from complete and was thrown together for a photo opportunity as I was driving and couldn't get a photo of the real Flying Scotsman on Saturday.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 26, 2017, 08:43:49 am
It looked better to me in rusty old pieces all over a workshop floor, I wonder what the going rate is for steel scrap?  >:D

Paul, you weren't the original project manager for the overhaul and restoration of Flying Scotsman were you? Given your comment above it would explain a great deal about why this took so long and ran heavily over budget...  :P
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 26, 2017, 09:07:06 am
It looked better to me in rusty old pieces all over a workshop floor, I wonder what the going rate is for steel scrap?  >:D

Paul, you weren't the original project manager for the overhaul and restoration of Flying Scotsman were you? Given your comment above it would explain a great deal about why this took so long and ran heavily over budget...  :P

Steve

You cant blame me for that, this is one of the rare occasion when I'm completely innocent  :angel:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 26, 2017, 12:19:17 pm
Steve

You cant blame me for that, this is one of the rare occasion when I'm completely innocent  :angel:

Oh, I'm not so sure. I think that we need to have a full public enquiry into any involvement you may have had in this. Maybe we can get the Spanish Inquisition to be an impartial investigator into this tragic affair...  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 26, 2017, 12:23:40 pm
Steve

You cant blame me for that, this is one of the rare occasion when I'm completely innocent  :angel:

Oh, I'm not so sure. I think that we need to have a full public enquiry into any involvement you may have had in this. Maybe we can get the Spanish Inquisition to be an impartial investigator into this tragic affair...  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

I did not expect that........
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 26, 2017, 01:49:09 pm
I did not expect that........

No one expects........... The Spanish Inquisition!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 26, 2017, 02:40:15 pm
Cardinal Biggles ....................FETCH THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!
We'll move onto the soft cushions if that doesn't work.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 30, 2017, 11:33:34 am
Just to prove that the other locomotives are still progressing...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-300617113059.jpeg)

Both the K3s and the other D49 are in a similar state regarding painting, lining and numbering now (the D49 above will have it's number on the tender). However, as the BR D49 is to become a Hunt version of the class, I removed the cylinders and valve gear from the chassis and put them in a box somewhere safe until I was ready to start making modifications to them... Guess what...  :-[
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 30, 2017, 02:28:05 pm
I removed the cylinders and valve gear from the chassis and put them in a box somewhere safe until I was ready to start making modifications to them... Guess what...  :-[

Somehow I get the feeling "I found them straight away" is not the answer :uneasy:
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Post by: keerout on June 30, 2017, 05:36:42 pm
 :laughabovepost:
Gerard  ;)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on June 30, 2017, 10:09:13 pm
Just to prove that the other locomotives are still progressing...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-300617113059.jpeg[/url])

Both the K3s and the other D49 are in a similar state regarding painting, lining and numbering now (the D49 above will have it's number on the tender). However, as the BR D49 is to become a Hunt version of the class, I removed the cylinders and valve gear from the chassis and put them in a box somewhere safe until I was ready to start making modifications to them... Guess what...  :-[


start on something else, that how I find lost stuff, when I am looking for something else that I have lost, it's just a way of life for me....

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 04, 2017, 06:09:33 pm
First of all some good news, I've found the missing cylinders, valve gear and coupling rods for the BR D49! Thanks to Hailstone for the tip to get on with some other things.  :D

Unfortunately it was a little late in the day to do anything with these but I'll be starting to investigate how to tackle the modifications to convert the loco to rotary drive.

However, I did put the Humorist repaint back together today (while I still remembered where all the bits were!) and below it is pictured with the BR K3.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-040717180347.jpeg)

The K3 is largely complete, just needing the smokebox number plate making up and some large late crest logos to complete (I was given some by the eventual owner but unfortunately these are the small kind). Hopefully I'll have a little cash available from some design work I've been doing over the last couple of days and will order some more along with more transfers to complete the various wagons that have been pending for some time.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 05, 2017, 03:30:18 pm
Ok, one that hasn't been shown on here recently. Having found the various bits for the valve gear, I put the D49 Hunt's chassis back together so I don't lose the bits again. I've still got to pluck up the courage to modify the valve gear but below is a shot of how she looks at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-050717152830.jpeg)
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2017, 04:53:40 pm
Very, very nice, Steve. Looks especially good in that little black number ;D
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Post by: RichardBattersby on July 05, 2017, 04:56:59 pm
Looks great. Well done.
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Post by: Atso on July 05, 2017, 07:04:21 pm
Thanks guys, its been a hard slog but the end is finally in sight with these!

Looks especially good in that little black number ;D


Thanks Mick but I'm still unmoved on preferring this one...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-050717190314.jpeg)

Needs a new tender painting up though....

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Post by: R Marshall on July 05, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Ok, one that hasn't been shown on here recently. Having found the various bits for the valve gear, I put the D49 Hunt's chassis back together so I don't lose the bits again. I've still got to pluck up the courage to modify the valve gear but below is a shot of how she looks at the moment.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-050717152830.jpeg[/url])


Stunning!

The green one looks good too, but that's my favourite

Regards,

Roy
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Post by: Roy L S on July 05, 2017, 08:08:51 pm
Hi Steve

Cracking job, it has been great watching this come together. The loco is lovely in LNER green but it just looks sooooo good in BR lined black doesn't it?

Regards

Roy
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2017, 08:11:11 pm
He just won't be told ::)
No lass got anywhere by wearing a little apple green number :no: ;)
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Post by: maridunian on July 08, 2017, 06:03:49 am
Thanks guys, its been a hard slog but the end is finally in sight with these!

Wow, these models set an amazing standard! Well done - you must be justifiably very proud of them.

Mike
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 08, 2017, 12:10:39 pm
Well I guess with regard to you guys, there is no accounting for taste!  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

At least I've found somebody who prefers the apple green one on another forum; apparently it is epic!  :-[

Wow, these models set an amazing standard! Well done - you must be justifiably very proud of them.

Thanks Mike, I'm not sure that they are an amazing standard but I do try to emulate and get as close as I can to the standards that some others achieve on here. Dr Al, The Brighton, Ozymandias and Paul Price amongst others all deserve credit with providing inspiration with their wonderful creations.
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Post by: joe cassidy on July 08, 2017, 09:20:17 pm
Steve, you're up there with the best of them.

Best regards,


Joe
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Post by: Atso on July 14, 2017, 10:16:47 am
Steve, you're up there with the best of them.


Thanks Joe. I honestly don't feel like that most of the time, always having to fudge, bodge and rescue models!

Speaking of which, having successfully remove numbers/letters from several locos, I'd had a bit of a disaster on a couple of the Dapol A3 tenders - one being my emergency backup spare! In a nutshell I'd managed to strip the paint from around the tender lettering, which isn't a problem until you realise that the correct scale lettering is much smaller than Dapol's (although the cab numbers are much closer). Therefore I thought I'd try and patch paint the affected area with a brush - big disaster! Trying to get a good enough match to simply overpaint the black areas was impossible and numerous attempts with a brush made the whole thing look messy and required me to rub the whole lot carefully down (taking some of the lining with it! grrrr!).

In the end the solution was to forget trying to get an exact paint match and use Precision Doncaster Green paint. The area was rubbed back down and carefully masked to preserve, as best as possible, the remaining lining before spraying the whole area using an airbrush. The paint isn't an exact match but by using the lining to separate the two shades of green, it really isn't noticeable at normal view distance and lighting conditions. However, it did cause the inner white line of the lining to become a bit thin in places so I had to re-instate it using my offset bow compass set. Overall I think it result isn't bad for a rescue job done in desperation and I'll get in with the spare tender body in due course.

I didn't take a before picture of the repaired tender, but the spare (pictured below) is pretty much in the condition the repaired one started in.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-140717101111.jpeg)

The repaired paint finish to the other tender:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-140717101212.jpeg)

I need to varnish and letter the tender now and finally get on with finishing Enterprise! I think a little weathering will blend the whole lot in nicey.
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Post by: Dr Al on July 14, 2017, 11:55:26 am
The key with patch painting is always to paint up to a defined edge - lining, a corner, a handrail, etc. This is a visual break for the eye and therefore any slight difference in paint pigment is not anywhere nearly as apparent.

Also patch painting via a masked panel via airbrush can really be more controlled and aid just blending over the areas, and allow the minimum amount of paint necessary to be applied.

Overcoating the whole surface with a uniform varnish at the end brings any differences in finish (satin, gloss or matt) together as invariably the paint will be more of less glossy than the factory finish.

Dapol printing is tougher than Farish, so tends to be more difficult to remove will not damaging the underlying surface I've found - I lost a bit on my Enterprise 60111 under one number. Slow and steady is the (frustratingly arduous) way.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 14, 2017, 06:37:01 pm
Thanks for that Alan, hopefully it'll all be ok once I've finished it!

Not had a huge amount of time for modelling recently but I have progressed a little bit with the LNER D49. She's going to be Yorkshire now as I cannot find anyone who produces plates for Lincolnshire and I really want one of those lovely works plates as fitted to The Middleton (and it's a nice easy locomotive number to remember!). Anyway, current condition of 'Yorkshire' is shown below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/213-140717183329.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 17, 2017, 07:34:35 pm
Someone needs to have a chat with the Kings Cross cleaning crew about the state of 2425, it must have just finished a pretty intense turn to end up looking like this! 4744, just about in shot, looks spotless by comparison (although needing attention to her boiler bands!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-170817193314.jpeg)

Following a bit of a down phase again mentally, I've been experimenting with weathering and wanted to tone down the lined black on the K3. Surprisingly, I've seen photographs of 1930's locomotives that aren't far off of this but they're probably the exception rather than the rule. The photograph actually makes the locomotive look a little dirtier than it really is but I'm happy with this as a first serious attempt at weathering and I've learnt some things that will be useful when I weather the BR condition locomotives (assuming the owner wants me to).
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Post by: paulprice on August 17, 2017, 08:05:54 pm
Someone needs to have a chat with the Kings Cross cleaning crew about the state of 2425, it must have just finished a pretty intense turn to end up looking like this! 4744, just about in shot, looks spotless by comparison (although needing attention to her boiler bands!).

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-170817193314.jpeg[/url])

Following a bit of a down phase again mentally, I've been experimenting with weathering and wanted to tone down the lined black on the K3. Surprisingly, I've seen photographs of 1930's locomotives that aren't far off of this but they're probably the exception rather than the rule. The photograph actually makes the locomotive look a little dirtier than it really is but I'm happy with this as a first serious attempt at weathering and I've learnt some things that will be useful when I weather the BR condition locomotives (assuming the owner wants me to).


The weathering looks great to me, a brilliant first attempt
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Post by: Atso on August 17, 2017, 09:05:58 pm
The weathering looks great to me, a brilliant first attempt


Thank you Paul!  :D

Light is bad now but below is a picture of Yorkshire which is just about finished cosmetically. I've still got to sort out the loco to tender connections and make it run though!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-170817210452.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2017, 09:34:23 pm
Being a transition modeller when steam locos were generally run down and filthy I always go for that option when buying locos. That is a very good representation of a well used loco, Steve.
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Post by: paulprice on August 17, 2017, 09:41:39 pm
The weathering looks great to me, a brilliant first attempt


Thank you Paul!  :D

Light is bad now but below is a picture of Yorkshire which is just about finished cosmetically. I've still got to sort out the loco to tender connections and make it run though!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-170817210452.jpeg[/url])


It looks very handsome, I must admit I have a thing for 4-4-0s.

Did you notice that I did not make a sarky comment about your weathered K3?? I could have said, brilliant no better way of seeing LNER loco's if they are all dirty lol  :angel:
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Post by: Atso on August 18, 2017, 07:02:08 am
Being a transition modeller when steam locos were generally run down and filthy I always go for that option when buying locos. That is a very good representation of a well used loco, Steve.

Thank you Mick, I think that this would be the worst a 1930's locomotive would be but it does add character.

It looks very handsome, I must admit I have a thing for 4-4-0s.

Thanks Paul, I love 4-4-0s too!  :D It's a shame that they are somewhat difficult to make run if loco driven.  :(

Did you notice that I did not make a sarky comment about your weathered K3?? I could have said, brilliant no better way of seeing LNER loco's if they are all dirty lol  :angel:

I did notice and was impressed but then you went and spoilt it with the second sentence above! :P :P :P >:D

Right off on holiday to Pickering for a week shortly.  :D :D :D
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Post by: PLD on August 18, 2017, 08:18:13 am
Right off on holiday to Pickering for a week shortly.  :D :D :D

Don't forget http://www.sdrmweb.co.uk/Exhibition_2017.php (http://www.sdrmweb.co.uk/Exhibition_2017.php)

I'll be there playing with High Stamley (009 but al least the track is the right gauge...  ;) )
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Post by: Atso on August 18, 2017, 09:12:34 am
Don't forget [url]http://www.sdrmweb.co.uk/Exhibition_2017.php[/url] ([url]http://www.sdrmweb.co.uk/Exhibition_2017.php[/url])

I'll be there playing with High Stamley (009 but al least the track is the right gauge...  ;) )



My other half booked the holiday without checking the dates of the exhibition!  :smiley-laughing: I'm looking forward to catching up with some of the Scarborough club lot and Tony Wright, I'll keep an eye out for you and say hi as it is always good to be able to put faces to names.  :D
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Post by: Atso on August 18, 2017, 10:16:27 am
Last post before heading off. A marathon effort but Yorkshire is now running! I've got a couple of issues to sort out but she's fine from about a scale 20 mph upwards at the moment...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-180817101456.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on August 18, 2017, 10:46:16 am
That just looks awesome :goggleeyes:
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Post by: paulprice on August 18, 2017, 11:14:35 am
Last post before heading off. A marathon effort but Yorkshire is now running! I've got a couple of issues to sort out but she's fine from about a scale 20 mph upwards at the moment...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-180817101456.jpeg[/url])


Stunning work  :drool:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 25, 2017, 07:44:20 am
Thanks Mick and Paul!

Both locos made it to Pickering with me and got a run on The North of England line. The K3 was fine (and I had to fight to take it off the layout later!). However the D49 still needs a little tweaking to get good slow running but did manage to haul the heavy eight coach Queen of Scott's rake for a few laps - at least until the tender drawbar screw worked loose and dropped onto the track (probably my fault by not tightening it properly).

However this didn't deter Tony Wright from taking some more professional quality photographs and hopefully he'll be kind enough to let me share those here at a later date.

Despite the initial problems, I'm very happy with Yorkshire and I'm sure that I can work the bugs out of her in due course.
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Post by: Mr Sprue on August 25, 2017, 10:18:08 pm
Sweet job you've done there Steve, excellent modeling m8.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Train Waiting on August 26, 2017, 09:05:15 am
That just looks awesome :goggleeyes:

Seconded! :greatwork:

And the LNER apple green livery sets it off beautifully.

Congratulations.

John
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Post by: Atso on August 26, 2017, 06:21:45 pm
Thank you Dave and John.

Firmly back in sunny(??) Hertfordshire now after a wonderful week in North Yorkshire.

I went to the Pickering show last Saturday and enjoyed being able to have a little play with the North of England Line layout. It was also good to meet PDL and have a chat - always great to meet other forum members and put faces (and names!) to profiles!

Sunday we got up early and travelled to York to see something rather special!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817181213.jpeg)

While Monday was taken up by a trip on the NYMR. It was great to find that they've managed to temporarily patch up most of the teak set following its vandalism (the buffet car is still out of action), and I was very happy to be able to ride in them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817181317.jpeg)

However, there was no sign of Sir Nigel Gresley and it wasn't until a brief return visit to York and the NRM yesterday that we found it (well most of it!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817181426.jpeg)

However, there was an intact A4 present as well....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817181512.jpeg)

...as well as an inferior streamlined locomotive - I only took a picture of it because I know it'll keep Paulprice happy!  >:D >:D :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-260817181559.jpeg)

I have no idea who the person in the picture above is, only that she'd been standing there for almost ten minutes!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 27, 2017, 01:36:26 pm
Tony Wright has kindly allowed me to share a couple of photographs taken by him of Yorkshire and 2425 on the North of England Line layout at the Pickering show. I'd like to express my thanks to Tony for taking and allowing me to share these and to the Scarborough Club for allowing us to use their layout as a backdrop (and letting me run them!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-270817133330.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/213-270817133352.jpeg)
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Post by: RailGooner on August 27, 2017, 02:29:02 pm
 :greatpicturessign:
'Yorkshire' sure is pretty. :thumbsup: As a Lancastrian by birth, I have to make clear I'm referring to the loco! :D
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Post by: joe cassidy on August 27, 2017, 08:47:52 pm
'Yorkshire' is a real Bobby Dazzler.

The proportions are spot on - difficult to achieve in N for a 4-4-0.

The detailing is just right too.

You have surpassed yourself with this one Steve.

Best regards,


Joe
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Post by: Atso on August 27, 2017, 10:01:54 pm
:greatpicturessign:
'Yorkshire' sure is pretty. :thumbsup: As a Lancastrian by birth, I have to make clear I'm referring to the loco! :D

Thank you  :) duly noted that you are referring to the loco and not the county - although as I'm from Hertfordshire myself, I think the county of Yorkshire is really quite pretty too  :)

'Yorkshire' is a real Bobby Dazzler.

The proportions are spot on - difficult to achieve in N for a 4-4-0.

The detailing is just right too.

You have surpassed yourself with this one Steve.

Thanks very much Joe, it's been quite a hard slog with Yorkshire and the running isn't where I'd like it to be yet (although eight coaches are well within its haulage capabilities) but I'm very happy with how this has turned out as I've struggled with getting an result compatible with rtr in apple green. I think I'll have to redo 3279 (my Atlantic) again sometime in the future to try and bring it up to be a bit more like Yorkshire...

The D49 is just a smidge over length to fit the Schools chassis although we're talking around 1mm here - the two locos should be almost exactly the same length so I assume that Dapol stretched the Schools slightly to make room for the rear driving wheel as it is really quite tight around that area. I've still have to glaze both locos, as Tony was quick to point out to me, and I'm looking to give crystal Clear at try in the future at his suggestion.
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Post by: PLD on August 27, 2017, 11:03:04 pm
It was also good to meet PDL and have a chat - always great to meet other forum members and put faces (and names!) to profiles!
Close  ;) but also good to meet you Steve; and to see the loco named for 'Gods Own County' and the K3 performing on NoEL.
Tony's photos are good, but they really are better in the flesh...

I have no idea who the person in the picture above is, only that she'd been standing there for almost ten minutes!
I do believe they are specially trained and employed by all the best museums and galleries for the sole purpose of getting in the way of the perfect photo...
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Post by: Atso on August 27, 2017, 11:22:47 pm
Sorry, transposed the letters!!!  :-[ :doh: :sorrysign:

Thanks for your kind words. Personally, I'm relieved that Tony's camera and ten million zillion watt flash bulb have been quite kind to the locos.

People that are employed to get in the way in museums and galleries!??? Where do I sign up? Finally a job that a might both enjoy and be good at!!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2017, 09:25:42 am
Personally, I'm relieved that Tony's camera and ten million zillion watt flash bulb have been quite kind to the locos.


I've told you a gazillion times not to exaggerate :telloff: ;)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 28, 2017, 10:14:29 am
Personally, I'm relieved that Tony's camera and ten million zillion watt flash bulb have been quite kind to the locos.


I've told you a gazillion times not to exaggerate :telloff: ;)
:smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 08, 2017, 06:26:29 pm
Another locomotive almost ready to enter service today. I just need to sort out why the body is sitting a little high and then hopefully it is off to a new home tomorrow (actually I want to keep it!). I hope that it's new owner likes it...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-080917182526.jpeg)

Sorry for the not so great lighting conditions - it is chucking it down over here!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 08, 2017, 07:36:55 pm
Hi Steve

That looks spot on and would be just the job for a long fitted freight!

It was apparently said that in N there would be no Market for a RTR K3. Given the quality of this model I'd beg to differ!

Roy
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 08, 2017, 09:08:22 pm
Very nice work indeed, Steve :admiration:
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Post by: paulprice on September 08, 2017, 09:34:57 pm
Another locomotive almost ready to enter service today. I just need to sort out why the body is sitting a little high and then hopefully it is off to a new home tomorrow (actually I want to keep it!). I hope that it's new owner likes it...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-080917182526.jpeg[/url])

Sorry for the not so great lighting conditions - it is chucking it down over here!

Steve well done now stop messing about with NE machines and build some proper locomotives
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 08, 2017, 11:24:30 pm
Thanks guys!  :-[

Mr Price, these are proper locomotives!!!!  :censored: :veryangry: :censored:

However, I do have a set of transfers for one of the lesser railway companies. Their initials started out well with the correct first letter but then it went down hill rapidly as they got the others wrong as well as the font! To cap it all off they cut the last letter off completely resulting in a cost saving by only having three letters - what cheapskates!!! Oh well, I've got the transfers now so I guess eventually I should use them on some locomotives not worthy enough to carry the initials 'LNER'!!!  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 09, 2017, 06:37:55 pm
61879 is now with its new owner who seems very pleased with it. Before it left I did manage to take a slightly better picture...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-090917183444.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 12, 2017, 08:52:03 am
By way of proof to Mr Price that I don't just model the LNER (or British prototypes for that matter!) I thought I would share this now that I allowed to.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-120917084245.jpeg)

This is the CAD work for an American Pennsylvanian Railroad E6 Atlantic loco body. This is my contribution to a project being undertaken by N-Stars (who made my J50 chassis a few years back and can be found on Facebook) to produce some of these very interesting locomotives. The model, while shown assembled here, is actually several parts. Although I have taken pictures of the physical model, they are on my iPad which is currently ten miles from my present location - I'll upload some pictures when I have access to it! I think this represents one of the most complicated models I've designed to date, most certainly it is the largest CAD file!

If anyone is interested in this model, N-Stars now have complete ownership and any enquiries will have to be directed to them.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 12, 2017, 02:24:48 pm
Steve,

Thanks for the word - I'll be looking at the chassis closely - ever hopeful for a V09 or a Z!

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 12, 2017, 05:34:38 pm
Here is a pic of my K3 61879 in the company of my rather lovely sound fitted and weathered Farish B1 61045.

They look an absolute treat posed together and such is the quality of Steve's 3D print and his skill in finishing the K3 that it is impossible not to conclude that both are factory made.

Top job!

Roy

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/242-120917173239.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 13, 2017, 10:07:49 am
Thank you Roy.  :-[

As promised, a picture of the PPR E6 as presented to N-Stars (photo courtesy of Marc Starmans).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-130917100512.jpeg)

Unfortunately the bell (a separate item) didn't survive the printing process so I'll need to give that a quick revision this week.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 13, 2017, 11:33:44 am
Thank you Roy.  :-[

As promised, a picture of the PPR E6 as presented to N-Stars (photo courtesy of Marc Starmans).

[img width=600 height=450]
Unfortunately the bell (a separate item) didn't survive the printing process so I'll need to give that a quick revision this week.

Another fabulous job Steve, the sheer complexity of the shape of this loco will have been a huge challenge I am sure!

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 13, 2017, 03:48:07 pm
Thanks Roy,

It is the most complex locomotive I've completed to date, both the boiler and firebox presented some interesting challenges to overcome. It isn't the most difficult locomotive body I've attempted though, that honor goes to the streamlined B17 and I've still not managed to come up with a method to successfully render it in CAD! I think that the original P2, 2001, comes in a close second but I think I might have figured that one out now - it is quite deceptive in how complex it actually is!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 14, 2017, 08:15:41 am
Steve,

Thanks for the word - I'll be looking at the chassis closely - ever hopeful for a V09 or a Z!

Regards,

Roy


Hi Roy,

The issue with both the V09 and Z is the location of the cylinders in relation to the running plate. The fact they pass through the running plate makes life very difficult with regard to the slide bars and motion. The C1 is theoretically easier but I'm still to come up with a solution that'll work with a standard one - 3279 that I have build is a very different animal which allowed the easier incorporation of the standard Farish cylinders in relation to the running plate.

Never say never, but I'm struggling to see how this can be achieved in N while keeping things looking reasonably proportioned.
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Post by: Dorsetmike on September 14, 2017, 10:13:58 am
If you want a real nightmare of cylinders AND valve gear through running plate have a look at the SR Ex LSWR T14 class

http://www.semgonline.com/steam/t14class_01.html (http://www.semgonline.com/steam/t14class_01.html)

I've so far resisted the temptation to do one, just can't figure how to go about it!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 14, 2017, 11:24:38 am
If you want a real nightmare of cylinders AND valve gear through running plate have a look at the SR Ex LSWR T14 class

[url]http://www.semgonline.com/steam/t14class_01.html[/url] ([url]http://www.semgonline.com/steam/t14class_01.html[/url])

I've so far resisted the temptation to do one, just can't figure how to go about it!


Indeed! The 'Paddleboxes' were wonderful looking locomotives but not the easiest things to model in 4 or 7mm scales let alone N! I'm not a fan of the rebuilt version though.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 15, 2017, 02:11:54 pm
A bit of a quick and dirty modification of one of my earlier designs the K3.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-150917140648.jpeg)

Now adapted to represent a K3/1 with GNR cab in around mid 1930's condition. Besides the GNR cab, I've also converted the K3 to right hand drive but have yet to discover if the boiler fittings had been replaced with 'standard' K3 ones by this point. I've retained the cut outs on the bufferbeam every picture I've seen of the original ten K3s in the Thirties have this feature. The loco will end up being paired with an LNER flared tender as they all appear to have lost their GNR ones by this point. All had been rebuilt with side window cabs by nationalisation.

Something to add to my list of things to print once the final part to service my printer finally arrives!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 15, 2017, 09:15:24 pm
A bit of a quick and dirty modification of one of my earlier designs the K3.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-150917140648.jpeg[/url])

Now adapted to represent a K3/1 with GNR cab in around mid 1930's condition. Besides the GNR cab, I've also converted the K3 to right hand drive but have yet to discover if the boiler fittings had been replaced with 'standard' K3 ones by this point. I've retained the cut outs on the bufferbeam every picture I've seen of the original ten K3s in the Thirties have this feature. The loco will end up being paired with an LNER flared tender as they all appear to have lost their GNR ones by this point. All had been rebuilt with side window cabs by nationalisation.

Something to add to my list of things to print once the final part to service my printer finally arrives!


Awesome
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 19, 2017, 05:59:17 pm
Still no working printer so I've been having a go with the CAD again. Today's progress, which still requires a lot of detailing work, as well as accounting for at least some of the many variations of this class(es). Hopefully it'll fit onto a modified N class chassis.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-190917175609.jpeg)

This one has been a long time coming...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 19, 2017, 06:11:30 pm
Still no working printer so I've been having a go with the CAD again. Today's progress, which still requires a lot of detailing work, as well as accounting for at least some of the many variations of this class(es). Hopefully it'll fit onto a modified N class chassis.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/213-190917175609.jpeg[/url])

This one has been a long time coming...


Lovely work Steve. LNER tank locos in N is the most obvious gap that the "Big boys" have yet to address at all (There has been little news of progress regarding the J72 Bachmann announced after what must be three years).

I look forward to seeing this one develop.

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 am
Lovely work Steve. LNER tank locos in N is the most obvious gap that the "Big boys" have yet to address at all (There has been little news of progress regarding the J72 Bachmann announced after what must be three years).

I look forward to seeing this one develop.

Thanks Roy. I agree that LNER tanks locomotives are rather poorly represented in N gauge without a single example being represented by the current generation of rtr locomotives (the GF J72 and DJM J94 being the obvious exceptions when they eventually appear).

When you consider that all of the big four had a great many tank engines, I'm surprised that so few are represented to current standards.

The V1/V3 is something that I've wanted to have a go at for quite awhile now and I know that at least one other forum member will be interested in it. I've got to sort out why the cab looks over length (in profile) today; all the key dimensions check out so I've been left scratching my head so far.

I've got one other tank engine planned for the N class chassis and anyone knowing the history of that prototype should be able to work out what that one will be (when it gets designed!).
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Post by: Hailstone on September 20, 2017, 12:20:32 pm
Any chance that you might defect to the Western for enough time to do a10xx County? I am certain that there would be quite a few of us who would be interested..... >:D

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 01:01:28 pm
Any chance that you might defect to the Western for enough time to do a10xx County? I am certain that there would be quite a few of us who would be interested..... >:D

Regards,

Alex

Which version is the 10xx? The original 4-4-0 or the Hawksworth 4-6-0? Best chassis for it?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 01:07:56 pm
One just about completed CAD for an LNER V1 in original condition. This is as far as I'm going to go until I've had a chance to get a test model printed. Once I'm happy with the fit on the body, I'll see about doing some of the other variants in the V1/V3 classes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-200917130408.jpeg)

I'm toying with the idea of designing a rear 'radial truck' (really a pony for practical purposes) to allow the existing pins at the back of the N class chassis to be used and maybe fit pickups to the trailing wheel...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 20, 2017, 01:15:00 pm
Any chance that you might defect to the Western for enough time to do a10xx County? I am certain that there would be quite a few of us who would be interested..... >:D

Regards,

Alex

Which version is the 10xx? The original 4-4-0 or the Hawksworth 4-6-0? Best chassis for it?

The 10xx County is the Hawksworth 4-6-0. as for a chassis, I have thought about a Farish King or Castle chassis with Hall cylinders (can't use a Dapol Hall as the tender needs a different frame as well as body) I am not yet in yours or Dr Al's league when it comes to cutting chassis about.

Regards,

Alex 
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 01:20:50 pm
The 10xx County is the Hawksworth 4-6-0. as for a chassis, I have thought about a Farish King or Castle chassis with Hall cylinders (can't use a Dapol Hall as the tender needs a different frame as well as body) I am not yet in yours or Dr Al's league when it comes to cutting chassis about.

Farish Black Five chassis perhaps?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 01:51:12 pm
Im going to start the society for the protection of Black 5s
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 02:21:55 pm
Im going to start the society for the protection of Black 5s

I don't know why, I've not used any a donors... YET!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D :P :P :P :P

Besides there are plenty of preserved examples...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 20, 2017, 05:08:56 pm
The 10xx County is the Hawksworth 4-6-0. as for a chassis, I have thought about a Farish King or Castle chassis with Hall cylinders (can't use a Dapol Hall as the tender needs a different frame as well as body) I am not yet in yours or Dr Al's league when it comes to cutting chassis about.

Farish Black Five chassis perhaps?

I will have to do some measuring, how about a Peco Jubilee? the tender drive would only need a new body, and I have one that was part of a rather unconvincing conversion kit to turn it into a county (I can hear Paul gnashing his teeth from here!)

Regards,

Alex

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 06:18:53 pm
Im going to start the society for the protection of Black 5s

I don't know why, I've not used any a donors... YET!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D :P :P :P :P

Besides there are plenty of preserved examples...

EVIL EVIL MAN
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 06:19:41 pm
The 10xx County is the Hawksworth 4-6-0. as for a chassis, I have thought about a Farish King or Castle chassis with Hall cylinders (can't use a Dapol Hall as the tender needs a different frame as well as body) I am not yet in yours or Dr Al's league when it comes to cutting chassis about.

Farish Black Five chassis perhaps?

I will have to do some measuring, how about a Peco Jubilee? the tender drive would only need a new body, and I have one that was part of a rather unconvincing conversion kit to turn it into a county (I can hear Paul gnashing his teeth from here!)

Regards,

Alex

oh the inhumanity of it all
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 06:19:57 pm
I will have to do some measuring, how about a Peco Jubilee? the tender drive would only need a new body, and I have one that was part of a rather unconvincing conversion kit to turn it into a county (I can hear Paul gnashing his teeth from here!)

I was thinking of the new Black Five for it's 6 foot drivers (closer to the County's 6'2) and slightly lower motor - and the fact that I have two to play with (sorry Paul) while I only have a few bits and pieces of Peco Jubilees and no tenders).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 06:20:36 pm
EVIL EVIL MAN

I'm not evil, just acting for the greater good!  :angel:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 06:21:23 pm
EVIL EVIL MAN

I'm not evil, just acting for the greater good!  :angel:

How can you sleep at night
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 06:23:59 pm
How can you sleep at night

I lie down, close my eyes and let my clear conscience carry me off to the land of nod...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 06:30:25 pm
How can you sleep at night

I lie down, close my eyes and let my clear conscience carry me off to the land of nod...

That must be why I can't sleep, what's a conscience?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 20, 2017, 07:08:57 pm
what's a conscience?

This explains soooooooooo much! :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 20, 2017, 09:40:41 pm
what's a conscience?

This explains soooooooooo much! :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

meaning  :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 27, 2017, 06:48:41 pm
Just a quick update showing the latest progress on Humorist's repaint from Gladiateur in BR green...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-270917184745.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 27, 2017, 07:18:44 pm
Just a quick update showing the latest progress on Humorist's repaint from Gladiateur in BR green...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-270917184745.jpeg[/url])

It looks very smart
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Post by: Atso on September 28, 2017, 07:58:45 pm
It looks very smart


Thanks Paul!  :D

A tiny bit more progress on the BR D49 - I really need to get this one finished!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-280917195538.jpeg)

I spent quite a bit of time today tinkering with Yorkshire to improve pickup. I originally thought that there was something catching causing poor low speed running, then I noticed that I needed to file a little more from the top of the bogie as it was lifting the front driving wheels! I've also pushed the brass pick up frames in the tender a little closer together to get a more positive electrical contact. Not quite perfect yet but it's a massive improvement!  :D

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Post by: Newportnobby on September 28, 2017, 09:14:20 pm
The D49 looks luvverly, Steve :drool:
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Post by: Atso on September 29, 2017, 08:19:12 am
The D49 looks luvverly, Steve :drool:

Thank you Mick, it is shaping up nicely isn't it! :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 29, 2017, 12:34:09 pm
Other than the tender bufferbeam lining, the tender front plate and some minor touching up, Humorist is just about complete painting wise.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-290917123141.jpeg)

Obviously there is still a load of detailing bits to add and a light weathering but I'm happy this one is just about finished!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 01, 2017, 06:00:50 pm
I came back from the Dapol open day yesterday, which was the first time I've visited the factory. The day was really enjoyable and I found the demonstrations of some of the production technicals really insightful. I also managed to get hold of two A3s, both Grand Parade for 35 each! Both have needed some remedial work to get them back into working order but a couple of hours this afternoon has seen this successfully achieved. Unfortunately, I needed to steal the draw bar from my A1 conversion which is currently out of action due to damaged valve gear - the donor A3 was bought cheaply second hand with this damage, hence the reason why I've used it to convert into an A1.

I now have three Grand Parade models and I'm thinking of converting at least one of them into another A1 and the other possibly to a right hand drive A3 (as per my model of 4480 Enterprise). This now sees my pacific fleet expanded to eight none streamlined locomotives and all will eventually be subtly different from each other (who said the A1 and A3 classes were 'standard'!).

No pictures yet as the Grand Parades are in factory condition and find pictures of these easily on the web...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: johnlambert on October 02, 2017, 01:31:52 pm
I came back from the Dapol open day yesterday, which was the first time I've visited the factory. The day was really enjoyable and I found the demonstrations of some of the production technicals really insightful. I also managed to get hold of two A3s, both Grand Parade for 35 each! Both have needed some remedial work to get them back into working order but a couple of hours this afternoon has seen this successfully achieved. Unfortunately, I needed to steal the draw bar from my A1 conversion which is currently out of action due to damaged valve gear - the donor A3 was bought cheaply second hand with this damage, hence the reason why I've used it to convert into an A1.

I now have three Grand Parade models and I'm thinking of converting at least one of them into another A1 and the other possibly to a right hand drive A3 (as per my model of 4480 Enterprise). This now sees my pacific fleet expanded to eight none streamlined locomotives and all will eventually be subtly different from each other (who said the A1 and A3 classes were 'standard'!).

No pictures yet as the Grand Parades are in factory condition and find pictures of these easily on the web...

I picked up a 35 Grand Parade that appears completely faultless.  No idea what I'll do with it as the only A3 that would have visited my layout is Flying Scotsman, but it's nice to have an A3 that runs well. 
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 02, 2017, 06:27:13 pm
I picked up a 35 Grand Parade that appears completely faultless.  No idea what I'll do with it as the only A3 that would have visited my layout is Flying Scotsman, but it's nice to have an A3 that runs well. 


You must have gotten to the apple green A3s faster than I did to find a faultless one! I'm amazed at what people apparently do to their models, the worse condition of my two was obviously badly handled by it's previous owner... Speaking of which, it's lost its identity now...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-021017182410.jpeg)

Most likely to become Harvester for which I have a photograph of it paired with a GNR tender in 1932 - it was paired with a corridor tender in 1928!

I think the second one will end up being back worked into an A1, most likely to be Isinglass in thanks to the company that supplies such good reference drawings for LNER modellers!
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Post by: Atso on October 03, 2017, 07:03:18 pm
Just a quick update from me...

Shapeways finally delivered the V1 body shell printed in Frosted Extreme Detail - This is the first time I've used FXD and have to say I'm impressed. Picture below of the V1 in its raw state perched on the donor N class chassis with 3D printed rear truck.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-031017185917.jpeg)

I'll post another picture once its primed (usually a good way to find all the flaws in the print - if there are any) but it's currently sitting in the ultrasonic bath to remove the last bits of the wax residue from the printing process.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: martyn on October 03, 2017, 07:39:48 pm
That's looking very good and has the potential to be a winner. I might even extend the period that the class was used in East Anglia to justify one...........Southerngooner will have to watch any N he buys for his Southern layout.
Apologies if its been asked before, but is a Thompson L1 'concrete mixer' a possible candidate?

Thanks

martyn
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on October 03, 2017, 07:52:05 pm
That's looking very good and has the potential to be a winner. I might even extend the period that the class was used in East Anglia to justify one...........Southerngooner will have to watch any N he buys for his Southern layout.
Apologies if its been asked before, but is a Thompson L1 'concrete mixer' a possible candidate?

Thanks

martyn

Steve is far too modest to refer to the prints he already has lined up on Shapeways himself, so I will!

https://www.shapeways.com/product/97HNW66L3/lner-l1-body-shell?optionId=40760486 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/97HNW66L3/lner-l1-body-shell?optionId=40760486)

Roy

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on October 03, 2017, 07:56:16 pm
Just a quick update from me...

Shapeways finally delivered the V1 body shell printed in Frosted Extreme Detail - This is the first time I've used FXD and have to say I'm impressed. Picture below of the V1 in its raw state perched on the donor N class chassis with 3D printed rear truck.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-031017185917.jpeg[/url])

I'll post another picture once its primed (usually a good way to find all the flaws in the print - if there are any) but it's currently sitting in the ultrasonic bath to remove the last bits of the wax residue from the printing process.


Hi Steve

That is looking excellent already, even in that untouched straight from Shapeways condition.

Looking forward to seeing this one progress.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 03, 2017, 08:10:43 pm
Steve is far too modest to refer to the prints he already has lined up on Shapeways himself, so I will!

https://www.shapeways.com/product/97HNW66L3/lner-l1-body-shell?optionId=40760486 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/97HNW66L3/lner-l1-body-shell?optionId=40760486)

Roy



Thanks Roy, I'm not that modest am I? (Paul Price need not answer that!!  :P )

The eagle eyed of you might have noticed that the snifting valve behind the chimney is missing on this one.  :-[ I'll have to knock up something and make sure it is added to the cad file. Once I'm done with testing the prototype print, I'll see about knocking up some of the variations of the classes.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 04, 2017, 09:48:14 am
The V1 has had a waft of light grey acrylic from the airbrush but no sanding yet...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-041017094227.jpeg)

The picture shows that there was a second loco body in the package from Shapeways - another N2. This one is altered from the bodies currently available from my Shapeways shop to fit the N class chassis. However, even by making allowances to get the motor housing to fit, the N2's chassis has still needed to be filed down in a few areas to fit and get it sitting more or less at the correct height (as has the V1) - I hope you'll agree the effort was worth it - once I've actually made them 100% level (badly balanced for the picture!).

While the coupled wheelbase of the donor N class at 7'3 by 8'3 is really too short for these locomotives (both should be 7'3 by 9'), I think that the overall effect still looks just about right.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on October 04, 2017, 10:22:45 am
They both look very good, Steve, but I especially like the N2 - a very well proportioned loco.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 06, 2017, 10:03:44 am
They both look very good, Steve, but I especially like the N2 - a very well proportioned loco.


Thanks Mick, I like the N2 as well but it is now making my model of 4744 look a bit dated on it's 3MT donor chassis.

Getting this pictures into my own thread (rather than the H class thread), here are a couple of pictures taken at extreme close up of the N2 and V1 after I've fettled the prints to remove the build lines.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-051017175336.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-051017175053.jpeg)

Unfortunately, having looked properly at the liveries of the prototypes, I'm going to have to fit the tank and cab handrails after I've lined the locomotives as I'm not going to get the ruling/bow pen into the right place otherwise. This is a little annoying as it means I can spray the rails with etch primer which means the paint finish won't be a durable as I would prefer...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 06, 2017, 11:23:37 am
Looking great
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Post by: Atso on October 06, 2017, 05:02:05 pm
Thank you Mr Price!  :)

Having finally gotten the parts to restore my own printer to working order, I've printed a test piece which came out well enough to be used for another model...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-061017165813.jpeg)

The tender has been stolen from a J39 for photographic purposes only, although it is of the correct type for a mid 1930's K3/1.

I've now got a long queue of bits to print to clear the backlog....
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 06, 2017, 07:29:53 pm
Things have kicked up a gear now with these three!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-061017192922.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on October 06, 2017, 07:57:01 pm
This is incredible - It's like Doncaster and Darlington combined output!

Amazing work.

Many thanks and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 07, 2017, 11:11:47 am
This is incredible - It's like Doncaster and Darlington combined output!

Amazing work.

Many thanks and best wishes.

John

Thank you John. Somebody (who'll remain nameless) invited me to be a demonstrator at a local show next weekend so I really need some quick wins to bolster my modest collection of finished models. Even if these aren't quite finished, I'm sure that they'll be complete enough to exhibit. It is also interesting to see just how quickly something like this can be turned around as I'm not always the fastest of workers.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 07, 2017, 12:41:27 pm
Things have kicked up a gear now with these three!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-061017192922.jpeg[/url])


Looking great as usual, good luck with the exhibition  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: belstone on October 08, 2017, 07:56:06 am
Thank you Mr Price!  :)

Having finally gotten the parts to restore my own printer to working order, I've printed a test piece which came out well enough to be used for another model...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-061017165813.jpeg[/url])

The tender has been stolen from a J39 for photographic purposes only, although it is of the correct type for a mid 1930's K3/1.

I've now got a long queue of bits to print to clear the backlog....


Is that on an N class chassis?  I was wondering whether your later K3 body would fit the N chassis, it looks about right and possibly preferable to rewheeling a V2.  I'm going to need a couple of K3s at some point.

Richard
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 08, 2017, 08:13:38 am
Is that on an N class chassis?  I was wondering whether your later K3 body would fit the N chassis, it looks about right and possibly preferable to rewheeling a V2.  I'm going to need a couple of K3s at some point.

Richard

Hi Richard, that is indeed on an N class chassis (as is the N2 and V1). However, both the K3s I've built using the N class have had the CAD modified to allow the body to fit - the one from Shapeways won't as supplied (although is can be hacked around with care). The N class is a close match for the K3 if you're happy to accept some compromises on overall dimensions (I think its better than the V2 option) but you've got the problem of having to unsolder the DCC plug in the tender and then sorting out an LNER style replacement and resolder the DCC plug. I'm lucky enough to have a few V2 tender chassis and frame mouldings having bought the last remaining ones from BR lines (last remaining that Bob could find at the time anyway) but I'm also working on a replacement of my own to utilise the N class's tender wheels - as with all things, time is the limiting factor here.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 08, 2017, 08:16:16 am
Looking great as usual, good luck with the exhibition  :thumbsup:

Thank you and thank you, Mr Price! I'm actually quite nervous. I've helped with operating a couple of layouts and covered a demonstrator for a lunch break before (just sat there for 30 minutes really) but this is the first time I'm really out on my own with no friendly people to run and give backup when I get stuck!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 08, 2017, 05:00:33 pm
Looking great as usual, good luck with the exhibition  :thumbsup:

Thank you and thank you, Mr Price! I'm actually quite nervous. I've helped with operating a couple of layouts and covered a demonstrator for a lunch break before (just sat there for 30 minutes really) but this is the first time I'm really out on my own with no friendly people to run and give backup when I get stuck!
Ha in that case next year we are at Warely, and guess who will get an operating invite
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 08, 2017, 09:21:01 pm
Ha in that case next year we are at Warely, and guess who will get an operating invite

Will running rights be granted to some LNER locomotive then???  :D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 09, 2017, 06:53:26 am
Ha in that case next year we are at Warely, and guess who will get an operating invite

Will running rights be granted to some LNER locomotive then???  :D

Maybe
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 10, 2017, 10:53:13 am
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 10, 2017, 11:00:43 am
Another locomotive has joined the works...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-101017104924.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-101017105253.jpeg)

A Peppercorn K1, once again using an N class chassis. The print, other than having the supports removed and given a spray of primer has not had anything else done to it yet. At extreme close up and using a flash you can see most of the details I've incorporated into this print as well as just being able to see the 50 micron (0.05mm) build lines. These will clean up easily enough with a little careful work. Annoyingly there are a couple of minor misalignments along the running plate but these can be filled and sanded to make good.

The tender is a mix of a Dapol B1 frame set (motor removed) and an old Farish V2 tender top (as it doesn't have a hole for the drive shaft in the front!). The fit isn't perfect yet and it is the tender than is wonky, not the cab of the loco!

A couple of little bits to do to sort out the ride height of the locomotive and then I'll be cleaning it up. It'll be with me a TaD-Rail on Saturday if anyone is interested in seeing it but it will be far from finished by then as the BR double lining is more complex than the LNER's single lined mixed traffic black (which is underway on the other three at the moment).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 11, 2017, 01:37:33 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 02:30:05 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe

MAYBE?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on October 11, 2017, 03:45:46 pm
I'd love to see some of these locomotives in the flesh (or 3D, or whatever).

That K3 looks great in grey, never mind when it's finished. And as for the V1/V3.............

How hard is the material you're using these days?

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 11, 2017, 04:04:51 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe

MAYBE?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :smiley-laughing:

Well seeing as its you
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 04:08:20 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe

MAYBE?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :smiley-laughing:

Well seeing as its you

I should bleeding well think so too....  :P :P :P
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on October 11, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe

MAYBE?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :smiley-laughing:

Well seeing as its you

I should bleeding well think so too....  :P :P :P

how could I refuse you
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 04:13:34 pm
Maybe

Maybe?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :smiley-laughing:

Yes maybe

MAYBE?!?!?!  :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :smiley-laughing:

Well seeing as its you

I should bleeding well think so too....  :P :P :P

how could I refuse you

Ohhhhhhhhh!!! Matron!!!!!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 04:16:45 pm
Just to prove that things have still been going on on the workbench...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-111017161416.jpeg)

It is difficult to see with that gloss finish but all the hand lining is complete, boiler bands, lettering and numbers will be completed using transfers now. Then it is handrails (shudders), buffers and final detailing to complete.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 04:31:04 pm
I'd love to see some of these locomotives in the flesh (or 3D, or whatever).

That K3 looks great in grey, never mind when it's finished. And as for the V1/V3.............

How hard is the material you're using these days?

Regards,

Roy

Hi Roy,

Sorry I missed this originally, many thanks for your kind words.

The N2 and V1 are Shapeways Frosted Extreme Detail which is reasonably hard but a little brittle. The K3 is printed on my machine in resin which can be post cured using UV light to a range of hardnesses depending how long you wish to expose the piece for. I like to keep a little flex in the print as I'm found taking it to an ultra hard state results in easy breakages and would say that it is comparable to a plastic injection moulded body but at the point where you would see plastic start to stress from bending, the resin will simply snap.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on October 11, 2017, 06:05:34 pm
The N2 and V1 are Shapeways Frosted Extreme Detail which is reasonably hard but a little brittle. The K3 is printed on my machine in resin which can be post cured using UV light to a range of hardnesses depending how long you wish to expose the piece for.

That's interesting. Does that mean there is a real risk of increasing brittleness in time as exposed to natural UV? I guess painted that should be minimised, but good to not leave in direct sunlight?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 11, 2017, 06:27:50 pm
That's interesting. Does that mean there is a real risk of increasing brittleness in time as exposed to natural UV? I guess painted that should be minimised, but good to not leave in direct sunlight?

Cheers,
Alan

Hi Alan,

FUD/FXD and the resins used in SLA printers are all UV reactant and would continue to harden if exposed to a high intensity UV source without protection. Painted they should be as good as any other resin or thermoplastic in terms of lifespan but, like these other materials, will likely become more brittle as time goes on. My oldest FUD print must now be getting on for seven years old (if not more) and has so far exhibited no deterioration in it's condition while my oldest B9 print must be three years old now and again has shown no signs of deterioration. Both currently reside on a display shelf that is exposed to direct sunlight for several hours per day.

In a nutshell, painted you should be as safe as any other material.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 13, 2017, 04:57:57 pm
A bit of an update on two of the locomotives...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-131017165542.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/213-131017165604.jpeg)

Nearly finish cosmetically with a few extra details and weathering to still be done. The V1 is lagging behind a bit still.

Both the N2 and V1 still need to have their pickups sorted on the rear radial wheel...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on October 13, 2017, 06:53:57 pm
Thank you very much for these photographs of splendid-looking locomotives.

The little Stirling/Ivatt cab certainly accentuates the K3's massive boiler.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on October 13, 2017, 09:44:07 pm
Marvellous modelling, Steve :drool:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 14, 2017, 07:09:40 pm
Marvellous modelling, Steve :drool:

Thank you very much for these photographs of splendid-looking locomotives.

The little Stirling/Ivatt cab certainly accentuates the K3's massive boiler.

With all best wishes.

John

Thank you guys.

I agree with you John that the GNR cab does emphasise the 6' boiler more than the later 'standard' cab did. It is interesting to compare the differences between the K3/1 and K3/3 and I had a couple of people asking if it was a K2 because of the cab at Wing today!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 26, 2017, 11:14:30 am
Well while not posting, I have been working on a few bits and pieces in the background for a couple of other people since the weekend of the Wing and Peterborough exhibitions. However, needing a bit of a break, I've turned my attention back to one of the NQP Dapol A3s, that needed attention to the valve gear, that I purchased at the Dapol Open day.

Currently it looks like this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/213-261017110538.jpeg)

Originally 'Grand Parade' she's been stripped of her identity and the vacuum ejector pipe and reversing gear has been removed from the left hand side of the locomotive and transplanted to the right hand side. I've still got some touch up repairs to do where I've removed these components but I think that overall the cosmetic surgery to date has been a success. One issue that had shown up however, is that the cylinders on this locomotive refuse to sit against the running plate properly. It would appear that the previous owner attempted to glue these into place (badly) resulting in a lip forming that prevents the cylinder assembly clipping to the running plate as it should. Therefore, I'm going to have to do what I hoped to avoid and strip the locomotive back so that I can get into the affected area and remove the glue. The glue is obviously not the same type that Dapol uses which is why I'm leaning towards this being the work of the previous owner before they returned the locomotive.

If anyone is interested, this one is likely to become Harvester in mid 1930's condition. I've have two pictures of this locomotive, the first is dated 1928 and she is shown paired with a corridor tender. However, it appears that she lost this at some point as the picture dated 1932 shows her with a GNR tender as per my donor model (or should that be victim?  >:D ).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on October 26, 2017, 08:11:29 pm
Steve,

RCTS Part 2A table (summary of A1 and A3) shows 2573 Harvester, built in October 1924, as having a GNR type tender with coal rails initially, changed to a corridor tender in April 1928, but reverting to a GNR type from July 1928.

Figure 86 in that volume shows her in May 1932 with that tender, near Darlington with the down Flying Scotsman. Figure 84 shows her near Inverkeithing on clearance trials in July 1928, with the corridor tender.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 26, 2017, 08:15:56 pm
Steve,

RCTS Part 2A table (summary of A1 and A3) shows 2573 Harvester, built in October 1924, as having a GNR type tender with coal rails initially, changed to a corridor tender in April 1928, but reverting to a GNR type from July 1928.

Figure 86 in that volume shows her in May 1932 with that tender, near Darlington with the down Flying Scotsman. Figure 84 shows her near Inverkeithing on clearance trials in July 1928, with the corridor tender.

Regards,

Roy

Hi Roy,

Thanks for the history of the tender swaps. Your source is the same as mine but I'll happily admit that I'd missed all that lovely information somehow...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on October 26, 2017, 08:22:32 pm
Steve,

It's that fiddly fold away sheet at the back (one of 2) and you need to hold the sheet flat and use a ruler to read all the detail along the line for each locomotive. Makes a nice change after fitting 12" to the foot brake hangers and brake blocks  (two was enough for today!) on the J27 tender and then cutting the grass at home.

I'm very fond of the RCTS set - very useful when I'm deciding on a particular locomotive and need to get the details established.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on October 26, 2017, 08:30:01 pm
Ahhh that explains it. If I'm using the book at the work bench there isn't enough room to unfold that bit and I'm always worried about damaging it! I'll put it out flat on a bigger table over the weekend and have a proper gander at it. Many thanks for this.

I'm fond of the RTCS series as well having managed to collect all the volumes over the last decade or so. Originally I had the whole set reserved and was buying them a few at a time but the the shop closed suddenly and I lost the opportunity to buy about half of them. Luckily I finally completed the set while on the NYMR when I found a part set that was pretty much everything I was still missing - I do wonder if that was my original reserved set but it would have travelled over two hundred miles...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on October 26, 2017, 08:42:56 pm

If anyone is interested, this one is likely to become Harvester in mid 1930's condition. I've have two pictures of this locomotive, the first is dated 1928 and she is shown paired with a corridor tender. However, it appears that she lost this at some point as the picture dated 1932 shows her with a GNR tender as per my donor model (or should that be victim?  >:D ).

Steve, Having seen your work on the Forum, certainly not the victim!  Beneficiary more like.

Steve,

Makes a nice change after fitting 12" to the foot brake hangers and brake blocks  (two was enough for today!) on the J27 tender.

Roy, Agreed (these are heavy components) and thank you very much for doing this.  I like the 'J27' and have travelled behind her a few times.

Best wishes, both.

John

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: PeteW on October 27, 2017, 02:17:23 pm
Steve, Having seen your work on the Forum, certainly not the victim!  Beneficiary more like.

Agreed! I've been rummaging about the LNER forums for research purposes, and was reading some of Steve's earliest posts from about 10 years ago and - to quote one of my favourite movies - "You've come far, pilgrim".
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 07, 2017, 07:56:08 pm
Thank you John and Pete for your kind words and sorry about the delay in replying!

Not much going in with physical modelling but these two have just made the cut of time with Shapeways for (hopefully) printing before Christmas!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-071217195318.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-071217195345.jpeg)

The eagle eyed among you may have noticed that one of these is NOT of an LNER prototype!  :-[ :-[

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on December 07, 2017, 09:14:58 pm
Has that Paul Price been bribing you by any chance, Steve? ;)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 07, 2017, 10:54:14 pm
Has that Paul Price been bribing you by any chance, Steve? ;)

No bribery at all Mick, although Mr Price did promise me a beer and I'm still waiting....  :beers:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 09:14:50 am
Forgot to mention that the below also got sent to Shapeways for printing yesterday...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-081217091406.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on December 08, 2017, 07:51:10 pm
Has that Paul Price been bribing you by any chance, Steve? ;)

No bribery at all Mick, although Mr Price did promise me a beer and I'm still waiting....  :beers:

Did I, I cant remember that I must have banged my head or something
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 08, 2017, 08:32:56 pm
Did I, I cant remember that I must have banged my head or something

Must have done...  ;)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on December 08, 2017, 09:49:59 pm
I WANT BEER I WANT BEER  :beers: :beers: :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on December 13, 2017, 05:46:28 pm
Thank you John and Pete for your kind words and sorry about the delay in replying!

Not much going in with physical modelling but these two have just made the cut of time with Shapeways for (hopefully) printing before Christmas!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-071217195318.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-071217195345.jpeg[/url])

The eagle eyed among you may have noticed that one of these is NOT of an LNER prototype!  :-[ :-[


Steve,

Is that one of the Hawthorn Leslie batch of A5s? If so, I'll be watching avidly - it has great appeal, because these locomotives were used around here and, most of all, because it's a Pacific Tank with inside cylinders, so I'm thinking not too difficult to adapt a chassis to fit.

Very Interested!

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 14, 2017, 04:09:07 pm
Is that one of the Hawthorn Leslie batch of A5s? If so, I'll be watching avidly - it has great appeal, because these locomotives were used around here and, most of all, because it's a Pacific Tank with inside cylinders, so I'm thinking not too difficult to adapt a chassis to fit.

Hi Roy,

Yes it is the Hawthorn Leslie version of the A5. No. 5007 was a frequent visitor around the southern end of the GNR so I had to design it! I'll make it available as a 'scratch aid' on Shapeways in due course.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 14, 2017, 04:17:28 pm
Thanks to the very helpful people at Dapol, I've now received and fitted some spare valve gear to my Flying Scotsman project.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/213-141217160950.jpeg)

The loco was originally 2750 Papyrus which I purchased cheaply second hand in a very poor non-running condition. Modifications so far include:

- Moving the relevant gubbings from the left to right hand side of the loco and patch painting
- Removing the handrails to get at the superheater header covers on the smoke box
- Removing the superheater header covers
- Replacing the handrails (N-Brass handrail knobs and guitar wire) and patch painting
- Replacing the tender with a corridor type and de-streamlining it
- Replacement cab (I had a spare 4472 cab and was feeling too lazy to renumber Papyrus's)
- Replacement valve gear, drive shaft and tender drawbar

I've still got a little patch painting to do as well as lining out the cartazzi truck, bogie wheels and tender frames and renumbering the buffer beam but I'm very happy to see the locomotive finally run, three or four years after I purchased it! It'll always be a little inaccurate as the cab should have the lower cutouts and the reversing rod should be the straight type but I can live with these relatively minor points.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on December 14, 2017, 05:38:44 pm
Steve,

Great news about the A5 - I'll watch with interest - Darlington had about 10 of them in the early 1950s.

Your Scotsman looks great. Do you find the Dapol Cartazzi truck jumps around a lot in running? I've only got one Dapol Pacific (60022) and the truck on that seems to be very light, whereas the trucks on my Farish Pacfics are much steadier.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on December 14, 2017, 06:00:54 pm
Your Scotsman looks great. Do you find the Dapol Cartazzi truck jumps around a lot in running? I've only got one Dapol Pacific (60022) and the truck on that seems to be very light, whereas the trucks on my Farish Pacfics are much steadier.

This one doesn't seem to be a problem although some of my others do exhibit that tendency. I believe that Dr Al found that some of the running plates on some of his pacifics were riding a little high and that this didn't help. I know that at least three of mine are high but I've not had them apart yet to correct this.

The Farish Cartazzi trucks are part of the drawbar and therefore much more stable (and to be honest look better). It might be possible to do something similar with the Dapol A3s/A4s but it'll be awhile before I look into this.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on December 14, 2017, 06:26:03 pm
I believe that Dr Al found that some of the running plates on some of his pacifics were riding a little high and that this didn't help. I know that at least three of mine are high but I've not had them apart yet to correct this.

Not so much high, as that many sit nose down meaning the footplate above the drivers is not horizontal. It looks odd (very noticable sitting next to a platform), can cause clashing with the coupling box at the front end (when corrected the cutout on the bufferbeam can be filled), and does mean the gap between the rear truck and the footplate can be large.

More generally, the design of the truck is fairly poor - it relies on the screw and the brass insert you screw it into being set up just correctly. Often they aren't meaning the thing sits at an angle - either the brass piece is pushed home too far or not enough.

The Farish Cartazzi trucks are part of the drawbar and therefore much more stable (and to be honest look better). It might be possible to do something similar with the Dapol A3s/A4s but it'll be awhile before I look into this.

Farish execution of this is far superior. I doubt that there's much option to change the Dapol ones significantly, though cutting out the slop by removal of the slotted nature of the attachment would help a lot in control of the truck.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on December 14, 2017, 07:12:50 pm
Alan,

I'd had an idle thought (ie not followed up by trying anything yet) that perhaps a light helical spring, if it could be fitted, might exert some gentle downward pressure on the truck?

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on December 15, 2017, 12:49:16 am
Alan,

I'd had an idle thought (ie not followed up by trying anything yet) that perhaps a light helical spring, if it could be fitted, might exert some gentle downward pressure on the truck?

Regards,

Roy

It's a possibility - though actually, I've rarely found that tracking is the issue with this - they generally stay on track ok (which I actually find surprising), but often sit skew up or skew down, and look pretty mediocre. Height can be adjusted as I say with careful adjustment of the attachment bolt, but I've not graduated to cutting down the lateral slop.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2018, 07:03:08 pm
Something that I've been working on and off with for a few months now and (shock horror!!!!!) it's not an LNER locomotive!  :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-310118190107.jpeg)

Trying to work out the correct shape of the firebox has been a real PITA but I think I'm just about there with it now. Still plenty of detailing to do with this one!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on January 31, 2018, 07:45:19 pm
That long splasher makes it quite attractive.

One of Hawksworth's Counties (not very familiar with Swindon products, so hesitant)?

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on January 31, 2018, 08:14:10 pm
One of Hawksworth's Counties (not very familiar with Swindon products, so hesitant)?

You are quite correct Roy, it is a County. It is one of the few GWR 4-6-0 types I can confidently identify without having to look it up or look at the nameplates for a clue!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on February 01, 2018, 01:45:29 am
Just when I was getting somewhere building mine!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1193-180118010232.jpeg)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 11:25:24 am
Just when I was getting somewhere building mine!

That's looking really good Alex!  8)

In my defense, I did make noises that I'd be looking into this one on the County topic in the kit built locos section...  :sorrysign: :sorrysign:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on February 01, 2018, 11:58:27 am
Thanks for the compliment Steve, I have posted the progress of the build here:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23691.75 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23691.75)

But I must admit I like the look of your county body a lot, how much more do you need to do before a test print? it would certainly save me a lot of cursing swearing and filing (I have done a lot of that already!) as you can see on my workbench, I did not start with the drawing, so ended up a bit short in length, but lucky for me, the 8F firebox was short by almost the exact amount!
please keep going Steve, I am really pleased that you have taken this on (any chance that your body would fit a peco jubilee chassis?)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 01:28:58 pm
That's an impressive bit of hacking of the old diecast Farish bodies Alex!

I've already printed an initial rough and ready model to check its fit on the Farish Black Five chassis (the newer tender driven version).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-010218132337.jpeg)

I find this kind of thing useful and it has already been altered slightly from this version by decreasing the angle of the firebox slope.

Will it fit a Peco Jubilee? I honestly don't know and don't actually a whole own one to check (I have a handful of spare parts though, about 50% of what's required to make one up). My guess would be that the loco body might fit but slightly high due to the 6'9 drivers but I don't think the tender body would.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: trkilliman on February 01, 2018, 02:19:15 pm
The County being undertaken by Hailstone and Atso are both very interesting projects.

It surprises me that a commercially available county has not already been made, but then I think 3D will make increasing inroads into our hobby filling many gaps.

Do you make your own 3D prints Atso or are they something that comes through Shapeway's?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 04:34:14 pm
The County being undertaken by Hailstone and Atso are both very interesting projects.

It surprises me that a commercially available county has not already been made, but then I think 3D will make increasing inroads into our hobby filling many gaps.

Do you make your own 3D prints Atso or are they something that comes through Shapeway's?

Thank you trkilliman,

I'm surprised as well, I would say that it can't be miles off but then again there has been a slow down in the announcement, development and release of new models recently.

In answer to your question, I have my own 3D printer, a B9Creator, but also use Shapeways, iMaterialise and occasionally others - it all depends on which method/printer can get the best results for what I want. The roughed out test prints pictured above were done on the B9 and I think that the final loco body will be produced using this machine (I hope to cast these). The tender however warps no matter how I try and orientate in on my machine, therefore this will likely end up being sent to Shapeways or similar for final printing.

Whichever printer ends up being used, there will be a post finishing process required (sanding down) before I'm happy with them.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 06:16:04 pm
Some more detailing work done on the County. The drawings do not show the location of the rivets so these have been plotted from suitable photographs - all in all most time consuming!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-010218181418.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-010218181351.jpeg)

Still plenty left to do on this!!!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on February 01, 2018, 07:14:52 pm
I'm intrigued as to why you chose the B5 chassis instead of a Dapol Hall - the latter would require a lot less mods as all the cylinders/valve gear are GW pattern. 6' wheel diameter, which is the same as the B5, and the tender pattern is right - just need a Hawksworth flat sided body.

Maybe I'm missing something mega-obvious though as I'm not that big on GW knowledge!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on February 01, 2018, 07:22:22 pm
Hi Alan,

The reason for using the Black Five is to get the (more or less) correct tender frames. Hawkesworth designed a completely new tender for the County with different frames to any other GWR locomotive currently available RTR. To use the Hall would require me to completely redesign the tender chassis and motor mountings which made the project a bit off putting. Ultimately it is a compromise to try and get as close to visually right as possible (0.5mm out on the coupled wheelbase).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 01, 2018, 10:53:43 pm
The County being undertaken by Hailstone and Atso are both very interesting projects.

It surprises me that a commercially available county has not already been made,

It has  - mostly in white metal for old Farish chassis. It's one of the range of white metal GWR kits P&D Marsh do (along with the 68xx, 93xx, 29xx). They are prretty dated kits although being a big lump of white metal have excellent traction. Todays 3D print should be able to produce a far finer model.

Alan
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Post by: trkilliman on February 02, 2018, 06:44:11 am
Yes, I have 3 of the Langley County kits. One I have had that long that the old Farish Hall chassis could be had new for 23 from Hatton's!    The other two have been picked up cheap in recent years. I do have a Hall chassis but have never actually gotten around to using it for a County. It's probably nostalgia that plays a part in me hanging onto them.

I think for many of us a dilemma would be running a whitemetal County alongside current offerings, where the bar has been raised so high with regard detail. I have made the County kits up and airbrushed them. Even with some N brass detailing when put alongside a Dapol Hall they just don't cut the mustard.
o called
This 3D printed County is interesting, especially if Atso is able to print it himself to a good standard bypassing Shapeway's. We may be on the cusp of seeing a modern day resurgence of the so called "Cottage industries" using 3D printing to produce items the major players "pass over" 

The price of model railway products coming out of China is seemingly rising year on year. I envisage this may well lead to more people looking to actually build something themselves, from the likes of Atso, Etched Pixels, NGS, 2mm association and others.
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Post by: Atso on February 02, 2018, 11:14:47 am
Sorry, I thought that trkilliman was referring to RTR models earlier - my apologies.  :sorrysign:

I've found that my printer is a good match for Shapeways but doesn't totally replace it. Quite a few of my models are still produced by Shapeways, or similar, where the B9 is incapable of producing a superior print - usually due to warping issues but the build area is also very small. It really is a case of picking the best printer option to do the job. The other problem is the time taken to print, the County takes around eight hours to print the locomotive body on my printer and I can only print one at a time so this isn't cost effective for direct sales.

I'm hoping to using fettled prints to produce casting masters going forward, which effectively is what I did with the original pigeon van kit a few years ago. However, this may not be cost effective for everything so some prints sold directly by/though Shapeways will still have a place.

I did investigate the Form 2 printer and had a company produce some test prints. I have to say that I'm impressed with how smooth the prints are and the big build area. However, the detail isn't as crisp as prints produced on the B9 and Shapeways (FUD/FXD) and the consumables are more expensive so I'm going to be waiting for at least the next generation of this printer before deciding if I'm going to try and find the money to buy one.
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Post by: Hailstone on February 02, 2018, 07:10:03 pm
I'm intrigued as to why you chose the B5 chassis instead of a Dapol Hall - the latter would require a lot less mods as all the cylinders/valve gear are GW pattern. 6' wheel diameter, which is the same as the B5, and the tender pattern is right - just need a Hawksworth flat sided body.

Maybe I'm missing something mega-obvious though as I'm not that big on GW knowledge!

Cheers,
Alan

Sorry Alan, but the frames of the Collet 4000 galon tender and the Hawksorth 4000 gallon tender are completely different, the Hawksworth frames look more like the Stanier tender, which was one of the reasons I used the Peco Jubilee in the first place as I had a whitemetal conversion kit which included a Hawksworth tender body designed to fit on the jubilee tender chassis

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: Atso on February 02, 2018, 07:22:16 pm
The latest test print showing rivets, warts and all...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191805.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191833.jpeg)

I also started on some of the boiler fitting. I'm really not convinced that I've captured the look of the double chimney though (single chimney will be modelled too!)..  :hmmm: :hmmm:.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191933.jpeg)
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Post by: Hailstone on February 02, 2018, 07:32:09 pm
Steve, The double chimney on your latest cad was only fitted to no 1000, the later ones were much more squat, so much so, that many people considered that it ruined the looks of the engine (I must admit I rather like it)

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: Atso on February 04, 2018, 08:41:24 am
Steve, The double chimney on your latest cad was only fitted to no 1000, the later ones were much more squat, so much so, that many people considered that it ruined the looks of the engine (I must admit I rather like it)

Thanks Alex,

Your comment is interesting as I was trying to get the BR period one! Obviously this needs work!

I made the trip down to the Alton show yesterday and took the current County test print with me (no chimney though). Carl Woodward and Matt Pinto both gave it the once over and (encouragingly) haven't found anything wrong with it. Carl also found a nice book on GWR locomotives that was duly purchased. It has the dimensions for the original double chimney in it so hopefully I can use this to work out the height of the BR version. If not I think a trip to Didcot might be required to measure up the surviving one before it can be mounted on the replica being built - oh, the hardships!!!  :smiley-laughing:
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Post by: trkilliman on February 04, 2018, 10:08:49 am
Bill Bedford etches. Yes I get the impression he has stopped doing N gauge.

A pity. As I have said before I feel with rtr prices increasing as they are more will be tempted/pushed to try their hand and actually building things.  This is an area in which the NGS could capitalise with their range of wagon kits.

Just a few days back I looked at the current cost of a Farish Toad brake van...I had to look twice to ensure I didn't need a trip to Specsavers!
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Post by: paulprice on February 04, 2018, 06:38:13 pm
The latest test print showing rivets, warts and all...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191805.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191833.jpeg[/url])

I also started on some of the boiler fitting. I'm really not convinced that I've captured the look of the double chimney though (single chimney will be modelled too!)..  :hmmm: :hmmm:.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/213-020218191933.jpeg[/url])


Looks good to me, OMG what is happening to me, praising a none LMS loco
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 05, 2018, 01:35:49 pm
OMG what is happening to me, praising a non LMS loco


@paulprice (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4342) Lack of beer, old chap, lack of beer :beers:
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 02:05:09 pm
Having recently received some additional cash, I have purchased a couple of category 'C' locomotives from DCC Supplies for donor parts.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318140027.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-070318140112.jpeg)

As these will require an element of mixing and matching between the two locomotives to get a representation of what I want, these will be strictly personal projects. Also, as I have other work on the go at the moment, these may take some time to complete. However, as a little break from these, I will be having a go at stripping these down this afternoon to make sure my ideas might actually work.

Any initial guesses as to what I have planned for them?
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Post by: CarriageShed on March 07, 2018, 04:39:25 pm
Any initial guesses as to what I have planned for them?

A jumbo-sized, double-boilered 4-6-2-6-4...?
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Post by: joe cassidy on March 07, 2018, 06:16:35 pm
Great Bear, or whatever the unique GWR pacific was called ?
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 06:23:05 pm
Great Bear, or whatever the unique GWR pacific was called ?


Not sure

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-070318182127.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62682)
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 07:17:53 pm
A jumbo-sized, double-boilered 4-6-2-6-4...?

Nope  :no:

Great Bear, or whatever the unique GWR pacific was called ?

And nope!  :no:
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Post by: R Marshall on March 07, 2018, 08:18:22 pm
Fascinated, but no idea!
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 08:27:24 pm
Ok a clue. If things pan out (and that's a big if) then both will be loosing one set of driving wheels...

Originally the Brit's driving wheels were going to end up on the Grange but Dapol have changed the axle gear from a 20 tooth to a (I think) 15 tooth since the Brit was launched. Therefore the plan has changed slightly from what I originally envisaged note that this helps anyone!
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Post by: R Marshall on March 07, 2018, 08:30:33 pm
Atlantics - Wow!
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 08:34:17 pm
Atlantics - Wow!

Not plural. What's the second one going to be...
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Post by: Mr Sprue on March 07, 2018, 08:46:20 pm
God this has got me going now! Is it one these Steve?

(http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/northeast/shildon3/Img_2567.jpg)
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 08:50:59 pm
Nope, built one of those already.... :-)
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 09:08:43 pm
County tank
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:22:52 pm
Nope. Not a GWR locomotive I'm afraid.
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Post by: Mr Sprue on March 07, 2018, 09:25:23 pm
County tank

If I am correct I think R Marshall's post was the clue!
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Post by: carlwooduk on March 07, 2018, 09:26:45 pm
Steve, you have  stopped my mind whirring on GWR types, now you have given a clue its a Loco from the East, not west.... I am intrigued!
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:27:51 pm
The clue for one but not the other - but which donor is The Atlantic???
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 09:29:30 pm
C13 or C4 using Worsley works etches.
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:31:30 pm
Steve, you have  stopped my mind whirring on GWR types, now you have given a clue its a Loco from the East, not west.... I am intrigued!

After the 'fun' plotting out the County 4-6-0 boiler I need a break with something a little bit easier to CAD....

Speak of which I need to get the County's tender CAD finshed...
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:32:53 pm
A jubilee would probably be the best starting point for a C4. Not a C13 either I'm afraid but I do have the drawings for those...
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 09:35:25 pm
A jubilee would probably be the best starting point for a C4. Not a C13 either I'm afraid but I do have the drawings for those...

I have the etches, its a longer term pair of projects.  I need to build my U1 first.

It will be nice to see an Atlantic built.
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:50:52 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing that U1! :)
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 09:54:46 pm
There is a lot of machining of WD 2-8-0 chassis to do as the motors need to be reversed to fit.  The rest of the loco is a very simple design and can be easily fabricated in brass.

As for a County Tank a Farish V2 chassis is the best starting point.
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Post by: Atso on March 07, 2018, 09:59:59 pm
There is a lot of machining of WD 2-8-0 chassis to do as the motors need to be reversed to fit.  The rest of the loco is a very simple design and can be easily fabricated in brass.

As for a County Tank a Farish V2 chassis is the best starting point.

Hmm how would the Dapol 38xx shape up for the U1? It know it is pretty close for an O4.

Re the County tank, I would be looking at a pannier to hack about and fit bigger wheels to - V2s are becoming hard to come by nowadays...
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 07, 2018, 10:04:20 pm
There is a lot of machining of WD 2-8-0 chassis to do as the motors need to be reversed to fit.  The rest of the loco is a very simple design and can be easily fabricated in brass.

As for a County Tank a Farish V2 chassis is the best starting point.

Hmm how would the Dapol 38xx shape up for the U1? It know it is pretty close for an O4.

Re the County tank, I would be looking at a pannier to hack about and fit bigger wheels to - V2s are becoming hard to come by nowadays...

There is a white metal GWR Tank loco that is almost spot on for the basis of the body.  GWR liked to reuse standard boilers and the County Tank was a case in point. I have the bits, just not sat down to figure out what changes need to be made.  A future build thread I think.
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Post by: Atso on March 08, 2018, 01:28:50 pm
Ok since people seem to have stopped guessing, does this very rough layout using parts from the Grange and a couple of spare bogies give anyone some clues?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/213-080318132737.jpeg)
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Post by: Snowwolflair on March 08, 2018, 01:32:16 pm
NER Raven class
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Post by: Atso on March 08, 2018, 01:44:25 pm
NER Raven class

Nope, too far north for my own modelling, although I do love the Raven tank and Gresley's rebuild of it. Technically this one wouldn't have run on the ECML either but I rather like it and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think it might have been tested on suburban services out of Kings Cross when the LNER inherited it. A further clue, I think I'll be modelling it in its original(ish) livery to add a bit of variety to the more common liveries...
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Post by: Dr Al on March 08, 2018, 03:02:52 pm
The only listed LNER 4-4-4's are the H1 and H2, and with H1 ruled out, the only logical second is the H2, or a non-LNER prototype.

Cheers,
Alan
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Post by: Atso on March 08, 2018, 03:12:20 pm
The only listed LNER 4-4-4's are the H1 and H2, and with H1 ruled out, the only logical second is the H2, or a non-LNER prototype.

Cheers,
Alan

Indeed. Nice bit of logic!  :D
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Post by: R Marshall on March 08, 2018, 09:10:51 pm
Oh, the relief!
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Post by: Atso on April 24, 2018, 01:51:52 pm
I've been looking at the L1 CAD recently and have decided that it needs an upgrade. The original CAD was completed back in 2010 and was the first model I had produced in (the then new) FUD material from Shapeways. As such it is not as detailed as my current models and only covers the batch built at Darlington.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-240418134317.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-240418134400.jpeg)

The CAD above represents no. 67740-67765 built by the North British Locomotive Company and were not fitted with Westinghouse pumps. I'll be doing the Doncaster, both North British and Stephenson & Hawthorns versions but not the prototype (no. 9000/67701) at the moment.

As you can see I've broken the back on the CAD but still have a way to go. I'm also designing it to be a better fit for the Farish 2MT chassis (which was available when I designed the original L1).
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 24, 2018, 09:28:52 pm
That looks great, Steve :goggleeyes:
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Post by: Hailstone on April 24, 2018, 10:53:37 pm
any progress on the County Steve?

Regards

Alex
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Post by: Atso on April 24, 2018, 11:06:22 pm
any progress on the County Steve?

Regards :searchingsign:

Alex

Hi Alex,

Yes and no. I've been trying to find enough information to resolve the problems with the chimney and safety valve covers. I think I've got enough to continue now but still have to come up with a workable solution for the vertical cab handrails - I can leave them for the builder to fit (fiddly) or I can make them over scale and put them on the CAD as part of the print. Thoughts on this please?
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Post by: Hailstone on April 24, 2018, 11:23:04 pm
I think that I would rather add the cab handrails in brass Steve, I don't believe that they would be strong enough if printed to a reasonable size. I had to do this on one of the Trojans when I broke the back of the cab off due to holding it too tight when sanding.

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: Atso on April 25, 2018, 12:55:21 pm
A morning playing around with the County. I've altered the shape of the safety valve cover and top feeds slightly to better match the photographs I have. I've also lowered the chimney but I'm still not satisfied with the shape of it. The basic outline of the steam pipes have also been added now along with a few other details.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-250418125306.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-250418125649.jpeg)
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Post by: Hailstone on April 25, 2018, 04:23:20 pm
have you been unable to inspect the real chimney at Didcot? I may be able to help as I still know quite a few people there

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: bridgiesimon on April 25, 2018, 06:02:32 pm
Handrails wise, what about leaving dimples or hols in the correct positions for the handrail knobs etc. Would save the risk of fragile printed ones and make it easier for the builder to fit them. There are a couple of versions of knobs available. I used to get them from the NGS shop. No idea now, possibly N Brass?

Best wishes
Simon
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Post by: Hailstone on April 25, 2018, 11:15:31 pm
Handrails wise, what about leaving dimples or hols in the correct positions for the handrail knobs etc. Would save the risk of fragile printed ones and make it easier for the builder to fit them. There are a couple of versions of knobs available. I used to get them from the NGS shop. No idea now, possibly N Brass?

Best wishes
Simon

BH enterprises and N brass locos supply handrail knobs and brass handrail

Regards,

Alex
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Post by: Atso on April 26, 2018, 11:07:08 am
have you been unable to inspect the real chimney at Didcot? I may be able to help as I still know quite a few people there

Not yet but that's more of a case of not having had the time to get over there. If I can't resolve this adequate from the drawings and photographs then I'll have to arrange a visit. However, I've got a few things going on that need to be finished before I can justify a day trip to measure up.

Handrails wise, what about leaving dimples or hols in the correct positions for the handrail knobs etc. Would save the risk of fragile printed ones and make it easier for the builder to fit them. There are a couple of versions of knobs available. I used to get them from the NGS shop. No idea now, possibly N Brass?

Thanks Simon,

I always leave holes for handrail knobs. The issue is the vertical handrails at the back of the cab. These don't have any handrail knobs and join the cab at the bottom of the cab and again at the roofline with the handrail intersecting a freestanding bit of beading at the window line. Dapol's solution was to mould this integrally with the cab while Farish chose to use wire. The issue with using wire is the bit of beading, I'm not sure I can make it strong enough to (a.) print and (b.) withstand the fitting of the wire. By making the handrail slightly overscale, I can print it as part of the cab but it'll always be a weak spot - it'll also help by not having to form two bits of wire with two precise beads in it to meet the cab side and roof.
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Post by: Atso on April 26, 2018, 05:06:52 pm
More progress on the L1 today. Trying to work out where there should be rivets from photographs has proven to be tough.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-260418170155.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-260418170230.jpeg)

I've still got the sandbox covers, lubricators and other such sundry items to do...

For a class that was supposed to be one of Thompson's 'standards' there are two different roofs, two styles of running plate, and three different boiler arrangements to have to design to cover the production versions (but not the prototype which is slightly different again!)...  :confusedsign: :confusedsign: :confusedsign:
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Post by: Atso on April 26, 2018, 10:45:52 pm
A reasonably quick re motoring job using one of the 7mm coreless motors that were available on eBay a year or so back. Wheels are from a Farish B1 and need a little tweaking to get them quartered properly. The gear wheel was 'borrowed' from an old Farish wheel set (possibly off an A3). The Dapol B1 boiler is attached to make use of its tungsten weight.



All a bit Heath Robinson at the moment.
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Post by: Atso on April 27, 2018, 11:50:03 pm
The L1 is just about done cosmetically (this variant at least...).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/213-270418234846.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Martin on April 30, 2018, 09:53:25 pm
None of this is really my period, but you've done some lovely work. As a matter of interest, did your Sir Sam Fay ever come to anything?

Jim
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Post by: Atso on May 01, 2018, 09:20:45 am
None of this is really my period, but you've done some lovely work. As a matter of interest, did your Sir Sam Fay ever come to anything?

Hi Jim,

Thank you for your kind words. The L1 is out of period for me too but, despite not being a fan of Edward Thompson's work, I've found that it has grown on me as I've progressed with designing it.

Sir Sam has been put on the back burner but I do hope to finish it this year. The reasons for the delay are:

- The other party who wanted one change scales.
- I've had other projects/commissions come in that had to take priority.
- Somebody dropped the proof of concept model onto a hard floor. The body was a complete write-off and the custom modified chassis is back with its creator in Holland undergoing repairs - hopefully I'll get that back in September when they're next in the UK.

As I said, I do aim to finish it this year. The club layout I've become involved with may do a days backdating at an exhibition next year and Sir Sam would be completely appropriate for this.
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Post by: Atso on May 07, 2018, 04:13:08 pm
Test build of the MK2 V1 body is underway and is on the 3D Printing part of the forum. However, as this is now on my workbench, I thought I'd post a picture here as well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-070518160558.jpeg)

I've already got a couple of things to modify before the production print becomes available.
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Post by: Atso on May 10, 2018, 10:41:58 am
The V1 has been shown across both this and my 3D printing thread. However, as all the remaining work on the body involves painting, I think it is best that I cover that in this thread.

So where am I with the body? I painted the bufferbeams and body a couple of days ago using Tamiya acrylic paints. I like to paint the bufferbeams first and then mask up and the spray the other colour(s). I find this easier than having to paint another light base coat over black and then having to brush paint the bufferbeams later. I left this for roughly 24 hours (me being impatient, more like 18!) and then sprayed the model with gloss enamel varnish. I do this as I find lining with enamel paints easier and the enamel varnish coat provides a more durable surface for the pen as well as giving a barrier layer when I'm using white spirit (to just moisten a brush)  to clean up my lining mistake! Despite the quick turnaround from acrylic to enamel paints, I have had no adverse reactions.

This morning I broke out my bow pen (first time this year) and had a go at lining the bufferbeams.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-100518101551.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-100518101622.jpeg)

Considering I'm out of practice, I'm quite happy with these and didn't have much cleaning up to do (but I did make a couple of mistakes!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-100518101659.jpeg)

In case anyone is interested, above is my usual ruling pen. It was made by a company called Kern who unfortunately ceased trading quite a few years ago. However, these turn up quite frequently on ebay (search 'ruling pens') which is where this one came from. The paint splodge is from where I cleaned the pen. I mixed 14 drops of gloss black into a new tinlet of Humbrol gloss white to tone things down a little; could you tell that the lining wasn't white before I mentioned this? I was given this tip by a professional painted as it helps to give the 'scale look' to a model - having seen the quality of his work, who I am to argue!  :D
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2018, 11:03:03 am
I know I have shaky hands but, that apart, I am still gobsmacked by the skill of you and several other forum members who have the ability to produce work to such a high standard.
I salute you all. :admiration:
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Post by: Atso on May 10, 2018, 11:35:01 am
Thanks Mick,

I have some nerve damage in my left forearm and hand (I'm left handed) from my days as a competitive free skater (figure skating, the type on your own where you throw yourself into the air and try and rotate multiple times without killing yourself!). This does create the occasional shake (and I can't feel much in two of my fingers anymore!) so I find that using something to rest my wrists on while doing this kind of work invaluable as it restricts unwanted movement quite nicely. The other thing is the wonderful ability to be able to manipulate or remove enamel paint from a gloss surface using a fine brush moistened (literally only just dampened) with white spirit (again, I do this while resting my wrists). A combination of these factors makes it relatively easy to clean up mistakes (of which I make quite a few!).

Regarding ability, it's just a lot of practice - you haven't seen the ten years plus of mistakes to get to this point!  :-[
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Post by: Atso on May 11, 2018, 10:37:10 am
I've started on the red lining on one side last night.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-110518103237.jpeg)

I also knocked up the pickups for the rear pony truck and played around with these until I was getting good contact with the wheels while allowing them to still turn.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/213-110518103002.jpeg)

The pony is printed in Strong White and Flexible (about the only thing I use this material for) and has had the holes opened to clearance using a drill in a pin chuck. The rear overhang for the coupling pocket is slightly too long and so will need trimming back by about 1mm to clear the bottom of the rear buffer beam.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: AJP on May 20, 2018, 08:32:55 pm
Hi Steve, going back to the county, will you be thinking of a tender (not much around commercially) for it also?
The L1 looks very nice also

Regards Tony
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on May 28, 2018, 11:54:53 am
Hi Steve, going back to the county, will you be thinking of a tender (not much around commercially) for it also?
The L1 looks very nice also

Regards Tony

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the kind words. The County will have a tender designed for it as well. In fact the basic outline was the first thing that I designed to prove that the concept of using the Farish tender drive was feasible. I'll get around to finishing tweaking it and adding the details once I'm done with the loco body. :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 06, 2018, 06:01:06 pm
I've got a little further with the V1 build, it now has it's identity.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-060618174344.jpeg)

No. 2911 was briefly allocated to Kings Cross shed for seven weeks in 1931. Since taking the picture, I've moved the numbers around as I wasn't happy with their placement. The red paper to the left is clear decal paper that I've sprayed with the same colour as I did the lining. Once it has dried I'll use my bow pen to draw in a black line and carefully cut the paper to leave a thin red line either side of it. This will form the boiler bands for 2911. I've not attempted this before but have seen it used to good effect on some very nice 2mm finescale scratch builds.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 11, 2018, 03:19:58 pm
Some progress on the V1 test build/paint. Having seen Tim Watson's magnificent 2mm scale P2 build, I thought I would try his technique for making the boiler bands. This comprises spraying a piece of clear decal paper (Microscale in this case) the colour of the outer lines and, once fully dry, ruling on the center colour using a bow pen. Once this has hardened, the decal is trimmed to size using a razor blade and applied to the model. Keeping the outer lines a consistent width is a bit of skill but I'm happy with me first attempt at using this technique.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-110618151355.jpeg)

It occurs to me that this could also be adapted for use as cab and tender lining and, although the corners would still need to be carefully brush painted, it would be easier than trying to line three different lines using a bow pen!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on June 11, 2018, 06:49:16 pm
Some progress on the V1 test build/paint.

I look forward to seeing these on Shapeways - I'll definitely be in for two!

Was this FUD, or FXD (or whatever the current naming of those now is)?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 11, 2018, 06:51:25 pm
Some progress on the V1 test build/paint.

I look forward to seeing these on Shapeways - I'll definitely be in for two!

Was this FUD, or FXD (or whatever the current naming of those now is)?

Cheers,
Alan

Thank Alan,

This was done in FXD (why do Shapeways have to rename everything!).
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 11, 2018, 07:34:52 pm
I've started adding some of the final detailing from Nbrass and the 2mm Association.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-110618193322.jpeg)

I do enjoy how these small bits and pieces really bring a model to life. :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on June 11, 2018, 07:39:33 pm
What an absolutely fantastic-looking locomotive!

Congratulations.

John
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 11, 2018, 08:41:27 pm
What an absolutely fantastic-looking locomotive!

Congratulations.

John

Thanks John,

There is still plenty to do before it is finished though...  :D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Portpatrick on June 11, 2018, 08:55:37 pm
I know I have shaky hands but, that apart, I am still gobsmacked by the skill of you and several other forum members who have the ability to produce work to such a high standard.
I salute you all. :admiration:

I sympathise.  I first showed symptoms of what is now known as Essential Tremor when I was 10.  55 years on it gets progressively worse and hefty medication is not really reducing it to any useful extent, and I get ever more limited in what I can tackle.  DBS is currently the only real surgical option on the NHS but that carries some risks and costs c 90k.  Focused Ultrasound treatment has not yet been passed for general use.  So I am not optimistic that I can persuade my neurologist to put me forward for it
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 12, 2018, 03:49:21 pm
A bit more on 2911. The buffer beam decals have been added, the brass work picked out and some vacuum pipes made up and painted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-120618154514.jpeg)

The vacuum pipes are bits of guitar wire and a handrail knob each. Once dry, they'll be glued to the model and final touch ups will take place before matt varnishing the model.

I've still got to plot out and cut out a cab floor. This is necessary as I'll be adding a strip of shim brass to the rear pony to help with it's tracking and the floor is needed to provide something for it to bear on. I suppose I should sort out a crew at the same time!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2018, 04:11:12 pm
Smashing job, Steve. It'll look wonderful when matt varnished.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 13, 2018, 07:01:42 pm
Thanks Mick,

I added the vacuum pipes today and did a bit of a touch up on the lining where it's been handled quite a bit without a protective coat of varnish. I also found a crew for the loco. These were some very cheap generic figures I obtained (along with another 298!) from China several years ago and have never used (they're not the best quality).

I sprayed them with primer and then roughly painted them with some Vallejo acrylic paints I had lying about.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-130618185633.jpeg)

The crew aren't posing for the photographer, they'd love to get inside the cab but there isn't a floor at the moment!  :o
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on June 14, 2018, 05:43:03 pm
Steve,

That lovely locomotive deserves a crew from Modelu.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: joe cassidy on June 14, 2018, 08:26:36 pm
Good idea Roy.

Steve, you could do that by inviting us on this forum to volunteer as candidates to be scanned.

This could be in the form of an auction.

The highest bidders would be scanned.

The proceeds would be donated to a charity of your choice.

The images of the volunteers would of course be published here so we can all have a laugh at their expense.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on June 14, 2018, 09:06:02 pm
Joe,

Great idea.

If you look at my profile picture, you'd maybe think I have a claim on the scan, but I'm not really footplate crew!

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: joe cassidy on June 14, 2018, 10:18:13 pm
Don't forget the guard in the brake van.

More ballast =better braking ?
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 15, 2018, 07:47:51 pm
Thanks guys but I think I'll leave the Modelu figures for something with a nice open cab, where they can be seen!  :D

2911 has moved on a bit where it can be used as a photo of a built model for the Shapeways shop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-150618194518.jpeg)

There is a crew in there. Really!

Next week is finishing altering the CAD to take into account the issues found during the build...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 15, 2018, 08:42:53 pm
Looks great, Steve. Really nice job :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on June 15, 2018, 09:39:55 pm
Looks great, Steve. Really nice job :thumbsup:

Seconded!  Very nice; very nice indeed.
 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on June 16, 2018, 09:22:18 pm
Thanks guys but I think I'll leave the Modelu figures for something with a nice open cab, where they can be seen!  :D

2911 has moved on a bit where it can be used as a photo of a built model for the Shapeways shop.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-150618194518.jpeg[/url])

There is a crew in there. Really!

Next week is finishing altering the CAD to take into account the issues found during the build...


I just got back from Cornwall and all I can say is WOW, not about Cornwall but WOW about the loco, now DO SOME LMS STUFF
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on June 16, 2018, 10:42:29 pm
Thanks guys but I think I'll leave the Modelu figures for something with a nice open cab, where they can be seen!  :D

2911 has moved on a bit where it can be used as a photo of a built model for the Shapeways shop.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-150618194518.jpeg[/url])

There is a crew in there. Really!

Next week is finishing altering the CAD to take into account the issues found during the build...


I just got back from Cornwall and all I can say is WOW, not about Cornwall but WOW about the loco, now DO SOME LMS STUFF



Seen this loco in the flesh today, excellent though it looks in the photos, they really don't do it justice!


Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 17, 2018, 06:53:35 am
Thank you for your kind comments guys.

Paul, you know I've got an LMS loco in development. It'll get there!  ;)

Roy, thanks so much for your praise of this loco both in person and on here. Your comments about my 'erroneous' choice of livery has been noted and I hope that my choice of livery for the V3 build will be more to your liking!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Bealman on June 17, 2018, 07:07:07 am
Beautiful work. Triple  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: daveg on June 17, 2018, 07:44:55 am
Really very nice work.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 17, 2018, 05:43:00 pm
Thank you so much for all your kind comments. Some more cruel close ups of the loco.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618173620.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618174000.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618173824.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618173852.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618173650.jpeg)

...and finally with the flash on to prove that there is a crew in there!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/213-170618173536.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 20, 2018, 04:39:29 pm
Both the V1 and V3 bodies (and trailing truck) are now available via Shapeways.

V1: https://www.shapeways.com/product/7GRUE3VYA/lner-br-v1?optionId=65921818&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/7GRUE3VYA/lner-br-v1?optionId=65921818&li=marketplace)

V3: https://www.shapeways.com/product/SNURYF65D/lner-br-v3?optionId=65921096 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/SNURYF65D/lner-br-v3?optionId=65921096)

Trailing trucks: https://www.shapeways.com/product/A53TU2WSC/v1-v3-trailing-trucks?optionId=65921012 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/A53TU2WSC/v1-v3-trailing-trucks?optionId=65921012)

Both the V1 and V3 are available in Shapeways' 'Smooth Fine Detail' (formerly FUD) and 'Smooth Finest Detail' (Formerly FXD) plastics.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Portpatrick on June 22, 2018, 02:26:09 pm
I know I have shaky hands but, that apart, I am still gobsmacked by the skill of you and several other forum members who have the ability to produce work to such a high standard.
I salute you all. :admiration:

I sympathise.  I first showed symptoms of what is now known as Essential Tremor when I was 10.  55 years on it gets progressively worse and hefty medication is not really reducing it to any useful extent, and I get ever more limited in what I can tackle.  DBS is currently the only real surgical option on the NHS but that carries some risks and costs c 90k.  Focused Ultrasound treatment has not yet been passed for general use.  So I am not optimistic that I can persuade my neurologist to put me forward for it

Interestingly NICE has now approved Focused Ultrasound as a surgical treatment for Essential Tremor..   At present, according to a leading UK neurologist I was listening to last Saturday, they only do one side (for me that would be left side of brain to correct the right hand).   That might change but it is still a life changing start.  And the cost is only 10 to 12k with far less on costs for follow up and ongoing review and adjustment than DBS, and far less risk of associated damage to the brain.  Hopefully the vastly reduced cost will encourage those who agree funding to support treatment to more sufferers.  I must begin to nag my own neurologist in that direction.  Even gluing people on the platform has been getting difficult, except for the occaisional old fashioned ones with a large round baseplate!  The less said about soldering, painting etc the better
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Caz on June 22, 2018, 08:05:31 pm
Every modellers nightmare, hang in there and let's hope the treatment gives you a little more control.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on June 30, 2018, 06:07:50 pm
Fingers crossed that the treatment works.

I've been playing around with test printing the revised/updated L1 body.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/213-300618142121.jpeg)

This has been done on my B9 Creator. Usually, I don't like printing tank engines as, due to the way the printer works, I have to accept a loss of detail on the surfaces that are supported (i.e. the back of the bunker and rear spectacle plate). The loss of detail is complete and is usually accompanied by some serious warping which makes the print unusable as a model.

The solution is obvious, print the loco body in several pieces. However, whenever I've tried to do that in the past, keeping the mating surfaces of a sufficient quality where they are supported has proven impossible as well. It was a conversion with Alan Butler of Modelu that changed this. Alan uses the next version up from my printer and showed me some prints (locomotive parts) that he done with the mating surfaces printed straight off the printers build plate. Now, in theory, this shouldn't be possible but I thought I'd give it a go on my earlier machine.

It works but I've had to do some serious playing around with the printer to get the resin vat, build plate and Z axis lead screw all parallel with each other - I'm not quite there yet but getting close! You can see when I'd made the join at the front of the tanks but only because of the chip in the footplate valance! Unfortunately, to print commercially from my machine would not be cost effective at c. 15 hours print time (and another six hours for post curing) for one L1 but it makes the development side of things a bit easier.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: CarriageShed on July 04, 2018, 12:41:23 pm
The solution is obvious, print the loco body in several pieces....

No idea if this is a reasonable alternative for 3D printing, but what about a plain, recessed rear panel to keep the body structure sound and solid, and then an overlay with the rear detailing on it that is glued in place by the customer? If that's a viable idea then it combines the option of printing in several pieces to retain full detailing, but still leaves you with a strong body.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 04, 2018, 04:02:32 pm
No idea if this is a reasonable alternative for 3D printing, but what about a plain, recessed rear panel to keep the body structure sound and solid, and then an overlay with the rear detailing on it that is glued in place by the customer? If that's a viable idea then it combines the option of printing in several pieces to retain full detailing, but still leaves you with a strong body.

Feel free to shoot me down in flames :)

Hi CarriageShed,

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, this would be practical due to the time taken to print on my machine - at 15 hours per L1, how do I value the machine's time to make it viable? The second issue is that the resin I use only really sticks to itself (and Araldite but not as well) which would make things difficult to glue together.

The L1 is destine to go on Shapeways but I have been experimenting with resin casting as well.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 06, 2018, 12:04:37 pm
Hi all,

I've been considering what to do for the chassis for my A5 for some time now. Back in my earlier days modelling in N gauge I built up a collection of old Farish chassis (Poole and early Bachmann), coupling rods, etc. Unfortunately none of these provide the correct 6'6 by 6'6 wheelbase that the A5 requires.

Therefore, I've printed up a jig for the wheelbase (this really could've been made out of some plastic) and set about cutting two 2.5mm sections out of one of the old blocks using a piercing saw (the A3/A4 type I think). I then put some Araldite onto the joints and placed everything in the jig for about an hour before taking it off an placing it on the flattest surface I could find. This is the result so far:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/213-060718115736.jpeg)

Next up will be to do the same with some old coupling rods (soldered rather than epoxied!) for which I'll print up another jig (or drill some holes into a piece of wood and use 1.5mm rod to get the alignments). I'm looking to use some newer 4MT wheels I've got along with a 0.2MOD worm and wheel (40 tooth) along with a Lawton 8mm motor. Heaven knows if all this will work but it's not really costing anything to have a go.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on July 06, 2018, 09:12:50 pm
A bit of progress on the A5 chassis. I've added a couple of strips of 0.25mm nickel silver to the sides to add some additional strength to the glued joints. I've also had a go at cutting some coupling rods to length.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/213-060718210747.jpeg)

Amazingly, this Heath Robinson contraption works and rolls very freely!  :o :o :o The nickel silver sides will be trimmed once the epoxy has had a chance to hardened properly.

I have hit one minor snag though. The gear I was planning to use has turned out to be a 45 tooth 0.2MOD not a 40 tooth. This means that the outside diameter of the gear is 9.4mm while the slot in the chassis is only 8.75mm! I'll be having a go with the dremel once all the epoxy holding things together has hardened.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: JohnBS on July 09, 2018, 12:27:05 pm
Steve,
You're having fun with the old Farish chassis!
I've tried something broadly similar :
   First set out the new wheel centre(s)
   Then file a large groove in the underside of the blocks sufficient to take a  length of 1.5mm bore brass tube.
   File down the tube until you reach the bore
   Then Araldite in place, using 1.5mm rods and a sheet of glass to check alignment
For reinforcement and for cosmetic reasons, I add shims of 10 thou nickel-silver to each side, shaped to represent the springing and hangers (only worth it if you have open-spoked wheels)
If you are using the ordinary Araldite (slow cure) and metal to metal, then a spell in the oven will speed up hardening.
It is generally no problem to grind/file out the worm gear slot - I have had to do this frequently to fit Ultrascale gears.
Hope that this helps.
Best wishes,
John
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on August 27, 2018, 10:50:45 pm
Any update for the County Steve?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 28, 2018, 08:33:58 am
Any update for the County Steve?

Unfortunately, I was sidelined for much of July and part of this month with illness Alex. I'm just getting back into the swing of things now and plan to get some more done on the County this week.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on August 28, 2018, 05:58:06 pm
Very sorry to hear that Steve, I hope you are feeling better now. I had my own free trip to hospital in January, and it was a bit of a surprise as I thought I I was fine, but blood clots in my lungs that made me pass out taught me otherwise.

All the best,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 28, 2018, 07:18:03 pm
Very sorry to hear that Steve, I hope you are feeling better now. I had my own free trip to hospital in January, and it was a bit of a surprise as I thought I I was fine, but blood clots in my lungs that made me pass out taught me otherwise.

I'm feeling much better thanks but still suffering a little with fatigue coupled with insomnia (a fun combination!). Blood clots on your lungs!? That sounds very nasty and dangerous and I hope that you've made a full recovery now.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 29, 2018, 02:43:25 pm
Just for Alex, one GWR County tender body...  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-290818144102.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-290818144143.jpeg)

Now I need to sort out the mounting points and hope that I've gotten all my measurements of the donor tender drive correct!  :o
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on August 29, 2018, 08:03:28 pm
Looks extremely good Steve, where does the speaker fit??

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on August 29, 2018, 09:34:52 pm
I like it!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on August 30, 2018, 11:52:39 am
Looks extremely good Steve, where does the speaker fit??

They fit into a nice little area either side of my computer screen... Oh! You mean in the model? I don't know, you'll have to speak to Farish about that!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 03, 2018, 12:49:29 pm
While I'm waiting for things to print and paint to dry on some commissions, I've turned my attention briefly to some long term conversion projects.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-030918124547.jpeg)

Four Dapol A3s that are in the process of being re-numbered/named and modified. These have been on the go on and off for a year now and are a useful set of filler projects in between other bits and pieces. From left to right there are:

A1 'Sceptre' c. 1933: Started life as a BR example that was gifted to me as it was a non-runner. I had a spare apple green boiler, cab and driving wheels which I substituted for the BR ones and repainted and lined the splashers. The smokebox has had the superheater covers carefully sanded off and the pipework and reversing gear as been transplanted to the right hand side of the boiler to give a reasonable approximation of an A1. Strictly speaking the cab should have the earlier large cutouts but I decided this was a step too far. The Westinghouse pump is a spare from a Dapol Terrier mounted on a simple 'L' shaped bracket that I made out of 0.5mm plastic. The lining on the pump was made using some decal paper, sprayed with Precision gloss Doncaster Green and a thin white line was ruled onto the decal using a bow pen - I'll be adding the associated pipework at some point!

A3 'Harvester' c. 1933: Many of the same modifications as per Sceptre but, as this one is an A3, it retains the superheater covers on the smokebox. This loco was purchased as a returned LNER green item from the Dapol open day.

A1 'Great Northern' c. 1938: A birthday present from my better half in June (the newest of these projects!) which was obtained as an absolute bargain on Ebay. So far I've renumbered it but not yet carried out the modifications to make in an A1. One this locomotive, removing the tender letters (I don't like Dapol's effort on this model) resulted in a loss of paint and some unsightly black patches. Therefore, I carefully masked up the lining and outer sections and resprayed the center section with Precision gloss Donny green before applying the lettering. Although I've renumber the loco, the nameplate still betrays its origins as 'Papyrus'!

A1 'Isinglass' c. 1935: Another returned item from the Dapol open day and returned to working order (at 35 each, who could refused!). I've still got to reinstate the handrails having sanded off the superheater covers and finish transplanting the various bits to the right hand side of the boiler. It is presently missing its tender as I'm having to repaint a GNR BR liveried spare. I've chosen this particular locomotive as a nod to Andy at Isinglass Models who has been so helpful in supplying me with drawings for my 3D printed projects over the years.

There is still plenty to do on these such has painting in the missing bits from the wheels, correcting the green valances and fitting the various other bits in the detailing packs (where I have them, scratch built where I don't). In the end I'll have another four Gresley Pacifics available for my future layout, each subtly different to the others.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 03, 2018, 07:47:11 pm
While I'm waiting for things to print and paint to dry on some commissions, I've turned my attention briefly to some long term conversion projects.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-030918124547.jpeg[/url])

Four Dapol A3s that are in the process of being re-numbered/named and modified. These have been on the go on and off for a year now and are a useful set of filler projects in between other bits and pieces. From left to right there are:

A1 'Sceptre' c. 1933: Started life as a BR example that was gifted to me as it was a non-runner. I had a spare apple green boiler, cab and driving wheels which I substituted for the BR ones and repainted and lined the splashers. The smokebox has had the superheater covers carefully sanded off and the pipework and reversing gear as been transplanted to the right hand side of the boiler to give a reasonable approximation of an A1. Strictly speaking the cab should have the earlier large cutouts but I decided this was a step too far. The Westinghouse pump is a spare from a Dapol Terrier mounted on a simple 'L' shaped bracket that I made out of 0.5mm plastic. The lining on the pump was made using some decal paper, sprayed with Precision gloss Doncaster Green and a thin white line was ruled onto the decal using a bow pen - I'll be adding the associated pipework at some point!

A3 'Harvester' c. 1933: Many of the same modifications as per Sceptre but, as this one is an A3, it retains the superheater covers on the smokebox. This loco was purchased as a returned LNER green item from the Dapol open day.

A1 'Great Northern' c. 1938: A birthday present from my better half in June (the newest of these projects!) which was obtained as an absolute bargain on Ebay. So far I've renumbered it but not yet carried out the modifications to make in an A1. One this locomotive, removing the tender letters (I don't like Dapol's effort on this model) resulted in a loss of paint and some unsightly black patches. Therefore, I carefully masked up the lining and outer sections and resprayed the center section with Precision gloss Donny green before applying the lettering. Although I've renumber the loco, the nameplate still betrays its origins as 'Papyrus'!

A1 'Isinglass' c. 1935: Another returned item from the Dapol open day and returned to working order (at 35 each, who could refused!). I've still got to reinstate the handrails having sanded off the superheater covers and finish transplanting the various bits to the right hand side of the boiler. It is presently missing its tender as I'm having to repaint a GNR BR liveried spare. I've chosen this particular locomotive as a nod to Andy at Isinglass Models who has been so helpful in supplying me with drawings for my 3D printed projects over the years.

There is still plenty to do on these such has painting in the missing bits from the wheels, correcting the green valances and fitting the various other bits in the detailing packs (where I have them, scratch built where I don't). In the end I'll have another four Gresley Pacifics available for my future layout, each subtly different to the others.


Even though they are the wrong colour and company, its still brilliant work.

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 04, 2018, 10:44:14 am
Even though they are the wrong colour and company, its still brilliant work.

Thanks Mr Price! Are these starting to get you hankering for one of your own to represent a diversion working???  You really need to have at least one 'proper' locomotive! :D :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 04, 2018, 11:09:00 am
Yeah, that Mr Price seems fixated on those red things, he gets all bent out of shape when I mention hacking Peco Jubilees into Lord Nelsons or using their chassis for King Arthurs.  :whistle:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 04, 2018, 11:48:29 am
Yeah, that Mr Price seems fixated on those red things, he gets all bent out of shape when I mention hacking Peco Jubilees into Lord Nelsons or using their chassis for King Arthurs.  :whistle:

I've noticed that too! The thing is that the Jubilee chassis is so adaptable to more useful locomotives. I'll be making my 'Sam Fay' (one day!) using bits and pieces donated from the Farish Jubilee chassis and drive with a little help from N-Stars in Holland; who built me a correct wheelbase tender drive out of the Jubilee unit and a spare Union Mills GCR tender body. It hauled twelve bogie coaches up a 1 in 19 gradient on test in Holland!

https://youtu.be/6quTygHzp9M

I just need time to refine the body and print the final version for finishing. It'll be strictly a personal project, other than a second one being built for N-Stars, and will end up being somewhat more expensive than the donor Jubilee!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 04, 2018, 09:51:33 pm
Even though they are the wrong colour and company, its still brilliant work.

Thanks Mr Price! Are these starting to get you hankering for one of your own to represent a diversion working???  You really need to have at least one 'proper' locomotive! :D :smiley-laughing:

I have three mouldy green locomotives in the fleet, which is more than enough, thankyou  :P
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 04, 2018, 10:41:27 pm
Even though they are the wrong colour and company, its still brilliant work.

Thanks Mr Price! Are these starting to get you hankering for one of your own to represent a diversion working???  You really need to have at least one 'proper' locomotive! :D :smiley-laughing:

I have three mouldy green locomotives in the fleet, which is more than enough, thankyou  :P

If they're mouldy then they've been painted in GWR or BR green. What you need is a big 4-6-2 in lovely apple green!  :D :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 05, 2018, 09:09:18 am
I'm out for most of the day but, not wanting to get too involved with a commission, I spent an hour this morning working on the boiler for Great Northern. Main handrails removed along with the vacuum ejector pipe removed which then had the holes filled and made good. Superheater header covers removed (hence the removal of the main handrails) and carefully sanded back flush with the smoke box. Patch painted with satin black for the smoke box and Precision gloss Donny Green mixed equally with matt varnish and thinned with white spirit to make also a wash to better blend it in with the original paint work.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-050918090815.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 06, 2018, 09:35:49 am
Another hour this morning to reinstate the boiler handrails, I noticed that I'd managed to knock the handrails on the smoke box door off as some point so I did this too. The vacuum ejector pipe has been transplanted over to the right hand side of the boiler and various additional bits of patch painting have been undertaken - you can see the patch painted green in this picture but I'm hopeful that, once matt varnished and lightly weathered, it'll blend in nicely.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-060918093227.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 06, 2018, 07:24:50 pm
After a day wrestling with the CAD for the GWR County 4-6-0, I decided to paint the missing lining on to the tender and Cartazzi truck for Great Northern using a bow pen. The front bogie wheels have had a wash of white paint put into their centers. Once dry, I'll carefully paint in a black dot.

I've also painted out the incorrect green on the loco's valance and had to respray inside the tender lining as I'd accidentally removed the paint when I removed the original, too large, lettering. The two pence piece is to give an idea of the scale of the Dapol A3 donor (still retaining its original 'Papyrus' nameplates!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-060918192425.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 09, 2018, 06:55:55 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-090918185252.jpeg)

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: w greatbatch on September 09, 2018, 07:00:24 pm
Oh my,that's looking very promising :drool:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 09, 2018, 07:13:11 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-090918185252.jpeg[/url])

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.


Its looking very very good, even if its another GREEN locomotive :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: RailGooner on September 09, 2018, 07:14:55 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-090918185252.jpeg[/url])

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.


 :drool: Well if all prints came out that clean I'd use a heck of a lot more.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 09, 2018, 08:01:15 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.


Having seen the print in the flesh yesterday, good though the picture is, it really doesn't do the print justice. The level of detail, rivets etc is incredible. I said yesterday, such is the quality of the print straight off the machine, there are plenty who wouldn't bother cleaning it up, it really is good enough just as it is.

It is nice to see it all coming together on the donor chassis and I know from what Steve has produced to date it will be of an exceptional standard when finished.

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on September 09, 2018, 10:17:51 pm
That's looking positively great, Steve :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Train Waiting on September 09, 2018, 10:35:09 pm
That's looking positively great, Steve :goggleeyes:

Seconded!

John
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2018, 08:23:31 am
Thank you everyone. This one has been a bit of a watsit as all the drawings I have contain incorrect details and I've had to do a lot of working out and plotting positions and sizes from photographs (which thankfully, I have plenty of). That's not to say that isn't what I usually do but I'm usually blessed with having accurate (and verifiable) dimensions marked.

Railgooner, The print was done on my B9Creator which isn't without its own issues. The final prototype prints will probably be produced by Shapeways as, while there is a little more cleaning up, I can include more detail on the rear face of the model as FXD (or whatever its now called!) doesn't use a support system that is physically attached to the model in the same material.

Roy, thanks for the faith you continue to show in my efforts. I'm not sure any of my models are really exceptional but I'll do my best with this one.

Paul, it is green but this is what I would call a moldy green!  :smiley-laughing:

I hope to get this done as a cast kit which will remove the need to clean up 3D prints. However, this will take time to develop and I'll need to sort out brass casting for some parts as they'll be quite fragile in any other material.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: paulprice on September 10, 2018, 05:37:25 pm
Steve - as ever another BRILLIANT model, you truly underestimate your work :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2018, 07:26:38 pm
Steve - as ever another BRILLIANT model, you truly underestimate your work :)


Thank you Paul, it is kind of you to say so. For ever model that makes it off the bench, I think that there are always one or two more that didn't quite make it and need a rethink before they see fruition (if they ever do!).

Speaking of which, those with good memories may remember a few months/pages back I obtained a NQP Dapol Britannia and a NQP Dapol Grange in the hope that I might be able to combine the Britannia's wheels and the Grange's chassis to create the basis for an LNER C1 Atlantic. Unfortunately, Dapol didn't use the same size gear wheel for the driven axles of these two locos and also redesigned the axle so that they could not be swapped without modification (and risk of damaging the axles). Therefore the project was once again shelved.

Fast forward to June and I was lucky enough to arrange a swap of some locomotive bodies for chassis units with a 2mm fine scale modeller. Within that little lot was the remains of a Dapol Hall chassis. This went unnoticed due to various events that lead to another bout of depression and some other health issues.

Fast forward again to today. I spent quite a bit of time today measuring the Black Five chassis and transferring it into CAD to get the fixing points correct for the County. Yes, you would think that would have been the first thing I would have done but, when I started the project, I wasn't in the best frame of mind and this didn't occur to me for some reason - I almost got away with just measuring and transferring directly to the loco body too!

Anyway, after several hours of doing this, I'd just about lost the will to live and needed to do something else. While searching for that something else, I came across the remains of the Hall and the Britannia. Anyway, long story short, the Hall and the Britannia both use the same size of axle gear and therefore are compatible! I'll need to shim one or two of the gears in the gear chain to stop them disengaging but this is easy to do. Having proven that I could fit the Brit wheels, I found a very old C1 body that I designed awhile back - it also has several mistakes that I'd like to correct but is accurate in the major dimensions. Anyway, bluetacked onto the the chassis with a spare Farish bogie temporarily standing in, the C1 concept...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-100918190908.jpeg)

The Brit wheels are slightly too small for a C1 (but bigger than the Hall's wheels) and the Hall chassis is a scale two inches too long in the coupled wheelbase but I think it is close enough - due to how close together the coupled wheels are, I couldn't fit anything bigger anyway! The loco body will need to be completely redesigned to both correct mistakes and make it easier to fit properly on the Hall/Brit chassis. As I've got plenty of other things that I need to get through, I doubt this will progress for a few more months but I'm very happy that there maybe a way of making a close to scale C1 after all!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: joe cassidy on September 10, 2018, 09:21:04 pm
Steve, to do all that you must be the most patient man in the whole wide world.

Bravo


Joe
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 10, 2018, 10:52:16 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-090918185252.jpeg[/url])

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.

I have just caught up with your progress on the County - looking good, are you still working on the chimney?

All the best,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 10, 2018, 10:55:14 pm
I test printed the current GWR County loco body and decided to quickly spray it up using Tayima paints (hence the wrong shade of green) as it was coming with me to TINGS yesterday.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-090918185252.jpeg[/url])

Please note that, other than removing the printing supports, no cleaning up or rubbing down of this print had taken place - hence the strange pattern on the boiler. However, I hope that you can see some of the detail that's been incorporated into the CAD.

I have just caught up with your progress on the County - looking good, are you still working on the chimney?

All the best,

Alex


Hi Alex

I saw the County at TINGS, the angle of this photo doesn't do it justice, I would say the chimney is spot on.


Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 10, 2018, 11:03:24 pm
Roy, the chimney appears to be correct for County of Middlesex, but it was the only one of the class to have that type of Double chimney. all the others had a more squat double chimney fitted, so while I was at Didcot I took a number of photographs of an original one destined to be put on the new build County and sent them to Steve. here are a few below:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/1193-100918231852.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/1193-100918232108.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/1193-100918232449.jpeg)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2018, 11:29:44 pm
The chimney is scaled as best I can from the photos Alex (thanks again for those) and is shorter than the drawings for the one fitted to the prototype. The one on the test print wouldn't be as high as the safety valve cover (if it had been fitted) and is about level (actually a smidge lower) with the cab roof.

I'll have another look at it though in a couple of days.

Edit: If anything, I think the elliptical shape of the chimney (from the top) may be too curved. Also, the lip might be a little high which (I'm talking about 0.25-0.35mm here) and might look better a little lower. I'll have a look again but I want to finish CADing the Farish donor chassis first and I'm out all Wednesday...
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 10, 2018, 11:31:52 pm
Steve, to do all that you must be the most patient man in the whole wide world.

Bravo


Joe

Thank you Joe. I'm really not all that patient really - I just learnt that being impatient usually leads to me having to do things more than once and therefore taking longer than if I had been patient!
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 10, 2018, 11:57:47 pm
I would be willing to bet that you make a lot less mistakes than me!

All the best,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: RailGooner on September 11, 2018, 12:04:10 am
..
 I just learnt that being impatient usually leads to me having to do things more than once and therefore taking longer than if I had been patient!

A lesson I learnt the hard way. Trouble is, occasionally my head is so focused on getting the job done :doh: that I forget what I've learnt. :dunce: :D
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 11, 2018, 12:04:23 am
I would be willing to bet that you make a lot less mistakes than me!

All the best,

Alex

I make plenty of mistakes Alex but I try hard not to post too many of them!   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 11, 2018, 10:37:46 am
I recall one of my grandfather's sayings, - "the man who never made a mistake,never made anything"
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 12, 2018, 12:07:32 pm
Steve - as ever another BRILLIANT model, you truly underestimate your work :)


Thank you Paul, it is kind of you to say so. For ever model that makes it off the bench, I think that there are always one or two more that didn't quite make it and need a rethink before they see fruition (if they ever do!).

Speaking of which, those with good memories may remember a few months/pages back I obtained a NQP Dapol Britannia and a NQP Dapol Grange in the hope that I might be able to combine the Britannia's wheels and the Grange's chassis to create the basis for an LNER C1 Atlantic. Unfortunately, Dapol didn't use the same size gear wheel for the driven axles of these two locos and also redesigned the axle so that they could not be swapped without modification (and risk of damaging the axles). Therefore the project was once again shelved.

Fast forward to June and I was lucky enough to arrange a swap of some locomotive bodies for chassis units with a 2mm fine scale modeller. Within that little lot was the remains of a Dapol Hall chassis. This went unnoticed due to various events that lead to another bout of depression and some other health issues.

Fast forward again to today. I spent quite a bit of time today measuring the Black Five chassis and transferring it into CAD to get the fixing points correct for the County. Yes, you would think that would have been the first thing I would have done but, when I started the project, I wasn't in the best frame of mind and this didn't occur to me for some reason - I almost got away with just measuring and transferring directly to the loco body too!

Anyway, after several hours of doing this, I'd just about lost the will to live and needed to do something else. While searching for that something else, I came across the remains of the Hall and the Britannia. Anyway, long story short, the Hall and the Britannia both use the same size of axle gear and therefore are compatible! I'll need to shim one or two of the gears in the gear chain to stop them disengaging but this is easy to do. Having proven that I could fit the Brit wheels, I found a very old C1 body that I designed awhile back - it also has several mistakes that I'd like to correct but is accurate in the major dimensions. Anyway, bluetacked onto the the chassis with a spare Farish bogie temporarily standing in, the C1 concept...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/213-100918190908.jpeg[/url])

The Brit wheels are slightly too small for a C1 (but bigger than the Hall's wheels) and the Hall chassis is a scale two inches too long in the coupled wheelbase but I think it is close enough - due to how close together the coupled wheels are, I couldn't fit anything bigger anyway! The loco body will need to be completely redesigned to both correct mistakes and make it easier to fit properly on the Hall/Brit chassis. As I've got plenty of other things that I need to get through, I doubt this will progress for a few more months but I'm very happy that there maybe a way of making a close to scale C1 after all!


What a lovely model that Atlantic.

Imagine it in weathered BR Mixed Traffic lined black!

Heresy?

"Keep on keeping on" to quote the accomplished Mr Clapton.

Regards,

Roy


Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 12, 2018, 10:03:38 pm
Not heresy at all Roy and I think it would've suited the class very well. Unfortunately no member of the class received mix traffic black before withdrawal. The closest was the last survivor in revenue earning service which got buffed up and temporarily paired with a tender from a K2 (which was lined but the loco wasn't sadly) for its final few runs - the tenders were swapped back upon the C1s withdrawal. Therefore the closest to seeing a fully lined BR black C1 would have to be the H1 and H2 classes on the Southern region.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 12, 2018, 10:16:19 pm
And those Southern Atlantics were very attractive too.

Oh for a Z/C7 !

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 12, 2018, 10:26:27 pm
And those Southern Atlantics were very attractive too.

Oh for a Z/C7 !

Regards,

Roy

The Southern Atlantics should have been attractive, they were built largely to GNR drawings so would have automatically gained a touch of class!  :smiley-laughing:

The C7 is also an attractive loco but, with the difficult (nightmarish to model and get to fit!) relationship between the cylinders, slide bars and valances, I won't be trying to tackle one as a 3D print I'm afraid.  :(
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 13, 2018, 09:34:48 pm
No, I understand the difficulty.

Atlantics are just such elegant beasts.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 18, 2018, 01:04:18 pm
After a great start to last week, a few bits happened and I started feeling a bit low again so work on the County stopped for a little while and I did some other bits to get my mojo back. Anyway, today I did a virtual assembly of the model on the Black Five chassis (roughly drawn) and made a few amendments to the tender where the fit was going to be an issue.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-180918124356.jpeg)

I'm going to have to beef up the vacuum ejector pipe on the boiler side slightly so that it'll print properly with the handrail holes in it. Also, I've not yet looked at the chimney again as requested by Hailstone but I will be.  :)

Going back to the chassis I was hacking around a little while ago for the A5, I decided to wire it up and fit a motor. The gears are MOD0.2 (opposed to Farish's and Dapol's more usual MOD0.3), this has allowed me to fit a 40 tooth gear that I happened to have to the driven axle giving a nice reduction without having to resort to fitting a compound gear to get the reduction down. Considering its Heath Robinson construction, it runs surprisingly well with a spare Dapol B1 boiler mounted on top to provide some weight - video below.

Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 18, 2018, 01:13:43 pm
After a great start to last week, a few bits happened and I started feeling a bit low again so work on the County stopped for a little while and I did some other bits to get my mojo back. Anyway, today I did a virtual assembly of the model on the Black Five chassis (roughly drawn) and made a few amendments to the tender where the fit was going to be an issue.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-180918124356.jpeg[/url])

I'm going to have to beef up the vacuum ejector pipe on the boiler side slightly so that it'll print properly with the handrail holes in it. Also, I've not yet looked at the chimney again as requested by Hailstone but I will be.  :)

Going back to the chassis I was hacking around a little while ago for the A5, I decided to wire it up and fit a motor. The gears are MOD0.2 (opposed to Farish's and Dapol's more usual MOD0.3), this has allowed me to fit a 40 tooth gear that I happened to have to the driven axle giving a nice reduction without having to resort to fitting a compound gear to get the reduction down. Considering its Heath Robinson construction, it runs surprisingly well with a spare Dapol B1 boiler mounted on top to provide some weight - video below.





Hi Steve


Great work on the County, I reckon it must be getting close to another test print fairly soon?


As to the video, it looks an interesting prototype, I'm sure I saw one just like it at Quainton on Sunday!!! It runs like the proverbial Swiss watch, absolutely amazing work..


Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 18, 2018, 01:19:42 pm
Hi Steve


Great work on the County, I reckon it must be getting close to another test print fairly soon?


As to the video, it looks an interesting prototype, I'm sure I saw one just like it at Quainton on Sunday!!! It runs like the proverbial Swiss watch, absolutely amazing work..

Thanks Roy,

I'm hoping that I'll be able to finish the County and get it sent to Shapeways for a proper proving model soon! It'll certainly be good to get the CAD work on this one out of the way as it's not been the easiest thing to design.

I'm really please with how the A5 chassis hack is turning out. I've got to do some trimming of the chassis block to get the ride height of the body correct and then figure out how I'm going to hang the bogie and pony onto it (fitting additional pickups to at least on of these). It's certainly a long term project that'll be fitted in every now and then around other bits.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: carlwooduk on September 18, 2018, 10:00:31 pm
Steve, your tenacity to get the best possible body for the county continues to amaze me, i was happy with the first print so with another set of tweaks it must be tantalisingly close to sign off. It will be light years ahead of the venerable white metal kits from the 80s. I am so looking forward to seeing the final iteration. Carl
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 19, 2018, 12:13:11 am
Steve, your tenacity to get the best possible body for the county continues to amaze me, i was happy with the first print so with another set of tweaks it must be tantalisingly close to sign off. It will be light years ahead of the venerable white metal kits from the 80s. I am so looking forward to seeing the final iteration. Carl

As am I, as soon as you are happy with it, I will be after one

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 19, 2018, 11:31:38 am
Thanks Carl and Alex,

I do like to try and get as much as possible done to my satisfaction as possible before I sign something off for printing. However, errors do creep in from time to time that need to be corrected at the earliest possible time - sometimes some silly ones as illustrated below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-190918094623.jpeg)

Above is the Shapeways printed body for the A5/2 4-6-2 tank engine (the chassis for which is in the video above). Now there is nothing wrong with the body and it is accurate to the (very detailed and fully dimensioned) Isinglass drawings I purchased. The mistake is that for my own chosen loco '5007' it is from the wrong production batch and has several differences most notably a completely different set of cab spectacles and roof profile! I'll redo the A5 CAD at some point but I need to save up and get the correct drawings first - I'm kicking myself for this one as it should have been obvious right from the start!  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry:

Proof that mistakes can occasionally happen and it pays to check, check and check again to try and ensure as much is right as possible before committing to a 'production print'. Luckily, for the County, I've had several knowledgeable people look over the work (thanks to both Carl and Alex as well as others), who have also provided many photographs and identified some great reference books, so I'm getting pretty confident that this is getting close to the point where I can green light a Shapeways print.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Dr Al on September 19, 2018, 12:03:36 pm
The mistake is that for my own chosen loco '5007' it is from the wrong production batch and has several differences most notably a completely different set of cab spectacles and roof profile! I'll redo the A5 CAD at some point but I need to save up and get the correct drawings first - I'm kicking myself for this one as it should have been obvious right from the start!  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry:

Why not just change the running number to one suitable for this version?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 19, 2018, 12:36:41 pm
I did look into that Alan but I found that non of that sub-class ever ran in the Kings Cross district; 5007 was one of a handful that had a regular turn out of Kings Cross for many years. I could just accept it and have it as a 'funny 'train' (I do have a couple of those) but why do that when I can get it correct. Still the existing body allows me to assess how I'm going to mount the body to the chassis so that I can make life a little easier when I have the time and money to redesign and reprint it.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 19, 2018, 09:01:32 pm
So I presume it's right for North Eastern Region?

Need anyone to take it off your hands (for a reasonable price, of course)?

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 19, 2018, 09:38:17 pm
'Reasonable price' is always an interesting choice of phrase...  :smiley-laughing:

Drop me a PM please.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 20, 2018, 07:55:55 pm
Steve,

Message sent this evening. The mechanism says it was sent, but I can't see it, bizarrely.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: R Marshall on September 20, 2018, 07:59:20 pm
Doh!

I hadn't set up a label for Sent Items.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 21, 2018, 08:38:52 am
Steve,

Message sent this evening. The mechanism says it was sent, but I can't see it, bizarrely.

Regards,

Roy

Thanks Roy, I've responded this morning. :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 22, 2018, 11:58:19 am
I thought it might be interesting to forum members if I discuss a little bit about my 3D printer and provide a glimpse of what goes into the test printing stages of one of my designs.

For this, I've been playing with the County's cab as a separate part. While it is my intention to print the final model as separate parts, all my test printing to date has been of the parts already assembled for speed to produce study/development models. My machine is an early B9Creator with a best possible resolution of 50 microns on the UV projector that cures the resin to produce parts (by at the cost of only having a projectable area of c. 50mm by 38mm). Below is last nights imperfect print.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918112858.jpeg)

There have been some sections that have not formed properly. This is partly due to insufficient supports during the printing but also party because I've pushed the limits of some of the features. I've since done some modest changes to the design and support patterns.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918112640.jpeg)

This is the B9C immediately on the completion of the cab part. The second attempt at the cab part still attached to the build plate and will be left for a few minutes to allow liquid resin to drain. This being a relatively small part took about one hour and forty minutes to print. Something longer in length will take much long (printing the whole County took about seven or eight hours).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918112730.jpeg)

Once I'm happy as much liquid resin as possible has drained from the build plate and part, I remove the build plate assembly and hang it over the resin vat for a few more minutes to allow any remaining trapped resin to drain.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-220918112816.jpeg)

After this, the print is carefully scraped from the build plate using a scalpel. You can see the raw print and some of the support network that needed to be removed to successfully get the print off the build plate (hopefully) without damaging the fine detail it was supporting. The supports on this machine are created in the same material as the part so great care has to be taken in their removal. Even then, there will be some evidence of the supports which must be removed by careful sanding or filling once the part is fully cured.

After this the part is placed in some IPA and put in an ultrasonic bath for between three and nine minutes (depending on the size and complexity of the part) before repeating the process using soapy water. After this the part is given a light scrub using an old worn toothbrush is water before being placed in a UV light box for between four to six hours to fully harden.

While I have my own machine, it is now primarily used for prototyping (although it does still get used for final parts on some projects) as Shapeways FXD (or whatever it is now called!) provides roughly the same level of detail but is capable of providing this equally on all six faces of a part. Also some geometries on are prone to warping on the B9C which can be a real pain to try and control - usually requiring a heavy and complex support system which requires a lot of care and effort to remove without causing damage. In the B9C's favour is its ability to produce parts which require less clean up on the unsupported faces that a FXD print and for work like this I'm not paying another company quite a bit of money for multiple test prints or having to wait up to two weeks to see if I've got something right (although my printer still carries a cost in maintenance and consumables).

My B9C is about four years old and has already been overtaken by two new generations of machine from that company. I was looking into a Form2 printer which uses a laser to cure the resin. Unfortunately, having had some test prints made, I've discovered that the laser isn't fine enough to produce detail in N gauge that I'm happy with - which is a shame as the much large build area is very appealing. Hopefully the Form3 will be able to achieve this as there are so many things I like about the Form2.

I hope that this is interesting to (at least) some.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Newportnobby on September 22, 2018, 01:57:15 pm
I found it interesting but, knowing nothing whatsoever about 3D printing, most of it passeth my understanding :dunce:
Thanks for at least trying to educate me, Steve.
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Roy L S on September 22, 2018, 04:28:22 pm
Hi Steve

Great pics, thanks for sharing.

The County cab looks really impressive even at this stage and straight from the printer, only under O Gauge type magnification can you really begin to see the build lines, I suspect these could mostly be lost under primer and paint, although I know you will go through your usual rigorous clean up for a really smooth body shell finish.

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 25, 2018, 02:26:25 pm
Following up from the latest bit of test printing, I've turned my attention back to the chimney and redesigned it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-250918141637.jpeg)

You may have also noticed that it has gained a set of cylinders as well. This have had to be moved out a smidge beyond what the drawings say to preserve the positions of the con rods, crossheads and slide bars from the Black Five donor. However, I think that they actually look closer to the photographs I've seen than the drawings do. Either way, this is a practical consideration and I can't see a way around it.

The loco also received some attention inside the cab.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-250918141732.jpeg)

Unfortunately, the drawings I have don't show the layout of the cab so this has been pieced together from references of other GWR 4-6-0s. It is a representation only to suggest that there are some controls and I make no claims about their accuracy.

The fixing holes have been plotted and added - we'll see how accurate my measurements are when I get the first print from Shapeways!

The tender still needs some more work at this stage but I think I'm going to just about call the loco end complete (unless anyone can find anything wrong or the Shapeways print reveals something that the B9C prints have missed.).

Edit: One more to show a side view.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-250918144229.jpeg)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Hailstone on September 25, 2018, 04:58:08 pm
looking good Steve, the curvature between the lip of the chimney and the bottom of the copper cap is still a little too round, but that may be down to the cad you use. as for the cab details, a full on view of the cab and the front of the tender can be found on page 4  of "The book of the Counties" by Ian Sixmith. if you don't have a copy Pm me

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 25, 2018, 05:21:07 pm
Thanks Alex, the radius of the curve between the lip of the chimney and bottom of the copper cap has been reduced by a third.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-250918171938.jpeg)

PM being sent your way shortly. :)
Title: Re: My new locomotive works...
Post by: Atso on September 25, 2018, 06:49:26 pm
Modified cab interior with kind thanks to Hailstone for helping with the reference picture. This is still merely a rough representation as there are limits to 3D printing and most of this will be very difficult to see but most of the major bits are there now.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/213-250918184709.jpeg)