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Title: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: scruff on September 07, 2015, 08:31:57 pm
Dapol have stated that their new N gauge Class 68 diesel loco is ready for tooling.
This means it is one step closer to release.. Good news! :o

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 13, 2015, 09:33:13 am
1st 3D print body sample from TINGS 2015:

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Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: OwL on September 13, 2015, 10:30:48 pm
Excellent loco. it reminds me of the old Roxette song 'She's got the Look'.............With a model like that, I can well see why.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on September 25, 2015, 04:39:06 pm
Dapol have stated that their new N gauge Class 68 diesel loco is ready for tooling.
This means it is one step closer to release.. Good news! :o

Cheers
Mark

Where was this reported? I'd seen that the OO gauge one had reached this stage but hadn't seen any mention of the N gauge version.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: scruff on September 26, 2015, 03:39:35 pm
Hi david

You have to read the comments on Dapol's facebook page, copied and pasted here for you. They occasionally let bits of information out in replies to visitors questions.


"Any 68 news yet?

Comments

Dapol Ltd

Dapol Ltd Hi Rob we should have the EP of the OO gauge version in the next few days and will be showing it running at our Club members open day. The N gauge version is now ready for tooling and we will be showing the 3d model at Tings next week.
 4 September at 20:15"

Cheers
Mark

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on September 26, 2015, 03:55:37 pm
Hi david

You have to read the comments on Dapol's facebook page, copied and pasted here for you. They occasionally let bits of information out in replies to visitors questions.


"Any 68 news yet?

Comments

Dapol Ltd

Dapol Ltd Hi Rob we should have the EP of the OO gauge version in the next few days and will be showing it running at our Club members open day. The N gauge version is now ready for tooling and we will be showing the 3d model at Tings next week.
 4 September at 20:15"

Cheers
Mark

Thanks! I'm not on Facebook - it can be rather irritating when companies only put stuff on there and not on their own websites!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Arrachogaidh on September 26, 2015, 04:15:16 pm
Ah Ha! The Turtle emerges from it's shell............... :thumbsup:

Need to get a ScotRail one and a DRS one!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Arrachogaidh on September 28, 2015, 10:04:16 pm
In Italy the Tartaruga had these logos applied.

I wonder if they will catch on here.....
http://www.max-model.it/ecommerce/details.php?id=544 (http://www.max-model.it/ecommerce/details.php?id=544)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: scruff on September 30, 2015, 07:56:56 pm
Further information about the Dapol Class 68 from Sawyer Models

"Dapol News
 Class 68 Locomotives

After the announcement of the OO Scale version earlier this month, Dapol has now released details of the N Scale version of the Class 68 in three liveries.

On 5 January 2012, Direct Rail Services announced it had placed an order for fifteen 160-kilometre-per-hour (100 mph) Vossloh Eurolight locomotives from Vossloh for intermodal and passenger work with a 2.8 MW (3,800 hp) C175-16 engine to be delivered from late 2013. The value of the contract has been estimated at £45 million. An option for ten further UKLights was confirmed to have been taken up in September 2014. Further to this, on 28 July 2015 Vossloh EspaŮa announced an order for a further 7 locomotives from DRS.
 The locomotives have been given TOPS class 68, the first locomotive spent several months being tested at Velim Test Centre in the Czech Republic prior to being shipped to the UK. The second unit in the class, numbered 68002, was the first to arrive in the UK in January 2014.
 The Class 68 is a mixed-traffic locomotive intended for use on both passenger and freight trains. DRS has a contract with VSOE to provide locomotives for its Northern Belle service. DRS has indicated that the locomotives will likely be used on container traffic, and on Network Rail trains for which it is contracted to operate, but that they will not be used on nuclear flask trains.
 The first passenger trains hauled by Class 68s were DRS special services for the 2014 Ryder Cup at Gleneagles.
 Chiltern Railways have sub-leased six Class 68s from December 2014, to replace Class 67s on its Chiltern Main Line services between London and Birmingham. These are painted in Chiltern livery and be fitted with push-pull equipment to allow them to operate with Mark 3 sets. Two DRS liveried locomotives (68008 and 68009) have also been fitted with push-pull equipment.

Dapol announced in 2013 that they had won an exclusive licence to replicate these locomotives in both OO and N Scales and given their distinctive and modern, striking looks we are anticipating them to be very popular and an invaluable addition to any modern model railway or as an interesting addition to any collector of model railway locomotives.

DA2D-022-001 DRS Class 68 002 'Intrepid'
 RRP £129.95

DA2D-022-002 DRS Class 68 005 'Defiant'
 RRP £129.95

DA2D-022-003 Chiltern Railways Class 68 010
 RRP £129.95

DA2D-022-004 Chiltern Railways Class 68 014
 RRP £129.95

DA2D-022-005 ScotRail Class 68 006 'Daring'
 RRP £129.95

DA2D-022-006 ScotRail Class 68 007 'Valiant'
 RRP £129.95"

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Railwaygun on September 30, 2015, 11:14:57 pm
and news from GAugemaster

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Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: JBM on October 01, 2015, 03:47:11 am
The OO and N gauge list has been up on Dapol's page for quite a while. Over a week now. Wonder why retailers just got the info.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: robert shrives on October 01, 2015, 06:32:18 am
Hi
The picture of 68010 is quite a small time frame - no cab front end grab handles. DRS always have had them but Chiltern had a short period with them removed during a period when drivers felt they presense created more of a risk from falling than the benefits of adding access.
Due to locos going off route this was a problem but now handles have returned but not as orginally made - now with a soft grip finish.
Hopefully Chiltern models will allow both options- the holes where retaining bolts removed were left open so removing wire handrails an option.
Robert   
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on October 01, 2015, 10:14:38 am
Will there be limited editions of 68001 in both gauges for DRS to sell themselves? I seem to recall that was the original intention.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: JBM on October 03, 2015, 10:06:16 am
Anyone attended the Dapol AGM? Heard there were samples there....
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rowlie on October 03, 2015, 02:29:43 pm
Hi JBM, just returned from the Dapol open day, an update on status was given, the N gauge version is running 3 months behind the OO version.  They had the N gauge 3D print there plus an undecorated OO version fitted with sound running on their OO layout, looks very good.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: JBM on October 03, 2015, 05:08:47 pm
Quote
Hi JBM, just returned from the Dapol open day, an update on status was given, the N gauge version is running 3 months behind the OO version.  They had the N gauge 3D print there plus an undecorated OO version fitted with sound running on their OO layout, looks very good.


Any pics mate?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rowlie on October 03, 2015, 05:23:38 pm
Hi
Sorry, didn't take any pictures, the 3D print is the same as the one earlier in this thread, hopefully someone else has taken some of the OO version running to whet the appetite for the N version.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Roy L S on October 03, 2015, 07:12:39 pm
Interesting. Were there any other snippets of news from the Open Day? Anyone else been and managed to get any photos??

Roy
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rowlie on October 03, 2015, 07:55:24 pm
Hi, there was a presentation on the status of all the announced projects, Dapol certainly seem to have been busy in the last year.  The Battle of Britain/West Country is to be the first of a new generation of locomotives, new chassis, quieter motor mounted in the Loco body.  Club model for 2016 is Schools Class "Stowe".  It was probably the best open day for a while.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Roy L S on October 03, 2015, 08:07:12 pm
Hi, there was a presentation on the status of all the announced projects, Dapol certainly seem to have been busy in the last year.  The Battle of Britain/West Country is to be the first of a new generation of locomotives, new chassis, quieter motor mounted in the Loco body.  Club model for 2016 is Schools Class "Stowe".  It was probably the best open day for a while.

Thanks Rowlie

What is the news on the N Gauge J72 Tank Loco or has this been quietly dropped now that Bachmann have announced the same loco in the Farish range?

Kind Regards

Roy
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rowlie on October 03, 2015, 08:36:21 pm
Hi Roy,
No I don't recall the J72 being mentioned, one thing that was mentioned a number of times was that they weren't going to announce things until they had something tangible in the background. regards Rowlie
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Arrachogaidh on October 04, 2015, 11:39:42 am
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Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: robert shrives on December 29, 2015, 07:53:02 pm
68 makes progress with CAD 3d print shot seen a while back
Robert
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on December 29, 2015, 08:48:26 pm
68 makes progress with CAD 3d print shot seen a while back
Robert

There's a picture in this month's Rail Express of a 3d-printed bodyshell, along with one for the Prototype HST and one for the Class 50.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: woodbury22uk on August 07, 2016, 10:28:06 am
There is a new CAD on the Dapol Digest site with a note of planned variations and the substitution of etched grilles for the moulded ones.

https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/n-gauge-models/diesel/class-68-aa/project-managers-blog-ab/2221-first-cad-view
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: ChrisWV10 on February 15, 2017, 05:33:56 pm
'Orribly Oversized are now out but according to Hatton's newsletter the N version is now in tooling and due in 2018 👎

C. :)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 18, 2017, 10:34:27 pm
Do you think they will surprise us and do a Class88 at the same time.

Its the electrodiesel version and its almost identical except for the roof/pantograph area?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: scottmitchell74 on March 29, 2017, 03:57:25 pm
(http://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/mediaimages/68Detail3.jpg)


Maybe it's time to go 00?! I'm due for bifocals sooner/later anyhow. What a pretty thing!

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Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Steven B on May 25, 2017, 01:53:01 pm
Dapol have published a couple of photos of the N Gauge class 68 on the
Dapol Digest (https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/n-gauge-models/diesel/class-68-aa/project-managers-blog-ab/5485-1st-shots-and-ep)

Quote from: Dapol Digest
There are of course a few tweaks required, a little sinkage in the windows and door area which will require minor tooling modifications and one or two other changes but our new mechanism runs nice and quietly.
Electrically, per specification we have just lost the halo function from the OO version which is a matter of size and practicality, all switches are easily accessible for DC users, for DCC users all functions can be controlled from the DCC decoder which is a simple drop-in installation. The model is designed around sound of course.


Happy modelling

Steven B.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: robert shrives on June 05, 2017, 07:22:28 pm
Hi
class 68 was seen at DEMU no pics but it looks lovely with a PCB to die for - built in speaker machine soldered parts with only 6 manual wire joins, LEDs on board with light guides. Certainly streets ahead of the boards in any previous loco.

The body captured the look of the prototype well with sensibly moulded grills over etched overscale affairs that would turn to dust if handled. Nose looked the part and the glazing whilenot polished was very nice but some changes there to improve.  Some refinement  on one side but very good progress.
Also like the 4mm version it hefts a good weight.

As livery is a case of reducing vector files which will shrink in all directions with out loss of quality - its what I use in the Warley club graphic as seen on the guide mag and the "you are here boards" with no loss of clarity I a sure all the 4mm liveries will work just as well - I know the DRS livery had a placement issue but as we are second runners we get right first time. Another benefit of modelling in N gauge I guess !

As an aside I do wonder if we will ever see one or two to replace the 57 on the Northern Belle - just saying  !!
Robert     
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: red_death on June 05, 2017, 07:55:07 pm
Ben and I got to have a look at the Dapol 68 as well at the weekend at DEMU Showcase.  As Robert said it was an impressive looking thing and the quality of the PCB looks like a step change improvement in Dapol's PCBs.

I really liked it and am looking forward to it being available.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on August 02, 2017, 06:43:46 pm
Hi
class 68 was seen at DEMU no pics but it looks lovely with a PCB to die for - built in speaker machine soldered parts with only 6 manual wire joins, LEDs on board with light guides. Certainly streets ahead of the boards in any previous loco.

The body captured the look of the prototype well with sensibly moulded grills over etched overscale affairs that would turn to dust if handled. Nose looked the part and the glazing whilenot polished was very nice but some changes there to improve.  Some refinement  on one side but very good progress.
Also like the 4mm version it hefts a good weight.

As livery is a case of reducing vector files which will shrink in all directions with out loss of quality - its what I use in the Warley club graphic as seen on the guide mag and the "you are here boards" with no loss of clarity I a sure all the 4mm liveries will work just as well - I know the DRS livery had a placement issue but as we are second runners we get right first time. Another benefit of modelling in N gauge I guess !

As an aside I do wonder if we will ever see one or two to replace the 57 on the Northern Belle - just saying  !!
Robert     

The online Dapol catalogue states that it has a Next-18 decoder, and is 'sound ready', although it's not stated whether all models come with the speaker ready-fitted or just those with sound decoders. Anyone know for sure? Robert's post above does imply that it's all of them.

As regards Northern Belle, they aren't going to have that many spare once the TPE contract starts - by my reckoning 11 in total remaining for DRS' own use, once the Scotrail contract ends. 8 with Chiltern, and 14 to go to TPE - although of course there might be one or two of the locos from the two TOCs available for DRS use, depending how many are on exam / repair. Will be interesting to see whether they carry on using the 68s for general work such as flasks, or whether they take some 57s out of store for that and use the 68s for Northern Belle and other passenger work.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on January 15, 2018, 10:12:26 pm
Any news on a 'hit the shops date' .

Anything I've read seems to mention a release date anytime from Jan to March.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: woodbury22uk on January 16, 2018, 06:34:52 am
Any news on a 'hit the shops date' .

Anything I've read seems to mention a release date anytime from Jan to March.

Ron

Straight from Dapol last evening.

https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/n-gauge-models/diesel/class-68-aa/project-managers-blog-ab/6760-shipping-update-n-gauge-class-68
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: robert shrives on January 16, 2018, 01:44:17 pm
Hi Hattons have just emailed with a around /after 26/2 date - nice birthday pres (24th)!

£118 for DC as it comes, other versions available !

Robert
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on January 16, 2018, 04:54:33 pm
Seems rude not to add a DRS one to the stable! They certainly look the part.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on January 16, 2018, 08:54:21 pm
Decisions, decisions, decisions.....do I do a pre order or wait till Model Rail Scotland and hopefully it's released in time for the show.

I've got a 8 X twin Tesco Express needing hauled.  Would have got the GF DRS 66, but got a few 66s in other liveries. They can get a bit same old, same old.

So decided to hold of till the 68 was released. Something different.

Just hope it can haul a good rake.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on January 17, 2018, 01:57:03 am
Assuming you mean the blue IKA Megafrets then you should be fine, mine is 8 pairs too, and even a Dapol 66 can manage them theyíre so light! Sure the 68 will surpass that.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on January 17, 2018, 09:54:33 pm
Yes that's the ones.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on January 20, 2018, 10:17:00 pm
Okay I've pre ordered Defiant (DRS) and Valiant  (Scotrail)

Should be nice additions to my fleet.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: CaleyDave on February 12, 2018, 10:44:04 pm
Dapol announced in a post on Facebook that the class 68 are due within the next few weeks with DCC and sound fitted comming shortly after the DC examples go on sale.

I don't do sound (think it's a bit of a gimmick ) but I am really tempted to get one.
I  think it's because I am use to hearing them.
I usually see or atleast hear one as I walk to work, they are the only passing train I can hear in the office as they pass and despite living a few miles from the station on a clear night I can hear them rumbling in the distance.  :toot:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 13, 2018, 09:45:24 am
I was going to resist, as I really should try and reduce my spending a bit, but that didn't last, as they look excellent. Can always sell it on!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Smiffy on February 13, 2018, 05:06:22 pm
Failed to resist many months ago, very pleased to hear theyíre on their way
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: 37058 on February 14, 2018, 02:01:06 pm
Oh dear :doh:

It's one of those, I don't really need one, but I really want one :smiley-laughing:

Totally not my era, but I do rate the class 68. Hopefully I'll bag a 68002 Intrepid. Be nice to add a little subtle weathering and add it to the stock box.

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 14, 2018, 06:53:30 pm
Do you think Dapol or anyone will do the 6 no mark2 coach rakes in DRS and

Scotrail Livery to accompany them in the future.

That would be good.

Freight one minute, passenger the next.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 14, 2018, 06:58:35 pm
Do you think Dapol or anyone will do the 6 no mark2 coach rakes in DRS and Scotrail Livery to accompany them in the future.

Dapol won't. Farish are working on new toolings for Mk2 aircons, but they've been delayed for years and look like being delayed for a while longer yet. Suppose they might do Scotrail at some point., but there are a lot more popular liveries for them to go at first.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jpendle on February 14, 2018, 07:23:28 pm
I can't decide whether to buy DC and chip them with Zimo's or to go the whole hog and get DCC sound.

I haven't heard much about the Dapol Imperium decoder (which I assume will be in these models) other than the documentation is inadequate. so programming anything other than address is problematic.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Dapol decoders?

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 14, 2018, 07:24:57 pm
I can't decide whether to bu DC and chip them with Zimo's or to go the whole hog and get DCC sound.

I haven't heard much about the Dapol Imperium decoder (which I assume will be in these models) other than the documentation is inadequate. so programming anything other than address is problematic.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Dapol decoders?

This will be their first model with a Next-18 socket, so nobody is going to have any experience of their decoders for that.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 14, 2018, 07:43:04 pm
Do you think Dapol or anyone will do the 6 no mark2 coach rakes in DRS and Scotrail Livery to accompany them in the future.

Dapol won't. Farish are working on new toolings for Mk2 aircons, but they've been delayed for years and look like being delayed for a while longer yet. Suppose they might do Scotrail at some point., but there are a lot more popular liveries for them to go at first.

Looks like my Scotrail one will be on ballast duties. Although I did buy it as I do like the livery.

The DRS will be ballast and intermodal.

Do you not think it strange that Dapol would select a livery that there's not much to haul available. Surely this would affect sales.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Caz on February 14, 2018, 07:48:18 pm
From what I've found on 'tinternet it is suggested it is a rebadged TCS decoder and Dapol are supposed to be updating their website soon.

Shame it's not a rebadged Zimo  :(

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 14, 2018, 07:51:46 pm
Do you not think it strange that Dapol would select a livery that there's not much to haul available. Surely this would affect sales.

There are currently only four liveries for the 68s, and they are doing three of them. No doubt the DRS-liveried ones will sell out quickest, but if the OO gauge ones are anything to go by the Scotrail ones will be reasonably popular.

The fourth livery is Transpennine Express, but only a couple of locos have appeared in that so far, and only recently. It seems probable that Dapol will do this livery in due course, although there's no stock to go with them either unless somebody produces mdoels of the Mk5 sets which are currently under construction.

They still haven't made any definite mention of stock to go with the Chiltern ones - and they can produce those as it's Mk3 carriages and DVTs, which are in Dapol's range (provided they do the one slam-door set in use on Chiltern).
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: cazadoom on February 14, 2018, 09:06:17 pm
Do you not think it strange that Dapol would select a livery that there's not much to haul available. Surely this would affect sales.

There are currently only four liveries for the 68s, and they are doing three of them. No doubt the DRS-liveried ones will sell out quickest, but if the OO gauge ones are anything to go by the Scotrail ones will be reasonably popular.

The fourth livery is Transpennine Express, but only a couple of locos have appeared in that so far, and only recently. It seems probable that Dapol will do this livery in due course, although there's no stock to go with them either unless somebody produces mdoels of the Mk5 sets which are currently under construction.

They still haven't made any definite mention of stock to go with the Chiltern ones - and they can produce those as it's Mk3 carriages and DVTs, which are in Dapol's range (provided they do the one slam-door set in use on Chiltern).

There is two variations of DRS one Compassy and one plain blue
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 14, 2018, 09:09:07 pm
Do you not think it strange that Dapol would select a livery that there's not much to haul available. Surely this would affect sales.

There are currently only four liveries for the 68s, and they are doing three of them. No doubt the DRS-liveried ones will sell out quickest, but if the OO gauge ones are anything to go by the Scotrail ones will be reasonably popular.

The fourth livery is Transpennine Express, but only a couple of locos have appeared in that so far, and only recently. It seems probable that Dapol will do this livery in due course, although there's no stock to go with them either unless somebody produces mdoels of the Mk5 sets which are currently under construction.

They still haven't made any definite mention of stock to go with the Chiltern ones - and they can produce those as it's Mk3 carriages and DVTs, which are in Dapol's range (provided they do the one slam-door set in use on Chiltern).

There is two variations of DRS one Compassy and one plain blue

True, there are. The plain one is a temporary livery used on the newest batch which are going into Transpennine livery, so won't be around for long.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: captainelectra on February 14, 2018, 09:39:08 pm
By a strange co-incidence, I have just received some more ScotRail Fife Circular Mk2 vinyl sets into stock.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: red_death on February 14, 2018, 10:57:42 pm
The 68s have been used on the majority of DRS workings now - plenty of ballast (including NR workings using IOAs and probably JNAs - both of which Dapol produce!), intermodals (eg Dapol Megafrets) and nuclear flask (Farish).  That is a pretty good start! That is before talking about the Chiltern workings.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 14, 2018, 11:49:15 pm
By a strange co-incidence, I have just received some more ScotRail Fife Circular Mk2 vinyl sets into stock.

What does the rake consist off....TSO, FO, BSO ?  6 no coaches.



Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 14, 2018, 11:59:31 pm
By a strange co-incidence, I have just received some more ScotRail Fife Circular Mk2 vinyl sets into stock.

What does the rake consist off....TSO, FO, BSO ?  6 no coaches.

BSO and 5 TSOs. There are two rakes.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: robert shrives on February 15, 2018, 07:44:24 pm
Rails of Sheffield new arrival email this afternoon with 68s shown so on the way to traders ( others available of course! )

Robert 
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Busybee on February 15, 2018, 08:11:15 pm
Dapol have said they were held up at Customs, but in there warehouse tomorrow, QC and on to shops.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 15, 2018, 11:32:19 pm
By a strange co-incidence, I have just received some more ScotRail Fife Circular Mk2 vinyl sets into stock.

What does the rake consist off....TSO, FO, BSO ?  6 no coaches.

How would one be able to obtain a rake. Does GF do the appropriate Mark 2 coaches to apply vinyls to.

BSO and 5 TSOs. There are two rakes.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 16, 2018, 08:04:53 am
Yep, they do. You want the mk2F variant (keep an eye on eBay, theyíre not current), nearly always listed just as mk2, youíll have to filter out the mk2 A/B/C which arenít appropriate - you need the air conditioned ones, rather than the ones that have individual opening windows.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 16, 2018, 06:56:22 pm
Thanks guys for all the interesting advice.

I'll have to keep an eye out for the GF mk2 coaches.

I think I'll treat myself to a set of those ' by a strange co-incidence ' scotrail vinyls

Good news the 68s are soon to be with us

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 16, 2018, 09:25:30 pm
What's the view on an early sell out of the DRS and Scotrail versions just like 00

I did wait a little while for the class 40 and bought one at a better discount from Model Rail Direct

I suppose I can wait for a second run if I miss out

£118 is a bit steep

 :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 16, 2018, 09:29:00 pm
£118 is a bit steep

Seems to be the going rate for newly released N-gauge diesels at the moment.

Of course you might get them reduced after a few months, but as you say the DRS livery is highly likely to sell out fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Graham on February 17, 2018, 12:47:31 am
ordered a DRS one from RoS, looks like we should get used to paying over £100 now for loco's given inflation especially in China.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 20, 2018, 11:14:43 am
Now in stock at Hattons and presumably other outlets :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: 37058 on February 20, 2018, 11:22:37 am
Just spoke with Leigh at Colletts models. He is also having them arrive this afternoon :D

Totally not my era, but I really want one :doh:

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 20, 2018, 07:17:01 pm
Looks like they have arrived just in time for Model Rail Scotland.

I've got mine pre ordered from Mike at C and M models.

Hopefully pick it up on Saturday on route to Birmingham.

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Ollie3440 on February 20, 2018, 08:31:56 pm
Evening all

It would appear 68002 has found it's way into my Rails basket and has somehow been paid for. Whoops!

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: G_N_E_R on February 20, 2018, 09:32:38 pm
Any photos yet?! I'm waiting for the sound ones..
Regards Phil
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 20, 2018, 09:34:37 pm
Any photos yet?! I'm waiting for the sound ones..
Regards Phil
Some on the Hattons website.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: captainelectra on February 20, 2018, 10:08:16 pm
A bit modern for me but I really want one. The Hattons pics show the DRS livery is spot-on, with none of the livery issues that affected the first OO examples.  :beers: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 20, 2018, 10:27:45 pm
Just had a nosey on Hattons site, they do look sweet.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on February 21, 2018, 11:51:21 am
Just waiting for mine to be delivered, DPD Darren is 1 hour away ;-)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Ben A on February 21, 2018, 12:01:34 pm

Hello all,

They are really lovely models.  I've reviewed them for the next issue of Model Rail - and in my view Dapol have really upped their game here.  Lots about this model to enjoy - and look out for the much improved presentation.

There never has been a better time to be an N gauge modeller IMO, especially if your focus is the present day.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: NeMo on February 21, 2018, 12:13:17 pm
They are really lovely models.  I've reviewed them for the next issue of Model Rail - and in my view Dapol have really upped their game here.  Lots about this model to enjoy - and look out for the much improved presentation.

Congratulations on the review!

But so far as saying Dapol have upped their game -- can't help but feel that's jumping the gun. My biggest concern with Dapol has always been quality control and reliability, not detailing or paintwork, let alone the presentation of the packaging. If we're six months in and nobody's complaining about failed LEDs or melting circuit boards, then I'll be more than happy to congratulate Dapol on their improvements! Let's see something with Union Mills reliability and Dapol detailing and then I'll be very chuffed indeed!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 21, 2018, 12:37:06 pm
There was a comment earlier in the thread that the PCBs look vastly improved over older models. Shall reserve judgement, I hope they donít snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: portland-docks on February 21, 2018, 01:34:00 pm
once mine arrives i will be adding a video review of it and putting it on our moorside reviews channel.

if its anything like the dummy prototype i had at warley, then it should be a fantastic model!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on February 21, 2018, 02:00:44 pm
Well, just received my 68s and its a bit of Good News / Bad News for me.

Good News - They look amazing and the new style packaging allows you to get the loco in and out of the box easily. The DRS Livery looks really good and the detailing is done to a very high standard.

Bad News - One of my locos 68001 has definitely had a hard life already, before I even slid the card sleeve off the box I could see a missing and badly attached handrail and on the other side another missing handrail. No bits in the box, so I'm guessing it's been packed this way at the factory. Seems to be the end that has the factory fitted coupling. They appear to be stuck on to the bodyshell, so this might be something for people to watch out for when handling them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/660-210218132213.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/660-210218132320.jpeg)

Hopefully get 68001 sorted with a replacement and maybe this is just an isolated bad one, the other two I bought look perfect.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 21, 2018, 02:18:06 pm
Shame. Great looking model, but that's poor.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Railbank on February 21, 2018, 05:52:05 pm
Overall I like the look of the Dapol 68 and to that end I await 68001 care of the excellent Colletts Models.

However to echo comments regards suspect fitting of the handrails 2D-022-005 68006 Daring in Scotrail as advertised by RoS & photographed by them on their web site has 1 missing hand rail - shame on both Dapol & RoS as it hardly instills confidence.

After looking at the remaining photos of DCC ready models in stock on RoS and Hattons web sites almost all have 'wonky' handrails fitted.

Whilst I don't mind a bit of fettling given the steep prices these days and the feedback that the manufacturers are obviously aware off due to the various forums I did expect better especially after the livery debacle they experienced with the OO version.

Anyway I await patiently 68001 to arrive and in all other respects the model looks really great - hopefully the model delivers in long term running.

To echo Ben A's comment I agree that n gauge has never had it so good for up to date models, the variety and innovation.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 21, 2018, 07:08:35 pm
These are £110.95 at Kernow Models

Although they are not showing in stock as yet

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on February 21, 2018, 08:53:09 pm
OK, so I've had some time to have a good look at the 68s now, they've had a little run in and I've fitted them with Bachmann 36-567 chips.

Removing the body is simple enough, it just clips into place. Lights are all attached to the chassis, so there are no trailing wires to disconnect. Everything inside looks neat tidy and well engineered. No speakers in the DC version, but there are solder pads allowing you to fit one at a later date. The Next 18 socket is easy to locate and the circuit board is nice and clear around it so fitting DCC is a doddle. The body is directional, but there is an arrow on the moulding and a matching one on the Circuit board, if they are pointing in the same direction you should be good to go.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/660-210218202833.jpeg)

The mechanism is very quiet in operation, the loco just seems to glide down the rails. Gearing seems to be spot on, the loco can crawl well and has a good top speed if you need it. Lights are easily visible and I haven't seen any light bleed through the body. You can see a little reflection of the Headlights on the rail tops under the loco which must be shining down through the chassis openings for the bogeys, but I'm guessing if that's a problem it could be sorted with a little bit of electrical tape. The body and chassis are really well detailed, the front of the loco especially, which has allot of the cables and pipes attached. These are shortened versions so the couplings can be used, but there's a pack of longer ones in the box should you want to more accurately detail the ends. Couplings are attached to the chassis not the bogeys, but they seem to have a good amount of movement so things should be OK. The wheels look to have etchings fitted so they look like brake discs which is a really nice touch.

The Owners Manual provided is excellent and covers all three variants (DC / DCC and DCC Sound), even if it's the most difficult thing to get out of the box. It tells you how to remove the body and gives a nice exploded view of the loco should you need to do anything with it. It also details what the switches on the circuit board do and how they  affect the Cab and Directional lighting, although I might have to read these again ;)

Apart from the issues with the handrails on 68001 which is already on it's way back for replacement (thank you Hattons), I'm really pleased with these 68s. Dapol have obviously put quite a bit of thought into them, they look the part and they run really well.

Cheers, Mark.

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Dr Al on February 21, 2018, 09:18:16 pm

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/660-210218202833.jpeg[/url])



Thanks for the picture.

PCB looks vastly better than previous Dapol. Not sure that the couplings being body mounted is a good idea - that presumably means they won't follow the track on curves when not coupled to anything, and therefore won't easily couple on curves. Or do they follow the bogie rotation?

I presume the motor looks to be the established 'super creep'?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on February 21, 2018, 09:35:40 pm
The couplings don't track the bogie rotation
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Ben A on February 21, 2018, 10:31:54 pm

Hi Al,

The coupler question is a good one.  I prefer body mounted couplers on rolling stock, but on locos I am not so sure.  For the Revolution Class 92 we decided to bogie mount it for precisely the reason you mentioned.

However, the Class 68 owes much to its Continental heritage, and this is particularly noticeable in that the end overhang is far greater than is customary on traditional British designs.

If you look at a side on photo of the model you'll see the coupler shaft would have to be exceptionally long, and possibly susceptible to drooping.

Lots of similar European locos by Fleischmann, Roco et al have body mounted couplers for this reason, and Dapol have made the (wise, in my view) decision to follow their example as it works, but it does mean that coupling on tight curves is tricky.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: captainelectra on February 21, 2018, 10:49:03 pm
Oh well, Iíve ordered a DRS machine. Being a Star Trek fan, it had to be the Defiant 😀
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: mika on February 22, 2018, 09:06:49 am
Thanks, Mark, for your review. Looking forward to receiving mine :)

Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Graham on February 22, 2018, 10:01:13 am
Liked the review, looking forward to getting mine in a couple of weeks. (Australia Post willing)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: 37058 on February 22, 2018, 10:07:58 am
Thank you for the reviews guys.

I am also looking forward to receiving mine (002) Sutton St Annes is going to look like a space ship has landed :smiley-laughing:

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 22, 2018, 11:15:56 am
Just got mine! Feels a step up in quality - the box is nicer, deeper, feels better quality. The model is stunning, I really like that it's supplied with one end detailed already, and the quality of the moulding is superb.

One handrail hanging off mine, frustrating, but for the sake of 30 seconds with some glue and some tweezers I'll sort it rather than return it.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Shropshire Lad on February 22, 2018, 11:39:56 am
Probably clutching at straws here but do the 68s ever run singly on the flask trains? I can't really justify one but two isn't going to happen!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 22, 2018, 11:46:11 am
I donít think anything runs singly on the flasks, but you could combine with a 37 if youíve got one?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Shropshire Lad on February 22, 2018, 12:05:35 pm
Mmmmmmmm thought not Thanks for the info.! All my stock is BR blue so if I'm going to need two locos on a flask train I'll have to have a think.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 22, 2018, 12:27:16 pm
With the best will in the world, surely you're stretching rule 1 to the max to even have one, so who cares if the formation isn't wholly prototypical...?

Was just looking at mine sat on the kitchen table, and if I were being hyper critical, which I'm going to be, it's a shame they've not redone the artwork on the box sleeve. Because the new box is deeper, maybe by 50% or so, the "Dapol" and "N Gauge" lettering on the cardboard sleeve his simply been stretched, which seems a bit of a shame, as they're now distorted. Like I say, hyper critical, but arguably symptomatic of Dapol just managing to overlook these tiny bit of attention to detail.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 22, 2018, 01:40:38 pm
My DRS and Chiltern ones have arrived. Just a short run out has proved them smooth and responsive. Love the detail, especially the brake discs. Also seem to be perfectly speed matched so would be ideal for top-and-tail on a flask train. More play time tomorrow hopefully.  :)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 22, 2018, 01:48:37 pm
I've got a Chiltern one, and very impressed with it. Very smooth and quiet runner - much more so than the 67s. Detail is all well-applied and looks to be accurate.

The new packaging was mentioned above. This seems generally better (the box is a slighlty different shape to allow a folded instruction manual in the base). Only downside with that is that the flat piece of foam which forms the back piece of the packaging is wedged in so tightly it needs a small screwdriver or similar to prise it out and get to the manual - could do with being a bit looser and with cut-outs. Minor point though! The manual is very detailed and much better than the folded sheet of previous models.

Are there supposed to be etched name plates with these? Thought I'd seen it mentioned somewhere, but the accessories bag contains only one coupler (the loco comes with only one fitted), and some air pipes.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Kaput on February 22, 2018, 03:29:32 pm
I imagine the nameplates depend on which Chiltern one you got since to my knowledge only one of them is named.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 22, 2018, 03:37:27 pm
I imagine the nameplates depend on which Chiltern one you got since to my knowledge only one of them is named.

It is the named one - 68010 'Oxford Flyer'.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Kaput on February 22, 2018, 03:49:30 pm
I imagine the nameplates depend on which Chiltern one you got since to my knowledge only one of them is named.

It is the named one - 68010 'Oxford Flyer'.

Fair enough, hopefully someone will be along soon to confirm/deny whether theirs came with nameplates as the information I've suggests they should be there.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Kaian on February 22, 2018, 03:55:37 pm
How is the weight of the model? I found I get minor derailments across double slips with the Dapol 66's but the 67's are heavy enough to not be a factor.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 22, 2018, 03:59:01 pm
How is the weight of the model? I found I get minor derailments across double slips with the Dapol 66's but the 67's are heavy enough to not be a factor.

Think it's a bit heavier than the 67s. It's also quite happy with 9" radius curves, which the 66s aren't.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Kaian on February 22, 2018, 04:07:36 pm
How is the weight of the model? I found I get minor derailments across double slips with the Dapol 66's but the 67's are heavy enough to not be a factor.

Think it's a bit heavier than the 67s. It's also quite happy with 9" radius curves, which the 66s aren't.

Thank you, I appear to have accidentally ordered 2 on your confirmation. When my wife asks, I will have to blame you I'm afraid!  :hmmm: :uneasy: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 22, 2018, 04:16:49 pm
No etched plates with my DRS one, given the etches are quite overscale I'm not that worried. The handrails are actually plastic, which I'd not expected, assumed they were metal. Re-attached my floating one without hassle. The light tube and housing fell out of one end of the body when I removed it on mine. The PCB looks far better quality than anything that's gone before from Dapol, loads of switches! Nice to see a speaker slot, even if they've not fitted a speaker.

As others have said - fantastically quiet, runs beautifully, very smooth, no hint of stalling on  complex pointwork where I sometimes find stuff a bit hesitant (damn my not wiring up frogs!).

Decent haulage - quick run in and then mine romped around the layout with 8 pairs of Megafrets with weighted containers. Didn't test on a gradient (other than the fact my entire layout is a bit squint), but haulage appeared excellent based on that. Superior to the 66 certainly.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 22, 2018, 04:20:06 pm
One other thing - the instructions say that the model doesn't need running in.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: cazadoom on February 22, 2018, 04:25:58 pm
Like a muppet I ordered DCC Fitted ones! Very jealous of them all arriving!

Had the samples on the layout at TINGS and Warley so got impatient!

So order went into ROS for a Chiltern one 🙈

With the speaker slot is it specified what size speaker is needed?

Cheers

Callum
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: dannyboy on February 22, 2018, 07:14:40 pm
Does anyone know when the DCC fitted variants will be available?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on February 22, 2018, 07:53:40 pm
Best N Gauge diesel since the CJM 67!
Despite one of mine having a loose handrail and a detached front valence.  They all run nicely
Now,.....whereís those Pendos!

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: matt94 on February 23, 2018, 05:23:22 pm
Has anybody else found their 68 really struggling with inclines? I have a helix which every other loco can pull a 10 coach train up with ease but my 68 cant even pull 2 coaches?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Dr Al on February 23, 2018, 05:38:53 pm
Has anybody else found their 68 really struggling with inclines? I have a helix which every other loco can pull a 10 coach train up with ease but my 68 cant even pull 2 coaches?

There's been reports of some only driving one bogie because the internal worm clips locking the worm down in the chassis aren't propperly clipped down.

Worth a look.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:41:34 pm
Remember the first rule of Dapol models, "well designed - badly built"   :)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: matt94 on February 23, 2018, 05:42:22 pm
Has anybody else found their 68 really struggling with inclines? I have a helix which every other loco can pull a 10 coach train up with ease but my 68 cant even pull 2 coaches?

There's been reports of some only driving one bogie because the internal worm clips locking the worm down in the chassis aren't propperly clipped down.

Worth a look.

Cheers,
Alan

I've heard of this but I'm not exactly sure how to go about it?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Dr Al on February 23, 2018, 05:46:04 pm
I've heard of this but I'm not exactly sure how to go about it?

There were photos on Facebook.

Basically, with body removed you should be able to see the worm axle ends if you look along the chassis from its ends. It was clear looking at this that a plastic clip was popped up on one side.

Before any of that check if the wheels on one bogie aren't driving on track.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Dr Al on February 23, 2018, 05:47:26 pm
Remember the first rule of Dapol models, "well designed - badly built"   :)

Having repaired of the order 100+ Dapol locos, I'd contend that there are some particularly dubious designs for certain parts on certain locos aswell.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:49:40 pm
Remember the first rule of Dapol models, "well designed - badly built"   :)

Having repaired of the order 100+ Dapol locos, I'd contend that there are some particularly dubious designs for certain parts on certain locos aswell.

Cheers,
Alan

You may think so, I could not possibly comment.  :laugh3:

That's the second rule  8)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: matt94 on February 23, 2018, 05:51:48 pm
I've heard of this but I'm not exactly sure how to go about it?

There were photos on Facebook.

Basically, with body removed you should be able to see the worm axle ends if you look along the chassis from its ends. It was clear looking at this that a plastic clip was popped up on one side.

Before any of that check if the wheels on one bogie aren't driving on track.

Cheers,
Alan

Found it  :thankyousign:

Problem sorted. Aside from this I have to say I am extremely impressed. Now running great up my helices. ..
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: CaleyDave on February 23, 2018, 06:33:20 pm
Picked up Scotrail 68006 Today.

I have to second the comments about how quiet the motor is. It is the Quietest Dapol Loco I own by miles and I am fairly sure it knocks my Farish class 60 off the top spot for quietest model in my collection.

Really like the manual which came with it.
Only cons are the glazing on the top light looks a bit squint up-close and it didn't come with a spare Magnetic coupling (But I need to go shopping for misc bits anyway).

Might have to get 007 now.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/4869-230218181747.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/4869-230218181848.jpeg)

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Kaput on February 23, 2018, 06:39:25 pm
Picked up mine today. Lovely model and the manual for the first time ever actually feels like a manual instead of a generic afterthought.

Only minor issue is due to the coupling being body mounted it likes to either uncouple or derail stock on some curves and some of the less smooth bits of my track. Might try out the knuckle style couplers at some point.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Busybee on February 23, 2018, 06:57:33 pm
They don't seam to have a lot pulling power, but my 2 didn't have any missing parts.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 23, 2018, 07:02:57 pm
I have to second the comments about how quiet the motor is. It is the Quietest Dapol Loco I own by miles
Is it a coreless motor in them?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 23, 2018, 07:12:37 pm
They don't seam to have a lot pulling power, but my 2 didn't have any missing parts.

I found mine pretty good on reasonable trains. What have you found to be the limit? - sure youíve not got the problem detailed above?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 23, 2018, 07:25:14 pm
There were loads for sale at Model Rail, Cheltenham Models being the cheapest at 115.00.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jpendle on February 24, 2018, 12:36:38 am
I couldnít resist and now have Intrepid and Defiant on order from Hattons. Iíve also got 2 Zimo MX618N18 decoders on order from a US supplier for $31 each.

I really like Zimo and have them in all my locos. Iím not sure that I want any other decoder in my fleet, so Iíd rather chip locos myself.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on February 24, 2018, 10:08:23 am
Only thing is that the Zimo is 4 function, and you need a 6 function to  exploit all the lighting functions.

Iíve done the same FWIW.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Caz on February 24, 2018, 11:36:58 am
AFAIK the Zimo MX618N18 decoder has 4 + 4 outputs, the normal F0f and F0r plus F01 and F02 (green and brown wires), I use these for the firebox glow and say a cab light.  In addition to these the SUSI outputs F03 and F04 can be changed to normal light outputs in the CV settings (I use these to control the additional tender lights I fit for instance) plus if needed there are the F05 and F06 which according to Zimo are just logic outputs, see the Zimo manual diagram below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/202-240218113111.jpeg)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: PWayman on February 24, 2018, 11:51:12 am
No answer from anyone yet to DavidinYorks question as to whether it is a coreless motor in the 68. Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 24, 2018, 09:53:19 pm
Yep, they do. You want the mk2F variant (keep an eye on eBay, theyíre not current), nearly always listed just as mk2, youíll have to filter out the mk2 A/B/C which arenít appropriate - you need the air conditioned ones, rather than the ones that have individual opening windows.
Does anyone have the GF product numbers.
Just so I know what I'm raking about for at the second hand stalls

Ron
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: dannyboy on February 24, 2018, 09:58:29 pm
Is this any good?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: davidinyork on February 24, 2018, 09:58:41 pm
Yep, they do. You want the mk2F variant (keep an eye on eBay, theyíre not current), nearly always listed just as mk2, youíll have to filter out the mk2 A/B/C which arenít appropriate - you need the air conditioned ones, rather than the ones that have individual opening windows.

Does anyone have the GF product numbers.
Just so I know what I'm raking about for at the second hand stalls

Ron


See here:
http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_seconds.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_seconds.php)
http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_brakes.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_brakes.php)
http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_firsts.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/bac_pass_mk2_firsts.php)

You want the aircon ones - Mk2d/e/f. If they are going to be reliveried it doesn't really matter whether they are first or standard class as they don't have interiors.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Merrylee on February 25, 2018, 09:01:02 am
Thanks David, that is really helpful.

Did notice the 1st class has only 7 Windows compared to 8 for standard.

I picked up a couple of Poole carriages intercity ones product numbers 0806 and
0807 really cheap so took a chance on them.

Are they any good, apart from the later tooling being probably better.

Ron

Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 25, 2018, 02:06:35 pm
Ron

You need the coaches with the clear bodies for the vinyls not the coloured ones with the window overlays as these are no use. Therefore the later Poole produced or early Bachmann produced coaches based on Poole tooling. If buying on eBay you need to look at the photos carefully to get the right ones. If you can see a mold pip on the centre window these are the wrong coach. A photo of the bottom of coach can show if the body shell is clear or self coloured

 
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Busybee on February 25, 2018, 06:54:41 pm
I have ran my 2 68s over the weekend and Lincoln Model Railway exhibition (DRS) and had no problems, no derailments. I would say they don't seem good at heavy loads. We did run two for visitors, Scotrail versions, no problems with build no loose parts.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jacowin80 on February 27, 2018, 11:00:25 pm
So..... My model arrived on thursday and all seemed good, gave it a quick run out on a strait of kato and seemed really smooth, nice running model.  Tonight I have finally managed to give it a proper run out and it can't pull the skin off a rice pudding!  I have inspected the bogies and have discovered only one set is working.  I can see in this thread that this is a problem, that has affected others but not been confident enough to solve the problem my self I am having to send back to Hattons tomorrow.  Besides, I don't see why I should have to tinker with my 120 pound purchase.  Such a shame as I thought Dapol had nailed it on this one but unfortunately it doesnt look like mine is an isolated occurrence.  I really don't want to come across as a hated but I really don't have luck with Dapol models.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 27, 2018, 11:09:45 pm
So..... My model arrived on thursday and all seemed good, gave it a quick run out on a strait of kato and seemed really smooth, nice running model.  Tonight I have finally managed to give it a proper run out and it can't pull the skin off a rice pudding!  I have inspected the bogies and have discovered only one set is working.  I can see in this thread that this is a problem, that has affected others but not been confident enough to solve the problem my self I am having to send back to Hattons tomorrow.  Besides, I don't see why I should have to tinker with my 120 pound purchase.  Such a shame as I thought Dapol had nailed it on this one but unfortunately it doesnt look like mine is an isolated occurrence.  I really don't want to come across as a hated but I really don't have luck with Dapol models.

From several directions I believe that the worm gear fixing is unclipping by a sharp bang.  From the inputs I have had its possibly due to bad handling during shipping, with a hard impact causing the problem :worried:.

You probably could fix it yourself, but I agree why should you have to.

I think all retailers should know about this by now and should be checking, this is assuming the culprit is not the great British Post Office playing rugby football with the boxes  :goggleeyes:.

For those buying in person check both wheel sets are locked, if they turn the worm gear is loose.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 28, 2018, 04:15:57 pm
I have a class 68 Oxford Flyer on loan from Ray at B H E he has lent it to me to run it in for him as he hasnt got a layout up and running yet .
It runs absolutely smooth and quiet and just mucking about we put a rake of eight pullman coaches and it was no problem pulling those tonight we will give it a real test and see how many mixed coaches it can manage will report on the total it pulled tomorrow.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: GWR-Kris on February 28, 2018, 06:14:20 pm
I just got mine today noticed one of the handrails where loose which clipped in. however noticed what look super glued at the bottom, the white stain effect. But the one thing I thought was the DRS Star logo doesn't look right however checking various sites there locos are the same with what looks like marks on it?

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/30317/dapol-2d-022-002-n-gauge-class-68-68005-defiant-in-drs-livery
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 28, 2018, 06:40:45 pm
@GWR-Kris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=681)   The "marks" on the star are part of the design, there is a map drawn on the star, it just doesn't render very clearly in N scale.

Download the official DRS media image pack's high resolution photos from the link on this page and zoom in!:
https://www.directrailservices.com/news-articles/2013/12/10/exclusive-class-68-in-new-drs-livery/ (https://www.directrailservices.com/news-articles/2013/12/10/exclusive-class-68-in-new-drs-livery/)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: GWR-Kris on February 28, 2018, 07:33:48 pm
Cheers for that now I understand. I don't thinks its come across so well for the N scale. But must say its a good loco runs smooth and quiet I'm certainly considering another one.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Graham on February 28, 2018, 09:08:46 pm
Just received mine from RoS, must say they were very well packed for sending half way round the world and have arrived all ok. no rails off, bogies still seated ok. Have test run them and am very very pleased. Will try them with a load at the weekend all being well to see how they perform.
cheers
Graham
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Bob Tidbury on March 02, 2018, 09:29:22 am
Me and my mate done a fun  type haulage test on the Chiltern 68 I had on loan from Ray and Andrew it pulled 24 coaches a D V T and a stove R .They are not very happy as they are NOT getting it back ,I sold them six Silver Bullets and a cash adjustment instead as that's the only way I could afford it .Ray is getting another one for them . It was a no brainer I allways wanted one as the line runs through Wycombe and my son and daughter both work for them  it's a shame there are no Chiltern Mainline coaches to go with it ,but modellers licence it will be pulling Wrexham and Shropshire coaches instead.
I also sold three Locos to my mate as I am thinning down my stock that hardly ever gets run.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jpendle on March 03, 2018, 01:39:48 am
I just received 2 DC versions from Hattons.

Put them on my test track and both ran really well. Haven't got any chips yet as my US supplier seems to be asleep.

Once I do I'll test them on DCC and play with the light functions

Handrails were attached on both my models although a couple were a little wonky.

Slow running on DC was superb, with all the wheels picking up power. I have a couple of intentionally dead sections on my test track to make sure power is coming from both bogies.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on March 03, 2018, 07:40:14 am
Had another go with mine yesterday - it managed 26 container flats, with containers, but seemed to be running rather slowly (irrespective of load), it was only about 4 degrees in the garage, mind.

Haulage on my 2% gradient was poor, it didnít even get the normal train of 16 flats onto the gradient. Which suggests itís better on the flat than a 66, but worse on gradients.

Will try again when itís a bit warmer, was definitely more sluggish yesterday.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68,
Post by: jthjth on March 03, 2018, 01:55:20 pm
I received mine on Wednesday and have fitted it with a Zimo MX618 decoder, or to be strictly accurate the Bachmann badged version. I suspect it was me being a bit thick, but it took me a while to work out how to set up all the lighting. The included manual appears to be comprehensive, but if you are not using the supplied Dapol decoder itís a bit like trying to solve a crossword puzzle. I sorted mine out eventually with Decoder Pro and took screenshots and have written it up in a document, lest I forget one day. If anyone is interested drop me a message and Iíll make it available somewhere.

Regards

Julian Thornhill
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on March 03, 2018, 06:33:29 pm
I received mine on Wednesday and have fitted it with a Zimo MX618 decoder, or to be strictly accurate the Bachmann badged version. I suspect it was me being a bit thick, but it took me a while to work out how to set up all the lighting. The included manual appears to be comprehensive, but if you are not using the supplied Dapol decoder itís a bit like trying to solve a crossword puzzle. I sorted mine out eventually with Decoder Pro and took screenshots and have written it up in a document, lest I forget one day. If anyone is interested drop me a message and Iíll make it available somewhere.

Regards

Julian Thornhill


Many thanks Julian @jthjth (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1299), your instructions are spot on. My 68 with a Bachmann 36-567 on board, now has enough lighting options to keep any 'Rivet Counter' at bay!
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on March 03, 2018, 07:19:40 pm
My class 68005 arrived from Kernow MRC mid week and I have test run it today, I am very pleased and impressed with this model. Yes 1 handrail was misaligned but otherwise all seems to be excellent, it runs very quiet and very slow. I have taken the body off and the bogies are correctly assembled and lights seem to be correct. I have rather forcible removed the  cove on the roof to access the switches, real shame this is glued down and so difficult to do, otherwise it would be a great idea. Overall a great model, real pleased with my purchase and definitely a rule 1.

As you can see from my picture of 68005 with a 3D scanner in front of it I just had to have one.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: el18 on March 04, 2018, 05:34:17 pm
Haulage on my 2% gradient was poor, it didnít even get the normal train of 16 flats onto the gradient. Which suggests itís better on the flat than a 66, but worse on gradients.

I got my loco this week too and I'm missing some "traction tyres" and this would be a problem for you too.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 04, 2018, 06:21:22 pm
Haulage on my 2% gradient was poor, it didnít even get the normal train of 16 flats onto the gradient. Which suggests itís better on the flat than a 66, but worse on gradients.

I got my loco this week too and I'm missing some "traction tyres" and this would be a problem for you too.

Ever get the feeling Dapol are employing former British Leyland quality inspectors.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on March 04, 2018, 06:42:09 pm
Haulage on my 2% gradient was poor, it didn’t even get the normal train of 16 flats onto the gradient. Which suggests it’s better on the flat than a 66, but worse on gradients.

I got my loco this week too and I'm missing some "traction tyres" and this would be a problem for you too.

They're not meant to have any are they?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on March 04, 2018, 07:05:25 pm
I wouldnít have thought so, none of the Dapol diesels have them.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Lindi on March 06, 2018, 06:16:49 pm
Retailers have started to receive stocks of the DCC fitted models if anybody is interested.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jacowin80 on March 08, 2018, 08:41:57 pm
Replacement arrived today from Hatton's.  Excellent service and no questions asked.  Second model had 1 door handle loose which was swiftly put back into place and Defiant returned to layout and put into duty hauling the megafrets it couldn't cope with last time and this was a different beast, very quiet as well and smooth runner from the off.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: terrysoham on March 16, 2018, 05:20:14 pm
New class 68 with factory fitted sound decoder delivered from Hattons at 13:40.   

Unpacked and running on my layout doing slow circuits 13:50.   
Checked sounds which seemed to work ok.   
I checked the body.      Getting warm where the decoder is fitted.   Removed body,  Decoder surface mounted resistors and capacitors getting hot (not warm).   I know enough about electronics to know that components getting hot indicates a fault.    Spoke to Hattons who confimed that I should send it back.  Not entirely happy with that solution as I could get a faulty replacement.

Tried ringing DCC Supplies and Dapol at 14:30 to seek their opinion.   
But the Dapol customer service phone is dead and DCC Supplies message says it is unavailable.

Anyone had simiilar problems with the Class 68 or have I been unlucky?

Not sure what my best move is.   Thinking of getting DCC Supplies to look at it in the hope that they will check it out and I'll get back one that works properly.  Is that a good idea?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jthjth on March 16, 2018, 06:16:14 pm
Iím not sure if it immediately helps you, but mine works just fine with a Zimo/Bachmann Next18 decoder. If you didnít want to go with the hassle of continually sending it back I suppose you could try the Zimo device. It is capable of controlling all the lighting options. Do you get supplied with a DC blanking plug with the DCC predicted version? If yes you could try that just to see if it works correctly in DC mode.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: terrysoham on March 16, 2018, 06:56:48 pm
Iím not sure if it immediately helps you, but mine works just fine with a Zimo/Bachmann Next18 decoder. If you didnít want to go with the hassle of continually sending it back I suppose you could try the Zimo device. It is capable of controlling all the lighting options. Do you get supplied with a DC blanking plug with the DCC predicted version? If yes you could try that just to see if it works correctly in DC mode.
Thank you.   Not sure whether I made it clear that this has the factory fitted sound decoder.  So a couple of innocent questions - is the Zimo decoder a sound one?       what will running it in dc mode prove unless it is capable of sound in dc Mode?   
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: jthjth on March 16, 2018, 06:59:45 pm
Sorry Iíd forgotten about sound decoders, as they are not my thing. The Zimo decoder I mentioned is non sound.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 16, 2018, 07:52:52 pm
@terrysoham (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=740)  It's brand new and Hattons have agreed it should go back for replacement.  The retailer is your first port of call for faults/warranty issues etc.

If that replacement also turns out to be faulty then you'd expect Hattons to agree to a refund - they won't want to be mucking about either.

Postage should all be covered by Hattons.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: terrysoham on March 16, 2018, 08:21:23 pm
Thank you for your post.    Unless I have not understood what Dapol are saying in the little brochure that was in the packaging,  Dapol offer a repair service through DCC Supplies or themselves under warranty.   In fairness to Hattons they have offered me a full refund which remains an option but I really want a working Class 68 with sound so getting it repaired under warranty will suit me best.
I was really seeking comments from others who might have had experiences - good or not so good - of the Dapol warranty.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on March 26, 2018, 03:26:10 pm
Managed to do a bit of a Haulage test with my 68 on Saturday while making sure we're ready for the York Exhibition this weekend. The loco seemed quite happy to shift 14 sets of Megafrets without any issues, so pretty impressed with that.

https://youtu.be/6XTMwpuQ4r0

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: geoffc on March 26, 2018, 09:05:09 pm
I bought one at the weekend, it runs fine and very quiet, I have two questions about it.
There were no easi shunt couplings with it, I thought all Dapol locos came with them now.
One end is fitted with full length air pipes etc which have to be removed to fit a coupling. Is this normal and are they easy to remove?

Geoff
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Vonzack on March 26, 2018, 10:31:30 pm
Thats how it should be. A pity Dapol are not including the Easi Shunt couplings now, the recent releases have just had the dummy knuckles.

I had trouble removing the detail pipes from one end. The detail bag has a set of short and a set of long pipes, so I just shortened/clipped the ones on the detail end to fit the coupling.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Railbank on March 28, 2018, 08:53:17 pm
Anyone having difficulty with the light functions?

I have just received 2 DCC Fitted examples and cannot get all the light functions to work.

Read the booklet.

Light Switches left at factory settings - head & tail lights including the forward cab light operate with direction setting and F0
However functions F1 through F5 as per page 6 do nothing.

Reset SW3 to position 1 for the 6 function Dapol Imperium  as per Table 1 on page 3

Forward direction & F0 - Leading cab head & cab lights come on but trailing cab has nothing lit
F1 and the white light come on/off at trailing end, F2 and the red lights come on/off at the trailing end
Changing direction makes no difference to the above the lights operate just the same and don't change round.
F3/F4 and F5 appear to do nothing.

Then found an Addendum note from Dapol saying how to set up SW1, SW2 and SW3 for 6 function decoders and saying that F14/F15 will operate the cab lights again tested and operates just the same as above except F5, F14 and F15 don't do anything.

Both are the same so not convinced yet it's a Dapol fault.

Any suggestions? DCC system is an NCE Powercab.

 :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: nobby on June 20, 2018, 09:54:48 pm
so finally got round to dcc sound fitting my three class 68 , the first couple had to go back because of missing hand rails or buffers , but in the end i had 3 that were fully checked and running sweet so in for the upgrade , 2 went well last one was a pig to get the bodyshell off and when it did i shed all its bits , so now missing 2 handrails  grrrr
and checked on dcc supplies and they are £8.50,  so not a happy bunny  dont want to return it because of this but not happy about the cost of bits so just might. will be re gluing everything in from now on
on a happy note do like the sound though.
nobby
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: GWR-Kris on July 08, 2018, 07:00:29 pm
Had an issue with my 68 Valiant I purchased new from the GCR model show. It started juddering during running in, now it just crawls along. Trouble is I did not get any kind of receipt when I purchased it from the show. How do I stand with returning it to dcc supplies without any receipt?
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on July 08, 2018, 07:44:00 pm
Got a bank or card statement? Thatís sufficient proof of purchase.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: crewearpley40 on July 08, 2018, 08:19:39 pm
does this help ?

https://www.dccsupplies.com/delivery.htm (https://www.dccsupplies.com/delivery.htm)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: PaulCheffus on July 08, 2018, 08:49:58 pm
Got a bank or card statement? Thatís sufficient proof of purchase.

Hi

I agree when I had to return my dash cam under warranty Halfords accepted the bank statement as proof of purchase.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on July 08, 2018, 08:54:16 pm
Yep, thatís absolute fact - it counts as a proof of purchase, never be fobbed off that you need a Ďproperí receipt.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Newportnobby on July 08, 2018, 09:28:04 pm
But surely it's only proof of 'a' purchase, not necessarily a class 68 :confused2:
After all, the bank statement won't state what was actually purchased.
Sorry, but I'm not au fait with such :dunce:
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on July 08, 2018, 09:43:38 pm
Correct, but thatís not your problem. It would be for the retailer to disprove if you were claiming a purchase fraudulently.

Iíve never actually had it disputed (and obviously have always been genuine).

Itís likely to become more commonplace with the rise in contactless purchases which often donít produce a receipt.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: GWR-Kris on July 08, 2018, 11:28:59 pm
cheers all fortunately I managed to find the card receipt so will dcc supplies a call tomorrow. thank you
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: terrysoham on July 20, 2018, 08:02:27 pm
Has anyone successfully attached a bogie to the chassis?   Please donít suggest that they are a push fit.

Regards
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Paul-H on July 20, 2018, 11:02:47 pm
It's the reverse of what you did to take it out  8)
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: marco neri on July 26, 2018, 11:49:21 am
Hi,
Arrived my two 68ís in Scotrail livery....all in order, buffers, handrails ecc.ecc.
....maybe I was lucky..a very Excellent runner.....FANTASTIC model IMHO....
Greetings from Italy.

Marco
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: njee20 on July 26, 2018, 11:54:17 am
I don't think anyone's reported them running poorly have they (Chris's faulty one aside)? Everything I've seen has praised them for the running qualities.

I have found haulage comparatively poor, I've reverted to a 66 on my Megafret rake as the 68 was a little toothless.
Title: Re: Dapol - Class 68
Post by: Newportnobby on July 26, 2018, 12:30:02 pm
68 was a little toothless.

Many are sadly, but they can't afford dentures :no: ;)