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Title: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 04, 2015, 08:55:44 pm
This is my new layout using a lot of parts from my old un-completed layout "Radcliffe North Junction".
I am using the modified fiddle yard as a basis to work from with 1' x 3' modules fixed to the fiddle yard with dowels and clamps. This is the first pic of the completed fiddle yard.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28312.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28312)
Here is a pic with a couple of boards attached so you can see the plan.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_28068.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28068)
I have made a couple of 3' modules out of the old baseboard and also a 4' board which I hope to build a small station. I also intend to make two 90 degree corner modules so when connected together I will be able to watch trains go by. Here is one 90 degree module I have made.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28548.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28548)

Today I have been finishing the dropped module which is for the viaduct, I have salvaged the back scene I painted. That is something else that need working out when joining the boards, continuation of the scenery.,I have figured the wiring connections and track etc. Here is a pic of the viaduct section part completed.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28709.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28709) , bit more planning is needed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2015, 09:23:13 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. I reckon you're already feeling a lot happier with the new layout.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 04, 2015, 09:52:03 pm
Coming along well. Looking forward to seeing more.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 04, 2015, 10:21:39 pm
Thanks guys, once I sort out a few teething problems I will be ok.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 04, 2015, 10:25:19 pm
    :hellosign:  good Start Chris looking good.  :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 05, 2015, 08:46:27 am
That's a great start Chris.
Do keep the updates coming.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2015, 04:59:53 pm
Very glad to see such excellent progress already, Chris. I think this layout will be much better thanks to your previous experiences and look forward to seeing it develop and trains running on it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jonclox on September 07, 2015, 11:03:29 am
 :thumbsup: A good looking start lil chris   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 09, 2015, 09:06:17 pm
I did not do much last night, guilty of watching the football. I am working on the viaduct section, I need to get the floor section fitted so I can place the viaduct in position. I am presently trying to use part of the old river bed,It seems a shame to waste the work I did on it. Waiting for glue to dry and hopefully will be able to lay some track over the viaduct this weekend. The weather forecast for weekend is bad,if they have it correct so no excuses. Pics to follow later if all goes to plan.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 09, 2015, 09:13:55 pm
Waiting for glue to dry and hopefully will be able to lay some track over the viaduct this weekend.
I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for glue to dry.  Or if it's not glue it's paint !
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 09, 2015, 09:58:32 pm
Waiting for glue to dry and hopefully will be able to lay some track over the viaduct this weekend.
I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for glue to dry.  Or if it's not glue it's paint !

I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for inspiration ???
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 09, 2015, 10:03:16 pm
Waiting for glue to dry and hopefully will be able to lay some track over the viaduct this weekend.
I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for glue to dry.  Or if it's not glue it's paint !

I seem to spend a lot of time waiting for inspiration ???

Look at some pictures of a real life railway for inspiration (or other model railways).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 09, 2015, 11:14:53 pm
Bit more progress tonight, waiting for more glue to dry now. It is a bit of a bodge but I have managed to fit in part of the old river bed. Quite pleased with it to be honest,it would have been a shame to bin it.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28906.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28906)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 10, 2015, 11:03:56 am
Looks really good to me.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 10, 2015, 08:38:40 pm
Looks really good to me.

And me :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jonclox on September 11, 2015, 11:40:48 am
Looks really good to me.

And me :thumbsup:
and me  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2015, 06:10:28 pm
Looks really good to me.

And me :thumbsup:

And me. I agree it is great to be able to re-use at least part of the river under the viaduct, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2015, 12:30:06 am
Thanks Guys for your support, I would have been a shame not to use it. Last night and today I have managed to add a nother piece of wood to complete the river bed, a little set  g clamps from B&q for £3 where very helpfull. I have also updated my profile tonight to list the new layout post on my signature. More work to do tomorrow or Sunday, pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 12, 2015, 05:37:34 am
I hope you have a productive and enjoyable weekend, Chris. I plan to get on with the goods yard area and the nearby fields at Cant Cove.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Maurits71 on September 12, 2015, 08:20:36 am
just cached up with your treat, top job, superb looking viaduct.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2015, 11:13:59 pm
bit more work today, fitted the floor section to the baseboard. I realised after fitting that I needed to modify the viaduct, I have straightened it a touch so it will fit easier. I now need to modify the floor section so the viaduct will fit, it would have been easier If I had not fitted the floor to the frame, pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2015, 06:14:55 am
I'm constantly readjusting the station area, at Cant Cove, Chris, if that's any consolation, as i work as the vision in my head alters. I'm looking forward to the pictures.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2015, 09:00:47 pm
I have managed some more work tonight, not laid the track yet, the viaduct is still in a state of repair and with straightening it a bit I have had to adjust the floor section to fit. I have fitted some small boards on the back of the Fiddle yard section, I do not want the trains falling off the back and I have re soldered a feed joint that was loose. I have decided to fit a pair of folding legs on the viaduct section at one end, so I have fitted a baton to fit the legs too. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_29152.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29152)
a pic of the boards on the fiddle yard.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_29153.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29153)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2015, 09:31:23 pm
Thanks for the updates, Chris. The viaduct looks fine in its new position.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2015, 12:44:39 am
No work yesterday, I was working in a house with my son, which backs onto the wcml which was a interesting experience. I have today fitted legs to the viaduct section and fitted the bus wires, I have also made up some female connectors to fit to the end of the sections, they now need wires soldering into them to connect to the bus wires. also painted the new  river bed section before applying layers of varnish.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2015, 07:23:55 am
Looking forward to the next updates, Chris, in due course.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2015, 09:58:48 pm
I have soldered the female connectors and fitted to the boards, also connected wires to the bus ready for the track feeds. Hinged legs also fitted to the module and a bit of removing some board for future easy access underneath to the feed wires. I realised once the scenery was in place it might have been difficult to get too. The viaduct is now in its final position I need to make a island in the river for one pier, it will be easier if I do it before laying the track, I can then place the viaduct in it correct position and fix in place, then lay the track. First pic the module connectors for the bus.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29427.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29427)

Pic of the legs fitted and the viaduct in place, you can see the connectors ready for the next module.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29428.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29428)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2015, 10:31:06 pm
Nice to see it's progressing well, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2015, 02:16:19 am
Very nice work, Chris :thumbsup:
I do have a couple of concerns, though.
(a) is the box labelled 'Point Motors' full? :worried:
(b) looking at the number of mains plugs you use, does the rest of Radcliffe have a blackout when you start work on the layout? :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 17, 2015, 08:41:10 pm
Thanks Mick, re your concern over power usage do not worry only one of the plugs you can see is for the railway and that is a extension lead...he..he. The points motor box has quite a few motors in mostly Cobalt slow motors I did have a big junction with a lot of points on my old layout. I intend to build a station board which will be 4' long x 1' wide, which should give me a bit of scope for a decent station, it could be made wider by another 6" if required I have not decided on the station yet. I might base it on "Bury Bolton street" or possibly "Ramsbottom", not decided yet. I have been working on another 3' board today which will have another lowered section, If things go to plan I might be able to fit the Monkey Bridge off my old layout. A problem I have is the folding legs are a little high I need to build some sort of adjustment into the legs. I do not want to go down the path my late father made when a chair kept rocking and he kept chopping bits off legs, lucky the rest of the family where vertically challenged.More pics to follow later.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2015, 09:15:59 pm
Chris,
These guys provide a really good service at a very reasonable cost and do a range of adjustable feet for baseboard legs.........
http://www.stationroadbaseboards.co.uk/cart_feet.htm (http://www.stationroadbaseboards.co.uk/cart_feet.htm)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 17, 2015, 09:42:49 pm
Thanks Mick, I have already bought some dowels off them and intend to buy some catches. I might try to keep the cost down and make some sort of leveling system myself.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 17, 2015, 10:55:07 pm
I don't know what they are called but there are special nuts that after drilling a hole in the end of the leg you can hammer in. They have "claws" on them to grip the wood. Then use ordinary bolts as feet to level everything up.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 17, 2015, 11:15:40 pm
Thanks Mito, I know what you mean. When I was working at near the wcml earlier this week, I was helping build some Ikea units and they had them. That would be a easy way to make adjustable legs and probably cheap too, I already have a selection of bolts.

Here is a pic of the another 3' module, I have adapted it from one I made a few weeks ago. Thats the beaughty of  N gauge you do not need much of a drop for effect.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29463.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29463)

ps I have just been on the website mick gave they only charge 0.99p each its not worth messing about.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 18, 2015, 08:51:49 pm


ps I have just been on the website mick gave they only charge 0.99p each its not worth messing about.

Those were the nuts I was trying to describe :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 18, 2015, 11:02:06 pm
Hi again, yes Mito they look the same plus they come with nice feet too, I bought a couple with brkts so I could fit them too the existing legs. I have bought some more dowels and some catches. I have decided to try and get all the baseboards operational and fitted together all with the bus wiring in place and then maybe I can start to lay some track and possibly get a complete continuous run. I will of course need to decide what kind of station to build. Re the new module, I have been measuring up I do not think the monkey bridge will fit which is a pity it is very low lying, I want the enbankment at a decent height and do not want to compromise the height,I may be able to fit in a level crossing though on one side, which will be convenient seeing has I have two kits lying around somewhere. I am happy with the the way the layout is taking shape It should be a good run when I have completed the boards, and longer than the old layout while being more managable, I hope, those famous last words......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 19, 2015, 06:56:17 am
Sounds good, Chris. A pity about your 'Monkey Bridge' though. Maybe you'll find somewhere where it will fit later?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2015, 07:41:18 pm
After all the work you put in on the 'Monkey Bridge' it would be a great shame not to fit it in somewhere, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2015, 07:47:04 pm
Certainly hoping that the bridge re-appears somewhere Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 19, 2015, 08:36:21 pm
I hope you can fit it in too. Could it be modified to fit?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 20, 2015, 12:14:57 am
Thanks guys for your support, I will possibly fit the monkey bridge  in somehow, I am still playing around with idea's regarding the scenics. Today I have recieved the feet and more dowels from Station Road Baseboards, only ordered Thursday night what excellent service. I have also been out for some more wood and managed to buy a 25m drill bit for the dowels, I had used one which someone lent me but it was not accurate enough for me the holes were slightly large. I also meant to order one off Station rd Baseboards but I forgot to  click add to basket, must be a age thing. I had made a little jig out of a piece of wood to make sure they all line up and I fitted some dowels tonight using the correct drill bit and they where spot on straight away. I bought too feet with brkts so I could use the legs I made out of 2x1, to save wasting them, and I have fitted them to the new 3' module. I will make new legs for the other 3' module. I will hopefully post more pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 20, 2015, 11:51:38 pm
More work today, I have fitted the legs I made the other day (2x1 legs),I scrapped the hinged legs idea, with the adjustable feet with brkts and fitted to the new module. I have made a new pair of legs and fitted the medium adjustable feet, I pinched the nuts of the feet with brkts as I did not need them,it is easy to use a screwdriver with those to adjust the height. I superglued a nut to the bottom of the medium adjuster so you can use that to adjust the height easy. I use a simple  template/pattern to line all the boards up for drilling the holes. I do not need legs on the corner sections if I put legs on both ends of the 4' board,so that is the next job 4 legs,I already have the wood.1st pic the pattern(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29572.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29572)
this is a adjustable foot medium size.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29568.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29568)   same foot fitted to the leg(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29571.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29571) note the bottom nut glued to the adjuster
Here is the thin legs I made fitted with the feet with brkts,saves throwing them away.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29569.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29569)
Finally the new board with the legs fitted.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29570.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29570)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 21, 2015, 07:44:31 am
Looks like a good solid piece of work, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: paulprice on September 21, 2015, 08:03:30 am
Someone who is skilled in the black art of wood work  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 21, 2015, 09:59:05 am
Good to see it coming together, Chris. I see you used the posh pattern makers dowels rather than the bullet dowels I bought, but mine work OK in conjunction with the latches seen in your 2nd pic.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 21, 2015, 09:15:18 pm
Highly sophisticated! The legs with the brackets and the nut glued on look good but I wonder if a nut screwed down from the top onto the bracket might not be a good idea to give a lock nut effect. Belt and braces :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 21, 2015, 11:15:31 pm
Hi Mito, if you look you can just see the remaining nut ( they come with two nuts) under the top of the brkt which is also threaded so that acts has a lock nut against the brkt. I have been a bit busy with maintainance of my fish tanks and the filter on my main tank broke, so I had to go and buy a new one.
So tonight I have done a bit of painting plus added bus wires to the new module. Tomorrow I am expecting some more bits from Station Road Baseboards, a few more of the feet and catches, enough to finish the job. So plenty to do tomorrow in the woodwork department. I can not wait to lay some track  it would be better if I can get a full run so hence finish the baseboards first.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 22, 2015, 11:34:23 pm
Hi guys more boring stuff today woodworking making legs then painting etc. I did realise that  1' wide is not enough for a decent station so I have added another 6" to the width of the 4'' station module, I am having to patch it together with bits of plywood but that is no problem. That board will have it own integeral folding legs, figured it out tonight and put a plan in to action. I also need to make the other "L" shaped board to complete the continious run, it's all coming together now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 23, 2015, 11:19:21 pm
Woodwork continues today, after making and then painting the legs I have fitted them too the 4' board, I have also widened the board to 18" wide which I think should be ok. I have even painted the legs I made the other day for the 3' board. Here are a few pics of progress so far just one corner board to make and I can put them all together and hopefully start on the track. Not made my mind up about the track joins, I think I will go with the well tested route of screws and the track soldered to them, I had thought of gluing the track but it is too risky, I want it right first time.I am trying to keep the track as straight as possible over the joins so that should help, no angled track.
First pic is the 4' module, I am having to patch it with pieces of ply.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29645.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29645)
second pic the 4' module looking from the end(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29646.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29646)
third pic is the 3' module with its legs now painted.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29648.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29648)
and finally a overall view of the layout, the corner and the 4' are not joined yet just placed in position, you can see the space waiting for the final section.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29647.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29647)
by the way the legs on the 4' module fold up and fit inside if required, although that will not happen too much.

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2015, 05:34:46 am
Not long now until the 'Fishplate Finger' phase, Chris >:D ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2015, 10:44:22 pm
Yes Mick, I am looking forward to that this time, it should be easier than the junction I built with 2 crossovers and two slips etc, ie 13 point switches. It is going to be a lot simpler this time, must admit I have learned a lot from my previous layout. For one the feeds are being soldered to the sides of the track and then disguised later, it makes it easier to lay the track. I just need to get to grips with soldering the track to screws at the ends of the boards, having never done that before. I might practice first on a couple of bits of track. The idea of this layout is being able to split it into sections, easy to work on individual sections and If I move home in the future, easy to move. I will make the final corner board this weekend, I have fitted dowels to the other boards. I need support stays for the 4' board the legs move to much, now where is that old pasting table, I better not let swmbo see me get it out or I will end up decorating somewhere.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: ColinH on September 24, 2015, 11:06:21 pm
I just need to get to grips with soldering the track to screws at the ends of the boards, having never done that before. I might practice first on a couple of bits of track. The idea of this layout is being able to split it into sections, easy to work on individual sections and If I move home in the future, easy to move.

I have just been doing this with an extension to my layout (must post some stuff to my own thread soon) and used Zinc and yellow passivated Turbodrive woodscrews 2.5x1.2mm from B&Q. Placed track in desired position across board joint, mark and remove necessary sleepers, mark line of rail onto board then insert screws. Adjust screw head to correct height so rail sits on top of screw without lifting sleepers from board. Tin screw head and bottom of rail. Reposition rail and apply soldering iron. When ready cut through rail and it should be perfectly aligned. Had no problem with the soldering at all  :claphappy:

Did all that and then split and lifted boards so that I could start wiring and oh dear  ??? think I placed the screws too close to the board edges because some of the soldering has come undone and will need to be redone. I have no room to move the boards apart before lifting as they completely fill the space between the front and back walls of the shed. Am thinking of putting a couple of screws under each rail to give a sounder connection. Hope they will be hidden by ballast then.

They say we learn by our mistakes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2015, 11:40:05 pm
Thanks for that Colin much appreciated, I plan to separate most boards to store the layout when not in use, that is why I have made it modular. The thought occurred to me I could use the station module on its own with just a fiddle yard as well for quick running sessions, so getting the track lined up is important to me, thanks again.
 I will have to think how I am going to disguise the joins between boards too, a road bridge over the railway that lifts off seems a common way of doing it or possibly a tunnel entrance just before the join. I have not started to lay the track yet so that is a way off.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 25, 2015, 09:10:21 am
  :greatpicturessign: thanks for sharing your inspirational woodworking skills.
regards Derek
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 25, 2015, 08:59:43 pm
Another way of fixing the rails is to use vero board as used for electronic circuits. Solder a couple of centimetres to the rails remembering to remove a bit of copper between the rails. It will need some filling under the board then glue it too the baseboard. A very strong method.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 25, 2015, 10:56:44 pm
Thanks Mito, I think I have some vero board somewhere from a disused project. I have bought some screw now has suggested by Colin. All the Clubs seem to use the screw method with there exhibition layouts, it seems to work.
Today I went to B & Q and bought the above mentioned screws plus a new pasting table. I then smuggled the table into the house while swmbo was out and then cut the old table up and pinched the bars off it and the two hinges. here is a pic of the 4' module now with the bars on, I used two so have two spare. Also in the pic is the corner board in place complete with back board and catches fitted.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29684.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29684)
Note the trestle under the corner board, that now has the pasting table hinges.
And thanks Derek, my woodworking skills are not has good as I would like.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 25, 2015, 11:01:02 pm
Good to see that you're making fast progress, Chris. Keep the updates coming, please. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 26, 2015, 09:11:24 pm
Chris, one thing I've just thought of. You might already know about it, is if you are running the track across the join between modules then cutting the track, it's an idea to put a thin spacer between the modules so that when the track is cut, the spacer can be removed and the track lines up without a gap between the modules.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 26, 2015, 10:49:18 pm
Thanks for the tip Mito, I will try that. The first join is between the fiddle yard and the first 3' module with the viaduct, they will be on different circuits so I want seperation but also good running across the join, The station board (4') will also be on a different circuit breaker. I not done much on the layout today, I have been re organising the loft room, moving the furniture around, I want access past the layout if possible so I do not have to strip it down after every session. I intend to make the final corner board tomorrow then that will need painting than I can have seroius fun. Before I lay the track I need to decide on the configuration of the station, I am looking at two stations that where in the area,well they both still are on the East Lancashire preservation railway, and doing a track plan based on them both. Bury Bolton st  is quite nice but has no goods facility because there was a seperate goods yard's and sidings away from the station, while Ramsbottom has a goods yard and a goods shed on the other side plus a bay platform and a single slip at the entrance to the station. I want a small goods yard at the station plus possibly a bay platform, Bury has both like I said but no goods.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 26, 2015, 10:53:18 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Combining the best of Bury Bolton St. and Ramsbottom (both of which I have visited over 10 years ago) sounds an excellent plan.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 26, 2015, 11:04:32 pm
Thanks for that Chris, maybe I could call the station Ramsbury....he..he
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2015, 06:45:03 am
Thanks for that Chris, maybe I could call the station Ramsbury....he..he

Actually, Chris, I think Ramsbury sounds a very good name. Maybe, you could have a silhouette of a ram cut into the hillside above the town? 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2015, 03:09:32 pm
not so good today worse than yesterday,i have a bad cold. ironic i go for my free flu jab tomorrow.just taking a lem sip then might force myself to go make the final corner board.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2015, 06:46:26 pm
I hope you feel well, again, soon, Chris, and are able to continue work on your model railway.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2015, 08:49:35 pm
Well I managed to force myself, I have made the final corner module and have even painted it with primer. Not much choice really, it was make the board or watch the dreaded x factor with the wife, I can not stand that program.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2015, 09:02:55 pm
Excellent progress, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 27, 2015, 09:34:50 pm
Railway modeling is an excellent cure-all. Take care of yourself and get better soon. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 29, 2015, 12:45:40 am
More painting today of the final module(for now). I have also been looking at the viaduct module, it would be a good idea to do the scenery behind the viaduct before I fix it in place and with track. I am making a small pipe bridge to go over the river, I have taken pics of a local one which is a arch with support rods and is made out of concrete. I just need something to disguise the wood frame behind the viaduct especially where it goes over the river, you will not be able to see it close up I just need something to give the elusion of a bridge,work in progress.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 29, 2015, 06:16:53 am
I guess you must be feeling better, Chris, as you're still working away well on your layout. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 29, 2015, 11:32:15 pm
Yes a bit better Chris, I think the worst is over. I have been tyding the rom today, two stones in one, at the same time make more room for the layout so I can set the full layout up when I start to lay the track and not havve to worry about taking it down so I can get out of the room.
I have been working on the viaduct section too the wood frame at the back of the viaduct, I have made a small pipe bridge. There are a couple round here going over the river's, they are made of concrete and form a arch with hangers for the lower section which supports the pipe. It looks ideal to disguise a square shaped piece of wood. I made the concrete arch out of black mounting card with some bits of wire painted to represent the hangers. Also more varnish on the river especially at the front which is a new bit that needs to be patched in. Pics to follow when it starts to look like it should.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 30, 2015, 07:31:04 am
Good to read that you'e starting to feel better, Chris, and progress on your model railway continues at a good pace. I look forward to the photo. updates in due course.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 30, 2015, 07:56:41 am
Looking forward to seeing track in place in due course Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jpendle on September 30, 2015, 10:35:44 pm
Hi Chris,

Just picking up on this thread again and its looking good. With regards to the station name, how about Tupsarse. I beleive that's what the locals called Ramsbottom back in the day.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2015, 12:22:42 am
Thanks guys for the comments, and John I see you are in America but you are correct, that is a name used in refference to Ramsbottom, obviously you are from over here to know that. Another is Heywood is known has Monkey town and people from Wigan are Pie eaters. I  must stress that pie eaters is a name used not in refference to pies, I do know the story.
Well today on my railway I have been working on the first the viaduct board, a bit more painting. Also more woodwork on boards, I fitted back scenery boards to another module and fitted catches to connect the boards. I am setting all the boards up with bus wires and connectors and catches etc. I can then set all the boards up ready to lay some track, then the fun begins. I have realised I should get a decent station on the 4' board, because the corner boads either side of the station, if I dedicate them to each side I actually gain nearly 1' extra length including curves and how I plan the station. Quite a few stations in the real world have curves leading into the station. I am just exploring all my options as usual I have not made up my mind or planned it yet.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 01, 2015, 10:22:43 am
Curved platforms always look far better than straight ones to me, but it can be very tricky avoiding a huge gap twixt platform and rolling stock - MIND THE GAP!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2015, 03:17:36 pm
I have been working hard this afternoon, busy fixing up the modules, all connected together now. they do connect so my measurments are not too bad but the second corner board needs support, i will make another trestle if i have the wood. pic to follow later when i am on my computer. now i can start the track plan,where is that anyrail, i need to learn it all again.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jpendle on October 01, 2015, 06:10:47 pm
Hi Chris,

You're right I'm a Keaw Yed by birth.

With regards to curved platforms, I think in N, unless you use very short wheelbase stock there would be a oversize gap between the platform and the stock, or you need very large radius curves, you could do something line Wigan NW which is on the straight middle section of an 'S' curve.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2015, 07:52:47 pm
If I am right John P , Keaw Yed means you come from Westhoughton.
I am not really looking at curved platforms, I made a small station on my last layout and there was a gap on them and it was a pain in the ****. Just thinking I can just make a station fairly long before the lines curve at each end, I do not want the train track look.
Here are a couple of pics of my now connected baseboards, only two joins do not have catches. That would be difficult anyway, they would have to be fitted above the board and disguised by scenery because of the shape of the boards. I need to finish the bus wires round the station section and then it will be track laying time, I hope.I am glad my measurements are ok and the boards join, they were all made separately and then fitted together.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_29920.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29920)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_29921.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29921)  you can see on the boards leading into the corner modules, the track is on the outside of them. One is over a viaduct and the other is a embankment both too the outside edge. So that should enable me to have nice sweeping curves in the the station module, and maybe not both hidden, I may get away with just one tunnel, you have to have at least one tunnel.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 01, 2015, 09:23:35 pm
Looking excellent, Chris, and I can't wait to see all the 'above board' stuff taking shape :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2015, 10:53:24 pm
Thanks Mick for the kind comments. Working even more tonight, I have soldered the bananna sockets ready for mounting to the boards, need to fit bus wires to the boards. The bananna sockets are used with short leads to connect each board to the next, the station board will have it's own circuit breaker.
Glad to have finished the soldering, not my favourite job.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_29934.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29934)

just realised the layout foot print is now 7' x 8' , aprox 214x244 for our continental friends.The wife will go mad she thinks I was making it smaller....he..he.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 02, 2015, 11:35:17 pm
I have been working on a plan for the station, tried to do it in Anyrail but messed up and give up this time. Here is a scan of a drawing on good old pen and paper. On the drawing below is a alternative to the first using a slip instead of two points, the station is a mix between Bury Bolton st and Ramsbottom stations. Bury had a separate goods yard, Ramsbottom's was next to the station that is why the combination of the two. I have a slip spare but if I use the other plan I am short of a rh point, loads of lefts,I do not want to buy any if possible.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 03, 2015, 01:39:21 am
This will be a cracker of a layout when complete. Just mind your head when cleaning the track under the apex...Lol :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 03, 2015, 09:00:41 am
Looks a great layout Chris and looking forward tom seeing some track laid.
Glad to see you are a man after my own heart using pen & paper for the plan - far easier than computer software (but then that's just my opinion - others will think otherwise).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 03, 2015, 08:49:18 pm
Looks good :thumbsup:
You suffer the same problem as me, always a point short. Use the double slip and be done with it
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2015, 01:05:03 am
Thanks guys for the comments, I went to Wigan show yesterday which I enjoyed, no work on the railway had a rest. Today I have finished wiring the connector sockets, fitted two buses on the corner boards which was easy. I have also been thinking about the plan for the station, here is a pic of my hand drawing, it was done freehand so the real thing should have smooth curves. The line to the right of the station from platform 1 which is the top platform, no 4 being the bay.I am undecided about yet it depends if I can fit the single slip before the right curve. If I can fit in the slip I get the best of both options, If the slip will not fit I will just keep the outside line. At Bury the line from platform one joined the down line under a bridge for the station buildings and then a road( Castle street) but there was a slip after the bridge to allow access from the up line to the goods yard which I am not modeling, my goods yard is going to be at the front as per my drawing. Anyway let me know what you think especially any errors in my plan.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30109.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30109)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 05, 2015, 06:49:14 am
Looks good to me, Chris. However, the best way to check it is to assemble the track and run some trains around it before fastening everything down. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 05, 2015, 06:58:09 am
All looking good. Nice Wigan mugshot, too.  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 05, 2015, 09:26:47 am
Bearing in mind the outer (Up) line runs in a clockwise direction it seems there is no access to the goods yard from that line :hmmm:
If that's your intent then it looks fine, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2015, 01:37:37 pm
Thanks Mick, If you look at my plan the up line actually runs anti clockwise and the top track is the down line from Manchester. Bury station had a slip after the station which allowed access to the goods yard which was to the east and north of the station. Ramsbottom station the goods yard is where I have placed on mine, south of the station, there was a goods shed north of the station, where I have platform 4. Access to the goods shed meant trains backing over a single slip and then drawing forward back over the same slip to the goods shed, or drawing forward,( the wrong way along the up line) to access the goods yard south of the station. The way I see it a pickup goods trains could stop at platform 3, and the shunter would take wagons off via the crossover and then shunt them into the goods yard via the up line. I believe Bury station platform 3 was electric( 3rd rail)has well has steam and platform 3 was multi directional and possibly other platforms. I have pics of the electrics in platform 4 has well, coming out of the station towards Manchester there was of course crossovers to allow the trains back onto the correct line.  The electrics stopped at Bury and did not travel any farther, I remember going on a DMU from Bury to Bacup which was the end of the line in the sixties.
I have thought about trying to put a slip and crossover in before the station but it would make the curves tighter which I want to avoid. At the end of the day I only have so much space and compromises have to be made.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2015, 04:16:30 pm
More work this afternoon on the viaduct module,I would like to get the viaduct in position asap then I can lay the track over it.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30113.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30113)
I remembered today to use the glue gun instead of keep waiting for pva to dry,had it for years and hardly used it, knowing my luck you can not buy glue for it anymore.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 05, 2015, 04:39:19 pm
That looks to be excellent work Chris.
Looking forward to seeing the viaduct itself in place.   Hope it's long enough! :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 05, 2015, 08:44:14 pm
If you move the station slightly to the left you ought to have room for the slip. Moving it I don't think will foul the base board joins.
Looking forward to more photos.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2015, 11:37:25 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone, would you believe it I have modified the plan again. The left side of the station is staying the same I have even laid a piece of track for the up line round the curve towards the viaduct, annd a joining piece to be soldered, 2 screws in place ready for soldering. I have decided I can shorten platform 3 slightly and fit a point at the end plus another crossover before the baseboard join. I will still keep the 3rd line going round the outside, it should make a bit of operating interest and with the second crossover plenty to do for the station pilot so I should not get bored.here is my third version of the plan which I think I will probablly use.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30131.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30131)

By the way the squares are 1 foot for refference,the layout is 8' across the width.the station section is 4'.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 06, 2015, 08:29:53 am
Thanks for the updates, Chris. Your station plan is quite similar to Cant Cove as regards the position of the bay platform and sidings and they work fine for me. I look forward to the next photos.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 06, 2015, 12:08:55 pm
thanks Chris thats good to know, I think the plan is straightforward, nothing too complicated.I have been out today and bought a couple of points,plus my local model shop was good enough to swap a un used point for one I require for the plan. I had a curved right point that was broken, I have repaired it but do not trust it. I intend to lay some more track tonight so pics to follow possibly later.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 06, 2015, 10:51:29 pm
I have worked hard again tonight, some track laid and 3 baseboard joins using screws and the track soldered to them. I need to cut the track with a cutting disc or a razor saw. It is a first time for me using this method so another learning curve, has far  as I can see its the positioning of the screws that makes the most difference and then tinning the screws.I have just got time to do a bit more on the scenics on the viaduct module before I go to bed, then hopefully it will be dry tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 07, 2015, 03:55:28 pm
Providing you're cutting straight tracks with a razor saw, I find it's best to make a wooden block with slots cut into it to hold the rails in place and then saw down the edge of the block and through the rails.
Never tried cutting curved track with a saw and don't think I ever would.
Xurons have always been my best friends for cutting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 07, 2015, 07:45:09 pm
Good luck with the cutting Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jpendle on October 07, 2015, 10:05:41 pm
The hardest bit about using a cutting disc is getting a true vertical cut.
My (knock off) Dremel tool has a larger diameter than my cutting disks, so if I try a straight cut the Dremel body will hit the tracks first. I find I hav eto come in at a slight angle and then use a file to get a perpendicular edge.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 07, 2015, 10:42:37 pm
HI everyone. John I know what you mean, when I tried cutting with my Dremel copy Rotacraft, you can not get a straight cut the answer get a bigger disc. I managed to buy one from Eileens emporium at one of the shows and I tried it, the only thing is if it stops because of too much pressure you have to resist the temptation to lift it too much or you can end up with a double cut. I made that mistake more than once. Someone suggested putting a spacer between the boards and that was good advice. I put some card between and when I removed it the rails were almost touching ok if  the boards are on the same section. I am planning on having the  the station board on a separate circuit breaker so had to carefully grind a bit off the end of the track.I have done 6 joins and 3 still need cutting yet, no rush.I had thought of cutting with a razor saw, that is what I used to use with a block of wood with two slots in it, I found out the hard way years ago about cutting the track with a saw. Here are a couple of pics, with a bit of luck I might be able to run a couple of trains at weekend.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30162.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30162) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30163.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30163)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 07, 2015, 10:56:41 pm
Hi Mick,Thanks for the tip about a wooden block, I did know about that.  I stopped using a razor saw soon after buying the Zuron's and that is all I use nowadays, but i was not sure about using them in this situation.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 08, 2015, 01:04:18 am
Chris, I think you are saying that you have a problem getting a straight (vertical?) cut when using a dremel type disk to cut with.  I have had the same problem with those discs.  The diameter of the disk is smaller than the diameter of the body.  However, if you can get your hands on a flexible drive, the diameter of the remote end is smaller than the cutting disk so it's possible to get a good right angle cut that way...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 08, 2015, 05:12:24 pm
thanks Allan, but i have managed ok with a bigger disc, must admit it would be easier with a flexi drive. it would also have been easier if the disc was not vibrating, I realised I was using the wrong size collet in the tool,once I started using the correct size it was a lot easier. I have cut two more joints this afternoon with no problems, I am laying the track and the feeds has I go along,track over the viaduct this afternoon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 08, 2015, 10:49:46 pm
Here are my latest updates. I have finished all the joins between these three boards, the last cuts were the easiest after using the correct size collet in the Rotacraft. I have laid the track across the viaduct from the fiddle yard and it then curves into the station. I have fitted 4 point's and soldered feed wires were required up to where the first point of the crossover. That was the most difficult to add a feed between the two points especially with a insulated joiner between them, the feed wires are all hanging below the baseboards waiting to be connected to the bus. I have not wired the bus for the station module yet, I thought I would leave it till I have done all the feed wires, I can keep the feed wires has short as possible that way. Here are a few pics, in higher definition than I usually post. Trains to run by weekend at least to the station I hope.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30176.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30176)  this is a overall view of work so far
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30177.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30177) pic of the track joining the fiddle yard from the scenic section
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30178.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30178)
two pics of the viaduct, it needs a bit of work repairing.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30175.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30175)  you can see the track is not straight across the viaduct, I manged to keep a slight curve.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 08, 2015, 11:01:31 pm
Looking good :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 09, 2015, 09:30:34 am
Looks great Chris and the viaduct looks fine now we can see it in relation to the layout.
Lookinbg forward to seeing something running.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 09, 2015, 02:20:18 pm
  :hellosign: thanks for sharing, coming along really nice   :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on October 09, 2015, 02:28:19 pm
To my mind, every layout should have a viaduct, it seems to help stamp some authuticity on the layout and your certainly does that Chris, looking good.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 09, 2015, 11:49:21 pm
Well Tonight I have wired up the track on the viaduct section and the corner section and run a loco over the viaduct and too the edge of the station. No problems going over the connections which is a good sign. I have had them all disconnected so I can turn the boards/modules over to do the soldering, wow that is so easy better than crawling on my back.
Caz you are correct, all layouts should have a viaduct ,I still have the video of my dmu going over the viaduct,so after the work I have done on mine I had to fit it in somewhere. Thanks Port Perran and Cornish Yorkie for your comments too.
Of course things will be better when I can run a train through the station and right round back to the fiddle yard,but after the small test today at least I know things are going to plan.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 10, 2015, 05:57:37 am
Glad that everything is progressing well, Chris. I look forward to the next photo. update. Alas, I have no room for a viaduct but then there weren't any in North Cornwall.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 10, 2015, 06:21:00 am
Like the viaduct, Chris.  :thumbsup:

You've done a pretty good job with backscene, too in my book.  :thumbsup:

I don't know why, but for some reason, I prefer painted backgrounds over the photo ones. I think it's a hangover from Denny's Buckingham branch.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 11, 2015, 01:19:47 am
Thanks Bealman, would you beleive I went to see the Late Rev Dennys layout at a EM gauge show at Partington, Manchester last month. I specifically went to see that layout, If I wern't modeling N-Gauge that's what I would model. The show was good and I got some good ideas. The Rev Dennys layout was good made before all the bits you can buy now, I would think all scratch built. It was worth going I have always wanted to see that layout after reading about it years ago when I was a young pup.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 11, 2015, 01:27:53 am
Tonight I have been working on the station module electrics. I have installed two buses, down line and up line/goods yard, I had the circuit breakers so it made sense to use them. The two tracks are only joined by two crossovers and they both use double insulated joiners any way for the live frogs, so it made sense to keep the tracks separate. I am trying to be neater and number my wiring too and nearly all feeds are to be soldered to the bus wires. All the track and the point motor switch feeds I have made so far are now soldered to the bus wires. I figured If I do it this way it will be less boring, I am also making a diagram as I go along so hopefully I can make some sense if anything goes wrong. I will post pics possibly tomorrow night.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2015, 01:32:54 am
Thanks Bealman, would you beleive I went to see the Late Rev Dennys layout at a EM gauge show at Partington, Manchester last month. I specifically went to see that layout, If I wern't modeling N-Gauge that's what I would model. The show was good and I got some good ideas. The Rev Dennys layout was good made before all the bits you can buy now, I would think all scratch built. It was worth going I have always wanted to see that layout after reading about it years ago when I was a young pup.
Great! I am extremely envious!  :envy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 11, 2015, 10:40:37 pm
This is the latest pic after today's work,track through the station laid feeds added where required, they need soldering to the bus. The siding off platform 4 ( the top left on the plan, top right on this pic) has been expanded over onto the next board, it was not long enough to old a dmu. Some of the feeds need connecting to the bus wires and I also need to lay the track for the goods yard. I am going to finish laying the track round the next module before the goods yard, the intention to get a continuous run round to the fiddle yard.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30321.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30321)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2015, 11:08:35 pm
Really starting to take shape, Chris.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2015, 03:54:42 pm
Excellent progress, Chris. Soon you'll be running trains, again. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 12, 2015, 08:47:07 pm
Looking good. You're making good progress. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 13, 2015, 10:17:07 pm
Not made much progress since Sunday, I was ill yesterday had a flare up, I am ok now but it stopped me in my tracks yesterday. Today I have wired up the feeds on the station module, next job is laying track round the next corner module and onto the embankment module/fiddle yard and then soldering the track in place and connecting feeds to the track. It is then a small matter of fitting point motors to all the points, I will probably run a couple of trains to check all is ok first.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 13, 2015, 10:41:04 pm
Glad you're feeling better, Chris, and should be running trains, again, soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 13, 2015, 10:50:48 pm
Thanks Chris, I should be back to 100% tomorrow, I will then crash on with finishing the track laying.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 14, 2015, 09:50:51 am
It is then a small matter of fitting point motors to all the points

Rather you than me, Chris :worried:
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Post by: paulprice on October 14, 2015, 11:03:01 am
For me its a task worst than ballasting
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 14, 2015, 11:38:12 pm
Hi everyone, today I had a good walk this afternoon in the sun while we still have it, tonight back to the railway. I have laid track on the embankment module from the fiddle yard, this is where there are 3 tracks and one point. I have soldered both ends using the screw method again, I am getting quite used to it now. I need to lay the track round the curve and into the station from the other end, then we have a continious run....whoop he..... Slight problem my camera has packed in this afternoon,  it has been playing up for a while but knocking it again did not help. I think it will cost too much to repair so might give up on it, pity it was good for videos too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 14, 2015, 11:57:28 pm
I will be fitting anolouge Cobalt motors to all the points on the scenic section of the layout and they are easy to fit, especially if you use double sided tape, and I bought some 3m tape for the job. They are easy to wire just two wires for the motor plus two feeds and your frog wire from the point if you are using live frogs. You can get a jig to drill holes for the motor etc, but I centralise the motor first and the point( with Cobalts it is better to remove the spring)then with using the tape just line it up with the tie bar,press it up to the board and Bobs your uncle. You can of course use  screws to secure the motors after if you want, but that tape sticks pretty good, you do need to paint the base board first if only where the motor is going. I have painted all the boards on my layout with it being in the loft.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 15, 2015, 04:20:43 am
For me its a task worst than ballasting
I'd agree there.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 15, 2015, 12:05:59 pm
Sorry to read about your camera dying on you, Chris, but very glad to read of your fast progress. Fortunately, I'm not planning to use any point motors for a while but will do so, eventually, at least for the small fiddle yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 15, 2015, 11:58:43 pm
Hi everyone, more progress tonight. I have laid the 3 final tracks out of the station leading onto the embankment module. All track soldered and joints cut using a cutting disc, I need to now add feeds for the track I have laid today, I should then be able to run a train on a continious run.......hooray. I bit the bullet today and bought another camera, I bought the same make to save learning all over again plus this one is waterproof,dust and sand proof and shock proof so it might stand more of a chance than my last two cameras so pics here of my progress. first the last corner section with three tracks, this is probably going to be a tunnel of some sort.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30428.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30428)
next pic is from the station looking towards the corner secction.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30429.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30429)
and last is the embankment module with the mainline joined by a loop before joining the fiddle yard.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30430.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30430)

So more soldering to do tomorrow then install a few point motors and the worst job has far as I am concerned is ballasting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2015, 07:09:21 am
That's really quick progress, Chris. I look forward to seeing some trains running; maybe, this weekend?
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Post by: Mito on October 16, 2015, 04:23:11 pm
Looking good and fast progress :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 16, 2015, 10:48:36 pm
Thanks everyone, I have made more progress tonight. I have soldered feed wires to all the tracks on the corner module and some on the embankment module. Not many left to do, then turn the boards over and connect all the wires to the relevent bus. One thing I did spot while placing the feeds, I forgot to put insulated joiners on the point for the loop on the embankment module, lucky I spotted that it would have caused a instant short. I am now looking forward to the forum meet tomorrow at Bamber Bridge.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 17, 2015, 12:50:15 pm
Thanks for the latest very positive update, Chris. I hope that progress will continue at the same speed and that normal train services will be resumed very shortly. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 18, 2015, 12:49:50 am
Hi guys more soldering feed wires tonight, I thought I had done them all and connected up. Straight away I knew I had a problem, the two circuit breakers had different led's lit so one had a fault. I checked the manual and it is the down line that has a short so I need to check all feed wires are correct, I have one point motor and frog connected, disconnecting the frog did not get rid of the short so the motor is not the cause. I also found a piece of track on the embankment module that was dead, I had not added any feed wires so that will be easily sorted. Also some cleaning was required on a point out of the fiddle yard, it is the only one with a live frog and I have not connected a switch yet but the point should still work anyway without a switch. It is of course relying on contact between the blades and I found with testing it worked one way but not the other, cleaning of the blades has sorted it for now. It shows why it is better to wire the frogs through a switch for reliability and not trust contact of the blades alone. The way my system is wired I can just connect the faulty module and test it till I find the fault, hopefully it is something or nothing like I have wired a feed wire the wrong way round.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 19, 2015, 12:28:43 am
Good news I found the fault, all points had the reqired ij's so checked feeds, two wires the wrong way round and one not even connected, sorted plus wired the piece of track with no feed. Then I fitted 7 cobalt motors, I now need to wire up feeds to the motors for the frog wires. I have ordered a digital motor to put on the embankment loop point, this can then be operated by the controller via dcc and I can hacve a simple switch on the board I can press, the best of both worlds. I have also ordered a Delux Materials ballasting kit, I am going to try that hopefully it will make a job I hate a bit easier.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2015, 12:59:28 am
Sounds like you're making good progress, Chris. Keep us posted!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2015, 12:02:16 pm
Delighted to see such fast and positive progress, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2015, 12:15:17 am
More progress tonight, first I wired up all the frogs to the point motors which I also fitted with feed wire's. The motors are not wired up working wise but the frog polarity is correct. Only one point on the embankment section needs a motor which I am waiting for delivery from Sheffield. I did a quick check and no shorts were showing so I thought why not have a test run. I have run my new Jinty with a small pick up  goods and my new 4F with a short passenger excursion. I got them running reasonably, cleaning the track has required and decided to video the event. Forgive the shaky hand but have you tried controlling two locos at once and the video camera, I am not that good at multi tasking......I had to scrap the first attempt a couple of wagons disconnected them selves on the goods train. I managed to get the Jinty over the point with no motor or springs using the hand of god to hold the point closed. a couple of videos for your amusment.! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJfJXXxJ9g#)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2015, 12:20:04 am
here is a second short video of the jinty over the viaduct.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5wrkBRfzM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X5wrkBRfzM)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 20, 2015, 07:48:01 am
Very good to see trains running Chris.
That Jinty looks good passing over the viaduct.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2015, 09:19:48 am
Wahey! :claphappy: We have trains.
I bet that's good for the soul, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2015, 09:47:55 pm
I am still waiting for the new point motor for the embankment module and some ballasting stuff, so tonight I have fixed some lights up so I can see in the fiddle yard, it was in the dark. I have also started to lay the goods yard track, I need to know where all the motors are going to be so I can keep some sort of order to the wiring. I was quite pleased with the first test session, only one join gave any concern,and that was one of the first I did. I will give all the track in the fiddle yard a good clean, it's not been in use for ages then I can have regular running sessions..hooray...
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2015, 11:28:26 pm
thanks for the comments, I like the 4f going over the viaduct. If you listen carefully you can hear the clickity click has it goes over the joint before the viaduct, it's tempting to cut the rails all over the place.
 I could not resist, I have also layed the double slip and bay platform track and the head shunt track and added feeds to both tracks, track glued down with weights, thats enough for tonight.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 21, 2015, 08:35:13 pm
That's looking great. Nice seeing the viaduct being used! :thumbsup:
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Post by: rog on October 21, 2015, 09:24:32 pm
Looking good Chris. The Irwell looks a bit clean though!  ;)
Are you going to able to squeeze the duck pond in at the 'Whitefield' end of the bridge?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2015, 10:21:58 pm
Thanks for the comments, tonight I have been working on the goods yard track. A short piece of curved track from the slip then the three way point. The station is based loosely on Bury Bolton Street, which is now used by the East Lancashire  preservation Railway. Of course has I have said before there was not a goods yard on the same site has the station, it was down the line at Castlecroft, the building/goods shed now a Museum.
I am not sure which duck pond you are referring to Rog,there is room in the left corner. I had thought of another point and a siding leading to a engine shed in the same direction has the head shunt but decided to keep to the first simple plan.I am now waiting for the glue to dry on the curved track, it will be firmer when ballasted of course. I am planning on ballasting the sidings using something different, possibly some black sand,I think I can get some from the aquarium.I have some clay but that is terracotta so would need colouring. The station booking hall will be above the tracks leading onto a road bridge with a covered bridge from the platforms. The real Bury station had a large building  on the bay platform,p1&2, which used to be the East Lancashire railway HQ, now demolished. The preservation railway has a brick building on the platform with waiting rooms and I plan on doing something similar, with a ramp to the right side from the road leading down to the goods yard. I have also fixed the live frog point on the fiddle yard I managed to fit a switch in situ but I had to centralise the point by moving it slightly to get the switch to work correctly. I might post some more pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 23, 2015, 01:23:12 am
A update, today I recieved the new cobalt digital point motor. I installed it on the point but I could not figure out how to get it too work or program it. after going on line and looking on the NCE site I found something similar tried it and it worked, sorted now. I cut the rod and was a bit careless and nicked the point, it should be ok, I should have put a light on it was in the dark. Tonight I have also pulled up the slip,threeway point and the sidings I layed, I was not happy with them they were too far to the right. Trouble is I have now run out of cork and copydex so another visit to the model shop and B&Q is called for.
Good news I managed to buy the Metcalfe covered footbridge from my modelshop so I now have that to build.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 23, 2015, 10:06:05 pm
More work tonight, I have re-laid the slip and the head shunt, then a small piece of track plus the three way point, the bay platform track and one of the sidings. I had a slight problem there was a slight dip in the board where I had extended it a further six inches. Putting a cross brace across underneath would not have solved the problem so I have glued a piece of mounting card and then the cork which seems to be ok. I might add a brace later when all the point motors are in place, I am now waiting for the track and copydex to dry,no rush I want it right first time. There are tins and all sorts holding the track down so no new pics yet.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 24, 2015, 01:07:51 pm
Thanks, Chris, for the latest update. Progress seems to be going very well. Looking forward to the photos. in due course.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 25, 2015, 01:06:50 am
More work tonight, it's all boring stuff fitting point motors to the slip and 3 way point plus adding feeds for frogs to them etc, I just had enough point motors. The threeway point was awkward to say the least,  I had a feed on the track before the point where I wanted to place the point motor so a bit of scullduggery was required. I am going to use a hex frog juicer for the slip and threeway point for the frogs, I have two of them so I might has well use  one, it simplyfies the wiring too. The next big job is to make a new control panel for the station, the points will not be working till I do that apart from the digital point on the embankment. I also need to finish the wiring to all the point motors ready for the control panel. When the layout is all connected I can at least run trains round I just can not switch the points in the station. I want to make sure all track and points are working before I start to weather and ballast the track.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2015, 01:24:07 am
Just took a look at the Jinty crossing the viaduct.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 25, 2015, 01:35:10 am
Hi Bealman hope you like, I prefer the 4F going over the viaduct myself. I need more work on the track yet like fitting sleepers in the spaces but I want to get everything running and reliable first. I will try and do some more videos of some of my stock a better test maybe something with a small wheels like my 2mt or black 5, we shall see.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 26, 2015, 11:45:24 pm
I was going to post a video today but when watching the video I noticed some errors in the track before the viaduct.  So I have sorted that tonight  plus I have painted the track with Railmatch sleeper grime so I need that to dry now. Yesterday I put some sleepers in the spaces next to points, that is a hard job I disturbed one of those dreaded insulated joiners on a point and had to pull some track up to fix it, it''s enough to make you swear.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 27, 2015, 09:28:19 am
I look forward to seeing the vid, Chris
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2015, 09:41:28 am
Glad to read that progress is continuing at a fast pace, Chris. I am afraid that I have yet to slide the 'dummy' sleepers in place (not having used Code 55 before I have sort of forgotten them) and already have quite a lot of track more or less fixed in place. I hope that I can remedy that at Christmas. I have also not painted any track or sleepers as I need to find a German (maybe Czech?) stockist of 'Sleeper Grime' or its equivalent as paints, etc., cannot be posted from the U.K.

I'm also looking forward to the video.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 27, 2015, 05:02:59 pm
I made a mistake in I placed some feeds where i need a sleeper, so i glued a pce of sleeper imbertween the track and small pieces on the outside, it should look ok after I have laid the ballast.....I hope. I am also going to try some dry ballast glue, you mix it with the ballast and then after spray it with water, should be a lot easier to lay around the points.
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Post by: Sprintex on October 27, 2015, 05:26:57 pm
... so i glued a pce of sleeper inbetween the track and small pieces on the outside, it should look ok after I have laid the ballast.....

That's how I did ALL my infill sleepers, far easier than trying to slide whole ones under the rails and once ballasted you can't tell the difference ;)


Paul
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 28, 2015, 12:06:05 am
Thanks for that Sprintex I feel happier about it now, like you said once its ballasted you won't know. Tonight I have been working on the control panel, I dismantled the old one first and tried to salvage the switches and led's, some I had to use the soldering iron, I think I knackered one of the led's but its no problem I have some more. I have cut the size of the box down for the panel it was way to big. It was going on sliding runners on the old layout so did not matter but on this layout I am planning on hanging it on the front of the layout somehow, it will be removable with a printer cable connecting it to the module. I used hardboard with the old panel but I am going to the local sign writers tomorrow for some of their board, I have a piece but it is not big enough, its easier to use and cut holes in than hardboard plus it's white.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 28, 2015, 09:19:00 am
I am planning on hanging it on the front of the layout somehow, it will be removable with a printer cable connecting it to the module.

Hi Chris,
I built a control panel last year, drilled 2 holes on the back of it then filed upwards to make a 'keyway' slot such that with a couple of round headed screws on the baseboard front I could locate the screwheads through the holes then slide the panel down the slots to hold it in place. It is very easily slid upwards to release it from the layout.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 29, 2015, 12:02:59 am
Thanks Mick I had thought of doing it that way. Today I have been working on the control panel, finished modifying the box this afternoon, then I could not find the tape so a trip to Halfords was called for. I have made the diagram and fitted some switches in place, the board this time was a bit thicker than last time, I wanted to cover the front with perspex so I need to find another way of covering the panel. I need to do some more soldering now with wires to the switches and fit some led's, thats a job for tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 29, 2015, 01:22:21 am
Can anyone help with n-gauge dimensions. Forget this post I managed to find something.

with this www.elginmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/2010/articles/advice/standard-railway-modelling-dimmensions.html (http://www.elginmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/2010/articles/advice/standard-railway-modelling-dimmensions.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2015, 12:32:58 am
I have finished the control panel tonight, lots of soldering and a bit of swearing fitting the switches and led's. It is made from the old box but has been cut down in size. It is not has good has I would like it to be but it will do. I had wanted to put perspex on the top over the panel but the board was to thick for the switches in the end I have covered it with acyalate sheet ( probably spelt that wrong). It was a bit of a messy job but it does not look to bad, I have made sure to number all the wiring this time inside the box.
Here are a few pics. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31051.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31051) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31052.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31052) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31053.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31053)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on October 30, 2015, 08:57:18 am
Looks good to me Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2015, 10:09:06 am
Looks fine to me, too, Chris. If it does what you want it to do that is all that really matters, IMHO.
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Post by: Mito on October 30, 2015, 06:34:18 pm
Tidier than mine! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 30, 2015, 08:37:22 pm
Cracking job, Chris, and very neat wiring as well :envy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on October 30, 2015, 09:30:32 pm
A great control panel, Chris.

Oh, by the way, in relation to the videos, I never looked at your 4F one because it came up as "no longer available" however when I clicked on that out of curiosity, it worked!

Yes, I like the clickety clack sound too.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 30, 2015, 09:46:47 pm
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: thanks for the update
regards Derek
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 31, 2015, 11:24:03 pm
Thanks for the comments, I have been hard at work. Have wired the point motors now under the board and then done some testing. I could not get motor No 1 or No 11 to work plus two where the wrong way round which was easy to sort. I had to swap the motor for number 1, I could not get it too work, strange it works on the bench ?. I decided to leave it last night to have a look tonight, it did not take long take a look at my pic see if you can spot the mistake.No excuses but it was turned 12.30 am when I stopped working last night. here are the pics of the wiring including a pic of the mistake....(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31123.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31123) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31124.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31124) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31126.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31126)

Well did you spot the mistake...........
no wires from the switch.
All the points are now working correctly but I have decided to modify the wiring, I had a short while testing which shut the layout down, a loco had derailed but not on the station, so decided to wire the other sections into a separate circuit breaker, I should finish that tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 01, 2015, 09:33:11 am

Well did you spot the mistake...........


I'm a complete electrickery numpty so I guess you were having a laugh there, Chris :-[
It's no wonder I have a mental block when it comes to doing wiring and will find any and all excuses not to get started :help:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2015, 11:43:26 am
You seem to know about wiring for DC layouts Mick, I tied myself in a knot on a old layout years ago with the switches etc for sectioning. Of course there is no need for that on DCC but there are more than two wires, my control panel is the old type with switches anyway, I prefer it that way. I have a digital motor on the embankment section but I am planning on a local swich next to it anyway. If you want some help with the wiring let me know you are not that far away from me.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on November 01, 2015, 03:19:05 pm
Think we've all been there at one time or another, I know I certainly have, spend hours working out why something doesn't work and find you missed one of the connections.   :-[
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2015, 08:24:37 pm
I know what you mean Caz, sometimes a fresh pair of eye's help's, I spotted the mistake after a night's sleep.

Tonight I have finished wiring the modified bus connections, now all trains on whatever section operate through a circuit breaker. I have also painted some of the track with Railmatch sleeper grime ready for ballasting. I am now going to run a few trains for testing purposes only mind you, possibly a video if all runs well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2015, 11:53:11 pm
Just had a testing session, it was a bit frustrating to be honest. At first wagons or coaches kept un-coupling which is annoying especially when it is the nearly new ones that are the main cause. I also tried different routes through the fiddle yard and found a couple of points in the fiddle yard that are causing problems with stock being de-railed. Try making a video while all this is going on so only one video tonight, at least the entrance to the viaduct from the fiddle yard seems better. All the points are now operating correctly apart from one in the goods yard which needs swapping the other way. The viaduct will look better when the track is ballasted and fixed firmly in position. Also my Black five was playing up too I think it needs a good clean, in fact a lot of the track in the fiddle yard needs cleaning too preferably with isopropanol alcohol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqV_lXoyvwg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqV_lXoyvwg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 02, 2015, 12:59:21 am
Another good vid, Chris!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 02, 2015, 06:54:23 pm
Nice video Chris.
Track looks very smooth over the viaduct and it's good to see trains travelling at a realistic speed.
Do take time to iron out any glitches (such as the uncoupling you mention) as it will be worth it in the end.
I've never fathomed why I can run a train round the circuit on Trepol Bay a dozen time straight off and then a wagon/coach mysteriously uncouples on the 13th circuit.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2015, 12:34:14 am
Hi everyone another testing session tonight after I thought I had fixed the fiddle yard track problems this afternoon. On checking this afternoon I replaced one point which was faulty and everything runs over that superb now. The other point on the exit from the fiddle yard on the left, I re aligned the track,it is a live frog point the only one on the fiddle yard. The cause of the derailment was a insulated joiner not keeping the curved track in line. I fixed that but inadvertently introduced another problem when I moved the point slightly. The peco switch does not work again now, they need to be absolutely central for the live frog to work, I will have another play around with it tomorrow. At the end of the day I could replace the point with a new insulated code 80 point like the rest on the fiddle yard. I have managed to make another couple of videos, notice most of the traffic is on the down line because of the problems with the up line point. Sorry about them not being very good and a bit shaky, I tried to use a mini tripod. I need to get to grips with the fiddle yard tracks, once I start using the layout proper I will have different trains on each siding track, I am still struggling looking at the mimic diagram and which switches to operate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUHLPaQ30T4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUHLPaQ30T4) in the second video the Jinty waits with a pickup goods for the DMU to pass.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKCDPdq-lGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKCDPdq-lGE)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2015, 08:01:56 am
Hopefully you get it all sorted to your satisfaction soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 03, 2015, 09:43:30 am
Great to see trains running after your major layout reconstruction job, Chris, and I hope these niggles can be sorted very soon :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bealman on November 03, 2015, 09:49:04 am
Yet another enjoyable video, Chris. :thumbsup:

You're doing the clickety clacks yer teeth, aren't ya.  ;D

George
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2015, 05:33:16 pm
i am pleased you like the videos Bealman, thanks for the comments about my teeth it does get cold in the loft. I have give up with the switch on the point it was so intermittent in the end there was a hex juicer doing nothing so it is connected to that now, saved buying a new point. I can now concentrate on doing some ballasting and scenery.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 03, 2015, 06:03:08 pm
Nice videos :thumbsup: The fingers looked busy in the second video. :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2015, 11:52:01 pm
Like I said tonight I have done some ballasting on the viaduct section and the embankment section plus a track through the station, I am taking my time with it I want it right. I did try using a ballast disperser but I seemed to be wasting a lot of ballast so I have gone back to taping the side of the track and using a spoon and a soft brush. I am using Ballast Magic this time it should be easier and should have set hard by tomorrow, I am still taking care around the points. I have also filled in some gaps at the end of the viaduct, I can then sort out the walls for the viaduct. I have placed a order with Hattons for some station platform edging, my local model shop did not seem to stock it anymore, to make the orrder worthwhile I have also ordered a road bridge, I need two one for each end of the station, I do not want them the same.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 04, 2015, 11:23:42 pm
More ballasting today, I have more or less finished the embankment section, just a bit of tidying up maybe required,I have also ballasted another section in the station.
 I was also having problems when testing my system with a short with the point with the switch which I reported I have fixed. The main problem was the whole system tripped even though the short should have only caused one section to trip not the whole system. I have been on the NCE Yahoo groups and found the answer, I have reported on this on the DCC board in case it is of help to anyone else. Here is a pic of the embankment ballasting still with the masking tape,I think  it looks ok. I found it a lot easier using the Delux Ballast Magic and it seems to be working fine.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/14/thumb_31357.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31357)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 05, 2015, 05:58:35 am
Thanks, Chris. What exactly is Delux Ballast Magic, please?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 05, 2015, 03:20:37 pm
Hi Chris Delux Materials Ballast Magic is a ballasting glue, I bought the kit from Gaugemaster but you can buy it on it's own. It is a powder glue which you mix with your selected ballast, I am using Woodland scenics fine dark brown. You then lay your ballast has normal, using which method you prefer then you spray the ballast with water.I used the fine mist bottle supplied in the kit but you could use a plant mister bottle if you have  one,you leave it to dry for a couple of hours. If you decide you want to move a piece of track you can spray it again to loosen it and move the track, must admit I have not tried that yet.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 05, 2015, 09:17:39 pm
Mnay thanks, Chris, for that very useful explanation. I have still to do the ballasting as I have not had the wiring done. I will be using a mix of dark brown ballast including some Woodlands Scenic but also some German and real Cornish dark sand to make something tht I hopoe will resemble SR Meldon Quarry ballast. I should be able to pick up a cheap plastic icing sugar shaker and a plant mister bottle locally so I just need to buy the Delux Materials Track Magic ballasting glue. I hope that I can find a German supplier.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 05, 2015, 10:37:54 pm
Hi Chris, I have done some more ballasting tonight this way is far easier than using a dropper or a syringe. My intention is to finish all the ballasting, then I need to track the layout again especialy after the circuit breaker mods, hope it all works fine, here's keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 06, 2015, 08:11:54 am
Thanks again, Chris. That's very good to know. Whilst it is illegal to post glue (and paints) from the UK, it isn't from Germany and the post is quicker (but more expensive) being next door so I will search for a German supplier of the WS glue.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 06, 2015, 11:03:48 pm
Hello again, today I have done some more ballasting, nearly finished now only the goods yard but I am planning on doing that different, I want it to resemble cinders. I might have a testing session tomorrow to check the track and electronics, I spotted a possible problem with one of the crossovers where it has two insulated joiners. It looks like one of the points has moved out of line slightly I have bodged it so a test is required to make sure all is well. Once all track is checked for good consistant running I can start with the scenery, station platforms are probably first. I am still waiting for the Hattons order I placed Tuesday night, they are not has good has they used to be, they seem to want you to pay extra for next day delivery now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 07, 2015, 05:44:28 pm
Today I have done some mor testing, the electronics are now working properly. I have two faulty points, strangly both No 11, one on th fiddle yard and the other leading into the station on the left corner board. I can not see anything wrong with the point on the fiddle yard, it is a insulted frog point and it is causing a short, it might be slightly damaged in some way, I have a spare point soI will swap it. The point on the corner is a curved point and maybe the track has been disturbed by some ballast, I have made some adjustments to it. The crossover I also adjusted is now working ok, the only track not ballasted is the goods yard, The only other problem I can see is the double slip in the goods yard it looks a little high in the centre so that might need pinning  or possibly weighing down while the glue sets after I have carefully ballasted it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 07, 2015, 06:06:05 pm
Sounds like it's coming on well :photospleasesign:
When you've finished your ballasting, would you like to come and do mine? :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 07, 2015, 06:08:11 pm
I also look forward to the next update photos., Chris, so that we may admire the results of all your hard work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 07, 2015, 06:47:48 pm
Hopefully some more photographs soon Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 07, 2015, 07:17:48 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, I will post some pics soon. Mito sorry but I do not even have a passport so no chance of doing your ballasting I can recommend Deluxe Materials Ballast Magic it makes ballasting a lot easier especially around the points.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 09, 2015, 10:00:20 pm
I have swapped the point on the fiddle yard and made sure the joins are ok and tested the 4f loco over all the points to make sure all is working. I did find sometimes if the loco is going slow which the 4F is capable of doing, it sometimes shorts on the insulated frog points, I have also seen a spark from one point. I do not understand the reason for this I have checked with my tester but there are no faults with the wiring. Unless its the back to back on the loco that would be a mystery has the loco is fairly new. Has anybody experienced anything similar?.

Well back to the work I need to wire two led's to indicate a fault on my station board then I can get back to the scenics.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2015, 12:48:42 am
More trouble, its getting to me a bit now but I will not give up the corner curved point is intermittent. Sometimes a loco goes round ok the next time is does not, I may have to re lay the track preceding the curve if I have too. On the other hand I have added led's to the re set panel for the station circuit breakers, on a short they illuminate, saves keep having to crawl under to look if they have tripped. Also I have swapped the point in the fiddle yard all tracks and points now work although sometimes the insulfrog points trip up no idea why.
here are a couple of pics. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31698.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31698)
pic of the troublesome point(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31699.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31699)

a short video here of the 4F travelling light going over the viaduct, I think the driver is in a hurry to get home for his tea.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wJA55ibRgY#)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 10, 2015, 07:14:35 am
I do hope you get it sorted Chris. You will benefit from getting it right longer term if you persist now.
That 4F is certainly in a hurry !
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 10, 2015, 07:18:36 am
I do hope you get it sorted Chris. You will benefit from getting it right longer term if you persist now.
That 4F is certainly in a hurry !

Seconded, Chris. Keep on keeping on! It will be worth all the work to have everything running smoothly.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 10, 2015, 08:45:28 pm
Walk away from it, do something else, and come back tomorrow. The problem could be solved by then. The 4F was certainly in a hurry. Possibly something was on offer when the driver got home. :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2015, 11:40:08 pm
Well I am not one to give up, tonight I pulled up the curve track preceding the point and added in a small section of track altering the curve has it approaches the point. I glued it down with copydex and left it for a while, then I placed the 4F on the track and tested that section. It shorted once but not again after moving the point with the motor, then the loco backwards and forwards about 6 times. I have now re ballasted the track. It is no big deal the track not being absolutely parallel round the curve I need to leave room so the coaches do not catch each other with overhang etc. I will leave it to dry now overnight and test again tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2015, 08:24:57 am
I hope the adjustments will have solved the problem, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 11, 2015, 05:13:45 pm
thanks chris, I am planning another test session tonight,we shall see how it goes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2015, 05:15:40 pm
I look forward to the results, Chris, and hope they will be positive.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 11, 2015, 09:54:14 pm
well I have done all I can do now, it still fouled on the point on the odd occasion. I have tried filing the rail slightly and I think that has sorted it, I might relocate the motor just to make sure it is putting enough pressure on the moving rail. I have started on the scenic work anyway, I am working on the viaduct module were it joins the corner module. The plan is a road bridge to cover the joint in the boards, you will be able to just lift the road bridge out so I can still separate the boards. A couple of videos of my favourite 4f again with a short passenger train.  The first video shows the viaduct and bridge  then the train successfully going over the faulty point. The second shows the train from a different angle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peyeXo5_no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peyeXo5_no)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2mGJXkFBFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2mGJXkFBFc)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 11, 2015, 10:02:58 pm
Looking good Chris.
I think we all get anomalies where things derail or wobble from time to time so I'd go with it now.
Looking forward to the scenic work progressing and more pictures.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2015, 10:05:22 pm
Thanks for the update and videos, Chris. I hope that you have managed to permanently cure the problem and can get on with the scenic work, now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 12, 2015, 05:11:48 pm
Looking good. Yes, leave the point. I have some hiccups too. Nice videos. I think the 4F is one of my favorites too. I have two old GF ones. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 12, 2015, 07:25:42 pm
yes i have a old 4F too from early 90's which i have had converted. it has a digtrax chip in it and runs good but not has good as the new one which has a Lenz silver chip. I might try it tonight see how it runs, possible video coming.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: paulprice on November 12, 2015, 07:35:22 pm
how do you post videos? :worried:
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Post by: Caz on November 12, 2015, 07:39:05 pm
Upload them to YouTube or Photobucket etc and provide a link on here.  They take up far to much room and bandwidth to be hosted on our server.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 12, 2015, 09:00:42 pm
Thanks Caz you beat me to it. I load mine through youtube.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 12, 2015, 09:40:22 pm
Upload them to YouTube or Photobucket etc and provide a link on here.  They take up far to much room and bandwidth to be hosted on our server.

Dropbox is another host I use for vids :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: mickster04 on November 13, 2015, 01:35:08 am
If you use Youtube 2 things i often see
1) change the link from https://youtube (https://youtube)..... to http://youtube (http://youtube) this allows the forum to show the video in the thread rather than it just being a link.
2) don't use youtubes built in stabilisation tech (we noticed your video might be shaky, want us to fix it?) it doesn't work well for model railways as it treats the moving trains as shakes and does really weird things!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 13, 2015, 10:18:30 pm
Only a small bit of work tonight, while I watch football, don't know why I bother though.
A couple of pics of the scenery being built.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31777.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31777) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31779.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31779)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 13, 2015, 10:34:05 pm
Thanks, Chris, for the update photos. Nice to see steady progress. The embankment by the bridge looks very close to the track though or is it going to be moved back when you fix the backboard it seems attached to?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 13, 2015, 10:50:06 pm
Thanks for the update Chris.
Not sure why I watched the football either  :doh:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 14, 2015, 11:34:57 am
thanks guys, yes I think I need to cut that embankment back a bit, I have a guide for measurements I will check. I plan to do some more this afternoon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 14, 2015, 06:49:06 pm
Only a small bit of work tonight, while I watch football, don't know why I bother though.
A couple of pics of the scenery being built.
Coming along nicely. At least you weren't in Paris last night watching football. :(
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 14, 2015, 08:44:49 pm
Hi everyone, yes Mito I am glad I was not in Paris last night. My sympathy for anybody out there in Paris, unarmed  innocent people enjoying a night out, I do not know what this world is coming too.




I will post more on the layout later.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 15, 2015, 10:24:35 pm
More progress today, I have been working on the woodwork, backboards etc. The right side  corner will be a tunnel, the station booking hall and road just before the tunnel. The top lifts off for access if required but I have also used one of the boards off the old layout which has a hinged flap, I think my hands are too small though. I should be able to place a few nice buildings on the top, I am thinking of the church on the left side and possibly use the some Metcalfe walling I have frrom the old layout. Left corner first pic(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31856.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31856)
another pic of left corner (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31857.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31857)
rh corner pic should be abble to make a (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31858.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31858) small town on here.
a pic of the top removed for access.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31859.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31859)
another pic of the corner from the station, it looks low but I do not want it too high the footbridge from the platforms needs to match up to the buildings on the top(booking hall) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/13/thumb_31860.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=31860)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 16, 2015, 09:41:31 am
Looking good, Chris. The church and the stone walling look good, in place.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 16, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
Coming along nicely. I'm all for recycling things. Saves a lot too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 17, 2015, 11:07:49 pm
Painting tonight, scenery and woodwork on the back boards for good measure, photos when It starts to look like something.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 18, 2015, 06:48:22 am
Painting tonight, scenery and woodwork on the back boards for good measure, photos when It starts to look like something.

Looking forward to the next updates, in due course, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 19, 2015, 10:43:46 pm
More painting today, two types one should get me some brownie points with swmbo, I have been decorating our bedrroom. I have been working on the viaduct, repairs to the viaduct support walls and capping stones and a bit of touching up. I have also been working on the lh corner after the road bridge it is coming along nicely. I have changed my mind about the corner I definately want a cutting,so I am making the inside of the curve gently slope down to the tracks. I also want the impression of a road leading away from the road bridge on the back scene so I am working on that too.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32089.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32089) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32090.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32090)
Just noticed a couple of white bits need to touch those up too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 20, 2015, 07:54:10 am
Thanks for the latest photographs Chris.
It is indeed starting to look very good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 20, 2015, 08:42:27 am
Coming along nicely, Chris. Thanks for the update photos.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 20, 2015, 09:34:24 pm
I agree with all above :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 24, 2015, 11:04:34 pm
I am working slowly on the scenics now, it seems to take some time for the filler to dry even with a heater on in the loft. I have given the corner cutting with the church mounted on the hill a dusting of flock, more work is needed. I have placed a order this afternoon to Peedie models for some gravestones and more stone walling. The grave stones are the unpainted ones, I noted they also do pre painted ones too bit that would take some of the fun out of it. Once the grave stones are in place I can plant some trees. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32288.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32288)
The church was cut down for the previous layout but I have now restored it to full size, I also have some static grass to try as well so that should be fun.The church is a Metcalfe card kit.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32289.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32289)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 25, 2015, 08:01:49 am
Looking very nice Chris. I like the scenic side of things so will be keen to follow your progress.
I too find that filler takes a while to set so patience is the key - and not laying it too thickly.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2015, 02:46:18 pm
Thanks Martin, I did make the filler thin so I could spread it over the plaster bandage so it varied in thickness and like I said the loft can be chilly to say the least. Peedie models messaged me last night t say my order had been dispatched so with a bit of luck they may come tomorrow. Today I have been to B & Q for some ply wood for the edge of the station board I had it cut too for free. Once I have that in place I can start on the station too. There will be two walls one either side of the station with bridges going across so I need the side boards so I can make a start.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 25, 2015, 08:23:00 pm
Hope you got your Wednesday 'Silver Shopper' 10% discount, Chris ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 25, 2015, 08:30:38 pm
Hope you got your Wednesday 'Silver Shopper' 10% discount, Chris ;)
I always go on Wednesdays for the discount. Plus getting them to cut timber is well worth it. I always get them to cut the larger sections for baseboards. Saws and I don't really mix !
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 25, 2015, 08:42:32 pm
Hope you got your Wednesday 'Silver Shopper' 10% discount, Chris ;)
I always go on Wednesdays for the discount. Plus getting them to cut timber is well worth it. I always get them to cut the larger sections for baseboards. Saws and I don't really mix !

Yeah - you can hardly move in B & Q for whitetops or, in my case, no tops, on Wednesdays but being an old fart has to have some benefits, eh? :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Zogbert Splod on November 25, 2015, 10:18:10 pm
Our local B&Q has not been able to cut timber for the best part of a year now.  I call them, around once a month, to ask if they could cut a board if I come in and buy it.  The reply is ALWAYS ,'Sorry, no. The saw is broken down. We are expecting the engineer on Tuesday. Come in after that and you will be fine.'  Possibly we don't have Tuesdays around here coz the saw is STILL not working.  That reply I quoted there is EXACTLY what the operator says, I can actually say it along with her now...
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2015, 11:23:41 pm
Hi everyone, must admit I was worried when I got to the saw room and no one was around, anyway I found a assistant and he cut them for me. So today I have fitted the boards including a cut out on the inner board for a socket to  plug my cab in. The inner one does not need to be has high has the outer board, but is needed to fit the plan of the station. I have also given them a coat of primer, the outer sides need glossing but there is no rush.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32317.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32317)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/thumb_32318.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32318)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 26, 2015, 07:53:54 am
Looks good Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 26, 2015, 05:47:55 pm
Progressing well :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 27, 2015, 11:26:21 am
Coming along very nicely, Chris. Many thanks for all the update photos.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 27, 2015, 03:10:15 pm
 :hellosign: looking good Chris, thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 30, 2015, 10:17:11 pm
It has been a bit cold in the loft over the weekend, trouble is swmbo has had the dryer on for the washing which stops the central heating from coming on unless I  turn the temp up. I have now got a small electric radiator to use to take the chill off the air,being a pensioner you have to watch your bills.  Today I have done some painting plus I have started on the station platforms, I am using Peco platform edgings which I have also painted. I think this time I will cover the tops with styrene sheet, which I will have a go at scribing to give the effect of flags. I have also made a start on tidying up the ballasting in the cutting first and then through the station. I have now received the gravestones from Peedie models so I have primed them and painted them ready for planting in the church yard. Pics to follow in a few days.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 01, 2015, 07:08:03 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. Glad to read that progress is continuing. I can recommend the Peco platform edges. I have used balsa wood (something solid to fix lamp posts and running boards, etc., into) for the actual platforms but still have to fit the top surface. I have to decide between cardboard, Dahler board or plasticard. I want, mainly an asphalt effect so very fine grade sandpaper is a possibility for the surface with some scribed plasticard for paving stones if I don't buy readymade paving. I look forward to your photos. Once the 'electricks' are done I'll then progress to ballasting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 01, 2015, 09:38:57 pm
Thanks Chris, I am not rushing, this is one of the enjoyable but sometimes fiddly bits to do. Tonight more work on the corner cutting and to the church. Need to finish to background before I plant the trees or they will only get in the way. I have planted the gravestones, I managed to break one but glued it back with superglue. When I cut them off the spru I left part on so I could just make small holes and plant them. Fixing the fencing is one hell of a fiddly job so just a bit at a time while the glue drys..Some of the platform edging has now been glued together and painted but needs a bit of weathering although you probably will not see it, I will know, so it has to be done. Like I said pics to follow......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 01, 2015, 10:22:10 pm
Thanks, Chris, for the update. Definitely do take your time. Whenever I rush anything I am not happy with the results! I also feel that it is worth weathering the platform edges and have done so but still plan to pick out different stones in various colours typical for North Cornwall then give the edges an all over matt black weathering. Yes, fencing is a very fiddly job. Fortunately I won't have much to do; mainly Cornish 'hedges' which are stone walls with greenery on top! In general, because of their very small size, anything in N Scale should be painted lighter than it would be in full size.
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Post by: lil chris on December 03, 2015, 11:15:58 pm
I have been slowly working on the corner cutting with the church and surroundings and the station platforms over the last few days it is gradually taking shape. Re the station platforms, I have managed to make one platform from Peco sides with styrene sheet on the top with Metcalfe paving stone card glued on top of that, a littlle bit of tyding to do, ie fill a few small gaps annd perhaps a bit of weathering. I glued the platform sides to the baseboard with contact adhesive and made the tops after, making some old card into a pattern to fit. I have started to paint the platform edging's white because I believe that was started after world war 2 and my layout is based around the 60's. I intend to run mainly steam with some early green diesels.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32577.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32577)
this is the  island platform.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32578.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32578)
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Post by: port perran on December 04, 2015, 06:50:58 am
Starting to look very impressive there Chris.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 04, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
Excellent progress there, Chris. Thanks for the update photos.
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Post by: Mito on December 04, 2015, 06:06:28 pm
Looking very good. I wish I could progress as fast. :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on December 04, 2015, 08:02:04 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone, I think my progress is pretty slow. I have had other troubles a family bereavement, and water leaks around the home with all the bad weather.
Regarding the platform I did not notice the small gap on the ramp till I looked at the pic I posted, it is amazing what pics sometimes pick up or show up. I think more work on the other platform tonight.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 04, 2015, 08:15:43 pm
Very sorry to read about your family bereavement, Chris. My father died, last month. Bereavement is always shock to the system. I hope that you've been able to fix all the leaks problems.

Close-up shots are very good for revealing faults. I discovered a siding had become disconnected at a point. (Most of my track is not firmly fixed down, yet, as I'm awaiting wiring it up!) I also think your progress is quick.
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Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2015, 12:29:58 am
Thanks Chris, I have started on the main platform now, the long side was easily made with new peco stone type platform sides and I am using some old pieces from a former layout from years ago to finish round the bay platform. Would you believe I could not for the life of me remember what colour of gray I had painted the sides, I know now after I painted one the wrong colour.And damm the correct colour is Humbrol enamel which meanns waiting for it too dry.I also have ballasted the bay platforrm track and the head shunt before I put the platform in position.I can definately reccomend the Delux materials powder ballast glue, it is a lot easier than the pva & water method.
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Post by: Bealman on December 05, 2015, 01:08:29 am
Looks like plenty platform clearance there, Chris.... have they passed the 08 outside frame or Minitrix 9F test?
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2015, 07:01:38 am
Thanks for the detailed update, Chris, and the reminder about Delux materials powder ballast glue. I'm also using Humbrol enamel paint for all the stone work: Panzer Grey overpainted with very dilute light stone for mortar and weathering. This time of year, it does take a long time to dry and opening the windows to get fresh air is a very 'bracing' experience!

The Class 08 (outside frame) test is very important. Even though my platforms are set back a long way, my Class 08 only just passes safely by. The bay platform and elsewhere are fine. The BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4T is another good test loco. (a tip from Martin). I don't have a Minitrix 9F 2-10-0.
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Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2015, 04:14:29 pm
thanks for the replys, I do not have a class 08 shunter but I have made the gap 5mm and I have read it should be 4.95 so I have give it a bit of leeway.One of the platforms may be slightly more but the track is not has straight has it should be, maybe the plate layers laid the track in a hurry and wanted to get off to the pub.A bit more work to do on the main platform and then I can start work on the tunnel end.
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Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2015, 07:44:24 pm
Slight problem tonight, the light fitting in the loft has blown. I checked the starter that made no difference, put a new tube in and when I swithched on it tripped. So A possible leak in the roof, maybe the wiring has got damp which I need to check or a fault in the fitting itself. Not messing in the dark so will settle down and watch snooker instead tonight, the original plan was to do both.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2015, 08:08:42 pm
Definitely don't look in the dark for a short!
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Post by: lil chris on December 06, 2015, 03:29:04 pm
I have sorted the light, new fitting which is working good a lot quieter too the old fitting made a buzzing noise. More work on my front window too, just hope I have found the source of the leak this time,it only happens when it is windy. I should now be able to get back to more work on the layout tonight.
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Post by: Caz on December 06, 2015, 03:32:40 pm
Great news Chris, hate to think of you working in the dark, never know what might happen.   :)
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Post by: lil chris on December 06, 2015, 04:06:51 pm
thanks Caz I thought of trying last night but I am blind enough without darkness to add to it.....
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Post by: lil chris on December 06, 2015, 10:48:43 pm
More work on the main station platform tonight and also more ballast between the platforms and the track to tidy things up.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 07, 2015, 08:17:36 am
You're making good, steady progress, there, Chris. I look forward to the next photo. updates in due course.
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Post by: lil chris on December 07, 2015, 10:20:57 pm
A quick update, here are a couple of pics of the platform under construction
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32627.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32627)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32628.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32628)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 08, 2015, 06:09:34 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. Those platforms look very good. Are you planning to put working lights on them?
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Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2015, 10:06:41 am
Thanks chris, they are strong enough to support lights and i have pre driiled some holes to feed wires if i decide to later,something for a future project possibly.
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Post by: Mito on December 08, 2015, 04:49:15 pm
Looking very good.  :thumbsup: What do you use to stick the platform surfaces down?
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Post by: port perran on December 08, 2015, 05:45:08 pm
Looking good Chris.
One tip, when placing working lights on platforms I find I also need to drill down into the baseboard as the base of the lamp is longer than the height of the platform.
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Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2015, 07:58:17 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments. I intend to finish the platforms tonight.
Mito, I fixed the Peco platform edges to the baseboard using Wickes contact adhesive, then I glued styrene sheet on the top I used Rocket Plastic glue and I also tried Humbrol Poly cement,I found the Rocket plastic glue to be very thin and I wasted rather a lot of it. I then glued the card on the top using Rocket Card Glue, and filled any gaps with Humbrol Model filler. I might experiment with weathering the card colour down a bit perhaps trying a water colour wash to darken It a bit,it looks a bit too light for me.
Martin, thanks for the tip about the lights I must try to remember that If I buy some lights.
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Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2015, 10:55:02 pm
Update pics here, I have finished the platforms and have also done some work on the background behind the church, I think it is coming along nicely, maybe toning down a touch.
Platform first, the building is from a previous layout, I have a new one to build.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32706.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32706)
The church back scene, a bit more painting tonight using acrylics.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32707.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32707)
The back scene is based on a pic of Kearsley Power station taken by me early 1981, the building standing on the left on the hill is at a place called nob end and is still there today, it is next to the old locks on the canal which they are restoring.
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Post by: port perran on December 09, 2015, 07:55:37 am
Thanks for the updates Chris.
Looking good.
I hope Nob End is nothing to do with that Newport chappie ! :laugh3:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 09, 2015, 07:59:31 am
It's really coming along very well, Chris. I particularly like the area around the church.
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Post by: Newportnobby on December 09, 2015, 10:25:13 am
I like it, Chris! :thumbsup:

I hope Nob End is nothing to do with that Newport chappie ! :laugh3:

How very dare you?! :telloff:
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Post by: Bealman on December 09, 2015, 10:29:09 am
I'd chime in here but you guys are always waking up as I'm gannin to bed.

So i shall refrain lest when I wake up there are multiple  complaints.  8) :beers:
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Post by: lil chris on December 14, 2015, 12:18:07 am
A small update, I have not done much since the last update. I have started to make the Metcalfe covered footbridge, I am taking my time has I will ned to modify it slightly to fit my location. My platforms are  staggered, see the pic on my last post, so I need to plan how the footbridge will fit without obstructing the track. At Bury Bolton street, there is a extension from the bridge to the booking office on the street above the station so I am planning on something similar.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 14, 2015, 07:11:32 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. Yes, do take your time with the footbridge. Whenever I rush anything there is a high possibility that I'll make a mistake! 8-(
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Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2015, 10:04:07 pm
The footbridge is coming along but I have decided to buy another kit to add to the present kit , I need another bridge section so it will look better than my home made attempt plus I have run out of Rocket glue. I have been trying to use UHU but it is a bit stringy and does not dry has quick. The main problem with modifying the bridge is one of the step sections needed to be on the platform end slope, so a bit of heavy modifying was needed, I am quite happy with the result.I must admit UHU comes off the fingers easier than Rocket glue.here is a pic of the part built bridge, one step assy is fitted to the sloping platform.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33012.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33012)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33013.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33013)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2015, 10:15:01 pm
Looking good, Chris. Well worth the time and care taken. I hope that the sidewall for the footbridge steps that end on the ramp can be kept away from the platform edge as much as possible.
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Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2015, 10:20:25 pm
Thanks Chris, I managed to tweak the steps a little after looking at the pics. It is surprising what you do not see till you take a pic of it.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2015, 10:23:32 pm
Phew! 8-) Yes, I've noticed that, too: a close-up photo. will show you what you don't normally see. (In a photo. of a train, I found that a rail wasn't connected to a nearby point as the joiner wasn't fixed properly between the two ends.)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on December 18, 2015, 12:47:32 am
 :hellosign: Nice modelling, bridge looks excellent
regards Derek.
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Post by: port perran on December 18, 2015, 07:52:20 am
Looking good Chris.
Glad you solved your "sticky" problem  :D
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Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2015, 09:52:09 am
A cunning and well made disguise, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on December 19, 2015, 08:28:09 pm
latest up date pic for you, more work on the footbridge.A couple of pics to show the progress. Back now to watching the program on TV "The Golden Age of Steam"/ severn valley railway, seen it before but it is good.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33059.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33059)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33060.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33060)
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Post by: lil chris on December 19, 2015, 10:31:47 pm
More work on the footbridge a couple more pics.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33061.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33061)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33062.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33062)
Here are a couple of pics to give you a idea what my bridge is based on, you will notice I did not keep the flat roof,I do not like flat roofs.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33063.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33063)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33064.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33064)
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Post by: port perran on December 20, 2015, 09:10:49 am
Excellent work as ever Lchris
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Post by: lil chris on December 20, 2015, 10:30:22 pm
More work tonight, first some woodwork, wood blocks and I have made the "T" shaped piece of ply to support the high level station building. I might cut it in half yet and just have the rh side piece which goes over the track and forms a bridge/entrance to the tunnel removeable. It would then make it easier to fit in place the station building and model the approach road down the side to the goods yard. I have also done some more work on the corner section, fitting the walling to the corner after the removeable bridge.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33135.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33135)
the walling section

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33136.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33136)
This is just a pic of the blocks in place waiting for the glue to dry.
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Post by: lil chris on December 23, 2015, 12:30:04 am
More work tonight,mainly just trying to figure the best way to make the bridge and tunnel entrance and wall supports.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33278.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33278) this first pic shows the road bridge from low level behind the footbridge, you can see the support pillars must be a shade too long has the bridge is not sitting flat on the left.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33279.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33279)
this pic shows the bridge in place, it needs to a smidgen to the left. the section to the right will be fixed permanenltly in place once the scenics and walls have been made.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33280.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33280)
this pic shows the support pillars, just some round spru from a kit fixed into holes in the wood and painted black, the tops will be cut off and possibly I will make a base for the support pillars to fit between the tracks.
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Post by: port perran on December 23, 2015, 08:25:15 am
I do like your in-build shots Chris. Great to see how you approach things.
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Post by: Mito on December 23, 2015, 05:14:42 pm
I do like your in-build shots Chris. Great to see how you approach things.

Seconded. I have a load of sprues, it's given me an idea for a future project. :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on December 23, 2015, 10:24:42 pm
Thanks Martin and Mito,to be honest I just make it up has I go along. I just play around to see what things look like, If I am not happy with it I scrap it and start again. I have not made my mind up about the station buildings yet, I might just make solid walls which would be easier or make the building supported on girders/posts like at Bury Bolton street, (see my previous post for pics) .
here are the pics of progress so far.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33333.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33333)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33334.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33334)
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Post by: Newportnobby on December 24, 2015, 03:30:08 pm
That's looking good, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on December 24, 2015, 03:45:20 pm
Thanks Mick merry Christmas to you
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 24, 2015, 09:25:03 pm
Coming along very nicely, Chris. A horsebox should be departing (at last) from Cant Cove for the Northwest. Merry Christmas!
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Post by: lil chris on December 24, 2015, 09:34:39 pm
Thanks Chris merry Christmas to you
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Post by: lil chris on December 30, 2015, 01:01:03 am
Not much to report on at the moment, I have tested the 3F my son bought me and it runs on dc so that needs converting. I might have a go myself at some point there is no rush. I have decided to put the high level station building on hold while I go to Bury and take some more photos of there building. I want some of the building full on from the front. Something I failed to do when I took my previous pics, then I can work out the measurements more accuratley.I have done a bit more work on the cutting walling next to the bridge. I found some old foam and filled the gap between the wall and the back board then covered it with plaster bandage and painted it ready for planting the trees. It also needs a bit of flock and a couple more bushes, I have blended the ground paint with the backscene to attempt to make it seemless. A bit more work required yet before I plant the trees.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/10/thumb_33521.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=33521)
I should add the walling does want repairing it got damged a little when I removed it from the previous layout.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 30, 2015, 08:21:28 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. That looks very good. The ground blends nicely with the background. Once you've planted some trees and shrubs it will look excellent.
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Post by: lil chris on January 08, 2016, 11:04:04 pm
Hi everyone, I have not gone into hiding from this rain. I have been slowly working on the high level station building. In the end I printed some Scalescenes brick onto some photo paper. I bought the thinnest I could find in Staples but really it is not thin enough, it will be ok for this building and I will manage, I have delayed building it long enough. When it starts looking like I will add some pics.

Oh and Happy New Year to everyone.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2016, 07:36:26 am
Happy New Year, Chris, to you, too. I look forward to the pictures in due course. Getting started is sometimes difficult but it's not called 'learning by doing' for nothing! 8-)
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Post by: lil chris on January 13, 2016, 12:22:37 am
A couple of pics showing my slow at the moment progress,these pics were taken with my mobile phone.  The station building is being fixed to a wood base which I can remove so I can work on it. The roof will be next although I might add another window or two first. The cutting wall and trees is coming along, I think the church needs a few more grave stones before I plant anymore trees.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34170.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34170)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34171.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34171)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on January 13, 2016, 08:53:16 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. Looking very good. I agree, a few more grave stones before you plant any more trees would look good. Yew trees are very common around English church yards.
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Post by: port perran on January 13, 2016, 03:24:29 pm
Looking excellent as ever.
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Post by: Mito on January 13, 2016, 06:24:11 pm
Looking good. I like the idea of being able to remove the station.
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Post by: lil chris on January 14, 2016, 12:29:05 am
Thanks guys, here are a couple more pics on my progress. I had delivery of a parcel today, ordered before christmas which I have been waiting for. So the walling is now fixed along the back board, which can be removed for painting etc. I started work on the roof and fixed that in place with the roof boards, there is another section to go above which has skylight side windows. I need to figure out how to make that plus the roof for the shop area which is also slightly higher. I intend to make the shop front has a seperate piece, there is a going to be a shop either side of the station booking hall entrance.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34196.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34196)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34197.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34197)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on January 14, 2016, 12:46:28 am
 :hellosign: Chris  :greatpicturessign: really taking shape now
regards Derek
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Post by: Chris in Prague on January 14, 2016, 11:13:01 am
Getting better and better, Chris. thanks for the latest update. I look forward to the next. Glad I'm not the only one who has post that takes a long time to arrive and was posted before Christmas!
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Post by: lil chris on January 14, 2016, 10:44:32 pm
More work on the building tonight, unfortunately this pc can not see the pics on my phone so I will have to transfer them later, both pc's are w7 so no idea why. I have nearly completed the roof and windows, I am quite pleased with the outcome. It is my intention to use some fine gravel on the flat roofs for effect.
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Post by: lil chris on January 14, 2016, 11:14:56 pm
Here are some pics, I found out it was the cable, all cables even with same connectors are not alike.
 I also need to make some support girders out of balsa, it looks like it is stood in  mid air at the moment. Then start work on the roof itself with some gravel.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34217.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34217)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34218.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34218)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 04:36:48 am
Thanks for the updates, Chris. The station building is already looking very good. For the roof, instead of gravel (which would be overscale), why not use fairly coarse sand / glass paper and spraypaint it?
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Post by: Newportnobby on January 15, 2016, 10:05:17 am
Coming along very nicely, Chris. I agree with CiP some wet 'n' dry' would do the trick.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on January 15, 2016, 02:15:45 pm
 :hellosign: nice work Chris, looking forward to further updates.
regards Derek
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Post by: Mito on January 15, 2016, 06:24:17 pm
Looking good. I'll third the fine wet and dry. :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on January 15, 2016, 07:24:12 pm
I'd go for the wet and dry also or some fine sand spread over a base of PVA (though that may be a bit too messy).
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Post by: lil chris on January 15, 2016, 09:53:33 pm
Thanks guys for the suggestions, I have just painted the roof slate gray, it looks a bit washy, I will see how it goes. I have made two support girders, need another two or three. I have painted the two that are fitted and painted the roof boards white.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 10:08:39 pm
Because they are so visible in N Scale, I always try to spend more time on building roofs, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 15, 2016, 10:23:38 pm
That is true Chris lets face it we are always looking down at the layout. I have some fine emery paper but  it is too dark, most of the flat roofs I have seen are a gray/white colour with whitish gravel. I have some town houses across the road from me with flat roofs it is achieving the same effect that is difficult. I have some fine track gravel that I have not used, I used brown for my track. I might try crushing it to make it finer, I do not need much.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 15, 2016, 10:28:36 pm
I have successfully spraypainted sandpaper various shades of grey and black. That might be worth a try, Chris?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on January 16, 2016, 09:07:05 pm
Try talcum powder then a matt spray to seal it. Spreading it with your finger will give different shades.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 22, 2016, 12:05:16 am
A bit more progress on the hl station buildings, I think it is coming on ok.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34610.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34610)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/9/thumb_34611.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34611)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 22, 2016, 12:17:11 am
 :hellosign:  Thanks for the update Chris, excellent modelling, looking good
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on January 22, 2016, 12:32:50 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 22, 2016, 09:35:26 am
Very nice work, Chris. Well worth the time spent.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on January 22, 2016, 10:17:33 am
Good stuff.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: wookie on January 23, 2016, 09:18:53 pm
Yes, all of the above. Very nice
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 29, 2016, 09:34:33 pm
I have done more on the building since my last post. I have also done more work on the church, I have made a few gravestones out of styrene sheet to fill the grave yard a bit and also planted a few trees. The trees are Woodland scenic deciduous trees and I have bent to look more like yew trees, quite happy with the effect.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34900.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34900)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34901.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34901)
pics of the station building nearing completion.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34902.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34902)
not sure about the shops and entrance, whether they are realistic enough
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_34903.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=34903)
I forgot to mention I have fixed walling along the station on the north side, more scenery painting to do now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on January 29, 2016, 10:22:08 pm
Looking very good. I especially like the church :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2016, 10:43:53 pm
Really nice work Chris.
I love the way the church sits in the countryside.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 29, 2016, 10:57:50 pm
Thanks guys I am pleased with the church too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 29, 2016, 11:06:48 pm
 :hellosign: Chris   :greatpicturessign:  thanks for the updates & will 3rd it that church looks spot on   :thumbsup:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2016, 11:53:40 pm
Yep, the church sits very nicely in the corner there. Very Peter Dennyish.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 30, 2016, 07:21:02 am
Good morning, Chris. I agree with everyone: the church corner looks really good. Regarding the station shops and entrance. Personally, I do not think that they are realistic enough; especially when compared to the rest of the station. I would replace the front with a new one built up of prepainted layers of thin plasticard carefully glued onto clear plasticard (for the windows). It will be well worth the extra effort as you will then have a building that you're fully happy with.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 02, 2016, 08:52:20 pm
Thanks everyone, I am happy with the Church and surrounding area but the station front !. Your correct Chris thanks for being honest the station front is not realistic enough, I made the mistake of painting the card after fitting to the station front. I will do has you suggested, that sounds like a good idea and I have plenty of styrene sheet, I can use the present front has a guide for the size.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 02, 2016, 10:18:11 pm
Thanks, Chris. You've done a very good job with the rest of the station buildings so it's well worth replacing the front with one built up from plasticard. I'm sure you'll be pleased with the results.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2016, 08:49:27 am
Looking forward to the remodelled station front.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: David Asquith on February 03, 2016, 09:35:22 am
Looking good Chris.

Dave
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 03, 2016, 11:13:11 pm
I have ordered some brass doors and windows from Peedie models, I intend to use them on the new shop front. I have made a basic styrene front ready for new shop, I used some left over Metcalfe card doors on the old front but have decided not to use those. Work is on hold while the new ones arrive.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2016, 11:24:37 pm
I've not used the Peedle Models range, Chris, but brass windows and doors are a big improvement so they are well worth  waiting for, I'm sure.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 04, 2016, 09:55:28 pm
I have received my etched doors and windows from Peedie Models to use on my shop and booking office front.I have not figured out how I am going to use these, I will probably make a new piece of styrene to fit them too, the one I have made the window apertures are the wrong size. I have some clear sheet But it is fairly thick and difficult to work. I have also bought some etched railings for the top of one of the station walls.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35067.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35067)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on February 04, 2016, 10:08:30 pm
Chris, I have looked at your thread from time to time over the past months and am amazed by your rate of progress. Your detailed descriptions of your layout development are very much appreciated by me.

Well done
Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 04, 2016, 10:52:30 pm
Webbo thank you for your kind comments, must admit I have slowed a little over the last few weeks. I like posting some details on how I do things, sometimes things do not work out but I am pleased it is of help to others, that is the good thing about this site and it's members.

I am having another go at playing guitar, my son has lent me two guitars a Acoustic and a Electric Strat. So I have dug the old amp out and at the moment I am suffering with sore fingers on the left hand. But I have managed to play a tune today which is something I never got has far has on previous attempts.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2016, 08:26:22 am
Webbo thank you for your kind comments, must admit I have slowed a little over the last few weeks. I like posting some details on how I do things, sometimes things do not work out but I am pleased it is of help to others, that is the good thing about this site and it's members.

I am having another go at playing guitar, my son has lent me two guitars a Acoustic and a Electric Strat. So I have dug the old amp out and at the moment I am suffering with sore fingers on the left hand. But I have managed to play a tune today which is something I never got has far has on previous attempts.
I know what you mean about the guitar. I am learning from scratch (having never learned when I was young) and it's harder than I thought. Great fun though and I can now play (badly) a few tunes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 05, 2016, 07:21:05 pm
I wish you both success with the guitar playing.

Keep up the good work on your layouts, though.

An overhauled and repainted horse box (finally) left Cant Cove this afternoon for Wadebridge where it joined a fast goods train to London and then the East Lancashire Lines.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 05, 2016, 07:53:43 pm
Thanks Chris for the good news with the wagon, I look forward to seeing it running on East Lancashire Lines. Do not worry Chris I am keeping at modeling with the railway.


And Thanks Port Perran too, regarding the guitar I am a beginner too, I never really learned anything last time,one or two chords really. This time I made my mind up to have a good go, what helps is if you play every day for at least 20 mins. I found a good tutor on You Tube, he is based in Leeds and has lots of free lessons on-line. I have only been playing 3 weeks and can do so much already, my fingers are getting hard now too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 05, 2016, 09:09:20 pm


And Thanks Port Perran too, regarding the guitar I am a beginner too, I never really learned anything last time,one or two chords really. This time I made my mind up to have a good go, what helps is if you play every day for at least 20 mins. I found a good tutor on You Tube, he is based in Leeds and has lots of free lessons on-line. I have only been playing 3 weeks and can do so much already, my fingers are getting hard now too.
I go to lessons once a week in Camborne and really enjoy it. Trying to learn music as well. Like you, I try to do 20 mins or so per day and that definitely helps.
And Chris - don't worry. Plenty of modelling will happen over the next few weeks
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 05, 2016, 10:07:22 pm
Thanks Port Perran, I have a slight advantage over you, I can read music to a reasonable standard. I learnt classical piano when i was a child, never finished the learning which I now regret. I have a couple of keyboards here is a pic. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35093.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35093)
By the way that is my computer and modelling desk on the left.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 05, 2016, 10:11:33 pm
On the railway front I have today painted the brass doors and window frames ready for fitting. I have cut a piece of clear plastic  to size, it is quite thick but that does not matter. I can then make up the shop fronts on the front of that, I think that is the easiest way to do it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 09, 2016, 01:33:40 pm
Today a new horse box has arrived into the station,from Cant Cove and Penmayne in a small goods train pulled by a Jinty , thanks Chris.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35282.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35282)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMaL6UUIWqA#)
Sorry about the train  not stopping in the station, driver error......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 09, 2016, 01:55:31 pm
Another small video of the Goods train along with the horsebox from Cant Cove and Penmayne coming under the road bridge and past the church and through Ramsbury Station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RUeiZ-Iuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RUeiZ-Iuo)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 09, 2016, 02:39:06 pm
Chris,

apologies if you have mentioned it/talked about it earlier in the thread, but can you advise where you got the retaining wall adjacent your station please? Or is it scratch built?

It looks really good and the kind of thing I am looking for for a project.

Thanks

Scott
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 09, 2016, 06:38:29 pm
Thank you, Chris, for the photo. and video. I'm glad that it arrived safely and you're happy with it. (Post to the UK seems to be rather quicker than from.) The white insulated van could be carrying fresh fish landed at Penmayne Harbour for the local fish 'n chips, whilst the ex-LMS brake van is of a type very popular with the WR at Bodmin.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: joe cassidy on February 09, 2016, 06:55:36 pm
The station looks great Chris, especially :

1) the transition from the curve to the station throat

2) the proportions of the platforms - some people make them too long and skinny, others too short and fat, but yours are perfectly proportioned IMHO.

I wish I had as much space as you !

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 09, 2016, 07:49:18 pm
Thanks Chris, yes I think I put some wagons that go well with the horse box, would you believe that LMS brake van is well old, early 90's I think.

Thanks Joe for your comments, I have a slight problem with one of the platforms it must have moved slightly so I need to adjust it. I based the platforms on some early ones I had, but I made these with Peco side walls, I think I covered it in a earlier post. I was worried I might have made them too narrow, I made them has long as I possibly could, I should get a four coach train in easily. By the way there is going to be a road bridge crossing the track joins at the station throat, not decided how to build that yet. I might do something similar to the road bridge at the other end with support girders between the tracks, I do not think there is room for wall supports.

ScottyStitch, I bought the side walls from Conrad they took ages to arrive, to be fair I did order them over the Christmas holidays. They are made by Noch, it says exclusive to Conrad on the packing. They do two types and I have some of both.http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/overview/1605050/N-Scale-Walls (http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/overview/1605050/N-Scale-Walls)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 10, 2016, 10:27:06 pm
Here is a pic of my new shop front and booking hall entrance, nearly finished, a bit of fine tuning required.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35319.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35319)
On this pic you can see the signs from Gaugemaster, does anyone know what the long thin white sign was. I can not make out what it is, I need one more long thin sign for the cafe on the right.You can just see the circle round it I can not make out what it was with my eyes even with a magnifying lamp/glass.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35320.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35320)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 11, 2016, 07:52:48 am
Looking pretty good Chris but I'm afraid I've no idea what the long sign is.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 11, 2016, 08:47:32 pm
Looking very good now, Chris. I also don't know what that sign is. I think those signs are late 19th / early 20th century?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 16, 2016, 10:31:58 pm
These are the latest pics of the shop front/booking office, now fitted in position. How do you make a sign for the station to go above the entrance, it wants to be a Maroon British Rail type, that would fit in I would think.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35522.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35522)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35523.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35523)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 17, 2016, 07:36:46 am
Thanks, Chris, for the update. The new station building looks excellent. I can send you a .JPG of the station name as I have the BR fonts but you will need to have it printed on photographic paper. (I broke a part of the paper feed on my ink jet printer trying to print a sheet.) Just let me know what the name should be.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 17, 2016, 07:53:28 am
Looks pretty good Chris.
I make signs very simply on the computer using a very small font ( 6 or 7 point font I think).
Perhaps white type on a maroon background.
I then glue the paper sign onto a small piece of plastikard (cut to size).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 17, 2016, 02:29:48 pm
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: the station front looks excellent, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 17, 2016, 11:40:21 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, The station name is " Ramsbury ", the station is based on Bury but with a goods yard like Ramsbottom hence the name, I think nobby suggested BuryBottom...he...he. Chris I do have some Photo paper, I printed the scalescenes bricks onto some. It is a bit to thick for brick paper but I have got away with it, so it would be fine for a sign, thanks for the offer it will be of help to me.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: portland-docks on February 18, 2016, 01:53:48 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, The station name is " Ramsbury ", the station is based on Bury but with a goods yard like Ramsbottom hence the name, I think nobby suggested BuryBottom...he...he. Chris I do have some Photo paper, I printed the scalescenes bricks onto some. It is a bit to thick for brick paper but I have got away with it, so it would be fine for a sign, thanks for the offer it will be of help to me.

im following this one with great interest with being a volunteer of the ELR it is interesting to see it converted in n scale!

i have a couple of the ELR engines on my layout such as the crab, and 44871. i will have 80080 when the standard 4s come out again

paul
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on February 18, 2016, 04:13:18 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, The station name is " Ramsbury ", the station is based on Bury but with a goods yard like Ramsbottom hence the name, I think nobby suggested BuryBottom...he...he. Chris I do have some Photo paper, I printed the scalescenes bricks onto some. It is a bit to thick for brick paper but I have got away with it, so it would be fine for a sign, thanks for the offer it will be of help to me.

For printing Scalescenes I use various weights (80gsm, 200gsm and 250gsm) of paper rather than sticking ordinary copy paper to card. I have a cheap Epson printer which copes well. I don't print to photographic quality as non photo paper won't absorb all the ink and smudges. I use a cheap white glue put on with an old brush. The card absorbs the glue and makes it almost an impact glue but it doesn't make the ink run which happened a few times when I started. I use cereal packets to re-enforce and am experimenting with 3mm foam board for  large areas. I've tried self adhesive  paper but find I get too many bubbles in it no matter how careful I am. When all is finished I spray a matt varnish over all. The building can be weathered then without damage to the print.
I hope I'm not teaching grandma to suck eggs! :-[
Having said all that I like the station :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 19, 2016, 09:08:24 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone. Portland Docks, I was originally building Radcliffe north Junction which was on the old ELR, but the layout had to many problems plus it was to big to handle. This layout is based on the same railway but is of course fictional.
Mito, thanks for the suggestions, I have tried various card the station building was built using 210 gsm card from Hobbycraft and some photo mounting card a friend gave me for free. I tried printing on thickish paper but the advice on Scalescenes is to use photo paper, the local Staples did not have the thin stuff they advise so I bought the thinnist I could get. I have two printers a old HP 4-1 and a newer model, they both print photos pretty good but not has good as a old Epson I had which had 6 separate inks and was expensive to run, plus Epson did not update the software for the later windows versions which really annoyed me so much I will never buy Epson again.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 19, 2016, 09:12:25 pm
This is the latest update, I am working on the station wall. I decided I can not just leave it black I need to detail it. So first a coat of Yellow Ocre toned down with white, or white with added yellow ocre for the cement layers and then wiped off. I will let it dry for a day or two even though it is acrylics and then try painting the stones over the top.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35583.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35583)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 20, 2016, 07:31:05 pm
Hi Chris,

I'm not sure that I've got the exact shade of LMR Maroon but I have used the correct BR font. You'll have to resize it, of course, but you can use it for both the running in boards (minus STATION, of course) and the station entrance sign.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20%20RAMSBURY%20STATION%20Running%20In%20Sign_zps5mgo45m2.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20%20RAMSBURY%20STATION%20Running%20In%20Sign_zps5mgo45m2.jpg.html)

I can email the original JPEG file to you.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 20, 2016, 08:17:47 pm
Thanks Chris that looks excellant, please e-mail the jpeg  to me. I think you have my e mail address but I will message it to you anyway.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 20, 2016, 08:23:41 pm
More pics of the station walling and the back scene, work in progress, it is coming along.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35602.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35602)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/thumb_35603.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=35603)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 20, 2016, 08:41:00 pm
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: looking really nice Chris, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on February 20, 2016, 09:09:14 pm
Hi Chris,

I'm not sure that I've got the exact shade of LMR Maroon but I have used the correct BR font. You'll have to resize it, of course, but you can use it for both the running in boards (minus STATION, of course) and the station entrance sign.



What's the name of the font?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 20, 2016, 09:17:09 pm
Hi Chris,

I'm not sure that I've got the exact shade of LMR Maroon but I have used the correct BR font. You'll have to resize it, of course, but you can use it for both the running in boards (minus STATION, of course) and the station entrance sign.



What's the name of the font?

Gill Sans; however, BR used a modified version, Brian, which I don't have. The O should, for example, be more oval.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 20, 2016, 09:48:37 pm
Its ok are has far as I am concerned Chris, It is better than I can do or I would have done it, thanks.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 21, 2016, 07:24:35 am
Its ok are has far as I am concerned Chris, It is better than I can do or I would have done it, thanks.

Glad to be of help, Chris. I'm always surprised by how many otherwise excellent layouts use handwritten signs and / or the wrong fonts when the correct fonts are easily found on the WWW and most people have access to colour (ink jet) printers. I do accept that the photographic paper to go into ink jet printers is expensive; however, there are print shops which will print a sheet of signs out for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 02, 2016, 09:42:03 pm
My latest update on the layout, I have been working on the station walls. While the back scene with the long wall was removed I painted the walls around the entrance to the tunnel. I have also done some more painting on the long wall, that is coming along nicely, it is a lot easier to paint with it removed from the layout. I have been moving furniture around in the loft so I could move the layout slightly to one side, so it is partly dismantled at the moment. That was the idea of the layout though to make it easier to work on any one section. While dismantled I have taken a couple of pics of a 4F in the station with a small passenger train from the wall side. I have also purchased a Peco re railer, wish I had bought one of these before, I have also bought some more tiny signs. There is no way I can put the station name on those little signs, maybe a touch of white to represent the words.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36153.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36153)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36154.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36154)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36155.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36155)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36158.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36158)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36157.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36157) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/7/thumb_36156.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36156)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 02, 2016, 09:53:59 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Excellent progress. I have those TINY SIGNs but in BR SR Green, of course.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 02, 2016, 10:02:44 pm
Hi Chris, I do not think it would be possible to print the font you sent me that small so I will have to improvise......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 02, 2016, 11:47:12 pm
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign: thanks for the update Chris, all  looking good, gosh those signs are tiny, best of luck
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 06, 2016, 09:19:12 pm
A update, I am still working on the station walling, not quite got the effect I want yet. I have also decided to scratch build a girder bridge at the station tunnel entrance. Here are a couple of pics, it is based in a bridge from the old ELR railway over a local canal.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36411.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36411)
and then after painting with primer, not sure what colour to paint it yet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36412.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36412)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2016, 09:27:57 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. I think matt grey would be a typical colour with added rust in places to a greater or lesser extent, these days.
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Post by: lil chris on March 06, 2016, 09:35:40 pm
thanks Chris, yes I think the grey looks good, i will keep it a similar colour.
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 06, 2016, 10:20:34 pm
The grey looks fine, Chris, but I'd 'soot' it up a bit ;)
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Post by: Yet_Another on March 06, 2016, 11:34:18 pm
I like that bridge!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on March 07, 2016, 12:10:08 am
Hi there thanks for the comments, it is based on this bridge over the local canal, I took a few pics yesterday and even measured it as best has I could.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36416.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36416)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36417.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36417)
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Post by: lil chris on March 07, 2016, 12:14:28 am
This is the latest pic on the station walling, a bit more work to do yet.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36418.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36418)
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Post by: Bealman on March 07, 2016, 12:57:20 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Looks great!
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Post by: Chetcombe on March 07, 2016, 03:15:35 am
The bridge and the retaining wall look good Chris. Be sure to post pics of the painted bridge...
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Post by: port perran on March 07, 2016, 08:16:27 am
Looking good Chris.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2016, 08:17:25 am
Very good work, Chris. Thanks for the photos.
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Post by: lil chris on March 16, 2016, 10:38:41 pm
A update,a bit more work on the layout. I have fitted the back board back on the layout in the station module, so I can work out how to make the road bridge which is going across over the board join. I had to fix a hole in the adjacent back board,it was for a tunnel on the previous layout, that just now wants the filler sanding smooth. I have started to scratch build the girders for the bridge, I am happy with how they are turning out, a bit fiddly to make but worth it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36776.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36776)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36777.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36777)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36778.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36778)
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 16, 2016, 10:45:01 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris.
That's looking great :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 17, 2016, 06:38:32 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Looking very good. I like the way you've adapted the backboard.
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Post by: port perran on March 17, 2016, 08:41:10 pm
Looking very good Chris.
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Post by: Mito on March 17, 2016, 09:15:17 pm
+1 to all above. :thumbsup:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 17, 2016, 09:57:52 pm
 :hellosign: Excellent work Chris, thanks for the update
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on March 17, 2016, 10:14:36 pm
More work on the bridge tonight, I am pleased with how it is fitting together. The bed base is some form of plastic board used by sign makers. I have fixed H girders underneath first then glued the sides on. I now need to make the extended inner girder sides like my previous girder bridge. That was a successful try out for this bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36795.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36795)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36796.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36796)
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Post by: lil chris on March 17, 2016, 11:33:56 pm
More work tonight, managed to finish the inner sides. Just needs a coat of undercoat before painting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36802.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36802)
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 18, 2016, 09:27:35 am
Very nice bit of scratchbuilding there, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bealman on March 18, 2016, 09:39:35 am
Yep, thumbsup from here, too.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on March 18, 2016, 12:10:23 pm
Very tidy job there.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2016, 04:13:40 pm
Very nice work, Chris. It will make a very nice change from the usual plastic girder bridges.
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Post by: wookie on March 18, 2016, 08:53:35 pm
Looks very impressive Chris
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 18, 2016, 11:00:04 pm
 :hellosign: Excellent modelling Chris thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on March 19, 2016, 09:25:51 pm
Thanks everyone for the kind comments. I have started on the bridge supports, pieces of ply glued to the baseboard straddling the join. I will cover these with brick/stone paper, I dropped a clog with the right one against the backboard. I made it too thick, the clearance to the track was way to small. The minimum should be 5.33 feet, lucky the support was plywood so I managed to shave a couple of strips off, it is 5 now so it will be ok has long has the rivet counters do not come out with there rulers etc.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36842.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36842)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36843.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36843)
do not worry once the glue has had time to set I will cut the paper down the join, you should not notice that under the bridge. And hopefully the bridge will cover the baseboard join,I will be able to lift the bridge off if needed.
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Post by: Bealman on March 19, 2016, 09:43:34 pm
Yep it should be an effective cover up.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 09:44:03 pm
Looks very good to me, Chris. Thanks for the update.

Best,
Chris
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Post by: lil chris on March 19, 2016, 09:49:20 pm
A little more work tonight. I have added support buttresses to the inner bridge support. These need to be solid has they are more likely to get knocked when the boards are split for any reason, I need to wait for the glue to dry, I can then build the rest out of card to keep it light.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/6/thumb_36845.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36845)
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Post by: Mito on March 19, 2016, 09:58:52 pm
All looking very good. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 10:05:25 pm
A good, solid piece of work. Well thought out, Chris. If anything can be accidentally knocked, it will be!
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Post by: lil chris on March 19, 2016, 10:37:15 pm
If anyone  is interested the stone relief  paper is made by Vollmer(47365),I mistakenly said it was by voller on the pic,  I think it looks quite good.  I just need to figure where the road is going now in relation to the goods yard. I plan on the entrance to the goods yard from the side of the high level booking hall. I should be able to work on this once the bridge is in place. I get the ideas in my head and work on them has I go along, it can be fun that way. Thanks again for the kind comments.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 10:39:58 pm
Sounds good to me, Chris. I look forward to the next updates.
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Post by: wookie on March 20, 2016, 04:24:00 pm
If anything can be accidentally knocked, it will be!

Yes, I knocked two of the protective corners off the cases for our tree displays whilst loading the car up after the show yesterday.
I see them as necessary casualties of the job they do and just glue them back on again.
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Post by: lil chris on March 20, 2016, 10:16:11 pm
Latest pic, Vollmer walling on both supports now. I need to figure out how to build the walls on each side now, they will stay in place so I am able to lift the bridge off when needed.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_36897.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36897)
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Post by: port perran on March 21, 2016, 07:39:27 am
Looks excellent Chris.
I make quite  a lot of supporting walls for similar situations as you have there. I use two sheets of plasticard separated by two coffee stirrers glued side by side tightly. That gives about the correct thickness. You can use a coffee stirrer lengthways on top to add a coping (perhaps scored at required lengths) to give the impression of individual coping stones.
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Post by: lil chris on March 21, 2016, 10:16:23 pm
Thanks Port Perran, you will have to forgive my ignorance but what size is a coffee stirrer, I am a tea drinker. I have been building the basics tonight for the scenery with bits of wood. I was going to use card but with it being on the edge of the board I thought better of it. I have slightly separated the boards just to make sure they do not stick together, while the glue drys. I have decided to make the road go off at angle to avoid a big split down the centre of the road, I might have the Railway arms pub on the piece of land near the bridge, it will fit there nice I think.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_36938.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36938)
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Post by: lil chris on March 21, 2016, 10:32:03 pm
these are pics with the bridge in place, note there is still a gap in the boards. The second pic shows the piece of land where the road approaches the bridge, room for the pub I think.I have fixed more walling to fill the gaps on the back board and lowered the walling slightly next to the bridge. Those walls need weathering like the rest of the walling and the back scene needs altering for the road, possibly the end of a house showing.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_36939.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36939)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_36940.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=36940)
I am thinking of painting the bridge a dark LMS maroon, I am sure I have seen one that colour, all the pics in books on the local railway are in B&W.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 22, 2016, 10:03:00 am
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: thanks for the updates Chris, nice modelling
regards Derek.
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Post by: Caz on March 22, 2016, 10:06:19 am
Coming on nicely Chris, nice to see a bridge actually supported.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Steve Brassett on March 22, 2016, 10:35:01 am
Thanks Port Perran, you will have to forgive my ignorance but what size is a coffee stirrer, I am a tea drinker.
Coffee stirrers vary a bit, depending on which establishment you "acquire" them from.  Almost any coffee shop and fast food establishment will have them.

The flat wooden ones are best.  The stainless steel (or silver) spoon-shaped ones are a bit more difficult to work with.
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Post by: port perran on March 22, 2016, 08:29:49 pm
Thanks Port Perran, you will have to forgive my ignorance but what size is a coffee stirrer, I am a tea drinker.
Coffee stirrers vary a bit, depending on which establishment you "acquire" them from.  Almost any coffee shop and fast food establishment will have them.

The flat wooden ones are best.  The stainless steel (or silver) spoon-shaped ones are a bit more difficult to work with.
This is the sort of thing Chris :
https://www.refreshmentshop.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=722&gclid=CPmUpv6Q1csCFc1uGwodWzMCRQ&zenid=6ae8f2c7ee2f48f4b119ca6dbeb1392c (https://www.refreshmentshop.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=722&gclid=CPmUpv6Q1csCFc1uGwodWzMCRQ&zenid=6ae8f2c7ee2f48f4b119ca6dbeb1392c)
I find them really useful and get through loads of them.
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Post by: mika on March 23, 2016, 06:15:55 am
The stainless steel (or silver) spoon-shaped ones are a bit more difficult to work with.

 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2016, 05:17:23 pm
Thanks for the latest updates, Chris. The bridge area is coming on very well. I agree that the "Railway Arms" will look good close to the bridge. If that will be a siding closest to the pub the railwaymen can whistle for beers to be brought down to them? (There was a pub in Swindon Town where this was done.)
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Post by: port perran on March 23, 2016, 05:53:47 pm
The stainless steel (or silver) spoon-shaped ones are a bit more difficult to work with.

 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
You'd have to call in Uri Geller !
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Post by: lil chris on March 23, 2016, 10:42:56 pm
Another update on the bridge, made some side walls for the bridge, It is slowly coming together.The bridge just sits on the top, small pieces of plastic guide it into position with cut outs for the pillars.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37014.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37014)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37016.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37016)
I noticed after looking at the pic one side had moved slightly, fortunately the glue had not set so have corrected it.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 24, 2016, 06:15:50 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. The bridge is coming along very well.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 25, 2016, 08:44:31 pm
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: coming together very nicely Chris, thanks for the update
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on March 25, 2016, 11:32:40 pm
Thanks guys, I have given it a rest tonight, but I intend to finish the job this weekend. The weather in the uk has turned again, rain is predicted again so no going walking.
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Post by: port perran on March 26, 2016, 09:21:28 am
Looks good Chris.
The weather has arrived here after an absolutely beautiful day yesterday. No we have gales and rain (back to normal).
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Post by: lil chris on March 27, 2016, 11:51:13 pm
A few update pics, the bridge looking down the station, I have started work on the right retaining walls weathering to match the long station wall. I have placed the pub roughly in position next to the bridge and road. It did have it own pavement's but I have removed them so it will be easier to fit in position. The inside walls need dressing yet and also the the other walls need weathering too. I also need to fit some walling on the far side of the bridge behind the pub and probably fencing along the top edge.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37240.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37240)
The second pic shows looking back over the bridge towards the station and the tunnel. The footbridge looks high on one side in this pic but that must be the camera angle, It made me get my rule out.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37241.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37241)
Then a pic close of the bridge and the pub.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37242.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37242)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37243.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37243)
Just thought I would add this pic showing how you can remove the bridge and split the boards if required
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37244.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37244)
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Post by: joe cassidy on March 28, 2016, 08:18:19 am
The trackwork/ballasting looks great in these views.

Best regards,


Joe
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 28, 2016, 10:56:14 am
Some great pics of very good work, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on March 28, 2016, 12:14:17 pm
Very nice work.
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Post by: Caz on March 28, 2016, 02:39:02 pm
Great work Chris, think you need a buffer stop on the kickback siding though.  :)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 28, 2016, 04:56:30 pm
Excellent work, Chris. It's all coming together very nicely. Glad to see the pub in position.
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Post by: lil chris on March 28, 2016, 08:36:57 pm
Thanks everyone, done a bit more tonight, weathering on the walls and I needed to fill a small gap. I also need to finish the walls on the other side of the bridge, I have made a start. I do need two buffer stops, I have some Peco ones but might buy some a bit more realistic ones, not made my mind up yet.
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Post by: Mito on March 28, 2016, 08:37:57 pm
Great photos especially the first and third. I needed a double take it looked so real! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 28, 2016, 09:05:53 pm
Hi Chris, the 2MM Scale Association make kits of various designs of bufferstops at £2.20   each:

1-070      LMS/BR rail built buffer stop - etched kit
1-071      LNWR/LMS rail built buffer stop - etched kit
1-075      LMS Heavyweight rail built buffer stop - etched kit
1-080      MR rail built buffer stop - etched kit
1-083      LYR rail built buffer stop

http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/shops.php?shop_num=1 (http://www.2mm.org.uk/products/shops.php?shop_num=1)

NB I'm not a member.
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Post by: lil chris on March 29, 2016, 12:11:20 am
Thanks again for the comments everyone, a little more work tonight behind the pub. I have partly built the banking and have added a few rocks. My idea is to have a gate and a small access road to the track between the rocks and the other banking, it just adds a bit of interest.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37336.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37336)

I have also tonight painted the girder bridge at the tunnel entrance. I have painted that one by hand in acrylic mid grey with a touch of turquoise , it looks ok. I will paint the new bridge with my airbrush, I plan on using BR maroon for that one which should add a contrast.
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Post by: Bealman on March 29, 2016, 12:55:13 am
Very impressive work.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 29, 2016, 08:02:10 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. Yes, a gated and fenced or walled  access road down to the railway would look good.
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Post by: lil chris on March 29, 2016, 10:42:16 pm
This is the latest update which includes pics of the Tunnel bridge which has been hand painted. And pics of the new bridge and the  pub and corner banking.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37390.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37390)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37395.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37395)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37394.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37394)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/5/thumb_37393.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37393)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 30, 2016, 07:49:39 am
Thanks for this latest update, Chris. Very good scenic modelling. Both the blue and the grey bridges look really good. I look forward to the next update and the service access road you mentioned.
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Post by: ScottyStitch on March 30, 2016, 11:43:15 am
Excellent modelling, Chris, especially the ballasting. Nice variation of colours there.
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Post by: Jerry Howlett on March 30, 2016, 12:14:30 pm
Nice work especially as you have put the steel support in the middle of the "tunnel Bridge" and the ballasting makes me totally green with envy. Platform surface in the picture .....  I haven't finished my station platforms as I cannot find the right finish but if they are Metcalfe I think you should try some smaller size paving..  Sorry to be even a tiny bit critical as the overall effect is brilliant. The earlier phots do not make the paving look wrong so may just be the camera angle.

Jerry
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Post by: lil chris on March 30, 2016, 08:22:46 pm
Thanks everyone again for the comments, Jerry yes they are Metcalfe Paving stones glued onto styrene sheet. To be honest I am not happy about the colour, to bright, and the size of the flag stones. I might try weathering them a bit and see if that tones them down a touch, trouble is if I glue something else on top the platforms would then be too high, I have used Peco platform edging for the sides. I am modeling early to mid 60's I am not sure if they had macadam platforms by then, that would be a alternative, ie paint over them, or glue some thin fine emery paper on top.
More work on the scenery tonight, I plan to do more work near the pub on the banking and around the pub itself.
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Post by: lil chris on March 30, 2016, 08:36:37 pm
For interest the Ballasting was done with the Ballast Magic and using Woodland Scenics fine dark brown ballast. My first attempts I used a little Proses tool to lay the ballast,the track is lade on a layer of cork to raise the track slightly. Some of it was done by a line of masking tape along side the track to define the edge of the ballast, then a soft brush to place the ballast in position, it was then sprayed with a fine spray of water and left to set. Bealman off this site has also done a post regarding Ballast Magic, so for more about it see that post.http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32366.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32366.0)
I am more than happy with the result, I think it looks good, I have some odd bits to touch up around the points etc and I also need to do my goods yard yet which I am planning on doing in a blackish colour.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on March 30, 2016, 08:48:58 pm
Tar and gravel surfaced platforms certainly existed in the 1960s (e.g. in North Cornwall) but whether they existed in East Lancashire would have to be checked by looking at photos. of station platforms.

How about using a scanner and graphics software to make smaller sized better coloured paving slabs by reducing the size of the scanned Metcalfe Paving stones then changing the colours / hues / brightness?
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Post by: Mito on March 30, 2016, 09:22:00 pm
The Scalescenes platform kit is very good, or have a look in his scratch builders section.
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Post by: lil chris on March 30, 2016, 10:09:23 pm
Thanks Guys I might try something like that on the platforms. Here are a couple of pics from tonight of the Railway Inn now fixed in position. I have also done more painting of the walls and the banking.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37425.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37425)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37426.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37426)
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Post by: Mr PJ on March 30, 2016, 11:50:37 pm
Looking great as it develops Chris,
Gravel platforms have existed for many years in Scotland too, but that probably doesn't help you a lot. I am sure tarmac platforms were in place in the 1960's looking at old photo's though.
The Metcalf sheets will look a lot better with a bit of weathering, but if not happy then Slater's do a 2mm scale plasticard paving sheet, which might provide better results.
Cheers,
Paul
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Post by: cornish yorkie on March 31, 2016, 12:15:20 am
 :hellosign: nice work Chris &  :greatpicturessign: thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on April 01, 2016, 09:40:59 pm
hi everyone, on a earlier post I said I was going to try some black aquarium sand for a coal substitute. Well I bought a bag but unfortunately it is a little large for N-Gauge unless you could crush it but that seems like too much hard work.here is a pic of the bag.I suppose you could try filtering some of the small pices out at a pinch, for £3.59 a bag.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37520.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37520)
It would probably be ok for our oo-gauge friends.
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Post by: lil chris on April 01, 2016, 09:44:36 pm
Here are a couple of update pics, I really do need to paint the bridge then I can finish the scene and road.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37518.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37518)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37519.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37519)
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Post by: port perran on April 02, 2016, 09:13:39 am
Looks really good Chris.
I do like the scenes which you produce. They make your layout so visually interesting.
Thanks for the continued updates.
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Post by: lil chris on April 02, 2016, 11:21:41 pm
Painted the new bridge tonight Railmatch BR Maroon, plus gave the tunnel bridge a coat of varnish, I have used Winsor & Newton Matt varnish, I will see how they dry.
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Post by: lil chris on April 03, 2016, 08:29:31 pm
Latest update. The new bridge has been spray painted Railmatch BR  Maroon acrylic, then coated with acrylic matt varnish. I have also now fixed the roadway in place, the road is made from 1200 grade emery paper, I need to make some form of pavement on each side of the road but it is getting there.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37626.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37626)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37627.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37627)
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Post by: port perran on April 03, 2016, 08:48:07 pm
Looks very good indeed Chris.
Could I suggest mounting card as about the right height for pavements ?
Just gently sandpaper the edges to give that very slightly rounded effect.
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Post by: lil chris on April 03, 2016, 09:03:51 pm
Thanks port perran, as luck would have it I have some picture mounting card, I guess that's what you mean. I have a friend who is into photography so can always get some more off cuts.
I might even make a start on the other bridge/tunnel entrance now now I have successfully managed this bridge.
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 03, 2016, 09:40:24 pm
The road and bridge look very good indeed, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: wookie on April 03, 2016, 10:15:54 pm
Very nice Chris
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Post by: cornish yorkie on April 04, 2016, 10:31:29 pm
 :hellosign: nice work Chris, thanks for the update
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on April 06, 2016, 10:30:37 pm
Not much scenic work tonight, I decided it was time I fitted a utp panel for my Powercab system on the main baseboard. It was a bit awkward having the controller plugged into the main booster unit, with it being in the loft and the wire not long enough I kept banging my head for a start. Fitting this and another one on the other side of the board will make running sessions more pleasurable and a lot easier.I will fit the second panel tomorrow but that will be easy I have already cut the hole out.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37768.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37768)
 The control panel for the station has a long wire so can be fitted on the other side too, that leaves the fiddle yard, I will have to work on that one, possibly a future project.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on April 07, 2016, 09:27:43 pm
Very nice work on the bridge area, Chris. I also use a type of 'sand paper' bought locally for the roads and goods yard surface but spraypainted.

I have no idea how my landlord will connect my PowerCab to my layout.
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Post by: lil chris on April 07, 2016, 10:06:36 pm
Hi Chris, you will have a similar panel called a PCP, the main difference is you connect the power supply to it. The track bus is also connected to the track supply plug on the back, with the led at the bottom on the panel, you plug your Powercab into the left plug on the panel. The right plug can be used for another controller, another thing with the basic Powercab is you can not un-plug the Powercab from the socket, every thing stops if you do and you have to use the 6 pin wired flat cable. You can connect a extension cable to the back of the PCP panel and connect to a UTP panel like mine, which does not need a power supply, and connect another controller to that. You will soon find your way once set up everything is pretty straight forward, if you have a problem just ask.
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Post by: lil chris on April 07, 2016, 10:18:56 pm
I have done some painting tonight on the outer boards, they needed another coat of white gloss before I mounted the second UTP panel. I have bought some of those cable fixings from Maplin that someone suggested, they are good but expensive. I have used some already under the boards to keep the wiring neat and tidy. Here is a pic of the panel fitted to the painted board, you can see the corner board with the hatch for access under the tunnel and my station control panel on the floor. I do need to do some tidying up in this loft, by the way the Cadbury's Heroes tin is full of Humbrol enamel paints, just for in case mick spots it all the toffees have gone a long time ago.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37815.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37815)
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 07, 2016, 10:36:00 pm
by the way the Cadbury's Heroes tin is full of Humbrol enamel paints, just for in case mick spots it all the toffees have gone a long time ago.

Sadly my gnashers aren't up to scoffing toffee nowadays, Chris :( :-[ ;)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on April 08, 2016, 08:03:35 am
Hi Chris, you will have a similar panel called a PCP, the main difference is you connect the power supply to it. The track bus is also connected to the track supply plug on the back, with the led at the bottom on the panel, you plug your PowerCab into the left plug on the panel. The right plug can be used for another controller, another thing with the basic PowerCab is you can not un-plug the PowerCab from the socket, everything stops if you do and you have to use the 6-pin wired flat cable. You can connect an extension cable to the back of the PCP panel and connect to a UTP panel like mine, which does not need a power supply, and connect another controller to that. You will soon find your way once set up everything is pretty straight forward, if you have a problem just ask.

Many thanks, Chris, for the detailed explanation and offer of help which will be gratefully accepted. The problem is that Cant Cove is a thin wooden frame and board mostly covered with layers of insulating board so the socket would need to be mounted in a cliff face or hill, I think. My landlord (electrician / electrical engineer) should be coming to do the wiring up of the track the weekend after this. I will show him this, plus other texts so he can plan everything.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 09, 2016, 09:42:24 pm
My latest update now with pavements made from mounting card has suggested by Martin.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37930.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37930)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/4/thumb_37931.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37931)
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Post by: port perran on April 09, 2016, 09:57:33 pm
Looks very good.
The Railway Inn looks very inviting
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Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2016, 10:08:52 pm
:thankyousign: Very nice work, Chris, and I fully agree with Martin's comment about the pub. Would it be interested in a West Country Ales Festival? 8-) I also use cardboard (similar to mounting board) for pavements but am considering printing coloured pavement slab overlays for them.
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Post by: Mito on April 09, 2016, 10:22:05 pm
Looks very good.
The Railway Inn looks very inviting

A pint of best for me. Great modeling. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 10, 2016, 12:06:51 am
I thought of sticking printed paved slabs on but instead drew them on with pencil, I then went over them with thinned grey enamel paint. I am happy with the result, I thought I could always stick over them if I was not happy with the result.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 10, 2016, 07:12:28 am
I thought of sticking printed paved slabs on but instead drew them on with pencil, I then went over them with thinned grey enamel paint. I am happy with the result, I thought I could always stick over them if I was not happy with the result.

Thanks, Chris, that's sounds like a good way to do it.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on April 10, 2016, 08:55:17 am
 :hellosign: many thanks for your latest updates Chris, excellent work
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on April 24, 2016, 11:14:29 pm
I have not done a lot this week, what with a some nice weather, so I was out walking plus there is snooker on tv too. But I have done some work on the tunnel/bridge at the station end of the board, fitted a road surface and the bridge walls and capping stones, still need to fix some pavements on yet. I would post a pic but the site has stopped.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on April 25, 2016, 07:09:12 am
Thanks for the update, Chris, looking forward to some photos., in due course.
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Post by: lil chris on April 25, 2016, 10:49:26 pm
Here are a couple of pics, not sure what happened last night one of these pics must have loaded last night twice ? I have also added the pic of tonights work where I have added pavements.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38679.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38679)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38739.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38739)
ps the bridge is removeable.
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2016, 02:49:01 am
Nice work, Chris. I like it :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on April 26, 2016, 08:34:03 am
Looks very nice.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on April 26, 2016, 08:42:46 am
Excellent work, Chris. The station is now looking very good. It was well worth rebuilding the entrance building.

I look forward to seeing some trains running in due course. 8-)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on April 26, 2016, 07:45:01 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Chris, looking superb
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on April 28, 2016, 09:13:26 pm
I have done some more work on the layout. First I have made a new program track, it is on a piece of old board which already had a length of dc track on it. On my previous layout I had a dedicated siding which was conveniently at the front of the layout, no room on this layout for that. I have made a start on the other walling on the other side of the station, just building the supports first. It will have the back or end of buildings on it, on Bury Bolton street what the station is roughly modeled on, it is the ends of streets but that might be a bit hard to model and a bit expensive so I might just have the back of buildings instead, using modelers licence.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38882.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38882)
more pics to follow.
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Post by: lil chris on April 29, 2016, 12:15:43 am
This is the latest pic, having trouble lately posting pics on this site ?.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_38894.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38894)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on April 29, 2016, 10:19:59 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest updates Chris, nice progress
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on May 02, 2016, 12:54:20 am
I am trying to post some updates but the site is so slow, I have tried using a different browser and on two computers but the result is the same. I have been working on the goods yard and the goods yard entrance cobble road leading down to the goods yard. sorry I can not post pics it is just taking too long even for a 640x480 version,I give up.

Well after 10 mins the pic had loaded, my load screen kept showing the load circle just going round, something is amiss somewhere. I can access Rm web etc in seconds. here is the pics, it might be the last for a while though.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/East_Lancashire_Lines/Dir_4/medium_38987.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=38987)
just added the pic again you might see it now
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Post by: Bealman on May 02, 2016, 01:18:26 am
I think if you give it a try now, Chris, you should find things have improved. We have had reports that pics are uploading quickly once more, and I myself have recently uploaded a few with no problems. In fact I posted one a few hours ago, and it was very fast indeed.

You have a lot of followers here - you don't want to disappoint them!  :thumbsup:

George
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Post by: port perran on May 02, 2016, 08:45:22 am
Hopefully that solves the problem.
Looking forward to more pictures.
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Post by: lil chris on May 02, 2016, 10:35:01 pm
Sorry no pics again, it has taken two mins to load this reply. I have done more work on the goods yard wall supports extending it across the full width of the board. Pics maybe another day if things improve.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on May 03, 2016, 07:49:38 am
Very sorry to read about the continuing problems with posting pictures, Chris. One is now not visible. I use Photobucket and post the links.

Looking forward to seeing the update photos. when possible.
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Post by: port perran on May 03, 2016, 08:27:06 am
I also use Photobucket and it seems OK here.
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Post by: lil chris on May 04, 2016, 09:30:26 pm
Another up date, I wanted to finish the walling in the goods yard tonight but two local shops do not stock the walling so not sure where I bought it from. I found the walling at Rails of Sheffield so I will have to wait now for delivery probably Friday or Saturday with a bit of luck. I have also done some repairs to the wide part of the station platform, it had started to sag in the middle, I must not have put supports in with it being plasticard thinking it would be ok. Anyway I managed to prise the platform up and slip a block of wood under so it should be ok now. Once I have finished the wall I can think about the buildings at the back and also how I am going to do the yard. I am thinking of continuing the cobble road along the back and the rest being made to look like ash. There are several ways of doing this I have even watched a guy on you tube with a n-gauge layout doing something similar. I originally bought some clay for the old layout which was not used, another way would be to glue some more cork up to the level of the tracks then paint it with ash spread over the top and between the rails, I would not need has much ash that way. I had bought some Aquarium black gravel but it is a little large, no big deal it was only £3, it might do for coal though.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39175.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39175)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 04, 2016, 09:34:09 pm
I was wondering if perhaps the size of my album was getting too big and that is also slowing things down so I will make anew album. The other alternative is to use photobucket, I already have a account set up but i run out of room so will have to delete something or pay.........No.......No.......No.....anything but pay........
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 04, 2016, 09:49:18 pm
I doubt your album is getting too big, Chris. One of mine is 12 pages!
If you are still struggling to upload to the forum I find Dropbox is very good although you are limited to 2GB without paying.
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Post by: lil chris on May 04, 2016, 09:58:55 pm
Thanks Mick, it is similar with Photobucket. There is something wrong, I have created a new album and then tried to load to it and got a script error (504). I came out of it and the album is there and the pic.
This is a pic of the main station board looking from the corner board which is not connected at the moment,that will have a town centre on it over a tunnel, the upper board for the town is removeable.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39176.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39176)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 05, 2016, 06:00:34 am
Thanks, Chris, for persevering with the photo. uploads. Good to see how well the station area is progressing.
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Post by: port perran on May 05, 2016, 08:08:22 am
Good to see some pictures again Chris.
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 05, 2016, 09:58:04 am
I reckon that station is going to be a cracker, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on May 05, 2016, 10:29:55 am
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest updates Chris, the latest photo was well worth waiting for, your station is looking really good
regards Derek.
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Post by: wookie on May 05, 2016, 10:52:51 am
Looking good Chris.

As for computers and technology....pah!.........frustration on tap  :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 05, 2016, 08:41:02 pm
Thanks for the reply's guys, I have not planning on doing much tonight, I am waiting for the walling being delivered, I have had a text to say it has been dispatched. The problems must be a site problem or server, this computer is a bit old but the spec is way up to posting and browsing the web. My main computer, downstairs, is a I7 one of the last before Skylake came out and is a pretty fast machine so no blame there. Nevermind I might resort to photobucket for a while in the future.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 06, 2016, 11:16:37 pm
The walling has not arrived yet so I wanted to do something with the time. I have decided to make the back board the same height has the front board, I had left it low on purpose thinking if I was working the layout from inside the circle I could see easier. The trouble is any buildings placed against it would be vulnerable to damage, the hand of god leaning over for example, and I want to place the end or the backs of a few buildings against it. My son suggested fixing the board with hinges so you could lower it, but I have glued it now in place and it feels solid. I have also worked on the wall on the ramp leading down to the goods yard. I used some mounting card and covered it with Redutext  brick sheet I had left from another building project, quite happy with result.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160506_230314_zpsexcjpdd4.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160506_230314_zpsexcjpdd4.jpg.html)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160506_230329_zpsw29w0qv2.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160506_230329_zpsw29w0qv2.jpg.html)

The walling on the right with the steps is from the old layout, I am thinking of using a piece from that with the steps to finish off the wall. It also matches the wall on the far left near the ramp, I am concious of having too many types of walling.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 07, 2016, 09:58:49 am
Good morning Chris, many thanks for the detailed updates. Construction is coming along very well indeed. Very glad that you're able to post pictures once more. I think once you've heavily weathered the walls with plenty of matt black and dark grey Northern grime the differences will be far less noticeable.

My notebook PC is back up and running again but I will be replacing my 'dead' mini tower PC, later.

Wiring has had to be postponed, again, due to mutual lack of time but your advice has saved us a lot of headaches and mistakes. Many thanks.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 08, 2016, 12:13:25 am
Hi Chris thanks for the nice comments, pleased to hear you have at least a notebook to use. It is a pity your so far away I could have sorted your pc for you, I build my own. I am glad too my advice has helped you, feel free to ask if you need to know anymore.
Re the walling my parcel arrived today from Rails so I have been hard at work cutting the 12 pieces to fit and have fixed them in place tonight. I need to fit the other bit of wall with the steps at the end now and then paint the  woodland scenics walls, pics to follow probably tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 08, 2016, 06:58:33 am
Good morning Chris, greetings from a warm, sunny Prague. It looks like summer has arrived and perfect weather for painting (if I had time). Glad your wall sections arrived so that you can get on with that. I look forward to the next updates.

Your help is much appreciated. Last week, the HD in my notebook gave an error warning that it was about to fail and has now been replaced with a bigger one which was a 'clone' of the old one, so no need to reinstall anything, thank goodness. The mini tower will be replaced, next month, with a new i5 one with the HDs swopped over. (Cheaper than having the old mini tower repaired which was built for me by a friend some years ago.)

But on to model railway matters. Do you have a photo., please, of how the three-way point should be wired as wiring Cant Cove has been postponed until later this month and we will need to understand that. I have your highly useful picture of how to wire a normal point. With more DCC-fitted locos. coming I'm looking forward to running trains with my PowerCab, soon. Mid-June is the start of the very busy BR Summer Timetable! 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 08, 2016, 11:20:28 pm
Hi Chris, I have not done anything special with the threeway point, I have just put a feed on the joint. You can see on the pic there is a small piece of track between the 3 way point and the double slip, where the track joins the 3 way point I have soldered two feed wires, I have taken the frog wires and connected those to a hex juicer. After reading another post I think I need to test it the point before I start on the goods yard itself, I am planning on it being cinder and level with the track. I am not sure how I am going to do it yet.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160508_223822_zpszrzpndn7.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160508_223822_zpszrzpndn7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 08, 2016, 11:26:02 pm
Here is a pic of the Woodland Scenics stone type walling, it is a bit expensive £10.50 for 6 pieces, I have used 18 pieces, and you have to cut them down with a saw so labour intensive too. I have added some wall at the end off my previous layout it has some steps coming down, only trouble is they went to a platform before so I need to mod them adding some more steps or put some higher ground in front of the steps.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160508_224751_zpsbpxpvoso.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160508_224751_zpsbpxpvoso.jpg.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 08, 2016, 11:33:18 pm
 :hellosign: Well done Chris, not easy, not cheap but looking good, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mr PJ on May 08, 2016, 11:36:51 pm
Hello Chris,
All looks like its coming on well, great work, and very neat. It does indeed remind me of Bury Bolton Street.

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 08, 2016, 11:49:43 pm
Thanks for the comments guys, it is loosely based on Bury Bolton street, hence Ramsbury.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 09, 2016, 12:37:58 am
Going really well. This is going to be a cracker of a layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 09, 2016, 07:52:20 am
Thanks for the latest updates, Chris. the new wall sections are looking good. I'd add some higher ground in front of the steps which will also help hide the join between the bottom of the walls and the baseboard, too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 10, 2016, 09:52:35 pm
Thanks Chris, that was one of my ideas a bit of high ground, lets face it we do not want it all flat. I have been painting the walls tonight before some weathering, no rush. I do need to check the threeway point to make sure it works ok before starting on the yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 10, 2016, 10:52:13 pm
Thanks, Chris. I will, most likely, be doing the wiring at the end of the month so I would like to know about the three-way point before then.

I look forward to seeing the next update on the walls. Yes, ground is rarely flat beyond the track.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 16, 2016, 11:37:36 pm
I have done some more work tonight on the layout after a brief rest. I have given the back wall a coat of wood primer, it does need another yet.
I have also been painting the walling, I am trying for a dirty look nearly black but not black if you know what I mean. There would have been a lot of coal unloaded at the yard, that's the idea anyway. I have managed to load a pic to the site(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39617.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39617)

Do not worry about the black in front of the wall, it was a matter of using the paint up rather than throw it away, I had too much out of the tube. You can't put it back in the tube, well I have not found out how to yet!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 17, 2016, 10:04:16 am

Do not worry about the black in front of the wall, it was a matter of using the paint up rather than throw it away, I had too much out of the tube. You can't put it back in the tube, well I have not found out how to yet!

Every now and then I have the same issue with the toothpaste, Chris. I end up doing the cat's teeth for him :laugh3:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 17, 2016, 10:23:35 am
Good one Mick  :sick2: I'm trying to enjoy  a quiet beer here in Australia  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 17, 2016, 08:04:08 pm

Do not worry about the black in front of the wall, it was a matter of using the paint up rather than throw it away, I had too much out of the tube. You can't put it back in the tube, well I have not found out how to yet!

Every now and then I have the same issue with the toothpaste, Chris. I end up doing the cat's teeth for him :laugh3:
You're a braver man that I that's for sure.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on May 17, 2016, 09:04:11 pm
If you sqeeze very gently where the tube begins to flatten to make it round again sometimes you can suck up a bit of paint. Did that a long time ago with a friends toothpaste tube and put a bit of Brylcreem in. He didn't half have some slicked back teeth! :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 17, 2016, 09:25:17 pm
If you sqeeze very gently where the tube begins to flatten to make it round again sometimes you can suck up a bit of paint. Did that a long time ago with a friends toothpaste tube and put a bit of Brylcreem in. He didn't half have some slicked back teeth! :D

 :laughabovepost:


Every now and then I have the same issue with the toothpaste, Chris. I end up doing the cat's teeth for him :laugh3:
You're a braver man that I that's for sure.

Those were the days, Martin. I used to use the ex's toothbrush, of course >:D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 18, 2016, 12:11:27 am
You never told me what you hold the cat with Mick, oven gloves or asbestos gloves would be handy I would think.

Back to the railway, tonight I have just given the back boards another coat of primer, there is no substance in these paints nowadays it's like water, it is water based too, but no covering power.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 19, 2016, 12:59:07 am
More painting of the back board on the outside with a coat of gloss tonight. Tomorrow I think I will check the 3 way point in the goods yard, I think I need to add two droppers to the point, see the article in the tutorials section. I intend to just solder a wire to each switch wire and then connect them direct to the bus. That is easier than trying to solder 4 joints on the point especially has the point is in situ. Fingers crossed for success.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 19, 2016, 05:59:35 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. You might want to try dry brushing some dark grey over those smoke black stone walls to bring out the texture?

I look forward to your update on the 3-way point as I hope to have mine wired up (along with the rest of the track) the weekend after this.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 19, 2016, 10:40:01 pm
Hi Chris and anyone who is interested, I have fixed the 3 way point tonight. I checked first with my track tester and the rails indeed had no feed.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0562_zps8z6drbe2.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0562_zps8z6drbe2.jpg.html)
I then decided where to drill the holes and realised the second point motor(no 10) was directly underneath where I wanted to drill the hole so I had to remove the motor.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261
/DSCF0563_zpsymuwa39y.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0563_zpsymuwa39y.jpg.html)I then drilled the holes, I have placed two screw drivers in the holes.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0564_zpsx3yobugo.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0564_zpsx3yobugo.jpg.html)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261In the next pic the screwdrivers point to the holes and you can see I have tinned the rails, and soldered the wires to the rails.[URL=http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0567_zpsprixom6n.jpg.html][img width=600 height=450]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0567_zpsprixom6n.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0564_zpsx3yobugo.jpg.html)
Note which side of the rails I have soldered the wires too, you do not want them on the inside where it could cause a derailment.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0567_zpsprixom6n.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0567_zpsprixom6n.jpg.html)

You have to take care with the lower wire notice how near it is to the moving switch rail and a steady hand is needed with the soldering iron. Because the wires are under the motor I cut a channel for the wires to come out the side of the motor. I use 3M tape to fix the motor in place  which is quite thick, I also use screws afterwards.
here is a pic with the wires soldered direct to the bus.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0570_zpse8ssaoph.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0570_zpse8ssaoph.jpg.html)
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[URL=http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media

sorry for the mess up for some reason I got the pics in the wrong order, a couple of pics have gone astray somewhere, think its right now after editing for 5 mins.he..he
ten points for noticing anything different with the motor installation.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 19, 2016, 11:14:31 pm
I have just tested the track with my track tester and both switch rails now have a feed and of course the moving switch rails too has they are joined together, good job done. I did not want to pull the track up even though I had not ballasted the point yet, would have been just too much hassle. I might even run a loco in the goods yard tomorrow or weekend. I also had problems with some of the Cobalt motors refusing to work. When I put the section of the layout on its side to get access to the motors and so I could do the soldering they all now work, some are a bit slow but work.

Oh by the way I swapped the feed wires round to the no 10 point motor, the lights were the wrong way round on the control panel.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 19, 2016, 11:37:38 pm
this is one of the pics that went missing, it shows where the wires come through the board where the motor is mounted. I simply cut slots for the wires to go in to the side of the motor, I also use 3m tape on the motor which is quite thick.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0568_zpssrmacaax.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0568_zpssrmacaax.jpg.html)
motor now in place.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0569_zpsohoobnct.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/DSCF0569_zpsohoobnct.jpg.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 20, 2016, 08:17:35 am
Many thanks, Chris, for this detailed update. So the three-way point only needs two soldered wire connections, where you have shown them? And no soldered wires at the ends of the three-way point? So, unlike standard two-way points which need soldered wires at the ends?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2016, 03:54:52 pm
Chris I still have the feed wires at the toe end of the point,I have soldered the wires to the track joiners. I think I showed you a pic a few posts ago and of course the frog wires go to a frog juicer.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2016, 08:31:16 pm
Hi Chris, I placed the wires has shown on the post 518, pics 3 & 5 with the screwdrivers showing the placement of the 2 extra wires to the switch rail. Like I said in the post the lower one is the hardest, you have to be careful that the wire does not touch the moving switch rail. Hope that helps you Chris.
here is another pic for you.took ages has usual to load, back to photobucket again.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_39843.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39843)
If you look carefully you can see the soldered wires.
Note at this point the tie bar is loose the motor has been disconnected.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 21, 2016, 09:56:20 am
Hi Chris, I placed the wires has shown on the post 518, pics 3 & 5 with the screwdrivers showing the placement of the 2 extra wires to the switch rail. Like I said in the post the lower one is the hardest, you have to be careful that the wire does not touch the moving switch rail. Hope that helps you Chris.
here is another pic for you.took ages has usual to load, back to photobucket again.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_39843.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39843[/url])
If you look carefully you can see the soldered wires.
Note at this point the tie bar is loose the motor has been disconnected.


Many thanks, Chris. Please, show where the other soldered wires go so that I can show my landlord when he comes to do the wiring and soldering the first week of June as this is all new to us.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 21, 2016, 11:19:40 am
Hi Chris,on my post 500,it shows the point with a small length of rail before the point. I have soldered the feed wires at the join to the point,this has the benefit of supplying a feed to the short  piece of track has well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on May 22, 2016, 11:23:34 am
Have a look in the 3 way point thread as I've added an easier and neater method of linking the rails before the point is laid.
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32502.msg383742#msg383742 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32502.msg383742#msg383742)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2016, 11:38:23 am
Many thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread and the other (which I have studied with all the great annotated photos.). I think even I can understand it but will let my landlord study it when he comes here in two weekends time to wire up Cant Cove. As the three-way point gives access to both the small goods yard and the Castle branch, its smooth operation is absolutely crucial for operating the little layout I have.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 22, 2016, 10:47:25 pm
Thanks to Caz for informing me about the 3rd switch rail, I should have taken more notice. I have now modified that rail has well on my point. I have posted a few pics on the 3way point post for anyone interested. Chris here is a couple of pic's showing all the feed wires to the point so you can show the guy who is wiring your point for you. Like I have said in my previous post the frog wires go to a hex juicer on my layout.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160522_221016E_zpskgtoop8f.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160522_221016E_zpskgtoop8f.jpg.html)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160522_221445_zpspqc03x9x.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160522_221445_zpspqc03x9x.jpg.html)
I will paint the solder joins to disguise them when I get round to it, I need to test my locos over the point now, they should run sweeter
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 23, 2016, 07:39:59 am
Many thanks, Chris, for these, especially the latest photo., and to Caz, too. I have a Hex Frog Juicer, which has already been tested, and will be using that with the three-way point as described. (I understand that it can also be used with ordinary two-way points, too, but I don't see the reason why?)

The weekend after next should see Cant Cove wired up for DCC (maybe also the platform lights) and trains running under DCC.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 23, 2016, 11:51:01 pm
Hi again, Tonight I finished soldering the extra wire from my 3 way point to the bus wires under the layout. A bit of testing would be good next, I might have a play tomorrow.
 By the way Chris the hex juicer can be used on any frog, I initally used mine on the peco motors when the switches did not work. Now I have changed over to Cobalt motors it is easy to use the in built switches, it would be good for something like a scissors or any complicated crossover like double slips, although I wired one of mine with the switches on the Cobalt motor easy enough.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 24, 2016, 07:15:59 am
Thanks, again, Chris. The prototype of Cant Cove had had a double-slip but it was removed before WW2, so apart from the essential three-way point (a modification to add the Castle Branch), all points are standard two-way ones so nothing complicated like a scissors or a double slip. So I'll leave whether the Hex Frog Juicer is used for anything other than the three-way point to my landlord.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 24, 2016, 11:02:57 pm
Only managed a small test session tonight,I went out cyclinng to keep fit, the usual track needs cleaning problems. Generally the 3 way point works a lot smoother, I have a small problem with one of the frogs not working correctly. I have two Hex juicers and one of which was used on the previous layout for a reverse loop, I think I need to find the instruction leaflet and check the jumpers annd also give the track another clean.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 25, 2016, 06:48:26 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. Glad that the three-way point is working better. I hope you'll be able to make further improvements. I look forward to the next update.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 25, 2016, 11:29:12 pm
Wow what a night I have had checking the 3 way point. I found my hex juicer was set up correctly, so I set about checking the frog wiring. On the 3 way point it was correct but I found that one of the frogs on my double slip was not connected, somehow the wire has become disconnected to the frog. I decided to add a wire to the frog my without lifting the slip. I driled a small hole between the V of the frog and carefully soldered a wire to the inside of the V taking care not to get to near to the insulated joiner. I then threaded the wire through the baseboard and connected it to the hex juicer, 1 problem fixed. Back to the 3 way point after putting my thinking cap on I realised the problem. The centre track from the point needs two insulated joiners, I had only used one, no wonder it kept shorting and tripping out. I pulled the centre siding up added a insulated joiner, after strugling to find one. I then  glued the track back down with copydex, problem now solved. Lucky I tested properly before ballasting the goods yard track. I still need to install some elctro magnets for the un coupling system before ballasting too, I have them somewhere in this loft.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 26, 2016, 07:09:19 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. Sorry to read about your problems but glad that you were able to fix them. I think (hope) that I have put the right number of insulated rail joiners in the right places on my three-way point.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 26, 2016, 10:14:17 am
You should have used 4 ij Chris.  2 on the centre track and one on each frog rail on the other two tracks.why I missed that I do not know,and where is my track box I can not find it ?. The problem with our age........
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 26, 2016, 08:02:39 pm
Eureka.... My 3 way point and the double slip both work has they should, adding the extra frog wire sorted the slip and another insulated joiner fixed the 3 way point. It serves myself right, I should have checked these proper when I installed them, mind I did not know about the mods needed with the 3 way point. I might just run a few trains tonight for a change.
I must today add a thank you to Chris who works at the Loco Shed Model shop in Whitefield for explaining how to signal my station. I am now thinking of some colour light signals for the station platforms, it will be easier to having working colour lights than semaphores. I have one Dapol Home semaphore but I do not know of any other working semaphores especially a double bracket Home signal,I notice Dapol have not brought the double signal out yet. Looking at pics of Bury station from years ago they did have some colour light signals at the end of the platforms. My layout is based around the 1960's and loosley based on Bury so I should be ok having a mix of both types.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 26, 2016, 08:20:04 pm
Well done on sorting things out, Chris.

I might just run a few trains tonight for a change.


How about a nice vid of your playtesting ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 26, 2016, 08:28:34 pm
Very pleased that things are sorted.
Well done.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 26, 2016, 10:30:38 pm
well I tried a running session, you sort one thing and something else causes problems. The curved point on the station approach is being a pain in the ****. It sometimes trips when the 4F goes over it, I think I need to make some sort of guide rail and attach it to the tie bar, that way it will not affect the loco when the point is set the other way but hopefully guide the loco correctly. I re aligned the track ages ago, easing the curve into the point gently, the trouble is with when the point is set for the inner curve which is of course a tighter radius, that is the main route into the station. I also had other running problems with the track causing trains to keep stopping. The track needs a really good clean, nothing has run for ages and it is also tarnished, I have tried some isop with no great improvement, so sorry no video tonight.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 26, 2016, 10:34:00 pm
Well done on sorting things out, Chris.

I might just run a few trains tonight for a change.


How about a nice vid of your playtesting ;)

Sorry no video tonight Mick too much swearing I had to delete them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 27, 2016, 09:01:48 am
Morning Chris

Re track issues, I have seen some improvement from my dirty track by rubbing strips of thin card acros the rail tops. If nothing else it is cheap and gives you a visual indication of crud being removed.

Also, with point work, a gentle scrape of the inside blade surfaces with a scalpel has helped me with electrical contact.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Jack on May 27, 2016, 12:24:58 pm
well I tried a running session, you sort one thing and something else causes problems.

I feel your pain Chris!

For reasons that I'll not go into, I've just gone through a major rebuild of my layout and while going through testing with various rolling stock came across a major problem with my 3 way point and Peco CDAs. The CDAs seamed to have a mind of their own and were choosing their own direction through the points. Any way, having spent more than an hour or two watching and sorting it out when another problem (which wasn't about earlier) cropped up!!  :'( 

And they call it fun...   :confused1:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 27, 2016, 01:36:33 pm
@Jack (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=689)
Oh dear. There's always one and it has to be me.
What is a Peco CDA please? :dunce:

@lil chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784)
With regard to point blades I run a very fine round needle file through them and then a pipe cleaner wetted with IPA and find it works wonders :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Jack on May 27, 2016, 02:16:52 pm
@Jack ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=689[/url])
Oh dear. There's always one and it has to be me.
What is a Peco CDA please? :dunce:



http://www.ehattons.com/18151/Peco_Products_NR_305_CDA_china_clay_hopper_wagon_in_silver_blue_ECC_livery/StockDetail.aspx
 (http://www.ehattons.com/18151/Peco_Products_NR_305_CDA_china_clay_hopper_wagon_in_silver_blue_ECC_livery/StockDetail.aspx)
I've x15 to go through a yard throat which starts with a 3 way point. (Oh and I wasn't mad enough to pay Hatton's price for the rake  :D )

Sorry for the quick hijack Chris, but he did ask nicely...



Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 27, 2016, 02:32:40 pm
@Jack ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=689[/url])
Oh dear. There's always one and it has to be me.
What is a Peco CDA please? :dunce:



[url]http://www.ehattons.com/18151/Peco_Products_NR_305_CDA_china_clay_hopper_wagon_in_silver_blue_ECC_livery/StockDetail.aspx[/url]
 ([url]http://www.ehattons.com/18151/Peco_Products_NR_305_CDA_china_clay_hopper_wagon_in_silver_blue_ECC_livery/StockDetail.aspx[/url])
I've x15 to go through a yard throat which starts with a 3 way point. (Oh and I wasn't mad enough to pay Hatton's price for the rake  :D )

Sorry for the quick hijack Chris, but he did ask nicely...


Thanks, Jack. Nice looking wagon.

Sorry, Chris. I may be a fuddy duddy transition kinda guy but I do like to know what people are talking about with all this 'new fangled' stuff.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 27, 2016, 09:22:10 pm
@Jack ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=689[/url])
Oh dear. There's always one and it has to be me.
What is a Peco CDA please? :dunce:

@lil chris ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784[/url])
With regard to point blades I run a very fine round needle file through them and then a pipe cleaner wetted with IPA and find it works wonders :thumbsup:

Thanks for asking Mick.
I didn't know what a CDA was either  :dunce:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 27, 2016, 09:26:28 pm
I too use card soaked in IPA to clean the track. I tear a piece of cereal box just wide enough that I can rub it over both sides of the track with one finger.
I use the same method for points but with the card on end (rubbing it between the blades).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 27, 2016, 10:08:50 pm
Hi everyone, I did not know what a cda is either, it is a steep learning code this model railway lark. Well guys I have fixed the curved point leading into the station, I had a faulty point so I cut it up and used one of the check rails off it. It was a fiddly job and I had to be very careful. Even then a small piece broke off it was that delicate, but what was left I glued on the rail just before the moving switch rail on the inside of the curve. It needs a bit of painting etc to tidy it up but it works, I have also just run a modeling knife over the rails and then some isop has well and that has improved the running. I just need to spend some time doing the rest of the layout, I think in the end I will bite the bullet and buy one of those Tomix electric cleaning wagons.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_40100.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=40100)
Now the point is operating at last I can tidy up the ballasting around the point.

I need to add to this, this did not stop another loco tripping so did not cure the problem. I pulled the track up but later went back to the curved point see Page 39/ post 572.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 27, 2016, 10:19:43 pm
Proper 2mm rail engineering there  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 28, 2016, 12:09:21 am
  :hellosign: Chris, glad you sorted out the point, nice work
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 30, 2016, 09:19:52 pm
Hi everyone, thanks for the comments. I think I have sorted the major problems I just need to do a major track cleaning session. For a change I decided to have another go with the river on the viaduct section. I was not happy with the plain varnish look so I have used the pva and loo paper technique I posted. I have only done a few layers of paper and have now painted it with acrylics. It looks dry now so I am going to give it a coat of water based varnish next and then let that dry.I have tried to post a pic but this site is still playing up something awful, oh well it has loaded at last so here we are.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_40222.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=40222)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 30, 2016, 10:20:31 pm
Well the problem with the curved point still exists. I have tried a different loco tonight and that keeps tripping the electrics.On close inspection the wheels on the loco keep catching the moving switch rail when the point is set for the inner curve, the improvised check rail worked for the 4F but it seems not for the 2MT, perhaps the check rail is not long enough. I might just pull the point up and use a straight point if I can fit one in before the baseboard join. I have a curved point on my fiddle yard on the left side on the inner track, but the trains are running into it from the heel end of the point.

I have just tried my Black Five, for some reason that is anon runner ?, the 4mt will go through the point but you have to watch the speed, I have just tried re-setting the guide rail, I have made it a bit tighter, perhaps a little longer towards the point might help too. I will have a play around with it for a few days, I might end up swapping the trouble some curved point for straight point.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 31, 2016, 01:06:31 am
Good to see the old loo paper is taking a hiding!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 31, 2016, 08:29:53 am
Thanks for the regular updates, Chris. I hope to be assisting my landlord to wire-up at least all the track, this weekend, at Cant Cove, so the detailed instructions and, even more so, photos., of the three-way point are very important. Today, I want to do some preparatory work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 31, 2016, 10:34:37 pm
I have decided the curved point is a waste of time,it is a design fault with the point some loco's are worse than others, the 2MT seems pretty bad, when the loco takes the inner curve the driving wheels short against the switch rail. Adding the check rail helped the 4F but I am not having a situation where I can not run certain loco's on parts of the track. I Need to go and buy a code 55 left point tomorrow. It means quite a bit of work re-laying the track, the track also crosses over the board join, ie track soldered to screws etc, but I feel it will be worth it.

For Richard Battersby and anyone interested in using PSX circuit breakers with the NCE System, here are a couple of pics showing how I wired them. I have used a jumper to set the current to 1.27 amps for N-Gauge, and I have wired in a switch to the connections so when It trips it does not automatically re-set, this stops it shutting the NCE system down. It makes sense really, on a fault it trips, you sort the problem ie re rail a loco that has gone through a point wrongly set, then press the reset switch( a N/C push button switch). I have also wired in a led showing the fault on two PSX's because they are mounted under the baseboard, saves having to crawl under the baseboard when it stops to check.
Here are the pics.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/psx%20wiringamp%20jumpers_zpsfu9alrz8.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/psx%20wiringamp%20jumpers_zpsfu9alrz8.jpg.html)
Top left is the jumper wires ( a short piece of u shaped Black wire) J6
Bottomleft,  blk and white wires for the led. J5
Bottom right blk and green wire ( yellow and blk on lwr psx) for the reset switch. J7
Please note my psx is mounted the opposite way to the instruction guide picture
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160531_220604_zpstyhjuzjf.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160531_220604_zpstyhjuzjf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 31, 2016, 10:44:07 pm
Thanks, Chris. That's me having more nightmares tonight about wiring, then ::) :worried: ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 31, 2016, 10:55:17 pm
Thanks Mick, I thought you were on DC though, so this should not trouble you.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2016, 07:17:57 am
Very sorry to reading about your continuing problems with the curved point. I think taking up the track and replacing it after fitting a new Code 55 left-hand point is a good idea as you want to be able to run any loco. anywhere and had had problems with your previous layout. I hope you'll be able to fix this, soon.

You've now got me wondering whether I will need a PSX circuit breaker with my NCE System? Cant Cove is very simple and small so I was not expecting to need any other electrically devices apart from what I already have bought.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: wookie on June 01, 2016, 05:08:37 pm
I was going to fir some corved points on Wookery, but so many people advised against it that I changed my mind....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2016, 05:42:40 pm
I was going to fit some curved points on Wookery, but so many people advised against it that I changed my mind....

But, John (Claverdon) does not seem to have had any problems with his, Mike?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: wookie on June 01, 2016, 09:13:28 pm
He got lucky  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 01, 2016, 11:01:10 pm
Well the curved point has gone it caused more trouble than it's worth.  I have pulled all the track up on the corner and fitted a new piece of code 55 along with a new code 55 medium point. This was a fairly big job, the tracks from the point go over a join in the baseboards which happens to also be a section change. At the other end of the curve the track then goes over another board joint joining the Viaduct board, I managed to do the viaduct join just butting the new track to the joint. I also needed to re fit the feed wires to the tracks, I have got the knack now of running a piece of track over the board joins. Before I solder the track and then cut the track with a cutting disc, I place a piece of cardboard between the boards, so after cutting the track you pull the card out and then when the boards are clamped you get a very small gap. I now need to weather and ballast the track again after I have tested it of course.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160601_215114_001_zpsz9tln7re.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160601_215114_001_zpsz9tln7re.jpg.html)
the point and track from the point.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160601_222811_zps4muusocv.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160601_222811_zps4muusocv.jpg.html)
This is the corner joint, new track butting up to the old on the viaduct board.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160601_222833_zpsiblyag5h.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160601_222833_zpsiblyag5h.jpg.html)
Overhaul view of corner and point.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2016, 12:07:41 am
I turned the baseboard over and I have fitted the point motor now and soldered a new feed for one of the tracks, the old wires were not long enough. Being modular makes it so easy to work on underneath the boards. I have also weathered the tracks ready for ballasting tomorrow, after I have run a couple of loco's to make sure all is ok running wise.

At the end of the day I want reliability, the track does not look has good with the straight point, it looked good with the sweeping curve and point but I was not prepared to put up with the faults all the time, pity really.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2016, 09:45:40 am

At the end of the day I want reliability, the track does not look has good with the straight point, it looked good with the sweeping curve and point but I was not prepared to put up with the faults all the time, pity really.

Sorry, Chris. It's not the way I'd have gone about it but if it solves your running issues then job well done.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 02, 2016, 11:51:23 am
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Chris, hope all runs well over the new point
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: RichardBattersby on June 02, 2016, 06:12:42 pm
Chris, thank you very much for your post and especially for taking the time to produce photos. They're really helpful and I'm planning on tackling something similar this weekend!
 :thankyousign: :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 02, 2016, 06:24:58 pm
Looking very good, Chris. I hope that all your locos. will now run smoothly.

My landlord will come, on Saturday, from about 2PM to, at least, begin the wiring up of Cant Cove but I still have to do some preparatory work beyond the trackbed painting already completed. I hope we will be able to install the Hex Frog  Juicer and get the three-way point working properly. My old Graham Farish 94XX 0-6-0PT will be the first test loco.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2016, 10:46:53 pm
Hi everyone, well that was a waste of time, as you can now tell testing was not good. I still had the same problem with some loco's, this time it was the other way round the 2MT went through ok but the 4F was a no go. So I have pulled the straight point up, it just did not look right and I have started to fit the curved point back in place. I have had a play round with the curved point while it was on the bench and I noticed that the switch rail because the point had been painted was not very good at picking up the current from the joining rail. I decided this could work in my favour, so I have painted the side of the switch rail with some paint. This the outer side of the switch rail and it should stop the wheels of the loco if they do touch shorting. The switch rail is getting a feed from the frog so it does not matter if it is insulated on that side of the rail. Also when I started with the new point I also used a new piece of rail for the curve, and I have tried to get a good transition from the curve to the point, I am waiting for the copydex to set now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 02, 2016, 11:22:20 pm
 :hellosign: Best of luck Chris, hope all goes well this time with the point
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2016, 11:37:03 pm
Well the curved point is partly re installed, a pic for you showing the progress. I have taken care with the point join and the tracks from it to the board join. The feeds need connecting to the track thats a job for another day now. I think the curved point looks so much better, here is hoping I fitted it better this time.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160602_232818_zps1vztttbb.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/20160602_232818_zps1vztttbb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2016, 11:48:37 pm
Like I said in my previous post, I have painted the outer edge of the switch rail to see if that will cut out the shorting. Here is a pic showing were I have painted it, if it works. Hopefully testing again this weekend sometime.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/Modified%20point_zpswufkay5s.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/Modified%20point_zpswufkay5s.jpg.html)

Note: the white stuff is copydex it drys clear.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 03, 2016, 06:27:18 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. I hope that you'll be able to solve all the problems, very soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jrb on June 03, 2016, 09:30:35 am
Chris,

Have you checked the back-to-back on the offending locos?

I had the exact same problem on Thornworth Bridge - certain locos would short out on certain points (mainly the 'Y' points, and the scissor crossing). I too thought initially that it was a problem with the points, but a quick check with a gauge revealed that the back-to-backs on the wheels where incorrect, and the wheels were too close together. It was this that caused the shorting. A quick adjustment and no more problems.

Coincidentally, the offending locos included a 4F and a 2MT. All the locos are brand new, and were obviously wrong from the factory. Yours may be the same?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2016, 09:54:15 am
I hope you get the curved point to work as it looks so much better, Chris.
My solution was going to be using a straight RH point as part of the curve much as the curved point does, rather than the LH point you proposed using earlier. I was worried all the track was fixed down, though, and therefore not moveable.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2016, 10:11:46 am
Thanks jrb, I need to buy one of those back to back tools,both the loco's where new.
Thanks Mick,not sure how a rh point would have worked out but the curved definitely looks better. I have worked on the curve to the point transition more this time plus painting the rail,hopefully that will sort it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on June 03, 2016, 08:20:10 pm
Looks sooo much better with the curved point, much more prototypical.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2016, 10:13:27 pm
Thanks Caz I agree, and tonight I have wired the feeds to the track and tested and report 100% success this time with the curved point. I am not sure if it because of the transition is smoother from the corner or the fact I painted the rail to insulate it from the loco wheels, but both the troublesome loco's have no problem, I have not had a single short, In fact I have made two videos to prove it, sorry about the quality, and I used my camera. I have run both the trains running them onto the two approach lines into the station. By the way can anyone recommend a back to back gauge you can buy, I might get one and check those two loco's. I  just need to ballast the section of track now it is running ok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1hQkxnYNw&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1hQkxnYNw&feature=youtu.be)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_DSCF0604_zpsupxhx30d.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/DSCF0604_zpsupxhx30d.mp4)

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2016, 10:21:27 pm
Having trouble with photobucket tonight, the first video would not load so uploaded it too Youtube instead. Modern stuff today is not reliable. As a matter of interest I lay my track using copydex, that is the white stuff you can see around the track in my pictures after first laying. Make a mistake and you just slide a knife under it and up it comes ballast and all, you have to re ballast if you have ballasted of course. So after laying the curve for the straight point, it was not much trouble to re direct it for the curved point again, I am well happy with it this time it looks so smooth and is working good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2016, 11:08:47 pm
Latest update after the test run  I have ballasted the track now using Ballast magic, leave it to dry which will not take long in this loft, now I have shut the window it is getting warm again.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/New%20curve%20after%20ballasting_zpsig02htfx.jpg) (http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/New%20curve%20after%20ballasting_zpsig02htfx.jpg.html)

Note the screws holding the track in place, no copydex under those rails, while the ballast drys, you remove the screws after of course.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keerout on June 03, 2016, 11:21:02 pm
Hi Chris,
would you care to comment on the use of ballast magic? (please?)
my efforts with 50/50 pva/H2O are a bit hit & miss...  :dunce:
Gerard  :wave:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2016, 11:34:38 pm
Hi there Gerard, I have used nothing else on this layout. My previous layout I did it the old fashioned way and to be honest struggled getting the glue mixture write the same has you, and then using a needle/syringe and then a eye dropper.It takes so long and is the most tedious job on the model railway.
 With Ballast Magic I use the 7-1 mix has it says on the bottle, I bought the little kit from Gaugemaster with a mixing cup and water spray etc, I have bought another bottle of the stuff since. Like I said I have done all this layout using a Proses Ballaster tool and a small tea spoon and a nice soft brush. Big lengths of track I use the Proses, for the points and any small intricate pieces of track I just use the spoon and the brush, then give it a spray with the water spray and leave to dry. What I have done tonight should be set tomorrow with it being warm, otherwise a couple of days in winter for example.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2016, 12:38:25 am
Latest update after the test run  I have ballasted the track now using Ballast magic, leave it to dry which will not take long in this loft, now I have shut the window it is getting warm again.
([url]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/New%20curve%20after%20ballasting_zpsig02htfx.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/lilchris261/media/New%20curve%20after%20ballasting_zpsig02htfx.jpg.html[/url])

Note the screws holding the track in place, no copydex under those rails, while the ballast drys, you remove the screws after of course.

 :hellosign: Chris glad all is running well over the curved point, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 04, 2016, 05:27:51 am
Thanks for the latest updates, Chris. I'm delighted for you that you've managed to fix the curved point problems. I hope there won't be any problems with Cant Cove like you've suffered on your layouts.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2016, 07:49:25 am
Thanks for those updates Chris.
It is really starting to look good now.
Keep the photographs coming.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 04, 2016, 10:25:02 am
Thanks for the comments everyone.I intend doing a review over the weekend of the layout and decide what needs doing next.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 05, 2016, 11:38:35 pm
This is the curved section and the re laid curved point which has now been weathered and ballasted.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-050616233657.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2016, 03:42:16 am
I'm glad you managed to resolve that problem, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 06, 2016, 05:54:50 am
Looks very good, Chris. Well worth persevering with. I hope every loco. now runs smoothly through it. Just do you think the previous problems were caused by? The ballasting looks very good. SR ballast was a brown colour, too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 06, 2016, 10:55:25 pm
Hi Chris, can you post a picture of your soldering of the DCC power wires to the track so we can see how it should be done? Many thanks, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 06, 2016, 11:45:40 pm
Here you are Chris, the first pic is actually on my programe track because on the layout you can hardly see the wires after ballasting. the second pic shows the wires soldered onto the bus wires, I number them for future reference.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-060616233858.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-060616234033.jpeg)

Hope these are of help to you. Just added a pic of the track I have just done, you can hardly see the wires after ballasting, a bit of touching up and you will not notice them.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-060616235121.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 07, 2016, 12:11:11 am
Looks very good, Chris. Well worth persevering with. I hope every loco. now runs smoothly through it. Just do you think the previous problems were caused by? The ballasting looks very good. SR ballast was a brown colour, too.
Hi Chris , I think the problems are probably the back to back on the two loco's and I think painting the rail helps avoid causing the short.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 10, 2016, 09:35:02 pm
A short test run today while watching the football. I have found the curved section is pretty good now but I nearly said those famous words " I don't believe it", as soon has I tried to video a train it stopped on the curved point, a short. That was the only time it has done it but the 2MT also shorted on a normal point after crossing over from one track to another. The 2MT definitely needs it's back to back checking. Also one video shows the 108 DMU, I need to replace the chip in that with something with better slow running, I think it has a cheap chip in it. My fav loco is the 4f and that runs nice with it's Lenz Gold chip. I tested the goods yard too and the double slip and the 3 way point both operated without fault even using the 2MT has a test loco. I need to do some more track cleaning and connect all the layout together and have a proper run session.I will try to post a couple of videos later, photo bucket is playing up now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 10, 2016, 09:41:16 pm
A couple of videos at last, only took 45 mins to load on photobucket.Sorry about the quality, made with my phone.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_20160610_202043_zpsz0dtwtpn.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160610_202043_zpsz0dtwtpn.mp4)
Here comes the fast 108 DMU into the station and back out over the crossover and the up line.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_20160610_202524_zpsspxwg5cv.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20160610_202524_zpsspxwg5cv.mp4)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 10, 2016, 09:49:51 pm
Good to see something running, Chris, although I do get concerned about the number of shorts and b2b problems you seem to suffer with (it is too hot for anything but shorts, mind :-X)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 10, 2016, 10:44:32 pm
Thanks Mick, yes it is definitely too hot in this loft for anything but shorts. It is the 2Mt, it is a new loco hardly used in anger. I brought it into the station around the curve point no problem then reversed it over the double crossover at the end of the station it then shorted on the next trailing point, so it was caused by the crossover,it has to be the back to back. It is not a problem, I would not be doing that with that loco anyway on normal running, at least I do not think so. I have set my circuit breakers too 1.27 amps so they trip easy, better than burning out a loco, and with the system I have now a simple press on a button to re set them. I am happy with the curve now where it meets the point and I think it is smoother than before. But I cut the track a tad to short, I have noticed the tracks are a little near to each other in the centre of the curve. So I might lift a section near the viaduct end and put a piece at the end, It is easy to lift, it is glued down with copydex.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: belstone on June 10, 2016, 10:50:08 pm
I bought two 2MTs and the driving wheel back to back was well out on both of them.  (Around 7.2 mm, NEM standard is 7.4). I sorted them by inserting a screwdriver between the chassis and wheel back and twisting gently, but accept no liability if this causes your wheels to wobble or fall off.

Richard
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 10, 2016, 11:02:37 pm
Thanks Richard, I need to get a gauge first but I might try that.
I have just lifted the small section of curved track and re glued again using copydex. I might just get away without inserting a new piece, I managed to re aligne the curve, the ends need re soldering though. I have not touched where the curve meets the point, I am happy with that. Small bit of ballasting to do but that is the price you have to pay for perfection.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2016, 09:52:28 pm
Thanks for the videos, Chris. Very good to see trains running smoothly. It's worrying to read that brand new locos. may need adjusting. I'd definitely recommend fitting a better chip in your DMU for smoother slow running. Most of my locos. have Lenz chips (Silver Mini, I think). Maybe, tomorrow, at least one will be running on DCC?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 11, 2016, 11:20:07 pm
Good luck for tomorrow Chris, I know how disappointing it can be when you can not get anything to work, I know from experience. Just start with a basic piece of test track if you have one, connect the wires to it switch on and you should get the basic read out, Loc:  003      The time etc. place a chipped loco on the track then press prog four times or press prog and 4 to go into Programme track mode. this is a low voltage mode, you should be able to read the chip on the loco. The read out should now read....PROG  TRK  the time/ 1=STD 2=CV 3=REG.  press 1 for the standard locomotive parameters, you can then change the address from 003 which is the default address for new chips fitted in a loco.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 11, 2016, 11:26:04 pm
I have done some testing but the joint between the boards was not close enough. So I have cut off the end of the track and installed a new piece and soldered that to the screws and the joining track, it just needs ballasting now. I have also had problems with the 2MT again it definitely needs the back to backs sorting. I think the paint on the switch rail helps but perhaps I should have used enamel paint not the acrylic I happened to have handy at the time.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 04:11:53 pm
Thanks, Chris. The good news is that the wiring on the test track (the disconnected through line in the station loop) works and my GF D1058 which I bought DCC-fitted with the number '1058' was recognised and runs fine. However, my GF 84XX 0-6-0PT would not move at all, the motor just made a strange buzzing noise. My GF Class 33 worked on the default number 03 but when we tried to program it as 6577 stopped working, although we followed your (and the manual's instructions). I could not get my Dapol BR Green Slope Tank programmed properly either.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 12, 2016, 09:18:12 pm
Tonight I have done some more testing, the majority of the time the loco's go through the curved point alright with the occasional hiccup. I am going to settle for that now with a view to looking at the back to backs in the future. I am very happy where the track transverses the base board join with the extra piece of track I installed last night. The outer edge of the embankment on the curve now needs attention so I have just run some filler around the outside and will ballast over the top after. The goods yard is working good both the loco's I have tried transverse the 3 way point and the double slip with no problems and good slow running. I now need to place the uncoupling magnets in the goods yard before ballasting, I think one will do between the slip and the 3 way point and perhaps one at the end of the platform to allow wagons to be un coupled from perhaps a pickup goods train stopping in the station. Perhaps a goods train would come into the station from the right on the down line into the near down platform against the wall, wagons could be dropped off and shunted  by the goods yard shunter into the goods yard. here are a few pics.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-120616211037.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-120616211037.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-120616211155.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/1784-120616211359.jpeg)

Has anyone noticed the dark sleeper where I added a piece of track near the board join, I need to paint that.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 12, 2016, 09:36:43 pm
It's all looking good and I'm pleased you've managed to sort out the bulk of your running issues, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 12, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
Thanks Mick, it seems to be a lot better now and satisfying runin the two loco's slowly through the station and into the goods yard. I just need to decide where to place the magnets now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 09:44:12 pm
Good evening Chris, I'm very glad that you persevered and that running is MUCH better.

Where did you get the printed paving stones for your station platforms, please, as I need some for the central parts of my passenger platforms. The goods platform can have cracked ones from lorries driving over them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 12, 2016, 11:47:48 pm
Hi Chris, my platforms are Metcalfe, I have messed one platform up I spilt paint on it by accident, I am not sure what to do about it yet. You can get some flags with cracks in from Scale scenes, you down load them so no waiting for post. Once down loaded you can print has many as you want.http://scalescenes.com/product/tx21-pavement/ (http://scalescenes.com/product/tx21-pavement/)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 17, 2016, 10:49:55 pm
I have not done a lot on the layout this week, guilty of watching the footy. I have been trying to get my Black 5 working, not sure what is wrong with it, it was working on the old layout but not now, I have a separate post on the train surgery section. I have also done some work on the river on the viaduct board. I did the new water works using loo roll, then painting with acrylics including first coat of varnish. I have now given it a coat of pva and tonight another coat of varnish. Over the next few days I will keep adding coats of varnish, plus I might do some work on scenery in front of the viaduct. I am thinking of a derelict works, part demolished buildings etc, I think there is something similar in one of my books that I can use as a reference.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 21, 2016, 10:59:32 pm
A bit more work on the layout. Another coat or two varnish on the river and I have sorted where two of the un-coupling magnets are going. Here is a pic of the magnets in place, they are not fixed yet, I need to solder wires too them. It will be easy to cover them with ballast, I will probably put some shunting signals next to them for location. I might buy some more, they are easy to retro fit afterwards, I just used a mini drill from above and marked under the board with a circle then used a 5.5 mm drill from under the board taking care not to damage the track when I broke through with the drill. I had to take care with the one in between the slip and 3 way point to avoid damaging the point motors. On this pic you can see where I had to solder another feed to the frog of the slip because the fitted feed had become disconnected somehow.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-210616225008.jpeg)

a pic of the DG magnets I am using.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-210616231347.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 22, 2016, 07:51:53 am
Impressive work, Chris. Thanks for the update and photos.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 23, 2016, 12:03:05 am
A bit of soldering tonight, I have soldered wires to the two magnets ready for fitting I just need some screws to fit. I also found a loose wire on the multiplug connector for the control panel so I have soldered that too while I had the iron out. It is so easy to flip the baseboard on its side while I do any soldering needed underneath the board.
The river looks pretty good now I do not think it needs any more coats of varnish, I am happy with how it looks.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-230616000233.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 23, 2016, 07:55:02 am
Looking good, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 25, 2016, 11:52:14 pm
Watching football tonight, it was a bit boring to be honest. So I decided to fix the Black 5, I removed the pcb and wired a TCS Z2 chip I had in my box, it was still not working correctly. I found the left side pick up wire had a  intermittent connection so I re soldered the joint and did the other 3 while I was at it, problem sorted. I just need to add some real coal to the top now, it runs pretty good now. What a good night's work, another coat of varnish on the river now.........
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 26, 2016, 11:45:19 am
Excellent, Chris. Good news, indeed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 26, 2016, 10:07:40 pm
Work on the viaduct board tonight, each end of the viaduct needs sorting. Filled one end with a piece of polystyrene, I will make that into a cliff with shrubs similar to a local river which I have pics of. The other end with card which will be covered with plaster bandage in the usual way and probably grass and shrubs, pics to follow in the next few days.
Ps Plus another coat of varnish on the river.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 28, 2016, 01:12:42 am
Well after a dismal night of football again, I do not know why I bother, I decided to cheer myself up working on the layout. I have decided to add a line off the goods yard for a small engine shed for the shunting loco. I bought a "y" point today and I have fitted it tonight plus re adjusting the siding, I have pre drilled the holes ready for a point motor and added the wire for the live frog. I need to find a feed on my control panel and find another motor. I have two faulty motors, one which was replaced by DCC Concepts under warranty and the second which I never got round to replacing but seems to have started working again.
I have two points which could be operated by one switch instead of two so that could solve my problem. Adding the engine shed will add a bit of operational interest, also Model Rail this month is all about Engine sheds large and small. The point and some of the track is glued down with Copydex when dry I will post some pics.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 28, 2016, 10:56:29 am
Sounds like an excellent addition, Chris. Looking forward to the pictures.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 28, 2016, 10:12:14 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Chris, sounding excellent
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 28, 2016, 11:55:44 pm
I have laid the track and point for the engine shed road, I have wired the feeds and fitted the point motor, unfortunately the motor seems to be playing up. I have altered the control panel to suit the new track layout, I managed to wire two motors to one switch which gave me two more connections for the new point switch. The two points in question needed to be synchronised anyway, there was no way one would be set against the other. I have a old engine shed from years ago, I might tidy that up a bit or buy a new one, I do need something L&Y type or even LMS. I think the one I have is a old Peco which I believe is based on GWR.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-280616235331.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-280616235523.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on June 29, 2016, 12:00:00 am
Looking good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 29, 2016, 12:20:39 am
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  & very nice work, thanks for sharing Chris
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 30, 2016, 12:15:38 am
more work on the viaduct board, I have used some plaster for the banking, it will probably take a few days to dry but there is no rush. I have also been working on the control panel, the mutliplugs where in the way, I could not have the control panel high enough to get my knees underneath so I have re located them onto the bottom of the panel. There is a method in my madness, if I want to use the control panel on the outside of the layout I can use it upside down. Only snag a couple of wires came loose on the mutliplug connector, more ruddy soldering and very fiddly at that.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616000740.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616001256.jpeg)
and the re located plugs.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616001516.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 30, 2016, 08:59:06 pm
The work with the multiplugs on the control panel has enabled me to fit it now in a higher position and it is not in the way on the floor anymore.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616205638.jpeg)


Back to work on the scenery now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on June 30, 2016, 09:16:27 pm
Looking good Chris.
Will you be using scatter material for the banking ?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 30, 2016, 09:22:16 pm
Hi Martin, it will be a mixture some paint and some shrubs and scatter to get the effect.
Here is a pic of  local river Irwell near where I live.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616212118.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on June 30, 2016, 09:38:57 pm
Looking forward to seeing the finished effect Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 30, 2016, 10:12:22 pm
Looking forward to seeing the finished effect Chris.

Me, too, Chris. I had thought the river cliff to be too steep but now can see that it is not.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 30, 2016, 10:39:47 pm
Thanks Chris, you should know me better by now I usually research most things, I have had those river pics for years.
After the work on the control panel I have now painted the banking using a mixture of acrylic colours. I did mix some burnt umber with the plaster to avoid any white showing through.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616223925.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 01, 2016, 05:56:32 am
Thanks, Chris, you should know me better by now I usually research most things, I have had those river pics for years.
After the work on the control panel, I have now painted the banking using a mixture of acrylic colours. I did mix some burnt umber with the plaster to avoid any white showing through.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-300616223925.jpeg[/url])


Yes, you're right, Chris. There is a similar riverside cliff at Cesky Krumlov, South Bohemia. I look forward to seeing the finished version of your cliff.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 02, 2016, 08:35:10 pm
The river banking is taking shape, a few trees need adding yet and the colours want touching in but it is getting there.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-020716203443.jpeg)

By the way the pic I posted of the river bank was taken in winter, it is covered in undergrowth now, plus a few of the dreaded Hog Weed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 02, 2016, 08:40:13 pm
Looking really, really good Chris.
Very realistic.
Careful that the Hogweed doesn't take over!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 02, 2016, 08:41:57 pm
A really excellent job, Chris. I'm looking forward to tackling the scenery at Cant Cove, this month. I only hope it looks half as good as this.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on July 02, 2016, 08:46:25 pm
That's looking really good, Chris.
I'm now off to play Genesis "Return of the Giant Hogweed" :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 02, 2016, 08:48:39 pm
Thanks for the comments, I can tell you I had green fingers last night after working on this section. Green Woodland Scenics fingers, it took some getting off too, and it starts to get frustrating when it sticks better to your fingers than where you want it...he...he,  but at least it looks something like I want.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 02, 2016, 09:00:35 pm
here is another pic showing the river a little better.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-020716205613.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 02, 2016, 09:05:07 pm
Another excellent photo. of superb scenic work, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: chrispearce on July 03, 2016, 03:49:43 am
I quite agree. It is looking very good indeed.  :thumbsup:

I also think it is rather poetic and geometrically aesthetically pleasing for there to be a trio of posts by guys called Chris.

 :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on July 03, 2016, 08:07:35 am
Can't agree more, very realistic and great modelling.   :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: mika on July 03, 2016, 10:26:51 am
What they said!
The riverbank looks very good and the water effect is great.  :wonderfulmodelling:

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 03, 2016, 02:28:22 pm
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign: Chris, especially the last one, really shows your excellent work, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: chrispearce on July 03, 2016, 02:39:40 pm
The man is, quite clearly, an artist.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 03, 2016, 03:54:16 pm
Thanks guys the comments are appreciated. The river was done using a loo paper and pva technique which I posted about. I think it looks good better than before with just paint and varnish, I am not sure if to give it some more coats of varnish yet.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 03, 2016, 04:06:49 pm
I think the more coats of varnish the greater the illusion of depth, Chris?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 04, 2016, 08:44:27 pm
I think it looks really good Chris.
You should be very pleased with that.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 04, 2016, 10:02:58 pm
Well I have been making some trees, the woodland scenic trees are nice but the wrong shape for what I want, answer make my own. I have just used brass wire out of household 3 core, I have lots of it because that is what I used to make my bus wires. Twist a few pieces together into shape then I use a mix of cheap filler, acrylic paints and Pva glue and then paste it onto the wire and leave to set. Add the woodland scenics clump foliage and there you are,I coat the upper part of the tree with hob-e adhesive which remains tacky when ready dip the tree into the clump foliage. My trunks have not come out quite the correct colour but it is easy enough to touch them up with some acrylic paint.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-040716215957.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-040716220108.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-040716220201.jpeg)

more pics to follow later has I progress.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 04, 2016, 10:07:01 pm
here is a pic showing what I used to make the trees plus some cheap acrylic paints added in.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-040716220621.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on July 04, 2016, 10:37:50 pm
Chris,

Cracking thread, has taken me a few days, but I started at page 1 and followed it through, been an excellent journey, loads of excellent modelling on show and very informative along the way

I can only echo the sentiments of many along the way - fantastic work & look forward to staying in touch with progress now that I have caught up! (as well as pick your brains as I start to embark on wiring!)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Tractor37 on July 04, 2016, 10:48:08 pm
Just skimmed through a large portion of your layout Chris and have to say it's looks rather good indeed. Quite inspirational.
Keep up the good work squire, I shall be following along quite happily.
Jas...  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 05, 2016, 12:22:17 am
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the informative update Chris
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 05, 2016, 07:52:28 am
I second my friends' comments above, Chris, and look forward to this next update.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 07, 2016, 12:19:18 am
A little bit of work tonight, I planted the trees next to the river bank after I have painted them and shaped to suit. I am waiting for a engine shed now from Gaugemaster I have also bought a TCS decoder for my 4P, I had used the only wired decoder I had in the Black 5 to get that working. I need another decoder for a small Jinty my son bought me at christmas, I want a ct dcx75 for that when I can get one, I have spent too much this week I bought a ESU tester too to add to my toolbox. I need to do some more work on the viaduct module, I am planning on a tunnel entrance at the end where the board meets the fiddle yard board. I have a few Woodland scenics pine trees I can use too which will go behind the river banking. On the left side of the fiddle board, to make it different I will have a road bridge and trees too hide the join, I do not want too many tunnels although I do like them.I have had some trouble with the point motor for the goods yard, I had only one motor left which I marked has faulty. On my work bench it worked with a battery connected, has soon has I installed it under the board it packed in. This forced me to check all my connections from my revised control panel, see my earlier post I moved the connections. There was a few not working with the plug not seated correctly but that was not one of them, I checked with my meter voltage on both wires. The motor moved one way but would not move back, it seems to have given up altogether now so I e-mailed DCC concepts last week.
I have had some good news today Dcc Concepts are sending me a new motor to replace the faulty unit. The Cobalt motors are guarenteed for life and true to there word they are replacing it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 07, 2016, 08:03:15 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. Looking forward to some photos. of the scenic work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 07, 2016, 10:42:08 pm
More work today on the tunnel construction on the Viaduct board plus you can see the trees in place on the river bank.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-070716223705.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-070716224126.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 07, 2016, 10:52:05 pm
I forgot to add my Ratio Engine shed arrived today, good service from Gaugemaster. It is just what I want, very similar to my old Peco shed but it has the advantage of doors at both ends which is what I want. So plenty of work now on the shed plus I can finish the tunnel on the viaduct board, I also need to finish the other end of the viaduct too. I want to try and complete the viaduct board including some  works buildings in front of the viaduct.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 08, 2016, 08:08:03 am
Excellent progress, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 08, 2016, 09:16:31 pm
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: & Very nice work Chris, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on July 09, 2016, 08:14:35 am
Viaduct & River looking very good - great tree's
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 09, 2016, 11:05:11 am
A update from last night, I would have posted last night but I made the mistake of upgrading my pc to windows 10, nothing would work. I see why they call it windows 10, it must have crashed 10 times. Any way back with w7 and normal service has been resumed.
I have been working on the tunnel  surround and at the other end of the viaduct too with plaster bandage, I think it looks good too, needs painting now of course.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-090716110307.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-090716110416.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 09, 2016, 11:14:02 am
Looks excellent, Chris. (Unfortunately, Windows 10 is NOT compatible -- lack of drivers -- with many not very old PCS, including my Lenovo Y580 notebook, so I, too, will be sticking with Windows 7. My new mini tower will, though, come with Windows 10, when i decide to buy it!)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 09, 2016, 01:07:22 pm
Hi Chris my pc is not that old,it is running a ssd etc. I think the answer is a new clean install not the upgrade.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 09, 2016, 01:50:55 pm
Hi Chris my pc is not that old,it is running a ssd etc. I think the answer is a new clean install not the upgrade.

Neither is mine, Chris. It also has a SSD (but as an auxiliary HD). You can find online if your particular PC is compatible with Windows 10, mine is not as there are no drivers for the SSD plus normal HD configuration so a clean install would not work, either.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 09, 2016, 03:16:47 pm
Hi Chris it is definitely compatible,it was just rubbish it would not even load a j_peg without crashing so I put it back to W7.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on July 09, 2016, 10:31:32 pm
There's supposed to be a new version of W10 coming out this month which, so they say, addresses all the problems of non-compatibility. I use Linux and I never have compatibility problems. :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 11, 2016, 11:12:44 pm
I have done more work on the scenery, plus I have started on the engine shed kit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-110716230909.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-110716231006.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 12, 2016, 07:16:04 am
Looks good. In fact, I may be persuaded to change my brick built loco shed on Port Perran for that stone one which will look more in place.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 12, 2016, 07:42:26 am
The scenery and shed look very good, Chris. I wish I had fitted the metal-framed windows to my loco. shed (not in place, at Cant Cove, yet, as it needs interior roof beams and lighting fitted, as well as the construction of the lit inspection pit) instead of the supplied plastic ones as they look much better. You've painted your shed very well, Chris. I would definitely recommend a stone-built shed, Martin, painted to look like Cornish stone.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 12, 2016, 10:18:25 am
By the way this is the Ratio kit number 203,I have a old Peco one which was brick.thanks for the comments.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 12, 2016, 10:59:46 am
I adapted two of those Ratio kits plus a Ratio lineside hut to form a longer loco. shed with a workshop area at the back and a foreman's office at the side. The overall arrangement was based on the loco. shed that was at Bodmin General until BR demolished.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 13, 2016, 09:39:30 pm
This is my idea for placement of the engine shed and the signal box. The engine shed is work in progress,it now has the roof, and I needed to find a place for the scratch built signal box from my old layout. The reason for the tall signal box is for the signal men to be able to see trains approaching the station over the road bridge. Rule 1 applies anyway.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-130716213650.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/1784-130716213838.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 13, 2016, 09:46:25 pm
They both look good in these locations, Chris. Don't forget that you'll ned a coaling stage and a water crane, outside the loco. shed, too. I guess the coaling stage can be scratchbuilt?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 13, 2016, 09:55:32 pm
Hi Chris, Yes a coaling stage,it needs to be some small branch line type, similar to the one in the ngs mag although not gwr based like that one. Needs to be L&Y or LMS type, also needed will be a ashpit, I might put that behind the signal box.I already have a Ratio water tower kit ready to build.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 13, 2016, 11:56:33 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Chris, do like that tall signal box, looks so right
 regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 14, 2016, 01:12:28 am
Thanks Derek, I scratch built that for my last layout, I put a lot of work into it I was not going to waste it. I really want the engine shed slightly more to the right but the track there has a bad sleeper so I thought placing the shed there hides the defect. I might be able to hide it with a ash pit though or even the coaling stage.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 15, 2016, 10:45:10 pm
More work tonight on the scenics around the tunnel, also I have located the signal box, I have made a hole in the base in case I decide to light it up at some stage,trying to think ahead. The engine shed now has the top on the roof but I have decided to add some roofing slates on the top from York Modelmaking, they just add a bit more realism.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-150716224313.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-150716224448.jpeg)



Not finished the slates yet if you are wondering.......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 16, 2016, 01:03:22 am
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the updates Chris, more excellent modelling
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 16, 2016, 11:36:03 am
Your scenic work is very good, Chris, and an inspiration for me as I work on mine.

I agree, the roofing slates from York Modelmaking, on your loco. shed, do look much better.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 16, 2016, 12:44:49 pm
Great work there Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 17, 2016, 12:03:26 am
Engine shed is getting there now, just finished the painstaking job of fixing roof slates. I think it is worth it though it has got to be better than a painted plastic roof at the end of the day.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-170716000118.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 17, 2016, 12:48:34 am
 :hellosign: Nice work Chris, looking very good
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: richard9002 on July 17, 2016, 01:10:36 am
Very nice work there Chris, the shed looks much better now with the new roof. Are the York Slates individual tiles as I suspect looking at their website?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2016, 10:21:48 am
Yes, your loco. shed looks very good, Chris. I must post pictures of my adapted one. (Currently in pieces awaiting completion.)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 17, 2016, 10:46:54 am
Thanks guys, the slates are on rows and are self adhesive.Getting the spacing right is crucial, I bought a little guide ruler to help.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: NeMo on July 17, 2016, 11:43:22 am
That's a lovely bit of modelling. Extremely neat work, almost looks like you did this in O-gauge!  :o

If this was me though, I'd find it impossible not to model at least one lose slate, or even a hole in the roof (with some plasticard strips below for rafters). Depends a lot on the era I think; towards the end of steam, sheds like these were somewhat neglected. But earlier than that and there'd be a lot more evidence of pride in the upkeep of the shed and its surroundings. I've always been amused by those pictures of steam sheds with cinders everywhere, but also a flower bed or even a greenhouse!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: richard9002 on July 17, 2016, 11:48:32 am
Thanks for the info Chris, I think individual tiles would be a bit much, wouldn't it. Should know better than to try figure it out from a small picture on my mobile!

Richard
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 17, 2016, 12:01:47 pm
That really is excellent work Chris and has prompted me to replace my brick built shed on Port Perran.
I don't think I'll manage those individual tiles though but they do look extremely good.
Great stuff.
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 17, 2016, 12:55:47 pm
Your efforts have definitely produced and excellent result, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: lil chris on July 17, 2016, 06:56:50 pm
Thanks for the comments everyone.
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Post by: lil chris on July 17, 2016, 09:53:30 pm
For anyone who may be interested these are the roofing slates I use, a little expensive but they do look good.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-170716215147.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on July 17, 2016, 10:15:40 pm
More work on the engine shed roof finished off, painted the barge boards and fitted too the base. I dropped a clog there, I forgot to paint the inside of the base before gluing the shed on, I managed to paint it inside though. I have done a bit of weathering on the brickwork and started to fit the gutters etc, nearly finished.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-170716221510.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2016, 10:48:16 pm
Your loco. shed is looking really good, Chris.
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Post by: lil chris on July 18, 2016, 12:54:12 am
Thanks Chris. I have started on converting my 4P now, to dcc,slowly getting there.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 18, 2016, 09:18:35 pm
Thanks Chris. I have started on converting my 4P now, to dcc,slowly getting there.

I wish you success with that, Chris.
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Post by: lil chris on July 18, 2016, 11:51:27 pm
Well I converted the loco ok, I must have done something right I read the chip and even changed the address, the loco will not move sounds like the motor is jammed. I checked the brushes are free and not too tight maybe the gears are stiff, it has not been run for years. At least I know I have done the conversion right, the next one will be easy especially has I have today bought some needle files.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2016, 07:12:04 am
Congratulations on the successful DCC conversion, Chris. I hope that you can get the loco. running, again. Is there anything which needs oiling?
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Post by: lil chris on July 19, 2016, 05:21:54 pm
Thanks Chris,would you believe I oiled the gear last night with some special engine oil,so leaving it overnight might have helped.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2016, 06:38:47 pm
Thanks Chris,would you believe I oiled the gear last night with some special engine oil,so leaving it overnight might have helped.

Yes, I believe you, Chris. I thought you would have done something similar but it was worth asking.
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Post by: lil chris on July 19, 2016, 10:25:35 pm
I have posted some pics on the fb page and a very helpfully guy has told me the quartering is out so I need to sort that now.
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Post by: lil chris on July 19, 2016, 11:38:22 pm
Well the loft is out of bounds tonight, too hot up there even with the window open and a fan on.
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Post by: lil chris on July 21, 2016, 11:39:49 pm
I called in my local modelshop today, I asked in to get me one of the new 4MT tank locos when it comes out, the reviews are very good. I have one I bought off e-bay, it is ok, I had it converted to dcc but the new ones look superb. while I was in the shop I picked a 3 light Island platform starter signal, I keep seeing it everytime I go in so took the plunge today. This is going to go on the end of the bay platform ie platforms 1 & 2. Platform 2 is the main up line to Manchester, would you believe I keep forgetting which way round the platforms are numbered. I have also recieved my warranty replacement Cobalt motor from Dcc Concepts in Australia, I need to fit that too the point for the engine shed then I can test it properly before starting on the yard and the ground surface around the engine shed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-210716233900.jpeg)

The new loco will probably not be out till after August/September maybe later, it is my birthday in August, that is my present to myself......he....he.....
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 22, 2016, 10:16:16 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. I think, in N Scale, working colour light signals are much easier to deal with than semaphore ones unless you buy Japenese semaphore signals and 'Anglicise' them, which I think works well for GWR pattern ones but less so for others. Alas, the distinctive SR latticework signal posts seem impossible to combine with working semaphores? Just like BR WR did with the ex-SR West of England mainline, I am tempted to have two-aspect colour light signals at Cant Cove, at least as a temporary solution?

I also have some of the later model (not the 4-digit SKUs) of old GF BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts and already have one of them DCC converted in Prague and another (DC) on loan to Trepol Bay MPD. With a bit of added detailing, I think they look fine. The new ones will be better detailed but much more expensive to buy, although cheaper to DCC fit as, I think, they will be DCC ready. I will have to work out whether it will be cheaper to buy a new one, have it DCC fitted, and resell a DC one that it will replace?
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Post by: lil chris on July 22, 2016, 09:59:49 pm
Hi Chris, I was going to buy a two aspect signal but a guy in the model shop where I bought mine advised me that they were rare 3 aspect being more common because it replaced two signals, at least in our region anyway. I thought that maybe two aspect were the early ones and 3 aspect came later, not sure if that is true, it was the same price anyway so no contest.
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Post by: wookie on July 22, 2016, 10:29:03 pm
What make are they Chris?
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 23, 2016, 09:26:35 am
I'm not a signalling expert, Chris, but I think two-aspect colour light signals were used on less busy lines, like the ex-SR mainline from Salisbury to Exeter, whilst three-aspect were used on busier lines so, probably, three -aspect would be more appropriate for your line?

I do have some CR Signals brass two-aspect colour light signal kits somewhere. They also do three- and four-aspect ones:

http://www.crsignals.com/ (http://www.crsignals.com/)

"A simple 2-aspect colour light signal . . . would act as a replacement for a semaphore stop signal [and has] a red [and a green] aspect . . .  A 2-aspect distant signal would have yellow and green aspects. The white plate below the signal will display an identification plate using the reference letters of the controlling signal cabin and the signal number.

The 3-aspect signal was developed to allow higher speeds and shorter block sections to accommodate more trains. The three aspects are red, yellow and green.  The red indicates stop, the yellow indicates that only one block section ahead is clear and the next signal will show a stop aspect. The green indicates that at least two blocks ahead are clear."

http://www.railway-technical.com/sig-uktypes.shtml (http://www.railway-technical.com/sig-uktypes.shtml)
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Post by: 25901JFM on July 23, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
With two aspect signalling you normally get the following arrangement as the train approaches them; firstly a yellow / green signal then a red / green signal, then another yellow / green and so on.  Used on lines with light traffic, however where a junction or other situations dictate that signals need to be closer together at say stations, Junctions cross-overs between running lines three aspect signal will also be found.  Two aspect signalling is used on the Worting Jn to Laverstock North Jn (although there are also some three aspect signals at Andover station) and Romsey to Laverstock South Jn.  Three aspect (Red / Yellow / Green) signalling used where traffic levels are higher.  With colour light signalling if a driver has to be stopped at a red signal the previous signal must be capable of displaying a yellow aspect.  Semaphore arrangements are different. 

No doubt somebody can explain it better, possibly with diagrams to help.

John
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Post by: lil chris on July 23, 2016, 05:20:17 pm
Thanks John for your explanation,it sounds right. The guy who advised me in the shop is a ex engine driver but also used to train others on aspects of signaling.He has drawn where the signals go on my station diagram for me,which was helpfull  of him.
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Post by: lil chris on July 24, 2016, 12:23:34 am
here is another pic of the signal, you can see the make on this pic wookie, I paid about £22.00 for it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-240716002132.jpeg)
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Post by: wookie on July 24, 2016, 07:28:14 am
Ah right thanks Chris
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Post by: lil chris on July 25, 2016, 11:28:22 pm
Well a update, good news the new point motor works ok so now the point and track to the engine shed is operational. I have found a loose feed to the double slip so that needs soldering again and then I need to have a test session to make sure all is ok.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 26, 2016, 07:14:55 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. I hope you fix the problem and look forward to seeing a video of the loco. shed in use, soon.
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Post by: lil chris on July 28, 2016, 11:34:22 pm
I did some testing last night and cannot believe it, my Black 5 would still not run after I thought I fixed it. I had some trouble with my Type 47 diesel last time I run it, it needed cleaning on one bogie. I mentioned it in my shop where I bought it and he said bring it in we will do it for you. I tested it last night and it started making a clicking noise, here we go I thought, split gear. So I took it in today anyway and they confirmed it was a split gear, so I have learned at least one thing off this site, my model shop is very kindly getting it fixed for me. It is just my luck it has hardly been run since I bought it, I need to do more testing and run trains a little more often. At least my 4F negotiated the curve point ok and through the goods yard and to the engine shed apart from a small hiccup, I forgot to cut the pin short on the point motor, minor problem soon fixed. I have decided I want one of the new 4MT tank loco's the reviews I have read are very good, it is a birthday present from swmbo, she does not know yet..he...he. The only other loco I would like is possibly a Union Mills, not sure which yet a 2F or 3F or something which can be converted to look like a L&Y  Aspinall Class 27, which was seen a lot on the area where my model is based.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2016, 08:27:30 am
Very sorry to read about your continuing problems, Chris. A helpful model railway shop is indeed a great help and they should be kept in business! My landlord has found one, in Prague, and I'll be visiting them to stock up on more scenic materials.

The new BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts will be very popular, I think. I'm happy with my late model Graham Farish ones, but still might also be tempted to buy one to see what extra detailing I could add to the older ones. I'm still delaying buying my Union Mills T9 then 700 "Black Motor" as other bargains keep appearing! However, I have heard only excellent reports about UM's build quality albeit they benefit from extra detailing. Either or both of the UM 2F and 3F would look very at home on your layout, I think.
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Post by: lil chris on August 01, 2016, 10:10:41 pm
another update, I finished building the engine shed last night and tonight I have worked on the embankment board. This was the last of any joinery that needed doing fitting a end board where the scenic section ends and the fiddle yard starts. On the opposite side I have a tunnel and I do not want too many tunnels, so I am not so sure what to do this side, maybe a road bridge and trees to hide the join.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-010816220408.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-010816220531.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on August 03, 2016, 01:14:59 am
I have decided on another road bridge  to hide the scenic break so I bought another of the Peco NB 35 ones. It means I have two on the layout but I will tweak it a bit to make it look a little different if possible. I have built the bridge tonight and sprayed it with Halfords primer. I have also finished the woodwork on the embankment board, I forgot the other end needs support for the tunnel and I have painted the board I fitted last night ready for the backdrop.
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Post by: lil chris on August 03, 2016, 09:25:00 pm
Here is a pic of the road bridge painted in primer, I might do a bit more to it yet. Also is a pic of the embankment board now with wood at both ends. On the left side there are going to be the tunnel entrances and the right is where the road bridge is going to be with fields and a road and a under bridge in between somehow.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-030816212207.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-030816212320.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on August 05, 2016, 10:33:44 pm
More work on the embankment board, fitted the support wood at both ends ready and fitted the tunnel mouths on the left side. I have built a cover for the tunnels out of mounting card so you can get access to the track for cleaning or if a loco becomes stuck, because you know sod's law it will get stuck where you can not get to it. I will build up a rock face on the cardboard to fit round the tunnel mouths. I have done more work on the road bridge, I have added modeling clay and scribed into it to represent stone under the bridge, I only had brick plasticard, I am quite pleased with the effect has long as it does not fall off. Here are a few pics....1st one shows the tunnel mouths and then the card module removed for access.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816222857.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816223111.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816223314.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on August 05, 2016, 10:39:30 pm
more pics of  the bridge in position and the tunnel mouths from different views.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816223601.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816223725.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-050816223907.jpeg)
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Post by: port perran on August 06, 2016, 08:23:12 am
I particularly like the way you've done those tunnel mouths being different lengths. Very effective. Are you planning to make that area a bit untidy with greenery at all?
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Post by: lil chris on August 06, 2016, 09:02:42 am
Thanks Martin,it will be a mixture of some rockery and greenery if all goes to plan. The other end more greenery with a road with a gradient going down from the road bridge. I was going to do that last night but I can not find my French curve.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 07, 2016, 09:45:50 pm
Thanks for the latest updates, Chris. The new scenic additions are already looking good.

(You know the Metcalfe paving that you used for surfacing your station platforms? Can you tell me, please, how thick the card is and the dimensions of one paving slab? (I'm still waiting for my sheets and need to know how much space and thickness to allow on the station platform's central section for them so that I can fit the gravel surfaced end areas.)
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Post by: lil chris on August 07, 2016, 11:41:33 pm
Hi Chris, The card is a millimeter thick, the stones measure aprox 4mmx6mm, I am using a plastic ruler, here is a pic though for guidence. The piece on the right is all I have left of the large pieces I still have about 3 of the pavement edge sheets.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816234057.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on August 07, 2016, 11:52:47 pm
Here are a few pics of work completed last night and tonight on the embankment board. I have been working on both ends, and the plan is to have a under bridge on the left somewhere, probably another scratch built girder bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816234927.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816235055.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816235222.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 08, 2016, 06:56:38 am
Hi Chris, The card is a millimeter thick, the stones measure aprox 4mmx6mm, I am using a plastic ruler, here is a pic though for guidence. The piece on the right is all I have left of the large pieces I still have about 3 of the pavement edge sheets.([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816234057.jpeg[/url])


Many thanks, Chris, for your very quick reply with an excellent photo. That is exactly the information which I need. The central part of both platforms, approx. three BR Standard coach lengths, will be paved but the rest 'gravel', spraypainted sandpaper will not and I want to finish the platforms as much as possible.

As I have used the Peco platform edge strips, I already have the edging paving slabs in place. (Although they need a wash of matt black as they are too shiny.)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 08, 2016, 08:45:20 am
Here are a few pics of work completed last night and tonight on the embankment board. I have been working on both ends, and the plan is to have a under bridge on the left somewhere, probably another scratch built girder bridge.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-070816234927.jpeg[/url])...

Had a look, and there it was! Yeah, 'an under bridge on the left', right behind the rear pickup,  a Strat (or a clone) by the look of it!!! :greatpicturessign:
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Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2016, 07:04:11 pm
Yes correct it is a strat, it was my sons first guitar along with a 10w amp,he has moved on to better things. That is roughly where the under bridge will be,well spotted.
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Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2016, 08:34:59 pm
More work tonight on the tunnels, I still need to cover/shape the joiners, a bit of screwed up old paper will do the trick. You then cover the paper with plaster bandage, I would have finished the right side too but I have run out of plaster bandage. I have a bit more to do on the right side so it is ready for the bandage and I could also make a start on a under bridge. The section still lifts out over the tunnel, hence the shapes where the pieces join, I will soon disguise those when I get some more bandage.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-080816203052.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-080816203258.jpeg)
These are the bits that need attending too.......(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-080816204221.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 08, 2016, 09:12:33 pm
Thanks for the update pictures, Chris. I agree about the three areas needing further work. I'm concerned about the vertical section above the tunnel mouth, though. It would have to be a (near) vertical cliff of some kind. The other side would have to be a very steep grassy slope though? Tree cover would help disguise that though.
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Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2016, 09:33:27 pm
Thanks Chris, watch this space it will soon look alright. I am planning on going to the model shop tomorrow to collect my Type47 which has been repaired( split gear) , and get some new bandage at the same time. Back to the slog, the glue should be dry now.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 08, 2016, 09:40:14 pm
That's all good news, Chris. I hope your Class 47 will be back running smoothly very soon.
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Post by: lil chris on August 09, 2016, 10:39:31 pm
I have my class 47 back running smooth now, not running it on my track till after I have cleaned it. More work on the tunnel entrances and the hill at the side of the road is taking shape. I have made the girder for the under bridge, I now need to make the side walls, I have some Ratio brick walling, it is a bit hard to cut but I will use that. The old signal box off my old children's layout is going just before the road bridge,  I have also started on that too.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-090816223217.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-090816223706.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on August 11, 2016, 12:42:26 am
more work tonight, a back scene plus a banking behind the signal box position. I have also been working on the under girder bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-110816003753.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-110816004045.jpeg)
I need to make a road or something under the bridge, at the moment it is instant death.....
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Post by: Bealman on August 11, 2016, 02:03:53 am
Coming along very nicely indeed. Thanks for posting the stages of construction!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on August 11, 2016, 10:43:19 am
 :hellosign: Superb modelling Chris, looking really good, thanks for the informative updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on August 11, 2016, 10:42:30 pm
Get rid of the white plaster tonight and continue building the bridge and road way. I do not want it flat that is too easy, I want the impression the road going down under the railway bridge. Then the road down the hill joins the road from under the bridge ie a junction. The colours are not right yet so more work to do,re the under bridge, I only had brick red in enamel which is a pain waiting for it to dry. I am  not sure what colour to paint the girder yet needless to say it will be a colour I have in acrylic.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-110816223325.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1784-110816224205.jpeg)
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Post by: Milton Rail on August 13, 2016, 02:38:21 pm
Great progress Chris, enjoyed catching up on what you have been doing, good news about the Class 47, look forward to seeing it in action soon.  Nice backscene too
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Post by: wookie on August 13, 2016, 03:36:07 pm
Looks like you are doing a reet proper job Chris  :D
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Post by: lil chris on August 13, 2016, 11:29:58 pm
Thanks everyone for the nice comments, I have done some more work tonight on the under bridge. It is fixed in position complete with the girder and I have also toned down the green and the land at the side of the track too. I need to finish the landscaping at each side of the bridge now I am planning on using the one Dapol home signal I have bought to place on the up line before the tunnel, there is a nice piece of wood for me where just I want. Pics to follow.
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Post by: lil chris on August 16, 2016, 01:10:04 am
I have been working on the scenery at each side of the under bridge, still needs more doing to it yet. I have put the Bachman chip back in the type 47, I might get a better chip at some date in the future. I have managed to get the Black five running but a tyre keeps coming off the tender drive, I will see if my model shop stocks them if not someone poin ted me in the direction of Hattons. Like I said last night pics to follow.
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Post by: lil chris on August 16, 2016, 10:24:13 pm
Tonight I have some more pics so you can see the progress. Mainly the sides of the under bridge, and you can see the road is not flat.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-160816221720.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-160816222110.jpeg)

A pic of the whole board for the complete picture.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-160816222329.jpeg)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on August 16, 2016, 11:00:57 pm
 :hellosign: Nice progress Chris, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: M0NTIGNAC on August 17, 2016, 06:46:38 am
 :greatwork:  :greatpicturessign: :thankyousign:
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Post by: lil chris on August 17, 2016, 09:38:06 am
Thanks guys for the comments.
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2016, 10:22:52 am
Coming along really well, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mito on August 17, 2016, 05:28:48 pm
Looking very good indeed. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 17, 2016, 08:09:40 pm
Excellent progress, Chris. Thanks for all the photos. I look forward to seeing the finished version.
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Post by: Milton Rail on August 19, 2016, 06:44:46 am
Looking good Chris, good steady progress
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Post by: Bealman on August 19, 2016, 07:03:04 am
 :thumbsup: from Aus, too.
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Post by: port perran on August 19, 2016, 04:24:43 pm
I like this more and more each time I see updates (so please keep them coming).
Great to be able to follow your progress.   Cracking stuff.
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Post by: lil chris on August 19, 2016, 08:37:17 pm
Thanks everyone the comments are appreciated. I started to work on the side of the road down the hill, there was a gap so I started to cover it with card. Then I had a brain surge, why not do the road surface then put the card on top,  a lot easier. So the tarmac is being laid tonight, I am using 1200 abrasive paper from the local car shop, then it's time to add some grass shrubs etc.
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Post by: Mito on August 19, 2016, 10:37:09 pm
It's all looking very good. If you sprinkle talcum powder on the wet and dry then rub your finger over it, it will give the effect of older tarmac.
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Post by: lil chris on August 19, 2016, 10:54:05 pm
I will try that after Mito if I have not messed it up with the plaster I spilt on it. I was not happy with the surface texture of the hill etc, I had run out of grey primer and at first made the colour too bright. I tried to correct it with some dark green but it seemed to hi light the texture of the plaster bandage, I did not get it smooth enough when I laid it. So tonight after I laid the road surface I made a mixture of plaster with added paint and went over the lot, I think it looks a lot better. At least it will be when I paint it the correct colour and add the grass and bushes etc. Here are a few pics for your examination.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-190816224358.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-190816224502.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-190816224624.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 20, 2016, 08:47:25 pm
Coming along very nicely, Chris.
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Post by: lil chris on August 21, 2016, 10:48:06 pm
I have done some painting tonight, I have had to leave the railway room now while the fumes dispearse. I am happy with this colour and I painted it with a airbrush so easy to control where the paint goes. The first pic is of the whole board and the second looking in the down direction towards the fiddle yard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-210816224314.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-210816224423.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Ditape on August 21, 2016, 11:13:40 pm
Nice work,all you have to do now is claen the tops of the rails and get some trains moving. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 21, 2016, 11:33:32 pm
Thanks for the comments Dianne, yes I have vacumed the tracks ready for going over the tracks with some isop and then I can start to run some locos round. I have my newly repaired Type 47 I want to test and hopefully this week a 4MT I am getting for my birthday. I have ordered some tyres from Hattons along with another goods wagon, I can then test the black 5 too. I might go mad and make a video too.
ps the paint by the way is from Com Art ( ready mixed acrylic), I forgot I have the scenery paint set.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 22, 2016, 05:42:32 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. Spraypainting scenery is certainly quicker and easier. Very neat ballasting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2016, 10:20:07 am
I might go mad and make a video too.

That would be much appreciated, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on August 22, 2016, 10:36:16 am
Just as an aside, Chris, when you spray track like that, do you find that pickup is OK just from the top of the rail?

It's been my philosophy for longer than I care to remember that I keep the inside of the track clean to allow pickup from wheel flanges on curves.

 :hmmm: George
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2016, 10:52:19 am
Rightly or wrongly I only bother with the tops of the rails, George, as the wheel width on more modern stuff tends to be a bigger footprint than the flange, unlike the old pizza cutter type.
I have no problems running either type of wheel :no:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 22, 2016, 12:48:38 pm
Hi George I usually clean the top and the inside of the rail after I have painted them while still wet before ballastIing . I use Rail match track Grime, I clean the track after everything is dry with isopropyl.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 22, 2016, 11:00:51 pm
Hooray I have managed to run some trains tonight, not sure why one of the insul frog code 80 points on the fiddle yard sometimes causes the Type 47 to trip the breaker,it seems to be worse if it goes slow. I would have filmed more but then the battery went flat in the cam. Here a a couple of the videos I managed to make. On the first one the type 47 goes over the viaduct, trips the fiddle yard point so there is a pause while I reset it then the 4F with a goods train goes the other way. The third video shows the goods train passing through the station, then over the embankment towards the fiddle yard and then the Type 47 passenger train passing the other way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXBxNafM3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXBxNafM3E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrBEmgLRQSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrBEmgLRQSA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2N4vMNj79E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2N4vMNj79E)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 23, 2016, 10:06:13 am
Thanks, Chris.
I'd like to see a vid of your 4MT running when you get it please ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on August 23, 2016, 10:20:01 am
You up early again, Mick. Sorry, Chris!  ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 23, 2016, 05:10:03 pm
Bit of a sickner my shop is still waiting for stock of the new 4mt,never mind but rest assured I will video it when I get it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 23, 2016, 10:31:26 pm
My shop had run out of stock of tyres for my Black 5, so I ordered from Hattons on Friday. I am still waiting for confirmation of dispatch, I think that is rubbish so that is my last time I use them.A bit more work on the scenics on the embankment tonight although it is a little warm in this loft tonight.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 24, 2016, 09:35:55 am
In their defence I believe the traction tyres and some other things like couplings have only arrived from Farish in the last 3 weeks or so, so maybe the demand was waiting to pounce and they have indeed sold out :hmmm:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 24, 2016, 08:43:15 pm
Hi Mick, I have checked my e-mail they have packed it this morning before 11.00am, still not despatched it yet though.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 24, 2016, 10:04:36 pm
More work tonight on the embankment board, more work on the bridge which needed some ballast mixing so I also tidied up any other ballasting that needed it on the station board.
Pics to follow tomorrow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 25, 2016, 11:29:47 pm
I did some tidying of the ballast which now seems ok, I was fortunate to receive a voucher for Amazon, so I added too and bought myself a new vacuum cleaner for the railway,I have used it already for the loose ballast. The little one I had seems to have packed in, no suction whatsoever. I have now added girders between the tracks and walling along the bank of the embankment near the signal box. I have also started to fit the fencing ( Kestrel) along the side of the track, that is fiddly enough to make a saint swear, it also seems very brittle, a bit of grass next with a bit of luck before weekend. Hopefully I will get my 4MT tomorrow so I can give that a run, I have decided to get the late number, I intend to change it at some time in the future to one of the ones at Bury (29D) Shed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-250816232620.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-250816232754.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-250816232912.jpeg)
You never know I might even get my tyres from Hattons that I orderd last Friday, and pigs might fly, and then I can run the Black 5 too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Lachute on August 26, 2016, 07:02:34 am
It seems that the Hattons shipping service works very very slowly at this moment :veryangry: :censored:
Anyway, thanks for your very interesting updates.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on August 26, 2016, 07:16:38 am
Geez Chris I thought that was some device of questionable function until I realised what it was  ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on August 26, 2016, 10:22:32 am
The girder bridge between the tracks looks great - thanks for the update, am also looking at a handheld vacuum for lifting surplus ballast, would you recommend this one?

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 26, 2016, 12:29:52 pm
 :hellosign: That is an excellent bridge Chris & hope Hattons deliver for you soon thanks for the update
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 26, 2016, 03:34:46 pm
The girder bridge between the tracks looks great - thanks for the update, am also looking at a handheld vacuum for lifting surplus ballast, would you recommend this one?

Cheers,
Andrew
it is on Amazon for £14.99 at the moment,I had a £10 voucher so it was cheap enough for me. It does not have that much suction but let's face it you don't want too much plus it has a filter built in. It was easy to get the surplus ballast back so I can re use it so I would say yes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 26, 2016, 07:11:57 pm
Well thanks to rm my parcel from Hattons arrived today and more good news I collected my new 4mt from my model shop he even gave me some discount. With a bit of luck I should be able to run the Black 5 an the 4mt tonight.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2016, 08:27:04 pm
Good news, Chris. Look forward to seeing them both running, soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 26, 2016, 11:51:53 pm
Well I have successfully chipped my new 4MT and also added crew in the cab, there was plenty room after fitting a CT DCX77z chip. I am well pleased with model, My shop run it round his test track a few times on DC to check it was good runner. It is a good runner and apart from a few hiccups trying to run it on the up line, it catches the platform, so that needs sorting next. Here are a few pics and also a few movies, I apologise in advance for the speed of the 4F goods train, I had to run it fast to avoid it tripping the point in the fiddle yard something else that needs sorting. I just wanted some trains running without stopping and have gradually gone round and further cleaned any section where the loco's seemed to stall, I feel I am getting somewhere now. The other good news is the 4MT negotiated the curved point before the station which is a good. I ahve not had time to put a tyre on the Black 5 yet, too busy playing trains with the 4MT.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-260816233620.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-260816233704.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-260816233809.jpeg)
well pleased with quality of the pics taken with my phone, they where better than the ones taken with my camera. A few movies on the next post.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 27, 2016, 12:06:06 am
Here are a few movies, like i said in the previous post sorry about the speed of the 4F.

4MT out of station through tunnel and over the embankment.

another of the 4Mt over the viaduct and into the station.

Another of the 4MT going over viaduct through the station and over the embankment.

and finally the 4MT stopping in the station.

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on August 27, 2016, 12:18:21 am
Looking great! Love the 4MT.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 27, 2016, 06:43:51 am
Thanks, Chris. Glad your locos. are running well. Hope you can soon fix the other problems. I have always liked the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts. Your new one looks very good but I think I'll stick to my older GF ones.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2016, 09:20:17 am
Cracking pics of the 4MT, Chris. Great quality as you say.
Nice little vids too
@Only Me (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328)
They played just fine, Paul ???


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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 27, 2016, 11:39:07 am
 :hellosign: Thanks for the  :greatpicturessign: & superb videos Chris, good to see the 4MT running well
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 27, 2016, 01:38:18 pm
Did anyone notice the little lms brake van, it's a peco one I got it yesterday secondhand.It must be a early one it is a lot shorter than the other one I have. I might try and get some metal wheels for it I am not keen on plastic wheels.I am trying to build up my stock now so I can have several trains in the storage lines.I have read somewhere that although the 4MT was classed has a mixed traffic engine they where mainly used for passenger duty.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 27, 2016, 01:45:31 pm
Hi Chris, yes, I did notice the little LMS brake van. I think it may well be an early design. It is possible to fit metal wheels to Peco goods stock although I usually just fit new Peco spoked (or solid) wheels, as appropraite.

If you're looking for extra goods stock, (and want to participate in "through" running), Martin and I produce special Cornish PO stock and I also produce some BR livery (Early and Late Bauxite) goods stock, these mainly from Peco kits. Peco kits are a good, cheap way to add goods stock using Halford aerosol paint (red-brown and grey) plus satin black for the underframes and silver for buffers. Then you can experiment with weathering them. 8-).

Yes, the BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4Ts were mainly used on passenger and parcels trains but did also see some use on goods trains, e.g., in North Cornwall.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 27, 2016, 01:52:07 pm
Thanks Chris, I have a airbrush and I am planning on weathering some of my wagons especially the po  ones.I have bought a ngs twin van pack which I will build some time, I noted that the kit has plastic wheels. I think the plastic wheels are more susceptible to dirt that's why I might replace them. That brake van needs the roof changing for a start.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2016, 02:38:44 pm
Hi Chris,

80119 was allocated as per this excellent website
http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&id=80119&type=S&loco=80119 (http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&id=80119&type=S&loco=80119)

If you want to check what may have been allocated to a shed in the area you're modelling (NW England) go back a couple of pages on that website and see what you can find number wise.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 27, 2016, 07:16:25 pm
Thanks Mick I have already looked at that site it is just a bit good. Bury shed (26D) had a few 4MT,s allocated early and late crest. I plan to renumber my loco,s sometime in the future, I also want to renumber one of my Jinty's too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 28, 2016, 12:32:42 am
Thank you to the admin for modifying the videos so they play on the site, not sure what you did.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 28, 2016, 12:46:32 am
I have had my Black 5 running has well here is a video done with the phone not sure if it will play. On my computer windows media plays it upside down,useless, VLC plays it correctly. I will load it via you tube again.
https://youtu.be/FShV3bV3_HQ
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Maurits71 on August 28, 2016, 08:31:57 am
looks like a lovely runner.  ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2016, 09:52:06 am
I'm pleased to see Rose Grove shed have got the Black 5 back in duty ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2016, 10:52:53 am
Thanks Chris, I have a airbrush and I am planning on weathering some of my wagons especially the po  ones.I have bought a ngs twin van pack which I will build some time, I noted that the kit has plastic wheels. I think the plastic wheels are more susceptible to dirt that's why I might replace them. That brake van needs the roof changing for a start.

I forgot about the NGS goods stock kits, Chris. They can make excellent models. (I have bought some ready made via eBay; mainly ex-GWR and ex-SR types but there are LMS types as well, I think.) I look forward to seeing yours in due course. I have weathered (using a paintbrush) some goods stock and grounded van bodies and was pleased with the results. I already have far too many wagons and vans, otherwise I'd also try the NGS goods stock kits. I'd start with the Peco kits, first.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 28, 2016, 02:24:53 pm
I have had my Black 5 running has well here is a video done with the phone not sure if it will play. On my computer windows media plays it upside down,useless, VLC plays it correctly. I will load it via you tube again.
https://youtu.be/FShV3bV3_HQ
:hellosign: Thanks for sharing Chris, looks a really nice runner
regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 29, 2016, 12:24:32 am
By the way Mick where did you get that loco ( 5020) being from Rose Grove, I could not find it on that site, I found a 75020 but it was not Rose Grove and it was a class 4.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2016, 09:48:37 am
By the way Mick where did you get that loco ( 5020) being from Rose Grove, I could not find it on that site, I found a 75020 but it was not Rose Grove and it was a class 4.

It was complete fiction, Chris :D
On the basis you are modelling East Lancs then Lostock Hall shed would be a bit far west and, at the time period you are modelling, Rose Grove was the only other shed available really (Preston shed having gone up in smoke) and, I believe, Rose Grove/Lostock Hall were the only sheds with Black 5s allocated at the time :-\
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 29, 2016, 07:52:26 pm
In a book I have " Railways around Bury" there are a few pics of Black 5's, I will renumber mine to one of them, hopefully one will be from Newton Heath which I believe was 26A. By then Bury 26D was a subsidory shed of Newton Heath. Any way Rule 1 will apply if it has too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2016, 08:22:37 pm
Aha. Bury shed closed in 1965 and Newton heath in 1966. My 1965 Ian Allan Locoshed book lists neither of them.
TBH I thought your era was later than that. Sorry.
This site is another gem.......

http://www.railuk.info/steam/getshed.php?id=149 (http://www.railuk.info/steam/getshed.php?id=149)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2016, 09:12:58 pm
Yes, Newton Heath was coded 26A from 1950 until 9 September 1963 when it became 9D (to 1973), whilst Bury was 26D and became 9M on the same dates but closed in 1965.

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Railways_shed_codes
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 29, 2016, 09:17:44 pm
Thanks Mick and Chris, I knew about the 9m classification. My layout is based loosely on the end of steam and the start of dieasel, So I can run steam and early green diesels.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 30, 2016, 10:03:57 am
My layout is based loosely on the end of steam and the start of dieasel, So I can run steam and early green diesels.

Likewise for 'Kimbolted'. You'll find E.E. Type 4s, Sulzer Type 2s and Metrovicks were introduced in the late 50s - long before the end of steam in the North, while the Brush Type 4s were early 60s. Apart from the Metrovick, all are available from Farish although a new E.E. Type 4 is in the pipeline but don't hold your breath :no:
Have you any other diseasels in mind?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 30, 2016, 10:43:43 pm
Thanks Mick but you have left me there, I know naff all about diesels, EE,and Type 4 etc means nothing. I ended up with the class 47 after swapping it at my shop, it was green and I liked it. That's the one I have just had repaired( split gear ), I also have a green class 108 DMU purchased from the shop too. I am not sure what else might have run on the local railway, I think there was craven class DMU's too again not done rtr in N-gauge. My home town railway, the Bury to Manchester electric, now metrolink, had class 504 EMU's ( third rail) and no one does them rtr. It would be a big job to scratch build one, I have seen one on a 00 gauge layout though. It would be a challenge which I think I will leave for now, the third rail was encased in wood at the side of the track with the pickup on the bogies, it picked up from the side of the rail too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 31, 2016, 08:26:54 am
The English Electric Type 4s (Class 40s) were common in the Manchester area, mainly on freight, and one in BR Green would make a nice addition, I think. Also a BR Type 2 (Class 24 or 25) in BR Green on local goods trains. BR diesel-electric shunters (Class 08) were some of the first diesels to appear and worked alongside steam locos.

http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/ArchiveSteam/lococlass40.htm (http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/ArchiveSteam/lococlass40.htm)

A Class 25, 40, and 101 DMU at Manchester Victoria in BR Blue days:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5212/5538472998_92b06245b1_b.jpg (https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5212/5538472998_92b06245b1_b.jpg)

(I think the Class 101s came to the Manchester area some years after steam had gone.)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 31, 2016, 10:03:15 am
Thanks Chris, I might get a class 40 and even a class 25. Strange I watched a video last night of a class 25 towing a 504 away for repair before they where scrapped.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 31, 2016, 10:00:42 pm
a few jobs tonight, fix  platform 1 & 2, I made a mistake with the clearence, unfortunately I did not check platform 2 was correct. I am using the 4MT and my re railer has a guide now. I have managed to move the platform back slightly, I will have to check the bay platform now, it might be easier to lift the track and move it back slightly.
I have also started on laying the flock on the embankment, using mixes of Woodland Scenics shades, some will be static grass. I have been out in the car today over near Settle and past Ribble Head viaduct, unfortunately no trains passed while I was there. I got some ideas though for the scenery on the embankment board which I should be able to implement.
Pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 01, 2016, 12:09:41 am
Here we are a pic of my latest work on the scenics. One of the things I noticed on the road from Hawes were the little walls each side of the road when passing over a stream so I decided that would be a nice touch at the bottom of the hill for my road.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-010916000846.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 01, 2016, 06:33:51 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. I also plan to use a combination of static grass (at the front of the layout) and grass scatter. Varying the mix of scatter certainly makes the result look more realistic. Sorry to read about your platform problems. I'm always using my BR Autocoach plus a Continental LWB as my 'gauging train'. (They are the same width as an outside crank Class 08.)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 01, 2016, 11:53:31 pm
Well I have had a play run a few trains tonight, it was about time. So i have sorted a few running issues, I had a slight problem where the up line joins the Fiddle yard board,occasionally I had a derailment.  I discovered that a soldered piece of track had disconnected itself so needed re soldering. I moved the platform a bit yesterday and that now seems ok on testing. I have also done a little on the embankment board, I have added a few shrubs. Also I have tidied up the cable from the control panel to the board with cable fasteners. I have had some good running tonight with not too many problems which is mighty satisfying. I am well pleased especially with the 4Mt it is a good runner.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 02, 2016, 07:49:14 am
Very glad to read that, Chris. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 02, 2016, 09:31:15 am
Absolutely nothing wrong with having a playrunning some trains and I'm glad you had a good running session, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on September 02, 2016, 09:44:10 am
All good news.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on September 02, 2016, 12:25:43 pm
Good to hear you had a relatively trouble free running session, looking forward to one or two of them myself!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 02, 2016, 10:04:42 pm
more work tonight, this sure is fun with the scenery. I have made some hedges tonight using scourers,I have fitted them in place they need painting and flock adding etc. I used Tesco scourers, I cut them into strips and tweaked them with the scissors. I do not want square hedging, and I tried to shape them a little, ie narrow at the bottom. I must point out it is not my idea to use scourers, I think Caz did a show you how post on them, not sure if I made mine the same way.
A few pics.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-020916215817.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-020916220242.jpeg)
I have also placed one above the tunnel on the removable piece.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-020916220419.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 03, 2016, 04:25:36 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. The hedges look very good and make a real difference.

Personally, though, I'd file away the rough edges on the hillside in the second picture before repainting the surface and applying scatter. (That's what I do with my hills, anyway.)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 03, 2016, 04:40:36 pm
Hi Chris, you can not see the edges when it is place above the tunnels, it is a small module which I removed to work on.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 03, 2016, 04:53:58 pm
Hi Chris, you can not see the edges when it is place above the tunnels, it is a small module which I removed to work on.

Hi Chris, I meant the hilly area in the photo. with the signal box rather than the removable section which looks very good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 03, 2016, 08:54:20 pm
Sorry Chris , I was looking at 3rd pic. Do not worry I will not leave it like that, still plenty to do yet on this section.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 06, 2016, 10:09:17 pm
More work on the hedges even though it is hot in the loft this evening.I have also added more varnish to the small stream.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-060916220414.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-060916220512.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-060916220625.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2016, 10:26:28 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Good steady progress. The stream is a very attractive feature.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 06, 2016, 10:38:02 pm
Looking better and better. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 07, 2016, 07:44:33 pm
I forgot to add on my last post I bought these off Amazon, pretty pleased with them even come with a case.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-070916194142.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-070916194409.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 08, 2016, 10:26:12 pm
More work on the embankment board, I am trying to finish this board if possible. Some trees have been planted behind the hedge, telegraph poles in position. I have also tidied up the ballast on the single track joining the mainline. I plan now to have a pond in the left front corner, why waste space, perhaps some one fishing could appear here at a later date. I cut a piece of paper the size of the space and made some pond banking out of mounting card to fit. A preliminary colour of grey and cobalt blue to start the pond before varnishing.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-080916221324.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-080916222128.jpeg)
this is the corner for the pond........
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-080916222315.jpeg)
made the banking with mounting card, needs painting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-080916222530.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2016, 10:45:34 pm
Looking better and better, Chris. The fishing pond is a very good idea. You could make reeds from thin toothbrush bristles painted?
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Post by: lil chris on September 08, 2016, 11:50:32 pm
Thanks Chris, I have something similar planned already. I have also planted some more trees, small bush type ones.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on September 09, 2016, 07:20:06 am
Thanks Chris, I have something similar planned already. I have also planted some more trees, small bush type ones.

I look forward to seeing the area develop, Chris.
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Post by: lil chris on September 09, 2016, 10:07:21 pm
A couple of videos after some playing running tonight. I had one or two problems but they were easily sorted, the joint to the fiddle yard on the up line had come loose again, so I re- soldered it again proper job this time. Plus a bit of work on the embankment board with the pond, I have added some varnish and reeds, the reeds might need trimming after it has dried.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF1cpqBzFw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF1cpqBzFw4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPOx3SnmpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPOx3SnmpM)

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Post by: Chris in Prague on September 09, 2016, 10:16:58 pm
Thanks, Chris, for these two videos. Excellent progress.
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Post by: Webbo on September 10, 2016, 02:00:59 am
Great stuff Chris

I'm particularly a fan of your ballasting job, viaduct and the melding of your backdrop into the scene.

Webbo
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Post by: Chetcombe on September 10, 2016, 05:20:06 am
Very nice videos Chris, great to see the progress you have made. Videos are always useful to see the totality of the layout and to allow the mind to see how all the photos link together - keep the videos coming :thankyousign:
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Post by: Bealman on September 10, 2016, 05:31:20 am
Just took a look at the videos, Chris. It's looking great, and of course I love the loco and the colour of the coaches!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: port perran on September 10, 2016, 07:19:30 am
Great videos Chris.
It's good to get on overall picture of the layout. Looking extremely good. And the running seems very smooth.
Lovely stuff.
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Post by: lil chris on September 10, 2016, 11:10:23 pm
Thanks everyone for the kind comments, it is starting to run a bit smoother. The board joint seems fine this time but I am still doing a bit of tweaking. I have noticed the goods wagons twitching slightly has they go over the points in the station, so that needs looking into. It is probably the points gap problem I have read about on this forum and I have also seen a article in the Ngs society magazine so I will add this to the needs doing tag. I am still having problems with the insulfrog points in the fiddle yard, my type 47 causes the circuit breaker to cut, the same happens with the 4F if it is going slowly, you can press the reset button and they re start, but that is a pain if you are not in the centre of the layout.
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Post by: lil chris on September 15, 2016, 10:46:08 pm
A bit of fun again tonight running trains, here is the slow speed running of my 4MT in the station. First backing onto a passenger train, and then pulling into the station with the same train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIXa8E-XKY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIXa8E-XKY&feature=youtu.be)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-BqN_LXMRw&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-BqN_LXMRw&feature=youtu.be)
I am still having running problems with the Black 5, it is a pain in the ****, there must still be a loose connection somewhere. I run it with the passenger train with 6 coaches, it kept stalling in a few places but kept running, I tried to back it in the station onto the back platform and after that it refused to run again so I am back where I started. I will adjust the piece of track concerned because the loco seemed to fowl on it, I may need to wet it to move the ballast. On the tunnel side of the station It is the piece of track from the  point on the back wall  to point on the down line just before the tunnel, looking closely the track does not seem to line up properly.
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Post by: lil chris on September 15, 2016, 11:49:51 pm
After reading through some of the posts tonight, I noticed there did seem to be many class 47's based in the north west, the nearest shed seems to be Crewe. I have seen a video on youtube of a class 47 in Manchester near Victoria station so not sure where they were based. Anyway it is my layout so rule 1 could apply, but I would like to renumber it at some time.
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Post by: Webbo on September 16, 2016, 01:18:11 am
I too had big problems with my Farish black 5. Out of the box it would only run at 100 mph scale speed or not at all. With lots of running, it gradually improved and was getting close to acceptable performance on squeaky clean track. I attributed the problem to over lubrication during manufacture. What was not acceptable was its poor pulling power. A lightweight tender coupled with tender drive meant that it would barely pull 6 coaches up a 1.6% grade (traction issue). So, it had to go which was a pity.

Webbo
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Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2016, 08:30:36 am
Thanks for the update and video, Chris. Sorry to read about your continuing problems and hope you can solve them.

Crewe certainly had a large allocation of Class 47s. I'm not sure whether Manchester (Longsight) (9A) had any in steam days?
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Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2016, 04:23:44 pm
Thanks for the comments, I had the black 5 pulling 6 coaches ok for a while but like I said it suddenly stopped working again. I need to strip it down again and have a look, I have already received moved the pub and hardwired a chip in to the tender. But it had this fault before I did that so that is not the cause.
Regarding the class47, I looked on a site Mick posted and could not see any allocatted to Manchester,the was a nw something listed not sure what that was and of course Crewe.
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 16, 2016, 05:00:45 pm
I've looked in my Locoshed books and there were plenty allocated to 'Western Lines' (WL) which I believe was the area above Crewe up to Carlisle :hmmm:
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Post by: port perran on September 16, 2016, 05:13:31 pm
I think they were relatively common in the North West and in Cumbria.
I've seen pictures of them on Shap etc
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Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2016, 05:17:03 pm
Thanks Mick and Martin, Western Lines that's the one, I will probably use one of there numbers .
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Post by: lil chris on September 22, 2016, 09:48:08 pm
Well I have finally got round to fitting the Dapol signal in place on the embankment board. I have placed it on the up line before the tunnel, just need to sort a feed and check it works before I do the work around it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-220916214547.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2016, 09:59:47 pm
Looks very good, Chris. I hope that you can get it working as you wish.
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Post by: lil chris on September 22, 2016, 10:17:23 pm
Thanks Chris, I am not sure where to work it from yet, I might just have a local push to make switch on the edge of the board near to it. It would be a lot of trouble to have a switch on one of the two control panels, one is for the fiddle yard and the other for the station. I have used the signal on this board because the depth of the baseboard allows it without it sticking out under the board where it would get damaged, they do take some room up. The fiddle yard has a 16V ac feed on it for the peco point motors so I can extend a wire over for that somehow. Another pic of the signal.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-220916221821.jpeg)
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Post by: belstone on September 23, 2016, 09:01:43 am
Well I have finally got round to fitting the Dapol signal in place on the embankment board. I have placed it on the up line before the tunnel, just need to sort a feed and check it works before I do the work around it.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-220916214547.jpeg[/url])


Looking very good, that girder bridge and the massive retaining wall are really nice modelling.  I'm thinking of getting one of those Dapol signals - I really want a lattice post signal but I tried making one from an etched kit and it went badly.

Richard
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Post by: Chris in Prague on September 23, 2016, 09:35:16 am
Well I have finally got round to fitting the Dapol signal in place on the embankment board. I have placed it on the up line before the tunnel, just need to sort a feed and check it works before I do the work around it.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/1784-220916214547.jpeg[/url])


Looking very good, that girder bridge and the massive retaining wall are really nice modelling.  I'm thinking of getting one of those Dapol signals - I really want a lattice post signal but I tried making one from an etched kit and it went badly.

Richard


I have the same problem, Richard, with the lack of readymade lattice post signals. (They are very distinctive.)
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Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2016, 10:16:31 pm
I have done a little work on the layout, I have been continuing work on the pond and more on the tunnel entrances. I have also at last fitted the fiddle yard control panel to the side of the board instead of having it on top of some storage boxes.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-011016220506.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-011016220857.jpeg)
now the tunnel module I have added some more grass and flock and then fitted in postion.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-011016221054.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-011016221241.jpeg)
Finally the control panel fitted to the side of the fiddle yard. The fiddle yard uses Peco motors through a cdu unit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-011016221610.jpeg)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 01, 2016, 10:49:49 pm
 :hellosign: Very nice modelling Chris, thanks for the updates
 regards Derek.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 02, 2016, 06:57:29 am
Thanks for the update. The tunnel module looks much better, now, Chris. The whole area is very realistic looking after this work and your ballasting and trackwork is excellent. Now, perhaps, you need to add a few small trees on the tunnel top, too? (As I've found at Cant Cove, adding trees and shrubs makes a great difference.) Blending different shades of scatter is another useful tip I've picked up. (I've added some surplus ballast brown and sand to my grass mixes to mimic rough grass and am pleased with the results.)
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Post by: lil chris on October 15, 2016, 09:16:28 pm
Hi everyone, I have not done a lot on the layout just lately I could not make my mind up what to do next. I have also been going through a change in my car which should be sorted next week. Back to the layout I decided to start more work in the goods yard, it is my intention to give the impression of cinders up to the track. Rather than spend a fortune on buying bags of cinders at £4. + a bag I have decided to build up the level to the edge of the track with some thin cork I have left, paint that black and then put the cinders on. I am in the process of sticking down small pieces of cork to fit between the tracks. Pics to follow when it looks something like.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 15, 2016, 09:42:21 pm
Hi everyone, I have not done a lot on the layout just lately I could not make my mind up what to do next. I have also been going through a change in my car which should be sorted next week. Back to the layout I decided to start more work in the goods yard, it is my intention to give the impression of cinders up to the track. Rather than spend a fortune on buying bags of cinders at £4. + a bag I have decided to build up the level to the edge of the track with some thin cork I have left, paint that black and then put the cinders on. I am in the process of sticking down small pieces of cork to fit between the tracks. Pics to follow when it looks something like.

Hi, Chris. Building up the goods yard surface with cork is a good idea. (I have also used layers of thick cardboard.) Part of my goods yard is covered with carborundum paper presprayed matt dark grey. The rest is just spraypainted card and the difference is not visible. I guess that very fine sand applied then spraypainted, when dry, with matt dark grey would also work instead of cinders? I look forward to seeing the photos. in due course.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 15, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Cadge a couple of lumps of coal off someone you know has a real fire, put them in a suitable bag and then lay about them with a hammer until they are 'N gauge size' then glue down with PVA. You even have the coal smell as a Brucie Bonus :D. Leftovers can be glued to card and used as wagon loads.
Smokeless nuts do not have the same appeal/effect :no: ;)
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Post by: lil chris on October 16, 2016, 10:38:05 pm
good idea Mick trouble is finding someone burning coal round here, where you live out in the sticks it might be ok. Having said that, a few people nowadays seem keen on wood burning fires. I think I will stick with my idea, I have one bag of Woodland Scenics cinders already bought ages ago, just hoping one bag will be enough mixed with the powder glue and then ready to go.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 17, 2016, 06:58:27 am
You could try very fine beach type sand and spray it black after the glue has set?
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Post by: lil chris on October 18, 2016, 08:09:09 pm
Thanks Chris, I will try plan 1 first and see how that goes, your idea could be plan 2.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 18, 2016, 08:14:04 pm
I hope it all goes well, Chris.
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Post by: Milton Rail on October 19, 2016, 08:38:28 am
look forward to seeing how your goods yard develops with interest.  Your removable scenic sections look great when they are in situ, you have given me a germ of an idea how I can tackle some of my scenic areas which will be quite hard to access once the layout gets built up
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Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2016, 08:49:49 am
Cadge a couple of lumps of coal off someone you know has a real fire, put them in a suitable bag and then lay about them with a hammer until they are 'N gauge size' then glue down with PVA. You even have the coal smell as a Brucie Bonus :D. Leftovers can be glued to card and used as wagon loads.
Smokeless nuts do not have the same appeal/effect :no: ;)
Smokeless nuts..... intriguing, Mick.

I used to enjoy roasting nuts by an open fire.  :D

However, it has been said over and again over the years in the model railway press that nothing looks more like coal than real coal.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 10:14:21 am

I used to enjoy roasting nuts by an open fire.  :D



I suggest you don't sit so close, George :worried:
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Post by: Bealman on October 19, 2016, 10:47:36 am
Good morning Mick. I shall heed the advice.  :thumbsup:

But looking back at Chris' posts, it's coming on a treat. I love those tunnel entrances.
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Post by: lil chris on October 19, 2016, 08:08:08 pm
Thanks for the nice comments Bealman, much appreciated. I am still working on the goods yard sticking bits of cork between the rails. It is a tedious job but it needs doing, hopefully it will look good when the cinders are down.
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Post by: lil chris on October 20, 2016, 09:58:53 pm
I have done more work on the goods yard today. I got fed up trying to piece it up with old cork which also would not lie flat so I went to my model shop and bought some more, it is far easier with new stuff. I was very tempted while in my model shop he tried to sell me a nice weathered B1 and a weathered Jubilee, both chipped for dcc. I have to much to outlay this month, I needed two tubes for my fishtank and the oven is playing up so I will probably need to buy one of those next week. Here are a couple of pics showing the cork up to the edge of the track, it needs painting black before I lay the cinders. I managed to buy some more cinders today, it was Jarvis and only £1.49 a bag so I bought two, so I should have enough to lay the whole yard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-201016215710.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-201016215826.jpeg)
it of course needs painting black before laying the cinders.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2016, 10:26:48 pm
Not that I'm trying to spend your money, Chris, but if the weathered B1 is the Farish one, mine is one of my best runners ;)
I seem to be suffering unexpected expenses, too, such as a new DVD player and new cordless phones ::)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 20, 2016, 10:42:11 pm
Looking good, Chris. You have my sympathy about tempting additional expenditures on N Gauge rolling stock. The BR Crimson & Cream Maunsell coaches are out and there are bargain Graham Farish BR Standard 4-6-0s in BR Lined Black still available (but nor for much longer I fear).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2016, 10:18:58 am
Thanks guys, the B1 was a Dapol , the Jubilee was GF. Must admit very tempted but like I said can not afford just now.
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Post by: Milton Rail on October 21, 2016, 12:58:48 pm
Goods yard looks great!  look forward to seeing it progress - well done on resisting the temptations.. I am trying to do the same.... with more success then usual of late though as I have pretty much reached saturation point on rolling stock! ... although the GF 2-8-0 "Vulcan" is in in my line of sight now....

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Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2016, 10:09:19 pm
I have laid some more cork and painted it black ready for the next stage.
a couple more pics....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-211016220724.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-211016220857.jpeg)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 21, 2016, 11:07:04 pm
 :hellosign: That's excellent work Chris, thanks for the updates
     regards Derek.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 22, 2016, 07:27:33 am
Looking good, Chris. Well worth the fiddly work cutting all the pieces to size. I hope the next stage goes as well, too. Thanks for the update.
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Post by: lil chris on October 22, 2016, 10:14:59 pm
I have done some more work tonight on the goods yard. I have extended the cobbled road farther into the goods yard along the back wall. I was going to lay some cinders but my mist bottle seems to have stopped working so I need to get another. I have a woodland scenics spray bottle but using that would be like a bull in a china shop, cinders all over the place. I have noticed to what I thought was Jarvis cinders is in fact extra fine tarmac ballast, it is similar to the woodland scenics but not has fine. I will use the woodland scenics around the track and mix the other towards the back. Pics to follow.
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Post by: Milton Rail on October 23, 2016, 09:07:52 am
Great progress, thanks for the update
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 23, 2016, 12:59:57 pm
I look forward to seeing the pictures in due course, Chris.
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Post by: lil chris on October 24, 2016, 09:50:46 pm
This is my first attempt at laying my cinders and glue mix, it is still wet yet after spraying a fine mist of water over the lot. It will need patching up in places, I accidently touched part of it which is bad news once wet. I will see what it looks like dry, I think it does not look too bad. I have concentrated on the track areas most, I have used the woodland scenics cinders and I have plenty left I will not need to use the Jarvis fine macadam pkt.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-241016214525.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 25, 2016, 08:14:30 am
Looks very good to me, Chris. Thanks for the update.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 25, 2016, 09:48:04 am
Looks fine to me, too, Chris :thumbsup:
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Post by: Milton Rail on October 25, 2016, 12:35:37 pm
very nice - looking great
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Post by: lil chris on October 26, 2016, 08:13:34 pm
Here are a couple more pics after another mix has been added. Looking at the pics there are still a few blank spaces that the pics show up.So more needs to be added yet, special care needs to be taken around the points. They worked lovely before I did this so fingers crossed, I have ordered a Tomix track cleaning car which will need converting to dcc from Dapol. I have a Sharge track cleaning car but it is too wide for a lot of the track. I have tried contacting them several times to try and get a narrower pad fixing clip but I still get no reply. I need to clean the track again so I can run more trains so decided now is the time to get one with the vacume feature..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-261016201526.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-261016201643.jpeg)
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Post by: port perran on October 26, 2016, 08:25:53 pm
Looks good.
I find the camera often highlights very minimal flaws that actually look good at normal viewing distance. I think things looking less than perfect often work well to the naked eye.
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Post by: lil chris on October 26, 2016, 10:56:43 pm
Thanks Martin, I thought it looked good till I checked the pics which can be decieveing. I need to make sure all the fine cinders are glued down, it still seems loose in places. That is something I can not afford to happen, I may spray over the lot with a pva mix yet. That is the reason I have ordered the Tomix cleaning car, I have just had my class 47 repaired it had a split gear. I think that possibly a bit of ballast or something may have caused the problem.
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Post by: port perran on October 27, 2016, 07:16:55 am
I fix loose bits down with a dollop of scenic cement which I just pour over with a spoon and let it spread (which it does really well).
I find this works with ballast and scenic material such as fine gravel,sand and scatter material.
It sets everything firmly but doesn't alter the colour or show at all.
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Post by: lil chris on October 27, 2016, 10:41:01 am
Thanks again Martin I will try that I have some scenic cement.
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Post by: lil chris on October 27, 2016, 10:26:10 pm
More work on the goods yard tonight. I hoovered up any loose cinders first with my cleaner so I can recyle those. I have mixed another batch of cinders and laid those on top gradualy building the level up.
Some good news today, my Tomix cleaner will be dispatched soon from Dapol, I have also ordered the conversion pcb from Germany. More good news George from Sharge has contacted me regarding the Sharge track cleaner, if I return it to him he will modify it for me. I will get that done you can not have enough track cleaning gear on n-gauge layouts. I can use the sharge with the isop and use the vacume feature on the Tomix, best of both worlds. Here is the latest pic of the goods yard......nearly forgot to post it then......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/1784-271016221938.jpeg)
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Post by: Milton Rail on October 28, 2016, 07:06:43 am
Coming on a treat Chris, looks great.  Do you mind me asking where you found the PCB conversion boards for the Tomix Track Cleaners?  I got myself a couple last month, but have not been able to find a source of the DCC conversion cards as yet
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Post by: Sprintex on October 28, 2016, 07:59:22 am
You can get the PCB here:-

http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Tomix/33-2-000-4850-0-0-0-0-0-2-0-gatt-gb-p-0/produkt.html (http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/produkt/Tomix/33-2-000-4850-0-0-0-0-0-2-0-gatt-gb-p-0/produkt.html)

DCC Supplies usually do them but they're out of stock at the moment.


Paul
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Post by: Bealman on October 28, 2016, 08:27:39 am
That's looking really, really good.

Was that 3 way a nightmare to ballast?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 28, 2016, 10:11:44 am
Yes that is where I am getting good mine from modellbahn-lippe. Yes the 3 way point was a little tricky, a bit at a time is the way to go.I am using the powder glue mixed with the ballast then sprayed with water mist.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 29, 2016, 11:08:58 pm
Well I have my Tomix car from Dapol, good service and delivery. I am waiting for my modified plate from germany so I can convert the unit to dcc.
I have done more work on the goods yard, I have used a spoon and some Woodland Scenics scenic cement over all the cinders to make sure it is all glued down. I do not want any stray cinders getting in my loco's and causing problems.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 08:47:58 pm
After being made to feel like a cyber criminal (Paypal, Visa, MasterCard & different Visa all rejected!) I managed to get a couple of the cards, thanks for the info Chris & Paul.  Think it may have been more to do with the transaction originating out of West Africa!  My partner was able to follow the link and order them for me (and a bag of unpainted military figures happen to drop into the shopping cart too) :) 

I would be indebted if you post a photo set of how you upgraded your unit!  I am hoping it is pretty simple plug & play arrangement...but fear not! 
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Post by: port perran on October 30, 2016, 08:51:32 pm
Well I have my Tomix car from Dapol, good service and delivery. I am waiting for my modified plate from germany so I can convert the unit to dcc.
I have done more work on the goods yard, I have used a spoon and some Woodland Scenics scenic cement over all the cinders to make sure it is all glued down. I do not want any stray cinders getting in my loco's and causing problems.
I'd make sure that you go over with a vacuum cleaner just to make sure.
I'm always worried that something loose will be picked up by a loco sometime.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2016, 09:08:38 pm
Yes Martin I intend to run the vac over the area, can not afford to take any chances. Milton Rail I take it you are talking about the Tomix cleaning car, you have to strip it and replace the pcb with the modified one from Germany. Then you fit a 90 degree de coder, by the way the Bachmann one is the wrong way round which is a pity because I have one of those in my box. You can try and get a 90 degree decoder from somewhere or try and bend the pins on one yourself, beware some will not bend, I believe Lenz is one of those. You only need a cheap decoder any way to control the motor speed so I will use a Bachmann decoder,I think I have a spare one if not I will pinch one out of one of my loco's that has one.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 09:17:23 pm
Thanks Chris, yes it was the Tomix cleaning car I was referring to - will have a look out for a 90 degree decoder/cheap one ... I only have digitrax & lenz ones at the moment.  The modified PCB's are on their way after the link you & Sprintex gave me

I got my cars from Plaza Japan & took the opportunity to get 2, with a view to run one in cleaning mode, the other in vacuum mode.

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2016, 09:29:43 pm
 @Milton Rail (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4934)

Did you get your car at a good price, I know they were going for less than £30 when I last looked. But some guys were having trouble with customs charges plus the Post Office adding a charge too. So when I saw Dapol had one in stock for just over £50 I bought one. I have looked in my box I have what I think is a tcs chip and a chip with blue wrap on it which I think is a Bacmann chip, I have a ESU tester so I can put them in that to find out what they are.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on October 30, 2016, 09:35:35 pm
I just had a quick look at the Dapol page and then did a calc on what I paid... with the additional charge by the boys in red, it worked out at £37 each, I also got some other bits as well (including replacement disc's and cleaners) as well as some scenic bits & pieces....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 30, 2016, 09:58:32 pm
I read on the Dapol site they do not recommend using isop so I have now ordered some of their cleaner, I should have ordered it when I ordered the car and saved some postage, you live and learn. I had used some isop in my Sharge cleaning car and it has brought the paint off so intend to play safe with the Tomix.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 31, 2016, 07:53:21 pm
Well I have my Tomix and now the new pcb from Germany, just need to figure it out, the instructions are in German unfortunately.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-311016195238.jpeg)

now the fun begins...........watch this space......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: georgehgv on November 01, 2016, 07:56:55 am
Well I have my Tomix and now the new pcb from Germany, just need to figure it out, the instructions are in German unfortunately.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-311016195238.jpeg[/url])

now the fun begins...........watch this space......



The Rico right angle chip fits correctly, and I have pm'd you about this Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2016, 08:27:56 pm
Would you believe it Dapol sent me loco oil instead of the track cleaner so no rush to fix the Tomix yet. More work planned tonight on the goods yard, I need to make a small coaling stage for the loco shed, I also intend to put a small disc signal near where the shunting magnet is hidden. I have another magnet hidden between to two main tracks in the station, not sure what I can put there, not sure if they would have used shunting signals between the platforms in the station. I have made a dark mark on the track for now so I know where it is, it will not be much use when a train is over it though.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 08:36:04 pm
How about a couple of wooden sleepers laid alongside to mark the place, Chris?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2016, 08:53:49 pm
Thanks George and Chris, the sleepers are a possible idea, I might consult with a guy at my local model shop on the possibilty of placing a shunting signal there.

Here is a warning of using isop alcohol in track cleaners, this is what it has done to my Sharge cleaning wagon.
I had forgot I managed to cut the wire clip down in width myself so I might not have to return it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-011116204703.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-011116204754.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: georgehgv on November 01, 2016, 08:59:34 pm
I have a CMX which I hooe to push with a class 60 because they are about the post powerful loco I have. I was going to use isopropyl in CMX, not so sure now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2016, 09:09:56 pm
Yes I was going to use it in the Tomix but Dapol advise against it that is why I have sent for their cleaner.
 I forgot I picked up a couple of small Peco LMS 7 plank wagons in the model shop, I also picked up a Lima wagon too but that looks slightly overscale and one coupling is duff so I might take it back to swap. That one has steel wheels though, the two Peco's have plastic wheels.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-011116210508.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: TylerB on November 01, 2016, 09:24:56 pm
I have another magnet hidden between to two main tracks in the station, not sure what I can put there

Could always put a little figure standing on the platform at that point, use them as a marker so you know where the magnet is - maybe a member of miniature railway staff, overseeing the shunting operation?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 09:29:41 pm
If those Peco wagons are old, Chris, it's worth buying a pack of Peco plastic spoked wagon wheels and replacing the old, dirty, solid ones. It is possible to replace them with metal wheels, too. Lima wagons are, usually, overscale but the wagon bodies can be mounted on suitable Peco wagon chassis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 01, 2016, 09:46:42 pm
Thanks Chris, I will have to look out for some of those wheels. I am gradually building my stock. I have a coach and another wagon from Model railways direct arriving later in the week.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 01, 2016, 09:57:14 pm
I may have some BR livery stock surplus, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 02, 2016, 10:24:35 pm
I am a bit chuffed today, Dapol sent me the cleaning fluid which arrived today, so they made up for their error. Tonight I fitted the modified board in the Tomix, I have used a Bachmann chip which was a tight squeeze, so I ground a touch off the weight and then put some Kapton tape on for good measure. I have given the Tomix a address of 9999, I just need to figure out the instructions, they send a English version but the fig2 etc do not seem to match up, I have got the jist of it. Here are a couple of pics, My test track and ESU unit and the Tomix on the test track itself after testing.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-021116221236.jpeg)
Note the Bachmann chip in the tester....... suitibly modified to a L shape.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-021116221357.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 02, 2016, 10:39:16 pm
Also while messing with my Tomix i have done more work on the Goods yard and Engine shed. I have made a coaling platform out of old platform pieces, added some steps I just need to fix in place the coal staithes on top. Here is a pic of the progress so far, I need to put some imitation coal on the coal staith. I also intend to place a water tower facing the coal stage, I have a kit somewhere that needs building.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-021116223830.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 03, 2016, 06:29:45 am
Thanks for the latest updates, Chris. Glad you've been able to sort out your track cleaner.

The coal loading platform is coming along very well. Some spilt coal and discarded loco. ash would be good to add as well as the water crane.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 03, 2016, 06:52:09 am
For some reason, I've always had a thing about coal staithes.

Always epitomised steam railways to me. I think seeing The Berrow Branch in RM (1960?) also helped.

Anyway, yours looks like it will be the part when completed!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2016, 07:20:44 am
The coaling platform is looking great. Could I suggest some fencing at the rear an sides?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2016, 11:27:17 am
Thanks guys for the ideas, great minds think alike. While I was out walking I saw some ashes from a bq so I put a few pieces in a bag.I have also found what looks like concrete fencing in my spares box which I might be able to use for the coal Staithes.  The bq ashes when they have dried out i will use for the ash pit which is on the other side of the engine shed. When I placed the coal stage in position I marked round it then cut the cork to fit.so you can not see a gap, I will do the same with the water tower when I have made it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2016, 07:50:15 pm
Well I managed to swap the faulty wagon for a nice little GF one and also found a old LMS corridor coach, not sure what it is, I also bought some Peco wagon wheels and another Ratio water crane. I also had delivery from Model Railways Direct a GF Mk1 BG Full Brake and a Dapol LMS 7 plank wagon which is weathered, that is me skint for a while now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-031116194948.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2016, 08:29:47 pm
Here is another pic of th s/h coach I bought, can anyone advise what it is. It does not have gf on the bottom but I think it is GF, it would be nice to know what model of coach it is. I know it is a early corridor coach, is it a early Stanier. I have a GF 57ft mainline coach ( 0626)  and it is very similar and is the same length, that does not have gf on the bottom and the bogies and the bottom are the same.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-031116202017.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 03, 2016, 11:51:43 pm
More work tonight on the coal stage, concrete walling added and more realistic coal to the staithes. I have made a start on the water crane, you can see a hole where the base/grid is going, I am waiting for the paint to dry. I found some railings which were the correct size for the rail over road bridge so I have added them, they need painting yet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-031116234945.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-031116235118.jpeg)

Does anyone know if the Ratio weighbridge kit come with the weigh bridge or is just a hut. I think one would fit nice in the wide cobble road behind the engine shed coal stage.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2016, 06:56:34 am
Good morning, Chris, thanks for the latest photos. and descriptions. The coal loading platform is coming along nicely.

Yes, the Ratio (plastic) weighbridge kit come with the (embossed metal) weigh bridge.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 04, 2016, 08:19:17 am
Looking good Chris.
I assume that you will "dirty up" the coal loading stage.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 04, 2016, 10:22:34 pm
More work on the water crane tonight,it is so fiddly a real test of patience and weathering of the coal staithes etc. I managed to get the weigh bridge kit today in exchange for another type of water tower which I do not need. I will start on that when I have finished this crane kit if I ever do.......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Croxy on November 04, 2016, 10:57:03 pm
Looking really good....look forward to seeing more!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 04, 2016, 11:21:47 pm
More work tonight on the the coal stage and the water crane. That crane is fiddly to say the least especially with my eyes nowadays, it would not be so bad but my magnifying desk lamp has packed in. The fire devil was hard and the water overflow cup would not stay in place no matter which glue I used, I have tried Humbrol poly and EMA Plastic weld I ended up using superglue. I have also placed the weigh bridge itself into place, it needs painting probably some sort of grey.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-041116231639.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 05, 2016, 12:30:16 am
 :hellosign:  Thanks for the updates Chris, nice work, looking good  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 05, 2016, 11:11:29 pm
More work today, I have managed to fit the fire devil.... phew, also ash the other side of the engine shed next to the pit. The hut for the weigh bridge is in the paint shop.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-051116230951.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 06, 2016, 06:20:52 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris, and the excellent photo. The water crane and fire devil look very good indeed. I have the same kit coming for my loco. yard. It looks like you need to glue some more material to fully hide the base of the loco. shed. The ash pile could be a little more 'heaped', I think. Maybe, add some yellow-brown grass in places? Maybe some greener grass around the bottom of the drainpipes? A covered bike rack for the loco. crew's bikes might be a nice addition? I have several already painted, somewhere, but have just to position one in the crowded loco. shed yard and one in the station area. A bench near the water crane for the driver to sit on whilst the fireman coals and waters the loco. could look good.

I take it that you've still to paint the weigh bridge shown? I also have one plus hut already painted, somewhere, but have just to position it in the crowded goods yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 06, 2016, 07:57:58 am
That shed , coal stage and water crane make a lovely little scene Chris
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 06, 2016, 05:36:39 pm
Yes, a lovely little cameo. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 06, 2016, 10:20:33 pm
more work tonight on the goods yard and engine facility. I have painted the weigh bridge behind the hut. The weigh bridge hut still needs more painting yet to the walls and roof plus the glazing needs adding. It is not fixed in place yet but that is where it will be fixed. The ash is some old bq ash with added powder glue but I noticed it was not totally glued down so after spraying with the mist spray I have also used a teaspoon of scenic glue over the top. I am thinking of possibly some walling seperating the weigh bridge and goods yard from the engine shed and signal box.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-061116221940.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 07, 2016, 09:19:30 am
Thanks, Chris, for this latest update. The whole area gets better and better. If the weighbridge belongs to BR, shouldn't the hut's woodwork be painted in BR Maroon?

I'd add a wall with an entrance gate around the loco. shed area.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 08, 2016, 12:01:55 am
More work tonight, I have painted the woodwork maroon on the hut, I think that is probably the correct colour. Also fitted the glazing and the end boards on the roof, it still needs more painting yet, no rush. Also more ground work around the engine shed, also added more ash to the ash pile, I have poured scenic glue over it to fix in position. Pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 08, 2016, 03:19:26 am
Looking good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 08, 2016, 09:33:48 pm
Thanks everyone, today while in the model shop the owner showed me these, I could not resist them even though they were expensive, for my little pond on the embankment board/scene. Also more painting work on the weighbridge hut, enamel takes a while to dry. Pity my model shop had no cycles or cycle shed that I wanted for my engine shed scene,he had lots of n-gauge figures the other week and they have all gone.There is no rush I will get some eventually, maybe a Christmas present from one of my sons or if not from myself.....he..he.
Pic of the pond and two of the expensive fishermen.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-081116213321.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 08, 2016, 09:40:52 pm
An excellent added scenic feature, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 09, 2016, 12:24:24 am
more work tonight, sheep and fencing painted. Sorry pic a bit blured, it was taken with my phone, my fault though not the phone it is blured.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-091116002214.jpeg)
since I took this pic I have lightened the fencing a touch, it looked a bit to dark.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: wookie on November 09, 2016, 07:08:30 pm
I haven't managed to get on here much in the last couple of months, but I am pleased to see that you are making progress Chris
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 09, 2016, 10:56:42 pm
Work on the walling, the weigh bridge placed hut in position and a bit of detailing around the engine shed.Not finished yet, well layouts are never finished really are they.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-091116225327.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-091116225455.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-091116225616.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 10, 2016, 12:52:08 am
A lovely little scene, Chris, and I see another one of my favourites, the tall signal box has snuck in too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 10, 2016, 05:11:16 am
That's looking really good, Chris :thumbsup:
The camera has picked out a black line running from the signal box past the shed that you might want to disguise.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 10, 2016, 04:04:56 pm
Been looking but not commented for a while. It's coming on really well. I like it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2016, 08:52:19 pm
Thanks Mick for pointing that out, it is where the cork finishes, I struggled to get it flat. The original board was 12" wide and I added another 6" which made a bit of a dip in the boards so I put cork over the top.
I have done some more work tonight disguising that line for a start, a bit more fencing and generally tidying up any gaps in the goods yard cinders. more pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2016, 08:54:08 pm
Thanks Bealman, there was now way I was throwing that signal box, I think it fits in nicely, being tall the signal men have a good view over the adjacent road bridge.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 10, 2016, 08:56:52 pm
being tall the signal men have a good view over the adjacent road bridge.

Hope they aren't too tall to enter the signal box :-X
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2016, 09:02:14 pm
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)  Mick I would change my text so it reads correct but it would spoil your joke...he..he..ha..ha...
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 10, 2016, 09:54:00 pm
You shouldn't encourage him  ::)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 11, 2016, 10:41:52 pm
More work tonight around the signal box and engine shed, I realised that last night I had put some real coal down instead of cinders.......I MUST WEAR MY GLASSES.........corrected the mistake tonight. Some good news I managed to get a new tube for my magnifying lamp and it now works, now maybe I can see more of those little sheep that need painting. I have done some more or less blind and I have glued them in the field near the embankment. When looking for the light tube on Amazon I found some little people 100 pieces for £1.63 free postage, even if they are a bit rubbish I could put them in coaches.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on November 11, 2016, 10:50:39 pm
Looking good Chris.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 11, 2016, 10:59:02 pm
Would you believe I was going to paint the faces on the sheep, I even took a pic of some in a field when out walking. Of course they are well too small even with the magnifying lamp working...he...he
Pics to follow.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on November 11, 2016, 11:04:40 pm
Just dip their heads in black paint, then you will not be able to tell where the eyes etc are  :thumbsup:. Of course, if you drop one in the paint, that can be your 'black sheep'.  :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 11, 2016, 11:10:24 pm
The ones I have came in a small packet I think they are made by Peco. You get what I thought was a little dog, the wife pointed out to me it had pointed ears so it is probably a fox...he...he
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 12, 2016, 07:10:50 am
The ones I have came in a small packet I think they are made by Peco. You get what I thought was a little dog, the wife pointed out to me it had pointed ears so it is probably a fox...he...he

Aha....I feel a hunting scene coming on with horse riders and a pack of hounds  :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 12, 2016, 10:44:38 pm
Well the sheep are in the field and the other side of the road two men are fishing in the pond. I have also tidied up the area around the engine shed, the dreaded black line that showed up in the pics.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-121116223646.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-121116224128.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-121116224302.jpeg)

Anybody noticed the fox watching the sheep, ..........................................................well sorry you will not find it yet, I painted it black I thought it was a dog so it needs re painting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 12, 2016, 10:57:58 pm
"I see a red fox and I want it painted black......" :music:

Nice work, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 12, 2016, 11:08:10 pm
 :hellosign: Looking good Chris , thanks for sharing
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 14, 2016, 06:34:23 pm
Looking good and looking forward to seeing the fox make an appearance .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 14, 2016, 09:14:24 pm
I thought I would post a few over view pics tonight showing the whole layout but first I found this wagon kit in my box, I only seem to have the plastic bag, I think it might be a NGS kit I have bought. So here is a pic of that first.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116210504.jpeg)

Here are the views of the layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116210846.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116211002.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116211136.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116211245.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116211352.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 14, 2016, 09:25:21 pm
here is a overhead view of the station and goods yard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116212335.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-141116212449.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on November 14, 2016, 09:34:51 pm
Nice photos. It's great to see how it all fits together. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 15, 2016, 05:21:19 pm
More work tonight around the signal box and engine shed, I realised that last night I had put some real coal down instead of cinders.......I MUST WEAR MY GLASSES.........corrected the mistake tonight. Some good news I managed to get a new tube for my magnifying lamp and it now works, now maybe I can see more of those little sheep that need painting. I have done some more or less blind and I have glued them in the field near the embankment. When looking for the light tube on Amazon I found some little people 100 pieces for £1.63 free postage, even if they are a bit rubbish I could put them in coaches.


Hi Chris, I made a similar purchase of bargain priced little people a few weeks back. They are slowly being transformed into better looking "staff".

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=34077.msg395126#msg395126 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=34077.msg395126#msg395126)

Hope that you work some magic with your figures. I am sure that you will, I have been following your impressive progress. Keep the photos coming.  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 15, 2016, 08:04:19 pm
Tonight we have a small goods train from Cant Cove, the wagons have been emptied already, they do not hang around at this goods yard.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-151116200106.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 15, 2016, 08:18:21 pm
Thanks everyone for the kind comments, much appreciated.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2016, 09:11:21 pm
Thanks, Chris, for the excellent photo. I'm glad that the goods train safely arrived in the NW. With some weathering and NGS transfers, the two mineral wagons should make a fine addition to your rake. The "Conflat" was left in semi-gloss BR Bauxite (Early) to make adding transfers easier. The decking could also be painted a matt wood colour. (Afterwards, it should be sprayed with matt varnish.) Smaller wheels would lower the height of the Lima horse box; although the original Lima 'cookie cutter' metal wheels have been replaced with plastic ones.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 16, 2016, 10:34:18 pm
I have been working tonight on the goods yard sidings. I noticed the wagons were catching a point operating rod so I trimmed that carefully with a cutting disc. I also checked the inside of the rails where some cinders wanted trimming back causing uneven running for the wagons. I have taken some close up pics of the layout showing the different sections as they are at this time including the fiddle yard. Still plenty work to do on every section, non are completed yet.
1st pic the Church corner
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116222408.jpeg)
looking down the viaduct from the church
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116222536.jpeg)
looking towards the station and goods yard from the church
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116222708.jpeg)
looking down the embankment board from the town.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116222854.jpeg)

The fiddle yard pic also shows the PSX Circuit breakers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116223029.jpeg)
this is the guts of the system The NCE SB5 Booster.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-161116223356.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 16, 2016, 10:49:19 pm
Thanks for the photos., Chris. Your ballasting is particularly impressive. The goods / loco. yard area is coming along very well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2016, 07:15:45 am
Looks really good.
Excellent work.
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Post by: dannyboy on November 17, 2016, 08:34:22 am
It's all looking good Chris.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Newportnobby on November 17, 2016, 12:28:01 pm
That looks really good, Chris :thumbsup:
Now come on out of that church steeple before you fall and hurt yourself :telloff:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 17, 2016, 08:14:51 pm
Thanks everyone and Mick for the comments.
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Post by: wookie on November 17, 2016, 08:55:34 pm
It's all looking really rather spiffing Chris old chap  :D
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Post by: Mito on November 17, 2016, 09:07:11 pm
It's all looking really rather spiffing Chris old chap  :D

I'd say it was super spiffing old boy. :laughabovepost:

Looks very good indeed Chris. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Steve.T on November 17, 2016, 09:19:51 pm
Great layout  :thumbsup:
Nothing more to add really as it's all been said, but looks really good and thanks for taking time to upload the pictures.

Steve
 :beers:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on November 17, 2016, 09:57:39 pm
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  I`ll say it again superb modelling Chris, thanks for sharing  :thumbsup:
    regards Derek.
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Post by: ptopo on November 20, 2016, 10:00:47 pm
Looking better with every photo Chris, lovely stuff, so many smart features.

 :thankyousign:

PT
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Post by: lil chris on November 20, 2016, 10:05:40 pm
Well tonight I decided to paint the foxes, that was tricky they are so small but I think I have the effect I want. I will plant them on the layout somewhere when the paint is dry,I used Humbrol enamel. I have also been working on a few kits telegraph pole, huts etc. Here are a couple of pics one of the foxes and another of the church corner where I have done some more work on.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-201116222518.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-201116222755.jpeg)

Another pic of the Church cutting, the Church has a new tree, thanks Chris in Prague
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-201116223451.jpeg)
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Post by: Newportnobby on November 20, 2016, 10:39:53 pm
Everything looks great Chris and I admire your painting of the foxes as they are so small :goggleeyes:
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when they get those sprues out from where they've been pushed :no: :laugh3:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 21, 2016, 07:07:33 am
Looks good Chris.
Hope those fixes won't be worrying the sheep
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Post by: Chris in Prague on November 21, 2016, 07:27:59 am
Thanks for these latest updates, Chris. The two foxes look superb. To their right, there seems to be another animal though on a sprue?

The tree looks very good where you've planted it. I'm glad you have been able to make use of it. I did not need so many identical trees and North Cornwall does not have many trees anyway. (That said, I have treated myself to a very nice, Czech-made oak tree. It's rather large so must be very old. It's known as "King Arthur's Oak".)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2016, 10:08:23 am
Thanks for the comments everyone.I.  by the way Chris I do not know if you noticed but I darkened the tree a touch it was a little too bright for me but a nice shape.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 21, 2016, 10:19:20 am
Thanks for the comments everyone.I.  by the way Chris I do not know if you noticed but I darkened the tree a touch it was a little too bright for me but a nice shape.

My pleasure, Chris. Detecting shades of green is notoriously difficult in photographs. However, you're not the only one who has remarked that the Chinese-made trees need their colour 'toning down' even though it's always early summer at Cant Cove! 8-) I don't plan to keep many but those I do keep I will try to dull down the colours and may even add green scatter to improve the look of the foliage. (I still have plenty to experiment on.) The Czech-made oak tree has the colours just right in my opinion (but then it cost very much more than one Chinese-made deciduous tree did!).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2016, 09:48:22 pm
More work tonight, just doing bits and bats, I have placed the fox and another two lambs in the field. More work on the church cutting and I have been painting some more telegraph posts, also more work on another hut probably to use for the plate layers on the embankment track, they need somewhere to make a brew. A couple of pics.  mr fox watching the lambs...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-211116214025.jpeg)

 a pic of the cutting from the road bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-211116213927.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 21, 2016, 09:54:02 pm
Thanks for the latest photos., Chris. It took me a little while to spot Mr. Fox. I really like the photo. of the sweeping curve from the roadover bridge. Excellent work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2016, 10:41:10 pm
Thanks for the nice comments Chris, I rather like that last pics myself, I do not seem to have taken that view before. By the way what you saw on the fox spru yesterday was two more lambs, they are now with there mother in the field.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 22, 2016, 07:08:24 am
Thanks for the nice comments Chris, I rather like that last pics myself, I do not seem to have taken that view before. By the way what you saw on the fox spru yesterday was two more lambs, they are now with there mother in the field.
I trust that they'll remain with mother and not be carted off by old Reynard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 24, 2016, 10:44:54 pm
Well I have run a few trains tonight, the idea was to run my Tomix cleaning car and the Sharge cleaning car. I found out they will not clear the exit from the fiddle yard onto the Embankment board, that is easily sorted. Then they will not clear the town tunnel, it is made of two pieces of ply with a piece glued for support on the join, I can swap that to the top instead of underneath. The main problem is the footbridge in the station, the Tomix clears it ok but no chance for the Sharge it is too high which is a pity. I will have to run the Sharge from the bridge and round and stop again, no big deal. The Tomix car is a new dcc friendly modified version, on this site the one on there has no control switch on the top, it is taken off in the dcc conversion. If I had the version with no knob it would have cleared everything, I could cut it off but I will modify  the layout has needed.
Meanwhile I have been detailing more of the layout, another hut in the goods yard and a old 6 wheel carriage in the corner, it was a D&M cast metal  kit I made years ago but it has a coupling missing anyway and a few bits broken off, I have another unmade still in its box in the draw.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-241116224421.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 24, 2016, 10:52:16 pm
Thanks for the update and photo., Chris. Coming along very well. However, I think the concrete wall around the loco. shed could benefit from some weathering.
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Post by: lil chris on November 24, 2016, 11:05:16 pm
Thanks Chris, yes I intend to tone the walling down and a bit of weathering too. I am going to have a sign over the entrance to the yard and gates and possibly a small cattle dock the other side of the bay platform track, not sure yet, all gives more oppertunities for variable running and movements.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 25, 2016, 08:17:20 pm
Thanks Chris, yes I intend to tone the walling down and a bit of weathering too. I am going to have a sign over the entrance to the yard and gates and possibly a small cattle dock the other side of the bay platform track, not sure yet, all gives more oppertunities for variable running and movements.
I think a cattle dock will work well. I rather like the ratio kit.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2016, 08:34:02 pm
Thanks Martin, I will probably get one, I might place between the bay track and the first siding, I will need to make a platform for it, it could serve two tracks.
I had ordered some little people off Amazon a few weeks ago, only £1.63, I thought you can not go wrong for that price and I was right I am pleased with them. Some might need a bit of painting a bit, some of the colours are a bit bright but the seating ones are ideal to put in coaches.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-251116202925.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 25, 2016, 08:52:30 pm
I also have some of these Chinese painted figures both standing and seated (the seated ones were bought for my Pullman Observation Car -- not yet assembled, let alone painted). The were the first figures I bought for Cant Cove. I agree that some need to be repainted in darker colours but others can do for visiting members of the Carnaby Street 'Army'!

I agree with Martin, about the Ratio Cattle Dock, it's one of the many kits, part-painted a long time ago awaiting final assembly, painting and locating. (However, I think mine will have to be adapted to fit a limited space in the goods yard.) Once I have finished painting / detail painting all the rolling stock, I will turn to all the kits!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2016, 09:06:35 pm
Hi Chris regarding these little people, some seem a little tall, there are no shorties like me for a start.I have fitted a few in the coach I got off you already. I tried to put a standing one in the coach but he was higher than the door. I can not remember what the coaches where like it is such a long time since I have been in one and I am only 5', that is where the little in lilchris comes from. I am pretty sure most people would not have to duck to get out of the coach.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 25, 2016, 09:24:30 pm
I think the standing figures are probably too tall then, Chris, as I never had any trouble standing in BR passenger trains but I did have to, slightly, duck my head when getting in or out of the carriage.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2016, 11:36:49 pm
Thanks Chris, like I said it is a long time, I must go to the East Lancashire railway, it is only round the corner from me. By the way I have just checked one Chinese figure against some Graham Farish figures and they are the same height which is good news.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 26, 2016, 12:06:04 pm
I recognise those people, (well not the exact same ones!!)

They paint up nicely.

Great work Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 27, 2016, 09:48:27 pm
I have been working on a different part of the layout for a change, I had some spare telegraph poles so I used them on the viaduct section. The viaduct section will have some form of old works in the fore ground eventually, I have a couple of buildings from the old layout plus some un-made  Metcalfe kit buildings.
Here are a couple of pics, on the first one of the road bridge the telegraph cables go under the bridge along the left wall of the bridge. I have made a cable out of brass wire and painted it, you can just about see it on the pic. I have also added telegrapgh supports on the viaduct, I have seen a similar arrangement in a book somewhere.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-271116213850.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-271116214755.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2016, 09:50:48 pm
Looks very good Chris and reminds me that I need to add some telegraph poles to Port Perran.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 27, 2016, 09:58:19 pm
Thanks Martin, it does seem to make the view look more realistic, especially for the steam era.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 27, 2016, 10:51:05 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest pictures Chris, them telegraph poles look spot on
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 28, 2016, 10:11:29 pm
Well I have been working on the height restrictions for my two cleaning wagons, it is a pity I can do nothing about the footbridge in the station, it is just too low. I will have to run them from either side of the footbridge, the up line has only one way through the station, the down line could go on the other line through the station avoiding the footbridge. More work on the telegraph poles around the bases of them, I feel that I am getting somewhere now.

Today I have ordered my first Union Mills Loco, a 3F in BR Black, I want a L&Y class 27 but this will do for now. I am not having much luck lately with stock, I needed some more sub coaches to match one bought on here, thanks Chris. I ordered two from Rails and after a week I had not heard anything so I rung up and they said they could not complete the order even though they are still showing stock online. One has come now and I have received a message the other will follow in a few days. The coach I have received has a "E" prefix on the number and does not have any lining will this still be ok for running in the northwest or is it for another region, I thought all Br maroon sub coaches were the same.These are Christmas presents from my family, they are buying them for me.  :beers: :beers: :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 28, 2016, 11:55:54 pm
A pic showing the tunnel supports which I have made a touch higher to give clearance for the cleaner cars especially the Sharge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-281116235408.jpeg)

While I had the layout in bits I moved it a touch has well, it was not to hard to move the fiddle yard is on castors.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 29, 2016, 10:05:00 am
Chris - the suburban coach with the 'E' prefix means it's from the Eastern Region and, being a suburban, would not be likely to be seen around Manchester as opposed to a standard Mk1 which could well be a 'visitor'.
Have you got crimson or maroon suburban coaches?
If crimson you need to look for:-
374-270A, 374-280A and brake 374-301
If maroon you need:-
374-271, 374-271A, 374-271B, 374-277, 374-278, 374-281, 374-281B, 374-291, 374-291B and brakes 374-310 and 374-310B.
All the above have an 'M' prefix
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 29, 2016, 10:12:36 am
Thanks Mick, I thought that was what the E stood for,I will have to see what the second one is when it comes. It does not say much about it on the Web site regarding region, I may have to renumber them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 29, 2016, 10:20:41 am
If you have a look at pages 26 & 27 of this most useful website you can find the running number by Farish reference.......
http://www.bachmann.co.uk/pdfs/farish_products_by_item_no_rev5.pdf (http://www.bachmann.co.uk/pdfs/farish_products_by_item_no_rev5.pdf)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 29, 2016, 11:35:28 am
Thanks Mick I will have a look later when I am on my computer,on my mobile at the moment. I am waiting for royal mail delivering a parcel at the moment, if i go upstairs they are sure to deliver it then.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 29, 2016, 08:45:49 pm
Hi everyone, I have checked with a few dealers and it seems the ones I have bought are the only new available at the moment. You can tell I am new to this I never thought of checking region type numbers, I have a 50ft brake has well and that is a "W" prefix, they may well have traveled around though unlike the suburban coaches. The two coaches I have bought are Crimson 374-312B suburban brake end and the one I am waiting for is 374-290C so both are "E" prefix, they have no lining on the side. Am I correct crimson came after maroon, I think they dropped doing suburban coaches after that period 1957-1966 and were replaced by EMU's or DMU's. I might be able to buy some transfers somewhere to re-number them or disguise with weathering.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 29, 2016, 08:55:42 pm
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

Thanks for that list for Bachmann/Graham Farish I have downloaded it it is very useful.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 29, 2016, 09:20:33 pm
Am I correct crimson came after maroon,


If I recall correctly crimson pre-dated maroon, Chris. :hmmm:

@newportnobby ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264[/url])

Thanks for that list for Bachmann/Graham Farish I have downloaded it it is very useful.



You're welcome. I find it an indispensable tool for researching certain things and have managed to identify all my unboxed stock through the running numbers of the coaches so now have a comprehensive list of Farish coaches and their references in a spreadsheet.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 29, 2016, 09:28:00 pm
This might help re liveries Chris :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Railways_Mark_1
Scroll down a bit for livery information.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 29, 2016, 10:17:01 pm
@port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230)
Thanks Martin I wil check that out.  I will get some books eventually for wagons and coaches.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Black Sheep on November 30, 2016, 12:51:37 pm
Just dip their heads in black paint, then you will not be able to tell where the eyes etc are  :thumbsup:. Of course, if you drop one in the paint, that can be your 'black sheep'.  :D


Hello....?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 30, 2016, 11:42:57 pm
I have today received a few new arrivalls for the layout. The final suburban coach has arrived from Rails, like the previous one it has the prefix "E". But I have put a order in for some coach decals tonight with the n gauge society so hopefully I can sort it out, I orrdered a few loco decals too to make the order worthwhile.
My new Christmas loco has arrived too a nice 3F from Union Mills and a CT chip from Digitrains to put in it, that is another job to do. I bet that loco will pull both the cleaning cars round at the same time with ease.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 02, 2016, 10:55:45 pm
My new Loco a Union Mills 3F has arrived in the station. I have successfully managed to convert it to dcc, but it is running a little jerky. I may have disturbed the drive/motor when I removed the motor to make it easier to solder without damaging the tender chassis.I might give Colin a ring next week for advice, I must admit to not checking how it would run on dc before the conversion, only having a short piece of test track.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/1784-021216225518.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 02, 2016, 11:00:29 pm
I found a slight problem tonight which I found when testing my new Union Mills 3F( see previous post ). It must have happened when I dis-assembled part of the layout the other night to make the tunnel aperture higher. Part of the track on the baseboard join has come loose so needs re soldering to the screws, It is all fun this hobby. :scowl:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 04, 2016, 10:27:52 pm
I have not done much this weekend apart from converting the Union Mills 3F. I have added a station sign and one above the goods entrance. Do not worry about the old piece of board which once had track on it, I will clean that off before fitting buildings on it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-041216222415.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: paulprice on December 05, 2016, 05:30:14 am
I have not done much this weekend apart from converting the Union Mills 3F. I have added a station sign and one above the goods entrance. Do not worry about the old piece of board which once had track on it, I will clean that off before fitting buildings on it.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-041216222415.jpeg[/url])


Looking good, very good
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 05, 2016, 07:20:41 am
Great progress Chris, the layout is looking excellent - the yard really coming along.  Enjoyed your updates on the Tomix DCC upgrade too, have not started mine yet, but your insights were useful.  I have a rake of the 3 crimson suburbans too (I bought 2 recently from a not-so-local model shop and found I had a 3rd), they are very nice
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2016, 10:00:26 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, I have not done much the last couple of days I have been installing all my programs on my main PC after installing Windows 10.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 08, 2016, 09:33:46 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, I have not done much the last couple of days I have been installing all my programs on my main PC after installing Windows 10.
Best of luck with Windows 10.  I'm still using Windows 7 and Office 2007 with all updates disabled.  I found every time it updated I had problems to sort out.  Otherwise, apart from the latest McAfee update, which their technician had to sort for me, everything goes without too much of a problem.  I suppose I'll have to get up to date at some time in the future, but I will resist as long as everything works here.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 09, 2016, 09:35:10 pm
I seem to have all the bad luck my little 3F Union mills is running a bit jerky, I explained to Colin that I had converted the loco to dcc without testing it.  I tried loosening the motor has suggested but no joy. Colin is now sending me a new motor to put in it so hopefully that will cure it. Good service from Union Mills.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 10, 2016, 10:49:11 am
fingers crossed that fixes it
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 10, 2016, 11:03:12 am
Good service from Colin the motor has come this morning along with a resistor to try.with luck I should have it running this weekend.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 10, 2016, 12:40:09 pm
Thanks for the photos., Chris. Your new 3F looks very good. I'm glad to see that someone else paints loco buffers silver (as I do with mine). I hope you'll be able to sort out the 3F motor problem.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 11, 2016, 12:26:55 am
Well the first job tonight was get the soldering iron out and fix the two rails that had come loose, that went ok. Next I replaced the motor on the Union Mills with no success, I now need to try the resistor Colin Heard sent me or try different settings with the chip ?, stuck with that one for the moment. I have done a bit more work on the goods yard, I am not totally happy with the cinder surface yet, it still needs some tweaking and weathering.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 11, 2016, 06:31:23 am
Next I replaced the motor on the Union Mills with no success, I now need to try the resistor Colin Heard sent me or try different settings with the chip ?, stuck with that one for the moment.
Have you tried replacing the chip with a blank and running it on DC to check that it isn't the chip.  If you look in Issue 4/16 of the Journal p40 "The Hares and Tortoises of DCC" you will see that there is a huge difference between chip performances.  It might be the DCC chip that's causing the problem.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 11, 2016, 12:24:23 pm
Thanks Laurence it is a hardwire job so no socket for blanking plug but indeed it might possibly be the chip. I am tempted to buy a different chip but the ct is the smallest, it might need more metal removing to fit a different chip.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Yet_Another on December 11, 2016, 12:59:55 pm
But Chris, if you're considering putting a different decoder in, might it not be worth temporarily returning it to DC, just so you can confirm that it runs OK in its basic configuration?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 11, 2016, 01:27:31 pm
Thanks for that it's a idea, I have tried both the motors with a small battery and they run ok.I only a have a short piece of track for DC.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 11, 2016, 04:37:34 pm
I think most chips will operate on DC as well as DCC.  If that's the case, it might be worth disconnecting your DCC controller and connecting in a DC supply.  I guess you would have to remove all your other locos first to prevent mayhem breaking loose.  I'm not sure about accessory decoders.

Another option would be to bypass the chip and put a silicon diode in series with the motor, which would give you an unsmoothed DC feed.  The effect of the inductance of the motor should provide sufficient smoothing.  However, don't do anything you not sure about.  I wouldn't want you to damage anything.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 12, 2016, 09:29:07 pm
Thanks again Laurence, I have been in contact with a couple of members for advice and I have a few options to try. I forgot I have a ESU chip tester so I could remove the chip off the loco and try it on that, I might just try altering a few cv values first and see if that makes a difference.I have printed off the guide on the 2mm scale site for guidance which I need badly having not played with any cv's yet, another learning curve to negotiate. I have not had chance to play around with the railway over the weekend with other family matters taking precedent ie decorating and then laying a carpet, my back is aching now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 14, 2016, 10:25:29 pm
I bought two suburban coaches yesterday, they are crimson subs so that is 5 subs I have bought recently, I think I need another brake and I will be able to run three suburban trains including my old GF sub coaches from the 90's. A pic below of the new ones, 1 is eastern region the other is western region, a nice guy in the shop said to me they are too small to notice but someone will and I will know so I might try to renumber them, I have bought some decals off the ngs. My order arrived the other day.
I have also been playing around with the Union Mills 3F tonight altering a few settings. I have some small improvements, it could be better if I knew what I was doing. I have bought another chip to put in the loco but I might persevere with this one after what I have done show what can be done.
I downloaded Nigel Cliffe's Guide from the 2mm scale association, I am new to this so need to play around with the settings. Because my program track is only short I programmed the loco on the main which makes it easier to alter the settings, press escape and you can try the loco straight away and see the effect. I have not run many trains recently so I need to clean the track to eliminate any track pickup problems.
I must run trains more often !!!!!.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-141216222455.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 14, 2016, 10:31:55 pm
Very nice, Chris. Thanks for the update. They look at home. I look forward to the arrival of my pair of BR Standard Suburbans; I hope, next month.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 15, 2016, 06:06:14 am
Great looking shot, thanks for the update, hope you get the 3F running nicely soon
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 15, 2016, 06:37:00 am
A very nice pic, Chris.  I hope you manage to get the 3F up to scratch.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 15, 2016, 10:28:01 pm
Well folks fed up is the feeling tonight. All was going well with re programing the Union Mills chip then all of a sudden I have a direct short caused by the loco. I brought my class 47 round with a coach in tow just to make sure the section was working ok but when I reversed it back to the fiddlle yard it de railed on a point,code 80 insul frog points in the fiddlle yard. At first I thought it was the coaches fault but on further inspection it is the point frog so something else to sort out. For some reason the loco or coach fouls on the plastic frog when going over the point from the toe end, has it happens that will not be happening much hence why I had not noticed before. I also need to have another look at the Union Mills, initially I can not see anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 16, 2016, 06:23:03 am
Bad luck about the point Chris.  Possibly the judicious use of a needle file on the frog might be called for.  As for the Union Mills, would an hour's running in at half speed ease things a bit?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 16, 2016, 10:44:02 am
Hi Laurence it is something to do with the Loco,it was running better than at first but now just placing it on the track causes a short. I need to try it on my test track now and check it out,I had just changed a cv which made it worse so I tried resetting the chip. I can not see that causing a short,with ct chips you set cv1 to 0 to reset.I might give it a go tonight, I also have a lenz silver I might try.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 16, 2016, 11:51:18 pm
Some good news, the CT chip in the  Union Mills is ok, it makes it worthwhile paying for a chip with short circuit protection. I found a screw loose on the tender which allowed the tender body to move. I also noticed one of the wires soldered to the motor connection was sticking out slightly, if this had touched the body that would have caused the short. I have re built the loco and placed it on the test track and re programmed the chip, I am getting there but it needs a bit of fine tuning. I am having problems trying to read the chip to see some of the values already set. Anyway here is a short video of the loco moving again on the test track, there still a small stutter now and then but I am getting there.
http://vid1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20161216_230930_zpswsatygig.mp4 (http://vid1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/20161216_230930_zpswsatygig.mp4)

Since I made the video I have cleaned the test track at the point of the stall and it is better but I think it still needs fine tuning.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 17, 2016, 06:08:16 am
Good to hear you are making progress on the 3F

Does short circuit protection on the loco chip act faster than a circuit breaker on the power district?  Most of the chips I have are digitrax ones, the circuit breakers are Tam Valley
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2016, 06:59:10 am
Thanks for this update, Chris. That's very good news. I hope you'll be able to completely solve all the problems, soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2016, 10:30:12 am
Well I have psx circuit breakers which are excellent and the chip is a CT Electronic dcx77z which is also good, it is just another steep learning curve on how to tune it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 17, 2016, 11:03:58 am
Hi Chris

Have you tried the simple approach first by  setting CV5 to 100, CV2 to 10, CV6 to 55 and CVs 3 & 4 to 0?  I'm probably teaching my Granny to suck eggs.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2016, 12:12:37 pm
Thanks Laurence I know nothing about cv's so thanks. I have a CT guide off the 2mm society site, my problem is to read the chip for certain settings I need to read the chip in direct mode, something I do not know how to do. I need to read my powercab manual another 6 times, I might understand it then.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on December 17, 2016, 12:28:39 pm
Good to see you are making progress with the loco, Chris, and that your right knee is functioning perfectly well :D ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2016, 12:31:33 pm
The PowerCab manual is one of the very worst manuals to understand that I have ever had the misfortune to read, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2016, 12:34:38 pm
There are worse manuals Chris but somethings are not straight forward. Yes Mick it was carry on filming while I stopped the Loco driving off the end of my short program track!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 17, 2016, 05:12:25 pm
I'm not sure how clearly your manual explains CVs.  CV2 is the start voltage, the voltage that is applied when the controller is set to Step 1.  Mostly 28 steps are used and I find this quite adequate.  Although many controllers and chips can be set to 128 steps, this can often mean a lot of control twiddling to get from rest to full speed and back again.  CV5 is the top voltage, the voltage that is applied when the controller is set to the maximum step.  The voltage setting go from 0 to 255, with 0 being nothing and 255 being the maximum applied voltage.  CV6 is the half voltage (Step 14 in a 28 step system), CV 3 is the acceleration rate (it equates to the number of seconds to accelerate from 0 to maximum) and CV4 is the deceleration (following the same Patten as acceleration).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 17, 2016, 07:50:00 pm
Thanks for the information Laurence, I have been reading the guide on ct electronic chips off the 2mm site. Cv64 allows you to trick the chip with regard to track voltage,has Colin from Union Mills said try a resistor I altered this cv at first to 250 which improved things a lot, I have increased it to 300.I have also set cv137 to 0 and cv9 which controls the pwm to 140.theses settings have made a lot of difference to control of the Loco it goes so slow but it still hesitates now and then. I need to read the values of cv 51 and cv 52 so I can tweak it further. At the moment I am not sure how to read the cv's with my powercab, I need to read the chip in direct bit programming.Some of these cv's are unique to ct,I am thinking of setting up a USB connection and using jmri decoder pro,it might be easier.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Maurits71 on December 17, 2016, 08:23:27 pm
agree, use decoder pro, saves you lots of time
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 18, 2016, 06:35:58 am
I'm slightly worried about the your use of CVs.  According to the NMRA standards, CVs 47 - 64 are reserved for manufacturer use and CVs 112 - 256 are the same.  So I assume these must have been programmed by Union Mills.  They are not standard CVs.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 18, 2016, 09:44:17 am
I've attached the CV standards from the NMRA as a PDF
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 18, 2016, 10:18:43 am
Many thanks, Laurence. My landlord and I will study it over the holidays ready for January.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 18, 2016, 11:43:57 am
Thanks Laurence like I said in my post some of the cv settings ie 64/51/52 etc are unique to CT Electronic not Union Mills. The Union Mills loco's are DC only, very simply wired no pcb or anything like that, two pickup wires from the wheels straight to the motor, the Loco picks up one side of the track the tender the other.I now know how to do the programming in direct mode so I may try that but I am thinking of setting up decoder pro,I have a nce USB interface.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 19, 2016, 09:09:42 pm
I have not done much on the layout, I have other tasks to complete before Christmas. I have put two end boards on the program track to prevent accidents and fitted a USB interface to it. Hopefully I can check my Union Mills with JMRI De coder pro in the next few days.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on December 19, 2016, 10:23:02 pm
Hi Lil Chris,

Have never replied, except 'thank yous', so thought I'd get on board. All good stuff.

Looking forward to more pics. Out of slight interest, was trying to keep up with the Sinclair C5, CV conversation but lost the plot and have gone back to Latvian for Beginners, much easier. Good luck with your chips and Thank God for DC.

Keep up the good work,

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 19, 2016, 11:15:43 pm
Thanks for your reply Weave its nice to have you onboard even if you seem to be using a cup to empty the water out of the boat. I have been struggling of late and I was a bit peeved the other night, I felt like kicking it into touch. Anyway patience seems to be the key which I am not known for. But for me dcc rules, I would not go back to dc for all the tea in China. I tried to do sectioning years ago on my kids layout with two controllers and got in a mess. Dcc is a steep learning curve but I am getting there especially with regard to cv's. This is the first time I have touched them in any way, all I have done is changed a loco's number before. I was also getting worried my work bench was beginning to look like a engine/loco graveyard on a par with Barry Island.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 20, 2016, 06:06:30 am
I too was getting a bit out of my depth with the CV discussion, but was good to try & follow it... I have a growing pile of 20+ DCC ready loco's and a similar sized pile of chips to fit... so I am going to have to face those demons sooner rather than later!

How is the track cleaner behaving?  any problems with it since you fitted the board & chip to it?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 20, 2016, 06:39:36 am
I was wondering why you needed such a complex decoder chip, Chris.  Is it because you need a lot of functions?  Have you considered buying a basic 6-pin chip and just programming the address (CV1) to see what happens.  It should run exactly like a DC loco.  Then you could have a go at CV2 (Start Voltage) CV5 (Top Voltage) and CV6 (Mid voltage).  It should still run like a DC loco, but with the (linear) speed curve defined.  Then you could add CV3 and CV4 to control acceleration and deceleration.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 20, 2016, 09:54:12 am
Hi everyone, with regard to the Tomix cleaning car I have cut a bit off the control knob on the top so it now goes under the station footbridge. Laurence the reason for paying more for a chip is you get better control especially with n gauge, and it also has short protection built in which paid off in the case of my installation of the Union Mills 3f. I managed to wire up the USB interface on my test track last night plus a bit more work on the goods yard surface. I am not totally happy with the cinders so I have been experimenting with Humbrol powders.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 20, 2016, 11:38:44 pm
Another back piece added to the program track tonight, it looks better for it. I have also been trying a technique on the goods yard, not sure if it will be ok or not, I need to wait till it drys. I had seen another guy add weathering powders with good effect, he pressed them in with his finger, I tried it and the cinders came up stuck to my finger, I will have a play around, I can only make it worse. The cinders looked too coarse to me close up so I had to do something.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 24, 2016, 08:50:09 pm
I am struggling a bit with the goods yard,the cinders look too coarse for me.  I have been trying different techniques and it has been very trying but I feel I am slowly getting it to look like what I want.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-241216204921.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 24, 2016, 10:35:22 pm
Iff your cinders seem to be a bit coarse  you could try what I did and run some slightly watered down Das into them to give the appearance that they are compacted .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 24, 2016, 11:51:16 pm
Thanks for that pctrainman I might try that sounds like a good idea.

*******Merry Christmas to everyone on the site******
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on December 24, 2016, 11:55:25 pm
Iff your cinders seem to be a bit coarse

Tell her to wash her mouth out with soap and water or else she will never get Prince Charming interested!  ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on December 25, 2016, 09:44:39 am
Iff your cinders seem to be a bit coarse

Tell her to wash her mouth out with soap and water or else she will never get Prince Charming interested!  ;D

 :laughabovepost: Quite. I thought it was the ugly sisters who were coarse, not Cinders.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Sprintex on December 25, 2016, 09:49:19 am
You've obviously never seen the Jim Davidson production of "Sinderella" - and yes I have spelt it right :D


Paul
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 25, 2016, 09:53:38 am
Why do i get the impression it's Pantomime season ? lol , but seriously Chris be careful of your fingertips when working the wetted Das into the cinders as it's an extremely good way to remove the skin on them , and yes I speak from experience .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 25, 2016, 11:01:27 am
A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you, too, Chris and all your visitors on this thread and the NGF.

One of the problems of modelling in N Scale is that items like ballast, cinders, gravel, and sand, if modelled to true scale  would be more like powder or even dust so you have to choose what gives the best overall visual impression and only experimentation will show what results you're happy with. It's very difficult to judge such matters by photos. but, to me, the yard surface looks very good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 25, 2016, 08:39:06 pm
Thanks again for the tip pctrainman, I will take care. That is if my das clay has not gone hard since I last used it. I am not sure what too do yet, where I have tried to change it it is full of potholes, small to us and our eyes but craters to n gauge size folk. I might try pulling some of the cinders up and adding a layer of pva and then clay or some earth powder has sold by Treemendus and see how that works out. At the moment some parts are a mess and are not good enough as far as I am concerned. I will have a think over the next few days while I watch a bit of tv, notice bit of tv most of the stuff is the same stuff they put on every year.

******MERRY CHRISTMAS******
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on December 25, 2016, 08:42:34 pm
I will have a think over the next few days while I watch a bit of tv, notice bit of tv most of the stuff is the same stuff they put on every year.


Wot?! You mean 'The African Queen' and the Harry Potter films are repeats? Damnit.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 25, 2016, 10:06:36 pm
How about turning the Potholes into puddles ? I worked a fair bit of DAS into my cinders then used various greys and whites in acrylic to give them a more weathered out and compacted look then poured a little magic water left over from the Canal and Wharf into them and to my eyes at least I think the end result is fine .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 26, 2016, 12:41:34 am
Hi pc train man, I have beat you to it if you look at the pic I have already added a few puddles.it is the surface where I tried to modify it some has cracked and looks worse,I have scraped some off already back to the cork.I have nothing to loose now so I might try different things.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 26, 2016, 06:20:52 am
Merry Christmas Chris, hope you find a solution to this that you are happy - I was intrigued by the reference to "watered down das"... how do you go about watering it down exactly (unless you are not talking about the modelling clay)?  I imagined the intention was to create a solution that would run into the crevices and the like, but can't work out the watering down method  :-[  ... now watered down PVA with a black pigment through it... that I can see :)   
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 26, 2016, 09:50:18 am
Hi , Milton rail , the watering down is simply dipping your fingers into water as you mould and sculpt the DAS this thins it and makes it more easily shaped , Chris say's he has cracks I also had them the thinned DAS does a great job of filling the cracks and makes the whole surface much stronger .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on December 26, 2016, 11:47:27 am
Thank you PCtrainman - that I can picture, thanks for the clarification

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 30, 2016, 08:46:30 pm
Well I have finally took up the challenge of the goods yard. First I am trying pctrainman's  idea of clay over the cinders. The cinders would have been well pressed down in a busy goods yard and more or less smooth. I hope the clay will dry hard and enable me to paint and add colour to the correct effect, If it does not work I may end up pulling the lot up. In one part I am going to try a different technique, put earth powder down and then colour it after. I will wait to see how the clay dries before deciding which way to go.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-301216204004.jpeg)


                    *****Happy New Year Everyone*****
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on December 30, 2016, 09:00:09 pm
Thats looking very promising Chris.
Hope it works out as you anticipate-I'm sure it will.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on December 30, 2016, 09:07:27 pm
Ditto,

Looks messily great to me.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 30, 2016, 09:43:03 pm
It's looking good, Chris. Anywhere where wheeled road vehicles went would be likely to be relatively smooth and flat with other areas rougher and more overgrown. The ballast on the running lines would be a lot cleaner and lighter in colour and without any weeds.

Happy New Railway Modelling Year!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 31, 2016, 02:35:10 am
That is pretty much the effect I aimed at Chris , a compacted surface where there was heavy vehicle and foot traffic with it becoming less compacted where there was little or no traffic I found the DAS was sort of absorbed into the real ash that I used with some massaging and smooting with wetted fingers , it looks like you're almost there apart from paint that is .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 31, 2016, 06:38:03 am
It definitely looks like a goods yard!  Good suggestion PC Train Man.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 31, 2016, 10:34:15 am
(Good suggestion PC Train Man.) I cannot claim credit for it as I saw this method used somewhere on the web but cannot remember where , i'll have a go at getting a couple of pics fairly close up of how mine turned out after paint but no promises co's my photography ability is very low .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on December 31, 2016, 03:37:25 pm
I managed to do these
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 31, 2016, 04:36:47 pm
They do look good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 01, 2017, 11:25:46 am
Perfection it is'nt , but with my almost non existent artistic skills taken into account i'm quite pleased with the end result .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 01, 2017, 11:35:39 am
Not looking good with the goods yard, I went up last night showing some relatives and some of the clay had curled up. So I will have to take a proper look later and decide what to do to remedy the situation, maybe pics later.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 01, 2017, 11:45:53 am
I have been told that DAS and Milliput although being basically the same thing do exhibit different properties in use , I did omit to say and I apologise for it, that before applying the DAS to the already applied Ashes which received the PVA glue treatment that we use for Ballast I rewetted the ashes with WS scenic glue ( I hope that made sense ) ?.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: jrb on January 01, 2017, 11:53:00 am
I have been told that DAS and Milliput although being basically the same thing do exhibit different properties in use , I did omit to say and I apologise for it, that before applying the DAS to the already applied Ashes which received the PVA glue treatment that we use for Ballast I rewetted the ashes with WS scenic glue ( I hope that made sense ) ?.

DAS and Milliput are most definitely not even remotely the same - DAS is an air-drying clay, whilst Milliput is an epoxy putty.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 01, 2017, 12:01:28 pm
I did'nt know that JRB and you have my thanks for your correction ( i've never used Milliput)  , I seem to have led you astray somewhat Chris but in my defence I would point out that I only referred to my use of DAS , I still recommend DAS as for me it worked .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on January 01, 2017, 12:59:47 pm
Not looking good with the goods yard, I went up last night showing some relatives and some of the clay had curled up. So I will have to take a proper look later and decide what to do to remedy the situation, maybe pics later.
Maybe a bit of a rub with sandpaper will sort it. Perhaps a thin coating of grout or polyfilla will help?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 01, 2017, 07:26:31 pm
I have just come up to the loft to take another look, I am still not sure what to do.
The cinders have been a pain in the **** to be honest, everything I have tried to do to make them look better and they just start to lift. I may lift a lot of it near the sidings and try something different. Here is a pic, you will see what I mean, maybe a layer of pva before the clay might have worked, I might try a small section to see first.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-010117192222.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on January 01, 2017, 07:35:21 pm
That doesn't look great Chris.
It seems the clay hasn't stuck but has dried out and then cracked and broken.
Not sure about the PVA first - wont't it just sink into the cinders and the same will happen?
I think I might try a mix of earth (black) and soil (brown) scatter material over the cinders then soak diluted PVA over that. It would allow you to add some small green bits (grass) to give a slightly weedy effect?
Hmmm....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 01, 2017, 07:53:20 pm
Thanks Martin, the trouble is where the clay has curled up it has pulled the cinders up with it, another fine mess I am into.......I have made a start on pulling up the curled DAS it is pulling the cinders up too back to the cork underneath. I think the easiest way would be to start again with some earth powder, I might try another technique this time using some Johnson's pledge.
Here is a pic..... I have started so I will finish.....(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-010117195742.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on January 01, 2017, 09:05:11 pm
A couple of ideas but experiment first!
Paint PVA glue on the surface first then cover with Polyfilla or similar to the thickness you want or mix PVA glue in with the Polyfilla. The second method is a bit more difficult to sand down afterwards. A thin covering of whatever surface you want afterwards stuck down with dilute PVA. I think Pledge will put a shine on the surface.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on January 01, 2017, 09:27:25 pm
I might try another technique this time using some Johnson's pledge.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-010117195742.jpeg[/url])


Careful - you might take a shine to that method ;)
I notice you have a carton of smoke. Does it not escape?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 01, 2017, 09:47:51 pm
Hi everyone the technique I am thinking of using which I have seen on another site is to use soil scatter powders. You then tamp it down smooth and then use the klear dropped in a corner, and add more has it spreads across using capillary action. The guy on there is using the old Klear but he says he believes the new stuff works the same way, which is the stuff I have. Before the klear dries you then add weathering powders to get the desired colour pressing that down with your fingers. That is what I tried to do on top of the cinders but they kept coming up, the das clay has just helped them up somewhat.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on January 01, 2017, 10:19:47 pm
Hi Chris,

Sorry for your woes although your track rail tops still look cleaner than mine!

Good luck. I'd like to give advice on what to do but no expert and probably be wrong.

Keep the faith and battle on.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 02, 2017, 12:43:36 am
Blimey that Milliput definately behaves very differently to DAS , I had no problems at all really other than the aforementioned sore fingertips , my method was to paint the surface with WS scenic glue then add the dry ashes to the still wet WS and get it quite wet with a mix of WS and pva watered down so it could be applied with a Pipette in the same way that you'd do Ballast , this added wetting levelled the surface and when all was dry I worked wetted DAS into the ashes with my fingertips to achieve the surface I desired , the Ashes came from a common or garden Bonfire but had been stacked in a heap and weathered naturally for a couple of years I mixed in about 25 %  Silver sand with the ashes and that was about it .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on January 02, 2017, 06:06:40 pm
Blimey that Milliput definately behaves very differently to DAS , I had no problems at all really other than the aforementioned sore fingertips , my method was to paint the surface with WS scenic glue then add the dry ashes to the still wet WS and get it quite wet with a mix of WS and pva watered down so it could be applied with a Pipette in the same way that you'd do Ballast , this added wetting levelled the surface and when all was dry I worked wetted DAS into the ashes with my fingertips to achieve the surface I desired , the Ashes came from a common or garden Bonfire but had been stacked in a heap and weathered naturally for a couple of years I mixed in about 25 %  Silver sand with the ashes and that was about it .

 :photospleasesign: of the result.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 02, 2017, 07:13:42 pm
Go back to page 72 Mito and you'll see a reply from myself containing a PDF which has 2 pics .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2017, 12:54:39 am
Well I have made a decision regarding the goods yard surface, I am going to try the technique seen on rm web. So I have sent off for some Treemendus earth powder which I believe is very fine stuff and also some more Humbrol weathering powder has my local shop had run out. So I will continue to remove what is left of the cinders between the tracks, there is no rush and I am determined to get it right this time. I do have some woodland scenics fine earth powder but is does not look that fine so I will get the right stuff even though it is the wrong colour. I might go back to setting up JMRI and having a go with Decoder pro and my Union Mills 3F, while I wait for the stuff to arrive. I also might go for a walk to get rid of any excess weight put on over Christmas.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 03, 2017, 03:34:57 am
Chris , should you not be happy with the end result of what you've just described and end up deciding to try my method PM me your address and i'll send you an almost full packet of DAS that I do not need that has been kept fresh in an airtight container , i'm more than happy to do this as it will eventually go stale and i'd rather not see it go to waste , btw you can have it on me including the postage .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 03, 2017, 08:36:29 am
Very sorry to read about your scenic problems, Chris, but keep persevering. I'm sure you'll be able to get the goods yard surface looking how you wish, eventually.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2017, 10:19:14 am
Thanks very much for your offer pc train man but I have nearly a full packet myself bought from hobby craft which is triple sealed in plastic.bags. I originally intended to use the das clay but was not keen on it not drying flat, so ended up using cork with cinders on top. The cinders  look fine in the packet but not fine enough when down to me, and I have already documented the other problems I have had with them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 03, 2017, 12:49:36 pm
That's ok Chris it was only a thought , mind you if anybody else reading this wants an almost full packet of DAS FOC just PM me an address and i'll send it to you .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2017, 10:49:02 pm
I have been to my local model shop to wish them a Happy New Year and while I was there I bought a Ratio cattle dock, lucky Gaugemaster were out of stock, it was a lot cheaper than them. So tonight I have started on building the dock and also deciding where it is going. My original idea was next to the bay platform but it was too big for there, I have decided on the corner on the track to the engine shed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 05, 2017, 09:37:14 pm
More work on the cattle dock, I also realised that the ground is higher than normal, ie nearly level with the track. So I have marked where the cattle dock is going and cut the cork out which effectively makes the cattle dock a touch lower and solves the problem. My Treemendus ground cover has been delivered today and it does look a finer grade than the other stock I have but it will need colouring for the yard. I have some Humbrol light grey(smoke)and Black weathering powders to mix up, I bought some more so I have plenty in stock. I will get the base of the cattle dock painted etc and then fix it in position before laying the yard. Here are a couple of pics, I also bought some scenic glue it also comes with a atomiser which might come handy. One pics shows the cinders removed and a hole cut out of the cork for the dock.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-050117213326.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/1784-050117213632.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 06, 2017, 03:16:19 pm
Blimey Chris. I know it is not what you want but that's a pretty realistic looking construction site you've got there :D

Seriously, hope that you resolve your problems soon with no more hassle.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 06, 2017, 08:00:55 pm
Hello Chris, wonderful layout, I have just finished a very similar yard to yours using just basic polyfilla mixed so its thick, then spread using a piece of card, painted with scatter details on top (there's pictures on my thread). Of course, this is just my way of doing it and I look forward to your way:) Cheers, Alex
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 06, 2017, 11:13:41 pm
Thanks AR for your input, I have taken a look at your layout and very good it is too. I have been following a layout on RM web, Ropley Mid Hants railway, if I could model to his standard I would be well happy.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 08, 2017, 09:49:59 pm
Well we are a week into the new year and all I have done is build and paint my cattle dock. I am a bit apprehensive about starting the goods yard, If I have not finished the cattle dock it would be awkward to finish ie If I fix the base in position un-finished, so I need to finish the cattle dock complete with railings and all I think.   

                            ***Happy New Year***        ***Everyone***
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 12:58:40 pm
I was thinking my work looked alright until I saw that Ripley thread!!! Its amazing!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 04:55:48 pm
I take it you mean Ropley mid, it is amazing, the reflections from the puddles etc, superb modeling something good to aspire too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 04:58:14 pm
Sorry, yeah I did mean Ropley! I would like to see it when its finished! How's the yard coming along?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 05:21:25 pm
Thanks I am still working on the cattle dock, it will be done this week.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: RailGooner on January 09, 2017, 05:36:26 pm
That's ok Chris it was only a thought , mind you if anybody else reading this wants an almost full packet of DAS FOC just PM me an address and i'll send it to you .


 :thumbsup: :beers: What a generous offer. Well done @pctrainman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5176)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 06:17:05 pm
That is what this forum is all about helping others. I gave a powercab upgrade to someone last year that I had spare. There are plenty of generous members on this site.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 09:57:34 pm
Well I bit the bullet and started on the goods yard surface, I laid the soil down tamped it down then let the Klear run in to it. Left it for a short while and then flicked a mixture of grey(smoke) and black weathering powder over it, then tamped it down again gently with a finger. I will see how it dries and decide how to proceed, to be honest I think it looks good.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-090117215702.jpeg)

I have done some more tamping down since taking this pic, looking good. The bit at the bottom of the pic has not been done yet. It is still a learning process, I laid too much this first time, I will do it in smaller lots next time.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 09, 2017, 10:07:45 pm
I like the look of that! Those rails will need quite some scrubbing! Where do you source this product? I read about it somewhere else and want to give it a go on my new uni layout project!

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 09, 2017, 10:14:58 pm
Hi Alex, the soil powder comes from Treemendus, it is very fine, a lot finer than the Woodland scenics stuff. Then I used Pledge Floor polish, it used to be called Klear, that is what Tom is using on Ropley Mid Hants, but he says the new stuff should work just as well, Has I poured some at the edge I could see it soaking into the soil powder, I left it a few min's then sprinkled some weathering powders over the top then tamped it down with my finger. I laid to much down in one go, I should have just laid a bit at a time it would have been easier and you then do not disturb the soil. It is a bit of a messy job but if it turns out good it will be worth it, time will tell.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: pctrainman on January 10, 2017, 02:57:07 am
That is pretty much how mine looked Chris when I first laid the ash , it was dark as i'd mixed some Black Ink in with the PVA water mix I used to fix it , it then turned a lot lighter when I rubbed in the DAS to get the compacted look and then several washes of various acrylic greys brought it to where I was happy with it , good luck with it I hope you  get the result you are after this time .
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on January 10, 2017, 07:33:50 am
Chris, I like it.

I'm about to embark on a rail yard are on my layout so what you are doing is very interesting to me. As you say, a lot of the granular material available from suppliers is too coarse and I reckon would represent 'gravel' that is more like 4" rocks or bigger in scale terms.

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 10, 2017, 08:01:25 am
Got to say Chris; that looks absolutely filthy....spot on!

I can absolutely believe that is a well-worn yard used by steam locos and I look forward to some photos of them simmering in the muck in the near future.

Well done for approaching the job as you have done, getting great results.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2017, 08:03:44 am
That is starting to look the part Chris.
Well done for persevering and not giving up.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on January 10, 2017, 08:08:16 am
Patient perseverance is a virtue Chris.  Well done, I think you're getting there in the end.  I'm not very good at patient perseverance , but I just have to force myself to KBO.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 10, 2017, 02:52:49 pm
Thanks everyone for the kind comments, I think I am getting there. I might do some more tonight, I will see how it has dried.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 16, 2017, 10:40:40 pm
Hi Everyone, I have been a bit busy of late fixing up a new computer desks. A new one a lot smaller in the bedroom with a move of the surrounding furniture to keep swmbo happy. Then use that desk for this computer in the loft, the one I had in the loft was just too big taking up a lot of room it had too go.
Back to the layout more work tonight on the goods yard surface, a bit at a time makes it easier to manage, I am getting there me thinks. I have done towards the centre of the 3 way point and a bit too the right next to the cobble road.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-160117223851.jpeg)

I think It will look better when I do the tracks which is going to be tricky.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 16, 2017, 10:56:44 pm
I like the look of that, really nice effect! I may look into getting some of this stuff!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 16, 2017, 11:04:56 pm
I have just done a bit more too the left between the tracks with the big puddle. I will see how it drys tomorrow, it might be slightly darker than the previous batch.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 17, 2017, 11:43:45 pm
I have done some more workm on the goods yard today, I am trying different methods of using the Pledge. The idea is not to disturb the soil by pouring on the pledge but put it at the edge and watch it soak in on its own. The trouble is I am impatient, I have not had much luck tamping it down with my finger it still looks too rough that way I have taken to using a spatula to tamp it down. The trick I am trying to master is flicking the weathering powder over the top with a brush, I have still not got the hang of that yet and end up with patches a bit darker, I will see how it drys again. One of the good things with this technique is you can put some more over the top fairly easily without causing any problems like I had with the cinders and pva. Pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on January 18, 2017, 12:08:16 am
Hi Chris,

You probably know of these but a plasterer's trowel might be better than a spatula.

The photo doesn't really show that the 2 ends are different heights (if that makes sense) but I've always used them for pointing patios as you can get in there, smooth over, tamp etc. Better than proper pointing tools but thought might help your job.

They're not big....

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51g%2B786qjjL._SY355_.jpg

Just a suggestion

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: sp1 on January 18, 2017, 12:24:36 pm
Another possibility is an artists palette knife?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 18, 2017, 12:56:54 pm
Hi Chris, looking good n mucky.

I have just picked up what I think is dental tool from the local market. They come in various shapes and sizes. At £2.50 each they are not expensive. I can post a picture if you are interested.

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 19, 2017, 10:42:45 pm
Hi guys, I have done some more tonight graduallly filling all the gaps and cracks. When I said I was using a spatula I am in fact using a artists pallet knife which is pretty good, I will probably post some pics over the weekend.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 20, 2017, 09:06:08 pm
More work on the goods yard this is becoming a bit of a epic job. Also a pic of a goods wagon I have bought from Chris in Prague,thanks. Also the latest pic of the surface has it is tonight and a pic of the pallet knife and weathering powders.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-200117210013.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-200117210106.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-200117210203.jpeg)

it need the loose stuff vaccuming up it will look a lot better then
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on January 21, 2017, 06:44:43 am
It definitely looks the part, Chris! :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2017, 04:19:29 pm
Thanks, Chris. I agree the goods yard surface is now looking very good, indeed. Good to see that the LMS livery cattle van has safely arrived from Cant Cove, via Hood-dale.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Maurits71 on January 21, 2017, 10:08:57 pm
looks spot on to me
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 22, 2017, 12:18:38 am
thanks guys it is beggining to look better, I have been filling in any gaps tonight and colouring were needed, pics to follllow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 23, 2017, 09:25:17 pm
This is the latest installment on my goods yard, it has been hard work. I think now it beginning to look ok,I have now doubt you will all let me know what you think. In the foreground of the pic, bottom right, you can see were I have broken the water tower off, this was the second time so I decided to leave it till I have finished messing with the surface then glue it back. You can see the difference in texture in some places where there are still some of the old cinders, they definitely looked too coarse. In some places where I have the engine shed etc, I have poured some of the pledge over the top and then used the pallet knife to smooth some weathering powders into it,I think this should improve that area, I will see when it dries. I also tried some of the Woodland scenics earth scatter which is a different colour and darker, but it does not work the same has the Treemendus earth scatter. There is no comparison the Treemendus scatter is so fine, pity it is not a darker colour.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/47/1784-230117211427.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2017, 09:34:48 am
Looks F.A.B. to me, Chris :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 25, 2017, 05:51:22 pm
It's looking better and better, Chris. It's well worth persevering until you're absolutely happy with it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 27, 2017, 08:42:14 pm
I have just been doing a few finishing touches near the engine shed, filling in the track. I also have a few patches where the wax has dried a bit light coloured, I might leave some so it looks like spillage. The large patch I might just spray over with a airbrush, but at least it is getting there.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/1784-270117203857.jpeg)
The track needs the rail tops cleaning when it has dried,I took care not to glue up the two sets of points.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/1784-270117204117.jpeg)

This pic clearly shows a large whitish patch....mmmmmm
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2017, 08:55:47 pm
Looking very good, Chris. A quick spray of matt black will cover up that area of white? I hope that trains can still run along that top right-hand track?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on January 27, 2017, 09:55:55 pm
Looks terrific Chris - in manner of speaking. Probably best to darken the white stuff unless you can think of some whitish obnoxious substance that would have fallen to the ground in your yard.

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 28, 2017, 10:58:00 am
Hi everyone,I have tried to darken the area again since taking the pic,I will see how it dries. I might try painting over some patches with a airbrush and then maybe a coat of lacquer to seal it. The right hand track rail needs the top of the rails cleaning yet, while it was still wet I used a small Lima wagon on the track, when dry I will then clean the tops of the rails.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on January 29, 2017, 12:06:19 pm
You have certainly had some trials & tribulations with the yard, but it is starting to look the part now, I quite liked the white patches, made me think of ash droppings.  Looking great though

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2017, 12:36:46 pm
You have certainly had some trials & tribulations with the yard, but it is starting to look the part now, I quite liked the white patches, made me think of ash droppings.  Looking great though

Cheers,
Andrew

You haven't seen the size of the seagulls in Radcliffe, Andrew! :no: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: ptopo on January 29, 2017, 03:41:20 pm
 :D very good Nobby, made me laugh anyhow...

Hi Chris, I thought some of het lighter areas also looked reasonably like spillages, at least from the air. The idea of just softening up so it's a bit less garish from the side, with something dilute via airbrush,sounds ideal.

Keep with it - looking better all the time

PT
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: AR on January 29, 2017, 08:03:42 pm
I love the look of it, very realistic indeed :greatwork:

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 31, 2017, 11:34:41 pm
Thanks everyone, not done much tonight just cleaned the top of the rails. I think I need a running session after using the vac to makes sure there is no loose debri, then I can start the finishing touches to the yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2017, 09:33:36 am
A running session sounds a good idea, Chris. G'wan - you know you want to :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 01, 2017, 05:54:51 pm
Absolutely!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 01, 2017, 06:51:02 pm
Enjoy the running session Chris.
Photos ??
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on February 01, 2017, 08:44:19 pm
Essential therapy. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 13, 2017, 11:19:50 pm
Hi everyone, I have still not had a running session I have been a bit busy. I have been building the Ratio cattle dock, what a fiddly job that is with the brass etchings, trying to glue the posts to the railings without glueing your fingers at the same time. Another problem is trying to get the paint to stick to the brass, the first ones I tried were not very good. Then I found some Halfords primer and sprayed the rest with that but I run out. You have to make sure the railings are correct way round, I have definately done one railing wrong ( upside down) hopefully no one will notice. Pics to follow when I have finished it and touched the paintwork up.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 14, 2017, 06:25:47 am
Keep on persevering Chris.  I'm sure the results will be fine.  Have you thought of trying Hammerite?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 16, 2017, 09:46:43 pm
Hi there I am back again this time with a couple of pics, progress has been slow. The cattle dock is very fiddly has I have already posted but I am getting there now, the water troughs are in the paint shop at the moment, I might fit the lights later. There will be a slight problem using the dock has it will block the use of the point directly in front of it, but it was the only place I could put it.I was just trying to make some interesting running possibilities for the future, I only have one cattle truck anyway. Still bits too do and I still need a running session on those rails to make sure all is well. Here are a couple of pics........
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/1784-160217213810.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/1784-160217213913.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 16, 2017, 09:49:19 pm
Thanks for the suggestion Laurence, but the trouble is Harmerite comes in limited colours, brown and concrete colours not being one of them. I have found spraying them with Halfords Acrylic grey Primer was the answer unfortunatly I run out at a crucial time, I have manged after a struggle.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 17, 2017, 06:38:26 am
There will be a slight problem using the dock has it will block the use of the point directly in front of it, but it was the only place I could put it.I was just trying to make some interesting running possibilities for the future, I only have one cattle truck anyway.
Could you move it a couple of wagon lengths along the head shunt?  If that's possible, it would free up the point
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 17, 2017, 07:45:12 am
Thanks for the update, Chris. The cattle dock (I have still to build mine) looks very good. If you cannot move it, as Laurence suggests, maybe you can cut away part of the base and replace that section with an indented piece of matching walling?

I will have a duplicate LMS Grey Cattle Truck for you as well as some other LMS goods stock that I don't need. (The wagons and goods vans were bought for repainting in PO liveries but I already have more than enough goods stock for that.)

Aerosol grey primer is very useful to have.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 17, 2017, 10:04:14 am
Thanks Laurence and Chris, I can not really move it too the right has that is the engine shed and coal facilty. It's no big deal I was not planning on a lot of cattle traffic.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2017, 10:40:41 am
Why haven't you had that running session yet, Chris (you naughty man)?
I've been very patient so far but really need to see some trains running :telloff: ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on February 17, 2017, 10:45:50 am
Cattle dock looks great, as is the yard - glad you made some good progress
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 18, 2017, 06:59:21 am
Thanks Laurence and Chris, I can not really move it too the right has that is the engine shed and coal facilty. It's no big deal I was not planning on a lot of cattle traffic.

Not all cattle docks were as large as the Ratio one so you could reduce yours in length, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 21, 2017, 10:27:44 pm
well I have decided I am happy with the cattledock as it is. I have made a start on cleaning the track ready for a test run, once I get something running I can try out my two track cleaners to se if they were worth the money too. Watch this space, maybe a video.........or two....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on February 22, 2017, 06:29:35 am
Good luck Chris, as you bought your Tomix track cleaner in the UK, did it come with English instructions?  :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 22, 2017, 06:35:21 am
Good luck Chris, as you bought your Tomix track cleaner in the UK, did it come with English instructions?  :)
Will a track cleaner run on DCC? (Please excuse my ignorance).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 22, 2017, 09:48:54 am
Hi there, well the Instructions are japenese/English so I have downloaded the atlas version which is more understandable. I have converted the Tomix to dcc Laurence,there is a post somewhere in the relevant section,it was quite easy with the pcb kit I bought from Germany.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on February 22, 2017, 03:57:24 pm
Thanks Chris, I could only find the HO version of the Atlas for download, guessing they are much the same?

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 22, 2017, 11:09:36 pm
well I spent some time last night track cleaning by hand and tonight I have successfully run the tomix in front of my diesel class 47. I have run the combination all around the main tracks and fiddle yard. The goods yard points are all working although some seem slower operating than others for no apparant reason. Some of the siding tracks while they seem ok with the majority of the wagons the loco's seem to struggle a little,I think the gap needs deepening slightly for the larger flanges on the loco''s wheels so that is the next job. I have struggled a bit tonight trying to up load 3 videos, I forgot I used youtube last time, this time I am trying photobucket.

I am still having fun with one of the code 80 insulfrog points in the fiddle yard, it sparks when loco's go over it. I forgot about this problem, it is worst with the class 47 diesel but it did it once or twice with the 4mt has well. I will either replace the point with a live frog type or maybe try insulating the side of the moving rail with paint or possibly copydex.

Here are the videos first a 4f travels over the embankment section.(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_4f%20over%20the%20embankment_zpskqsnx04y.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/4f%20over%20the%20embankment_zpskqsnx04y.mp4) The 4f then goes over the viaduct
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_4f%20over%20the%20viaduct_zpsbim2vjcq.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/4f%20over%20the%20viaduct_zpsbim2vjcq.mp4) a 4mt with a passenger train goes out of the station into the tunnel coming out over the embankment.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/th_4mt%20with%20passenger%20train_zpstmwukuuy.mp4) (http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b597/lilchris261/4mt%20with%20passenger%20train_zpstmwukuuy.mp4)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 23, 2017, 06:25:04 am
Very nice, Chris. Thanks for posting them
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 23, 2017, 07:02:39 am
The goods yard points are all working although some seem slower operating than others for no apparant reason.
I have found with DCC that point operating time can vary form practically instant to several seconds.  I think it is because the DCC system uses a polling process, so if your contoller and the accessory ID are at the back of the queue, it takes a few seconds, whereas if they are top of the list, they switch straight away.  There is no hard and fast time associated with any one point.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on February 23, 2017, 07:06:34 am
Hi Chris

I too have a Atlas/Tomix track cleaner that I have been using in wet cleaning mode. Now that I also have a CMX track cleaner (looks like your cleaner tanker), I've been running a cleaner train with the Atlas in vacuum mode as well as with the CMX. This was not enough to get my locos running smoothly across my girder bridge (even the Katos were hesitating) which was not accessible to hand cleaning so I've changed the Atlas to dry track cleaning mode that uses a rotating abrasive disk. Solved the problem though I understand that this gradually grinds down the track. Another section of Micro Engineering bridge track will be cheap enough.

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 24, 2017, 09:56:35 pm
Hi everyone.I must admit I have only tried my Tomix in vacuum mode but since cutting the handle down on the top it now goes all the way around the layout. The Sharge tanker will not go past the station footbridge which is a bit of a letdown, I have cut the clip down to make it narrower myself. I could divert it on the back platform so it misses the footbridge but also of course misses the two main tracks. I need to consult the Tomix instructions on how to use it in wet mode and try that and see how it goes, I have bought Dapol cleaning fluid for the purpose.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on February 25, 2017, 12:15:18 am
My Atlas/Tomix cleaning car works very well in wet cleaning mode. However, the fluid reservoir is a bit small as it only makes it 3/4 of the way round my track before needing refilling. And, the rotating pad catches on the guard rails on one of my bridges. Goes across points just fine though.

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 25, 2017, 07:17:54 pm
thanks for that Webbo, I have yet to try it in wet or the cleaning mode, only tried the vacuum mode up to now. I was going to give it a go tonight but I have forgot to put the heater on up in the loft.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 26, 2017, 10:06:18 pm
wellI have run down the sidings with a craft knife but some of the earth between the tracks cracked a little. I then went over it with some more pledge to seal it, the trouble is it turned white again, so that seems the difference with this pledge and the old stuff. So I have had to paint it with some acrylics to darken again, then clean the rails again where I had some paint. I will see how it dries hopefully all will be ok, and possibly another test session in the good yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 27, 2017, 06:28:03 am
It sounds like you;e getting there Chris.  Can we see a picture with some goods yard ops?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 27, 2017, 10:46:20 pm
Thanks Laurence, the paint seems to have dried ok and blended in well, hopefully no one will notice. I need to try a loco now to make sure they run ok,then hopefully some pics and even maybe a video.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 11, 2017, 10:21:14 pm
So everyone not much to report on at the moment, I have made the inside of the goods yard rails deeper track, which caused more problems plus I need to do my pet hate which is clean the track again. After a bit of re-organisation in the loft room I need to find my instructions and start to use my Tomix cleaning wagon. I have thought of removing the foot bridge on the station platform so I can also run the Sharge cleaner all the way round without having to stop it at the bridge. I do not think it would need much more height to enable the Sharge to operate.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 22, 2017, 08:58:15 pm
Hi everyone, I have finally had a play with some trains. The railway was getting to me, I was finding it a little frustrating to say the least plus other problems around the home have kept me busy. I have today successfully run the D47 with Tomix around both ways, a certain point in the fiddle yard still causes the loco to cut, strangly when set for the straight on, route. The trouble is it is on the fiddle yard and hard to get too as it is under the eaves of the loft roof, dismantling the layout to get to it would be needed. For the moment I will just avoid that route for that loco, back to running some stock, while England play Germany on the tv, probably a forgone conclusion that match,one can live in hope.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on March 22, 2017, 09:28:22 pm
Sorry to hear the problems have caused a loss of mojo but I'm sure it will be back soon, Chris
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on March 23, 2017, 06:47:50 am
I've found my basic Peco erasers pretty good.  One thing has emerged, which might be causing you a problem.  Some locos require the inside of the rails to be cleaned.  Cleaning the top alone does no good.  Presumably they rely on the flanges to pick up.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 23, 2017, 07:48:19 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Do keep persevering. Get some trains running and enjoy sitting and watching them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on March 23, 2017, 08:10:53 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. Do keep persevering. Get some trains running and enjoy sitting and watching them.
Watching model trains running is always good therapy for a modeller, even when, like mine, the surroundings are pretty rudimentary.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 31, 2017, 08:01:13 pm
Hi everyone, just a quick word to let you know how things are going. I am still having trouble with the goods yard, I have been forced to remove some of the scatter from between the tracks. Clearances are very small with N-gauge and one of my tank loco's just would not run in the sidings till I lowered the scatter between the rails. This has been a slow process and I am gradually getting there. I now need to clean the top of the rails and try again with a engine, one thing I forgot is it is one thing trying the rails with a goods wagon and then a loco. The wheels and flanges are bigger but even doing that was not enough, I could feel the loco rocking in places which caused lack of traction and pickup. So now I have left it just above the sleepers, in some places you can see the sleepers, but it is important to me for good running with any of my loco's in the goods yard, no restrictions.



Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on March 31, 2017, 08:32:42 pm
From my perspective, it's all about running trains.  The scenics are great, but if the trains won't run, it's not a model railway.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on March 31, 2017, 08:46:05 pm
Hopefully you can sort it Chris. I know how frustrating it is when things don't work out but persevere and you'll get there.
Definitely you don't want scatter material too high betweeen the tracks. It should, I think, only be just above the sleepers. I do it by sprinkling the scatter then flood it with dilute PVA. Repeat to fill in gaps and finally fill in any tiny remaining gaps with more scatter.
I run my finger along to check for any potential humps.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on March 31, 2017, 09:17:22 pm
Very frustrating. When you glue ballast and before the glue sets run a wagon with the biggest pizza wheels you've got along the track. Firstly pushed against one rail then again against the other. This should ensure that locos will run OK. I just hope that theory and practice come together!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 01, 2017, 08:25:40 am
Hi Chris, i know itís not much help now but when i did the ballasting on the Grandsons layout i did it the way i had seen a video on youtube from a guy who is well respected but for the flipping life of me i canít think of his name and the video has been deleted of the tube, but they way he showed on the video was using a syringe you put watered down pva to a thickish milky consistency down the sides  and in-between of the track then sprinkle ballast on the pva and you will see that it sinks, if you havenít done it to thick with the pva, you then will have no problem with ballast stuck to the track or to high. It is a little bit of trail and error has is all types of ballasting, but believe me when you have got it right you can have no more fears on ballasting.  Happy Modelling Chris     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2017, 09:20:44 am
Have you seen this? 



I haven't done any ballasting yet (nor even thought about it) but this looks like quite a good approach.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 01, 2017, 10:05:52 am
That is something like Laurence but they video i saw the guy used a dry syringe with the plunger out and he filled that up and sprinkled it on very lightly, that way it caused less mess and didnít use has much, but also he watered it down so the ballast sank into the pva, the guy on your video just  used it neat, it was far to thick really, thats why maybe he had to do more work on it.       :thumbs:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on April 01, 2017, 11:19:38 am
Did you watch the whole video.  He actually used a 50/50 water PVA/water mix with a couple of drops of washing up liquid sprayed onto the dry ballast to stick it down.  The neat PVA along the edges was simply to give a good shoulder to the ballast.  We were passing the local Boots this morning so I popped in and bought one of the fine sprays for £1.55.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 01, 2017, 11:38:35 am
Yes i did Laurence, the beginning of the video he said he used neat and looking at it is was, i have never had to wet it down after with 50/50 mix because it is the correct mixture to start with Laurence so no need to spay it again, an you have to be very careful Laurence you donít wet it to much around the points. But everyone will find their own way Laurence, i do it the way that worked for me and i donít have to level it all out because i have put too much on.  The best thing to do is try a small bit doing it different ways and see what works best for you.    :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on April 01, 2017, 01:28:03 pm
We were passing the local Boots this morning so I popped in and bought one of the fine sprays for £1.55.

If you mean a 'misting' bottle they are a very handy tool to have. I don't use mine during ballasting but I do use it to overspray scatters and the like as extra 'security' before letting it dry and then vacuuming.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 02, 2017, 08:02:13 am
We were passing the local Boots this morning so I popped in and bought one of the fine sprays for £1.55.

If you mean a 'misting' bottle they are a very handy tool to have. I don't use mine during ballasting but I do use it to overspray scatters and the like as extra 'security' before letting it dry and then vacuuming.

Same for me Mick.      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 02, 2017, 07:23:39 pm
Thanks guys for your advice, I have used Ballast magic for my ballasting this time round on most of my track. But in the goods yard I first glued cork upto the level of the tracks at the sides, then I layed the scatter material and used a technique using pledge floor wax and some weathering powders to colour it, it took a while to do. More information in my earlier posts, if go back in my history. One of the problems was sometimes the wax did not dry clear and left a white stain, which I had to colour again. So having to remove a lot after all this is a bit frustrating to say the least, perhaps I should have just tried one siding first and then tested, we live and learn.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 03, 2017, 04:09:46 am
We sure do Chris, i am learning all the time lol    :laugh3:

Seriously though, have you found that has soon as you have ballasted and run a loco one the track were you have ballasted you get noise from the track again! How do you stop that apart from not ballasting.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 07, 2017, 08:30:34 pm
Hello everyone, I have had a good session cleaning the rails and removing ballast from be-tween them, not much between them now I am afraid. But and a BIG BUT the loco's now will run into the goods yard. I have even had my class47 along with the Tomix in hoovering mode and backed it into the goods yard. I have used my GP tank has the main testing tool, I think that has the deepest flanges being the oldest loco I have. I still have one or two teething problems but on the main it is ok with some good all round running. The points including the 3 way point and the double slip etc are working ok, I notice that some of the Cobalt motors are slower than others but they work. I will take some pics of the goods yard after I have re coloured between the rails, where parts of it now look too light, and post them over the next few days.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on April 07, 2017, 08:32:22 pm
Glad to hear that things appear to be on the up Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on April 07, 2017, 08:36:33 pm
Good news. :thumbsup: A bit more serious testing and you'll be away!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 08, 2017, 07:08:00 am
Glad to hear Chris, my layout it at a standstill at the moment.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: wookie on April 08, 2017, 09:43:24 am
Nice one Chris!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2017, 10:09:15 am
Very good news, Chris. A thorough running session is called for now, I think. 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 11, 2017, 08:11:19 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments and encouragement, I am in the process of painting between the rails, it looks a little light in places. I thought of using a airbrush but I would then have to start with cleaning the rails again so I think it will be by brush, slower but will cause less problems.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 12, 2017, 12:24:34 am
I have done some touching up ie between the rails tonight here is a pic has promised.



sorry pic was upside down i will reload it on the other computer later today....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on April 12, 2017, 07:03:40 am
Look forward to seeing the pictures of what you have done, I have a lot of ballasting and painting to come so I am learning a lot from your posts
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 12, 2017, 08:33:01 pm
Thanks Milton Rail, for your comments,it pleases me my efforts are of help to someone. Here is the pic now i have uploaded on my w7 pc, for some reason w10 shows the pic the correct way round in its viewer but is still upside down when you post it on here.
See what you think guys, at least the locos now run, the worst one was my old GP tank, but I did not want any limitations on what can run anywhere on the layout. The old GP tank was very low with a gear popping out the bottom, not sure if that was what was catching, its a pity I liked the look of the scatter level with the rails.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on April 12, 2017, 08:40:14 pm
That looks OK to me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on April 12, 2017, 10:26:12 pm
Looks suitably filthy and grungy to me, Chris.

Well done.
Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on April 12, 2017, 10:31:37 pm
That looks good to me, Chris :thumbsup:

"The train now standing on platform 2 should be standing on the rails" :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 12, 2017, 10:35:39 pm
thanks everyone for the kind comments, I will carry on now then, I must find my instructions for my Tomix. I have moved things around a bit, they will be in a draw somewhere, I want to run that in wet mode.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on April 13, 2017, 09:12:57 am
Yard is looking good Chris
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 14, 2017, 08:18:40 am
Looks great Chris, is that a 3 way point by the way.       :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 15, 2017, 10:01:44 pm
Hi there thanks again for the comments. Yes Steamie+ it is a heavily modified 3 way point, I added extra feeds where required it it works with no problems. There is a thread on the forum advising how to do it,mine was already laid down so I added my extra feeds while it was in situ, done carefully you would never know.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on April 16, 2017, 07:45:55 am
That looks OK to me. :thumbsup:

Me too. Looking very good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Steamie+ on April 16, 2017, 08:13:02 am
Hi there thanks again for the comments. Yes Steamie+ it is a heavily modified 3 way point, I added extra feeds where required it it works with no problems. There is a thread on the forum advising how to do it,mine was already laid down so I added my extra feeds while it was in situ, done carefully you would never know.

Thanks Chris, I will put a search in later.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on April 16, 2017, 07:14:09 pm
The yard is looking good now Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 26, 2017, 08:11:35 pm
Hi everyone, I have been having a trial run with my Sharge cleaner but I am having problems. As it stands now I do not see how it works the left screw is the filler which is ok, the right screw is supposed to controlthe feed to the track. The screw on the top just unscrews so I am not sure what has gone wrong, I can not remember how it worked when I bought it because at the time it was too wide, I cut it down my self,its still too high for my footbridge.
Can anyone advise about it.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on April 26, 2017, 09:58:53 pm
Hi Chris

It looks to me like the middle nut is supposed to turn the pin extending upwards, but has come loose. I have a CMX and its configuration looks pretty much the same as your Sharga as far as I can tell. The CMX middle nut controls the rate at which the track cleaner drips onto the pad directly below. I can only suggest that you try a bit of Loctite on the pin threads or contact Sharga for a replacement of the valve assembly if that is what is wrong.

Good luck
Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 27, 2017, 12:20:47 am
Thanks Webbo for your help, that is what I thought was wrong with it. I have some Loctite somewhere, its years old from my Triumph motorcycle days when everything fell off.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Webbo on April 27, 2017, 12:49:16 am
Hi Chris

The centre knob on my CMX just turns a needle valve near the bottom of the tank. A very simple mechanism. The needle valve can be easily removed by continuously unscrewing it. Almost certainly yours is the same so you could remove yours by twisting the centre post counterclockwise. Might make gluing/Loctiting a bit easier.

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on April 27, 2017, 09:34:35 am
I have some Loctite somewhere, its years old from my Triumph motorcycle days when everything fell off.

How very dare you! As an ex member of the Triumph Owners Club (Nulli Secundus) bits only fell off Hardly MovablesMotorbikesDavidsons :P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on April 27, 2017, 10:34:47 am
wasn't loctite used more on Bits Stuck Anywhere bikes? ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 27, 2017, 08:44:50 pm
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

I had a Triumph T120 Bonneville, 1968 brand new and once the exhaust nearly fell off and later the swing arm came loose throwing me off as I was going round a corner. Must admit the factory where great, my bike went back for gearbox problems, it used to jump out of top gear before you could get to 120mph,by the way it was legal then there was no limit.
Re the railway I can not find my Loctitie so I will have to go and buy some.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on April 27, 2017, 08:54:05 pm
I must admit the later models I had such as a 750cc Tiger and then a 750cc Bonneville with indicators generally rattled the stalks undone, and you could always tell a Triumph rider by oil on one or both boots, a petrol smelling finger from 'tickling' the carburettor and a wet inside leg 'cos the seats always used to split and when you sat on them they squeezed the water onto your leg.
However, they always said you could tell a happy biker by the flies upon his teeth. I was not happy to have a bee fly into an open face helmet and I couldn't get the helmet off quickly enough :ouch:

Sorry to go horribly off topic but it's not the first time and I very much doubt it will be the last :-[
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on April 27, 2017, 09:22:10 pm

Sorry to go horribly off topic but it's not the first time and I very much doubt it will be the last :-[

You could have a sign made, (or maybe a new smiley) - 'Warning - Diversion Ahead'  :whistle:  ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on April 28, 2017, 12:09:39 pm
Or...............

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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on April 29, 2017, 12:27:48 am
NP Mick, I started the off topic in the first place, of course I was asking for it. Nice to have you on pillion...he...he
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on April 29, 2017, 08:44:40 pm
NP Mick, I started the off topic in the first place, of course I was asking for it. Nice to have you on pillion...he...he

Just becareful where he hangs on. :-[
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 01, 2017, 11:26:58 pm
I forgot to add I picked up a cheap signal the other week from my local model shop, I got it at the price on the label. It should be simple enough to wire up and work, I hope, no big loss if it does not.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 02, 2017, 10:47:23 am
I've never heard of DSC but hope it works well for you
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 14, 2017, 11:42:05 pm
Well I need to make some decissions with regards to what I do next, I have made a start on some industrial  buildings to go in front of the viaduct. I can not make my mind up what to do next with the goods yard. I have decided to leave the surface now between the tracks, I am happy enough with that. I need to make a start on some of the signals for the goods yard, I have some of the signal/shunting discs but I am not sure where they would have used them.. I also have a Ratio Goods Crane kit to make and need to decide where to place that, probably between two sidings would be good. I also need to make a start on the station buildings and canopys, I have plenty to do I just need to make a few moves.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on May 15, 2017, 06:29:26 am
That sounds like quite a lot of work, Chris.  I hope you can make time to run some trains as well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: chrispearce on May 15, 2017, 06:46:51 am
I also have a Ratio Goods Crane kit to make and need to decide where to place that, probably between two sidings would be good.

Hi Chris. Just a thought. Surely a goods crane would used to transfer goods from the railway to lorries? In which case it would need to be on a siding that is adjacent to a road. These are often found inside goods sheds or just outside.

Brilliant layout. Have watched this one 'from afar' and muse over your techniques. One can learn much!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 15, 2017, 08:45:23 am
I'd concentrate on one area at a time Chris. Maybe crack on with getting the goods yard finished.
Looking really good though. Keep the updates rolling in.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 16, 2017, 08:09:27 pm
WellI have made a start on the Metcalfe buildings. I had already made the factory unit for the old layout, so I have that if needed. The main thing was I wanted a chimney, that was one of the things you used to see a lot of looking out the carriages on the East lancs railway. Of course a lot have been knocked down by Fred Dibna and the like, so not so many nowadays to see.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 16, 2017, 08:18:55 pm
In case anyone is interested,these are the watercour pencils I use on the edges of the buildings. They are so easy to use, keep them sharp and run the point down the edge carefully, wetting the tip helps. If you slip up its no problem, it comes off with a bit of the wet stuff (spit) out of your mouth. Burnt humber matches the brickwork pretty good.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 18, 2017, 10:18:26 pm
Well I have done more work on the buildings,the intention is to finish the viaduct section. There is just space in front of the viaduct at the moment, no idea what I am going to do.I will just play around with the buildings and see what fits, the chimney is a must and some sort of access road coming from under one of the arches. I have been to my favorite model shop today seeking advice about the goods yard signalling, plus I needed some sharp blades for my Swann Morton craft knifes.

I also found out the Manchester show is on this weekend 20/21st May at the Transport Museum Manchester. Its usually not a bad show plus you can look around the museum too at the old buses etc.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 19, 2017, 11:19:43 pm
The buildings are coming along nicely, I have modified one building which has the chimney. I have made a piece up to fit on the roof out of bits of wood to fit the chimney onto. This enables the chimney to be removed, I will post pics later to show how this has been done, hopefully it will stop it getting damaged.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on May 20, 2017, 11:50:06 am
Nice progress on the buildings Chris, hope you resolve the issue with the cleaning tank

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 20, 2017, 11:57:49 am
Must admit I haven't looked at this thread for a while  :-[  (Daughter got married)

But it looks like things are progressing nicely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2017, 01:36:51 pm
Nice progress on the buildings Chris, hope you resolve the issue with the cleaning tank

Cheers,
Andrew
Thanks Andrew, I bought some thread lock and applied it and it seems to have worked.hopefully I can try it now when I do a track cleaning session.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2017, 06:26:56 pm
Must admit I haven't looked at this thread for a while  :-[  (Daughter got married)

But it looks like things are progressing nicely.  :thumbsup:
Thanks Bealman, I must admit I have not posted much of late,I have been a bit busy with other things.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2017, 08:51:46 pm
I have completed the Metcalfe Buildings,boiler house and engine shed and chimney. I have made the chimney removable to avoid accidents when working in the area, simply a block of wood, the chimney is a snug fit.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 20, 2017, 08:54:46 pm
Dashed clever, old chap. Dashed clever.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 20, 2017, 09:25:22 pm
The plan is for the buildings to go here, something like this, it should create some scenic interest. I want the trains going through the scenery look.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1784-200517212252.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on May 20, 2017, 09:32:13 pm
An ingenious solution to an erectile problem. The factory  looks good in front of the viaduct. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 20, 2017, 11:50:43 pm
 :hellosign: &  :greatpicturessign: Chris, very nice modelling, thanks for sharing
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on May 21, 2017, 06:30:51 am
Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on May 21, 2017, 08:31:56 am
Looking good Chris
Good thinking about the removable chimney
I have a couple of factories to build and will bear that in mind
Cheers Dennis
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 21, 2017, 08:34:41 am
Excellent Chris. Looks really good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 21, 2017, 12:24:23 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on May 21, 2017, 03:28:21 pm
I've just found this thread and whilst I haven't yet followed it through from the start, the quality of work is amazing and I have already picked up a tip from the last few posts.  Well done.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 21, 2017, 05:26:45 pm
Thanks for the nice comments,I am pleased I have helped you in some way. I myself have learned a lot from this website the members are fantastic and very helpfull.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 26, 2017, 10:11:06 pm
Well things have come to a stop for the time being, this warm weather is making it hard in the loft. Has I chat now the temp is 32 degrees way to warm, a bit of keyboard practice and off I go.I have a cooling unit but it takes up a bit of space, I might try to find some space for it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on May 27, 2017, 06:41:27 am
Well things have come to a stop for the time being, this warm weather is making it hard in the loft. Has I chat now the temp is 32 degrees way to warm, a bit of keyboard practice and off I go.I have a cooling unit but it takes up a bit of space, I might try to find some space for it.
It gets quite hot in the Train Shed with the Sun on it, but at least I can open the windows (all nine if necessary).  However, when the outside temperature is 25C it's not going to cool down too much in there.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on May 27, 2017, 02:53:20 pm
Well things have come to a stop for the time being, this warm weather is making it hard in the loft. Has I chat now the temp is 32 degrees way to warm, a bit of keyboard practice and off I go.I have a cooling unit but it takes up a bit of space, I might try to find some space for it.

I'm not surprised, Chris. At 04.30 this morning the temperature outside was 21 degrees C and inside it was 25!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 28, 2017, 12:20:36 pm
Well last night I managed to mark out where the buildings are going.i intend to paint the road out and lay some ground cover next and glue the buildings in position.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bridge69 on May 29, 2017, 12:41:27 am
The plan is for the buildings to go here, something like this............

Starting to get a real Lancashire industrial look, I bet it looks great if your eyes almost go down to board level, look through factory yard to the viaduct arches. Is any track being laid in the yard ?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 29, 2017, 10:39:12 am
Hi thanks for your interest, there is no more track being laid. I have run out of grey primer so a trip to Halfords is required and then I will crash on so to speak.



Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 29, 2017, 10:53:50 am
Well things have come to a stop for the time being, this warm weather is making it hard in the loft. Has I chat now the temp is 32 degrees way to warm, a bit of keyboard practice and off I go.I have a cooling unit but it takes up a bit of space, I might try to find some space for it.

I'm not surprised, Chris. At 04.30 this morning the temperature outside was 21 degrees C and inside it was 25!
Oh, you poor souls. Really hot.

If it's any consolation it got up to 16 degrees today in Chez Bealman and I've been feeling the cold all day!  :D ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 29, 2017, 11:23:55 am
It's ok for you Bealman your used to it we are not,It's like one in a million here. Now was the the name of a tv program years ago with Simon & Brenda.............???????
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on May 29, 2017, 11:34:54 am
It's ok for you Bealman your used to it we are not,It's like one in a million here. Now was the the name of a tv program years ago with Simon & Brenda.............???????
Chance in a Million it was called.
It is one of my very all time favourites. I have the whole series on DVD. Brilliant stuff. Maybe not everyone's cup of tea though.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on May 29, 2017, 12:21:42 pm
Actually  guys, it does get cold here. I'll be rugged up when I go to Canberra  to see Webbo's layout in a couple of weeks. Minus zero temps  in winter!  :thumbsup: :beers:

George
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 29, 2017, 04:19:34 pm
Thanks Martin I of course new that I have it on DVD too.thanks Bealman you better get your woollies on.




Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on May 29, 2017, 08:14:24 pm
well the primer has been used to the yard and I have also mixed up some filler to raise the ground surrounding the yard. I was lucky I only just had enough filler but made it a smite to thin, I also added some acrylics to the filler to pre colour it a bit.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on May 30, 2017, 09:45:59 pm
Thanks for the updates Chris, look forward to seeing that crossing develop
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 01, 2017, 10:42:46 pm
well things have come to a stop for a few days, I need to climb under the layout to get to the viaduct module. Trouble is I fell off my bike( mountain bike) last night and have grazed my left leg bad, no on my knees for a few days. I will concentrate on finishing the loading ramp for the the factory, and I noticed one end of the factory building, the part which is showing needs some more work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2017, 11:16:53 pm
Sorry to read about your injury, Chris. I wish you a speedy recovery. Meanwhile, I look forward to seeing the factory building.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on June 02, 2017, 08:05:09 am
Hope the knee makes a quick recovery.
How's the bike? :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2017, 09:46:59 am
Sorry to hear about your prang, Chris, and hope you're back to fitness very soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2017, 10:27:24 am
Thanks everyone for the kind comments,my bike is ok  no damage,but my pride is damaged.I have not fell off any sort of bike for years,I was clocking 12mph uphill at the time of the accident. It was my own fault trying  to keep up with a guy 22 years younger, he has had a heart bypass in fairness.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on June 02, 2017, 10:55:22 am
Hope all is good Chris, but the older I get, a Clint Eastwood quote comes to mind.....

A man's gotta know his limitations.

Hence I will not be prancing around Cradle Mountain in Tasmania when I go there in August. Did it a few years ago and it nearly killed me.

Stick with Clint  ;) ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2017, 01:41:03 pm
It was my own fault trying g to keep up with a guy 22 years younger, he has had a heart bypass in fairness.

Not that I'm 22 years younger but it sounds like there's hope for me yet :laugh3:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 02, 2017, 10:48:06 pm
well things have come to a stop for a few days, I need to climb under the layout to get to the viaduct module. Trouble is I fell off my bike( mountain bike) last night and have grazed my left leg bad, no on my knees for a few days. I will concentrate on finishing the loading ramp for the the factory, and I noticed one end of the factory building, the part which is showing needs some more work.
:hellosign: Hope you have a speedy recovery Chris
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 02, 2017, 11:18:02 pm
Thanks guys, I might give it a go tomorrow night, I am determined to finish the viaduct section board.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on June 03, 2017, 08:08:13 am
Speedy recovery Chris - 12mph uphill, that's impressive!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 03, 2017, 10:54:59 pm
More work tonight on the buildings, I have fixed some of them in place, a bit of painting on the ground works etc. The factory building is going to the right of the loading bay ramp which is fixed in place. A bit more work is needed on the factory building, doors etc,I still need to use some ground scatter yet and bushes etc, just making sure no white showing through anywhere.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on June 04, 2017, 06:37:03 am
The scenery is really impressive, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on June 04, 2017, 08:27:09 am
Coming together nicely Chris, the building looks right at home there
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 04, 2017, 09:55:26 am
A very nice typical Northern industrial scene developing there, Chris. Just needs some grime added to the brickwork.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 04, 2017, 11:55:31 pm
No work on the layout today unfortunately due to my injuries. No way I can climb under the layout after removing the dressings on my leg. It does not look infected but a trip to the doctors to make sure seems like a good idea. I have redressed the wounds to keep them clean but they are still painfull. It is unfortuate I can not get access to the viaduct board from the outside of the layout, I could remove a corner module but there is no rush.

The next stage is to add scatter etc and bushes and maybe a tree or two, this is part of what I enjoy doing most on the layout. I also work on the hill to the right before fixing the factory unit in place. I will makes things difficult for myself If I fix the factory first.I have already knocked another of the telegraph posts off the side of the viaduct, for a second time, they are very flimsy.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on June 05, 2017, 08:34:27 am
I hope you get yourself mended soon, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on June 05, 2017, 11:21:45 am
Hi Chris,
Sorry to hear about your mishap but glad you are feeling well enough to continue modelling. My modelling work is shelved for now as i am under orders to sort the garden and a few jobs around the house. Still have time at some point in the day to check on the forum and see what is going on.
Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bridge69 on June 06, 2017, 07:38:38 pm
Gravel rash, always stinger that. Hope your on mend now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 06, 2017, 09:13:26 pm
A update folks, Bad News the lower wound was infected, just going a little red round the outside is a clue, it was not getting hot though. I am now on a course of antibiotics, trouble is that is playing around with my guts and I already have chrones disease to contend with. Good news the upper wound is painful but seems to be healing ok, other small injuries incurred seem to be ok too. I just need to be patient and let things heal, its stopped me walking and doing my modeling. lucky I have more than one hobby in my old age, at least I can still play my music.
With reference to the railway modeling I finished the loading ramp which is in position, you can see it in position if you look carefully at my pics. luckily I did not fix the factory in place,I remembered I need to work on the hillside first when I can get to it.

Thanks everyone for all the good Get Well wishes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2017, 09:34:01 pm
As Father Ted would say "Go careful now'
Give yourself time to heal, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on June 06, 2017, 10:52:51 pm
As Father Ted would say "Go careful now'
Give yourself time to heal, Chris.

What NPN said and be a patient patient  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on June 07, 2017, 08:52:56 am
Take it easy Chris.
Don't rush. Let those wounds heal.

OMG-we all sound like your Mum!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 12, 2017, 11:30:53 pm
I just wrote a flaming essay and it said I did not have permission to post???????

Basically still struggling with the leg.......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on June 12, 2017, 11:41:03 pm
That's your problem Chris - you are supposed to use your hand for writing, not your leg!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on June 13, 2017, 06:33:47 am
I just wrote a flaming essay and it said I did not have permission to post???????
Hi Chris.  For my longer pieces, I write it all out in Word first and save it.  Then I can cut and paste it into the forum.  I started doing that after I had a similar experience to you when I wrote it all in the little window and then lost it all.  :angel:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 15, 2017, 11:25:24 pm
Hi everyone, last night I managed a bit of work on the factory unit and hillside. I put some scatter on the hill and some surrounding ground works.
I would have done more tonight but have removed the dressing off my leg wound so I need to take care with it, no on my knees under the baseboard seemed like a good idea. Some air to it should be good, now its looking a lot better, although still a little painfull.
Hopefully some more work can be done this weekend on the scenery around the factory.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: David Asquith on June 16, 2017, 09:11:55 pm
Sorry to hear about your accident Chris.  Hope you recover soon.  I fell out of a tree whilst  picking cherries last week.  Left hanging by one ankle until I could manoeuvre around to pull myself back up.  No lasting damage just a bit of swelling and bruising.  Funny thing was my son asking my wife what I was doing climbing trees at my age!  The pupil has become the master eh?

Dave
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 16, 2017, 11:02:00 pm
Thanks Dave, to be honest you sound worse than me, I will keep you in mind next time I have a discussion with Rambo.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 20, 2017, 10:01:03 pm
Hi everyone, well on the way to recovery now, my leg is a lot better. The railway room is a bit out of bounds with this heat wave, although stopped the work on the railway I love warm weather and have been out walking.

A nice surprise today, some more goods stock and a surburban coach from Cant Cove, they seem to have been transferred by express, thanks Chris.
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 20, 2017, 10:34:45 pm
Thanks for the photos. and the update text, Chris. I'm very glad that they all arrived quickly and safely. The CLPG overhauled the Suburban coach (resprayed roof) and some of the wagons (newly painted buffers). They all look at home. They were, indeed, transferred by express goods trains! 8-)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 22, 2017, 10:28:13 am
Still a bit warm in the loft but today I visited my local modelshop and bought a bag of second hand bits plus some red telephone boxes. I can definitely place the boxes on the layout, it's looking cooler today so I might get something done on the railway....hooray.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 22, 2017, 10:40:13 am
Refreshingly cooler here today as well, Chris, with a fine misty rain we call 'mizzle' even though it can still soak you through. Go careful now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 24, 2017, 09:40:14 pm
Hi everyone, among the bag of bits from the model shop was some figures, a vicar/priest and a lady in her wedding dress etc. So they have been placed around the church, not sure where the groom is or any other family members but I will add some later. I have also done some work around the factory, bushes and shrubs etc, I need some more stuff to add around the yard so it is still work in progress. pics to follow later.


Pics has promised.....(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1784-240617215149.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1784-240617215251.jpeg)

You can just about see the vicar stood near the church entrance waiting,possibly a little worried, perhaps they are late.Then walking up the path the bride and bridesmaid and one lady also in white.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 24, 2017, 10:28:59 pm
Really good work, Chris. Very glad that things are progressing well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on June 24, 2017, 10:31:05 pm
Looking good Chris. The Vicar is probably consoling the bride because there is no groom  ???.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 28, 2017, 11:13:38 pm
Hi everyone, I have had some fun with the telephone boxes. I thought I had glued one together yesterday but it had not stuck, I tried some different glue with the same result in the end I used some superglue I had bought from a railway show that seeme to have worked. They are made by Peco in the little green packets label'd "Model Scene", not sure what the plastic is. I used Humbrol Poly first then Rocket plastic glue, which I find a bit runny ie very thin. I have left them to dry for now hopefully it is stuck this time, the two halfs are glued together diagonally which makes them very fiddly and hard to hold even with tweezers.
 
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on June 29, 2017, 09:15:18 am
Thanks for the heads up, Chris. I have a pack of those somewhere.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on June 29, 2017, 04:25:03 pm
I have been to another model shop today and bought a selection of bits for setting the scene at the factory and around the layout. Some figures and barrels and wood crates etc, I have also done more work on the telephone box. The boxes come in red plastic and I did not intend to bother painting them but there was a diagonal slot across the top where the two half's join.n I decided to fill this with model filler so of course it needed painting fortunately I have a old tin of Humbrol red Gloss Nos 19 and that looks like a pretty good match. Some crates I bought also need painting, I also bought some post boxes with a postman and a cycle, they are pre painted which is good. When I have fixed the items in place I will post some more pics.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 02, 2017, 10:28:33 pm
a small bit of detailing tonight, I have located one of the telephone boxes in a corner. More work to do around that area yet, possible lines on the road,sign post  etc.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-020717222632.jpeg)



ps, that road under the bridge leads to no where except possibly death......he...he, more work needed the pic highlights it....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 03, 2017, 08:04:08 am
Thanks for the latest update, Chris. The telephone box looks excellent in place.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on July 03, 2017, 12:05:20 pm
Looking good Chris. Let's see the factory area when you are sorted.
Regards Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 08, 2017, 09:46:29 pm
Hi everyone, after a struggle round the model shops I gave up and went online and found the B-T models road trucks I saw in a advert in Railway Modeler. I bought 3 of them and I am really pleased with them, plus another suburban coach has arrived today. If anyone knows if you can buy decals to change the region on coaches I would appreciate it. Some of the coaches seem to be hard to get and I now have a few suburban with the wrong region which I would like to change. Thanks, I will go back to my chilled Kopparberg cider now,it helps in this warm loft, that's my excuse anyway.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-080717214550.jpeg)

Thanks John and Chris for the coach
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 08, 2017, 10:00:03 pm
Now I have the above road vehicles I can do some more work on the factory scene and the goods yard, I need some coal stithes to finish the scene.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on July 09, 2017, 08:30:36 am
Now I have the above road vehicles I can do some more work on the factory scene and the goods yard, I need some coal stithes to finish the scene.
I look forward to seeing the results!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 09, 2017, 11:10:17 pm
More work on the factory scene, a truck added plus a stacker truck and some workers and a few crates and pallets etc.
Also more static grass, the scene is getting there. I intend to finish the factory scene/cameo before starting work on the goods yard.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 14, 2017, 08:07:51 pm
More work on the factory scene, added a truck and stacker truck, pallets and figures etc. More fencing reqiured yet to fence the factory off from the river and possibly some trees.Once this has been done I will weather the whole scene including the buildings. A few pics showing the progress. With regard to the goods yard, I have bought another coal yard kit with staithes, but I have also made another staithe of my own out of Styrene. I am thinking of placing these on the back siding next to the dirty cobbled road, I have a small crane too but have not decided where to put that, possibly between the second and third siding, just behind where the tank loco is, or to the left of the cattle dock. Either way the back siding looks like being the busy. I am thinking of putting a small platform between the back of the station and the first siding for unloading vans etc. Any other ideas will be appreciated, I do not want it too cramped.
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The next few pics show the coal staithes and a couple of overhead views of the goods yard .....
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Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on July 14, 2017, 08:18:02 pm
Looking really good Chris.
I love the factory building which sits nicely below the viaduct.
The viaduct itself looks very impressive. Especially from the angle in the third photo.
A crane will look very much at home in the goods yard. Could I suggest some general clutter such as oil drums, wood loads, barrells etc. A Scammell Scarab or two would look good too.
Excellent stuff. Keep up the good work (and the updates).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Skyline2uk on July 14, 2017, 08:24:48 pm
What he said, plus pallets!

Many years ago I got some N gauge pallets from Ratio, believe they are still sold, along with barrels etc.

It's all looking very good indeed.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 14, 2017, 08:26:40 pm
Thanks Martin for the nice comments, yes plans are  afoot for some trucks in the goods yard, I also have some drums ready. I intend to finish the factory scene first before working on the goods yard, but I am collecting items ready for use in the goods yard. I plan to enable shunting using D&G couplings, there is a magnet in place already between the 3 way point and the slip, there is another on the main line down track so wagons can be dropped off. I have some dummy ground signals which might come handy to mark where the magnets are.

If you look closely on the second pic you can see some boxes stacked up and a single barrel in the factory yard. I did manage to separate another barrel, they are P & D Marsh castings, to put somewhere but it flicked off and disapeared in the room somewhere, no doubt I will find it one day, probably kneel on it and have it embedded in my knee.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on July 14, 2017, 08:44:00 pm
That's looking excellent, Chris but, wot, no greenery? :o
Are your workers so good at keeping weeds/undergrowth/shrubs etc down?
I know it can be done right at the end but please consider it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on July 26, 2017, 07:56:58 pm
Hi everyone, here is a little camera bought recently, I thought it was small enough to go round on a bolster wagon but it catches the bridges. So I need to get a old wagon and perhaps remove the body so I can mount the camera on the chassis. Then perhaps a video of the layout from a trains point of view will be forthcoming, watch this space.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-260717195116.jpeg)

compared to a small spoon......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-260717195157.jpeg)

I have also bought another Berko signal for the station and one of the new (4) packs of cars Oxford have brought out. They do the Oxford  packs in 60's and 70's etc with cars relevant to the year. I have also bought a Metcalfe platform canopy kit ready for more work on the station and goods yard. Regarding the cars it does not tell you what the models are in the packs, the pack I have has the Ford Anglia, A Humber Estate, I think the gold car is a Jowet Javelin and possibly the blak car is a Austin princess ideal for weddings etc or the mayor......
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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-260717195025.jpeg)

Slightly worrying is the Oxford 00 gauge railways on the box but it also says 1:148 scale too.........Phew thought I had picked the wrong ones.......
Confirmation of the car names would be appreciated.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on July 26, 2017, 08:06:59 pm
Chris, the gold car does have a look of a Javelin. Any chance of a side on or 3/4 angle view?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on July 26, 2017, 09:18:41 pm
The gold car looks very much like  a Jowet Javelin. It had a flat 4 engine and a very distinctive exhaust noise.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on July 26, 2017, 09:28:41 pm
I remember from my childhood that the Javelin looked very much like a super-dooper VW.  The main giveaway when one was coming towards you in the dark was the lights.  The Javelin had side lights built into the headlamp assembly and, in those days, cars used to run on side lights in built up areas.  The javelin always looked like an aproaching VW with very dim headlights.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: PennineWagons on July 26, 2017, 10:48:48 pm
The gold saloon is this one :-

http://www.hattons.co.uk/24773/Oxford_Diecast_NJJ002_Jowett_Javelin_in_metallic_golden_sand_livery/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/24773/Oxford_Diecast_NJJ002_Jowett_Javelin_in_metallic_golden_sand_livery/StockDetail.aspx)


the green estate is this one :-

http://www.hattons.co.uk/24765/Oxford_Diecast_NSS001_Humber_Super_Snipe_in_green/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/24765/Oxford_Diecast_NSS001_Humber_Super_Snipe_in_green/StockDetail.aspx)


and the black limousine is this one :-

http://www.hattons.co.uk/34733/Oxford_Diecast_NDS006_Daimler_DS420_Limousine_in_black/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.hattons.co.uk/34733/Oxford_Diecast_NDS006_Daimler_DS420_Limousine_in_black/StockDetail.aspx)


Hope this helps.
PW
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on July 27, 2017, 07:22:02 am
Great photo's Chris, the factory scene is looking great as you start to add the detail, inspiring me to get on with a bit of scenic work in Perthshire rather than loco's and coaches!

Hope the leg has healed up now
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 27, 2017, 07:43:56 am
Looking very good Chris.

Seems that working with barrels is a dangerous business. I have a ratio barrel somewhere on the floor of the man cave. As you say best way to find it is to crawl around and wait until it embeds itself in a knee.

Look forward to seeing results from the camera.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Skyline2uk on July 27, 2017, 08:03:21 am
Looking very good Chris.

Seems that working with barrels is a dangerous business. I have a ratio barrel somewhere on the floor of the man cave. As you say best way to find it is to crawl around and wait until it embeds itself in a knee.

Look forward to seeing results from the camera.

 :laughabovepost:

While your at it, keep an eye out for my phantom name-plate!

Skyline2uk
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Post by: RichardBattersby on July 27, 2017, 10:10:30 am
Cool camera - just don't mistake it for a pot of paint! Looking forward to seeing the video!
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 27, 2017, 10:59:24 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Chris, look forward to seeing videos
       regards Derek.
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Post by: lil chris on August 01, 2017, 09:08:39 pm
well after a  few busy days, swmbo was away, I have got round to making my camera car. Simple has possible, a Peco wagon chassis body removed and the camera fixed on the top with blue tack. It clears my road over bridges and tunnels, not checked the station over bridge but it should be ok, now for some fun.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/1784-010817210403.jpeg)
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 01, 2017, 09:21:40 pm
I look forward to seeing the results, Chris.
Sadly, with my plain 8' x 4' layout there's not really anything to see other than ovals but, out of interest, can I ask where you sourced the camera and how much please?
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Post by: lil chris on August 01, 2017, 10:52:13 pm
Hi Mick, someone put a link on this site, its off e-bay " the smallest camera in the world" , about £7 . It takes a mini sd card, upto 32gb, and can take pics and video and audio and save to the card, it comes with a usb cable. video resolution is 640x480, pic resolution 1600x1200.
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 02, 2017, 09:31:34 am
Thanks Chris.
Looks like this one.......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Smallest-Camera-In-The-World-Camcorder-Video-Recorder-DVR-Hidden-Pinhole-2MP-/322593401364?hash=item4b1c10aa14:g:v4UAAOSw~ElZaeNW (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Smallest-Camera-In-The-World-Camcorder-Video-Recorder-DVR-Hidden-Pinhole-2MP-/322593401364?hash=item4b1c10aa14:g:v4UAAOSw~ElZaeNW)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 02, 2017, 05:33:53 pm
Camera truck is great Chris, look forward to the videos.
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Post by: lil chris on August 02, 2017, 07:57:39 pm
Hi everyone, few problems with my railway pc not booting correctly, then I realised the time and date were incorrect, new CR 2032 battery, problem solved.

A few trees planted tonight around near the river/factory scene. I have some plans to make some vegetation to make it look a bit overgrown, I will see how it turns out, pics to follow plus possibly a video.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 05, 2017, 08:40:23 pm
Some work on the vegetation around the factory and the viaduct and river, starting to look better I think.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-050817203438.jpeg)
sorry if this one is slightly blurred.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-050817203555.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-050817203809.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-050817203951.jpeg)
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Post by: port perran on August 05, 2017, 08:45:01 pm
That is looking really good Chris.
I really like the stream flowing under the bridge.
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Post by: Train Waiting on August 05, 2017, 09:36:49 pm
 :greatpicturessign:

Very atmospheric - a true sense of place.

I look forward to seeing more.

All best wishes.

John
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Post by: Mito on August 05, 2017, 10:25:12 pm
Very nice. As already said, atmospheric too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 05, 2017, 10:49:27 pm
Very nice work, Chris. I particularly like the highly realistic stream. Good to see the added trees.
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 06, 2017, 09:10:46 am
starting to look better I think.


Totally agree, Chris. Very nice job :thumbsup:
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Post by: Bealman on August 06, 2017, 09:46:28 am
Thumbs up from Oz!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 06, 2017, 05:58:30 pm
Very impressive Chris
These finishing touches really make a difference
D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 07, 2017, 07:13:14 am
Looking really good Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2017, 08:08:58 pm
Hi everyone, a video is on its way, the camera battery had gone flat so its now on charge. Meanwhile back to cleaning the track, its a while since my last running session.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on August 08, 2017, 08:16:27 pm
Hi everyone, a video is on its way, the camera battery had gone flat so its now on charge. Meanwhile back to cleaning the track, its a while since my last running session.
Looking forward to it.
Whenever I try a video I find that the trains run beautifully until I start the camera then the problems start. But , of course, that's Sod's Law.
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Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2017, 08:31:38 pm
That's so true Martin, just going round with the isop now, tedious job but its required. The 4 Mt seems to be running round good without to much problem, it runs so slow, that's the ct chip in it. Main problems seem to be my insulfrog points in the fiddle yard, loco's stalling on them, I might gradually change them for live frogs especially on the left side of my fiddle yard where I have a frog juicer with 5 free ports.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 08, 2017, 10:14:10 pm
well here we go , second attempt, firefox crashed. The videos are a little dissapointing, I think the main cause is lack of light, plus more weight is needed in the camera wagon. As you will see in the second video it tipped over going round the curve. As usual soon as you set the camera up the class 47 which as been going round for a few mins tripped the circuit breakers going over another of the insulfrog points going into the fiddle yard. Plus the camera car is slightly too tall for the tunnel from the fiddle yard over the embankment towards the station, I think I can mod that one, but definately more light is required. The camera cost just under £7 so no great expense,like I said more light might help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG8rNL4xC3A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG8rNL4xC3A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TUX_ZrK3wE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TUX_ZrK3wE&feature=youtu.be)
By the way take no notice of the time and date, no idea of how to change it, the instructions say its on a the cd which of course I did not get.there is a text file changed that but it made no difference.
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Post by: keithbythe sea on August 09, 2017, 07:27:58 am
As you say Chris, there is room for improvement, but pretty good for the first run.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 09, 2017, 08:43:26 am
Hi Chris,
I would not class myself as an expert photographer by any means but just want to state that a lot of these small cameras do not have the correct focal length for "on board" footage. I too have just spent a little over £7 on a different micro camera but that also seems to have the wrong focal length for this sort of footage. I am not yet in a position to try it in any track but just by using it in normal circumstances I have found that anything closer than 500mm (20" in old money) appears blurred. I think that is the problem you are experiencing on the video. When I eventually test mine, i will let you know or even share it with the forum.
Cheers Dennis.
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Post by: Milton Rail on August 09, 2017, 09:11:38 am
Great photo's Chris, the track on the viaduct looks really good, as does the warehouse scene below.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on August 10, 2017, 08:44:46 am
Despite the problems, that was really interesting and the parts that worked ok looked good.
I may consider buying one of those wagon camera thingys and seeing what I can do.
Thanks for the pictures. I loved the whispering in the background!
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Post by: Webbo on August 10, 2017, 09:23:43 am
I think these on board videos are great fun and encourage all to have a go as Chris has done. There are a number of these cheap mini video cameras around and I've tried out three of them so far. Some are better than others. The issue of lack of focus can be addressed by using additional lenses. Here is a link to a thread in which a lot of this stuff has been discussed.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8974.150 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8974.150)

Webbo
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2017, 09:28:49 am
I am also a fan of the traincam. I think they are the most interesting videos on the forum. They show a layout in a most realistic manner.

It is just as interesting when trains enter tunnels, and construction techniques are revealed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 10, 2017, 09:54:24 am
Thanks for the replies,I need to find more light then I will try again. The knurled  thing on front of the lens does not seem to affect focus it just seems to be a lens protector. I have had a mess and managed to change the date,I have also fitted the metal plate back on the wagon. Hopefully another video might be a little better,I also need to find the cause of the problem with the point entering the fiddle yard,so some work to do.

By the way Martin the whispering in the background was probably me swearing........lol

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Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2017, 10:17:17 am

By the way Martin the whispering in the background was probably me swearing........lol

I turned the volume up to 11 and your language was shocking, Chris :o ;)
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Post by: daveg on August 12, 2017, 03:36:58 pm
Nice photo's.

Haven't done one for ages but always fun to make a driver's view type movie!

Lighting can be a problem and I solved mine by investing in a cheap and cheerful 3 bar spotlight job and stuck in dimmable GU10 LED lamps. That, along with a suitable dimmer gives loads of working light when you need it and dims down nicely when you want to add touch of atmosphere to the layout.

Look forward to the next epic.  :thumbsup:

Dave G



Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 13, 2017, 12:32:25 am
Thanks Dave for the idea, I have a old light unit that takes those and some of those led's too just need a dimmer. I also have a led fishtank light somewhere, well two but one is coloured I could possibly use the white unit.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 17, 2017, 10:39:36 am
Well I have modified the cam truck by putting the metal plate back. I had to mess around with blue tack to avoid making the camera higher. I have also done work on the tunnel from the embankment board,It was a little low.the only problem now is the station footbridge, i can not do anything about that it is fixed in place.another attempt at a video coming soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 17, 2017, 01:37:57 pm
Hi Chris,
With regard to the footbridge, can I suggest that you slow the loco down to a crawl, just stop short of it, then remove the camera, move the loco so forwards and re-attach cam just the other side of the before setting off again at a crawl. With a bit of clever editing I am sure people would hardly notice.
Cheers Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: daveg on August 17, 2017, 03:01:02 pm
I have a similar problem, Chris.

@Delboy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3997) has come up with the really simple answer -  :thankyousign:

We await your next video with interest.

Dave G
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 17, 2017, 03:55:18 pm
Thanks for the suggestion, what do you recommend for editing the video.it is something I have never tried so it needs to be easy to use and of course free.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 17, 2017, 07:17:31 pm
Hi Chris,
I have a Mac so use the iMovie software. However there are a few options reviewed in the link below:-
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/the-best-free-video-editor-1330136 (http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/the-best-free-video-editor-1330136)
Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 23, 2017, 08:46:54 pm
Thanks for that delboy, I have downloaded the lightworks program, I will see how it goes. I have tried making another video tonight using the mini cam with some extra light from a fish tank led light, it looks a lot better I think, just need to do a bit of editing.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on August 23, 2017, 08:52:17 pm
Looking forward to the video in due course, Chris. Hope it turns out well.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 23, 2017, 08:56:18 pm
Ditto as above.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 23, 2017, 09:42:58 pm
well I did more swearing than in the video trying to do that program too complicated for me.Will have to try something else.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 24, 2017, 08:36:18 am
Hi Chris
It's not straight forward especially if you haven't edited before. Try to find tutorials on line for whatever you choose. Good luck.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 25, 2017, 10:53:26 pm
Well today I have managed to wire up some lights for the fiddle yard track. It is a mains light fitting that was fitted in the room which I replaced with a fluorescent fitting. It takes 3 adjustable GU10 bulbs, halogen, which get warm, handy for winter in this loft or led bulbs which I think is what is in the fittings now.. I have some small led lights which were fitted under the eaves but they did not give off enough light. I plan to use these round one side of the layout, probably the viaduct section and the cutting. Hopefully I will then get a nice amount of light for videoing again. I have found a simple program which I think should be ok, I have it on my other computer downstairs not this one so I need to load it on here. Then I can post video's free of any bad swearing.......lol.
A couple of pics of the lighting, bonus is it lights up the control panel too, there are adjustable so I might get a better spread of light with adjustment, maybe the halogen bulbs give more light too but with some heat thrown in, I will save them for winter.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-250817224012.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-250817225258.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: daveg on August 26, 2017, 06:56:52 am
Getting the lighting right is important both for working on the layout as well as enjoying running it.

Your control panel looks a neat job. An incentive to get going on mine that is still at the 'design' stage!

Dave G
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: BoxTunnel on August 26, 2017, 07:04:53 am
Hi Chris,

Looking forward to some epic footage!  The software you mentioned, is it video editing software?  If so what are you using please, as I am tempted to add a bit of video to my thread.

Graham, didn't realise N Gauge modelling required channeling David Bailey and Ridley Scott!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on August 26, 2017, 08:24:32 am
I like the 'soft' look of your lighting, Chris. It's not harsh light that throws everything into shadows.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 26, 2017, 09:10:24 am
I second the above comments, Chris, and look forward to the next video.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 28, 2017, 09:56:05 pm
Well I am happy with the lighting under the eaves, lighting the fiddle yard and control panel, I even trimmed the name label on the control panel. I have started to remove the small light's I had under the eaves, they are low voltage but they should be power full enough for a couple of scenic sections, I need to make something to hang the lights on though. On the layout goods yard, I have decided on the position of the coal staithes and have glued them in position. I need to sort the point from the viaduct section into the fiddle yard, I am thinking of changing it for a live frog point because the Class 47 keeps tripping it every time it goes in the fiddle yard which is a pain in the ****. I have spare connections on a hex juicer, unfortunately it is on the left side of the fiddle yard, but I will manage it somehow. I am not going down the trying to get switches for frogs working with peco motors again, they were so un-reliable on the old layout.

I forgot to mention the video software I am planning on using, very simple but that's how I like it.
Avidemux.........http://www.techradar.com/reviews/avidemux (http://www.techradar.com/reviews/avidemux)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 28, 2017, 11:48:48 pm
Well here is an early video using the modified cam and some temporary light, I have used the simple but effective for cutting, Avidemux software. The train goes out of the station round the cutting over the viaduct into the tunnel and then backwards to the station.
https://youtu.be/NxmR5ojN3jQ
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on August 29, 2017, 07:01:46 am
That's better Chris. Just needs a bit more light I think.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on August 29, 2017, 08:16:15 am
Hi Chris
That lighting has made a huge difference to your footage
A little more in the darker areas and you will be laughing
Dennis :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2017, 08:20:07 am
That's better Chris. Just needs a bit more light I think.

Agreed; but you're getting closer to final success, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 29, 2017, 09:17:46 pm
I have been out all day today, up near Carnforth but unfortunately I did not get to visit the railway.
Tonight I have sorted where the 3 led lights can go, I had one fixed on the inside of the layout, but I am not happy with that one. I was trying to avoid obstructing the tv for when I watch that, but it spoils the view of the cutting so that has to go. I have come up  with brkts that can be placed anywhere along the back board, I have made two but I will make a third one for the other light.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-290817211527.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-290817211712.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 30, 2017, 08:33:04 pm
More work on the lights, they are removable so that makes life easier. A couple of pics showing the viaduct and cutting and the fiddle yard. I still need to sort the point on the entrance to the fiddle yard, I am thinking of getting a code 80 live frog point, unfortunately local shops do not keep stock so I will have to order on line. A couple of pics showing the lighting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-300817202758.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/1784-300817203235.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on August 30, 2017, 08:47:46 pm
I must say Chris, that scenic bit looks really good. The lighting certainly adds to the effect.
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 30, 2017, 09:30:47 pm
Hope you don't think I'm being hypercritical, Chris, but is there any way you can diffuse the light from your spots, such that you don't have pools of bright light in certain places?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on August 30, 2017, 10:17:19 pm
A tip I once read about to diffuse light was to use oven grease proof paper. Never tried it but would be cheap enough to try.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 31, 2017, 09:59:57 am
No your spot on Mick I do not like the bright spots,I tried to make the lights higher thinking it would give more spread of light. I will have to try a few things and see what can be done to diffuse the light.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 31, 2017, 10:52:05 am
If thise lights generate heat be very careful when using diffusers. BR Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on August 31, 2017, 11:15:07 am
Thanks Chris,they are led's and run coolish.i will not have them on most of the time,mainly on  when I attempt to make a video.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 01, 2017, 06:31:25 pm
I have tried some tracing paper held in place with cling film,that appears to have toned the light down a touch.I might try two pieces and see if that is better.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 06, 2017, 09:57:26 pm
Well having sorted some lighting out, the next task is to fit the Live frog code 80 point in the entrance to the fiddle yard. Unfortunately this is in a awkward place under the eaves but has I have made the layout modular I can remove the viaduct section to get to it, still a biggish job. I might just try fitting the point as it is out of the packet, I can fit a wire to the frog ready or retro fit a feed wire to the frog after. Although the point is in the fiddle yard I might paint the side of the switch rail to avoid problems, I did that with the curved point on the approach to the station which seemed to work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 06, 2017, 10:36:14 pm
Although the point is in the fiddle yard I might paint the side of the switch rail to avoid problems, I did that with the curved point on the approach to the station which seemed to work.

Sorry, Chris, but that has me well confused :confused1: (easy, I know)
Paint it with what and why please.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on September 06, 2017, 10:49:26 pm
Hi chris and thanks NPN,

I'm always confused so didn't dare ask.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 07, 2017, 12:44:32 am
Hi everyone and of course Mick......Sorry, Chris, but that has me well confused :confused1: (easy, I know)
Paint it with what and why please.

Perhaps I should explain, some of my loco's seem to have a problem with the curved point on the approach to the station from the cutting. The wheels must touch the outside edge of the switch rail on the point which causes a short. I even tried puting a check rail in front of the point and making sure of a good transition from the curve to the point. I have checked back to backs etc, the main offender seems to be my Class 47 diesel. Also one of the steam loco's had the same problem, I have forgot which one now, I need to check back on my own posts. I found by painting the side of the rail it seemed to have alleviated the problem, so I will do this point in advance. I used paint last time but I might try a bit of copydex which is latex and see how that works.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 07, 2017, 09:45:22 am
Aha! Nope - I'm still no wiser really :-[. I can understand how painting the rail side may prevent a short but can't imagine how the problem occurs in the first place :hmmm:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 10, 2017, 07:15:53 pm
well tonight I have made a start on installing the new point which involves part un-assembly of the layout, should be ok. Hoping for better running, if thats the case I might install a few more where I have a problem.

A tip here too, these Mr Kipling extremely nice mixing pots are very usefull for mixing paint/filler etc, you can throw them away afterwoods. A word of warning try to avoid eating all the cake your self it could seriously harm your health....!!!!Give some to the partner....!!!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-100917191013.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: gc4946 on September 10, 2017, 07:49:00 pm
My local Chinese takeaway provides similar containers (with lids)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 10, 2017, 07:55:13 pm
Well a bit of a blow, the job has come to a stop. I never noticed when I received the parcel last week but Hattons have sent me the wrong point, they have supplied a finescale point ie SL-E387F instead of SL-E387. The point is next to where the two types of track ie code55/80 meet, to fit the code 55 point would be difficult, hence why I ordered a code 80 in the first place. The joins work well on the edge of the board and I want to keep it that way, I will have to ring them tomorrow now, layout now in bits.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2017, 06:55:12 am
Sorry to read that, Chris. I hope that you get the replacement point soon and can resume trackwork.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on September 11, 2017, 11:52:45 am
Well a bit of a blow, the job has come to a stop. I never noticed when I received the parcel last week but Hattons have sent me the wrong point, they have supplied a finescale point ie SL-E387F instead of SL-E387. The point is next to where the two types of track ie code55/80 meet, to fit the code 55 point would be difficult, hence why I ordered a code 80 in the first place. The joins work well on the edge of the board and I want to keep it that way, I will have to ring them tomorrow now, layout now in bits.
I've had a few wrong points from Hattons with a similar number. They always send the correct one when I Email them, but it's a bit of a nuisance.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on September 11, 2017, 09:59:41 pm
Thanks for the updates Chris, great to see a solution to the lighting ... I was going to suggest a light box of some description (throw back to my old photography days in the studio) but you have got that in hand.  I have a steam powered internet connection at the moment at work and don't have enough coal to hand to get enough bandwidth for youtube!  Will save the links for watching when I get home (with the volume up to 12 to hear the whisperings) :)

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 11, 2017, 10:40:01 pm
Thanks everyone for the comments, Andrew you have been listening to that Mick too much, what whispering.
Anyway I have found out how to use a simple video editing tool so that has made things easier and I can now join a few clips together,I hope.  Hattons have dispatched a parcel to me today, I asked for a urgent delivery seeing has it was their error, they are sending it through Yodel. I have to stay in for a parcel which is also coming from Yodel, plus I have also ordered some more catches for the baseboards from Station Yard baseboards, they are usually very good with delivery. I have been using a couple of small G clamps to hold the corner boards to the station board, the station board is wider than the corner boards so a normal suitcase catch was not much use. I was trying to think of a way to get round the problem when I noticed they do a different "L" type catch which might solve my problem. If not back to the drawing board, probably a couple of pieces of wood fitted to the wide board should work. If everything comes tomorrow I will be happy, I can crash on fitting the point plus fit the suitcase catches, which will make pulling the boards apart a tad easier and more uniform.I will post some pics to show what I have done in due course. I also have some woodworking to do tomorrow repairing a cat tree for my son, already made some new corner blocks this evening, waiting for the glue to dry now.Think that will be done in the kitchen,forecast is rain tomorrow, while swmbo is out at work.
Sorry to hear of your steam powered internet Andrew, one of the parcels tomorrow is supposed to be a new faster router from Virgin Media so I will have that to setup too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 09:47:43 am
Andrew you have been listening to that Mick too much, what whispering.


Moi? :angel:

Hattons have dispatched a parcel to me today, I asked for a urgent delivery seeing has it was their error, they are sending it through Yodel.


Keep an eye on the buggers, Chris, or your parcel may end up on the roof! :uneasy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: 25901JFM on September 12, 2017, 10:07:48 am
Andrew you have been listening to that Mick too much, what whispering.


Moi? :angel:

Hattons have dispatched a parcel to me today, I asked for a urgent delivery seeing has it was their error, they are sending it through Yodel.


Keep an eye on the buggers, Chris, or your parcel may end up on the roof! :uneasy:

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html[/url])


I came home from work one day to find a card from Yodel saying that my parcel was in my wheelie bin.  Erm no it's not...  The bin men have emptied the bin!!!  Our bin only sits outside on bin collection day.  Parcel ended up being squashed by the household waste collection lorry and taken to landfill...
John
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 10:22:04 am
Andrew you have been listening to that Mick too much, what whispering.


Moi? :angel:

Hattons have dispatched a parcel to me today, I asked for a urgent delivery seeing has it was their error, they are sending it through Yodel.


Keep an eye on the buggers, Chris, or your parcel may end up on the roof! :uneasy:

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328577/Overly-enthusiastic-delivery-man-surprises-customer-leaving-parcel-waiting-ROOF.html[/url])


I came home from work one day to find a card from Yodel saying that my parcel was in my wheelie bin.  Erm no it's not...  The bin men have emptied the bin!!!  Our bin only sits outside on bin collection day.  Parcel ended up being squashed by the household waste collection lorry and taken to landfill...
John


 :doh:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2017, 10:37:04 am
Keeping my fingers crossed then but they are usually ok with my delivery and fortunately my bins are round the back of the house.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2017, 09:43:37 pm
Well good news with my parcel delivery's today 2 out of 3 is not bad. Yodel did ok, new router care of Virgin Media and correct Point care of Hattons. I have now installed the new point in position, feed wires soldered at the toe end and I have even soldered a wire to the frog ready to connect to the hex juicer. I fitted the wire after installing the point, I simply drilled a small hole between the V. I Then tinned the v and the wire then pushed the wire through the hole and soldered it to the rail, it just needs connecting below the baseboard. I have also painted the side of the switch rail has a preventive measure with some rust colour enamel paint, like I said its in a awkward place so while I can get, its better to do it now not later.
First pic the old point....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917213347.jpeg)
the new Code 80 live frog in place.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917213550.jpeg)

A pic of the point showing the painted switch rail.......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917213958.jpeg)

I had a couple of my steam loco's that had a problem with the other curved point leading into the station, that was from a long curve in the cutting and making a smooth transition from the curve to the point seemed to have helped a lot, painting the rail helped further. I just need the other parcel to arrive with the catches then I can fit those too the two corner boards.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 10:00:05 pm
As Laurence @Innovationgame (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091)  has stated a problem with frog polarity switching on Seep PM1s that's not something I would do, Chris, but it obviously works with your Cobalts :hmmm:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2017, 10:32:06 pm
Hi Mick, you do leave the end of the rail un-painted where it makes contact with the main rail. By the way this point is fitted with a Peco PL10E point motor, has are all the points in my fiddleyard, I did not throw them away, most of the points are insul frog. I found that with some of my 0-6-0 loco's and the Class47 diesel I was having a problem, it was on my posts around 38/39/40. That was on a curve leading into the station from a cutting. I have just taken a few pics now of that section while it is in pieces with the 4F too, you can see the curved point in the pics, the one I had problems with. I have painted the rail has a preventive measure, it might have been ok....... First the 4F in the cutting.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917222339.jpeg)
from under the road bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917222531.jpeg)
over the point and under the road bridge....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917222833.jpeg)
another pic of the train going through the cutting on the approach to the station.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-120917223109.jpeg)




Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 13, 2017, 04:44:34 am
Smashing pics, Chris, especially at track level.
Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on September 13, 2017, 05:03:59 am
Good photos, Chris!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 13, 2017, 07:21:40 am
Great photos Chris.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2017, 07:40:11 am
Excellent photos., Chris. The trains and scenery look very realistic.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 13, 2017, 07:51:11 am
Excellent photos Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 03:34:31 pm
Thanks for the kind comments everyone, more good news the suitcase catches have arrived today from Station Road Baseboards so I can fit them to the baseboards tonight. I might take some more pics of the other two boards before I connect them, getting that nice low angle for some shots is good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 08:20:07 pm
A few more pics tonight of the viaduct section, trains coming through the tunnel from the fiddle yard and heading towards the cutting and the station. First is 4MT 80119 with a small passenger train coming out of the tunnel.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917200313.jpeg)

Here we have a jinty 47394 with the engineers coach pasing the other way.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917200840.jpeg)
Here we have 80119 heading towards the road bridge and the cutting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917201143.jpeg)
80119 from under the road bridge at track level.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917201355.jpeg)
A view of the viaduct and small works.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917201616.jpeg)
Another view of the works and viaduct.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917201821.jpeg)

Taking these pics helps,especially from some different angles, you spot things you have missed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on September 13, 2017, 08:26:50 pm
I notice that 80119 seems to get everywhere these days!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 08:33:12 pm
Hi Laurence welcome back, yes 80119 is one of my best runners, I intend to re-number it some time in the future to one used locally.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2017, 09:11:11 pm
Many thanks, Chris, for another excellent set of realistic photos.

It was good to see the horse box, from me, in the earlier set.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 09:35:50 pm
Thanks Chris, do not forget the trees you kindly gave me......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2017, 09:42:31 pm
Ah, yes. I thought one or two looked familiar. I still have far too many spare trees of various types and sizes. I will only use a few more.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 09:58:46 pm
Hi Chris I cut one of the weeping willows you sent me up, I used it to make some tall weeds near the factory. I painted the tops with yellow paint, I think it looks effective, sometimes you can get away with a impression with n-gauge.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on September 14, 2017, 11:08:41 am
Thanks for the great photo's Chris, the track level shots are excellent... it will only be 800064 and 80048 that will be appearing in Perthshire for now - though I have a duplicate of 80064 that is not yet DCC not sure what I will do with it, most likely sell it to get a DCC ready one of a different running number
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 14, 2017, 08:05:11 pm
Hi there everyone, assembling the boards back and hoping to fit the catches tonight.I might even wire the point frog to the hex juicer, it just means moving stuff so I can get under the boards, the two fiddle yard boards are the only ones that are not verymobile.

" I still have far too many spare trees of various types and sizes. I will only use a few more."

Chris, you can never have enough trees, looking at my pics I have already seen where a few more can be placed.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 14, 2017, 09:04:02 pm
Hello again, catches fitted now,the right angle ones work a treat, here is a pic plus a couple of pics of the town board which covers the corner tunnel. Quite a few buildings needed here, some might need scratch building, not sure how I am going to go about it. I still have a lot more work on the station board/goods yard, set up the uncouplers, fit signals and station canopy's etc, plenty to do this winter.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-140917210017.jpeg)

here are the pics of the removable cover over the tunnel, I plan to build a town on the top.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-140917210222.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-140917210338.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 15, 2017, 03:58:56 pm
Your layout is much larger than mine, Chris, and trees are more common in Lancashire than in North Cornwall. I'm sure I will have some more trees of varying types and sizes to send you, later. To make them look different try spraypainnting the foliage and, for some, adding grass scatter before the paint dries.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 15, 2017, 09:21:42 pm
trees are more common in Lancashire than in North Cornwall.

Wot? You have upper class trees in Cornwall? ;)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Maurits71 on September 16, 2017, 08:36:21 am
 :-[ costed an hour to catch up with your progress, I am impressed with the progress so far, with reference to the point painting part , I assume that you have done this to avoid a short cut ?. I f that's the case it's also advisable to check your B2B's
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2017, 09:21:58 am
Thank you Maurits yes I remember buying a btb gauge but could not find much wrong the loco's in question apart from the class 47 were new.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 21, 2017, 10:06:53 pm
Some good and bad news tonight, good news: my class 47 now runs perfect over the point in the fiddle yard, not stuttering or shorting anymore. So the live frog point along with the painted side rail has solved the problem, I have not even connected the live frog wire to the hex juicer yet. That should make it even more reliable, the bad news: I made two short video's showing it going round and my stupid phone made them upside down, if I play it with vlc it sorts one of them and the other ends up on its side. So no idea what caused that, made lots of videos before with the phone. Probably a update on the phone which has made things worse, thats usually the case nowadays. Not sure if I transferred it to youtube if that would sort it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 22, 2017, 09:11:39 am
Glad the electrofrog has solved the problem, Chris, but I'm deffo too old to stand on my head so will have to wait until you're solved the vid riddle.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 23, 2017, 09:59:41 pm
Well tonight I have been working on the Metcalfe station platform canopy's, just a warning they are a bit fiddly, just has well I have small hands. I think I will buy some more for the other platform, just need to check my dimensions, I made the platforms the same width has some old plastic platforms from a old layout, bit late now. Here is a pic showing the leg and beam unit now assembled.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-230917215915.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 23, 2017, 10:06:42 pm
Looks to be a good job Chris and yes, I agree that those canopies are indeed a bit fiddly.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 23, 2017, 10:21:31 pm
And the class 47 ventures forth! :claphappy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 09:59:45 am
Very nice work, Chris. I guess it's too late to slightly shorten the beams to enable the supports to be less close to the platform edge? However, once the roof is on, I doubt that will be very noticeable anyway.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2017, 11:13:33 am
Thanks for the comments,yes Chris that is what worries me a bit near the edge,I will have to find my measuring guide.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2017, 08:58:56 pm
Hi everyone, I have just found my guide, the nearest building  etc should be 15mm from the centre of the track. Trying to measure with a steel ruler its borderline, so I will just about get away with it, lucky the layouts will not be moving out of my loft.
Back to some more work on the canopy's, pics to follow......



Got this wrong folks see later post
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 09:01:32 pm
That's good news, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2017, 10:32:42 pm
I always find this useful for dimensions................

http://www.elginmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/2010/articles/advice/standard-railway-modelling-dimmensions.html (http://www.elginmodelrailwayclub.co.uk/2010/articles/advice/standard-railway-modelling-dimmensions.html)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2017, 11:58:30 pm
Thanks mick thatís similar to the one I have,have that one somewhere on computer, where though.  ???
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 25, 2017, 09:56:55 pm
I need to have a re think, I have got the measurements wrong, it needs to be 12.89mm or a min of 12.37 from the nearest fixture on the platform to the edge of said platform.The 15mm is the measurement to a bridge pier from the centre of the track. The Metcalfe Canopy kit with its pair of supports is unsuitable for my island platforms, I need a canopy with a  central support has in the pic on the guide Mick has provided. I will use this kit on the wide section of platform where some buildings are going, it will also provide some cover for passengers using the footbridge. Well all passengers use the footbridge because the booking office is on the level above.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 26, 2017, 10:12:25 pm
Well I have found out that Ratio kit's 225 or 208 which are both canopy kits, I prefer the 208 one it has a pitched roof. My local model shop had neither in stock, Hattons ( they would probably have sent me the wrong one anyway) were shut for stocktaking, Gaugemaster only had 225. In the end Cheletnham had 1 x 208 so I ordered that plus another coal wagon, you can never have enough coal wagons in the northwest, to make the order worth the postage. My local model shop has also ordered some for me, probably at least next week, so we shall see how we get on.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 26, 2017, 10:15:24 pm
Good news, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 26, 2017, 10:27:41 pm
For whatever reason, Ratio kits seem to be in short supply at shows in this area whereas Metcalfe seem to be on every trade stand, so I'm not sure if you'd find any at Wigan this weekend, Chris :hmmm:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2017, 11:02:31 am
Yes that's what I thought Mick, I would have wasted another week. I like to support my local model shop,he is a very helpfully guy,swaps things etc. Always handy when you buy something and then find out you already have one.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 27, 2017, 11:51:52 am
Always handy when you buy something and then find out you already have one.

Something I'm very guilty of :-[
DavieB used to think I was collecting Peco double tunnel mouths and it got so bad that when we met at shows I'd tell him not to let me buy any :-[
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on September 27, 2017, 12:33:43 pm
Hi Lil Chris,

After looking at them both, I also prefer the 208 canopy to the 225 and looking forward to seeing them on the layout.

Another reason for posting is to say great that you support your local model shop. I try to but, although he does some N gauge, there's no Continental, so I look at his train selection and then come back with a small tin of Humbrol paint. The owner probably thinks I'm mad.

Beating around the bush and sorry for the small thread hijack but it comes to my slightly embarrassing problem, which NPN has highlighted. Here goes....I'll stand up now and say 'My name's Weave and I'm a tunnel mouth collector too'.

I don't know why. I've got about 30 of them (Peco + others). Non are on any layouts. They get put and lost in different boxes, then I need one, can't find it, buy another one (2). Total madness.

Should have PMed NPN but feel better now it's out in the open so thank you for involuntarily helping me.

I'll shut up now.

Layout's looking great. Looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. I'm off sick from work and on medication so apologies for my behaviour.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2017, 12:36:30 pm
I also have a small collection of surplus tunnel mouths from various brands and have, actually, only used one!

I wish you a speedy recovery Chris (Weave).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on September 27, 2017, 12:40:38 pm
I feel some sort of support group coming on!

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on September 27, 2017, 01:55:42 pm
I'm a bit like it with Peco platform edging strips. I've got quite a lot scattered around which I can never find when I need one so I buy another pack thus increasing my collection.
Help please!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 27, 2017, 02:48:01 pm
Oh, dearie me.
What is it about tunnel mouths? Are they so forgettable? Are our minds really so addled we constantly think "must get some tunnel mouths as I know I need them"?
I reckon Weave is right. A support group is required :help:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2017, 04:47:07 pm
I must admit i have a few tunnel mouths,some came with some walling i bought. The trouble is you look at different layouts and no matter where it is located the majority have Peco tunnel mouths,so there is a desire on my part for something different, that's my excuse anyway.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2017, 04:50:22 pm
I must admit i have a few tunnel mouths,some came with some walling i bought. The trouble is you look at different layouts and no matter where it is located the majority have Peco tunnel mouths,so there is a desire on my part for something different, that's my excuse anyway.

Exactly, Chris. They why I, alter, bought some non-Peco ones.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2017, 09:24:46 pm
Just looking at my layout, I managed to cut the use of tunnels, I had too many on the old layout.If i remember I had about 6 tunnel portals, mostly for where the lines went off the scenic section to the fiddle yard board. On this layout I have one tunnel ( Peco) from the viaduct to the fiddle yard, the other side I have used a road bridge placed before the end of the scenic board. The big tunnel under the town is masked by a bridge type entrance to the tunnel like at Bury Lancs, now the East Lancashire railway. I have Peco tunnel mouths at the other side ,a single and a double where the track goes over the embankment. So somewhere I have a collection of tunnel mouths.........maybe I can swap them for something with Mick....he...he......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 28, 2017, 08:05:02 pm
Today my parcel arrived from Cheltenham models, good service. So I now have a station canopy I can make a start on plus a Peco wagon to add to my collection.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-280917200245.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 28, 2017, 09:16:28 pm
Wot - no tunnel portals? ;) ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: weave on September 28, 2017, 09:26:54 pm
STOP IT. We'll be put away. And all I want to do next month is watch the God Damn World Series!

 :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on September 29, 2017, 08:37:57 pm
STOP IT. We'll be put away. And all I want to do next month is watch the God Damn World Series!

 :beers:

World Portal Series?  :confused1:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on September 30, 2017, 08:48:55 pm
Well tonight after a nice visit to the Wigan show today, I decided to tidy my loft a touch. Yes I know how do I find time, but when you buy some more d&g couplings and you think I will put them with the others I bought but you can not find them, its time something was done. So a bit of organising, this time boxes with labels on, plus throw some rubbish out while I was at it, I found them by the way....phew.....I also found a old platform canopy, slightly broken but could be repaired.



PS I did not buy anymore tunnel portals, not sure about Mick though.......lol
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2017, 09:55:08 pm
Portals? PORTALS!?
Damn - where did this pair come from? :doh:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on October 01, 2017, 08:42:04 pm
Portals? PORTALS!?
Damn - where did this pair come from? :doh:

Out of a tunnel?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on October 01, 2017, 09:14:49 pm
I have just realised where the portals have come from  - the Cant Cove (Penmayne) thread.   :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 01, 2017, 09:43:35 pm
Well back to normal now, more work on the Station Canopy, I painted some parts last night using Humbrol enamel,still not completely dry but I have made a start on assembling the supports. I have assembled the roof and painted it matt black enamel, and the roof window frames a cream colour, I think the black needs toning down a touch. I seem to remember the lower part of the supports might have been painted crimson, maybe someone can advise on that. This station is based on Bury/Lancashire ex East lancs railway/L& Y railway and LMS and of course eventually BR.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 01, 2017, 10:24:57 pm
This site might give you some clues, Chris.................

http://www.stationcolours.info/index.php?p=1_11_MODEL-BUILDINGS (http://www.stationcolours.info/index.php?p=1_11_MODEL-BUILDINGS)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 02, 2017, 09:05:18 pm
Thanks for that Mick, think I will stick with BR colour scheme.

Mick some nice diesel's on this link for Bury station.
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/bury_bolton_street/index50.shtml (http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/bury_bolton_street/index50.shtml)

Wow just found a very imformative site......https://www.railscot.co.uk/ (https://www.railscot.co.uk/)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on October 02, 2017, 09:23:36 pm
Strewth - what sort of train on the East Lancs would need 6600hp from Napiers? :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 02, 2017, 09:37:53 pm
Thought you might like those two Mick, just added another link here it is again, this site seems to have allsorts of pics recent and old.
https://www.railscot.co.uk (https://www.railscot.co.uk)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on October 03, 2017, 11:11:50 am
Thanks for the updates Chris, I too try to support the local model shops, sadly the small treasure trove of a shop that existed in Dunfermline has now closed and my nearest one is Harburn Hobbies, but my partner's daughter has just started uni in Edinburgh, so I will be much more amenable to go through & visit (not on a Sunday though!)

I too suffer from buying more of the same thing because I can't recall where I have put the ones I had bought earlier... almost made that mistake with the Irongorge bridge, but finally found it before I went and got another.

Hope the Wigan show was a good one.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2017, 09:32:13 pm
I decided to do some serious plastic buildings last nigt has I was in the mood for it. I could not believe it when after my precision poly cement run out, I pulled out a spare(in a little box) and when I tried to use it found there was no glue in it. I tried using Roket plastic glue but I that seems to have no holding power, then I tried some ema plastic weld, not keen using it for the station canopy. I went back to my model shop today my other models have not yet arrived, which is no big deal and he filled up the empty precision cement for me with Revell, because  he still did not have any Humbrol precision in stock.

I have decided where the canopy's are going more or less, I am going to use the Metcalfe one on the up platform in front of the platform buildings where the platform is wider then a long Ratio one after it. I dropped a clog with the down island platform, I made it too narrow to have a waiting room but I am not ripping up the station plan now so I will have to compromise. Looking on some Photos of the old Bury station it had a canopy like the Metcalfe one so thats good, they had a buildings on the other platform too which is bad, like I said too late now too change.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2017, 10:11:55 pm
Well I have been fixing the two 208 canopys I have, one is a old one from the 80's which needed repairing and some more loving care. The red was slightly a different shade, so that's been sorted, plus a suport has been repaired. The roofs are a different colour, I think the old when looks better even though I have toned it down a touch, let me know what you think.You can see the Metcalfe one on the right.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-051017220752.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-051017221057.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on October 05, 2017, 11:22:07 pm
I have been lookinng at the island platform, and it may be possible to widen it by moving the track towards the wall. The wall is quite thick, if I remove it and perhaps use some thiner type of walling I could possibly gain between 20-25mm on the platform. I would only have to move the one track plus the two points but that is not too bad, having a think about it.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 06, 2017, 07:35:48 am
That sounds like a very good solution, Chris.
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Post by: weave on October 06, 2017, 08:07:00 am
Hi Lil Chris,

Apologies for my flued up, confused mind but do you want to make the island platform wider because you prefer the Metcalfe canopy or the Ratio ones are too big as well or am I, probably, talking rubbish?

I like the way you say moving one track and two points isn't too bad, let alone replacing the wall and actually widening the platform!

Sounds like a nightmare to me. I should of called my layout Lazyo not Izaro.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 06, 2017, 10:28:23 am
Thanks Chris and Weave,i want the island platform a touch wider so i can have a small waiting room on the platform,at the moment there would be no facilities for the passengers.I will still use the central support canopy,that's not a problem. Also at Bury the track and platform were very near to the wall and the platform was used for dual direction,with a signal mounted on the wall.That is something I can not do,I do not have room for the crossover before the curve nessassated by my compressed layout.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 07, 2017, 08:36:31 pm
Well after looking under the base board, you do tend to forget whats under there, the two point motors are already has near has can be to the framework also wires running along the frame so it is not practical to move the track over. Too much re wiring and the trying to fit the point motors so I have decided to leave well alone, maybe next time I will give a bit more thought to the planning process, back to working on the station canopy's.
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Post by: dannyboy on October 07, 2017, 10:36:37 pm
maybe next time I will give a bit more thought to the planning process,

I still have not got my track permanently fixed on 'New Averingcliffe' and, I don't know about others, but the number of times I have thought, after doing something, that it could have been done in a different and better way, so then ended up re-doing that particular bit  :doh:. At the moment, I am altering my control board wiring, (again!). Actually, come to think of it, it is not all my fault, some of the ideas emanating from this forum are to blame!  ;)

However, back to lil chris - I like what I am seeing Chris.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Innovationgame on October 08, 2017, 06:35:02 am
Too much re wiring and the trying to fit the point motors so I have decided to leave well alone, maybe next time I will give a bit more thought to the planning process, back to working on the station canopy's.
Yes, Chris, it's easy to be wise after the event.  Had I realised some of the practical issues before I planned my layout, I would have done things slightly differently.  However, like you, I am stuck with what I have got.  At some distant future date, I may take it all up and start again but, for now, I intend to soldier on.  I'm sure you'll find a workaround to the issue.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 15, 2017, 08:30:22 pm
Well I am stuck at the moment waiting for the canopy's I have ordered from my local shop, they have still not arrived yet. I have been updating my railway diary, I had got a bit behind with it. The idea was to right down any problems with the answers to the said problems for future reference. Also make note of any stock I purchase, lucky I write stuff on this forum.....or I would have been stuckkkkkk.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 15, 2017, 10:21:51 pm
lucky I write stuff on this forum.....or I would have been stuckkkkkk.

Bit like the 'k' button on your keyboard ;D
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Post by: lil chris on October 16, 2017, 09:19:09 pm
Well I have nearly finished the Metcalfe Canopy, I am thinking of placing that in front of the buildings on the wide platform. If not there the other side of the footbridge,I have built it so I will use it somewhere. A couple of pics, it still needs some ridge tiles yet.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-161017211614.jpeg)

another pic
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-161017211816.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2017, 09:22:55 pm
That looks excellent, Chris.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 16, 2017, 09:29:44 pm
That looks excellent, Chris.
  :hellosign: seconded nice work Chris  :thumbsup:
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 19, 2017, 08:00:00 pm
Well I am still waiting for my models from my local shop, he is so apologetic he gave me this nice storage box. very nice it is too, if anyone knows where you can buy them please let me know. I also bought a box of GF weathered 16t mineral wagons, very nice if a touch expensive.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-191017195518.jpeg)
and the nice storage box.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-191017195703.jpeg)

Tonight I am planning on making some coal loads for the wagons, the plan is to make them easy to remove, I bought some balsa wood especially for the purpose today. Pics to  follow.....

Ps my shop(The Loco Shed, Whitefield, Manchester) has another two of these boxes full of stock unfortunately for me it is all GWR stock, looks very nice too, I should have taken a pic to show you.
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Post by: Delboy on October 19, 2017, 08:06:44 pm
Hi Chris
I bought the same set a couple of weeks ago
Lovely wagons but so light weight that you canít couple them without the ďhand of GodĒ coming into play
Dennis.
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Post by: lil chris on October 19, 2017, 08:59:28 pm
Thanks Dennis, I am planning on using some d & g couplings in the future. Hopefully that will make things easier once I have mastered how to make them and set them up.

A couple of pics on my loads for the wagons. here is how I make them.....(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-191017205426.jpeg)
in this pic you can see the shaped block on the bottom which allows you to press on one end to remove the load easily.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-191017205651.jpeg)

this last pic shows the loads painted black ready for the coal load.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/1784-191017205901.jpeg)
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Post by: dannyboy on October 19, 2017, 09:58:52 pm
That stock box looks like the ones that Jon does - JB Models. He usually has some listed on ebay.

This the type of thing -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Plastic-Storage-Box-Foam-Tray-BLUE-113-/272775082575?hash=item3f82a9724f:g:-0AAAOxyhXRTNLV9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Plastic-Storage-Box-Foam-Tray-BLUE-113-/272775082575?hash=item3f82a9724f:g:-0AAAOxyhXRTNLV9)

He will also sell the blue boxes without the foam inserts.  Drop Jon an email, he is a very accommodating bloke. Apparently he is away for a few days.
@lil chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 20, 2017, 07:49:25 am
Nice looking wagons Chris. The storage box looks good too.  :thankyousign: to dannyboy for the link.
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Post by: Delboy on October 20, 2017, 12:06:19 pm
Hi Chris,
I am also looking at DG couplings as an option. I do have some Dapol Easi-shunt couplings to try first though.
Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2017, 10:36:44 pm
Well here are a couple of pics of my finished removable coal loads, I just need to weather the wagons now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/1784-211017223601.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on October 21, 2017, 10:48:34 pm
Thanks Dennis, Neil off ( Thanks Neil) this site gave me a Dapol gauge for the easi shunt couplings. I might be able to modify that has a height gauge for the D&G couplings. I am still waiting for my models from my local shop, but some good news the kits arrived Friday afternoon. I did not have time today but I will collect them on Tuesday when the shop re -opens. I have plenty to do, not sure where to start to be honest, signals for the station wiring and fitting, station buildings and the canopy's. Then there is plenty of weathering to do and also fit couplings, I have some bits bought from n-brass at the wigan show for my Union Mills 3 F, Uncoupling magnets need wiring up,the list goes on. I better watch my electric bill this winter  in this loft.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 22, 2017, 07:21:22 am
The coal loads look very good, Chris.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 22, 2017, 09:17:53 am
The coal loads look very good, Chris.

Agreed. It also reminds me I must beg a lump of coal off my sister who has a real coal fire in her home.
Then I can vent my spleen on it with a hammer whenever the urge takes me >:D
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Post by: Bealman on October 22, 2017, 09:26:08 am
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
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Post by: weave on October 22, 2017, 09:30:24 am
Hi Chris,

Agreed all looking good. I don't have many wagons but they seem to be breeding. I certainly don't have any loads yet so am taking in all the advice on this lovely Forum that I can get.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. NPN, I've felt like that about my sister many times but you just have to step away and take deep breaths  :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on October 22, 2017, 11:42:33 am
It also reminds me I must beg a lump of coal off my sister who has a real coal fire in her home.
Then I can vent my spleen on it with a hammer whenever the urge takes me >:D
Another very good use for coal is to keep prepared potatoes white.  After peeling, put them in a pan of water with a small piece of coal and you can keep them until the next day, as good as new.  Sorry to go off topic.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 25, 2017, 08:37:56 pm
At last one of the kits I ordered has arrived, still waiting for another though. So I have made a start on the kit, assembling the roof, I was planning on extending one with half from the second kit so that is on hold. I have made a cover for over the main part of the station board, it will also come in handy to use has a work bench when I start spray painting, has long as I do not put too much weight on it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/1784-251017203331.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 25, 2017, 08:57:01 pm
Thanks for the update, Chris. the raised area is a very good idea. I recommend using an old shoebox (or a larger box with a lid) for spraypainting in as the mist will then be confined and you can put a lid on it after spraypainting. I use very good quality sticky transparent tape (so that the 'sticky' goes not come off or pull the paint off an already spraypainted side) to lightly hold models in place within the box. You can also use a raised small box fixed, similarly, within the larger box, if you need the model to be elevated for spraypainting. The secret is to hold the aerosol at a good distance so that the paint falls as a mist. (Every time I forget that, I get too much paint on the model!) Also use a face mask while spraying then carry the box with lid to a well-aired warm, dust-free area then leave the contents to dry, without the lid. My apologies if all of the above is second nature.
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Post by: lil chris on October 25, 2017, 10:43:30 pm
Thanks Chris, some good advice for anyone else who reads this thread, I have done a fair bit of spray painting with cans in my time mainly cars. I have two air brushes and  small compressor, one brush I have is a old Badger double action but I have bought a trigger double action Neo air brush which is easier to use. After a bit of messing I have it set up so I can swap air brushes if required with quick release ends on the air pipe. I have a card board box to use has a spray booth with a small turntable and I have recently bought some Tamiya masking tape which I believe is very good.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 26, 2017, 11:39:33 am
My apologies, Chris. I have two spare, unpainted (brown and grey) Peco steel mineral wagons which you could spraypaint, then, and add coal loads for your mineral train. Yes, the Tamiya masking tape is excellent for lining work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on October 29, 2017, 10:44:51 pm
Tonight I have made a start on weathering a couple of wagons. I have started with a wash over the bodies and I have also painted the frames with frame dirt using brushes. I read a article in a magazine about some new angled flat brushes from Expo which are good for weathering especially dry brushing. Well I have bought a set of cheap brushes from "The Range", and I have trimmed a few of these to a angle with the scissors, hopefully these will be has good. Another tip is wash them after with soapy water but do not use washing up liquid because of some of the additives in it for making the dishes shiny and your hands soft. You know the advert "Hands that do Dishes.........."
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/1784-291017224416.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on October 30, 2017, 06:27:28 am
The Range is quite good for picking up craft things and much cheaper than Hobbycraft.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 02, 2017, 09:52:16 pm
More work on the two cattle trucks,I have weathered them by hand rather than my airbrush. I think they look ok comments welcome, I have also started work on more station canopys.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/1784-021117214938.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 02, 2017, 09:57:19 pm
 :hellosign:  Nice weathering Chris, looking good
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 03, 2017, 07:06:53 am
The wagons look good and the stantions are coming on too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 03, 2017, 07:32:26 am
 Wagons and canopies looking good Chris.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2017, 07:45:13 am
Those wagons look good Chris.
Iím no fan of airbrushing as, to me, it often makes waathering look too tidy. I prefer tge messy real look.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 03, 2017, 09:54:16 am
All is looking good, Chris, although maybe the cattle trucks could do with some filth that has run out of them owing to what they carry (sorry, folks :sick2:)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 03, 2017, 10:17:52 am
I agree, weathering as demonstrated superbly on Wrenton:
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg472165#msg472165 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg472165#msg472165)

Is best done with paintbrushes; at least on N Scale goods stock.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: rogerdB on November 03, 2017, 11:14:11 am
All is looking good, Chris, although maybe the cattle trucks could do with some filth that has run out of them owing to what they carry (sorry, folks :sick2:)

I'm getting ready to tackle a set of three Bachmann factory weathered (ie not very convincingly weathered!) cattle trucks for Wrenton. A hunt on Google images produces lots of pics of models and very few of the real thing in working condition. But the photos I found show surprisingly little evidence of the aforementioned filth. In addition to the online photos there are a couple of pics in Robert Hendry's book "British Railway Wagons in Colour", a useful book to have when painting wagons. And neither of those photos show the stains that one would assume to have been there. Perhaps cleaning standards were higher than we suppose because the vehicles are carrying livestock?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 04, 2017, 06:32:24 pm
Hi everyone,thanks for the comments.I based my weathering of the cattle wagons on a article in Model Rail magazine. The white bits showing represent the lime that was used to clean the wagons,there was no mention of cow **** deposits. Thanks for clarifying that Rodger,I like the work done  on your layout including your weathering.I have now bought George Dents new book ďWeathering for Railway ModelersĒ another good read.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: rogerdB on November 04, 2017, 07:01:58 pm
The white bits showing represent the lime that was used to clean the wagons,there was no mention of cow **** deposits.

Hi Chris - I think the use of lime had stopped by the 1930s so it's not really right for later periods. But it's a nice subtle touch!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on November 05, 2017, 05:56:34 pm
Great updates Chris, making good progress with the canopies, the weathering looks good, as do the coal loads
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 05, 2017, 11:17:35 pm
Hi everyone, more work tonight painting the canopy supports. Then I decided to have a go at programing, it is so frustrating when my Powercab says can not read cv even after numerous attempts at cleaning my short length of program track, and the loco's run ok on it. Anyway I decided to try connecting JMRI Decoder Pro, I seemed to be having problems with that has well. I looked up the error message  then all of a sudden it started working  or I think it is for a while , it said writing cv**,then I started getting time out errors.Hope fully I have programmed the Union Mills 3F because that was the one I could not get to run smooth.Maybe a longer USB cable to the computer so I can connect it round the back might give a more reliable connection.

After I posted this I found a loose wire in the track connection plug to the panel, this would explain why the Powercab could not read cv's. Also after changing anything in decoder pro you have to re load the program, which may explain why it started to work after a while. After reading the manual I found online I might give it another go tomorrow night.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on November 06, 2017, 05:45:37 am
Thanks Chris, you have answered a question I have had for a while... are Union Mills loco's suitable for DCC.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 06, 2017, 06:40:23 am
It is frustrating when computers (that's what a DCC system is) play up, but there's usually a logical, but often obscure, reason for it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 06, 2017, 08:31:30 am
Glad that you were able to solve at least some of the problems, Chris. Faulty wiring seems to be a common problem. When all the wiring is finished at Cant Cove, a fault-finding test session will be the first priority after a thorough track cleaning.

Yes, Andrew, Union Mills locos. can be DCC-fitted (I checked with Douglas, at Wickness some time ago) but you may have to mill out space in the loco's. tender to fit the DCC chip).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 06, 2017, 10:00:21 am
Yes Andrew I have fitted a ct chip which is very small in the tender above the motor.i had to mill out some metal in the tender but not much.Union mills has changed motors so I had a bit of trouble getting it to run smooth but tuning on decoder pro has helped.i nearly changed the chip for a Lenz but ct gives good motor control.i have bought some bits from n brass,I intend to do some detailing on the loco soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 06, 2017, 10:20:04 pm
Hi everyone, I seem to have had some success with the programing with JMRI Decoder,unfortunately no luck with my Powercab, it will not read any loco's no idea why. Cleaned the loco's and the track and I have even rewired the track, new wire and soldered connections with no luck its not made any difference. At least de-coder Pro seems to be working, just about getting my head round how it works. My Union Mills 3f is definitely running better and my old converted GF 4f ,I can see the improvement with its basic Digitrax DZ125. Who needs the Powercab for programming anyway now JMRI is running, its a mystery its a mystery....I feel a song coming on......You can't beat 80's music.....
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 08, 2017, 12:57:11 pm
Good to read of the progress made, Chris. I hope you'll be able to sort out all the DCC problems, soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 09, 2017, 11:19:12 am
Well my Powercab and reading cv's, for a moment last night a loco moved it then told me the code for the make of chip, but then went back to "Can Not Read CV". Fortunately Decoder pro seems to be working, it takes a long time but I have seen a definate improvement in the  loco control which makes it worth the wait.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 09, 2017, 05:19:30 pm
Good news, Chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 14, 2017, 10:24:54 pm
Well I have spent a lot of time these last few days learning my way around JMRI Decoder pro, I am slowly getting there. After advice given on this forum I removed the ZTC 262 chip from the 3F Jinty tonight and replaced it with a CT DCX76z. This was a soldering job because of problems when I first bought the Jinty. It did not run very well and subsequently I ended up hard wiring a chip in. The only one I had at the time was the ztc bought from a show, a mistake because it was a bit rubbish.
I am presently trying to program the chip with JMRI,also My Powercab still refuses to read any cv's on my program track so lucky I now have JMRI decoder working.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 15, 2017, 08:11:49 am
I will be interested to hear your results once you get the new chip programmed.  I suspect some of my problems may be chip related.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 15, 2017, 07:01:16 pm
Well a bit of a mess up last night,while tuning my locos I decided to try and improve my Jinty 3f. Well I had hardwired a decoder in it unfortunately not a good one,so I installed a ct chip last night. Unfortunately I had my wrong head on and rushed the job and wired it the wrong way round. Subject to further testing I think itís knackered so I am now waiting for another decoder hopefully arriving tomorrow. Lesson learned from this is do not rush take your time and do the job properly.




Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 15, 2017, 07:28:41 pm
Well a bit of a mess up last night,while tuning my locos I decided to try and improve my Jinty 3f. Well I had hardwired a decoder in it unfortunately not a good one,so I installed a ct chip last night. Unfortunately I had my wrong head on and rushed the job and wired it the wrong way round. Subject to further testing I think itís knackered so I am now waiting for another decoder hopefully arriving tomorrow. Lesson learned from this is do not rush take your time and do the job properly.
I used to be a terror for rushing and then regretting it at my leisure. Iíve learned to (and made myself) take things slower now and itís a big improvement. Iíve also learned (the hard way) not to attempt things when Iím tired - again, I always end up regretting it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 15, 2017, 08:31:14 pm
It's also my excuse for glacial progress :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on November 15, 2017, 09:13:29 pm
I am with NPN - why rush when, even standing still, you are moving at nearly 1000 miles an hour. (Courtesy of t'internet).  :beers:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 15, 2017, 10:37:44 pm
After the trauma of last night I decided to do some more work on the station, The platform needs extending so I can place the station building so it does not obstruct the canopy's. The idea also is the siding track behind can be used for a parcels train for unloading onto the platform, its just long enough for two coaches, or a few vans. I have some Peco brick edging's in the draw,I have made a start on painting them ready for installation. I have also removed some of the ground works to make way for them,back to Decoder pro tomorrow night, if the parcel comes that is.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1784-151117223708.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 16, 2017, 06:57:12 am
I am with NPN - why rush when, even standing still, you are moving at nearly 1000 miles an hour. (Courtesy of t'internet).  :beers:
In the UK, about 600 mph relative to the centre of the Earth, but relative to the Sun, its a lot faster, about 60,000 mph  :sleep:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2017, 09:42:02 am
Sun? Whassat? ???
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 16, 2017, 08:44:58 pm
Well I am chuffed tonight, I stripped my Powercab down and reinserted the eprom chip back in its socket. My Powercab is now fully working in Program Track mode which is good news. I should now be able to program my loco's properly with JMRI Decoder pro and hopefully see a proper improvement in my locos. So Back to some soldering tonight, new ct chip to go in my Jinty.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 16, 2017, 11:15:27 pm
More good news is that even though my Powercab could not read cv's it seems that Decoder Pro was in fact working. I started tonight with my Union Mills which I thought had improved its running. I read the decoder first with Decoder Pro on some of the pages and some of the default settings had been changed in line with my written sheet. So I did not imagine better running it actually happened, I was beginning to doubt my sanity after the last few days.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 17, 2017, 11:12:23 am
I often go insane using DC so I certainly don't need DCC to send me completely over the edge
or is it too late?

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 17, 2017, 06:14:05 pm
More good news is that even though my Powercab could not read cv's it seems that Decoder Pro was in fact working. I started tonight with my Union Mills which I thought had improved its running. I read the decoder first with Decoder Pro on some of the pages and some of the default settings had been changed in line with my written sheet. So I did not imagine better running it actually happened, I was beginning to doubt my sanity after the last few days.
The only thing my Gaugemaster Prodigy Advance will read is the Loco ID and then only on the program track, so I think you're doing OK.  I find that, with most locos, you know when the decoder has successfully received a program instruction because it gives a little jump when the instruction is received.  The other technique is to move the loco a little on the throttle after sending the instruction.  If it moves, it probably received the instruction.  If not, there was probably poor wheel contact so the loco should be moved and the instruction sent again.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: daveg on November 17, 2017, 06:17:11 pm
I often go insane using DC so I certainly don't need DCC to send me completely over the edge
or is it too late?

pRObABLY - BuT YoU'RE nOT ALoNE!  :laugh:

dAVE g
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 17, 2017, 06:40:09 pm
Hi everyone,I nearly bought a Prodigy advance but the reviews on the Powercab were better especally regarding reading decoders etc. The only thing against the system is customer support which seems to be lacking in the uk. I was preparing to buy a sprog if need be but fortunately I have got it working ok. Something I have found out is that some decoders like the CT Elektronik have more motor adjustments that can be made to fine tune them. I have a couple of locoís with Lenz silver mini decoders, and while they run pretty good there is not has much adjustments that can be made for the small motors in N gauge locoís.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 20, 2017, 09:44:46 pm
Well a disastrous week last week and expensive, I fitted a second CT decoder in the Jinty and tested it on the program track, then changed its address. I decided to put some crew inside the cab and that proved to be a costly mistake. Like a idiot after I replaced the body I put it on the track with full voltage and it shorted again.I should have again put it on the program track, must be something to do with the crew I fitted because it did run ok. That loco is proving to be expensive to say the least, I have a Lenz Silver mini decoder in the draw it might end up with that inside. I have also been working on the station platform extension at the back,I have the walls painted and glued in place, I made my own short ramps at the end of the extension. Pic's to follow.
Some other good news a guy has contacted me off the NCE groups and offered me a sprog2 for a good price so I am buying that off him for backup if I have programming problems in the future.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 20, 2017, 11:34:24 pm
A picture of the platform extension, work in progress.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1784-201117233308.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2017, 12:47:43 am
Well tonight has well as the platform extension I have been playing around with the settings on the ct decoder in my Union mills. I have had trouble with it stuttering mainly going forwards, but tonight with Decoder pro I have been trying different settings. Its a long and slow process and takes a bit of time but hopefully worth it, I feel that I am getting there. I will post the settings when I get there, they may be of use to others. I have learned a lot about cv's in the last few days, hopefully I can tune my other loco's from what I have learned, the trouble is all decoders do not use the same cv's so i can reccomend using Decoder Pro.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 21, 2017, 06:46:55 am
Well tonight has well as the platform extension I have been playing around with the settings on the ct decoder in my Union mills. I have had trouble with it stuttering mainly going forwards, but tonight with Decoder pro I have been trying different settings. Its a long and slow process and takes a bit of time but hopefully worth it, I feel that I am getting there. I will post the settings when I get there, they may be of use to others. I have learned a lot about cv's in the last few days, hopefully I can tune my other loco's from what I have learned, the trouble is all decoders do not use the same cv's so i can reccomend using Decoder Pro.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of leeway in the DDC NMRA specification for loco decoders and so, what works on some doesn't on others. For example, most Bachmann decoders don't use CV5 or CV6 for Top voltage and Mid Voltage.  Instead, they have built in speed curves that have to be set up using CV29 and CV25 and the Top speed has to be set via CV66 (forwards) and CV95 (reverse).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 21, 2017, 09:52:21 am
Alternatively you could go DC and just have this strange turny knob on a box that controls things :P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2017, 10:19:24 am
Yes some of the older cheaper decoders you can not fine tune them has well so it pays to pay a bit more for your chips. I have a few old loco's that have been converted to dcc for me by Digitrains, they have been fitted with the old Digitrax Dz125 decoders. I can not fine tune them has well as with other decoders, I like the Lenz decoders they are a improvement on the likes of the Bachmann  and Digitrax decoders, but still a bit expensive.I like the CT decoders for the excellent slowspeed running and they are very small but very delicate.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on November 21, 2017, 06:38:58 pm
Alternatively you could go DC and just have this strange turny knob on a box that controls things :P
But....You can't control several locos and all the points from a single hand held controller, all at the same time.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2017, 07:19:37 pm
Well said Laurence ,It's gobbly gook too Mick I am afraid.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on November 21, 2017, 07:23:59 pm
Alternatively you could go DC and just have this strange turny knob on a box that controls things :P
I like your style  :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 21, 2017, 09:50:49 pm
Yes Martin, you know Mick well. I nearly said he like's playing with his **** but thought better of it. I am not prepared to knock someone if they prefer the old dc way, I got in a right muddle with cab control when I tried it years ago so dcc was a breath of fresh air too me.
Back to tuning my Union Mills, not sure if the motors Colin is using at Union mills now are a improvement for dcc, I think I am getting there.
My model shop has some s/h Kato track for sale, I am thinking of buying a circle just to use has a running in track.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: daveg on November 22, 2017, 06:56:01 am
Well said Laurence ,It's gobbly gook too Mick I am afraid.

... and me!  :confused2:

Dave G
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 22, 2017, 09:45:51 am
What amazes me is some folks have accredited me with the capability to be serious.
Serious! Whassat? :laugh3:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on November 22, 2017, 10:22:28 am
You are serious. As in serious I mean serious.  :P
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 22, 2017, 04:01:25 pm
You are serious. As in serious I mean serious.  :P

ďYou cannot be seriousĒ. I was fortunate (?) enough to be at Wimbledon on court 1 that day. (In the crowd I hasten to add, not actually on the court).
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 22, 2017, 09:09:32 pm
Well I got there in the end, here is a short video of my 3F Jinty now fitted with a Lenz Silver mini + decoder and I managed to fit crew in the cab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8wI0aKjnoQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8wI0aKjnoQ&feature=youtu.be)

The next job is some weathering and I have ordered some fresh numbers, I need decals for the side yet. Back to working on the station platform now while I carry on fine tuning the Union Mills 3F.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 25, 2017, 10:12:03 pm
Well what a job that has been tuning my union mills with CT decoder, I have been at bit all week on and off, plus last week when I did not know if everything was working. I am finally seeing some improvement in running, do not know what I would have done If I had not used JMRI Decoder pro, I think it would have drove me daft. I am at present just reading the cv's back from the decoder checking everything is ok. Just a little more fine tuning I think but its looking good.

My decals/transfers have arrived from Fox transfers, good service from them. The plan is to alter the numbers on some of my loco's to ones used in the area. A couple of them I am changing to Bury shed, also once I have the Union Mills 3f running good I intend to upgrade the loco with a new chimney, lamp irons Coal rails and coal etc. They had some  Johnson 3F  0-6-0's at Trafford park shed so I will renumber her to one of those. I have already ordered new front number plates and shed plates etc. The only 3fs at Bury shed where old  L&Y Aspinall  class 27 loco's. I thought of trying to convert something to one of those but its a bit beyond my skills yet. It would be nice if someone made one of those some day there are a lot of pics of them being used in the East lancashire valley.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2017, 10:20:29 am
I look forward to seeing some pics of your re-numbered locos, Chris.
If you haven't seen it, here's a great site to tell you what was shedded where/when etc......
http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php (http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on November 26, 2017, 01:48:25 pm
I look forward to seeing some pics of your re-numbered locos, Chris.
If you haven't seen it, here's a great site to tell you what was shedded where/when etc......
[url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url] ([url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url])


Thanks for that great reference database. Well useful and an excellent guide to the history of the different regions locos etc.
 :beers:
Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Yet_Another on November 26, 2017, 02:25:26 pm
I look forward to seeing some pics of your re-numbered locos, Chris.
If you haven't seen it, here's a great site to tell you what was shedded where/when etc......
[url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url] ([url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url])


@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) : there is a Knowledge Bank entry for this: 

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8625.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8625.0)

but it's not very obvious. Can it be given a bit more prominence?

(I've had the 'proper' link saved for a while - the tinyurl in the above post isn't helpful IMO)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 26, 2017, 02:42:34 pm
Yes thanks for the links Mick, you gave it me before that's where I verified my loco's from.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2017, 04:08:39 pm
Yes thanks for the links Mick, you gave it me before that's where I verified my loco's from.

Heck Chris. You know what my memory is like :-[ :-[ :-[
(Can you just remind me what it is like please?)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on November 26, 2017, 04:19:56 pm
I look forward to seeing some pics of your re-numbered locos, Chris.
If you haven't seen it, here's a great site to tell you what was shedded where/when etc......
[url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url] ([url]http://www.brdatabase.info/index.php[/url])


@newportnobby ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264[/url]) : there is a Knowledge Bank entry for this: 

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8625.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=8625.0[/url])

but it's not very obvious. Can it be given a bit more prominence?

(I've had the 'proper' link saved for a while - the tinyurl in the above post isn't helpful IMO)


@Yet_Another (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4156)
Not a huge amount I can do. I have amended the link in the above post and also placed it in the Knowledge Bank under 'S' for 'Shed allocations......'
Hope that suffices.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 27, 2017, 10:44:38 pm
Well some research tonight, I did not want to put coal rails on my 3F if it did not have them. So I looked for pics on the net, and all the loco's I found around the same number have coal rails plus the reverse lever which I could possibly make out of a piece of styrene. I also realised tonight that my test track is not flat, the loco was stuttering in the same couple of places, so I put a steel rule across the top of the track to check. So I have found a piece of plywood to replace the hardboard that I have been using. This should make for a good flat test track and also make it easier to fine tune the loco's. The Union Mills 3f is a lot better but my test track has not made things any easier for testing.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on November 30, 2017, 11:46:25 pm
A couple of pics, one is the station platform extension which allows more room for the Buildings and canopy. The other pic is my rebuilt Test track hopefully this one is flatter and more rigid built with ply instead of some old hardboard. I might be able to test my locos better with this one, I did not realise they were fighting a small gradient at a couple of places. Also room at the front for making a couplings jig when I make a start on which couplings to use. The test track needs the wires soldering back onto the track's and then it will be operational.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1784-301117233911.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1784-301117234839.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1784-301117234515.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on December 01, 2017, 09:49:30 am
Hi Chris,
Pardon my ignorance, but what is that bit of kit on the test track layout?
Dennis.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 01, 2017, 10:17:04 am
Hi Dennis, it's a ESU decoder tester, very good for checking your decoders. It has sockets for all the different types plus a connection for wires and it even has a motor and speaker. I have used it with my Powecab to check decoders,I just swap the connection from the track.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on December 01, 2017, 10:43:10 am
Thanks for the info Chris. So this is normally connected to the tracks and allows you to check a decoder whilst it is within the loco?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 01, 2017, 10:54:58 am
No this checks decoders out of the loco ie on there own not in the loco. For example you could program the two decoders fo a Dmu before installing them in the unit,instead of putting one in the motor car then having take it out to program the second decoder. I disconnect the track and then plug this instead,it's test track or the tester not both.hope you understand me. chris.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on December 01, 2017, 02:06:54 pm
Thanks Chris,
Got that.
Dennis.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 01, 2017, 09:43:59 pm
Well I am still not happy with the test track, peco code 80 and after I have glued it in place some of the rail has come out of the sleepers so up it comes more or less destroying it. So I will buy a new piece of code 55 next week and use that.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 02, 2017, 06:35:44 am
Well I am still not happy with the test track, peco code 80 and after I have glued it in place some of the rail has come out of the sleepers so up it comes more or less destroying it. So I will buy a new piece of code 55 next week and use that.
Sorry to hear of your continuing woes Chris.  I hope things pick up soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on December 02, 2017, 06:56:03 pm
I hope things pick up soon.

That's not nice Laurence - Chris is busy picking up bits of rail as it is  ;D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 02, 2017, 10:45:52 pm
Thanks guys, I picked up a length of Code 55 today while out shopping, it meant a excursion but swmbo did not notice. I also decided  to rebuild part of the frame of the test track , I had used bits and pieces and odd bits of wood. I removed the scrap pieces  and then used a  straight piece of 2x1 for the rear support of the frame which should help to keep the ply level. Once rebuilt I then glued the track in place with Copydex and then soldered the track feeds, so up and running. Here is a short video of the Union Mills with its CT decoder, It still needs a little more fine tuning, you can see the odd stutter, but it should be a lot easier now the test track is level.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 03, 2017, 06:42:29 am
That seems to be much better now.  I notice that your Union Mills makes the same grinding noise that some of my locos do.  It's funny that while some are practically noiseless, some sing a bit and others make a bit of a grinding noise.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 03, 2017, 10:17:00 am
Yes I noticed the noise, I have adjusted the motor position and oiled the gears to no avail. Runs a lot better now though some final tweaking to do yet I think.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 04, 2017, 12:12:50 am
Had a play around with some of my locos on the test track.I have managed to tune a 2mt with a Lenz silver mini a bit better but the best result by far is my 4MT 80119 (soon to be renumbered) with its CT decoder.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on December 04, 2017, 12:17:28 am
That's nice and smooth, Chris. Lovely!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on December 04, 2017, 01:20:28 pm
Looking good Chris
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 05, 2017, 11:45:28 pm
Tonight, nearly all of it, I have been fine tuning the Union Mills, having a good test track has helped. I am pretty happy with the running now, very slight jerking but it is so much better and now runs so slow.I might try a speed curve tomorrow instead of just the std 3 point one.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on December 06, 2017, 05:42:58 pm
Possibly when it has had more running the jerkiness will disappear but there doesn't appear to be much. Nice looking loco. I could be tempted!
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 06, 2017, 06:13:47 pm
Thanks mito, I am planning on detailing this model and renumbering too.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 08, 2017, 10:30:06 am
Well I have been reading up on the d & g couplers,I have several types of wire I can use for the loops. Last night I blackened the etch and the plan is try making some this weekend. I still need to make the jig for setting them up to get the height consistent,been trawling the forums for ideas. I also plan to make some that fit into the nem socket, once I figure how to pull one apart.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 09, 2017, 11:10:46 pm
I managed to make my first D & G coupling tonight,a little fiddly to say the least but hopefully they will get easier has I make more of them.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-091217230811.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 10, 2017, 06:33:57 am
Well done!  I don't think I could manage that.  I think I'll go for the Dapol magnetic couplings.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: danmk1 on December 10, 2017, 06:42:28 pm
Hi Chris. Good to see you have broken you DG coupling cherry. Wish I could say they get easier, but, if they did then everyone would use them.  ::)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 10, 2017, 10:39:17 pm
This is my first attempt at making a jig, not got the measurements quite right yet still playing round with bits of plastic/styrene, but you can get the idea. I will make a cut away on the 5.5mm end so I can get under the wagons/stock  easier, to measure packing that may be needed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-101217223842.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 10, 2017, 11:38:11 pm
V2 of my D & G jig, I might cut a bit more away for easier access under the stock.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-101217233451.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 12, 2017, 10:02:51 pm
This is exciting. What made you go down the DG coupling route?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 12, 2017, 10:17:22 pm
Thanks Richard, I want remote un-coupling without the hand of god if possible. They also look better especially when blackened. I found pics of the 2mm association jig last night and it has given me a idea on how to improve my jig so v3 coming up soon. I could have joined the 2mm association but it would be a waste just so I could buy the jig plus I want it before christmas anyway. I have ordered some bits from Eileens emporium a tool to help with modding my Union Mills 3f and some epoxy resin plus a mini chuck to help building the couplings. You put the chuck in the vice with the delay catch held in place and then fit the main part of the coupler to it. That seems to be the hardest part, strangely I fitted the first coupling the first time no problems but spent ages trying to fit the second one last night I had tried to use a revolving pin vice with difficulty, hopefully the small chuck should be better.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on December 13, 2017, 06:41:20 am
Have you seen the SD-Modell digital coupling in the latest N-Gauge Journal?  At 22 Euros, it's expensive, but gives the option of DCC controlled uncoupling anywhere on the layout.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 13, 2017, 07:43:40 am
Thanks for the explanation, Iíve been toying with the idea of using DGs but itíll be great to see how you get on with them.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 13, 2017, 10:39:26 am
Thanks for that Laurence, i ust admit i have not seen that or i skipped it when i saw the price. I wonder if it works similar to the one Nigel Cliffe is working on for the 2mm association,I believe that works with the d&g couplings.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 21, 2017, 11:47:45 pm
Well everyone I have been playing around with the D&G couplings and my height gauge, I think I have got it right. I managed to buy some thinner styrene so when I put a wagon or stock up to it I have different sizes to pack the wagon/stock. I ended up removing a bit more plastic from my trial wagon, which is no good really, so now I have more variation in sizes of spacers to use.
I plan on working on my Union Mills but ideally it would be good to fit a d&g coupling to that at the same time, I also need to get my sprog2 working now I have remade my program track.    Anyway........

 :claphappy:    Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year To Everyone      :claphappy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on December 22, 2017, 10:38:22 am
And a very merry Xmas and Hsppy New Year to you Chris. :claphappy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 28, 2017, 11:53:36 pm
I have made a start on the Union Mills 3f tonight,I have taken off the numbers on the cab side's and the moulded handrails off the cab side''s and boiler. I have not decided on replacing the injector pipe yet, but I intend to fabricate a reverse lever somehow. I also have Johnson chimney to fit and I also intend to fit N Brass coal rails to the tender and the D&G couplings,all fun. Pics to follow eventually.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on December 30, 2017, 11:17:28 pm
A bit more work on my Union Mills 3f tonight, shes looking a bit battered at the moment. I have two chimneys bought to fit 3f locos from N Brass and was not sure which one was correct for my number of loco. But google is my friend, I found a pic of the actual loco I am using, and good news it has the slightly taller chimney which I prefer, makes it look older. I have also removed the molded coal rails off the tender to be replaced with N Brass rails.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-301217231313.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-301217231435.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/1784-301217231600.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 02, 2018, 10:47:06 pm
More work trying to figure how to make a D&G coupling for my Union Mills. I have made one which fits in the std Union Mills pocket, hopefully it will be held in place with the spring. The only problem I have is setting the height with the loco being stripped down in bits. I am hoping some gentle bending of the coupling will be ok once I have rebuilt the loco. I need to make another one the same for the rear yet.    We have had some bad luck with the Christmas lights on the tree and a Garland too, so I had to go hunting for some replacements in the sales. The lights were built in with the tree and I think some sort of electric spike seems to have finished them off blowing too many bulbs to repair. The good news is the connectors off the Christmas tree lights look very good and I will find a use for them on the layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-020118224446.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-020118224627.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 02, 2018, 11:34:31 pm
Also fitted a nice N-Brass chimney to the 3f, I love it she looks better already.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-020118233304.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on January 03, 2018, 06:39:13 am
The lights were built in with the tree and I think some sort of electric spike seems to have finished them off blowing too many bulbs to repair.
Off topic I know, but what happens with these lights is that, one by one, individual lamps go short circuit, so the rest of the lights continue to work, but get very slightly brighter.  Eventually one too many will go and the current is too much for the remainder and they all blow and become blackened.  If one of the lamps goes open circuit, they all go out but, if you can find the culprit and replace it, everything will be fine again.
Return to topic now
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2018, 10:50:50 am
Thanks for that Laurence,trouble was we spent ages going through the lights (300) and found so many that had blown and we had run out of spares. The same with the Garland whch was working at the start of Christmas, i checked overhalf the bulbs with my meter, because they looked black it was to tell if they had blown. In the end we run out of replacement bulbs for those too so we gave up, they were years old anyway.


Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Dr Al on January 03, 2018, 11:57:10 am
Good progress on the 3F - looks like you're going for the full superdetail!  :thumbsup:

If it's any help, I did the same on a UM 2F (very similar model) a little while back, and posted the process and results here:
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27336.120 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27336.120)
(starting near the end of that page)

Might be of assistance.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2018, 01:45:36 pm
Thanks Alan, I will take another look, I think it was one of yours that inspired me to detail mine. The intention is for handrails and the slightly larger pipe on the other side plus lamp irons,a reverse lever and coal rails on the tender. All a new experience for me but fun. Not sure what paint to use yet enamel or acrylic.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on January 03, 2018, 02:45:31 pm
Happy New Year and great work Chris, the info on the programming is excellent, I have not attempted any CV tuning yet and have taken inspiration from your test track (I currently have a good size oval under my main layout, but it is a bit of cramped space to get at.... might just keep that for running in DC models pre-chip fitting and do a similar rig to yours (I also have the same ESU, but unlike yours, mine has not seen any active service) I hadn't appreciated the ability to programme decoders with it, have done a couple of Class 156's lately and did it the traditional route!  I bought it to test chips that I suspected had failed.


Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 03, 2018, 10:28:22 pm
More work tonight on the Union Mills 3f, added the ejector pipe on the rh side, I used .8mmbrass rod, I managed to solder a vertical pipe down to the footplate, I made a small hole to help locate it, then used epoxy to fix it to the loco.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-030118222731.jpeg)
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Post by: lil chris on January 04, 2018, 10:59:12 pm
More work again tonight, hand rails fitted to the left side of the loco, what a job that was. Those little handrail knobs are so small, I nearly lost one, I cut a piece of the wire off and it disappeared into the room somewhere, into the void where little screws, coupling springs etc all go for ever. The hand rail knobs are glued onto the loco with epoxy, I put them all loose on the rail first with glue in the holes. A few more handrails to fit to the cab etc, they will be a breeze compared to this one, and lamp brkts.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-040118225704.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 08, 2018, 10:51:01 pm
Well all I can say tonight is if you would like to fit lamp irons to any of your models, you need good eyesight and lots of patience. What a job that was it has took me ages, lucky they are only cheap, I seem to have lost I do not know how many. The first mistake was cutting one off the etch and then trying to bend it, know idea where that one went. Then I bend'd them on the fret, thats a better idea but trying to stick them on in position. Well I have managed to fit two tonight, do not think I will be attempting to fit many more soon. Handrails next and then painting with primer. More pics to follow.
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Post by: Delboy on January 09, 2018, 08:37:27 am
Hi chris,
Looking forward to more pics. The handrail on the last pic looks great.
 :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dr Al on January 09, 2018, 11:17:06 pm
Well all I can say tonight is if you would like to fit lamp irons to any of your models, you need good eyesight and lots of patience. What a job that was it has took me ages, lucky they are only cheap, I seem to have lost I do not know how many. The first mistake was cutting one off the etch and then trying to bend it, know idea where that one went. Then I bend'd them on the fret, thats a better idea but trying to stick them on in position. Well I have managed to fit two tonight, do not think I will be attempting to fit many more soon. Handrails next and then painting with primer. More pics to follow.

One tip is to drill holes for them and use parts of staples that secure into the holes - this means often you can drill right through the footplate, and secure more strongly from the underside, and also allows you to work with a larger sized piece that's less fiddly.

The lamp irons on my D49 in my most recent workbench post has been done this way if that helps.

Cheers,
Alan
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Post by: lil chris on January 10, 2018, 05:13:57 pm
Thanks for the tip Alan, I managed it but struggled with the size. I have bought some x type tweezers from my model shop which will make things easier in the future.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 13, 2018, 11:10:26 pm
Hi everyone, I have done more work on the Union Mills loco tonight. I have fitted hand rails to the rear of the cab and the sides, yes in the picture it looks a little out so I have corrected it, it must have moved a touch. Only the tender to do now, coal rails and I am thinking of fitting handrails on the tender too.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-130118230649.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 13, 2018, 11:38:10 pm
Hello again everyone, just thought I would mention about the flu doing the rounds. My wife has been ill since before Christmas, my eldist son has been bad too. I am lucky I had my free flu jab and seem to have avoided it, hope the rest of you are all ok. Happy New Year to everyone.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on January 14, 2018, 06:35:27 am
Kep yourself fit Chris and I hope your family are all better soon.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 15, 2018, 09:12:31 pm
More work now on the tender, nearly messed it up along the top curved edge. I slightly damaged it with a grinding disc but have managed to repair it with some Uni Bond express epoxy putty. Hope I can sand it down ok when it sets, its very easy to use and comes in little small rolls which you knead for a min. Its shame I wasted a lot of my first roll, I could not think of anything to use it for before it set. I have worked out how to fit the coal rails to the tender without cutting off too much metal, lucky I have a nice pic of a 3f off the net to work on. I have decided on handrails, coal rails and probably some lamp brkts on the rear of the tender. I also have vacuum pipes to fit and when they arrive a number plate for the front of the loco, but they can be fitted after it has been painted. Pics to follow.......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 17, 2018, 03:44:55 pm
Well I have fitted the coal rails,lamp brackets made from staples to the rear of the tender. Also handrails to the tender,I had a slight problem one of the lamp brackets came off the front of the loco which I lost trying to glue it back. I used another out the packet and had more fun fitting it. I also fitted a bracket made from a staple,taking Alanís advice, to the smoke box door,the loco and tender are ready for painting now. The staples are from a small stapler,the staples are ideal for the job.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 17, 2018, 10:24:52 pm
A couple of pics showing the loco and tender ready for painting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-170118221737.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-170118221948.jpeg)

Sorry if they are a little out of focus, taken with my phone which is usually very good. That's it blame the tools..........
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 18, 2018, 08:30:53 pm
I have painted the models now with primer. The tender still needs more work on the side, the primer is good at highlighting the imperfections in the filler. Once I have it good I will then paint the model with Humbrol matt black with my airbrush. At the end of the day I could buy a new tender from Union Mills but I want to avoid that if I can. A couple of pics here, I have done more work on the tender since this pic, its looking better.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-180118201508.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-180118201710.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 20, 2018, 11:33:35 pm
Just received a message tonight, my etched number plates have been dispatched, so I need to get my 3f painted black now so it will be eady for fitting.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 21, 2018, 07:47:56 pm
Painted the 3f with Humbrol coal black paint tonight with my airbrush.It looks good I will leave it to dry now for a couple of days.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-210118194416.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on January 21, 2018, 07:56:36 pm
Quite a difference Chris, looks totally different to the earlier picture.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 21, 2018, 07:59:05 pm
Thanks Danny, yes I was surprised too, it looks so much better, that's a relief after all the work.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on January 21, 2018, 08:31:10 pm
Been following this with interest. As said, what a difference. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 22, 2018, 11:37:31 pm
A few more pics of my Union Mills 3f after painting. I was not happy with the tender so out came the airbrush and some more Halfords primer on the sides. I am happy with the loco I think that looks good.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-220118231004.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-220118231154.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-220118231319.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 23, 2018, 08:26:29 pm
More work on the Union Mills 3f tonight, a second coat of paint. I have sorted the problems with the tender, a bit happier with that now. I managed to buy a book that Rowlie recommended to me about these locos, it has answered a few questions I wanted to know. I can recommend Bill Hudson books, a very good service from him at a good price.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-230118201846.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 24, 2018, 08:16:49 pm
Hooray my new number etches have arrived now, I can re-number my 3f for a start. Thank you Narrow Planet they look very nice. Each plate comes with its own shed plate, mind you need good eyes and a magnifying glass to read them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-240118201529.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on January 24, 2018, 08:25:07 pm
Do they include the cab-side numbers?
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 24, 2018, 08:30:10 pm
The side plate numbers on my loco's are transfers Laurence, no brass plates on these Midland/ LMS types. I would imagine they can make those has well to your requirements, I only ordered front plates. I actually ordered these before Christmas and they have arrived today, holidays in the way of course have delayed things.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: dannyboy on January 24, 2018, 09:41:36 pm
I ordered some plates from Narrow Planet last October and have to agree with Chris - they do look very nice. (The plates are still in the mailing bag though, have not got 'aroundtuit' yet.  :()
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 24, 2018, 10:27:50 pm
Well here are a couple of pics of the Union Mills now after its second coat of paint. For some reason its turned out a bit shiny, No problem I will fix the decals in place then give it a coat of some matt varnish.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-240118220122.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/1784-240118220024.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 27, 2018, 10:22:30 pm
Just found out why my loco is glossy, I used the wrong paint, 21 instead of 85. I picked up the wrong tin, I had the gloss there to paint a patch where the decals were going. No big deal, I have some Pheonix ready mixed matt varnish coming anyway from Fox Transfers, along with some buffer beam red, gloss and matt paint, both because I was not sure what the beams would be on the 3f. Anyone knows please let me know thanks in advance.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on January 28, 2018, 10:05:50 pm
Hi everyone, I decided to mask where the decals go and give the loco a light sanding then a coat of matt black. I have also fitted the brake stantion on the tender.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-280118220355.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 01, 2018, 10:52:08 pm
I have fitted the decals tonight, it was made harder with my magnifying lamp bulb going yet again, they do not last long that's for sure, I have a spare somewhere. I need to do some work on the tender I have a square patch where I masked the gloss.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-010218223907.jpeg)
I have touched up with matt black since this pic, let it dry then a coat of Phoenix Matt varnish I have bought which is airbrush ready.

Better pic to follow when I re assemble the loco. I need to black the edges of the rims and possibly some weathering to the wheels etc. I also need to touch the buffer beams up, I have some paint for the job.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 03, 2018, 07:51:55 pm
More work on the Union Mills 3f, I have renumbered the loco to M/cr Trafford Park, number plate to be fitted on the front when the Phoenix matt varnish has dried. Quite happy with the finish now, you can not see were I masked the gloss for the decals so that is a result. I need to put the crew back in the cab and some real coal needed in the tender and possibly some light weathering, mainly dirt around the frames and wheels etc.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-030218194350.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on February 03, 2018, 08:53:02 pm
Looking really good Chris.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: JohnN on February 03, 2018, 09:54:34 pm
That looks really smart Chris. Well done.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 04, 2018, 10:04:55 pm
More work tonight, Etched number plate on the front, buffer beams painted a bit of weathering on the loco, coal on the tender. I can not wait to build the loco back up but I need to sort the d&g couplings for it, might has well sort out while its stripped down. Pics to follow.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 06, 2018, 10:59:04 pm
I have fitted a D&G coupling to the tender, I made it so it would fit in the existing pocket without modifying in any way. It is easily removable, it held in place with bluetack in the socket. I needed to Know what height it would be on the Union mills before I set my height which was 55mm. I have ended up taking a bit off my jig, I initially put the d&g in the socket flat and my jig was a touch too high, so I have shaved some off. On the wagons etc it is easier to add some on to lower the coupling if needed to get the same height. I now need to add the thickness of the coupling to get the correct height for the jig..........I think......he...he my brain hurts....
Pleased with how the tender looks now with coal, a touch more dirt weathering on the lower section is still needed.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-060218225027.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 07, 2018, 10:40:57 pm
Here is the loco and tender re united, I still need to make another D&G coupling yet and adjust the other one to my liking. I thought I had over weathered it in places so I have touched it up a little, the close up pics make it look so different. I think I will give it another quick coat of varnish, I have used a mixture of paints, both enamels and acrylics. I am pretty pleased with how she looks now, she is how she would have probably looked in the 60's before she was withdrawn.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-070218223609.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-070218223849.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-070218224034.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 08, 2018, 06:48:36 am
Lovely pictures.  Thanks Chris.
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Post by: keithbythe sea on February 08, 2018, 07:34:30 am
Great work Chris  :thankyousign:
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Post by: Delboy on February 08, 2018, 08:32:56 am
Looking good Chris
Well worth the effort
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on February 08, 2018, 08:34:32 am
Defo, what Delboy said.   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: JohnN on February 08, 2018, 10:10:19 am
The extra detailing and weathering really makes a difference.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 08, 2018, 09:55:49 pm
A bit of a disaster tonight I broke the coupling I had made for the union mills, too much bending of the etch. The instructions do say a bit of solder behind the plate helps the strength of the coupling, I had bent this backwards and forwards a few times. The idea was good now to try to make two more,a few pics so you get the idea, The top one is the broken etch, it needed some more taking off to allow it to go farther into the socket on the tender and loco, it was sitting a little to far out. I decided to make the new ones out of a flat etch, the middle one is not perfect but it should be ok. If it goes farther in the socket I may be able to use the spring to keep it in position instead of bluetack, if not back to the bluetack and touch the bit you can see with blk paint. The first pic the top one is the broken etch....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-080218215118.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-080218215310.jpeg)
bottom one not perfect but looks the best on this 3rd pic.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-080218215503.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: JohnN on February 08, 2018, 10:15:52 pm
Oops. Sorry to hear that Chris. Hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 08, 2018, 10:24:53 pm
Well I have made one, the middle one snapped I must have over cut it and made it weak. So I will make another using the last one has a template, that fits great after some filing to fit.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-080218222320.jpeg)


Need to make another then I am sorted, might still end up using bluetack.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 08, 2018, 10:35:06 pm
Well I have thought of a idea for the front of the Loco, a small slot cut under the buffer beam and I can glue the broken etch coupling into that. I will have to watch the height, it will be slightly higher than if its in the socket.

I have managed to put a double bend in the plate to lower it slightly, checked on my coupling height gauge and its ok, job done. Back to finishing the loco now with vacuum pipes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 10, 2018, 10:04:46 pm
To keep the Union Mills the same without cutting the pocket off etc I have thought of this modified D&G coupling. Hopefully this will fit in the pocket and use the existing spring to hold it in position, mine at the moment is held in with bluetack, not ideal. This might also might fit in some wagon pockets if the end tang is cut to size. I have also shown a pic here of a new GF weathered wagon, I partly removed the coupling to show how it fits.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-100218215159.jpeg)
here is the wagon pic....Note it was bought factory weathered in a set of 3, ie the wheels and everything weathered !
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-100218220332.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 11, 2018, 10:26:37 pm
Well tonight I finished the Union Mills, finished the couplings fitting the catches, the tender was easy because I could remove it. I also fitted it back in the pocket using styrene instead of bluetack, its a lot more firm now. The loco was a nightmare because I had glued the coupling to the loco above the pocket, making it hard to fit the latch. I use a tip found while researching the couplings of putting the latch in a pin vice held in a small desk vice and then offering the coupling to the catch you do not then need two pairs of hands. I have also fitted vacuum pipes to the Union Mills, I need to run it more now to loosen it up, I am happy with the result. I then tried to have a running session, not very good lots of problems came to light, the worst was the track joint from the fiddle yard to the viaduct section, the soldering has come loose. I was running the Tomix car round when I found the fault it came to a abrupt stop. I had run round most of the track with my hardboard cleaner over the rails but it needs a good going over especially the points. I also had some un-coupling problems with some coaches I was running with 80119, I now have two Suburban coaches,thanks Chris in P, they are both the same number but have different couplings for some reason, one must be a later release. Track cleaning and the joint needing soldering are the next priority now I have finished working on the Union Mills. A couple of pics here showing the UM 3f moving over the viaduct and then in the cutting.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-110218222408.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-110218222545.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 11, 2018, 10:39:55 pm
Another pic of the Union Mills 3f in the cutting before the road bridge.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-110218223731.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: JohnN on February 11, 2018, 11:18:39 pm
Looking really good Chris. I especially like that last photo.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 12, 2018, 08:51:33 pm
I have fixed the board track joints, I managed to do it with having to un-assemble the sections. I remembered you need to make sure the track is the same height on both sides of the joint, it was a bit tricky but the job is done. I have also made myself another wood track cleaner, I made it longer so it will reach under tunnel entrances and bridges, back to the track cleaning now.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-120218204727.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 12, 2018, 10:17:58 pm
Well I have done some track cleaning after soldering the joints but found trains were derailing on the other track too, not every one but small goods wagons being so light some of them. On inspecting the track I found those rails were now out of line only slightly but enough to affect some of the wagons. So the soldering iron came out again and some more track tweaking, hopefully I have sorted it. No idea how soldered track can move slightly out of line, the boards are dowel'd together and suitcase fasteners . The two first rails the solder'd joint had come loose but not these two so that's a puzzle, unless I soldered it like that in the first place. Its a mystery its a mystery...I hear a song coming on.......
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 13, 2018, 06:49:19 am
I'm sure that the Copydexed track on the long curves of my hidden loops creeps.  I can't make the joints straight because it takes up to three lengths of track to make each curved loop.  I have found inserting strategic track pins helps a bit.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: daveg on February 13, 2018, 07:04:49 am
I suspect Copydex does 'stretch' a little if under a moderately tight curved bit of flexi.

My track is on Celotex so found the best a solution was to use cocktail sticks to hold the curve firmly in place which can then be covered by ballast.

Dave G
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 13, 2018, 09:31:47 pm
I have had some success tonight, the soldered joints are fixed but I am still having trouble with some of the fiddle yard insul frog points shorting and cutting the breaker. I need to sort this it seems to be certain loco's the Union Mills 3f is bad. I am pretty sure I checked the back to back on this loco before I detailed and painted her, it was within limits. I may have to resort to painting the back of the switch rail like I did on the curved point. The trouble is they are under the eaves of the loft roof, yes I know I am only 5' tall but it's still awkward to get too.
Anyway here is a video I have made up showing some trains running, the 4f with a small goods went round and round no trouble, that is a good little runner and this time the wagons did not derail just after going through the tunnel to the fiddle yard. Oh sorry about that I left the lamp on behind the tunnel to check the track and forgot to switch it off.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 13, 2018, 09:55:03 pm
Good to see some trains running again, and I hope you can sort your track niggles out without too much problem.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 13, 2018, 10:12:13 pm
Thanks Mick, yes the niggles do my head in that's the trouble, I find it frustrating to say the least.
I need to sort it, I have already changed one point but I painted the side of the rail so I might try that on this troublesome point, it's easy to do and a cheap fix. Here is a pic of a trix wheel cleaner I bought off ebay, I paid to much but it was a impulse buy after the track problems. I have seen it cheaper online but I would have had to pay postage on top, ebay was postage free. I am wondering if it will work on dcc, if it does not I will have to enable dc on some of my loco's which have it turned off.(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/1784-130218220650.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 13, 2018, 10:14:27 pm
Anyway here is a video I have made up showing some trains running, the 4f with a small goods went round and round no trouble, that is a good little runner and this time the wagons did not derail just after going through the tunnel to the fiddle yard. Oh sorry about that I left the lamp on behind the tunnel to check the track and forgot to switch it off.


Great stuff :thumbsup:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 13, 2018, 10:54:25 pm
Thanks for that Steve, I do not know how you embed the video link.



Thanks Laurence for the tip, now sorted...
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Caz on February 14, 2018, 08:36:01 am
I had lots of problems with my UM Collett shorting as it passed through points etc and it took a lot of adjusting of the back to backs on both engine and tender to get it to work without shorting. 
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 14, 2018, 09:23:21 am
Thanks for that Steve, I do not know how you embed the video link.
Hi Chris

To embed the link, simply highlight it and then click the You Tube button (immediatley below the Italics button)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: port perran on February 14, 2018, 09:40:21 am
Thanks for the video Chris.
I love the Ďclickety clickĒ effect.
And I always think that PO wagons add interest and look attractive.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on February 14, 2018, 08:42:44 pm
Great video and excellent job on the 4f.  :thumbsup:
I think that a UM will go on my wish list.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 14, 2018, 10:50:15 pm
Thanks Mito, the Union Mills was a 3f though, it was a4f in the video with the goods train. Still standard GF ( out of a box set ) at the moment, I intend to renumber it though eventually.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Biggy on February 15, 2018, 08:38:01 am
Lovely video very nice layout. I find every time I do something scenic on my layout the points start to play up and it takes loads of obsessive cleaning to sort out. Drives me mad :veryangry:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: David Asquith on February 15, 2018, 03:53:23 pm
If you haven't already found out Chris the Trix wheel cleaner does work on DCC.  I use one on my DCC locos.

Dave
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 15, 2018, 08:45:57 pm
Well tonight I have tried something which worked on my curved point. I have painted the side of the switch rail on all the points on the left side of the fiddle yard. The fault only happens when loco's are coming round the curved section and meet the point, and the nature of how the fiddle yard is designed ie get the track sidings has long has possible does not help. Some more testing now to see if that has solved the problem otherwise its a major job replacing the points with live frog and see if that is better. I remember checking  a few loco's that were affected which included my class 47 diesel, and the back to back was ok. Time will tell.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 15, 2018, 08:52:47 pm
I would suggest careful use of the Trix wheel cleaner as the one I have (an older model) has a plastic piece running between the sets of wire brushes to keep them separate and, if you push down too hard, it would be easy to grind exposed gears :uneasy:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 15, 2018, 11:33:34 pm
Thanks Mick the only thing I am worried about is the loco's with rubber tyres, i will see  how it goes.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 16, 2018, 09:53:58 am
Thanks Mick the only thing I am worried about is the loco's with rubber tyres, i will see  how it goes.

Yeah - I reckon traction tyres could be a worry, too :worried:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: DaveGlew on February 16, 2018, 04:37:56 pm
I'm sure that the Copydexed track on the long curves of my hidden loops creeps.  I can't make the joints straight because it takes up to three lengths of track to make each curved loop.  I have found inserting strategic track pins helps a bit.
I am planning on using 1cm closed cell foam but admit I hadn't considered creep age... So thanks for the warning......... strategic pinning either side of the sleepers (I dislike pinning the sleepers themselves) Sounds like a good tip.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 20, 2018, 11:03:58 pm
I am having trouble with the insulfrog points on the fiddle yard.I have tried a technique I used on a curved point on my cutting section. Where the Loco's come round a bend then they get to the  point and it trips, a short in fact. Back to backs were checked and found to be within tolerance, so I tried painting the back of the switch rail which solved the problem. The insul frogs are a pain no slow running over them but the short was a nuisance causing my psx circuit breaker to trip. I have had some success with the painting technique, here are a couple of pics showing were I painted the rails. You do not always need to paint both switch rails, I find its the outer one from the curve ie loco running from left to right. On these two pics the number 3 point which was the main cause of my problems has been painted but is now set the other way, Number 5 is now causing the same problem so I have just painted that one tonight. I use Blk Acrylic, its easy to see, you need a small brush and do not paint the switch rail at the end, just paint the outside of the rail, unless you wire the points with direct feeds.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1784-200218225009.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1784-200218225104.jpeg)

Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on February 21, 2018, 08:57:30 am
I must admit it still seems a strange solution to me but, hey, if it works it works.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Bealman on February 21, 2018, 09:08:08 am
Does seem like a bit of stuff, but if it works, don't fix it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 21, 2018, 11:29:18 pm
Well  I have spent all night trying to work out my D & G coupling jig, I decided to make a new one because the first was a botch up. I am setting it to match the coupling pocket on the Union Mills, hopefully then some stock can be converted without too much work. Ideally I would like to fit a D&G coupling into existing pockets if possible especially on new stock. I have fitted a D&G into the rear pocket of the Union Mills tender with no alterations. I have a old wagon which I intend to have a standard coupling and a D&G so I can then pull some wagons behind the Union Mills 3f. Then I can gradually convert the goods fleet to D&G's. I need to convert my Jinty and my 4f next, not sure if I can use the pockets on those loco's, we shall see.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 22, 2018, 10:09:49 pm
Well after some faffing about I managed to make a new more accurate jig for the couplings. I have now fitted a coupling to one end of a wagon,it seems to be the correct height. The 3f and the wagon have connected, I now need to set up a magnet to test the un-coupling ability.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1784-220218220257.jpeg)
Here is a pic of the new jig, this is set to the height of a D&G coupling fitted in the Union Mills pocket.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1784-220218220825.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Delboy on February 23, 2018, 10:39:56 am
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the heads up with the painting of the insulfrog points.
Also 10 out of 10 for your perseverance and well done with regard to couplings.
I was considering the DG couplings but am not sure I have the patience for all the "faffing about" as you call it.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 24, 2018, 09:39:20 pm
Thanks Delboy, the faffing about was making the jig, I could not figure out what size plastic sheet I had used for the first Jig. Anyway the main thing is getting the height correct no matter what plastic you use. I think I have because it seems the same height has the D&G fitted in the tender pocket. I just need to keep to that height now, I need to look at my Jinty next and figure how to fit a coupling to that, preferably into the existing pocket if possible so I do not butcher the loco.

Forgot to put the heater on in the loft so started to watch the snooker now.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 27, 2018, 11:05:01 pm
Well I tried another test run tonight, bad news, I am still having trouble with the same point. It is getting on my nerves now something needs to be done, I can not run a train round without it causing problems when I set it for one route. I will have another close look tomorrow, to be honest I am thinking of replacing the point with a live frog version if I can get one. The trouble is my local shop does not sell code 80 live frog version, so its buying online. I will check the Back to back of the loco again, but If I remember its a few locos that have the problem not just the Union Mills.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on February 28, 2018, 06:24:02 am
I think a live frog with a frog juicer should sort it out.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 28, 2018, 10:24:23 am
Thanks Laurence, yes I have a hex juicer with only one port connection used so that is the plan. I have ordered two points last night from Rails, if I am going through the upheaval of pulling the track up to replace the one point I might as well replace the one next to it has well. Hopefully this should give me better running especially slow running. It's a big job,it requires dismantling the layout because it's under the eaves of the roof,but nessasary for my sanity.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Mito on February 28, 2018, 05:43:47 pm
It will be worth it. For your sanity if nothing else! :)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on February 28, 2018, 06:40:03 pm
Thanks Mito I have received a message the parcel has been dispatched. So hopefully I can get them fitted this week and then enjoy some running without problems.I have also received a parcel from Wizard models,good service from them so I can make some more couplings hopefully to fit in existing pockets.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 01, 2018, 10:57:02 pm
Well today the parcel from Rails of Sheffield arrived, good service and delivery, I did pay a extra £1.
So tonight I got on with it, I had prepared the layout ready last night. I have fitted two live frog points, No 3 and 5, they were crucial for smooth running in the clockwise direction. I have re soldered feed wires, changed the fish plates on the frogs to insulated type and also soldered wires to the frogs and connected those to a Hex juicer. I fitted the frog wires after laying the points, just drilled a small hole between the frog and tin the rail etc. I have checked the point motors work correctly, one point  had moved position slightly which required re-positioning the motor. All the feeds are the correct way round so a test run is needed now. Fingers crossed now all will be ok.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1784-010318224637.jpeg)
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Innovationgame on March 02, 2018, 06:33:44 am
That was quick work Chris!  I hope the tests go OK.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Milton Rail on March 03, 2018, 05:54:34 am
Just caught up on your updates Chris, lovely work on the loco and admirable perseverance on the pointwork!

I hope the testing was successful
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 03, 2018, 09:21:02 pm
I have had a test run tonight, the two new points work superbly. It makes me think about gradually replacing all the insulfrog points, especially on the main routes into the fiddle yard. I might buy another hex juicer for the other end of the fiddle yard to simplify things regarding the wiring. Of course another point started playing up even after vigorous cleaning,No 1 on the same clockwise direction, so I will replace that point next when funds are available.
Here is a short video it shows 4MT 80119 running round with a small passenger train anti clockwise, then Union Mills 3f 43650 running light over the banking section and going over the two new points in the fiddle yard. Sorry about the poor light in the corner, you can just about see the loco hesitate over No 1 point before going over points No3 and No
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2018, 09:28:28 pm
Glad the electros are doing the job, Chris. I swear by them (and sometimes at them) :D
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
Post by: lil chris on March 03, 2018, 10:35:20 pm
Thanks Mick, I think the No1 point might need the ends of the switch blades cleaning because of course it relies on contact for power. When the loco is going over it there might be intermittent contact causing it to stall or stop. I removed the 3f from the track and gave the wheels a clean with iosp and it was a lot better. Earlier I had my class 47 going round and it was not running very smooth at all plus one of the carriages kept de railing which added to the frustration. Maybe the wheels in one bogie are sticking, so need to check that, but at least the two points are better.
Title: Re: East Lancashire lines
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