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Title: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 22, 2015, 02:34:28 pm
Right then, here I go...  I know NOTHING about railways except that I like to look at trains, I like to ride on trains – I LIKE TRAINS!  When I say that I know nothing about trains I mean, most particularly, in any kind of operational sense.  I realise that hauling a bunch of wagons into a dead end siding behind a shunter is not too smart if you want to use that loco again in the near future.  That’s about the limit of my practical knowledge.  With that said, I will post a starting idea in the next day or two and ask for any and all suggestions to improve it.  I really don’t think that my sketch is in any way ‘precious’ so no suggestion for change will be too extreme for consideration.  I am still working on the sketch right now and admit that it is VERY ‘train set’ at this point.
Anyhow, for now, here is a sort of a back story for what ever it all grows in to.....

The place, a parallel universe situated on the outer edge of the back of beyond.  The time, in local parlance, ‘The Year Of The Oatcake’ – or, as we here would say, ‘I dunno!’...

It was a couple of years since the referendum and things were moving on apace.  The result of the vote had seen Scotland separate itself from the United Kingdom.  That had not been unexpected.  After all, Alex Trout had run a masterful campaign.  What was unexpected however, was the legal fallout that resulted from it.
Despite the best efforts of the UK Prime Minister, David Cameraman,  an ancient, and never repealed, law was discovered which allowed other parts of the Kingdom to secede at will in the event of the commencement of a break up of the Union.
Wales had been the first to go.  When it was discovered, in a subsequent hearing, that the English Counties were also able to take the step of independence, all of the western counties quickly did so.  This opened up a corridor between Scotland and Wales and, with the signing of a selection of agreements and contracts, resulted in the formation of a new political and trade amalgamation which become known as the North and West Alliance (N&WA – generally pronounced ‘Nay Way’).

Not all aspects of the separation had gone as smoothly as in the beginning however.  Many of the industries, particularly in the service aspect, had been headquartered in the capital and thus were nominally owned and/or controlled by various London companies and corporations.

At the behest of the WestMonster government (and a huge amount of tax incentives) these entities quickly withdrew their services from the new Alliance.

Looking specifically at the transportation network, the N&WA began to buy up and run various rail stock of an assortment of types and vintages.  To begin with they were simply worked in the colour scheme of the companies which sold them to the new network.  From the start there existed a plan to replace the units when possible, and, to repaint any remaining in a livery yet to be designed.
It didn’t take long for the remainder of the country, looking at the ‘mix and match’ railway system, to refer to it as a Frankenstein monster.  But, since Victor Frankstein’s monster was brought to life by electricity the whole ‘monster’ aspect of the situation was quickly accepted by all concerned and the citizens of the North and West themselves adopted the name ’Trainsylvania’ for their rail network.

That last sentence doesn’t really make a lot of sense but I don’t care too much.  Near enough is well good enough.  It’s just an excuse for a train set after all.  Cut me some slack here!  You people are all the same ye know... Pick, pick, pick!  How about some respect?  I fought and died in two world wars for you lot and what do I get for it? Pick, pick, pick!  I don’t think you can even SPELL repsect!

Anyhow, that’s it, my excuse and reasoning for running anything and everything (British) on the soon to be started layout.  Will that do?  I think it’s just a re-statement of what I think is called Rule One:  Run what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law...

A track plan will follow in short order but for now, thank you for indulging my lunatic fantasy.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 22, 2015, 02:43:40 pm
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on January 22, 2015, 02:46:08 pm
Jeez, I think someone has been on the Colombian marching powder....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on January 22, 2015, 02:46:37 pm
Excellent (and entertaining) intro to your forthcoming layout, Zogbert ;D
However, being a Lancashire blow in (i.e. I wasn't born in this county), I'm not sure I like being in a corridor between Scotland and Wales as this could result in the respective crowned heads getting uppity and going for full blown conkering. Yes - the issue may be decided at the annual National Conquer Championships which I believe is held in Northamptonshire, a county singularly unaffected by any such border shenanigans.
Shenanigans? Heck, have I brought the Irish into this dispute now? We'll all be speaking Gaelic soon :worried:
Best wishes with 'run what you brung'
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 22, 2015, 02:53:51 pm
Excellent (and entertaining) intro to your forthcoming layout, Zogbert ;D
However, being a Lancashire blow in (i.e. I wasn't born in this county), I'm not sure I like being in a corridor between Scotland and Wales as this could result in the respective crowned heads getting uppity and going for full blown conkering. Yes - the issue may be decided at the annual National Conquer Championships which I believe is held in Northamptonshire, a county singularly unaffected by any such border shenanigans.
Shenanigans? Heck, have I brought the Irish into this dispute now? We'll all be speaking Gaelic soon :worried:
Best wishes with 'run what you brung'

Come on Mick, You Lacashireans (?) (adoptive or otherwise), like your Northumbrian and Cumbrian cousins, really really want to be Scottish. We all know this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 22, 2015, 02:56:35 pm
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:

I've heard about people like you!  You are 'brushist' ain'tcha! I don't think a hobby forum is the place for such prejudice... Huh! What did brushes ever do to you?  ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: jonclox on January 22, 2015, 02:56:52 pm
 :) I think I will dig out my flack jacket and tin hat again before rebels start blowing up trains (sets) again   :laughabovepost:
PS will you be including the Scotyland/Hook of Holland rail tunnel link?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 22, 2015, 03:11:17 pm
PS will you be including the Scotyland/Hook of Holland rail tunnel link?
Based on the concept of the fiddleyard being every where not detailed - YAIS! - Clogland and everywhere else in the entire universe!  Scot me up Beamy!!!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Geoff on January 22, 2015, 03:19:16 pm
Now then me bonny lad that is some story and it looks like I am blessed with living on the Nay Way line, now what I want to know do you need a passport to travel into never-land governed by the almighty monsters or has free movement been granted?

As for rule 1 in this situation I think it is going to be rewritten.

 :laugh3:

Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: railsquid on January 22, 2015, 04:40:41 pm
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:

I've heard about people like you!  You are 'brushist' ain'tcha! I don't think a hobby forum is the place for such prejudice... Huh! What did brushes ever do to you?  ;)

Just so no-one feels left out:

- crazy as a Crompton
- eccentric as an English Electric
- sozzled as a Sulzer
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 22, 2015, 04:43:52 pm
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:

I've heard about people like you!  You are 'brushist' ain'tcha! I don't think a hobby forum is the place for such prejudice... Huh! What did brushes ever do to you?  ;)

Nuts as a bag of squirrels......I don't discriminate when it comes to discrimination  :P
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: port perran on January 22, 2015, 06:27:32 pm
Hopefully the layout will be as entertaining as the back story.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: austinbob on January 22, 2015, 06:38:48 pm
Zogbert

I hear they've discovered a couple of new planets recently. You wouldn't be from one of them by any chance?

 :help:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 22, 2015, 06:53:05 pm
Just checking....are you related to the Zogbert Splod that posts on you tube? Although, I think he is a septic.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 22, 2015, 08:38:41 pm
Just checking....are you related to the Zogbert Splod that posts on you tube? Although, I think he is a septic.
It has been known... Yeah, unless there is another one, it's me. I lived in the US for around 16 years in two different spasms...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on January 22, 2015, 09:14:20 pm
Just checking....are you related to the Zogbert Splod that posts on you tube? Although, I think he is a septic.

Do septics drive around in tanks? :P

Tank commander to loader 'load with AP'
Loader to commander 'not....not....not the authentic poo? :o'
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 23, 2015, 01:50:47 am
OK, a modicum of sanity for a moment.
I am still putting the sketch of a possible layout together but in the meantime...
Sundeala (spelling?) - assuming that the framing is properly done - any good?  Has anyone used it?

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Geoff on January 23, 2015, 06:50:42 am
OK, a modicum of sanity for a moment.
I am still putting the sketch of a possible layout together but in the meantime...
Sundeala (spelling?) - assuming that the framing is properly done - any good?  Has anyone used it?

Allan.....

You are better off using 9mm ply Allan, I have used Sundeala in my early days but it was not my favourite product for track laying.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: mr magnolia on January 23, 2015, 08:43:22 am
On the other hand, I have used the stuff successfully on my one and only layout...

If it's good enough for the rebel Portobello and Joppa North Sea Coastal, then it's maybe good enough for anything.
Donald
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Karhedron on January 23, 2015, 08:52:13 am
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:


What, one of these? ;)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Class_31_D5557_%28or_31438%29_on_the_Morning_train_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1449141.jpg)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 23, 2015, 08:57:56 am
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:


What, one of these? ;)

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Class_31_D5557_%28or_31438%29_on_the_Morning_train_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1449141.jpg[/url])


Ha!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on January 23, 2015, 10:01:15 am
OK, a modicum of sanity for a moment.
I am still putting the sketch of a possible layout together but in the meantime...
Sundeala (spelling?) - assuming that the framing is properly done - any good?  Has anyone used it?

Allan.....

Sanity? ??? :laugh3:

Here's one who has used 9mm sundeala (correct ;)) on many layouts and I think it's great in that it readily accepts track pins just being pushed in and is easily shaped if required.
The usual caveat applies in that, unless the layout will reside indoors, the sundeala requires treating as per the instructions on their website as temperature changes will warp it. Once treated, and with good bracing, it has never given me any issues.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 23, 2015, 12:38:40 pm
Just checking....are you related to the Zogbert Splod that posts on you tube? Although, I think he is a septic.

Do septics drive around in tanks? :P

Tank commander to loader 'load with AP'
Loader to commander 'not....not....not the authentic poo? :o'
Cockney rhyming slang , Mick
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 23, 2015, 04:31:27 pm
Thanks for the replies on the Sundeala question.  I went and ‘guested’ on a couple of other forums and discovered that what I was asking is a frequently asked thing.  Based on the answers across the net I will almost certainly go with good quality ply.  Thanks again to all who responded.

OK, moving on.  I still don’t have a track plan that I am even remotely happy with, so, I will let that slide for today.  However, comments on the following would be VERY welcome...

My current hobby project, a robotic video platform (which I really aught to finish before starting on the ‘train set’), has a surprising number of common features with model railroads.  It has got six channels, each with an electric motor at the end of it.  Two of those are actually servo’s and are feedback controlled so I have simply got to tell them where I want them to be.  However, the others, used for directional movement, need to be controlled separately.  I have written the software for this and all is good.  The interface with the motors is handled by ‘h-bridges’.  The chopper frequency (is that a suitable term?) is 2kHz.  I have done a million searches across a billion web sites and found little in the way of consensus.  Does anyone on here have REAL experience in this regard?  Specifically, is this system suitable for ‘N’ gauge loco’s and, if so, what is a suitable frequency to run at?  I would be looking at all the usual stuff with a strong bias towards slow running.  Also, I really don’t want to release the ‘magic smoke’ from the loco!!!  I have a bunch of pretty good DC power supplies that are happy to supply the inputs to my current h-bridges, so that side of it seems to be covered.  I could easily experiment and change the chopper frequency in software but I don’t know how long it takes to make a tiny ‘N’ gauge motor go bye-bye.

What is the principle of operation of ‘over the counter’ controllers anyhow?  Straight line up/down DC -  PWM - FM???  I should go and buy one and shove a ‘scope on it!

As an example of what I have found so far: the chopper frequency controlling the h-bridge should not exceed 800 Hz. But on another site I found that it should never be less than 2kHz!
Opinions, thoughts, even real knowledge would be most welcome.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 23, 2015, 04:51:07 pm
Generally, DC locos require just that.  0 to 12v DC seems to be the norm. N gauge locos of a more modern type use coreless motors and don't take much cooking. Pulse width modulation does work AFAIK, but doesn't seem to popular. DCC uses a 16v supply with a PCM type signal modulated onto it. The decoder rectifies and supplies the motor.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 23, 2015, 08:27:50 pm
Thanks for the replies on the Sundeala question.  I went and ‘guested’ on a couple of other forums and discovered that what I was asking is a frequently asked thing.  Based on the answers across the net I will almost certainly go with good quality ply.  Thanks again to all who responded.

OK, moving on.  I still don’t have a track plan that I am even remotely happy with, so, I will let that slide for today.  However, comments on the following would be VERY welcome...

My current hobby project, a robotic video platform (which I really aught to finish before starting on the ‘train set’), has a surprising number of common features with model railroads.  It has got six channels, each with an electric motor at the end of it.  Two of those are actually servo’s and are feedback controlled so I have simply got to tell them where I want them to be.  However, the others, used for directional movement, need to be controlled separately.  I have written the software for this and all is good.  The interface with the motors is handled by ‘h-bridges’.  The chopper frequency (is that a suitable term?) is 2kHz.  I have done a million searches across a billion web sites and found little in the way of consensus.  Does anyone on here have REAL experience in this regard?  Specifically, is this system suitable for ‘N’ gauge loco’s and, if so, what is a suitable frequency to run at?  I would be looking at all the usual stuff with a strong bias towards slow running.  Also, I really don’t want to release the ‘magic smoke’ from the loco!!!  I have a bunch of pretty good DC power supplies that are happy to supply the inputs to my current h-bridges, so that side of it seems to be covered.  I could easily experiment and change the chopper frequency in software but I don’t know how long it takes to make a tiny ‘N’ gauge motor go bye-bye.

What is the principle of operation of ‘over the counter’ controllers anyhow?  Straight line up/down DC -  PWM - FM???  I should go and buy one and shove a ‘scope on it!

As an example of what I have found so far: the chopper frequency controlling the h-bridge should not exceed 800 Hz. But on another site I found that it should never be less than 2kHz!
Opinions, thoughts, even real knowledge would be most welcome.

Regards, Allan.....

erm.........what?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Geoff on January 23, 2015, 09:11:28 pm
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 23, 2015, 11:11:15 pm
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on January 23, 2015, 11:23:50 pm
As Churchill used to say " Everything should be explainable on the back
of an envelope".

When the chopper frequency meets the h -bridge via the servos the Earth Dies Screaming !
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 23, 2015, 11:39:29 pm
What he is saying is that he uses an electronic switch (h-bridge) to change the direction of movement of his servos. He feeds the bridge/servo with AC of frequency 2k Hz. The bridge would rectify this and pass to the servos. Is this suitable for controlling an N gauge loco. At least that's what I took it to mean. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on January 23, 2015, 11:51:46 pm
I just push a switch on my Gaugemaster Combi .... :D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 24, 2015, 01:44:40 am
What he is saying is that...
Not the servo's, the drive motors Malc.
I have found another couple of references since I made the first post on this.  Things are now NO CLEARER! Argh!

I am gonna just go ahead and set up some stuff on a breadboard and slap a 'scope on it and see what I can learn my self.  (unless someone on here can icsploon the bestest way to go).

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 24, 2015, 01:56:09 am
I just push a switch on my Gaugemaster Combi .... :D

...and why not!  ;D

I have an idea which I want to try out which needs the power to the rails to be controlled via a telemetry system.  Now everyone is wondering why I don't just go with DCC!  Well, it's a bit hard to explain, but if it all works, I'll explain it then.  But for now I will just say that I already have a system working that uses PWM and h-bridges.  If I can get it to work with the wee 'N' scale motors (without smoke) I am well on the way to what I am aiming at...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 24, 2015, 09:17:20 am
Be interested to see what you are doing when it is up and running.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 26, 2015, 06:06:36 pm
Well, I still know nothing minus a bit.  So, I am going to make a trip, later this week, to the local(ish) model shop.  I have decided to buy a Bachmann train set.  That will give me some stuff to play with, a loco, some wagons, some track and, most importantly right now, a basic controller.
I have placed an order for a stack of components to allow for the beginnings of my build.  Messing with the Bachman controller will let me set the parameters for the final build.  I suppose that is a step forward in some sense.

Meanwhile, in the real world, here is a sketch for a possible way forward of another kind...  As I have said before, a discussion document at this point.  PLEASE comment – I know nothing about the practical aspects of running a railway – either at scale or 1:1.
One of the things I would really welcome suggestions on is this...  How can I make the back scene work?  There is a station close to it and I need two tracks, one at each end, to go behind it.  I was thinking, Make the lower part a retaining wall and include two bridge/tunnel entrances.  Then step it back above and use some low profile buildings to complete the height (sky above as needed).  Would that work?  All and any suggestions welcome.  Oh yeah, the spurs that head off down and right could be maintenance area or industrial.....

What is the general opinion on the use of cassettes?  Seems a great idea to me.  Anyone experienced in this aspect?

Regards,
Allan.....
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Layout_1_zps4a50646b-1.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Layout_1_zps4a50646b-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on January 27, 2015, 11:12:48 am
Looks good Allan. Lots of exhibition layouts use cassettes - they can have several premade trains ready to go, so saves messing about. With regards to the layout, it looks reasonable, but the storage yards are a lot bigger than the headshunts, so you won't be able to put long trains in there without breaking them up into shorter lengths.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on January 27, 2015, 12:41:19 pm
If you intend to run small diesel shunters or steam locos (e.g.0-6-0) I'd suggest avoiding insulfrog points if possible.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: ScottyStitch on January 27, 2015, 01:22:40 pm
Well, I still know nothing minus a bit.  So, I am going to make a trip, later this week, to the local(ish) model shop.  I have decided to buy a Bachmann train set.  That will give me some stuff to play with, a loco, some wagons, some track and, most importantly right now, a basic controller.
I have placed an order for a stack of components to allow for the beginnings of my build.  Messing with the Bachman controller will let me set the parameters for the final build.  I suppose that is a step forward in some sense.

Meanwhile, in the real world, here is a sketch for a possible way forward of another kind...  As I have said before, a discussion document at this point.  PLEASE comment – I know nothing about the practical aspects of running a railway – either at scale or 1:1.
One of the things I would really welcome suggestions on is this...  How can I make the back scene work?  There is a station close to it and I need two tracks, one at each end, to go behind it.  I was thinking, Make the lower part a retaining wall and include two bridge/tunnel entrances.  Then step it back above and use some low profile buildings to complete the height (sky above as needed).  Would that work?  All and any suggestions welcome.  Oh yeah, the spurs that head off down and right could be maintenance area or industrial.....

What is the general opinion on the use of cassettes?  Seems a great idea to me.  Anyone experienced in this aspect?

Regards,
Allan.....
([url]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Layout_1_zps4a50646b-1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Layout_1_zps4a50646b-1.jpg.html[/url])


Cassettes are a great idea. With regard to the comment about length of headshunt versus length of storage yard cassette. How about instead of linking your two entries into the fiddle yard, you just make each one a dead end, with the cassette the complete siding. i.e. do away with both points in the fiddle yard. You'd get a bit more length then........ Make sense?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 27, 2015, 09:00:56 pm
...so you won't be able to put long trains in there without breaking them up into shorter lengths.
You are right Malc. My only comment on that is that I don't really think I will be running long trains anyhow. But, the expression 'famous last words' springs to mind. Thanks for the observation. I will have another look at that...

If you intend to run small diesel shunters or steam locos (e.g.0-6-0) I'd suggest avoiding insulfrog points if possible.
I do indeed have a small 0-6-0. I had decided not to use insulfrog components from the point of view of appearance, even before I started to learn about the electrical problems. Thanks for that.

...do away with both points in the fiddle yard. You'd get a bit more length then........ Make sense?
It does make sense, yes. I will look at that one. The only reason I am not all over it right now is that I like to watch the trains go by. With that in mind, I was seeing the 'behind the back scene route' as a longer run around. But, it's not that much longer, so, your idea could be a good way to go.  Thanks.

Things to think on - exactly why I posted on here. Thanks to all.

I went to the shop today and bought a wee train set - the Bachmann 2 car DMU.  I will get it nailed together (just on the table) for a quick check out tomorrow then look at getting the 'scope on the rails to see what the controller actually throws at the loco.  More on that to follow.....

Thanks again for the comments.  Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 30, 2015, 02:24:51 am
Re-think!  The comments I was able to get above prompted a re-think.
Also, I saw a potential flaw in my original plan which was to build a layout in my coffee table.  Once I had started thinking about the implications of working at near floor level I decided, 'Nah!'
That removed the strict 4' x 2' limit.  Still can't go huge but what a difference an extra 6" makes! (there's a joke in there somewhere, but I will resist it)...

On the other side of things, I nailed my little oval of track together and played with did a couple of hours run in with my new DMU.  I also did a few laps with the second hand shunter I got on eBay, that went well too.  So, I was able to start investigating the output of the Bachmann controller - a long way to go on that project but I feel better now that I have started.

I have a load of parts on order for my robot project. They are coming from China so may take a while.  When they come in I will be off the train thing for a short while until that is done and out of the way.  However, the same component order includes some of the stuff that will become part of the layout control system.

Here is the latest diagram. As before, comments please...
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Layout-3A_zpsd7bb78c8.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Layout-3A_zpsd7bb78c8.jpg.html)
Regards,
Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 08, 2015, 10:40:31 pm
Right then...  The components I have been waiting for have started to come in.  I built a couple of controllers yesterday.  I have compared the outputs with that of the one that came with the Bachmann train set I bought a week or two back. Much the same according to my multimeter and my  oscilloscope. Good start! More on that in the next day or three.

I have been filling the time messing around with a program called 'Model Builder'.  I can't make my mind up on that one.  Has anyone tried it?  What do you think?

To get some materials to use with Model Builder output I decided to call in to a local framing shop.  We are not well served locally with art supply shops.  Chatting to the man in there, I quickly learned that I needed much less than a full sheet of this stuff.  He said, 'Will this do for you?' as he handed me a large pile of off cuts.  The smallest was around A5, largest around A4.  I suspect that I have enough to scratch build every structure that I am planning for my layout - what a nice man!  He wouldn't let me pay for what he insisted was pure scrap anyhow and told me that if I had called in a day earlier I could have had a complete bin load of the stuff...

So, now I am about ready to think about the wood butchery phase. 
Look out B&Q, I'm a comin' atcha!  You have been warned...

More soon, regards...

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: DarthBadger on February 10, 2015, 07:53:13 am
Frooty as a Nut-Cake!

Has Spike Milligan been reincarnated?

 :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 10, 2015, 09:06:57 pm
Woah! For a moment there I though someone by the name of 'DarthBadger' was actually questioning MY sanity! Must have imagined it...  ;)
Pics will follow as soon as there is something to take pics of.
(What kind of name is Darth anyhow? Bert Badger, Bill Badger, even Boogaloo Badger... But Darth? For a blurry BADGER? Mind, Darth Donkey would work, Darth Dingo... DarthBadger, not so much mate - get a proper name, like what I done!)

Frooty as a Nut-Cake!

Has Spike Milligan been reincarnated?

 :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 18, 2015, 10:15:07 pm
This weather is KILLING me!  Due to my location I need to do the baseboard construction aspect of my layout outside. You know, paint, sawdust, drill dust - all those wonderful man-ish smells and noises... (By the way, why do the women in my life always think that 'man-ish smells and noises' are all biological?)  There is going to be a summer eventually isn't there?  Well, I would settle for a reasonable chance of a couple of days without rain really.  Anyone on here got any degree of influence in that direction?

Well, OK, for now I'll settle for going to Glasgow at the week end for the exhibition.  Anyone else going?

Regards, Allan..... (with a heavy sigh and a rude gesture out of the window at the weather)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 25, 2015, 04:56:26 pm
Like I said :laughabovepost: up there... The weather is doing my head in.  I want to get a baseboard under way.  The result of the problem is that I have become hooked on making card models.  The Metcalfe range is my inspiration right now.  After doing a couple of those I have started to design and draw my own.  Fairly small units so far but the techniques and methods learned from those kits is standing me in good stead.  There is a lot of satisfaction in knowing that my layout will (eventually) have some unique buildings on it.  Another good source of inspiration was the Glasgow exhibition where I was able to see how others do it.  It was a good show, well worth the trip, despite the evil weather experienced on the drive back towards the right coast. (That's the right coast as opposed to the left coast - no offence Glasgow)
OK, the real point of this post - is it possible to become addicted to building card models? (perhaps it's the smell of the Roket, UHU or the PVA?)
Right then, Back to drawing a few more buildings and then print and glue!  If these work out as well as I hope, perhaps even a picture or two in a few days. (unless there is a magical change in the weather!)

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 21, 2015, 01:54:59 am
YES!  I finally got the bits and am now well started on building a baseboard!!!  I gave up on waiting for a day or two of good weather and got it all ready at the door so that I could grab an hour here and two minutes there.  It's been frantic but it's almost ready to slap a bit of paint on.
I have also just about finished building a double controller with block select switches.  Still need to make a decision as to whether I will use a radio link and make the control panels completely wireless.  Did I hear someone say 'overkill!'?  OK, might have been me that said that.

Right then, before anyone asks, I will post a couple of pics real soon - like, once I get a slap of paint on the board and once the knobs arrive for the controller.

At last, I can get on with something! 

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 25, 2015, 02:44:50 am
Dear Fellow Members of the forum,

This is a formal request for permission to get really HACKED OFF!
The knobs and a couple of minor parts that I need to complete my controller/block-switcher are now one week overdue on delivery date.  The following is a rough diary of today's events:

1)  eBay message sent to vendor...
2)  Reply received almost immediately.  I was told that items were sent, tracking number advised...
3)  Checked with RM tracking site.  Yes, items had been sent and were 'in our system for delivery'...
4)  Second message from vendor, please confirm address...  Did this, vendor confirmed IMMEDIATELY that items were sent to the correct address...
5)  Decided to call RM customer service number...

Them:   Can I help you?
Me:       I hope so!  I am trying to trace a package - tracking number XXnnnnnnnnnnnXX
Them:   That item is in our system for delivery, yes...
Me:       Good, so when can I expect to receive it?
Them:   Oh, I am sure you will receive it soon...
Me:       It was sent 6 days ago, First Class.  Expected 24/48 hour delivery!
Them:   That's what we try for, yes.  But we don't guarantee a delivery date you know!
Me:       OK, can you tell me where it is then please...
Them:   Let me see... Ah!  Right, well, it was sent First Class 'Signed For'...
Me:       And, it is where?
Them:   I can't tell you that, It was sent First Class 'Signed For' but tracking was not paid for...
Me:       So you don't know where it is?  Is it lost?
Them:   Oh NO!  I know exactly where it is but I can't tell you because tracking was not paid for...
Me: (getting frustrated)  OK, then give me an idea of when I can expect delivery then please...
Them:   Oh, I am sure you will receive it soon...  Is there anything else I can help you with?
Me:       Uh, you have to help me with a 'first thing' before you can help with 'anything else'...
Them:   Well, I am sure you will receive it soon...  So, is there anything else I can help you with?
I hung up.....

6)  Messaged vendor re call as above...
7)  Received reply in 15 mins with copy of message sent to RM by vendor asking for details of package progress.  He has also offered to re-send items.

I have said to allow two more days before re-sending.

So, permission to get hacked off please?
Should I phone Her Maj to discuss what these people are doing in her name?

My dis- has never been so gruntled!!!

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Sprintex on March 25, 2015, 09:09:11 am
Only six days and that includes a weekend? Not particularly unusual, I usually leave it at least seven working days before chasing anything. As RM rightly say there's no guarantee unless you pay for Special Delivery. Just the luck of the draw sometimes ;)


Paul
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 26, 2015, 06:03:43 pm
Only six days and that includes a weekend? Not particularly unusual, I usually leave it at least seven working days before chasing anything. As RM rightly say there's no guarantee unless you pay for Special Delivery. Just the luck of the draw sometimes ;)


Paul

Just because it's not unusual doesn't make it ok though.  Particularly when the website talks about '1st class signed for' as being a 'Aim to deliver next working day' service.  The package was mailed before 10am on the 18th, just a couple of hundred miles from my address.


On the other hand, my baseboard is now at the point where I can buy the track and points to work out where I need to mount the underneath parts.  I want to get that done so that I can see where the stiffening members will go while not interfering with points motors and such interesting hanging down bits.

Also, thinking about the 3D aspect.   I don't think I want to get into grading the track but level variation in the scenic side of things is surely necessary for interest.  I'm running a little scared in this right now - just not sure where to start...

Oh no! Just realised - I'm planning to buy the track etc. on the net - Royal Mail again?  Fingers crossed.....

Allan.....

edit!  Ok, who moved my speel chucker???
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on March 27, 2015, 02:06:15 am
Zen,
and the Art of Model making ?

Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 27, 2015, 08:08:06 am
I'll go for the Zen idea, but, only if they have ninjas!!!   :headbutt:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on March 27, 2015, 09:01:14 am
So how are the controllers progressing now?
WRT the track, it is sometimes best to go to a show ans see what you can get, saves on postage. I've used Hattons, Rails and Cheltenham Model shop for stuff, they are pretty good at delivering on time. Other modelshops are available etc.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 27, 2015, 12:56:15 pm
So how are the controllers progressing now?
WRT the track, it is sometimes best to go to a show ans see what you can get, saves on postage. I've used Hattons, Rails and Cheltenham Model shop for stuff, they are pretty good at delivering on time. Other modelshops are available etc.

Hi Malc,
Well, I have a double barreled controller working right now. Looks a bit desperate coz I want to get my hands on the parts that I am waiting (and waiting) for.  I don't want to finalise the front panel until then.  (A couple of control knobs and a switch)  It's all working electronically speaking but sort of hanging in mid air.  I am so reluctant to drill the panel without everything on the bench in front of me - there ain't a lot of spare space in there!
I am experimenting with some digital potentiometers so the remote, wireless, option is still a possible future change... No rush on that though.

Regarding track, well, I don't know if a show is a real option. Not too many of those available close by.  I may have missed my best chance there when I went to the Glasgow one.  I was too taken up checking the layouts to spend much time with traders.  I have my purchase list ready and I'll likely commit to one of the suppliers on the list that you mentioned.  I have looked at two of those sites in passing already.

Thanks for your interest, regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on March 27, 2015, 02:23:00 pm
Hi Allan, re the digital potentiometers, would these be rotory optical transducers, grey code possibly?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 27, 2015, 03:23:45 pm
Take a look at these Malc.....    https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10613 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10613)

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 03, 2015, 02:30:27 pm
I have to say, my railroad looks doomed!  The switches mentioned above did arrive, last Tuesday.  However, on Monday, I was 'ambulanced' in to hospital with what turned out to be a kidney stone.  The consultant surgeon says:
A) it's too small, or large or loud or flowery or something for surgical intervention.
B) it's not life threatening so I have to wait for it to pass 'through normal channels'. His words, not mine...

Am I ever gonna get some track down on my nice new baseboard?

Oh woe is me!!!

Nah! A few days and back at it...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Caz on April 03, 2015, 02:38:27 pm
I have to say, my railroad looks doomed!  The switches mentioned above did arrive, last Tuesday.  However, on Monday, I was 'ambulanced' in to hospital with what turned out to be a kidney stone.  The consultant surgeon says:
A) it's too small, or large or loud or flowery or something for surgical intervention.
B) it's not life threatening so I have to wait for it to pass 'through normal channels'. His words, not mine...

Am I ever gonna get some track down on my nice new baseboard?

Oh woe is me!!!

Nah! A few days and back at it...

Regards, Allan.....

Sorry to hear of your woes Allan, you could always make the best of it and use the stones to make your own ballast.  Sorry, couldn't resist it, I'll get me coat.   :whiteflag:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on April 03, 2015, 02:39:51 pm
If you have to wait for nature to take its course, you'd better brace yourself, it will make your eyes water. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on April 03, 2015, 02:43:26 pm
Sorry to hear that, Allan.
Probably best line your toilet pan with some impact-absorbent material, too :worried:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: jonclox on April 04, 2015, 11:19:07 am
However, on Monday, I was 'ambulanced' in to hospital with what turned out to be a kidney stone.  The consultant surgeon says:
A) it's too small, or large or loud or flowery or something for surgical intervention.
B) it's not life threatening so I have to wait for it to pass 'through normal channels'. His words, not mine...


Regards, Allan.....
Ouch   I had one of those some years ago...not nice
My GP at the time gave me an ejection that put me to sleep for 24 hours instantly.
When I woke up the stone had moved through and in just a few days I was back at work as per normal
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on April 04, 2015, 11:22:18 am
These days Jon, what with the cut backs etc, they wack you over the back of the head with a length of 4 x 2.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: jonclox on April 04, 2015, 11:43:19 am
These days Jon, what with the cut backs etc, they wack you over the back of the head with a length of 4 x 2.
Now why dosnt that surprise me  :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 04, 2015, 11:57:10 am
As it 'appens, I did suggest to the doc in the 'ospital that they knock me out till it's all over.  Seems that approach is now out of favour.  I like the sound of it though.  But they just gave me another shot of morphine!  So now it's just a case of being stood standing walking about till it all happens...
They tell me the rock is 3mm in size.  That is at 1:1 - now if it was at 1:148... Ah well...

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on April 04, 2015, 12:18:35 pm
They tell me the rock is 3mm in size.  That is at 1:1 - now if it was at 1:148
Eeek ! Be pleased that it isnt, that would be 18" at 1:148,
passing that would make you squint a bit !!!  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on April 04, 2015, 02:07:02 pm
They tell me the rock is 3mm in size.
I think 3mm would make your eyes water, never mind squint. It would hurt enough if it were a stone in your shoe.  I would drink plenty of water and try to flush it out. If you hear a ricochet noise at the appropriate time, you will know it's gone.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on April 04, 2015, 04:08:34 pm
Safety goggles when taking a leak may also be in order :goggleeyes:
Shouldn't laugh really as I had a kidney stone when I was 8 years old and in those days there was no laser process to break them up so, to paraphrase George Harrison, "All things must pass" :ouch:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2015, 12:26:29 am
Little Elvis was afraid. He knew it had to happen and that it would make things better, yet he feared it.
It began!
"Holy crap!" He hollered...
"What's up big guy?" Asked Lefty, one of the Bagg twins.
"It's like being stuck between a hard thing and a hard place..." responded Little El...
"Don't you mean a rock and a hard place?" asked Lefty...
"Not really," responded El, "the rock has been sort of internalized in all of this."
But eventually, as is the way of these things, it had not come to stay - it had come to pass, and the announcement was made...
"THE BUILDING HAS LEFT LITTLE ELVIS!"
---------------------------------------------
Yeah, it's gone. And yeah, it did make me squint and it made my eyes water. While it wasn't in my shoe Malc, I think it still made me limp!!!
It's left me worn out but a few days will see me back at it...
Thanks to all who have been reading the saga and particularly those who commented...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on April 08, 2015, 12:41:29 am
Yeah, it's gone.
:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Malc said about drinking plenty of water
I wondered if I should suggest lots of hydrochloric acid ( to try to dissolve it ! ?) but thought there is only so much humour you need in such a situation - so I didnt !

Good news that it is all over :) ! Without ricochet.
Verily, it is said, that "all things must come to pass ", Joshua  ?  :)



Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2015, 09:43:55 am
Glad to hear 'tis gone, Allan, and hope you're on the mend now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: jonclox on April 08, 2015, 11:04:13 am
 :claphappy: :claphappy: Great news. I`m sure you will feel better with its loss
Did you keep it as a souvenir ?  :worried:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2015, 11:45:34 am
Did you keep it as a souvenir ?

No!  At the end of the 'process' it came in a bit of a rush that I wasn't quite expecting and ended up in the porcelain receptacle.  I made an executive decision and let it proceed on it's way.  I am told that I should have been making strategic use of a tea strainer but I didn't.

I had told a close friend that I was going to have it set into a ring for her.  Strangely, she seemed relieved when I told her that it had gone for ever.  Women huh?  Who understands them?  I would have thought that she would have been ---......... Ok, never mind, possibly not...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2015, 12:35:45 pm
Let's hope it's not a danger to shipping when it gets out into the Channel. We don't want another 'Titanic' occurrence :no: :worried:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2015, 12:50:26 pm
Yoiks!  Do the bu++#rs float?  I didn't consider that...

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on April 08, 2015, 02:14:53 pm
Glad everything turned out OK Allan. Not a very nice situation to be in, but a good result.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2015, 03:35:09 pm
Thanx Malc.  Another couple of days rest and I should be back to what passes for normal...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on April 08, 2015, 04:16:29 pm
Don't mention "passes"
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 02, 2015, 03:55:05 pm
Aye, well...  Things seemed to have slowed down a bit since my adventure with the rock and the soft place.  But, back at it now.  Just waiting for one more set of parts to complete the controller.  I still need to install some indicator LED's on the panel but it is fully tested and working with my test plank and a loop of track.  It is a dual unit with switches to direct either 'channel' to any combination of four blocks of track.  The components that I am waiting for now are slider switches that I will mount on the back panel to allow me to flip the polarity of the output to each block.  This is in addition to the 'forward/off/reverse' switches on the front of the unit and will really be an aid to setting up the layout in the first place.  If I have my head on the right way round I will only ever have to switch that aspect of each block once if at all.  I decided to add this when I also decided to use a 9 pin 'D' connector to bring out the block voltages.  I don't like working/re-working the connections to those things!
I am not happy with the case that it is all going into however.  On a visit to Maplin, (I don't like that place but I needed something in a hurry) I spotted a project case that looked right for something or other and gave in  to temptation.  Once I got to the stage of opening it up, I found that it was actually a case built for something specific and was fitted with a number of moulded in support pillars which had to be 'Dremeled' out.  The front and back panels were an after thought and were slightly over size and a little too thick for the location slot provided.  It took a fair bit of re-work to get the damn thing to even go together and that was before preparing it for the project!  Done now however.

Now, here's a thing...  My forced time off got me thinking again about the actual layout.  No serious changes in the basic track plan but I think I would like to move away from the strictly flat board that was the original concept.  Oh, I would have added a hill or two but I am now thinking about going below rail level as well as above it.  With that in mind I looked at a few websites and a few magazines/books.  ARGH! 

The synopsis of my research is this: 
'the only way to do it is with product X' / 'whatever you do, don't use product X'
'product 'Y' is the only way to go' / 'product 'Y' really stinks - do NOT use it!'
'I love product 'Z' and it's on all my layouts' / 'product 'Z' is the worst thing I ever tried!'

What I think I want to do is add a couple of inches of rigid foam to the top of the baseboard so that I can add a bit of contouring and possibly a canal/river scene below the rail level.  Does that make any kind of sense?  If so, what's the best product to use to achieve this?  I don't want anything dramatic, just a gentle rolling countryside, so I am thinking foam sheeting covering the entire board then sculpted with a sanding block.  I am not a big fan of that nasty polystyrene stuff made with the tiny static charged balls that get everywhere.
Has anyone done that?  Did it come out well?  What did you use?  Any and all suggestions welcome...

OK, off to see about the indicators for the controller panel before some booger starts hollerin' the inevitable 'Pictures Please!'

It's good to be back at it.
Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on May 02, 2015, 07:49:21 pm
A lot of modellers don't actually use a baseboard, but make an open frame and fit the track to profiled track beds that hand in space. That way, they construct hills and valleys around the track. Have a look at some of the you tube videos of American layouts.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 02, 2015, 09:23:44 pm
Remember to use tricks such as:-

Instead of raising the land by 2" to pass over a railway line you can sink the line by 1" and raise the land by 1" thus still getting the clearance required and not having to gouge out so much material. This would also apply to rivers if you intend one.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 03, 2015, 04:08:56 am
A lot of modellers don't actually use a baseboard, but make an open frame and fit the track to profiled track beds that hand in space. That way, they construct hills and valleys around the track. Have a look at some of the you tube videos of American layouts.

I have seen some of those vids.  Very impressive indeed.  However, I already have the flat baseboard built.  Probably just as well coz I might have been tempted and I don't honestly think I am up to the level of doing one of those you mention.  Nah, I will be very happy if I can get hold of a suitable type of foam material and go for the rolling countryside look.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 03, 2015, 04:16:00 am
Remember to use tricks such as:-

Instead of raising the land by 2" to pass over a railway line you can sink the line by 1" and raise the land by 1" thus still getting the clearance required and not having to gouge out so much material. This would also apply to rivers if you intend one.

I have no idea what will happen in the vertical dimension yet!  I do need to get hold of some kind of material to make it out of though.  That's the first step.  Something that can be formed with a sander or a rasp or a breadknife even.  Even Auntie Maud's false teeth if I had to...
This is all a new concept for me so possibly a trip to the builders merchant would be in order.  Thanks for the tips...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 03, 2015, 11:14:35 am
Even Auntie Maud's false teeth if I had to...

Poor Auntie Maud :(
She'll be foaming at the mouth afterwards :laugh:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on May 03, 2015, 11:20:07 am
It'll take more than sterradent to get the bits out! :D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: railsquid on May 03, 2015, 01:54:10 pm
I too am of the flat baseboard persuasion; my plans, if I can call my vague ideas such, involve layers of what in Japan is marketed as "Styrofoam", which is a firm, slightly brittle polystyrene-like blue-coloured substance which can be carved much more easily (apparently, I haven't actually tried it yet) than the kind of white polystyrene which fragments easily into those little static-charged balls. It's widely used in Japan for modelling and can be cut with a knife or a polystyrene cutter (basically a heated filament). Smaller blocks are available in model shops etc, and larger sheets (actually meant for insulation) are also available from my local building supply centre . I presume it's available in the UK but can't be sure.

Edited to add: better known as "extruded polystyrene".
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 03, 2015, 02:23:59 pm
I too am of the flat baseboard persuasion; my plans, if I can call my vague ideas such, involve layers of what in Japan is marketed as "Styrofoam", which is a firm, slightly brittle polystyrene-like blue-coloured substance which can be carved much more easily (apparently, I haven't actually tried it yet) than the kind of white polystyrene which fragments easily into those little static-charged balls. It's widely used in Japan for modelling and can be cut with a knife or a polystyrene cutter (basically a heated filament). Smaller blocks are available in model shops etc, and larger sheets (actually meant for insulation) are also available from my local building supply centre . I presume it's available in the UK but can't be sure.

Edited to add: better known as "extruded polystyrene".

I think I know the stuff you mean.  Yes, a trip to the builders merchants is in my future - near future even!   Thanks for a sane and constructive reply as opposed to the ones from the two reprobates above.  They have got me considering even more wayout plans for Auntie Maud's gnashers.  That would make 'em think twice about how and where they sit down for a few days!

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 03, 2015, 05:22:28 pm
There's no way your Aunt Mauds gnashers are coming anywhere near my situpon :no:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 03, 2015, 06:08:20 pm
There's no way your Aunt Mauds gnashers are coming anywhere near my situpon :no:

Strangely enough, she said that too!  But she also said she was gonna buy a train set so that she could come on here and see what other plans exist with regard to her spare parts... (plastic hips, glass eye, wig etc.)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 11, 2015, 03:53:09 pm
My controller is all finished, working and has posed for photographs.  When I say finished I mean with the exception of its final knobs.  For now it has borrowed a pair from an audio mixer project that I have had at the back of the bench for a l-o-n-g time... :-[  The 'lid' retaining screws are out for now as it is about to show its 'workings' to the camera.  This is the reason for the slight misalignment on the right side of the first pic.

The unit has two channels (cabs - have I got the right expression?) each of which can be attached to any combination of the four areas (blocks - again, correct expression?) of my proposed layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24838.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24838)
The sharp end...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24837.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24837)
The nether regions...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24839.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24839)
The innards...

The guts of the thing was originally designed from the ground up and then I realised that what I had come up with could be easily built by using some parts already available on eBay.  I got hold of a few test pieces, did a swift re-design based on the supplied PCBs and tried 'em out.  A few evenings substituting components and I got what I wanted.  I should add that buying the modules on eBay as complete kits, including PCBs, worked out cheaper than buying the components alone from various on line suppliers - easier too.

The front panel was made by drawing it up in a cad package.  It was then printed and laminated before being trimmed and attached to the panel.  I had printed two copies and temporarily attached the paper copy to the panel to guide the drilling stage.

I decided to add polarity reversal switches to the block outputs.  This was because I wanted to use the 'D' type connector and the switches would make things easier, as opposed to messing around with bus wires, at the track laying stage.

I have run the unit with both cabs working and with a two channel digital temperature probe on the heat sinks and saw no adverse effect so I am quite happy to say that the thing seems to be ready to go to work.

I guess that I now have no excuse for not getting a track order placed.  I have never done track laying and have been strangely scared by the concept.  Time to place that order!!!!!

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Caz on May 11, 2015, 06:29:00 pm
That's some box of tricks you've constructed there Alan, most impressive, glad I've gone DCC and buy ready made controllers, making one like yours looks a bit scary.

 :greatwork:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 11, 2015, 06:43:11 pm
...looks a bit scary.

Ye think? LOL... Wait till you see the points control system I have in mind.  'Terror' might be the word then!

Thanx for your post, regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: scotsoft on May 11, 2015, 06:54:21 pm
Hi Allan,

What you are doing is so far above my head but it looks very good  :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2015, 09:22:53 pm
That's a super neat box of tricks for DC cab control, Allan, especially as you have all the section switches built into the unit :thumbsup:
I'm slightly baffled, though.
If you can make such a good job of that I really don't see track laying holding any terrors for you. I'd just suggest you take it slowly and have all the right tools to hand before starting.
Oh, and you'll soon be finding out what 'Fishplate Finger' is >:D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on May 12, 2015, 07:34:47 am
Very neat and commendable electronics work there.  :thumbsup:

I note you have used a toroid in there. A local electronics chain here in Oz have a whole range at half price during May.... I have no immediate use for one at the moment, but am most tempted by the price!

Once again, congrats on a very professional unit you have constructed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 13, 2015, 12:42:31 am
Thanks for all the comments on the controller thingie.  However, it signals the end of an era...
Time to move on I'm afraid.  All good stuff comes to an end eventually.  **sounds of a heavy sigh**  It's almost time to nail the door up on this thread...

I placed an order for trackish bits and pieces today.  Finishing the build on the controller removed my last excuse for not getting on with it.  Almost time for a move over to a 'building' thread rather than this 'planning' one.  If the Royal Mail do their thing as they sort of promise I could have my new toys by the week end.  I'm still not sure what I will do about the third dimension on the baseboard but I am looking at getting hold of some foam sheeting, possibly even tomorrow, so that I can carve out some sort of waterway.  I need to get that down before I start any sort of serious track laying.

D'ye ever wish your hobby interests lay more in the direction of knitting?  I wonder if I could develop an interest in collecting labels off soup tins?  Hmmmmm.....

Again, thanks for the great comments, regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2015, 10:58:35 am

D'ye ever wish your hobby interests lay more in the direction of knitting?  I wonder if I could develop an interest in collecting labels off soup tins?  Hmmmmm.....


When I see the amazing standards of some layouts on the forum, origami seems to be calling to me :-[
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 13, 2015, 01:23:33 pm
...origami seems to be calling to me :-[
I have a two fold interest in origami...

Sorry, - - - TAXI!.....  :-X
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2015, 05:02:49 pm
...origami seems to be calling to me :-[
I have a two fold interest in origami...

Sorry, - - - TAXI!.....  :-X

That's just the beginners stage :P
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 13, 2015, 05:10:44 pm
That's just the beginners stage :P

Hold on, I'll slide over a bit. You can share my transport. Hat, coat, TAXI FOR TWO!  :-X  :-X
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 14, 2015, 01:30:10 pm
Arghhhhhhhhh... Just received 2 packages, one by RM, one by courier.  Track, points and joiners.
Blurry 'ell!  That's all I have to say about that... Well, for now anyhow.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2015, 01:41:13 pm
Arghhhhhhhhh... Just received 2 packages, one by RM, one by courier.  Track, points and joiners.
Blurry 'ell!  That's all I have to say about that... Well, for now anyhow.....

....and so the fun begins :D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 14, 2015, 02:36:16 pm

....and so the fun begins :D
Aye, here's my plan :
Make cup of tea... Drink it.
Go out to shops.
Get back, make cup of tea... Drink it.
Tidy kitchen.
Get something out of freezer for supper.
Cook and eat said nosh.
Make cup of tea... Drink it.
Quite a busy day really.

Oh gosh! Hardly got time to even look at the new stuff really, maybe tomorrow...
Tired out just thinking about it - oh well...

Regards, Allan.....   ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 17, 2015, 04:47:28 am
OK, so I have now glued, no - make that soldered - a couple of bits of track together.  They ain't attached to the baseboard at all though.  Does that mean that I am building a layout now or does an attachment to the board have to be part of the equation for that?
I am just trying to establish whether I have now entered the stratospheric heights of the builders fraternity and left the 'planning level' behind.
Thinking about it, I am probably in some kind of limbo, stuck between the two, neither one nor the other.  I need to get some glue or track pins and attach a length of track to the board and get with the program.

What is actually going on is that I have clipped and soldered some track pieces together to check whether I have understood the principle of the electrofrog!!!  I seem to have got that under some degree of control so I just now placed an order for some point motors (Seep, with built in switch) and a CDU.  Should be here early next week.  Then, stuff starts getting attached to the board.  At that point - wait for it - drum roll please - new thread! Yeah!

Oh, and, almost forgot, OK knobberator, I think I discovered what you meant by 'fishplate finger'... Well, 'thumb' to be more exact...  I was leaving bloody red smear marks all over the area when I was putting the rails together anyhow.  Using a wee bent nosed pliers to slide the little boogers around now though.

OK, enough already - bed time.

S'long all, regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: martink on May 17, 2015, 06:50:07 am
Oh, and, almost forgot, OK knobberator, I think I discovered what you meant by 'fishplate finger'... Well, 'thumb' to be more exact...  I was leaving bloody red smear marks all over the area when I was putting the rails together anyhow. 
Every successful layout needs a blood sacrifice.  Mine usually comes from a large wood rasp drawn across the knuckles.  Other people I know seem to prefer hammering thumbs, cuts on their heads from banging them against the underframe or burnt fingers from a soldering iron.  Each to their own.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on May 17, 2015, 07:17:33 am
Try upsidedown soldering and the solder drips in your eye. That was a favourite of mine and no doubt contributed to the fact I now wear glasses (gettin' on too, of course)  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 20, 2015, 05:30:23 pm
Well then, I have started attaching rail to board. In one interpretation I guess I should be posting in the 'building' area but something came up.
As soon as I started to lay out track I started to think,  "No, no! Way too busy!".   I believe I am a 'less is more' kind of a person. So, I have taken the basis of the original plan and removed a lot of it. I am now designing it on the fly. I don't currently have a problem with doing it that way because I am just using the various aspects that I had thought through previously. It's a slow process though. However, another day or two should see a complete loop in place with a few points leading off to the rest of it.  If it all tests out at that stage I will be able to say that I am really building a layout and I'll open a new thread.  Who knows, I may even be able to post a few pics too.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 25, 2015, 02:15:37 pm
"I'm ALIVE!" said the little engine as it started to move along the track.  It felt quite chuffed with itself.
Truth be told, I was quite chuffed with it too.  It's all still a bit delicate.  I need to put a few braces under the base board - that's been on hold while I worked out exactly where the Seeps were going to end up.  Got the points nailed down now though - just a couple of lengths of track to lay for the last sidings.  So, just about there.  Heading to the wood place tomorrow.  I'll pick up a tin of 'slap' as some of the ladies call it.  Just basic earthy brown(ish) for now to get the board sealed.  The mounting bolts should arrive for the Seeps in the next day or two then I will clear up a bit and get some pics going.

The feeling of satisfaction when the loco moved off under the influence of the self built controller was so good!  Do you remember the first twitch of motion on your own first layout?

So, now I need to think about some kind of display set up for the points switches that I would also like to show the 'live' block status.  Indication of the status of (future) signals would be nice too.  Some of the components to knock up the power supplies for signals, lights and any other extras came at the week end so that needs nailing together too...

So much to do - so little time!!!  But I did take a few minutes off over the last few evenings to draw this up:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/logo_zpshtwtndjj.png) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/logo_zpshtwtndjj.png.html)
N&WA - Nay Way!

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 15, 2015, 01:12:43 am
Hi folks.  Well, I'm getting a bit twitchy here.  As I reported in the last update, I got some track down and got a couple of trains to go around the big loop in what had become the simplified version of my original track plan.  I was also waiting for a few bit and bobs to build my auxiliary power supplies.  All change!

I am NOT happy with the track plan as it now is.  I have left it alone for a few days and carried on with building the power supplies in the hope that all would become clear regarding the track situation.  Nah, not happy at all but I can't actually put a finger on quite what I don't like about it.  It is workable, there are no areas that just don't work.  But I don't like it!  Fortunately the glue I used to stick the track down seems likely to be easily removable so I think tomorrow could be the day it all comes up again.  Better to do that now before going too far into the build I think.

Is it at all normal to get this 'don't like it' feeling at the early stages?  Might it just be that I was unable to get the mental picture right in my head and the reality doesn't match what I thought I saw on the screen?  Any how, I think I have learned a lot from seeing some track on the board and I have a stack of track lying here looking back at me so off to AnyRail for another go I think...

I will play around with the layout software for a while between spasms of building the PSU's and, I feel sure, get it closer to right next iteration.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: railsquid on June 15, 2015, 01:54:15 am
Is it at all normal to get this 'don't like it' feeling at the early stages?  Might it just be that I was unable to get the mental picture right in my head and the reality doesn't match what I thought I saw on the screen?  Any how, I think I have learned a lot from seeing some track on the board and I have a stack of track lying here looking back at me so off to AnyRail for another go I think...

Definitely normal, unless maybe you're modelling a specific prototype. Personally I'm glad I've been faffing around for months rather than go with my original idea.  What looks good on paper/screen doesn't always translate satisfactorily into reality.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 15, 2015, 10:18:51 am
Totally agree with Squiddy.
My first incarnation of Kimbolted had the branch line at a lower level and the 2 main lines running on an upper level but I wasn't happy with it and now have switched them over completely so the branch is upper level with the main loops below. Although this latest plan is good, the interior of the branch line i.e. goods yard, loco shed and industries still eludes my seal of approval despite the passing of a year or so and many plans being scrapped. ::)
One day it will be to my liking :hmmm:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Tdm on June 15, 2015, 10:53:08 am
Been changing the design of my layout virtually monthly since I put the 1st piece of track down two years ago. Don't think I'll ever be satisfied till I get more space in which to design a much bigger layout with at least 4 main lines with trains running round each.

Regularly changing your layout is all part of the fun.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 23, 2015, 07:17:11 pm
You may have seen the CAB controller I built and showed on here.  I did manage to get a loop of track working using it.  All good stuff.  For various reasons that I can't quite put a finger on I have not been happy with the start of the layout build.  So, I decided to back off a bit and play with some ideas I have had in my mind for a while in the hope that the layout itches would go away or resolve themselves.

The things I wanted to play with required a selection of voltages and I have been wiring and unwiring a selection of power supplies.  I got fed up with that and, realising that I would need volts for various parts of the layout when it did get properly started, I decided to build a fairly universal unit.

It has four 'channels' and actually consists of four separate PSU's sharing a box.  I built it that way because I had a few transformers that I bought some time ago on eBay at a very good price.  Each 'channel' has its own fuse and volt meter.  The knobs and the output switch allow the voltages to be pre-set before being sent to the back panel connectors.

With the CAB controller in mind it seemed to make sense to match the units as far as possible.  Here is the result of that exercise.....
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0030_zpsrbrqega8.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0030_zpsrbrqega8.jpg.html)

From the front.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0032_zpsntlxas9u.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0032_zpsntlxas9u.jpg.html)
From the back.

And the guts of it...
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0029_zpsc1usro5x.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0029_zpsc1usro5x.jpg.html)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0031_zpsrt2jy1or.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0031_zpsrt2jy1or.jpg.html)
Here is the family photo...

In addition to the four outputs shown there is also an AC output to power my CDU.  The only reason for using red and black terminals on that output is that I had them on hand.  Because it is AC there is no significance otherwise.

Keeps me off street corners doncha know...

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 23, 2015, 09:19:18 pm
That is absolutely gobsmacking, Allan :jawdropping:
Superb work!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on June 23, 2015, 09:45:44 pm
Very professional looking Allan. Spot on!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Webbo on June 24, 2015, 09:48:19 am
Dunno Allan.

If you don't like the plan best to get it sorted as it will gnaw at your soul forever.

I've had the same sorts of thoughts as you in fact they are continuing even though I've moved on to other problems past the stage of where the track should go. A lot of the problems of how to proceed were sorted out by contemplating things with a glass of red in hand or staring at the ceiling at 3 am.

I was an unashamed Luddite when it came to track planning. Tried some software called 3D Planit and decided that it was much less versatile than a pencil, eraser (rubber), and graph paper. Then translated the plan onto a full scale drawing on which more changes were made. 

Coming up with my initial layout plan proved to be the hardest step of all. If it doesn't happen for you right away then keep trying.

Webbo 
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 24, 2015, 08:41:47 pm
... If you don't like the plan best to get it sorted as it will gnaw at your soul forever....

Webbo
But... I don't want to have my soul gnawed at for ever!  I know what that's like. I had my soul gnawed at forever before, but I'm not married now.
Thank you for the warning.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 24, 2015, 09:36:23 pm
... If you don't like the plan best to get it sorted as it will gnaw at your soul forever....

Webbo
But... I don't want to have my soul gnawed at for ever!  I know what that's like. I had my soul gnawed at forever before, but I'm not married now.
Thank you for the warning.....

 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing:
(from another happy divorcee)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 29, 2015, 01:37:52 am
Amazing what one can learn in this hobby. Today I learned that lifting track after its been glued down ain't much fun. However, what I would like to learn tomorrow, or sooner even, is, what is the best glue to use to stick expanded polystyrene sheeting to a plywood base board... And, will that same glue stick the sheets to each other?

I ask this because I have some very bad memories of using a particular glue that the pillock in a model shop said was good for what I wanted to do - what I did NOT want to do that time was watch the wing on my plane turn semi liquid and drip on to the ground...

Any help with this will get you my vote if you ever stand for election.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 07:30:38 am
Right then, here I go...  I know NOTHING about railways except that I like to look at trains, I like to ride on trains – I LIKE TRAINS!  When I say that I know nothing about trains I mean, most particularly, in any kind of operational sense.  I realise that hauling a bunch of wagons into a dead end siding behind a shunter is not too smart if you want to use that loco again in the near future. 

Regards, Allan.....

Allan (or Zogbert) running a raft of wagons into a dead end siding behind a shunting loco makes perfect sense in a railway operation - but ONLY if it's a headshunt.
As for 'knowing nothing about trains' since privatisation that would qualify you to be a railway manager.
When I started back in 1986 my London Area Guard's Inspector had been on the railway for 33 years and started as an engine cleaner in 1953.
When I left the railway in 2014 (retired early) my 'manager' had done 4 months, come from a bank and wouldn't know which end to put a tail lamp!
I have only just noticed this thread, but look forward to reading more about your fantasy world.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 07:35:23 am
Mad as a Brush............... :bounce:

 :veryangry: How dare you insult Classes 31 and 47 LIKE THAT!

 ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 07:58:07 am
Try upsidedown soldering and the solder drips in your eye. That was a favourite of mine and no doubt contributed to the fact I now wear glasses (gettin' on too, of course)  :uneasy:

Try upside down soldering, putting the iron down for a few seconds, then absentmindedly picking it up by the wrong end! :veryangry:
It don't 'alf 'urt! :unimpressed:
But you only tend to do it once.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 08:09:12 am
Dunno Allan.

If you don't like the plan best to get it sorted as it will gnaw at your soul forever.

I've had the same sorts of thoughts as you in fact they are continuing even though I've moved on to other problems past the stage of where the track should go. A lot of the problems of how to proceed were sorted out by contemplating things with a glass of red in hand or staring at the ceiling at 3 am.

I was an unashamed Luddite when it came to track planning. Tried some software called 3D Planit and decided that it was much less versatile than a pencil, eraser (rubber), and graph paper. Then translated the plan onto a full scale drawing on which more changes were made. 

Coming up with my initial layout plan proved to be the hardest step of all. If it doesn't happen for you right away then keep trying.

Webbo

Spot on, as ever, Webbo. Particularly about the pencil and paper - much easier than all that computer gubbins.
It took me a long time to decide on a track plan I am happy with (the original was 'Layout of the Month' in the April '73 Railway Modeller) and even then modified it hugely.
I am utterly delighted with it, but it pays to take your time.
Just a pity the trains don't run due to (something  :-[).

Greg. 
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 08:14:04 am

I ask this because I have some very bad memories of using a particular glue that the pillock in a model shop said was good for what I wanted to do - what I did NOT want to do that time was watch the wing on my plane turn semi liquid and drip on to the ground...

Any help with this will get you my vote if you ever stand for election.....

Hopefully you mean a 'model aircraft', not the 737 (other aircraft are available) taking you away on holiday.
It definitely wouldn't be good to see the wing turn semi liquid and drop to the ground if you were at 35.000 feet! :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on June 29, 2015, 02:42:02 pm
Amazing what one can learn in this hobby. Today I learned that lifting track after its been glued down ain't much fun. However, what I would like to learn tomorrow, or sooner even, is, what is the best glue to use to stick expanded polystyrene sheeting to a plywood base board... And, will that same glue stick the sheets to each other?

I ask this because I have some very bad memories of using a particular glue that the pillock in a model shop said was good for what I wanted to do - what I did NOT want to do that time was watch the wing on my plane turn semi liquid and drip on to the ground...

Any help with this will get you my vote if you ever stand for election.....
I used PVA to glue my polystyrene hills together from sheet styrene and for sticking the finished article down to my MDF base. Just paint the wood first so the glue doesn't dry out too quickly.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 30, 2015, 11:43:49 am
... and, on a similar theme, I am assuming that it's OK to use, off the shelf, domestic, home grown, bog standard emulsion paint on expanded polystyrene. Is that correct? This is not 'final scenery' we are talking here - I have some I was thinking to use where the track will go, ultimately hidden by ballast and track side greenery.

All help/suggestions appreciated...
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on June 30, 2015, 12:38:15 pm
Not tried it, Allan, but with emulsion being water based I wouldn't foresee any problems.
(waits to be shot down in flames)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on June 30, 2015, 01:46:40 pm
I used the tester pots of different colours of emulsion. Splurges of brown and green. Scatter on top, while it is still wet.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 30, 2015, 02:22:18 pm
Most excellent answers my heroes, thanx folks...

Getting all the stuff together to make a proper start now.  (unless I come up with another electronics box that I just HAVE to build)
(No, please, no!)

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 30, 2015, 09:21:47 pm
... and, on a similar theme, I am assuming that it's OK to use, off the shelf, domestic, home grown, bog standard emulsion paint on expanded polystyrene. Is that correct? This is not 'final scenery' we are talking here - I have some I was thinking to use where the track will go, ultimately hidden by ballast and track side greenery.

All help/suggestions appreciated...

I have - it goes on well. All the 'sandstone' cliffs around Peltin have been painted with Crown emulsion and (I think) looks fairly reasonable. But please take my word for it - ANY advice I offer on scenic work isn't worth considering.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 30, 2015, 10:55:44 pm
...But please take my word for it - ANY advice I offer on scenic work isn't worth considering.
I wouldn't dare take your word for it - I am a raw beginner in all of this.  You can only be better than me, as can everyone else on this forum...

Thanks for the reply, regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 30, 2015, 10:57:42 pm
I used the tester pots of different colours of emulsion. Splurges of brown and green. Scatter on top, while it is still wet.
Ah!  So you are using the paint as a glue then?  Interesting.  Cuts out a step.  Do you mist it with something to fix it after the event?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: A.Carter (BiG-T) on July 01, 2015, 07:55:18 am
I use the tester pots but mix them with PVA spread this and then cover in flock or static grass, I find it sticks better and I tend to not hoover as much loose off afterwards, also if there are any thin patches the base colour shows through.

Tony
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 01, 2015, 09:21:18 am
I Hoover the flock afterwards with a small hand held device and then cover any bald areas with PVA and scatter from the Hoover. As long as you don't try to cover too big an area, the paint is still wet and the scatter sticks quite well.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 01, 2015, 12:03:38 pm
I Hoover the flock afterwards with a small hand held device and then cover any bald areas with PVA and scatter from the Hoover. As long as you don't try to cover too big an area, the paint is still wet and the scatter sticks quite well.

An interesting, and imaginative, use of a BR Class 50 Malc.  ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2015, 06:10:29 pm
...I really don't see track laying holding any terrors for you...
Huh! And there was I, in my innocence, thinking that NN knew what he was talking about!  :P
Anyhow, I have restarted track laying.  This time around its a mix of set track and flex. I was looking at my on screen plan and realised that there was almost no straight sections. I was thinking, 'Nailing those chunks of flex together on the curves without any kinks ain't gonna be fun!'
So, I dropped a few lengths of assorted set track in there and found that it worked just fine.
There ain't no fiddle yard in the purest sense.  The baseboard is only 4' X 2' 6" so I have allowed for a space to fit cassettes.  No decisions on detail there, and no rush either since I am not exactly overburdened with stock yet.
The order went in to Hattons, the order was delivered. 
So far I have laid out the track and soldered it into manageable lengths which work out nicely with the block sections. (yeah, it's gonna be DC).  I have mounted some Seep point motors and the associated points onto small pieces of MDF ready to set into the foam on the baseboard.  The entire track has been clipped together, on a temporary basis (I'm waiting to get some insulating joiners tomorrow), and this time, I am much happier with it.
Right now it's all attached to the foam topper with a veritable forest of toothpicks.
Once I get my hands on the insulators I'll be able to run some power to the various sections and then, in a few days with luck, glue it down.  At that point, I'll consider myself on the way to building a layout.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 07, 2015, 07:36:06 pm
Glad to hear you are progressing nicely, Allen.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 07, 2015, 09:20:34 pm
...I really don't see track laying holding any terrors for you...
Huh! And there was I, in my innocence, thinking that NN knew what he was talking about!  :P


I guess, with all things, there has to be a first time for everything :D

Glad you've taken the plunge, Allan, and that some progress is being made :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: daveg on July 08, 2015, 07:37:04 am
Various mentions of paints and glues prompts me to share this:

I use tester pots like many of us but just 'found' Homebase emulsion 'Camouflage' which proves to be an excellent pale green that I have used as a primer for scenic areas.

My preferences are neat PVA for scatter and Copydex for fixing track. Copydex makes life easier should you decide to change your track plan.

Enjoy the build and look forward to your next update.

Dave G
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 08, 2015, 04:50:32 pm
I was sat sitting here thinking rude words.  I am awaiting four packages of 'stuff' that I have ordered from different places. All were promised for delivery today.  None of them came.  Now, I know that nothing is 'for sure' in that particular sphere but all four?
Anyhow, drip over...
I have been a member of this forum for a while now but there has always been something missing.  In the absence of my packages I started to think about that and suddenly the light went on!  I have never posted a picture of my untidy work area with tools all over the place...  I should get on with that.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0041_zpsp8rszifq.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0041_zpsp8rszifq.jpg.html)
So, there... That feels better!!!

And, as a bit extra:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Imgp0040_zpsadjihv6o.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/Imgp0040_zpsadjihv6o.jpg.html)
I really have started work on a layout at last.
One of the things I am waiting for is a couple of packs of insulated joiners so the track is all in bits right now.  As soon as I have electrickery flowing around it all I will open the construction thread.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 08, 2015, 08:44:28 pm
I was sat sitting here thinking rude words.  I am awaiting four packages of 'stuff' that I have ordered from different places. All were promised for delivery today.  None of them came.  Now, I know that nothing is 'for sure' in that particular sphere but all four?

Regards, Allan.....

My guess is that the very moment you slip out of the house for thirty minutes tomorrow all four will arrive!  :headbutt:
It's usually what happens to me! ::)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 09, 2015, 09:58:15 pm
My guess is that the very moment you slip out of the house for thirty minutes tomorrow all four will arrive!  :headbutt:
It's usually what happens to me! ::)
Wonder of wonders! The two big ones (too large for letterbox) came this morning. Before I needed to go out too... The other two are small packages that are not quite so urgent and will easily fit through the door anyhow. I am feeling less murderous today.   :no:

Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2015, 10:03:44 pm
I am feeling less murderous today.   :no:

Allan.....

Nice to know we can sleep safely in our beds tonight :sweat:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 10, 2015, 12:17:17 am
Nice to know we can sleep safely in our beds tonight :sweat:

Oh how quickly they forget!  Sleep safely?  With Auntie Maud still looking for you (and Malc)?
I don't think so!!!
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/AuntyMaud_zpsa2srcju9.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/Zogbert_Splod/media/AuntyMaud_zpsa2srcju9.jpg.html)
Auntie Maud...

I think she has plans for you matie!!!  Don't say I didn't warn ya.  She thinks it was you who borrowed her teeth for that little bit of scenery carving.  >:D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: railsquid on July 10, 2015, 01:53:13 am
Top tip: false teeth make an excellent tunnel entrance on a "House of Horrors" N gauge funfair ride.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 10, 2015, 12:11:27 pm
Top tip: false teeth make an excellent tunnel entrance on a "House of Horrors" N gauge funfair ride.
Bad news railsquid, I think Auntie Maud's  :veryangry: just upped her hit list count to three.  (Four if you count me, but then I've never not been on it since the time that I... Well, never mind that for now.)  Just saying, dark alleys - well, no, not for a while anyhow.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 10, 2015, 04:33:30 pm
Like the work bench Allan. Much tidier than mine. What is that brown flat thing that the clamps are fastened on to?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 10, 2015, 05:25:28 pm
Like the work bench Allan. Much tidier than mine. What is that brown flat thing that the clamps are fastened on to?
LOL  I did tidy up a little the other day and found that Malc.  It's made of wood!  I had forgotten that.

Here's the problem, When I clear the bench area, I have to move stuff onto the baseboard, so I can't lay track.  When I clear the baseboard to get the track laying worked on...  You see where this is heading don't ya...

Aye, well, I need more space!!!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 10, 2015, 09:20:06 pm
Yes, I know where you are heading. I have problems with my knees, so I made my layout so that it is hinged either side. If I want to do any wiring, I lift up the requisite side and prop it up. I must always remember to put any rolling stock away and clear all the detritus off the top.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 11, 2015, 02:04:47 pm
Oh dear, it seems almost inevitable. I have discovered another electronics box that is howling out to be added to the project. I mean, there is an absolute, 'must have' requirement for somewhere to mount the switches to operate the points, and, with all of that extra front panel real estate available I could add all sorts of goodies - I mean, it would be rude not to use it ye know. Details will follow but will include a small process controller and a batch of relays and a bit of programming effort.
I really do think that I have a secret, deep down fear of the track laying process. Oh well... Time to go order some more components.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 11, 2015, 02:15:24 pm
Shame we live so far from each other. I'd be happy to lay your track in return for you doing the electrickery for me ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 11, 2015, 05:54:00 pm
Zogbert and NN, I'd be happy to make the tea for you in return for you both doing my layout!

 :D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 11, 2015, 08:50:38 pm
Zogbert and NN, I'd be happy to make the tea for you in return for you both doing my layout!

 :D


It would cost you more in coffee for me than getting a professional to do it ;)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/21/thumb_27048.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27048)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 11, 2015, 09:11:27 pm
Oh dear, it seems almost inevitable. I have discovered another electronics box


I think I have just discovered another of your wonderful creations, Allan.........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/NewportNobb_shy;y/Dir_1/medium_10103.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10103)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 11, 2015, 09:38:00 pm
Zogbert and NN, I'd be happy to make the tea for you in return for you both doing my layout!

 :D


It would cost you more in coffee for me than getting a professional to do it ;)
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/21/thumb_27048.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27048[/url])



I have Machu Picchu best organic - will that do?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 11, 2015, 09:52:39 pm
Oh dear, it seems almost inevitable. I have discovered another electronics box


I think I have just discovered another of your wonderful creations, Allan.........

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/NewportNobb_shy;y/Dir_1/medium_10103.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10103[/url])

That's mine at the top and Auntie Maud's at the bottom.  LOL...
That's what they call the 'procrastination machine' if I remember correctly isn't it NN?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 12, 2015, 08:04:13 am
Oh dear, it seems almost inevitable. I have discovered another electronics box


I think I have just discovered another of your wonderful creations, Allan.........

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/NewportNobb_shy;y/Dir_1/medium_10103.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10103[/url])

That's mine at the top and Auntie Maud's at the bottom.  LOL...
That's what they call the 'procrastination machine' if I remember correctly isn't it NN?


Just a personal thought here, but I believe 'procrastination machines' are a waste of time.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 12, 2015, 02:47:59 pm
I think the jury's out on that one :-\
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 12, 2015, 05:40:19 pm
Some good "do nothing machines"
http://youtu.be/wvalpaZrP8s (http://youtu.be/wvalpaZrP8s)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 12, 2015, 05:56:38 pm
I reckon Maurits built that last attachment :hmmm:

The machine didn't exactly do nothing as it made the phone ring but I couldn't figure out how :confused2: ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 14, 2015, 09:11:56 am
Seems that I may well be attaching track to board real soon. As I read it, Copydex seems to be the item of choice. Here is my question then... Behind the planned scenic area I have two sets of points to go in. Since I am building on expanded polystyrene, the points will be  peco surface mounted actuators for convenience(that's the plan anyhow :confused1:).  Will they be OK glued also?  I think the foam will be fine but I was wondering about gluing the motors without adding track pins.  I could add a thin MDF insert if necessary but only if I have to... Any experience I could draw on here?
(I am assuming that Copydex and the expanded poly are OK together???)

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
I actually cross posted this question to another part of the forum and it has now been answered.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 17, 2015, 10:57:17 pm
"I am so chuffed!" said the little engine.
"And so you should be." responded the somewhat-overweight-but-not-quite-fat-controller.
"My friends and family should see me now.  Little me, testing out the new track lengths!  Who would have thunk it eh."
"Think of it as a reward for your consistently smooth running back in the earlier days." the somewhat-overweight-but-not-quite-fat-controller said with a smile.  "There might even be some more track to test tomorrow and before you know it, there will a complete loop that you can go around on 'till you are dizzy."
"Thank you for choosing me." the wee engine said quietly.
"You will be testing the rest of it too so don't be surprised if you are called on very soon."
He set off on another run on the new way.  He passed the place where the automated crossing gates would one day be sitting, but today, no problems, there wasn't even a road there yet.  Just slowly on through without a pause.  Then there was the site for the station - it was all so exciting.
He knew that his shed mate, the little shunter, would also be testing the tracks later but not until his wheels had been cleaned. He would tell him all about it tonight when they all settled down to rest.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 18, 2015, 12:58:45 pm
Good to know the little engine has somewhere to stretch its legs, Allan :)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 18, 2015, 01:22:58 pm
Good to know the little engine has somewhere to stretch its legs, Allan :)
The wee fellow had to wait long enough for the chance. Hopefully it won't be too long before he gets more space to gallop around.
As you, yer very own self, suggested Mr Nobberator, this track laying thing isn't quite as hard as I expected it to be.  Just a bit scarey, not quite the whiten yer hair and curl yer teeth experience I was expecting.
Still got a way to go, especially considering the wiring too.  However, the feeling of satisfaction when each step is done makes it so worth it. (as I am sure everyone here well knows)  That's why we do it isn't it.....

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 18, 2015, 02:59:07 pm
And I suppose the little house knew something about it, don't you?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: daveg on July 18, 2015, 10:16:38 pm
And I suppose the little house knew something about it, don't you?

Flob alob!  :wave:

Dave G
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 18, 2015, 10:28:05 pm
And I suppose the little house knew something about it, don't you?

Flob alob!  :wave:

Dave G
Glad someone else remembers and it wasn't wasted. 😃
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 18, 2015, 10:52:14 pm
I saw it and weeeeeeeedd
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on July 18, 2015, 11:45:17 pm
ha ! and all these years I thort it was "flobadob",
with the first "o" pronounced more like a "u",
I shall go ask my friend Weeed,
and whilst about it I'll ask if muffin the mule really is an illegal activity these days , , ,

Trouble with "Watch with Mother" was that it was a case of 'go with mother' round to the big house and watch it there with the neighbours :( !
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 19, 2015, 01:57:43 am
Huh!  Ye all must be kids!  My main memories are 'LISTEN With Mother'!  And even then, only when the radio accumulator was charged!

I am surrounded by children here!  Pah!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 03:13:25 am
Hey you down there with the glasses.... Billy Cotton band show on the wireless every Sunday.

I always thought Bill &Ben were a bit weird. I was a Rag Tag and Bobtail man. The Woodentops were a strange family as well.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: daveg on July 19, 2015, 07:08:44 am
I'd forgotten that bit, George but Wakey, wakey! is still in my head.

Round the Horn the radio show that always made me laugh. A long time back I had the pleasure of meeting Hugh Paddick and reminisced about the man himself and the brilliant cast.

Dad always listened to Hancock's Half Hour but I didn't get the style of humour until I was a bit older. Never really understood The Goon Show - perhaps that was an age thing too but I'm now the proud owner of a 78rpm copy of the Ying Tong song.

Dave G
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 07:27:17 am
Cool!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 08:04:33 am
Never really liked watching things on the radio myself - no pictures. But when it comes to quality TV from those days forget "Muffin the Mule" or "Bill and Ben" - Mike Mercury or even Tex Tucker rules! Who could possibly forget Larry Dart?

P/S  And returning to the theme of railways did you know Mike Mercury once saved a Blue Pullman from a major disaster (see the Supercar episode "The Runaway Train") and that a model Hymek was seen in The Secret Service episode "Last train to Bufflers Halt", both Gerry Anderson 'Supermarionation' series?

Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 09:56:10 am
Larry Dart who he  , a pal of Eric Bristow ?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 10:07:25 am
Larry Dart who he  , a pal of Eric Bristow ?

 ::)
Captain Dart commanded Galasphere 347 (or will do in 2100AD if the TV series is correct).
 
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 10:35:04 am
You learn something every day !
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 10:50:24 am
Scanner viewer working! Gamma rays on..... YOBBA RAYS ON!!

And that Colonel Rayburn was a real boss. He'd send Larry Dart back out in a mission when the poor soul had just got back to Earth after 4 months in the freezer from Saturn!

He was a bit of a chauvinist as well, but that Venusian chick he had for a secretary kept him line  ;D

Anyway, Space Patrol apart, (and you can watch every episode on YouTube), I  think we are hijacking this thread.

Back to Zogbert!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 10:58:55 am
And that Colonel Rayburn was a real  boss.
 /quote]

His boss was Brigadier Aga.................
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on July 19, 2015, 11:03:52 am
Never really liked watching things on the radio myself - no pictures.
:laughabovepost:
Titter ye not,
I used to like listening to the TV,
when I was a little older I got into amateur radio & electronics and not a lot of people know that the TV sound was carried on an FM intercarrier (sub carrier) 6MHz away from the vestigialAM video carrier.
So I built myself a radio to tune into that sound carrier directly at the UHF.
The bottom line : It was a radio and did not need a licence

As for "a bit weird", Bill&Ben were odd, but even at that young age I thought there was something very very strange and disturbing about Andy Pandy. I guess I was outgrowing that sort of thing and that it was something for baby sisters ;)



Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 11:36:50 am
When I was a kid I thougt kids' tv was naff. I preferred things like
Maigret,Danger Man and Panorama, as for Gerry Anderson stuff that
was like a school puppet show.....

One thing, Journey into Space on the radio was scary at times.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 12:30:45 pm

P/S  And returning to the theme of railways did you know Mike Mercury once saved a Blue Pullman from a major disaster (see the Supercar episode "The Runaway Train") and that a model Hymek was seen in The Secret Service episode "Last train to Bufflers Halt", both Gerry Anderson 'Supermarionation' series?

Forgive me quoting myself, but I did try to return to railways several posts ago.
On the other hand the thread is "The future past" so are we really so far off track with.....
OK Bealman, I'll shut up now. :D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 12:51:38 pm
Did you ever see that Telegoons episode with the model train running around in the snow....?  ;)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 19, 2015, 01:42:46 pm
...I  think we are hijacking this thread.

Back to Zogbert!
No probs... I confess to enjoying this kick up the memory muscle...    Someone mentioned 'Journey Into Space'.  That radio show has a lot to answer for.  Charles Chiltern's characters,  Jet Morgan, Doc, Mitch, and Lemmie, have a lot to do with my continuing love of science fiction. 

I could go on for hours about the radio comedians, yeah, right back to ITMA...

OK, 'nuff said.  (is this one of those places where you can get yer wrist slapped for hijacking yer own thread?)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: daveg on July 19, 2015, 01:53:43 pm
One final memory from me:

Dan Dare on Radio Luxemburg!

Used to listen to that with me dad (whenever atmospherics allowed) and then sent to bed. No TV in N Ireland back then.

Dave G

Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 03:46:40 pm
Roy Rogers on Trigger........

Count Basie Orchestra on triangle

Could go on, but I won't.......
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on July 19, 2015, 03:58:18 pm
Count Basie Orchestra on triangle
Charlie Drake on Triangle,
Timpani, Cymbols, Violins and everything else in the orchestra including the cannon in,
the 1812 Overture.
:)

and it was not easy to super- images in those days

Oh PS :
Woe betide anyone who called him Charlie,
It was Mr Drake to the likes of erks like me and Charles or Mr Charles for directors, producers and other highheedyons.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 19, 2015, 06:29:25 pm
Coz w'at it is my thread,  staying off topic, (but-ok mods-not for long) who knows (without Google help) what this is about:
NCTWWASBE
It's good advice too!
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 08:13:36 pm

Charlie Drake on Triangle,


Triangle? Wasn't that a soap set on a North Sea ferry with Kate O'Mara ( :D), Michael Craig and Larry Lamb which very quickly sank without trace after a few episodes?
But I must admit that I didn't know Charlie Drake was in it too.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Agrippa on July 19, 2015, 08:35:59 pm
I remember Charlie Drake, about as funny as dysentery............
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Malc on July 19, 2015, 08:45:43 pm
Coz w'at it is my thread,  staying off topic, (but-ok mods-not for long) who knows (without Google help) what this is about:
NCTWWASBE
It's good advice too!
Was that in ITMA?
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 08:57:37 pm
knows (without Google help) what this is about:
NCTWWASBE

Was that in ITMA?

I'm not sure I know even with Google help. :uneasy:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 19, 2015, 10:34:16 pm
Was that in ITMA?
Yes, it was...

OK, I'll tell ya...

Never Clean The Windows With A Soft Boiled Egg...

If you think about it, without these guys, there could not have been The Goons, or Python and many others.....

Agrippa, I agree with you as regards CD.  Never even raised a smile with me, far less a laugh.  I don't like circus clowns either though - slap stick is just a yawn.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 19, 2015, 10:38:48 pm
Was that in ITMA?
Yes, it was...

OK, I'll tell ya...

Never Clean The Windows With A Soft Boiled Egg...


Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2015, 10:46:26 pm
Must admit I found the Charlie Drake 1812 sketch quite funny, unlike Mr. Pastry who appeared on the telly in my yoof.
Thanks also to Agrippa for the BDDDB reminder :)
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 19, 2015, 10:53:56 pm
The best thing CD did was fall out that window and did himself in and the BBC had to roll the credits  ;D
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on July 19, 2015, 11:09:25 pm
and sadly, on a personal level, he was never quite the same person after :(
he did his head quite a serious mischief.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: MalcolmAL on July 19, 2015, 11:38:57 pm

,
,
(is this one of those places where you can get yer wrist slapped for hijacking yer own thread?)
:laughabovepost:
Good thread Zog, very entertaining / nostaljwahtsit
but what we need now, perhaps,  is an expert in bifurication ?
:) :)
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 20, 2015, 02:59:48 am
...an expert in bifurication ?
:) :)
 :laugh:
Oh, gee-whiz, shucks, an' crikey!  I thought I read somewhere that you were that expert!!!  OK, the post is open...  Applications will be accepted...  Please write them on the back of a cheque and email it... no, i'll re-think that one - more later!!!
Title: Re: Tales of future past... (almost caught up with the NOW!)
Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 20, 2015, 03:15:14 am
OK, it's time to move on - I'm about to open a construction thread.  I have almost completed the first loop of track on my layout Mk I.  As I have already explained, it is on the Scottish/Welsh border and is named the 'North and West Alliance', the N&WA. (Pronounced 'Nae-Way')... The new thread will see the light of day very soon.

Thanks to all who have contributed in all ways to this thread.  The consultant says I would not be where I am today without you, and the nurse is grateful for the employment opportunity.....
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Bealman on July 20, 2015, 03:49:41 am
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

Looking forward to the construction thread.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Tdm on July 20, 2015, 01:58:55 pm
When I was a kid I thougt kids' tv was naff. I preferred things like
Maigret,Danger Man and Panorama, as for Gerry Anderson stuff that
was like a school puppet show.....

One thing, Journey into Space on the radio was scary at times.

George Simenon - who wrote the Maigret books is my favourite author and have about 50 Maigret books which I am currently re-reading. There are about 30 Maigret books I haven't got but they are hard to find in English.

Patrick Mcghouan's (probably misspelt his surname) Danger Man was a favourite of mine too, as well as the "Prisoner" which he also starred in. Have been to Portmeirion where the Prisoner was filmed and would highly recommend a visit there.
Title: Re: Tales of future past...
Post by: Caz on July 20, 2015, 09:17:06 pm
Off topic I know but I have "Tunein Radio" on my Android phone and a recent radio station that appeared was something called "ROK" radio which is advertised as the best of British comedy radio.  It has all the (very) old favourites like "Round the Horn", "Navy Lark", "Life with the Lyons", "The Goon Show" and yes even some of the old ITMA stuff as well. 
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 29, 2015, 03:58:21 pm
Oh yeah, it's back!
Not exactly simple to see clearly, but, this is a good thing.  I'm not going to go into it again but the bones of the reasoning is here http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29385.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29385.0) in this thread.
I have referred to a larger layout.  Larger is the right word, still not LARGE but way better.

Here is the space as it will be once the work on the flat is finished:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Cave_zpsgnu0fqgt.png)
It is a walk in cupboard which currently contains a large water tank, an electricity distribution board/meter and a gas meter.  The water tank is to be removed and the gas meter will be moved outside.  There is a lot of other work being done on the flat but none of that relates to the current subject.  It's all good stuff though and I am very happy with the plans over all.
Since my last post on the referenced thread I have pretty well decided that I will get my hands on a plotter/cutter and then see about designing something that I can build now and incorporate into the eventual layout.  That was suggested by some of the contributors to that thread and makes a lot of sense.
So, for now, I'm gonna be off to SCARM and back to looking at the options in the plotter/cutter market. 

Aye, (which is the 'heavy sigh' smiley?).....
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2015, 09:02:41 pm
Interesting :hmmm:
First thoughts are a fiddle yard each side of the door running from each to the other via a scenic board maybe 2ft 6in wide at the back of the cupboard or..........if you want to see trains going round and round have a board right along the back of the cupboard wide enough to have a twin oval set up (again, maybe 2ft 6in as possibly 2ft 11in will be a 'reach too far') with a fiddle yard or two running off the ovals and down each side of the door.
No doubt (and I hope) you'll receive more ideas.
Good luck :thumbsup:
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Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 29, 2015, 09:05:45 pm
I have "Tunein Radio" 

Is a "tunein radio" in any way related to a "round tuit"? :confused2: :D

 ::)

I know - "TAXI"  :wave:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 31, 2015, 01:14:54 pm
Well, the irrevocable step has been taken.  I, and my trusty circular saw, chopped the layout baseboard into pieces today and moved the resulting debris outside for disposal.
I saved what little I could of the track and points.  Also the point motors.  All of the electronics that had been completed is packed away for now and is completely re-usable.  The set up to work the isolating sections was still under construction as was the computer driven mimic board.  They are not going to be difficult to modify.  A change in wiring and a re-worked front panel, along with mods to the software will put that back in play again when the time comes.
An earlier indication that I was considering the purchase of a plotter/cutter machine becomes more likely by the minute and some time will be dedicated to that this very evening.  I think it is going to be the KNK Zing which looks like the best of the 'domestic/hobby' grade machines.

NPN, your suggestions above pretty well line up with my first thoughts for the new space - thanks for your post.

There ye go, that's the current state of play.
Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Malc on August 31, 2015, 01:43:52 pm
Nice to see you haven't gone all metric on us Allan.
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Post by: daveg on August 31, 2015, 03:59:23 pm
Just taken a look at the Print and Cut machine you plan to get, Allan. Amazing!

I wouldn't be able to afford or get the use out of such a thing but very clever and I look forward to seeing what you make.

Good luck with the new plan.

Dave G
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 31, 2015, 08:48:35 pm
Just taken a look at the Print and Cut machine you plan to get, Allan. Amazing!...

Dave G
Thanks for that Dave.  I had been looking at getting some kind of machine for some time when I found out that Dorsetmike had been using one for a while.  He was good enough to advise me regarding the one that I mentioned and I followed up on it.  It is, by a long way, the best of the bunch (craft/hobby level) without venturing into the pro market.  I say this from a position of having no connection with the KNK company, but, purely based on others opinions and on published specs.

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 09, 2015, 02:15:17 pm
Well, the environmental survey of my place was done yesterday.  Checking for nasty stuff like asbestos in the walls and such.  Nothing bad was found, so, no delay in that regard.   :)
The surveyors were a couple of nice chaps and they were able to tell me some more detail of what is planned. If this wasn't getting in the way of my railway plans I would be 100% happy!  All I need now is for someone to come around and tell me that it's all been moved up and will start tomorrow!  Nah, ain't gonna happen but the more I learn of it, the happier I am to wait.

The next phase of the preparation may not be fun though.   :worried:
This is an area that used to be very productive in the coal mining era and it is very possible that there could be coal seams and/or even old mine galleries under where the foundations are to go for a building extension.  The plans to deal with that include some deep, core drilling which will take a few days to carry out and will proceed day and night 'till completed.  If this is done with a piling rig like the shallow stuff they did a while back, I'm heading for a hotel for the week!  :thumbsdown:  :-\

Otherwise, playing with SCARM.  I need a roundy-roundy aspect within my layout so that limits things in some ways coz I don't want tight curves at the ends of the board.  Three sides of the main board will be against walls ye see.  It's all fun i'n'it...

Allan.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 24, 2015, 04:23:12 pm
Not strictly relating to the future layout but to its eventual home.  I just got back from a meeting with the architect and the various contractors reps who will be involved in the work on my flat.  All the work is now confirmed as a definite thing along with a couple of extras that have been added.  It's all good stuff except for the uncertainty about the date/time/period for the heating/plumbing work.  That, unfortunately, is the part that controls when I can get on with working on what will become the layout room.  Still, no real complaints.  I will have a nicer place to live at the end of it.

For now, I have been learning a lot about using the Inkscape software, which I will need to make the best of the cutting machine that I will be buying very soon now.  The more I read about this thing, the more I see that I NEED it!  (it's OK to NEED toys isn't it?)

I previously mentioned the investigations that have to be done with regard to the possibility of coal seams and mining activity in the area below the foundation of the building extension.  Information from what remains of the NCB confirm the existence of seams there but can not confirm whether galleries have been cut so the core drilling will need to be done.  It appears that some sort of licencing is required to allow 24 hour work with the drilling rig due to noise.  That has not yet been granted so, for now,  ;) I have not yet booked myself into a super luxury hotel for the duration of that exercise.

I am so frustrated with having no place to run my trains right now!  Tell me it will be worth it in the end!!!!!
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Post by: daveg on September 24, 2015, 05:13:42 pm
It WILL be worth it in the end, ZS!

I had to wait almost 3 years to get my railway room and you ought to see the state it's currently in!

Dave G
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Post by: cornish yorkie on September 24, 2015, 09:01:28 pm
    :-[ :hellosign:   I am sure the end result will be well worth the wait.
regards Derek.
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2015, 09:24:23 pm
It will be worth waiting for and, yes, it's OK to need toys :D
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Post by: rogercrossley on September 26, 2015, 01:14:37 pm
More likely that the borders of the (newly independent) English regions will run East West: Wessex, Mercia and Northumberland!

The Commissar has just put on her coat and asked if I'm going to football now or not so must go...

Roger
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 27, 2015, 07:39:05 pm
More likely that the borders of the (newly independent) English regions will run East West: Wessex, Mercia and Northumberland!

The Commissar has just put on her coat and asked if I'm going to football now or not so must go...

Roger
Ah!  But you forget - this is not the England that you know.  The back story does mention an alternative universe...  Believe me, I know - I live there!

Thinking:  I wonder if Roger actually takes his wife along to the football?  Or, is he one of those people who makes her put her coat on when he goes out because he always turns the heating off till he gets back?  Hard to decide with all the alternative universe stuff going on.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 27, 2015, 07:45:36 pm
Well, I've done it.  Earlier today I placed my order for a 'KNK Zing Air' plotter/cutter machine.  I've been drawing and then drawing some more for a few weeks now.  It's time to find out what the limits of the machine are with the various materials that I have been looking at.
I decided to pay the premium for the quick delivery too.
I'll report back once it's here.  With luck it will help me to retain some sanity while the layout is on hold waiting for the building work to be done.

Quite exciting really.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 27, 2015, 10:43:12 pm
With luck it will help me to retain some sanity

Why on earth would you want that to happen?
I was relying on you being one of the few truly mad members of this parish :laugh3:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 28, 2015, 01:30:18 am
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Anim%20Flippant_zpseu4smb63.gif) Ah, mine knobby buddy, be assured that when I say 'sanity' it is, and will remain, my intention to keep only enough of the sanity virus to allow of the ability to live among, and commune with the poor deluded masses who think that the benighted lives that they live are rich and fulfilling.  If, as I suspect, there are only thee and me, who are fully aware of the full potential of the human mind and the breadth of life within its imaginings, then it behoves us to remain in this state of communication with the denizens of this shared existence.  Thus it may be, that we are able to shine a glimmer of hope into their darkness.  I feel, as I am sure you do also, that this is the least that we can do.

Or, to put it another way, no worries mate!
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Post by: daveg on September 28, 2015, 06:16:21 am
There ain't no Sanity Clause!

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQtwIwAGoVChMIk8DGnPyYyAIVgb8aCh22IQUI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG_Sy6oiJbEk&usg=AFQjCNGIERWtCbHoghyFLs3OZ96WeY1UHw&bvm=bv.103388427,d.d24 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQtwIwAGoVChMIk8DGnPyYyAIVgb8aCh22IQUI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG_Sy6oiJbEk&usg=AFQjCNGIERWtCbHoghyFLs3OZ96WeY1UHw&bvm=bv.103388427,d.d24)

Well, I see the crackers are in the shops.

 :beers:

Dave G
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Post by: rogercrossley on September 28, 2015, 09:25:02 am
In the England which I envisage, there will be border controls. I remember passing by train from the German Federal Republic to the German Democtratic Republic in the mid 1960s and observing the vast control area on the border.  In the alternative universe England the same sort of border post will exist. The one between Mercia and Northumberland will be somewhere north of Nottingham but south of Sheffield. Now there's something to model in N gauge!

Roger
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 27, 2015, 02:14:13 pm
Well, I've done it.  Earlier today I placed my order for a 'KNK Zing Air' plotter/cutter machine...
I'll report back once it's here.  With luck it will help me to retain some sanity while the layout is on hold waiting for the building work to be done...
Here I go, quoting my own posts again!  (saves a lot of typing though)

After a lot of frustration and not a little 'have I done the right thing?' thoughts, I have concluded that, yes I have.  This machine has a fairly steep learning curve but that wasn't helped by the fact that I was (am?) a subscriber to the 'real men don't need to read the manual' school of thought.
I am at the place where I can now contemplate my first complete building.  With the aid of a couple of measurements and the assistance of Google Earth Pro I have made the drawings for a friends house.  I intend to go to the hobby shop tomorrow for the supplies I will need to make it happen.  Which leads me to a question or two...
1)  I intend to glaze the windows by sandwiching the clear sheet between two pieces of card.  Is there a spray adhesive available that will work on OHP sheets and on card?  I would like to spray the card and place it on the film so as to avoid glue getting on the visible part of the window.
2)  The walls will feature printed brick and rough cast finishes that I have drawn on the confuser.  I have heard of the spray finish that is available to stop fading over time.  What do I need to look for to get some of that stuff?

All advice/information most welcome...

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: daveg on October 27, 2015, 02:43:27 pm
Bound to be other helpful suggestions but what about spray photomount?

For example:
 http://solutions.3m.co.uk/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/EU-HomeLeisure/Home/ProdInfo/MountingFastening/SprayAdhesives/ (http://solutions.3m.co.uk/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/EU-HomeLeisure/Home/ProdInfo/MountingFastening/SprayAdhesives/)

Plenty of options if you Google.

HTH.

Dave G
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 27, 2015, 02:50:03 pm
daveg, quite a range of options there, most excellent, thanks for the link.

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: D1042 Western Princess on October 29, 2015, 07:17:35 am

 This machine has a fairly steep learning curve but that wasn't helped by the fact that I was (am?) a subscriber to the 'real men don't need to read the manual' school of thought.

Regards, Allan.....

 :)
Or, as Marion likes to put it, "When you have tried everything else and it still doesn't work why not read the instructions?"   ::)

Nice to know I'm not alone in this approach to 'problem solving'. :D


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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 29, 2015, 11:52:41 am
:)
Or, as Marion likes to put it, "When you have tried everything else and it still doesn't work why not read the instructions?"   ::)

Nice to know I'm not alone in this approach to 'problem solving'. :D
Gee whiz, you mean, my belief that, if you stand up to pee, you don't need to read the manual, is wrong then?  Seems that way, doesn't it.  This could lead to a major life style change you know.....
Crikey.....
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Post by: Malc on October 29, 2015, 12:50:08 pm
You could always try glue and glaze Allan. It puts a film across the opening which dries clear. Bought some at a show a couple of weeks ago but not tried it yet.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=glue+and+glaze&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=38239560494&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7582686681910998286&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=t&ref=pd_sl_63e57qpi2d_e (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=glue+and+glaze&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=38239560494&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7582686681910998286&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=t&ref=pd_sl_63e57qpi2d_e)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 29, 2015, 09:04:58 pm
I was wondering if that stuff is OK with card models Malc.  Any how, please let us know the score after you try it out.   I went to the hobby shop today and got some card and a can of aerosol glue so I'll be a danger to anyone in the vicinity over the weekend, Ye've all been warned!   

Thanks for that Malc.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 30, 2015, 03:12:27 pm
Just had another meeting with the various people involved in the upgrade work on the property here.  If the latest update comes to pass it will be excellent!  It seems that the plumbing work will be done a lot earlier in the program than was first intended.  This is for pretty complicated reasons that I won't even try to explain.  But, the reason that I am pleased about it is that, as soon as the plumbing is done I can have full access to the space that will become my train room.  If it all happens I could be back to 'training' a month or more earlier than first thought.  The only spider in the custard that they can see right now is British Gas who want to stay with their plan and 'sod the rest of ya'...  The architect is fully confident that they can get around that, so, all relevant body parts are crossed for a good outcome.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 30, 2015, 08:23:30 pm
The architect is fully confident that they can get around that, so, all relevant body parts are crossed for a good outcome.

That explains the high pitched post, but good luck with getting the railway room early.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 30, 2015, 09:16:55 pm
 :hellosign:  hope all goes to plan.
regards Derek
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 15, 2016, 02:57:52 am
It's now roughly three and a half months into the work that is being done to my flat.  I have got new windows, a new front door and a back door where I didn't have one before.  I should say that I am more than pleased with the results so far.  It's been pretty slow progress, what with the weather and all, but more is being done as and when it is possible.  The next phase involves the scaffolding contractor getting the building ready for the new roof and guttering.  I just wish they would get on with the heating/plumbing side of it - that's what's blocking my access to the place where my layout will re-start.

Any how, for now I have decided to put an electric pen to electric paper and start a website to  :veryangry: celebrate  :veryangry: the fact that I don't have a layout for now... Grrrrrrrrr... (OK, it's really to keep me off street corners and away from dirty woman...)

It's hidden away at www.zogtrains.com (http://www.zogtrains.com)

It's not finished yet and I still have to set up the phone/tablet version.  However, if you, dear reader, have a moment, I would value any and all feedback on the general look and feel.  Please respond here or by using the link available at the bottom of every page.  Also, please feel free to use the 'recommend a link' feature from the 'Links' page.
If you can't or don't want to visit/comment, don't be concerned! I will not remove you from my Christmas card list - if you got a card from me last year, you will receive one this year - no worries.....

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: railsquid on February 15, 2016, 04:50:56 am
Looks good, where do I enter my address for the Christmas card? ;)
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Post by: David Asquith on February 15, 2016, 08:33:23 am
Like the intro on your blog.  That's me also.  The backstory is also interesting and amusing.
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 15, 2016, 10:42:41 am
Most enjoyable, Allan :thumbsup:
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Post by: Geoff on February 15, 2016, 12:46:51 pm
Allan your web site is Brilliant and now I will check on it as your layout progresses.

Well done that man.
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Post by: joe cassidy on February 15, 2016, 06:44:09 pm
Allan,

Your website is a model of clarity and user-friendliness.

Congrats !

Best regards,


Joe
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 15, 2016, 07:09:45 pm
Well, I wasn't sure about bringing up the subject of my site when it was at such an early stage of preparation.  The bulk of the current content is essentially 'place holder' and subject headings.
However, the responses so far have been amazing.  This was my first spasm into HTML since the days of HTML 2.  I used to start with a blank page in MS Notepad back then.  The current offering came out of Serif WebPlus X7 which I bought a couple of weeks back for less than £10.00.  It came complete with what they call the 'Resources Guide' included in that price.  Serif seem to have a policy of discounting the previous version as soon as they bring out a significant upgrade to their offerings.  I had/have no intention of taking my efforts in 'web site-ery' to any great level so this seemed like a good way to go.  Well worth a pop if you are in the mood for having a go at it yourself. I should say that other software is available, though I haven't tried any of it.

Thanks for all of the comments, Allan.....
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Post by: Mito on February 15, 2016, 10:43:25 pm
Like it and bookmarked :thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing more.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on February 16, 2016, 12:11:52 am
 :hellosign: All good stuff Alan, thanks for sharing  :thumbsup:
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 12, 2016, 02:04:50 am
It's been a while...  The work on my flat continues, s-l-o-w-l-y! Oh so slowly!!! I suppose it's made worse by my urge to get on with building a layout (insert sound of sigh being heaved). Any how, here's the thing... Since I can't yet get on with the actual physical aspect of that, I have been playing around, yet again, with SCARM. Oh, woe is me! I have another four or five 'possibles' for the layout.
I will admit that it has been (probably) time well spent. I am happier with what I see now and have probably saved a bit of 'why didn't I' later on. But, I still don't know about the workability of the thing. So, in the next few days I will winnow the options down to one, possibly two. I want to then post it/them on here and ask for some serious criticism/suggestions. First step will be to re-measure the space that I will have (allowing for lost space due to plumbing and anything else).
I want to arrive at the best that I can get before even cutting a single piece of wood or track. Please, sharpen yer hammers and get all "NO! You can't do that!"ish. I've been waiting tooooo long to get started properly and, with my complete lack of experience in the matter, I really don't want to get it wrong.

It's been a total horror of a week, demolition of a reinforced bridging section between two buildings with most of the run being along the end wall of my flat. We are talking pneumatic drills and huge rebar cutters, 6 to 8 hours a day for a week.  I have a cracked ceiling in one room and a crack down a corner, floor to ceiling in another. It'll all be made good but it's still not fun.Still got the plumbing/heating upgrade and the insulation replacement and the new roof to go...

I need someone to give me a pat on my pointy little head and to say, "There there... It'll be fine...". (a good stiff drink at the same time wouldn't hurt either!)

These things are sent to try us, but, sometimes they do too good a job! (insert sound of another sigh being heaved)

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on April 12, 2016, 09:36:34 am
Sorry to hear you're caught up in one of Nick Knowles 'big jobs', Allan, and hope you can get some peace very soon. I look forward to seeing what sort of track plan you have come up with, but please don't tell me you will use set track :no:
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Post by: Bealman on April 12, 2016, 09:58:57 am
As long as you have your health, mate. The rest is minor static.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Malc on April 12, 2016, 11:05:24 am
Try to look on the bright side, Allan. You will end up with a great flat. There is a saying about omelettes and eggs, but I won't quote it here.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on April 12, 2016, 09:34:51 pm
 :hellosign: hope the wait will over soon Alan, looking forward to seeing your track plan

regards Derek
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on May 31, 2016, 02:12:54 am
It's over a month since I said I was going to post a track plan. WAH! It's changed twice since then. I will post one eventually. But for now...
Still no great progress on my flat so work on another aspect of the eventual layout continues. However, there is some satisfaction to be gained here. I have got the PC and the Arduino talking like a couple of old fishwives sharing a garden fence! The control panel has passed the design stage and is into the build phase.
All of the points control and the power to various isolated sections of the track are under keyboard command. A single key in each case works as a toggle for each function, one touch on/one touch off. The status in each case is shown on a computer monitor which will be alongside the layout when the blessed day arrives.
I am building a dedicated keyboard right now with the switches mounted on a panel containing the track plan. I wasn't too sure, at the start, how I would approach this but in the end it was not too difficult. What I have done is this... I bought a super cheap PC keyboard (£4.45 on eBay) and proceeded to demolish it. I then used my meter to work out the key matrix. I saved the small decoder PCB and USB cable from the donor keyboard and junked the rest of it. A small desktop console type project box and a handful of push to make switches (again, eBay) and I am now into the build phase of the dedicated switchboard. Progress is slow so it may be a week or more before there are any pics but I can see some progress and that is stopping me from going loopy!!! (I think it is anyhow...)
The next decision is with regard to remote uncoupling. Experiments on that aspect of things have not been too successful as of yet. I bought a selection of magnets - what a farce! A long way still to go on those experiments... Any comments on this aspect would be most welcome. I don't want to go the 'Dapol couplers' route, I have too much 'stuff' that would need changing and I just don't want to!
Right, enough for now. When the keyboard is up and working I will post a pic and/or a vid on my Arduino thread. Thanks for reading.....

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Bealman on May 31, 2016, 02:28:20 am
Sounds most interesting. I like the way you went about designing the dedicated keyboard. Looking forward to the pics.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Newportnobby on May 31, 2016, 10:08:54 am
Personally I'd prefer it if you didn't post a wiring diagram as the damned things just blow my brain cell :dunce: :-[
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 02, 2016, 01:17:21 am
Personally I'd prefer it if you didn't post a wiring diagram as the damned things just blow my brain cell :dunce: :-[
:laughabovepost: Don't worry Nobby, the actual wiring diagram is not complicated at all. The complexity, such as it is, is taken care of in the software in the PC and the Arduino. I'll try to be nice to yer 'brain cell'.....

I blurry (very 'blurry') well broke my glasses today so there will be a slight delay in getting the pics and details up. :thumbsdown:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 13, 2016, 06:28:44 pm
Well then... Still waiting for the new glasses to be ready. The optician is trying to get some place to try to make me a pair of varifocals. Not much luck so far. The two prescriptions, near and distant vision, are too far apart. Oh well, I just told him to go ahead and get two pairs on the go.
However!!! However!!! I just got off the phone,actually an hour ago, with the central heating/plumbing/gas fitting company who are doing the future work on my flat. It'll all be done before the end of the month! That lets me get into what will be my train room right after that.

Oh gawd! I should confess, I have been letting things slip a bit. Loads of stuff done, on paper. I have now got to get my nethers into gear and get that bunch of mini servos mounted into the aluminium brackets - but not till I get the brackets all finished! Then there is finishing off the wiring of the control keyboard. I think I'll do that before I make up those other two 25 core cables I need...

Actually, I should get on with that instead of bimbling on about stuff on an internet forum... Still, a cup of tea first I think...

I think I'd like to get a cat... Hmmmmm... Where did that thought come from?
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Post by: keerout on June 13, 2016, 08:17:26 pm
Hi Zogbert,

*I think I'd like to get a cat... Hmmmmm... Where did that thought come from?*

Last time I had that same thought, one was waiting for me at my local rescue center.....
AND, he's a modeller too! (well,,he likes li'l trains...)  :-[
Go and have a look
Gerard  :wave:
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 13, 2016, 08:21:09 pm

I think I'd like to get a cat... Hmmmmm... Where did that thought come from?

As a cat lover (I can't say 'owner' as he owns me ::)) I recommend becoming a slave to a cat :)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 14, 2016, 12:59:05 am
... I recommend becoming a slave to a cat :)
I've been told that dogs have owners - cats have staff... Hmmmmmmmmm...

The dog looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think he must be some sort of god!"
The cat looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think I must be some sort of god!"
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Post by: dannyboy on June 14, 2016, 01:31:43 am
 :laughabovepost: As we have 5 cats and 2 dogs, I know who runs our house!
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Post by: cornish yorkie on June 14, 2016, 10:18:23 pm
 :hellosign:
... I recommend becoming a slave to a cat :)
I've been told that dogs have owners - cats have staff... Hmmmmmmmmm...

The dog looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think he must be some sort of god!"
The cat looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think I must be some sort of


... I recommend becoming a slave to a cat :)
I've been told that dogs have owners - cats have staff... Hmmmmmmmmm...

The dog looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think he must be some sort of god!"
The cat looks at the human and thinks: "I lie around here all day and look at this person. He strokes me and out of nowhere produces food and treats for me. I then lick his hand as he gives me all this stuff. I think I must be some sort of god!"
god!"
So true but where is your track plan Allan please?
regards Derek
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 14, 2016, 10:26:11 pm
So true but where is your track plan Allan please?
regards Derek
Won't be too long coming.  As I said up there somewhere, I broke my glasses and had to go get another pair sorted out.  They are due to be ready tomorrow, so, gimme a wee while to get used to them and it will be up here.  I can post stuff like this because I have 2x24" monitors on my PC so I have just changed the display size of the letters.  It's not so easy to work with blown up graphics.

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 21, 2016, 04:49:03 pm
Right then... If all goes to plan, one week from tomorrow I should get access to my future train room. Count down is underway, although I am stopping short of holding my breath (blue is not a good colour for the complexion).

As threatened in a previous post, here is the likely layout:(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Layout_zpse0iblqqi.png)
The downward pointing bit on the left will be an arrangement whereby I can place/remove a cassette. A sort of a simplistic fiddle yard.
The red coloured track on the right will represent a local branch terminating at the station, front and centre. That part will be under automated control and the idea is that a DMU will appear from time to time and sit at the station for a while before going off again to the great out-of-sight.
The bit in the middle, in green, is intended to be general shunting with an industrial building associated with at least one of the branches. I am thinking 'The Home Of The MacHaggis', complete with Golden Tartan Arches signage.

I have pretty well decided on where there will need to be areas that I can isolate for 'parking' but my current thoughts are all on the how and where of uncoupling arrangements. I don't want to change everything to allow for the Dapol system so I need to have a play with The Peco stuff or is there any other option? How many, where? ARGH!

Things are progressing regarding the PC/Arduino/various interfaces project but I will keep further comment on that aspect to the Arduino thread http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32176.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=32176.0)

It's gonna be a hectic week, yet again I have to move all my furniture (as I did when the new doors/windows went in). This time it's because they have to lift carpets and floor boards. I keep telling myself it's all going to be worth it once it's all done - it is, isn't it? (Say 'YES'!)
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Post by: keerout on June 21, 2016, 07:26:25 pm
Hi Zog,
Yes!
 (my landlord is putting in central heating, against my wishes next month; it's becourse EU regs...)  :thumbsdown:
Lucky no politics here   :telloff:  so we can skip my rant   :headbutt:
Anyhoo, take a look at this: http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=gaugemaster%20electric+%ACuncoupler%AC&style=&andor=&method=&strType=&OB=&currentpage=1 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=gaugemaster%20electric+%ACuncoupler%AC&style=&andor=&method=&strType=&OB=&currentpage=1)
Looks like a cheap way of uncoupling.... haven't tried it yet, but I tried Dapol's, and gone off them, too big and ugly.
With this everything is reversible (I think)
Gerard  :wave:
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 21, 2016, 08:40:16 pm
Good luck with the furniture moving, Allan. Don't go and injure yourself :worried:
The curvaceous layout plan looks great.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on June 21, 2016, 11:39:48 pm
 :hellosign: Alan the reply is of course yes, nice track plan as well, looking forward to developments
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 29, 2016, 09:28:32 pm
Yah-hoo! The plumbing/heating engineer chappies came today. They were quick, efficient and left everything clean and tidy, much the same as the guys who did the doors/windows a couple of months back. My plan was, at this stage, to start building baseboards and bench work etc. However, while the guys were here today, the main contractors man turned up. I had a chat with him and mentioned that I would like to get all of the internal work out of the way so that I could get on with other stuff. He nodded and agreed that that would be 'nice'. I thought 'Yeah, well, anyhow...' But, no, he had been listening. Just a short time later he came back with 'gas fitter guy', 'electric guy' and 'joiner chap'. 'eg' and 'jc' will be here TOMORROW to do the rest of the internal stuff and 'gfg' is coming early next week to move the meter out of the future train room. And it's not even my birthday! So, I'm going to give it a few more days. This is all good stuff!
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Post by: dannyboy on June 29, 2016, 09:40:36 pm
This is all good stuff!

Don't you just love it when things start going well?
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 30, 2016, 09:43:39 am
The main contractor's man obviously is a good chap, and is to be congratulated for employing multi coloured tradesmen :D
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Post by: cornish yorkie on June 30, 2016, 12:55:26 pm
 :hellosign: Good news Alan, looking forward to your build
regards Derek.
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Post by: keerout on June 30, 2016, 07:02:55 pm
Sounds like a nice bunch of builders
I'd say,  :beers: all round when they're finished  :thumbsup:
Gerard
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 30, 2016, 09:23:39 pm
This is all good stuff!

Don't you just love it when things start going well?
... and (yes, there is an and), 'main man' came back around today to see how it was all going. He asked me what I was going to do with the 'new' room. I explained that it was going to be my train room. He called out to 'electric guy' in the next room and told him to get with me later and make a note of where I wanted some extra sockets fitted. So 'eg'  is coming back in the middle of next week to install a couple of double sockets that are extras to what is on the plans.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 04, 2016, 02:22:32 pm
Gas fitter guy is here doing the prep for the gas meter move. But all is not as good as could be. Telecom have now announced that they are not going to be able to rerun the cabling as planned. It will now be moved to the other side of the building. This means they will have to rerun all the internal wiring inside the building. Moving the furniture AGAIN! Its STILL all going to be worth it in the end though.
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Post by: dannyboy on July 04, 2016, 03:03:17 pm
This is all good stuff!

Don't you just love it when things start going well?

Sorry, should have said, "when nearly all things start going well"  :)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2016, 02:20:34 am
I have got my sockets fitted in the train room now. Nice! And, the gas meter is still on track to be moved on Friday. All parts crossed!
I am giving serious thoughts to buying a ready built baseboard - the delay in getting going is the main prompt on that side of things. My thoughts are running in the direction of a basic, flat board to which I will glue a sheet of foam to allow for a river or a canal below nominal rail level. Sound deadening would be a bonus too. I have the tools and a reasonable degree of ability and I could build a baseboard but I think it would still be worth the time saved to buy one and then work on it. Not cast in stone though. Any comments on that would be most welcome.
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 07, 2016, 10:19:50 am
My immediate concern would be under board point motors but I'm sure others have overcome this issue.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2016, 01:18:42 pm
The wording I used in the above post was not of the best. As NPN realised, I don't mean simply a sheet of ply, and braces do need to be considered.
I have been thinking about point motors Nobster. Yeah.
The maths says the chance of a brace and a motor trying to occupy the same place, at the same time is low, I'll wait to see if Mr Murphy wants to contribute to the thread though.
The points motors i am going to use have a fairly small under board foot print so I'm reasonably sure they will be OK. Also, some experiments are suggesting that I could run them slightly remotely to the point if required too.
But, as I said, it ain't a firm decision just yet.
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Post by: railsquid on July 07, 2016, 01:42:18 pm
The problem with foam is that it can compress slightly with pressure, leading to uneven track. At least this is what's happened to my shelf layout. I'm not quite sure how it happened, possibly I've leant on it slightly while working on the track, possibly exacerbated by various channels excavated for wiring. Not bad enough to want to start over again but e.g. looking at photos of a rake of coaches on what should be a straight flat platform track shows evidence of subsidence, which I've partially mitigated by packing a couple of layers of cardboard under the tracks.

For the main layout, which will be on mainly flat prefabricated baseboards, I'll avoid placing track on elevated levels directly on foam, if at all on foam it will sit on a thin sheet of plywood (need to experiment).

(Due to the presence of windows and storage underneath I don't have much verticial freedom, and currently not really the time to mess about with making something myself, so flat prefabricated baseboards it is).
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2016, 02:49:23 pm
The problem with foam is that it can compress slightly with pressure, leading to uneven track. At least this is what's happened to my shelf layout. I'm not quite sure how it happened, possibly I've leant on it slightly while working on the track, possibly exacerbated by various channels excavated for wiring. Not bad enough to want to start over again but e.g. looking at photos of a rake of coaches on what should be a straight flat platform track shows evidence of subsidence, which I've partially mitigated by packing a couple of layers of cardboard under the tracks.

For the main layout, which will be on mainly flat prefabricated baseboards, I'll avoid placing track on elevated levels directly on foam, if at all on foam it will sit on a thin sheet of plywood (need to experiment).

(Due to the presence of windows and storage underneath I don't have much verticial freedom, and currently not really the time to mess about with making something myself, so flat prefabricated baseboards it is).
Thanks for that, you are pretty much echoing my own concerns. A different approach to the below track level features could be to use the modelling jigsaw that I have to cut a channel in the ply skin and then glue a suitable strip below the removed section. I'll have to decide soon coz I wanna see some trainz running! Its been tooooo long!  :thankyousign:
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Post by: railsquid on July 07, 2016, 03:31:59 pm
The problem with foam is that it can compress slightly with pressure, leading to uneven track. At least this is what's happened to my shelf layout. I'm not quite sure how it happened, possibly I've leant on it slightly while working on the track, possibly exacerbated by various channels excavated for wiring. Not bad enough to want to start over again but e.g. looking at photos of a rake of coaches on what should be a straight flat platform track shows evidence of subsidence, which I've partially mitigated by packing a couple of layers of cardboard under the tracks.

For the main layout, which will be on mainly flat prefabricated baseboards, I'll avoid placing track on elevated levels directly on foam, if at all on foam it will sit on a thin sheet of plywood (need to experiment).

(Due to the presence of windows and storage underneath I don't have much verticial freedom, and currently not really the time to mess about with making something myself, so flat prefabricated baseboards it is).
Thanks for that, you are pretty much echoing my own concerns. A different approach to the below track level features could be to use the modelling jigsaw that I have to cut a channel in the ply skin and then glue a suitable strip below the removed section. I'll have to decide soon coz I wanna see some trainz running! Its been tooooo long!  :thankyousign:

I know the feeling... small child has drastically reduced the amount of time I can expend in concentrated efforts getting baseboards and the like set up, I've finally got to the point where the baseboards are in place and I have a loop in more-or-less the planned arrangement (all hail Kato and Tomix track, so much more practical for the time-constrained) and can finally test out all the trains I've acquired in the year or so since I last had a roundy-roundy in place. Much testing is needed, it seems.

If you know more-or-less where the river's going, I'd do it like you suggest. I have one 30x90cm segment of the layout which I'm intending to make semi-modular so I can vary at least part of the layout, one plan for that (in the far and distant future) is to have a lowered segment with a small port.

Foam still makes an excellent basis for making smaller hills'n'stuff to vary the topography of a largely flat baseboard.

Foam can still be used to
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2016, 04:28:12 pm
Well, I did it, I have placed an order for a 6' x 2'6" baseboard with a 9mm top board. The whole thing to be in ply.
I don't know for sure yet where the hills, valleys and waterways will end up but I'll be sketching with a super heated pencil over the next while! I have a sort of a plan at the back of my over extended mind to build a canal in there with moving traffic. It's actually not too complex but it will be low priority.
By my calculations I could build the board for 25/30% of what I will pay for it but once I have added in the work and the possibility of mistakes and basic time to build, it looks like a bargain. I'm not going to say where I have ordered from but I will do a revue review (thanx Nobbster) with full details once I have the thing on hand and put together.
So, I now have time to get on with building my point motors and some other electrical/electronic parts. I still have some programming to complete on the control side too.

I am back in business! YEAH!
Now, where did I leave eBay? I have parts to order!!! And rail, and paint, and...
Time for a cup of tea I think. Yeah.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 07, 2016, 05:22:33 pm
For the sake of propriety and good taste, could I request you do a review rather than a revue as the thought of Zogbert Splod doing the can-can is placing a most unsavoury image in my brain cell :worried:
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Post by: dannyboy on July 07, 2016, 05:32:06 pm
Be fair NPN - the lad is just getting excited  ;D
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 07, 2016, 05:54:12 pm
For the sake of propriety and good taste, could I request you do a review rather than a revue as the thought of Zogbert Splod doing the can-can is placing a most unsavoury image in my brain cell :worried:
ARGH!  Can I please plead autocorrect coz I posted that one from my tablet. (It's not the first time it's dropped me in the poo-poo either! I should turn it off - but wait, it's still better than my brain powered spelling. Hmmmmm, I'll get back to you on that.)

And, dannyboy, as long as you are willing to address me as 'the lad', you will be one of the forums finest!!!!!
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 07, 2016, 11:20:35 pm
 :hellosign: All sounds good Alan, look forward to developments
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 09, 2016, 01:44:30 am
Gas fitter guy came today as promised and the meter is now moved out of my train space. Over the weekend I will get the room cleaned and ready for starting the build. There are a few dings and small holes in the walls left by all the gas and water pipes being removed. I'll deal with that with some filler. Possibly a bucket of 'magnolia' would be nice to get it all looking good.
I got an email from the people building my baseboard. That should be with me by the 20th or earlier. I didn't order legs for it coz I have some thoughts regarding that side of things. The baseboard comes as a sort of a slot together kit so I will need some clear space to assemble it. I'm gonna mark the floor for the area where it will be and use a couple of large carpet offcuts that I have to make things cozy.
Yes dannyboy, 'the lad is just getting excited'.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2016, 10:28:28 am
Exciting times, Zogbert :claphappy:
How about painting the room with a 'bucket' of sky blue rather than magnolia (beige)
Surely you don't want a beige room, and the blue would blend in as the sky for the layout :)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 09, 2016, 02:15:15 pm
Exciting times, Zogbert :claphappy:
How about painting the room with a 'bucket' of sky blue rather than magnolia (beige)
Surely you don't want a beige room, and the blue would blend in as the sky for the layout :)
Good points El Knobulator. The reason I went for the beige option was that the walls are that colour already, which leaves the choice (after filling the holes) of touch up or total repaint.
Now you have me thinking about back scenes - argh! Sheep, grazing under the palm trees, camels in the distance (in silhouette,  disappearing behind a Tesco Supermarket perhaps) - I'm not good at this - see what you done did?
But seriously, I have a couple of thoughts about back scenes using forced perspective. One of the biggest time wasting mistakes in my life was training in architecture. However, that did involve model building on a few occasions. I did learn some of the perspective stuff that I want to try out though. But that's for later.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 09, 2016, 10:27:45 pm
 :hellosign: Sounding good alan, thanks for the updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 20, 2016, 10:49:07 pm
My baseboard arrived today (kit form) so I hope to get a start on putting it together tomorrow. https://modelrailwaysolutions.co.uk/shop/modular-baseboard-systems/modular-baseboards/advanced-plywood-range-baseboard/6'x2'6%22-advanced-model-railway-baseboard (https://modelrailwaysolutions.co.uk/shop/modular-baseboard-systems/modular-baseboards/advanced-plywood-range-baseboard/6'x2'6%22-advanced-model-railway-baseboard) This is the one that I have bought, along with the predrilled top.
It arrived on the day promised, delivered by TNT in excellent condition. I have to say that I am impressed with what was in the package for the cost. All the ply part were there along with glue, panel pins and screws as required.
Yeah, I could have built it from scratch but without the proper equipment and space to work, it would just have been way too frustrating.
More tomorrow after I get the build underway.....
@Drakken (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1000)
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Post by: dannyboy on July 20, 2016, 11:00:58 pm
Taking into account that you have not got the proper equipment , or space to construct your baseboard, that does not look like a bad price for what you are getting. Keep us informed Alan.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 20, 2016, 11:15:24 pm
 :hellosign: & thanks for the updates Alan,
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 21, 2016, 11:54:47 am
Typical, just blurry typical! The builders doing the outside work around my flat decided that today was the ideal day to return with a digger to start the excavations for the foundation work on the building extension. The noise is horrendous, Builders-1,Me-0... OK, I'm going out, the baseboard might get started this evening... 
Grrrrrrr.....  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 22, 2016, 02:06:50 pm
I got on to building the baseboard last night and finished with the last screw a short time ago. Sat sitting here now I am. Watching the glue dry.
I am pleased with my purchase so far. I'll report on the rigidity overall after the glue sets up. I'm confident it'll be good though.
The next stage will be half an hour or so with some sandpaper and a wooden block around the exposed ply edges then some kind of sealer all round, a bit of filler and Robert becomes the sibling of one of your parents.
I still have to decide about the support structure but that simply depends on whether or not I'm going to use a drawer unit that I have as part of it.
I'll report on the final rigidity, probably tomorrow.
... and the happy chappy heads off to make a cup of coffee......  :)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 22, 2016, 04:25:44 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the update Alan, look forward to more
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 25, 2016, 05:42:34 pm
The glue dried nicely and the board is pretty rigid.
Some silly booger made a daft error with days and dates - oh, wait, that would be me! I have a couple if other claims on my time over the next day or two, so I have mixed up some, slightly thinned PVA which I am in the process of brushing into all the joints when opportunity allows. I'm not completely convinced that I need to do this but as I have the time I will do it.
As mentioned previously, the next stage will involve filler, sand paper and paint. (probably the vacuum cleaner too!)

A question :
As regards the painting aspect - I am intending to paint all sides and faces of the structure for sealing purposes. I know all but nothing about this subject. Will emulsion paint work for this task?  I am wondering about this because of the amounts of water that are used in some later aspects of a build, ballasting etcetera. All contributions of knowledge and experience would be more than welcome here.

Thanks to all for the continuing interest in what has become a hugely stretched out thread.
Regards, Allan.....  :thankyousign:
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Post by: Yet_Another on July 25, 2016, 05:58:12 pm
I wouldn't use emulsion just from the fact that one uses gloss or varnish for wood, and emulsion on the walls.

I've built a couple of laser cut plywood baseboards, and used aerosol cans of varnish from B&Q, just for the ease of getting it in all of the corners and holes in the cross members underneath.
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Post by: dannyboy on July 25, 2016, 09:35:54 pm

Thanks for the updates

Will emulsion paint work for this task?  I am wondering about this because of the amounts of water that are used in some later aspects of a build, ballasting etcetera.
 I would not use emulsion as a sealer, just because it is water based, paint it on bare wood and you may well find some water soaking into the baseboard. Having said that, I did not seal my coffee table layout and then used water, like in ballasting, and do not appear to have any problems  :hmmm:
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Post by: Malc on July 26, 2016, 01:51:27 pm
I used a cheap wood primer on my layout, and, when/if I get around to it, I will give the sides a coat of gloss. You can add colour to the primer so you don't get white patches if you miss a bit of the ground cover.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 26, 2016, 02:14:32 pm
My wee head was thinking on the same lines as dB and YA. I completely ignored a basic primer in the process!
Because of a lot of things, aerosols are not an option unfortunately (sigh)... I'll go and grab some primer and a couple of cheap brushes and 'slap it on all over' as 'enry used to say... A bit of filling and sanding first though... (and vacuuming!)
 :thankyousign: folks.....
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Post by: Malc on July 27, 2016, 12:16:24 pm
Buy a cheap 4 inch roller and tray from Poundland or similar. It makes things a lot easier and is much quicker.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2016, 10:17:46 am
I bought a large and a medium-sized (nylon?) paint brush and a large tin of matt brown paint from a local DIY shop and used those to seal the top surface of Cant Cove. A very inexpensive and quite quick solution.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 30, 2016, 09:48:47 pm
I cleared some space today, so that I could swing the board around a bit. I got hold of some thin varnish which I am told is a bit flexible. It's very thin, almost watery. Anyhow, it has soaked well in, to the point of looking like it's not even there. Since the layout will never leave the room it is currently in, I'll call it done. It's an internal room, no windows. I'm currently working on a support structure which will allow for tilting the whole shebang up at the front. This should make for easier installation of points servos and such things. I still have to decide how to handle decoupling.
As soon as the support setup is in, I intend to get started with a small, almost independent part of the layout. It's going to be a sort of a terminating branch line. The idea is that one of two DMUs will arrive from off scene to stop at a platform. Then, after a suitable period, it will return to whence it came. There will be a small amount of randomness applied to this to get away from boring predictability. (and to make it more realistic??) 
So, for the rest of this evening, cup of coffee, feet up... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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Post by: dannyboy on July 30, 2016, 11:00:53 pm
It's an internal room, no windows.

That's called a cell  :smiley-laughing: What have you been up to  :hmmm:

I bet you are 'chuffed' that you can finally get on with the layout after all the building work.  :beers:
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 30, 2016, 11:04:43 pm
 :hellosign:   :laughabovepost:




look forward to updates Allan, thanks for posting
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on July 31, 2016, 12:23:30 am
The part of the layout that I mentioned above, for the start of the build is the bit on the right, in blue. The key shows the blue as being block 4 on the controller, well, that has changed a bit. The blue section is now going to be automated and under the automated control of an Arduino. This will allow me to designate another part of the trackage as a separate block - i'm not sure where I will do that yet.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/ZogPanelPic_zpsrumj2xhg.png)
This image is going to be the front panel of the layout controller. The red 'blobs' are push button switches to toggle the points while the yellow 'blobs' are track isolating switches, to allow for parking of locos.

While this one:-
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/ScreenDisplay_zpsawvsdbcj.png)
shows how it will look on the computer screen. The red dashes indicate the status of each set of points. The areas which are isolated will loose colour and be shown as a white outline only as per the cassette area on the bottom left of the pic. The control software is all but completed but I still have to build the control panel. Right now it works with the standard keyboard.
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Post by: railsquid on July 31, 2016, 04:01:25 am
There will be a small amount of randomness applied to this to get away from boring predictability. (and to make it more realistic??) 
Staff shortages? Industrial action? Train cancelled due to lack of stock? ;)
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Post by: cornish yorkie on July 31, 2016, 11:07:07 pm
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Allan, very neat work
regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 02, 2016, 06:06:55 pm
Happy?  NO!
Easy to fix? YES!
Do I feel silly? OH YES!
I don't know how many times I have advised people NOT to go to places like B&Q for timber. However, the local branch advertised a closing down sale. So, tempted, along goes I! I went through the available lengths of what I needed to build the support frames for my baseboard. Then, after a fair bit of work, there they were, ready to install . I'm reasonably good at joinery so it was all looking completely acceptable. Up until today that is. I went to attach the frames, only to find that the wood had bent and buckled to the point where it had actually ripped apart some glued and screwed joints! One piece, 8" wide, had cupped across it's width to the point where one edge had risen by a full inch from it's mating piece.
I was not happy, so I made a call to B&Q where I was told that I should have stored it for 28 to 30 days in the place where it would be used. That way 'most of it would have gone past the buckling stage and straightened out again - that's the way wood is you know!'.  I replied, :censored: ,well, never mind what I replied!
So, my 60% off was no saving, in fact it was exactly the opposite. Why don't I listen to my own preaching?
Anyhow, a local REAL timber merchant is supplying what I need tomorrow and has assured me that the wood will be stable for use immediately. So, not too much time lost and a lesson learned. I'm still spitting mad though.
:veryangry: :veryangry: :veryangry:
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Post by: Malc on August 02, 2016, 10:32:27 pm
I've bought wood from there before, after sorting through the pile. Some of it would come back to you if you threw it away.
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Post by: Mito on August 02, 2016, 10:43:03 pm
As a committed collector of anything that could be useful sometime, keep the wood. You never know! :D
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 02, 2016, 10:44:50 pm
Come get it mate! LOL
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 03, 2016, 10:19:27 pm
I learned a valuable lesson today. Having wasted time and money at B&Q a few days back I went to a local REAL timber merchant this afternoon. I got some nice looking lumber to re-build the support structure for my baseboard. Not only was it nice looking, straight material, it actually worked out less expensive than the B&Q stuff even after their closing down discount! Following that, I went to ScrewFix for some fixings I need. They don't do nuts/bolts/washers and such in small quantities. When the guy told me I would need to buy (as an example) a pack of 50 bolts I thought, 'nah, Ill have to go somewhere else.' Then he told me the price. It was around the same price as a pack of 10 at the other place... Until I looked on the net earlier today I had thought that ScrewFix was trade only.

Today was a better day that yesterday! Oh yeah..... :wave:
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Post by: Yet_Another on August 03, 2016, 10:50:29 pm
Just so you know, B&Q and Screwfix are both part of the same company, Kingfisher. ;)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 03, 2016, 11:14:30 pm
I didn't know that. That fact makes the difference in practice and pricing even more astonishing. My mind is even more blown!!!

Thanks for the information.
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Post by: daveg on August 04, 2016, 06:17:23 am
Wilkinsons (Wilko) do loose nuts and bolts and the like.

No idea if they have branches where you are though.

Dave G
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 04, 2016, 10:23:36 am
Just goes to show that when you go to a branch of B & Q for timber, that's what you get -- branches.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 04, 2016, 08:06:20 pm
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 09, 2016, 01:14:15 am
I need to get a grip! After the long drawn out wait to get back to building my layout and the arrival and assembly of the baseboard, I still don't have an inch of track laid down.  I keep changing my mind about how to proceed...
Currently, I am thinking that I want to put a foam topper on to the baseboard.
I'm looking at Celotex (spelling?)...  I have never used that stuff for anything of this nature but here's the question... My idea was to use it so that I could get some of the ground level down below track level. But, I see that it comes with a foil lining. Can I peel that off the top side so that I can rasp it down to form undulations of the ground? If that's a no, what could I use instead?  I was thinking of using a curved rasp to shape the foam over areas.
All suggestions welcome... I was thinking that the 50mm option would work for the purpose.

Thanks, Allan.....
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Post by: Ditape on September 09, 2016, 04:48:11 am
I can't remember for sure but I got some from wickes that has no foil on it.
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Post by: daveg on September 09, 2016, 06:23:10 am
I have used Celotex over 9mm ply to get the effect you are looking for.

Peel the quite thick foil off and keep it to help build your hills/tunnels!

You can carve the material but it does have reinforcing fibres that need to be cut so best to use a sharp knife.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/8/main_35170.jpg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/main_28554.jpg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/main_28554.jpg)

HTH

Dave G
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Post by: daveg on September 09, 2016, 06:40:35 am
As a PS to my post, peel the foil off BOTH side as the foam will warp if you only strip one side!

I guess if there are cheaper, non foiled alternatives, they may be worth considering.

Dave G
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Post by: Yet_Another on September 09, 2016, 01:17:33 pm
I've bought a stock of this stuff for mine:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172320499575 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172320499575)

It's closed cell polystyrene foam, NOT expanded polystyrene. I contacted the seller to get exactly what I wanted. Possibly a little expensive for just a sheet or two, but you might be able to find some locally.

It's more robust than Celotex.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 10, 2016, 03:20:09 pm
 :thankyousign: Thanks for the foam board info. I think I've found a local place that has something that will work, I'm going to take a look on Tuesday.
Moving on, is there a standard way to mount switch machines under/inside this material? I'm not interested in surface mounting these. I'm currently building the units using small servo motors. I was thinking I would mount the points on thin ply or mdf with the motor under and then recess the foam to suit, with a deeper cutout where the motor itself comes. Does that sound like it's a way to go? Any other suggestions would be welcome.....

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Yet_Another on September 11, 2016, 03:46:38 pm
I haven't got that far yet, but I'm thinking broadly along similar lines.

I have a couple of complex point & crossover structures that I'm planning to build as separate demountable sub-boards, with points and motors attached. Should make assembly and maintenance easier.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 12, 2016, 03:46:23 pm
Just got home a short while back. I got the insulation stuff to top out my baseboard. It's a no name item from a local company. That's all I can tell you about it, except that it's NOT that nasty little polystyrene balls glued together stuff. The guy at the yard was really helpful and recommended a heavy-duty PVA for attaching it. He even chucked in a brush to spread it at no charge. He also said that, since I have straight edges to work along, a used, slightly blunted, hacksaw blade would be good for trimming after the glue dries. He had a look around his scrap area and gave me a couple of those too.

That's my third venture into the world of small local businesses since the local B&Q closed down. My eyes have been opened, big time. I am now paying less, getting better quality, much better service and advice from people who seem to know what they are talking about.

If i can get the energy up a notch I'll even start some gluing down tonight!
Is that a train on my horizon?
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 12, 2016, 07:38:39 pm
Thank goodness this happened when it did! There I am, stood standing there, getting ready to start gluing down some insulation stuff on the top of the baseboard - suddenly, I realise, 'Oh no! This layout ain't gonna work! I can't really reach that corner properly!!!' A bit of thought followed, 'Ah! Wait,' thinks I, 'It's not so bad, if I just flip it over it'll be fine!'
So, off to the electric PC confuzer I go. <<FLIP!!!>> Yeah! Ah, but NO! Suddenly, I see before me, a layout with 'leading' points all over the place and a cassette location that goes through a wall. After a good 'examin' it looks like some of them are actually acceptable (not the going through the wall bit), so, do I fire up SCARM and sort it out or do I look for a nice friendly forum full of people who's hobby is gluing soup tin labels into scrap books?
If you never see another post on here from me you will know which way the decision went...
If option one wins out, I'll start the gluing down tomorrow, but wait, if option two wins, I'll still be 'gluing down' tomorrow... ARGH! My brain hurts!!!
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2016, 10:31:27 pm
Sounds to me like you have opened Pandora's Box, taken out a can of worms and then thrown it into a hornet's nest :confused1:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 12, 2016, 10:53:28 pm
My sympathy lies completely with Pandora!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 15, 2016, 01:23:26 am
OK, I fought off the thoughts of soup tin label collecting and glued down some foam on top of the baseboard. Just one little bit to do and then a wee while for the glue to dry. I'm gonna slap on some earth coloured emulsion too. I'll need to do some patching up after I get the terrain carved but that will be after the track is laid.

The first part to go down is going to be a branch line which will terminate at the station. I think I said before, it's going to work as a shuttle thingie. I have got the Arduino control working but it will need a bit of fine tuning once it's actually on the layout but I think that will go easily enough. It's not very complex and works just fine on an Arduino Nano with a single channel H-bridge to do the switching. I bought 5 nano's for around £11 from BangGood so I'm quite pleased that all is well in that respect.

I can hardly believe it, after all this time, I'm gonna have some track down again!!!!!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 22, 2016, 02:40:22 pm
Right then, the foam is all glued down. The PVA took a while to dry but it is firmly fixed. The edges are trimmed and will be sanded lightly later today. Then a bit of paint and the baseboard will be done.

So, back to the planning. The original concept, a DMU shuttling in and out of the station from off scene on the right hand end of the layout has been moved to the left when I flipped it all over. Not only that though. Thanks to some help from @Only Me (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) in a different thread, I now have two DMU's to play with. I'm going to change the software to randomise which DMU appears to add some interest. I'll get that underway in a day or few - soon as the paint on the baseboard dries... Then it's the 'big order' for rail and points.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on September 27, 2016, 01:33:23 am
The last few days have been a total bust. The construction work has come back to my end of the block. It's all outside working for the moment but the noise is horrendous. They are removing the existing cavity wall insulation prior to installing the new outside skin on the entire building. I asked why they were not just leaving it and was told that some of it, in places, was wet and if left could cause damp inside. They can't tell exactly where it's wet so it is all coming out. NOISY process!!!
On the other hand, it doesn't take a lot of concentration to build a foam cutter, so I'm doing that. Once it's built I will get back to building the shuttle aspect of my layout. I can't concentrate on the programming for that during the day and by evening I am pooped!
As I have said before, it's gonna be worth it once it's all done but it's not easy to live with right now.
The base board is all ready, foam glued down and a base coat of paint applied, it looks at me accusingly every time I pass the door of the room it's sitting in.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. and stuff.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on September 27, 2016, 10:17:22 am
Sorry to hear of the hold up, Allan, and hope you're back on track( :-X) very soon.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 01, 2016, 11:38:30 pm
Well, I finished my foam cutter at least. And it cost nothing to build too. All the parts came from stuff that I had on hand. The base is some scrap wood (plastic covered - I think it was supposed to be drawer front material). The support is made from some parts from a cheap Meccano Set clone that I got years ago from a near-pound-shop place. The cutting wire is held in the pins from a 13 amp plug that I literally found outside in the street! The pins are drilled and bolted to the top and bottom of the support arm and the base. The cutter wire is fixed in place using the flex screws. The cutting element is a piece of Kanthal wire that I had from when I used to wind coils for my early ecigs. It's all powered by 6 'D' cells and works really well.
Tomorrow I will try to get something done on the servo driven point for the shuttle section of the layout. The workmen won't be here, so all crossable parts are crossed!!!
Someone gave me a few sheets of polly insulation. It's that stuff made from small balls stuck together but if I cut it with my new device it should be OK and not make a mess. (he said, in hope!)
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 02, 2016, 04:59:31 am
Here's wishing for a day of peace and a successful cutting operation. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 02, 2016, 06:46:30 am
Looking forward to seeing this develop. (It's been a long wait for you.)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 03, 2016, 01:46:26 pm
Wonder of wonders! I actually achieved something yesterday... OK, in the grand scheme, not a lot,  but after the last few months, it was very satisfying. I got a servo powered point working! It's mounted on a small piece of 9mm ply with the servo underneath in a piece of aluminium channel. The whole assembly will be set into a suitable hole which I will cut into the foam on the baseboard. I'm going to excavate for that once I get some track soldered later. It may all have to wait till the scaffold boogers stop at 4 o'clock though.

Mounting the servo was a pain. I got it all ready to go, only to discover that I had cut off the wrong support arm so it had to come out for 're-processing' (for want of a better word!).

As I said, not a huge step forward but in the right direction at least. Do I mean 'at least' or 'at last' - huh, BOTH!  :D
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 03, 2016, 10:34:31 pm
I got some track glued down today! Oh yes I did!!! Not a huge amount but enough to allow me to start cutting up some foam tomorrow in the plan to build the hill that will hide my 'shuttle service' DMU's. As soon as I get that sorted and working I will re-start posting in the building forum. There is work to do in regard to the Arduino software to drive that aspect of the layout and I will post progress in that direction in my Arduino thread in the Electronics part of the forum.

GAWD! Doesn't Copydex HONK! I have a Copydex headache right now.

Progress is still VERY slow but it is now progress for sure.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 04, 2016, 05:17:54 pm
So who's a bit of a plonker then? Choose from the following list: ME! :dunce:

With the track laid for the shuttle service line, I went to cut the foam to start the build up for the hill that was going to hide the off-scene area, only to find that I have nothing that I can use to transfer the track layout to the foam sheets. I had to stay around today for a site meeting with the housing people but I will go out in the morning and buy a roll of lining paper. I was forced to say,"Pee, poo, belly, bum, drawers!". I have a feeling that I may have added "knickers" also but I'm not certain, I may have said :censored: .

Still, plenty to be getting on with... I'll extend the wiring from the servo on the points tonight and get the sub-routine to drive it finalised - then have another cup of tea!

In case anyone likes this sort of thing, here are a couple of views of the front of my block as it was today...
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/20161004_130643_zpss3cu9zmj.jpg)(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/20161004_130556_zpsmnnjymno.jpg)
Can you see why I have been a bit hassled this last while?
(big crane ain't it!)
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 07, 2016, 08:58:24 pm
The foam cutter I built a few days back is not going to do the job. It cuts brilliantly but it has too much flex in the (what's the right word?) scaffold (that'll do). I can't cut a straight line. So, tomorrow I'll see about rebuilding that part of it. Loads of timber bits and bobs so it shouldn't take long. Annoying though. The noise outside and around is still pretty hard to live with so I'm thinking a few days out here and there, might be in order. There is a canal centre and a railway museum not too far away. Just thoughts right now but attractive thoughts.
Things are moving on with the layout, all be it VERY slowly, so I'm a lot happier than I was a short while back.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on October 07, 2016, 09:00:59 pm
Slow but steady progress can be good. 8-) All too often when I rush, I make mistakes. A short break away will be refreshing, I think.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 07, 2016, 10:23:02 pm
 :hellosign: All progress is good Alan, look forward to more updates
regards Derek.
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Post by: Mito on October 09, 2016, 06:26:18 pm
A good idea to get away for a while, it's good for the soul!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 10, 2016, 04:22:09 pm
Blurry 'ello! Now another lot need to come into the flat! All external walls need to be checked for integrity before the machines are connected to suck out the existing cavity wall insulation.

Then, Sky or someone else is coming to install a communal TV connection. I don't have/want a TV but nonetheless...

Then, Openreach are coming to move the phone lines from the front of the block to the back. That's for no good reason and they admit that. They just think it would be 'better'!!!

HUH, I thought it was all over bar the shouting... Foolish creature that I am..... :veryangry:  :censored:  :veryangry:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 19, 2016, 01:07:06 am
Oh, woe is me!
It gets worse! There has been some small patches of asbestos insulation found in the roof of the block. This was completely undocumented so it came as a total surprise to the guys who were preparing it all for the new roof to be fitted. Due to the location of this stuff and the low pitch of the roof it will have to be removed by a specialist company and down through the ceilings of the affected flats. Mine is not directly involved as the block is three storeys high and I am on the ground floor. But the people above are being moved out and then moved back later. There are seven families involved and the moves will be in ones and twos. The whole project will be delayed by around eight weeks.

This whole thing is turning into a complete shambles. The project manager told me today that, if they had known from the start about all of the problems, it would never have been contemplated. They now have so much money in it that they can't afford not to complete it. The original estimate was in the region of 1.2 million but it is already 150% of that and not yet finished adding costs.
So, the noise, dirt and dust continues. How long for? No idea as we now have winter to add in to the equation.

Pee, po, belly, bum, drawers.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 10:12:19 am
Lawks a mercy, Allan. Take refuge in your trains.
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Post by: Malc on October 19, 2016, 10:38:10 am
As they say, Allan, "it never rains, but it pours". Seems like it's hissing down where you are.😄
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Post by: dannyboy on October 19, 2016, 10:41:56 am
You will look back on this when it is all done, (2019?) and laugh????
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 19, 2016, 12:04:00 pm
You will look back on this when it is all done, (2019?) and laugh????
Yes, you'll be able to hear it through the barred window of my padded cell!!!  (insert sound of heavy sigh here)
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Post by: Yet_Another on October 19, 2016, 12:18:34 pm
From all the work you've described over the months, it almost sounds as if they would have been better off knocking it all down and starting again. :dunce:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 19, 2016, 02:56:20 pm
From all the work you've described over the months, it almost sounds as if they would have been better off knocking it all down and starting again. :dunce:
Well, the work being done is to improve the property. It wasn't critically bad but was going to benefit from some upgrading. The original plan was for about 5 weeks worth of work which, due to the timetables involved with contractors/sub-contractors would be done over 5 months. That all looked good.  Some of the delivered components were substandard and had to be re-sourced. This leads to delays which cause ripple through effects with the next contractor due on site. Then a few undocumented, so unplanned for, things add to it all. I could go on, no point though. My shrug muscles are getting a good work out however.
You are right that it may have been cheaper to knock it down and start over but that was never going to be a plan because none of the work was really necessary. It was all intended as improvements as opposed to necessity.
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 03:07:22 pm
From all the work you've described over the months, it almost sounds as if they would have been better off knocking it all down and starting again. :dunce:
It was all intended as improvements as opposed to necessity.

But none of it has improved your state of mind or well-being, let alone the building.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 19, 2016, 03:18:05 pm
From all the work you've described over the months, it almost sounds as if they would have been better off knocking it all down and starting again. :dunce:
It was all intended as improvements as opposed to necessity.

But none of it has improved your state of mind or well-being, let alone the building.
I have a much improved heating/hot-water system and a back door which I am potentially pleased with. I say 'potentially' because I have not been able to open it yet as the back of the building is completely encased in scaffolding which is required for the roof work. You are spot on with your comment.
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Post by: cornish yorkie on October 19, 2016, 10:58:30 pm
 :hellosign: Hang in there Alan, although  I'm sure you'll be happy when all the work is completed
  regards Derek.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on December 10, 2016, 01:48:20 am
It's now around the three week mark since Sky and OpenReach came in to my flat and drilled holes through to the outside for cabling to fit communal TV aerials and cabling for the re-routed phone lines. The cables are still lying inside coiled up but with no connector boxes on the wall.

The phone is still running through the old cable but that has been damaged and the phone is very noisy and it doesn't ring. No ring means no response so at least that may mean that my number will fall off the end of the databases that some people use to try to sell me PPI and computer virus removal services.

The OpenReach people tell me that they are not being allowed on site to complete the work on the new cabling while the main contractor tells me that OpenReach are not turning up to do the work when they are supposed to.

I have also been told that the Sky cables (two loops of cable on my living room floor) will probably not be terminated until the rest of the outside work has been completed. I have no idea when this will be, neither does anyone else - 'It's very weather dependant you know!' I don't have or want a television so that side of things doesn't bother me but I hate having the cable loops on the floor in the way of everything. The best estimate, with nothing else going wrong (LOL), is eight weeks plus weather. It's Scotland and it's winter, need I say more? It could easily go to three months.

Fed up? - Oh yeah! I live on a building site don'cha know!!!!!

:veryangry: :censored:  :help: :censored: :veryangry:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on December 10, 2016, 02:02:16 am
Oh yeah - I forgot to say, I've built a couple of sensors for my layout too. Interrupted light beam units that feed into an Arduino which then controls the speed of the DMU as it pulls into and out of the station. It's working as a bare bones system but still needs to select (at random) which of the 'off scene' DMU's makes the trip on each occasion. It'll be something that works completely under computer control and will operate totally independently of the main layout. Sort of in the class of those funfair scenes that some layouts feature. I don't like the funfair ones but I think this is a little more relevant. I'll detail it once I can say that it's at the place where I can make a video of it happening. I'll also post the Arduino code at that time too. Don't hold yer breath though - the flat 'improvements' are not helping progress...

Allan.....
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Post by: Yet_Another on December 10, 2016, 09:22:34 am
Keep your pecker up, Allan. I had noticed an absence of posts, so it's good to hear from you.
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Post by: Newportnobby on December 10, 2016, 01:47:19 pm
Very sorry to hear you're still being messed about by incompetents, Allan.
The DMU shuttle sounds very interesting but Arduinos are just part and parcel of electrickery black magic to me so you might as well be speaking Parseltongue :-[
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on December 17, 2016, 10:54:13 pm
...and here we go again! The saga continues... Another letter has come in from the landlord. The NEW estimate for the completion of the building works is now - wait for it - the end of MAY! It started in March with an estimate of 5 weeks work which quickly became 5 weeks work spread over 5 months... The end of the coming May will be 14 months.And, that does not include for the completion of the necessary landscaping. I say necessary because the ground level needs to be raised to allow us all to use our new back doors. Had I known all of this at the start I would have moved. For now, while I am not looking for another place, I would be interested if something came up. They have also said that, due to all of the delays, some work will be carried out at week ends. This has been the only respite from living on a building site and now that is going be partly removed from us also.
ENOUGH ALREADY!
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Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2016, 10:57:48 pm
Very sorry to read about this, seemingly, endless saga.
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Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2016, 10:29:59 am
That's awful, Allan :o
Is there an ombudsman of some sort or maybe the Citizens Advice Bureau you can consult? Possibly even Trading Standards?
The Spanish Inquisition had less success in torturing people with the comfy chair and soft cushions ::)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on December 18, 2016, 09:55:17 pm
That's awful, Allan :o
Is there an ombudsman of some sort or maybe the Citizens Advice Bureau you can consult? Possibly even Trading Standards?
The Spanish Inquisition had less success in torturing people with the comfy chair and soft cushions ::)
Not really Mick. The thing is, they are not doing anything that is terribly wrong. They started the work in good faith and things just started to go wrong. The biggest single holdup has been the question of the asbestos found in the roof insulation. That had been installed before the asbestos question ever raised its ugly head and, thus, had not been properly documented as being there. Once it had been found, further investigations showed up more and more of it. Delays caused during that survey and the start of the removal work led to delays and changes in the program of work. Along with the problems that were introduced by this into the timetable of availability among contractors/sub-contractors we arrive at a shambles.
Right now I am feeling calm enough to explain it. THIS WILL NOT LAST! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........
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Post by: Malc on December 19, 2016, 03:02:31 pm
Cor blimey Allan, if it wasn't for bad luck, you'd have no luck at all. Hope it's quiet over Christmas and you have a good time.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 28, 2017, 06:47:31 pm
Time for another update... The workmen are still doing their thing at week ends, well, on the week ends when they are not rained off anyhow! Christmas and New Year came and went.
As I mentioned in another thread, I learned about, and have now joined, the local 'Men's Shed' organisation. The local 'Shed' is fairly new and has some growing to do but holds a lot of promise. I was in there a couple of days ago and did a small amount of work on an aspect of the layout to come. I had been interested to note a little upsurge here, on the forum, of Arduino interest. That got me thinking once more of the subject which I mentioned in post #348 above. When I made that post I was playing around with some components and lumps of BluTac but I have now started building some sensors that will become proper parts of the layout once it comes to be some kind of reality.
This post is made in the interests of continuity and I will put a few more details in the Arduino thread that I have in the 'electronics' forum.

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Newportnobby on January 28, 2017, 08:42:36 pm
Time for another update... The workmen are still doing their thing at week ends, well, on the week ends when they are not rained off anyhow! Christmas and New Year came and went.


Have they given you any idea of a finish date, Allan?
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 28, 2017, 10:31:08 pm
Not a proper one Mick, no. It's very weather dependant. However, they are now working some week ends to try to catch up.
All that I can say to the good is that they are making a lot of effort to get it done and the stuff that involves them coming into the flat is pretty near completed but for one item which is just some work around the front door.
The good that has come out of this, as I have said before, is that I now have much more room for the layout. Since I first said that was to be the case, I have spent a lot of time working and re-working my plan for what I want to build. In the last few days I have now decided that I can do things a bit more productively and I now have even more space than I thought. So, yet again, it's me and SCARM spending some time together. I have setup the baseboard that I had bought and now I will be taking it down again and moving it. That's not a huge amount of work though and then I need to get the other part of it (for the extended area) bought or built.
I am feeling more positive than I have for a long time...
Hope all is good with you...

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 05, 2017, 05:21:06 pm
I'm still not quite able to start the proper work on the complete layout yet. Things are still happening regarding work on my flat. Close to the end now though.
For now, I have been doing a few trial things for the sake of (relative) sanity!...
First, an update on the flat itself. This is a difficult one. At the last residents/architect/contractor/land lord meeting it was suggest with a nudge and a wink that I would be considered 'very favourably' if wanted to move into one of the new build flats that form part of the work that has been on going for so long. Since I am in a near constant state of shambles as a result of the ongoing stramash, if I were to move, now would be the best time. I am looking at that as a serious option. I mentioned that I would be reluctant to employ a moving company for what is not much more than a move to the place next door and the landlord said that they would supply labour to do the actual move if I would accept responsibility and supply supervision. I guess that I would have to do the necessary packing also. Might happen!

OK, now the layout planing update...
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/MimicBoard_zpsn5hpj7kt.png)

The basic layout of the layout (did I REALLY say that?) stays the same with the addition of a bit on the bottom right. When I found that I had a bit more space than I originally thought, I added that bump at the bottom to allow for some more scenic opportunity. I want to get into the possible alternative living space (see above) with a tape measure before any final decision on that however. So, the thoughts and experiments have centred on the small shuttle line on the left of the picture. (in red)

Here it is in a little bit of detail:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/Shuttle%20Line_zpsjfqtmd5r.png)

The concept is that a random choice will be made between the two 2-car DMUs which are under the hill to the left. The point will be set to suit that choice. The unit will appear through a tunnel portal and pull into the terminus where it will remain for a time before returning from whence it came. After a further random time the process will repeat.
The above operation will be under the control of an Arduino and will have a completely separate power supply etc. from the remainder of the layout.
My next post will include pictures of the final version of the control electronics but the details will essentially be as follows...
S1, 2, 3 & 4 are (or were!) the commonly available proximity sensors that are available for almost pennies. They feature on many other threads on the forum. They work by detecting reflected IR light. I did not find them to be completely reliable so I removed the sender (an IR LED) from the board and mounted it remotely across the track from the receiver. The presence of a train between the sender and receiver is much easier to detect. The logic is reversed but that is not a problem and is simple to deal with in the software. I will illustrate the method of mounting the parts as soon as I have come up with the final version.
The basic software sequence is this:
1) Select (random) DMU1 or DMU2
2) Set point to suit
3) Apply power to track using a small H-bridge controlled by the Arduino. The module controls polarity, thus direction of travel and also includes an enable pin which is used to control the speed of the train. (this makes it a PWM system)
4) When the train passes sensor S3 it starts the slow down sequence
5) S4 stops the train completely. (The slow down/stop still needs to be fine tuned for a realistic appearance.)
6) After a delay the train will move out and return to the startup point under the hill. Stopping there will be under the control of the Arduino using sensor S1 or S2 as appropriate.
Following a random delay, steps 1 to 6 above will repeat as long as the system is under power. The layout operator will have no control over the system other than a basic power switch to enable/disable it.

All of the wiring for the test setup of the above is carried out using colour coded wiring but for neatness it is combined into multicore cables. I mention this because, possibly, there are some people who don't know how to achieve this easily. I take lengths of the chosen coloures of wire and knot them together at one end. I then use a door knob to hook them over. They then get run out to the length required (and a bit extra) to allow for waste and shortening which occurs at the next step. The wires are then cut to length and, again, knotted together. This second knot is placed into the chuck of an electric drill. Keeping enough pull on the drill and running it at medium speed twists the wires together forming a cable. NOT TOO TIGHT!!! On completion of the 'twist-up' stage the knots are simply cut away and the cable allowed to relax. At this the cable may well spring back and get a little knotted up. This can be avoided by applying a SLIGHT pull before removing it from the drill chuck. Over doing the twisting and/or the final pull could possibly damage a conductor in your new cable but I have never had this happen. It would be a good idea to check the continuity before using the cable however. No need to add an unnecessary problem!
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/Zogbert_Splod/wires_zps9c0w3q3z.png)

So, there ye go... That's where I am for now.

Regards, Allan.....
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Post by: Mito on March 05, 2017, 06:27:38 pm
I've twisted wires as you have very successfully.
I think I'd take your landlords offer up and move into a new build and peace and quiet.
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Post by: dannyboy on March 05, 2017, 07:46:40 pm
I've twisted wires as you have very successfully.      That is a good idea  :thumbsup:
I think I'd take your landlords offer up and move into a new build and peace and quiet.      I agree with Mito on this
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Post by: Malc on March 05, 2017, 10:24:39 pm
Did all my ancillary wiring, points etc by twisting wires together that way. I guesstimate at 20% extra to allow for twisting, but it depends on the tightness you want.
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Post by: N-Gauge-US on March 19, 2017, 06:50:22 pm
Thanks very much for update and the info on the sensors and Shuttle layout. I have an Arduino based project that is also in the planning stages and requires sensors and so am glad to see others guinea pig for me! I noticed you said you remove the ir led and set it across the track. This is a very common solution to this problem but I'm afraid it won't work for me as I need too many sensors and hiding them would be difficult. Did you try the reflective tape on the bottom solution as well? I've read that some have good success getting the sensors to pick up under track if they have mounted reflective tape or foil to the bottom of their rolling stock. Thanks again for the update and good luck with the apartment!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on March 20, 2017, 03:56:31 am
...Did you try the reflective tape on the bottom solution as well?...
No, I didn't try that. I guess I could have, but I have loads of room under the hill where the DMUs are going to 'live' so I just went for doing the remote LED system.
Regarding my flat, I have another meeting with the landlord and the architect next Thursday and I hope to have something to add at that time. Many thanks for your good luck wishes.
 :thankyousign:
Regards, Allan.....
@N-Gauge-US (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4712)
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Post by: Newportnobby on March 20, 2017, 10:59:18 am

Regarding my flat, I have another meeting with the landlord and the architect next Thursday and I hope to have something to add at that time. Many thanks for your good luck wishes.


I hope the news is good, Allan. I always get a little worried before opening up your posts lately :worried:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 25, 2017, 12:25:50 am
Well, it's been a while since I updated this thread.  Still nothing much good to add however.  I went along with the architect for a look at the new build flat that I was offered.  As somewhere to live, it's nice.  Not perfect but very nice.  However, it's smaller than my existing place.  You see, when the updated heating/hotwater system went in I gained the place where the older/larger system was removed and that was/is to be my train room.  The new build was designed and built with the smaller, newer heating systen included so, no train room!  Since the availability of the new place and the completion of the work on the existing flat will happen at around the same time, I will likely stay where I am.

Now, completion... That's a painful word.  This thread has been a catalogue of problems so why change a 'winning' theme? (he said with a bit of sarcasm or something like it)  It was close to the monoblocking stage at the front of the property when they found a really nasty, muddy section under the existing slabbed area that was being lifted to allow the new finish to be applied.  Investigation showed that the old, clay drains has a lot of collapsed sections.  Now it is all to be removed, treated and replaced with new, improved, modern drains.  Projected finish now for the work has moved back to 'probably the end of summer'...

Can't seem to win for loosing.....
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Post by: dannyboy on June 25, 2017, 12:31:56 am
You are having some problems with your flat renovations  ???. It never rains but it pours as they say ............. maybe I should not have said that with you having collapsed drains  :doh:. (You can get treatment for it  :)). Good luck with it all.  :beers:
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Post by: Newportnobby on June 25, 2017, 09:28:48 am
Dearie me, Allan. It's all drains and no trains at present :(
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Post by: Bealman on June 25, 2017, 09:42:42 am
Good luck with it, mate. I have had similar problems with clay foundations.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Malc on June 26, 2017, 08:25:42 am
We can only hope that it will really be finished soon. This tale of woe can't go on, can it? Best wishes.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2017, 12:09:30 am
We can only hope that it will really be finished soon. This tale of woe can't go on, can it? Best wishes.
I don't have numbers Malc, but I'm willing to bet they are thinking they should have left well enough alone or even gone for a demolition and a complete rebuild.
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Post by: dannyboy on June 27, 2017, 12:13:33 am
even gone for a demolition and a complete rebuild.

That would probably have been the quickest option  :)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on June 27, 2017, 12:16:06 am
I really think it would have been les costly too...
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Post by: Yet_Another on June 27, 2017, 11:49:29 am
Apologies for the levity, I really feel for you, but this just came to mind...



Hindsight is always 20/20, they say.
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Post by: Byegad on June 27, 2017, 02:28:34 pm
I think our OP's problems will all be solved when Nicola Another-Phish gets her way and the Scots vote the 'right' way. The new Jerusalem that Scotland will become over-night will see model railways spontaneously spring up all over the land.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on August 29, 2017, 04:51:40 pm
Well, it's been a while.  Do things get better?  Uh, not really.  It's been said before, but they really should have knocked the whole place down and started over.  There is so much money poured into it now that that is not going to happen.  There is still some talk of the residents having to move out on a temporary basis so I still have my layout plans on hold.
Here is the latest snap shot:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/4202-290817162426.jpeg)
That was taken today from my front door, looking along the front of the building.  The doorway is currently closed off by a half height boarding arrangement which I leaned over to get that pic.  We are all forced to use the back doors for now and this is projected to be so for the next 3 weeks.  I am particularly annoyed about this development as I had advised the landlord about this drainage problem being there some 5 years ago and again 2 years ago.  They now have to replace all of the drains to the building, storm water, grey water and foul water.
My first forum drip on the subject of the work on the building was in August, 2015, so it's now 2 years since this nonsense started.
Will it ever end?  (answer on a postcard, addressed to my landlord)
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Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2017, 09:14:57 pm
Blimey, Allan :goggleeyes:
It must be awful living on a building site and with no end in sight you can rely on.
I'm sure your sense of humour (and the odd sticking of pins in an effigy of your landlord) will carry you through.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 10, 2017, 12:40:52 am
Oh frumuous day!  We finally got our front doors back this morning.  That pic up there^ is not the case anymore.  The ground work has been completed and the area is now mono blocked and the new fences installed.  Also, the subcontractors have all removed their containers and portable workshops.  There is still some work to do as regards the new build flats that are linking the two blocks and a small amount of finalising at the back.  Then it's just general tidying and making good around the parking area.  All that will involve me, I THINK, is that they have a small amount of 'make good' work and an extractor fan to fit in my kitchen.

This has been the longest two years of my life!

I am hoping to get back to building a layout very soon now (unless I have jinxed it by saying that and the entire place gets taken away by an alien space craft!).  There are only five of the original twelve tenants who have stuck it out.  If I'd had any concept at the start I would have probably moved out too.  Anyhow, I think there is an end in sight at last.
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Post by: David Asquith on October 10, 2017, 07:32:05 am
Great news.  Very pleased for you.

Dave
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Post by: dannyboy on October 10, 2017, 08:33:18 am
It's been a long time Allan. Hopefully things are getting back to normal now.
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Post by: weave on October 10, 2017, 08:46:14 am
Morning,

Didn't really know about your woes but read back a little bit. Sounds like a nightmare so glad there's light at the end of your tunnel.

Make sure all the workers don't leave too soon though. I can foresee a post in August 2018 in General Discussion titled 'Where's my flippin' kitchen extractor fan!'  :D

Looking forward to your build.

Cheers weave  :beers:
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Post by: Newportnobby on October 10, 2017, 08:58:43 am
Glad to see some progress has been made, Allan, and I admire your sticking it out through all the upheaval. You deserve that model railway that's been on the horizon for too long.
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Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on October 10, 2017, 09:05:17 am
Here is the latest snap shot:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/4202-290817162426.jpeg[/url])


Well at least they've put a decent size DCC bus in for you ;)
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on October 10, 2017, 12:55:58 pm
...Well at least they've put a decent size DCC bus in for you ;)
DCC?  Oh yeah, isn't that the system that girlies use for their train sets?  :sorrysign:

Real men apply their 'currents' directly!  I hope I'm not 'raisin'  a new argument here.  :sorrysign: again!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on November 15, 2017, 08:47:20 pm
Today there was a mega banging and crashing from the street outside where I live.  I went to see what was going on.  It was the sound of the contractors men as they took down the last of the site barriers at the front of the existing flats and chucked them on to a lorry.  There is a small area still blocked off at the front of the new build but that is likely to be gone in the next week or two.
I'm still waiting for the 'make good' visit from a bunch of trades people but I'm assured that this WILL happen before the end of November.  I hope they mean this year.
However, on the good side of things...  I got the annual breakdown of my power usage figures from the supplier yesterday.  Much of this extended work program has been the installation of improved insulation.  My electricity usage was almost the same as the last two years, no surprise there, but the gas consumption, used only for central heating and hot water, is down by over 65%!  :D
As soon as the 'make good' guys have been, I intend to get some new furniture and then it's back to a reasonably normal life (and to my layout)!!!  I have been seriously considering booking into a nice place for a week, after it's completely done, to sort of draw a line under it.
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Post by: Yet_Another on November 15, 2017, 08:50:27 pm
Go for it! A bit of a break, and a clean slate on return.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Newportnobby on November 15, 2017, 08:52:48 pm
So pleased to hear the end maybe in sight, Allan, and that the light you can see at the end of the tunnel isn't some swine with a torch and pneumatic drill.
I, too, would think about a week away if I were in your shoes.
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Post by: Chris in Prague on November 15, 2017, 08:57:41 pm
Go for it! A bit of a break, and a clean slate on return.  :thumbsup:

Seconded! A change is as good as a rest!
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Post by: dannyboy on November 15, 2017, 09:30:18 pm
Just think, in a few weeks you can look back on the last, (how long - I don't think I was an OAP when this all started ), and laugh about it all ............................. or  :'(
Get yourself off for a few days - preserved railway perhaps ???.
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 03, 2018, 08:58:30 pm
Hello again!  On my last post here I said... I'm still waiting for the 'make good' visit from a bunch of trades people but I'm assured that this WILL happen before the end of November.  I hope they mean this year. That was November 15th last.  Well, they didn't mean LAST year it seems.  However, I had a visit from the foreman yesterday.  They will be here on Monday.  I need to move a lot of furniture again to let them finish and it's likely to take two days to complete.  There is a stack of painting to do and a lot of it is on fresh, unpainted wood so there will be prep, under coat and top coat to do but then - that's the end of it.  :thumbsup:

I can tell you, after this experience I am exhausted! Pooped even!  Possibly exhausted AND pooped!  :sleep:
If they don't turn up on Monday I will be joining the 'Find A Hitman' forum!  >:D
Still thinking a few days away would be a good idea though.  Dunno quite what or where yet but I think it needs to happen - for the slow return of (relative) sanity.

Regards, Allan.....
There are currently four of the flats remaining occupied from the original twelve.  The rest of the tenants didn't make it all the way through.
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 03, 2018, 09:36:11 pm

Still thinking a few days away would be a good idea though.

Personally I'd stay until they have been so you can check their work. Once you are happy then would be the time to have a much deserved sanity break.
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Post by: Bealman on February 03, 2018, 09:58:59 pm
Totally agree. Good luck!
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 03, 2018, 10:49:02 pm

Still thinking a few days away would be a good idea though.

Personally I'd stay until they have been so you can check their work. Once you are happy then would be the time to have a much deserved sanity break.
I might not have expressed that too well...  I'm not doing ANYTHING till they have been and gone!
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2018, 04:04:42 pm
Sorry if I misunderstood. Eminently sensible, then :thumbsup:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on February 06, 2018, 01:58:47 am
Well, it happened.  The painters came this morning,  Two very pleasant guys.  Fast, efficient, and they got straight on with the job and had it all done in a single day!  They cleaned up and then packed their kit back into the van. 
I thought, 'There ye go, all over.' but no.  They came back and said, 'We are still on the clock and it's too late to go on to our next job so we thought we would come and give you a hand to get your furniture back into it's place.'  So that's what we did!  Almost everything is back to how it had been.  Nice, decent guys.

So all that is now left is the fitting of an extractor fan through a double glazing unit.  There is no indication of when that will be done as it requires a specialist with his specialist's equipment to do that task.  It's not something I am concerned about, it will happen when it does and I am assured that I will get a weeks notice of when the man is coming and most of the work will be done from outside with only minimal work (5 to 15 minutes) requiring access to my kitchen. 

As far as my thinking goes, the invasive aspect of the work on my flat is now finally over.  There will be work going on outside for a time yet but it is not going to stop me returning to a 'normal' life.

It's all but two and a half years since I demolished the previous start on the layout (me and my circular saw) and a touch over two years since they started the physical work that was scheduled to be over and done in five months. 

Time for a kick up the mojo!  Then a few days to relax, a few days away to relax some more then in to it.

Big thanks to everyone who has offered all sorts of encouragement while this has been going on.....  :thankyousign:
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Post by: Bealman on February 06, 2018, 02:14:40 am
Great news, mate!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :beers:
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Post by: daveg on February 06, 2018, 07:40:27 am
Brilliant news! Pleased for you.  :thumbsup:

Look forward to seeing what you will be doing with your layout.

Dave G
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Post by: Chris in Prague on February 06, 2018, 08:29:39 am
Thirded! An incredible saga. I do hope that you can get on with your layout, now.
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Post by: Malc on February 06, 2018, 10:00:25 am
Corblimey Allan, your refurbishment has gone on as long as a Norse saga. Glad it’s very nearly over.
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Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2018, 10:41:28 am
Finally. A result! :claphappy:
I'm sure I heard your sigh of relief up here in Lancashire, Allan ;)
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Post by: Mito on February 06, 2018, 06:22:27 pm
Glad it's all over. Now you can get back to the normal thing in life :ngauge:
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Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2018, 07:25:49 pm
Well then...  I'm saying that it's back to normal.  Yes, 'normal' is a 'relative' term.  Since I have a few normal relatives I suppose I can say I got through things over the last while.

A couple of days back I dug out my plotter/cutter thingie and went to cut out a design I had been working on for a building.  It's amazing how much can slip away out of an aged brain in a couple of years!  It's coming back in fits, starts and spasms.  It's not quite like starting over but it's a slow process re-learning.  I think I can say that I was doing pretty well with the machine previously and I am getting back in to it.  Did I mention 'slow process'?

However, the main thing is that I am getting back in to modeling!!!  YEAH!!!
Over the last while I have posted a couple of questions on here and had them answered in the usual quick and efficient way.  I have check and, in some cases, chucked a bunch of downloaded 'texture' sheets.  As I was told, the Scalescenes ones are good so I am going with those for now.

Some long time back I asked a basic question about using a cutting machine and received an amazing response from Dorsetmike, with what amounted to a 'how to do it manual'...  That, together with a few things I have found around the web has got me pretty well set up as far as buildings go.
I'm not quite ready to get back into the electrics of the thing but I am glad to be able to say that things are happening once more.
Only those of you with experience of using a cutting machine will appreciate this but I had to get a couple of new cutting mats when the machine came out of the box, the old ones had completely dried out.  I really hate new mats!  But it's probably not as bad as having a hot sausage shoved up yer nose!

Right, enough for now...  Drawings to finish, card to butcher don'cha know!
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: dannyboy on April 08, 2018, 07:30:32 pm
Be honest .......... you miss all the upheavals you have had over the last couple of years.  ;). 
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 08, 2018, 09:05:16 pm
 :hellosign: Welcome back to the land of the living (modelling), all progress is good
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2018, 09:43:25 pm

Over the last while I have posted a couple of questions on here and had them answered in the usual quick and efficient way.

I obviously didn't see the questions, Allan :no: :)
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2018, 10:00:43 pm
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Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 08, 2018, 10:05:31 pm
Be honest .......... you miss all the upheavals you have had over the last couple of years.  ;).

MODS!  This guy quoted is deranged and should be removed immediately!
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: dannyboy on April 08, 2018, 10:07:36 pm
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Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Malc on April 09, 2018, 04:21:10 pm
Just a quick question, Allan. Does it have to be a beef or a pork sausage?
Title: Re: Return of Tales of future past... Oh yeah.....
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 09, 2018, 04:30:01 pm
Just a quick question, Allan. Does it have to be a beef or a pork sausage?
Good question, which shows you are paying proper attention...
The answer is, yes, it certainly does.