Dapol Maunsell coaches

Started by Dorsetmike, September 12, 2013, 08:43:24 PM

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Bob G

I could feel something  was not quite perfect with Dapol (good pun there eh?) all last year and I was really pleased the 33s made it.

And now I will be encouraged to build the six Bullied pattern bogies I bought from N Brass Locos for my Bachmann Farish BBs and my Bachmann Farish MN rebuilts.

I just hope that Dapol get the right set numbers etc and issue individual coaches as well as sets. I do love these Maunsells.

Bob


dodger

Good news the Maunsell BCK is still in the production line. Cant wait to get mine.

Dodger

Dorsetmike

Quote from: Karhedron on March 20, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
That is something although I am still sad I won't be getting a Light Pacific to haul them. Looks like my Standard 5 will be pulling them instead.

Well until you get a spam can why not a mogul or Schools, or if you have them S15 or N15, T9 is good too, all real Southern stuff, not any of Buleid's fancy looking  :censored:
Cheers MIKE
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Karhedron

I really like the look of the air-smoothed Pacifics, they are so distinctive and unlike anything else. My pre-order was for an original one rather than a rebuild for this very reason. After rebuilding, they look more like a Brit than a Bulleid.  :P

There are plenty of other locos I could get but I have a Standard 5 and a 3MT already so these will do. Given the choice, I would have preferred a Light Pacific and an O2 but it looks like these are not to be (not in the foreseeable future at any rate).

If I were really keen, other options exist as you say. IIRC Noel Leaver has written an article about improving the old Farish versions. I still might pick up a Farish Merchant Navy if I spot a bargain one day but probably not while they remain at full price.
Quote from: ScottyStitch on September 29, 2015, 11:28:46 AM
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

leachsprite4

Good news indeed, they'll look nice as a set with my n class.
Graham

Chris in Prague

The following may be of interested re: Maunsell sets.

2-Sets 'P' (2Ps) in SR Western District

In 1948, eight 2-sets 'R' (22-29) were formed, low-window BCKs 6567/6569/6575 (in sets 29/28/23 respectively) being included with other high-window BCKs and Third Brakes. By 1959 they had been demoted to 2-sets 'P' and were on local services in the Western District, mainly on the Bude and Padstow branches [my interest].

In 1958, BCK 6570 and SKs 823/824/827 were included with various high-window vehicles in two new 6-sets for the Western District, 340/341. The BCK was replaced by a high-window version in 1959 at the same time as SKs 810/829 replaced high-window CKs. The SKs remained until the sets were withdrawn in 1961, all of them being condemned.

The remaining 3-sets were withdrawn in 1961, along with the remains of set 469; the 2-sets 22-29/100-10 were 'withdrawn' in 1962, being part of the 'dowry', along with several loose BCKs (one of which was low-window 6569), of the turning over of the lines west of Wilton to the Western Region. The WR immediately painted out the set numbers and changed the coach number prefixes to 'W'.

The Maunsell BSK (diagram 2113) + BCK (diagram 2401) 2-Sets transferred intact to the WR w/e 29/12/1962 were:

4240         28       2113
6643         28       2401

2838         31       2113
6662         31       2401

2837         179      2113
6673         179      2401

2778         196      2113
6667         196      2401

6595         198      2401
4245         198      2113

4246         199      2113
6604         199      2401

I do not refer to these sets as "P" because these was only an allocation reference note. in some years they were shown as notes "R" along with the Bulleid BSK + BCK 2-Sets.

A lot of the information I have quoted was not available to David Gould at the time, hence it is not in his books.

All the best,

Glen Woods

Hello Andy,

4240 to Set 28 Week ending 11/12/62
4245 to Set 198  Week ending 11/12/62
4246 to Set 199  Week ending 11/12/62

Information from the Eastleigh Rolling Stock Office (RSO) "Set Change Records" 1/1/1958 to 31/12/1962.

All the best,
Glen

Hello Andy,

The Maunsell BSK (diagram 2113) + BCK (diagram 401) 2-Sets transferred intact to the WR w/e 29/12/1962 were:

4240         28       2113
6643         28       2401

2838         31       2113
6662         31       2401

2837         179      2113
6673         179      2401

2778         196      2113
6667         196      2401

6595         198      2401
4245         198      2113

4246         199      2113
6604         199      2401

I do not refer to these sets as "P" because this was only an allocation reference note. In some years they were shown as notes "R" along with the Bulleid BSK + BCK 2-Sets [what I call Rs.].

A lot of the information I have quoted was not available to David Gould at the time, hence it is not in his books.

Hello Andy,

4240 to Set 28 Week ending 11/12/62
4245 to Set 198  Week ending 11/12/62
4246 to Set 199  Week ending 11/12/62

Information from the Eastleigh Rolling Stock

Office (RSO) "Set Change Records" 1/1/1958 to

31/12/1962.

Glen Woods

SEMG 13 06 2016

Chris in Prague

I see that Hattons are stocking a new batch of Dapol Maunsell coaches in various liveries. However, are these just existing designs with new running numbers, as I think, please?

Dorsetmike

2 Weeks ago Dapol Digest said "Artwork is now being produced" for the 4 comp brake thirds and 6 comp BCKs, they will be selling 3 sets (39x series) and 3rd brakes to make 3 sets with the existing compos, Certainly taking their time.

The ones currently at Hattons and Rails are more of the original release
Cheers MIKE
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Chris in Prague

Many thanks, Mike. The wait continues then for the BCKs. A BR Crimson & Cream BTK tempts me, now, though.

Bob G

The crimson cream BTK, TK and FKs are all loose stock for the Newhaven boat train, as hauled by their black Schools class.

The crimson cream CKs are from 3 car sets in the ACE trains and we wait for the four compartment BTK brakes and six compartment BCKs to finish it off.

HTH
Bob

Dorsetmike

We also need some catering vehicles and open 3rds, probably best bet for restaurant car is the Worsley Works Ironclad, listed currently as a 2mm kit, but Alan will usually rescale  for N gauge, he also does the Maunsell open 3rd. Think thet would probably fit on the Dapol chassis.

I've mananged a reasonable hack of  Farish generic corridor coach into an open 3rd, did try to do a Maunsell Restaurant, but the recessed doors are awkward to say the least, hence suggesting the ironclad. Ironclad restaurant cars did run in Maunsell sets.
Cheers MIKE
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Bob G

Indeed
But how lucky we are to have the current Maunsells, given Dapol has cut short other SR offerings.
Bob

Bob G

In fact the only RTR pre nationalisation catering vehicle in British N gauge is the Gresley buffet, which thankfully also ran on SR and WR metals in 1950s and 60s. Doesn't help LMS, GWR or SR modellers, though.

Cost of production is always cited as reason why they are not made.

Bob

Chris in Prague

Thanks, Bob and Mike. Very useful information, as always.

Dorsetmike

I recall a presentation by Dapol's George Smith at an NGS AGM about 15(?*) years ago when he promised Maunsells, when queried about catering vehicles for grouping era he said there would be limited demand because there would only be one restaurant car in a train and further that not every train had a catering vehicle whereas for example there has to be at least one brake in every train, thus it was not really economically viable to produce catering vehicles for the "big 4".

BR era was probably a bit different because coaches were common to the whole country.

Maybe when Alan of Etched Pixels is back in production we could ask him about the possibility of SR catering vehicles, or maybe one of the 3D printers could produce something. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Maunsell restaurant has recessed doors which may be easier to do in 3D than brass

(* Can't remember the exact year but it was when Dapol first entered the N gauge scene)
Cheers MIKE
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