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Title: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 05, 2017, 06:05:47 pm
Welcome to the imaginary village of Wrenton. Rule One applies. I don't have any 'back-story' to explain where it may be on the railway network, but what you're about to see place it somewhere in East Anglia. Back in October 2013 I had the idea of making some buildings in 2mm scale though without any intention of constructing a layout. I have a favourite village in Essex. One of my grandfathers was born there and it has lots of lovely houses and cottages crying out to be modelled. Working from my own photos and Google Street View images would give me enough information to make reasonably accurate versions of their frontages though the backs and sides would have to be mostly left to the imagination.

It was only when Iíd made a few buildings that I started to think about incorporating the buildings into a model railway.  In these photos of the early buildings you can see that I mounted them on temporary bases while they awaited their final home. Perhaps mounted IN temporary bases is more accurate as I always include some Ďfoundationsí, thus avoiding unsightly gaps under the walls.

I started with something simple - a garden shed (it has made it onto the layout) and followed that with a pair of semi-detached cottages from drawings in an old model magazine using card (which havenít). After that I tried another cottage using plastikard, which I much preferred to the card and which Iíve since used for all my models.

So hereís the first cottage which has made it onto the layout. The sills and the drip strips above the windows (if thatís the right name for them!) are clearly too large. Lesson learned Ė a photo shows up problems that might otherwise pass unnoticed.

Iíve used home printed roofs on all my buildings. They are based on photos of the real thing, stretched vertically in Photoshop to give the correct shape of the tiles or slates. Most of the village buildings have plastered walls so I donít have to worry much about brick papers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172714-550101743.jpeg)

Before starting work on the cottage I drew out the walls and window and door cutouts using Photoshop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172714-550101564.jpeg)

I printed this onto thin card, scored the corner lines and cut round the outlines. This was then folded up to form the shape of the cottage. Itís easy to see if any changes need to be made. When I was happy with the design I made another print, this time on label paper. This was then stuck onto a piece of plastikard to act as a cutting guide. This time, of course, the walls were cut as separate pieces. Once the label paper was peeled off, the walls could be assembled. I used this technique on all my early models, though I later bought a Silhouette cutting machine which makes cutting the walls, and many other components, much easier. More of this in a later post.

Next came a group which will sit on a steep hill. Here are the first two buildings. And one of them did need brick paper. I used a photo of the real building and Photoshopped a large enough area of bricks to cover the building.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172716-550141101.jpeg)

Further up the hill is one of the two pubs which will grace the layout:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172717-550162445.jpeg)

A small shop in the middle completes the group:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172716-55014114.jpeg)

On the other side of the road is a guildhall, the original dating from about 1500. The twisted shape of the building was quite a challenge and was achieved by building it around a series of formers, much like building a model boat.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172715-550121310.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172715-55012761.jpeg)

And next to that will be a building based on a very old one which served at one time as a workhouse and later as a butcherís shop. I love the look of the front of this building. Unfortunately it finished up almost facing the back of the layout!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172718-55017423.jpeg)

This tiny cottage presented a few constructional problems. The sagging roof is deliberate, I promise!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172619-55008102.jpeg)

This next group goes to the left of that cottage. Perhaps I should mention that Iím making the buildings as they look today, or quite recently, hence that bright blue cottage. I recall from childhood visits to the village that some of them looked rather scruffy in the 1950s and I doubt that that colour would have been seen! 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172618-55008224.jpeg)

This building needed some modifications before installation on the layout as itís on a somewhat gentler slope than Iíd planned for. Hereís how it looked before the modifications. One lesson learnt from this building was to paint the walls using a colour that comes straight from a tube or pot. Iíd mixed this colour using artistsí acrylics and when the time came to retouch it after the modification I had a job to mix up the same colour again. So now I have a selection of sampler pots from the DIY store to chose from.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172718-550171296.jpeg)

After making these buildings, which had taken about nine months, I finally persuaded myself that I wanted to build a model railway to put them on Ė I didnít need much persuasion. The village would be a major part of the layout and by basing the buildings on prototypes in a small area a sense of unity is achieved. Most of the real buildings are within a few hundred yards of one another, the most distant is only a couple of miles away. Some of the models are grouped like the real ones, most, though are not.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on September 05, 2017, 06:29:08 pm
That's some great modelling  :thumbsup:.

How did you do the windows? That last one in particular looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on September 05, 2017, 06:33:29 pm
WOW!!!

Seriously impressive.
Reminds me of the buildings that Alan Downs used to build and feature in the modeling magazines back in the 70's but he was modeling mainly in O or sometimess OO gauge.

Very good work indeed.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: nabber on September 05, 2017, 06:34:30 pm
Wow! That's very nice modelling - I love the Red Lion in particular. I think the photos taken outside really bring out the colours, and do have a much more 'natural' feel compared to usual indoor photos.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on September 05, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
These are really impressive models. Thanks for sharing your pictures, and building techniques.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 05, 2017, 07:29:15 pm
What a seriously impressive set of buildings.  I'm currently making up a set of Metcalfe card kits but, seeing these results, I will seriously consider your technique for future buildings.  Well done!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on September 05, 2017, 07:41:24 pm
Streuth! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 05, 2017, 08:07:37 pm
Excellence in miniature.

Congratulations!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on September 05, 2017, 08:54:09 pm
I canonly echo the compliments.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 05, 2017, 09:32:15 pm
 :goggleeyes: :jawdropping:

Those buildings are just stunning, and deserve to be featured in the monthly mags or the N Gauge Society Journal.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: andy-sf on September 05, 2017, 09:36:04 pm
Utterly Brilliant! That is some VERY impressive modeling!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Entwistlecymru on September 05, 2017, 09:38:26 pm
Stunning modelling. Very impressive  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 05, 2017, 09:47:23 pm
How did you do the windows? That last one in particular looks fantastic.

I expected someone would ask that - didn't expect it would be the first reply!

OK, hands up, I cheat. The frames aren't real, they're printed and they're behind the glazing. I don't think this trick would work in larger scales but it seems ok in N.

I start with the outline drawing like the one in my original post. The outlines are on one Photoshop layer (I have to assume some familiarity with the program) and the window shapes on another. I add yet another layer and draw a dark rectangle within the window shape. I leave a bit of the original shape showing all round - that's the outer shape of the frame. The I draw in the internal glazing bars. I add curtains to this layer too. On one more layer I draw any net curtains required using a light grey. I set the transparency of this layer to show a hint of the curtains behind. I switch off the layer with the original window shapes before making a print. Here you can see the drawing for that last building with the walls laying on it, a couple of them in approximately the right position.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917211805.jpeg)

This building is actually more complex because it has sash windows. I worked with a couple of copies of the print, cutting the windows in half - top and bottom sashes. I then made up a sandwich of glazing, packing and prints. I hope this drawing explains it:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917212044.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 05, 2017, 10:02:52 pm
What a seriously impressive set of buildings.  I'm currently making up a set of Metcalfe card kits but, seeing these results, I will seriously consider your technique for future buildings.  Well done!
I made a couple of Metcalfe kits and they certainly go together well and make up into sturdy models. I'm not fond of the obviously drawn brickwork and roofs, though. They would look better if these were more realistic, I think. But they do save a lot of time. I made the goods shed in less than a day. My scratch built one took ten days!

I could do a post showing the construction of a little cottage step-by-step if that would be of interest. Perhaps in the tutorials board? I photographed the build of a recent model at every stage of construction so I've got the pictures I'd need.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on September 05, 2017, 10:04:37 pm
Yes please. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: bluedepot on September 05, 2017, 10:10:33 pm
these are brilliant!  you should go into business selling kits or ready finished buildings!

"I always include some Ďfoundationsí, thus avoiding unsightly gaps under the walls"

what's the easiest way to do this for people (like me) who have just placed some buildings onto their layout and don't have any foundations?  is it too late, or should i just use some model filler to fill any gaps at the bases?



tim

tim
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: belstone on September 05, 2017, 10:19:55 pm
I saw those buildings and immediately thought North Essex. It's an area I know reasonably well.  I initially guessed Thaxted so I wasn't too far out :) Really excellent modelling to capture the look of a very specific area like that.  I look forward to seeing the layout develop.

Richard
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 05, 2017, 11:00:22 pm
I saw those buildings and immediately thought North Essex. It's an area I know reasonably well.  I initially guessed Thaxted so I wasn't too far out :) Really excellent modelling to capture the look of a very specific area like that.  I look forward to seeing the layout develop.

Richard
It's Finchingfield. A lovely 'round the pond' village. My version has to be a straight line (well, wavy line) version, but I hope I'm catching something of the original.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 05, 2017, 11:06:49 pm

"I always include some Ďfoundationsí, thus avoiding unsightly gaps under the walls"

what's the easiest way to do this for people (like me) who have just placed some buildings onto their layout and don't have any foundations?  is it too late, or should i just use some model filler to fill any gaps at the bases
tim

I've got three or four buildings which sit directly onto the plywood baseboard and don't have foundations. They are the goods shed and other buildings in the goods yard so I've put some scatter around the bases to suggest weeds. I think this is the usual trick!

My usual method is to add an extra 2 to 3 mm to the bottom of the walls when I cut them out. Most of my 'ground' is soft foam board so it's easy to cut a shallow pit into which the building is planted. I'll show this in a later post.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: BoxTunnel on September 06, 2017, 05:16:37 am
I could do a post showing the construction of a little cottage step-by-step if that would be of interest. Perhaps in the tutorials board? I photographed the build of a recent model at every stage of construction so I've got the pictures I'd need.

After seeing such wonderful modelling, please do!

Graham.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 06, 2017, 07:35:02 am
Excellent! Stunning models. I've done some scratchbuilding with plasticard myself, even siting the buildings on a steep hill, but your work makes mine look like something out of amateur hour.

A credit to you, Roger, and let me echo NewportNobby's suggestion that you submit your work to a major magazine.

Brilliant stuff!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 06, 2017, 08:59:30 am
Excellent! Stunning models. I've done some scratchbuilding with plasticard myself, even siting the buildings on a steep hill, but your work makes mine look like something out of amateur hour.

A credit to you, Roger, and let me echo NewportNobby's suggestion that you submit your work to a major magazine.

Brilliant stuff!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Oh yes, great modelling.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 06, 2017, 12:15:48 pm
Brilliant stuff!

Definitely some of the best modelling I have seen in ages.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 06, 2017, 01:18:40 pm
:goggleeyes: :jawdropping:

Those buildings are just stunning, and deserve to be featured in the monthly mags or the N Gauge Society Journal.

Seconded! Stunningly realistic models.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 06, 2017, 03:20:04 pm
Thanks for all the nice comments. Plenty more buildings to come in later posts.

I've added a post describing the construction of a small cottage here:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0)

Hope it inspires some of you to reach for the plastikard!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 06, 2017, 10:02:51 pm
With some buildings completed it was time to build...

THE BASEBOARD.

This was a pleasant outdoor job during June and July 2014.

One thing hasnít changed in the decades since I last built a layout Ė model railways need space. I decided that a rarely used spare bedroom was to be home for my layout, but it had to be possible to for a single bed to be used occasionally. The idea was to put the layout in the centre of the room and to store the bed underneath it, together with a couple of bedside cabinets. When necessary the baseboard should be capable of being moved to the side of the room leaving space for the bed. Although I donít intend to exhibit the layout I did want it to be possible to move it out of the room without having to cut it into pieces so it would have to be capable of being dismantled fairly easily.

After measuring the possible space I settled on 9í6Ē long and 3í6Ē wide. This would give me a width of 2í6Ē for the scenic area Ė plenty of room for the village Ė and 1í width for the fiddle yard. I decided to make three baseboards each 3í2Ē x 3í6Ē Ė a bit big to move often but just about manageable by two people. So how to support three separate boards without having the clutter of supporting trestles or lots of legs which would make it impossible to store the bed beneath the railway?

My solution was to make a supporting structure standing on just four legs onto which the three baseboards would sit. This structure would, of course, have to be capable of being dismantled. This is what I made:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213540.jpeg)

I bought three 8í x 4í sheets of 9mm birch plywood and the timber merchant cut them to the required sizes for me. I started by making the two side beams. Each beam uses two 8í x 6Ē lengths of ply which are spaced apart by blocks of 1ĺĒ square timber glued and screwed into place.  At the ends of each beam a couple of these blocks are set to leave a socket for the leg to slot into. Small pieces of ply have been added near the top of the legs. They prevent the beam sliding down the leg during assembly. In this shot the beam and leg are upside down, of course.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213443.jpeg)

To form the ends two thicknesses of ply were glued together. The next picture shows a beam, the end panel with a locating block fixed to it, and a leg. With the components temporarily held together I drilled a hole through the end panel, the leg and both the spacers in the beam.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213639.jpeg)

A length of threaded rod passes through the holes to bolt the components together.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213611.jpeg)

Here are the parts that make up the base, dismantled. As an experiment I fitted castors to make moving the layout easier. I had to add extra thickness to the legs to provide a large enough area to which to fix the castors.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213713.jpeg)

The next job was to make the actual baseboards but before I started I made a full size drawing of the proposed track plan. It would be a roundy-roundy with double track main line, a lay-by siding on one side and a small goods yard on the other. Platforms would be long enough for a six-coach train and a ten-road fiddle yard behind the back scene would store the trains awaiting their turn. A much used formula, Iím sure, and just enough to provide operational interest. I have to admit, though, that building the layout is more interesting to me than operating it.

To make the drawing I used the downloadable Peco templates for the points and made up some straight and curved sections on the computer, sticking them all down onto a length of paper. Wallpaper would be fine for this job but I had some photographersí background paper on hand and used some of that. The photo doesnít show the full length of the layout; the platforms start at the bottom of the picture.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213927.jpeg)

Using this plan I was able to work out where the cross members of the baseboard frame would go, making sure that there was going to be room for point motors to be installed in due course. The lines indicating the chosen locations are faintly visible in the photo. Naturally plans changed a bit when I was laying the track, but more of that in due course!

The frames were made using the same 9mm ply I used for the base, this time cut 4Ē wide. The joints in the cross members were cut with a router. A home made jig ensured that the slots all lined up correctly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213946.jpeg)

The same set-up with the router nearing the end of its travel:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917214007.jpeg)

Some of the resulting cross members:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213757.jpeg)

After holes had been drilled for wiring to pass through and with fingers crossed the components were assembled.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213820.jpeg)

I had originally thought of using an open top construction but later decided to cover the top almost completely with ply. The blocks joining the cross members to the outer pieces are somewhat larger than necessary as I thought I needed them for rigidity with an open top.

In order to locate the baseboards on the base some of those blocks protrude below the baseboard and locate into the beams of the base. These Ďlegsí were thinned slightly to make a comfortable fit in the beams. DCC Concepts alignment dowels ensure accurate assembly. The boards are held together by M10 bolts. This shot was taken after the tops had been fitted to the baseboards.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213841.jpeg)

When all three baseboards had been made everything was assembled indoors for the first time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213910.jpeg)

The whole thing was then dismantled and taken back into the garden to have the tops fitted. I didnít have enough 9mm ply to cover the whole area at this time, the gaps have since been filled with cheaper ply. Hereís the whole thing put together. The circular hole in the front corner Ė itís actually the back of the layout Ė is the right size for a Peco turntable.  The well from the kit has been popped into the hole and has come in useful as a place to put screws, pins, track joiners and other small parts but so far no actual turntable has been installed!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213511.jpeg)

Given the lack of any cross-bracing between the legs of the base you may be wondering how rigid it is. I did find it necessary to add cross-pieces between the legs. Bolts fasten a ĺĒ thick board through slots. Normally the board sits on the floor but can be raised to allow the castors to rotate freely when moving the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-060917213733.jpeg)

Even with these cross-pieces the base unit did become a bit wobbly after a while. This was due to the timber of the legs shrinking slightly. I forced some thin card into the sockets into which the legs fit and all has been well since.



Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 06, 2017, 10:41:22 pm
Time for me to surrender and take up knitting, methinks :whiteflag:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on September 06, 2017, 11:28:13 pm
Time for me to surrender and take up knitting, methinks :whiteflag:

Yeah, that's quality woodwork right there! You're setting the bar pretty high, Roger :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 07, 2017, 12:06:15 am
Yet more excellent work. A craftsman in every sense of the word!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 07, 2017, 08:23:46 am
That's a well- thought out and superbly-executed approach.

I like your garden too!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: The Q on September 07, 2017, 08:58:30 am
I hope I don't get a position next to you at a show, your work would show up everything I do :'(.......

we definitely need a craftsmanship button on this forum...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rhysapthomas on September 07, 2017, 09:10:56 am
Very impressive piece of carpentry especially as you did it mostly on a work mate
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 07, 2017, 09:59:52 am
Wow!

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: skel on September 07, 2017, 10:12:13 am
Stunning modelling indeed! I agree with Trev in that it reminds me of the skills of Alan Downes but Alan had the advantage of detailing to 4mm to the foot not 2mm!

Very impressive and I am certainly going to try your techniques for my next build

And a very big Yes Please to the step by step instructions!

Cheers

Steve  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on September 07, 2017, 12:14:48 pm
Hi Roger,
Just read through your tutorial and made straight to here.
Your scratch-built buildings are nothing short of superb.
Well done.
Dennis.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: The Q on September 07, 2017, 02:31:14 pm
Stunning modelling indeed! I agree with Trev in that it reminds me of the skills of Alan Downes but Alan had the advantage of detailing to 4mm to the foot not 2mm!

Very impressive and I am certainly going to try your techniques for my next build

And a very big Yes Please to the step by step instructions!

Cheers

Steve  :thumbsup:


ERR  Allan HAS the skills... http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15 (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 07, 2017, 03:14:02 pm
ERR  Allan HAS the skills... [url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15[/url] ([url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15[/url])

Perhaps we should change scale! They are stunning buildings.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: skel on September 07, 2017, 03:42:41 pm
Stunning modelling indeed! I agree with Trev in that it reminds me of the skills of Alan Downes but Alan had the advantage of detailing to 4mm to the foot not 2mm!

Very impressive and I am certainly going to try your techniques for my next build

And a very big Yes Please to the step by step instructions!

Cheers

Steve  :thumbsup:


ERR  Allan HAS the skills... [url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15[/url] ([url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15113&forum_id=15[/url])



Sorry, a typo! I have been following Alan's threads for a number of years
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 07, 2017, 08:35:42 pm
Pausing only to say thanks for the kind comments...

After a pleasant few summer weeksí work in the garden and with the baseboard complete it was time forÖ

TRACK LAYING.

The intended layout was a fairly classic design, I think. It has double track roundy running lines, a refuge siding on one side, a goods yard on the other and a fiddle yard hidden behind the back scene.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201656.jpeg)

I used Peco Code 55 with electrofrog points layed on ⅛Ē thick cork using PVA to fix it. Every piece of track no matter how small had droppers soldered to the underside of the rails and connected to the power bus. Control is DCC using a Prodigy Advance 2.

The points are operated by Cobalt motors. As they require that the spring in the points should be removed I also cut away the housing for the spring along with quite a lot of other plastic around the tie bar area. The dropper from the stock rails was bonded to the blades (strictly speaking the closure rails, I believe). I cut through the closure rails close to the frog and switched the polarity of the frog using the switch built into the Cobalt. Hereís one of the points after ballasting:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201430.jpeg)

The track in the scenic area was laid by September 2014 and ballasting was well under way when I took this photo at the end of the month:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201536.jpeg)

I used Woodland Scenics fine ballast, mixing two parts of buff to one brown. It was fixed with WS Scenic Cement Ė no need to thin it or pre-soak the ballast as is the case when using PVA.

And now there were trains:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201134.jpeg)

The next two photos show how the layout looked in mid-October 2014 with the ballasting complete.

In order to get an idea of how the buildings of the village could be arranged I placed those already built and used small boxes (which will probably look familiar to you) to make up the numbers. Iíd made up a couple of Metcalfe kits Ė the country station buildings and the goods shed Ė and also some crude (and short) platforms. These would be replaced with scratch built structures in due course. The white shape in the foreground of the first picture is the footprint of a church. Clearly too large, the church had to be shrunk somewhat, but thatís another story.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201328.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201401.jpeg)

There was one important change of plan during the track laying process. Although I had worked out how big the baseboard could be to fit comfortably in the room, a way of lengthening it slightly came to me while I was laying the track. At one end of the room is a curved bay window. Routine access to the windows wouldn't be compromised if a small, round extension was hinged to the end of the baseboard so that it could be lowered out of the way when necessary. Tight fitting hinges were used to minimise risk of mis-alignment of the track. The extension is supported by a couple of wooden brackets which are also hinged to the end of the main baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201159.jpeg)

The back scene will go at the end of the baseboard proper and the extension is usually protected by a suitably shaped removable cover made from 5mm foam board which is held in the right position by the two small white pieces visible in the photo.

This small extra length allowed the visible track approaching this end of the layout to take a gentle curve instead of a sharp left and it also added a few inches to the length of the fiddle yard sidings.

Talking of the fiddle yard, here it is:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201223.jpeg)

At the ends of each road I included a short isolated section, long enough to comfortably house the longest loco. The power to these sections is routed through the auxiliary switches in the point motors so that the whole route to the main line has to be set before the section is powered. This prevents accidental starting of trains when the required route isnít set and, more usefully, stops a train when it gets back to the fiddle yard if another route has been set for the next departure. I find this makes operation easier as I can be driving a second train without having to worry about stopping the first one!

In order to help my ageing eyes to see more easily which route is set I added an indicator at each end of the fiddle yard. The LEDs are fed from the track feeds to the isolated sections. Red indicates go in this case Ė Maplin didnít have enough green ones in stock when I went to buy them! The numbers on the display match the route numbers on the controller. Add ten for the routes at the other end of the fiddle yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201502.jpeg)

The back scene was made by fixing ⅛Ē plywood to the baseboard cross pieces with  about a foot standing above baseboard level. In order to achieve rounded corners I glued Daler board to the ply. This was in turn covered with lengths of thick paper which hid the joints. Not a very elegant solution but it seems to work. A suggestion of sky was then painted using artistsí Alkyd colours.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201113.jpeg)

The Daler board corners can be curved to quite a small radius. In this later photo the corner has some clump foliage glued to it Ė they are very low relief trees! And I'd re-painted the sky.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917201035.jpeg)

In order to keep the thin ply fairly straight two lengths of  timber were fixed along the back. These were screwed to the ply before the Daler board was glued into place. The lower of the two serves a double purpose, supporting some covers made of 5mm foam board which keep all the stock in the fiddle yard relatively free of dust.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-070917200955.jpeg)

Track laying wasn't my favourite part of the build, ballasting even less so! So next I was pleased to get back to making some buildings.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 08, 2017, 08:18:58 am
Wow! That's a serious package of work. Congratulations on a thoroughly good project.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2017, 09:43:29 am
Superb work. Many thanks for all the excellent photos. and useful details.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on September 08, 2017, 12:00:23 pm
That is an amazing piece of work!  Thank you for sharing it with us.
John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 08, 2017, 12:05:49 pm
The next job was to construct

THE STATION BUILDINGS AND PLATFORMS.

These kept me busy in late 2014 and early 2015. As the village buildings are based on those in a small area of north Essex it seemed appropriate to choose the GER design of 1865 as the basis for the station.

It's the first building I've made using a Portrait Silhouette cutting machine and only the second one requiring a brick effect - and a rather complicated brick effect, too. As usual I wanted to build using plastikard and the brick paper had to be fitted precisely to the plastic to get the correct alignment of the grey bricks around the doors and windows and at the corners of the building.

I made the three sections of the building separately, starting with the station master's house. Fortunately I had a drawing to work from which I scanned into Photoshop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114606.jpeg)

With these outlines as a guide I constructed the brickwork on separate layers. The result was printed on 80gsm paper. (The image I printed was slightly different from this, arranged so that the ends met in the blank wall, not at a corner at this version suggests.)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114411.jpeg)

On further layers I drew the shapes of the window panes, the long curtains and the nets, printing a couple of copies on 160gsm paper.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114536.jpeg)

The next job was to cut the plastikard. I opened the line drawing in the Silhouette's software program, Studio. I then drew along all the lines where cuts were required. In this screenshot I've moved the line drawing away from the (red) cutting lines.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114636.jpeg)

Before sending the file to the cutter I shortened the long sides by 40 thou - this makes the butt joints of the 20 thou plastikard match the wrap-around brick paper. When working with that thickness plastikard the Silhouette will only score the material, it will not cut right through. So a bit of work with a sharp scalpel is required to remove the window shapes, though the walls can usually be snapped apart along the scored lines. When the walls were assembled the brick paper was wrapped around the structure and fixed with a wash of Mek-Pak.

Windows and doors were added before reinforcing the interior of the building Ė at this time I was using balsa wood as a lining, not the foam board I used today.

Hereís the result with roof, chimney and sills added.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917115032.jpeg)

I didnít photograph the other parts of the structure separately but here they are assembled and viewed from the platform side.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114919.jpeg)

The Silhouette cutting machine was used to cut the framing of the large area of window which fronts a small waiting area. And on the road side thereís a canopy which has glazing bars both above and below the glazing. The perfect match of the two layers demonstrates the accuracy of the Silhouette.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917115007.jpeg)

The platforms were built up using plastikard and small outbuildings were added:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917115055.jpeg)

The shelter on the other platform also has a large glazed area with bars cut by the Silhouette:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917115246.jpeg)

In December 2014 I tried assembling the Ratio footbridge kit but was far from happy with the result. So I broke it up retaining just the steps and the base of the crossing. I then used the Silhouette to cut all the ironwork for a new version.

Two pieces were cut from 10 thou plastikard and glued together to form each side. Here's a screen grab of the drawings of the long side of the crossing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114335.gif)

Hereís the bridge before painting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114226.jpeg)

Here it is painted and installed on the platforms.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114307.jpeg)

The lamp posts use parts from the Ratio kits. I substituted a metal post for the supplied plastic one. The cross bars were made from a couple of strands of wire twisted together and round the post. A quick touch of solder holds them together. I cut a small square of black plastikard and drilled a hole in the middle to fit over the post and suggest the base of the lamp. The hole in the base of the Ratio lamp was drilled a bit deeper to provide a better fixing point. This is best done before removing the lamps from the sprue. The square of card, the lamp and its cover were glued together with Glue 'n' Glaze and the finial added with Mek Pak. A sliver of paper was wrapped around the base of the post and painted black.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114805.jpeg)

Hereís a general view of the station.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917114718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: MinZaPint on September 08, 2017, 12:18:47 pm
Well this is superb and like a good serial leaves us eagerly awaiting the next instalment  :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: nabber on September 08, 2017, 02:15:08 pm
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917115032.jpeg[/url])

I love this photo - the building looks fantastic, the photo is taken from a realistic angle, and yet it's actually only about 2 inches tall!

Neil
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 08, 2017, 03:58:39 pm
I've run out of superlatives :help:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 08, 2017, 05:52:43 pm
I've run out of superlatives :help:

Well, if really desperate try:

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!  :whistle:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 08, 2017, 06:49:45 pm
I've run out of superlatives :help:

I haven't run out of buildings! Thanks. Roger.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 08, 2017, 07:40:44 pm
I've run out of superlatives :help:

NPN, If you really have run out of superlatives, you could try the Scots' expression: "Aye, no' bad; no bad at awe".  I don't believe there to be an exact Anglice.

Hope this helps.

John


Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on September 08, 2017, 08:21:27 pm
Again, this is simply fantastic work.
Just brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on September 08, 2017, 08:58:55 pm
 :goggleeyes: What more can I add? Superlatives rule, OK
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 08, 2017, 09:04:13 pm
With the track down and station buildings complete I turned my attention back to the village starting with the building which every village needs (no, Iíve already done a pub)Ö

THE CHURCH.

This will go at the right hand end of the layout. It was built during May and June 2015 and is inspired by, but not an accurate model of, the church in Finchingfield, Essex.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205305.jpeg)

At about eight inches long, this is the largest and most complex building for the layout. Like many East Anglian churches the prototype is quite large for the size of the village it serves. I had to reduce the size overall by about 10% and shorten the nave (four windows each side instead of five) and the chancel (three instead of four). Hopefully something of the character of the original has been retained. It took about seven weeks to make the model, but I'd already spent ages making and modifying drawings and assembling paper mock-ups.

It was built in sections - the nave, chancel and tower were made as separate units and, when glued together, the side aisles and chapels were added. All the windows are cut out, not printed using my usual cheating method. The Silhouette cutting machine really came into its own for this job.

The walls are two layers of 20 thou plastikard, the outer one having cutouts for the windows and the inner one having the tracery of the windows, much simplified of course. There are ten different shapes of window around the building. Fortunately I had lots of photos of the real building to work from.

The photo shows the parts for the side walls of the nave with the tracery layer painted with stone colour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205500.jpeg)

The printed stone texture was developed from a photo of the actual church. This was fixed to the outer layer with a wash of MekPak, the window openings were cut and folded back and then the inner layer was glued into place. Behind that came a piece of glazing material and then black paper. Finally a lining of balsa wood strengthens the whole structure. Hereís how the nave looked at this stage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205522.jpeg)

After the photo was taken small pieces of triangular section Plastruct were fitted to the castellations and painted.

When all the sections of the building had been assembled the buttresses, downpipes and other details were added. There should be a weather vane atop the tower, but I havenít found a way of making anything suitable as yet.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205333.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205411.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-080917205436.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 08, 2017, 09:58:35 pm
Have to confess I'm in awe at the skill and talent shown here.

I struggle with some of the more 'complicated' kits!

Superb work.

Dave G

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 08, 2017, 10:59:02 pm
I struggle with some of the more 'complicated' kits!
I've not tried many kits but my attempt at making the Ratio footbridge was not exactly a triumph. I felt no regret at breaking it up so that I could re-use the stairs in a scratch built model. Perhaps the instructions could be improved in some of these kits?

I did manage the cattle dock but that's not exactly a complicated one!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Vernon on September 08, 2017, 11:53:31 pm
Inspirational modelling of the highest order.

Thanks for sharing.

Vernon
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 09, 2017, 06:55:06 am
Great stuff Roger. Thank you for posting  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 09, 2017, 09:14:35 pm
By July 2015 I was thinking about putting together some of the buildings for the right hand third of the layout but first I needed a couple more houses.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210503.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210529.jpeg)

I also needed some trees.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210647.jpeg)

I used a much tried method. Twisting the wire armatures was a job best done whilst watching TV, I found. When I was happy with the shape I soldered the wires together to add strength and bulk, working well up the tree. I then coated the trunk and larger branches with a mix of household filler, water, PVA and raw umber artistsí acrylic paint.

When dry I added small pieces of the material used to fill soft toys and then sprayed the whole thing with dark brown, adding some variety of colour in the trunk. Woodland Scenics coarse turf completed the job, fixed on with hairspray. I did later give a spray of WS Scenic Cement to really fix the foliage. Most of the early trees were placed very close together in order to screen the point where the road hits the back scene so there was probably quite a lot of effort wasted making trees that can hardly be seen.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210621.jpeg)

I shudder to think how many hours I spent twisting those armatures. In addition to some groups of trees I needed enough to run along the back of the whole length of the layout, 9í6Ē in total!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210717.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210739.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-090917210803.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Entwistlecymru on September 09, 2017, 09:52:09 pm
Your work is fantastic. I hope you're pleased with it, I would be!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: ffdockree on September 10, 2017, 03:05:51 am
I visit the forum often, yet rarely leave a comment.
This...is truly stunning work!
I need to go and build something  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 10, 2017, 03:16:10 am
Yet more brilliant work. It just keeps getting better and betterer!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 12:31:00 pm
Your work is fantastic. I hope you're pleased with it, I would be!
I have to say it's great to see the good comments my work is getting. But whatever our ability we can always try to improve our models. That's one of the things that makes this hobby so rewarding.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 10, 2017, 01:09:56 pm
Your modeling is a real inspiration, Roger. At the moment I'm into quick and dirty because I have set myself the target of getting the whole layout to a reasonably complete running state as quickly as possible. But, when I get round to revisiting the modeling, I shall be really indebted to your posts. So THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 01:30:35 pm
Your modeling is a real inspiration, Roger.

Thanks Laurence, kind of you.

So, onto the next chapter....

PLANTING SOME BUILDINGS (July Ė August 2015)

The scenic section of the baseboard is 2í6Ē deep Ė not much chance of detailing areas to the rear of the layout leaning across that width. Would it be possible to build the scenery as a free-standing unit which could be fixed onto the baseboard only when it was nearly complete? The answer seems to be yes!

Here is a diagram showing an approximation of the proposed layout of the buildings on the right hand side of the layout. The baseboard joint runs through Nos.2 and 3 The Causeway and that building will have to straddle the joint and be removable. This arrangement closely follows that of the real village (the only sizeable part of the layout that does) except that the building Iím calling the vicarage is actually a couple of buildings further away from the guildhall. The house is large enough for the vicar of Wrenton to have plenty of space for his model railway!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917131927.jpeg)

The area to be built includes a hill along which several of the buildings, already made, had to be sited. The gradient of the hill was therefore dictated by that implied by the buildings. I needed a way of constucting a slope which was already precisely defined.

I decided to build up the structure layer by layer, using 5mm thick foamboard. I started by cutting a piece of paper the size of the area to be constructed - the full length of this section of baseboard, 3í2Ē, and about 2í wide. I positioned the buildings on the paper and drew lines around them. I then measured the change in ground level each building required and was thus able to work out the changes all the way up the hill. I then worked out where each layer of foamboard had to be cut, extending lines out from the road into the adjoining areas to form a countour map. The church was to be included in this group of buildings, so a fairly flat area was needed for that and I also had to work out the shaping of the slope which drops down to track level.

I then cut foamboard to the required shapes and glued the layers together. To eliminate any risk of the structure flexing I cut slots in the third and fourth layers from the bottom into which I inserted a couple of 10mm diameter steel rods. All the buildings have 'foundations' so cutouts were made for them to 'plug' into. The exact placing of the church I left till later. It would only need a shallow cutout.

I put the buildings temporarily in place, together with some trees to give an idea of how the whole scene will be arranged. Some levels were lowered a layer after seeing this trial assembly and in places were refined by adding small pieces of card (mounting board).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917131953.jpeg)

When I was happy with the levels I gave the surface a coat of diluted PVA to seal it and then coated the whole thing with plaster. Then came a layer of plaster bandage, though not in the road area where I preferred to keep the surface smooth. When that had dried it was time to spray paint the whole thing. First, though, Inspector Tilly popped in from next door to check the work. You can see the cutouts in this shot.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917132026.jpeg)

After several attempts to tempt Tilly to move out of the danger zone I sprayed the base with Humbrol acrylic dark brown and the road with grey. The small projecting area at the right is where a tunnel mouth will fit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917132127.jpeg)

The buildings, except for the church, were installed next. A few trees were added for this photo which finally allows me to see if I'd got the scene I was hoping to create.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917132153.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 09:58:22 pm
GARDENING TIME (August - September 2015)

The builders moved in and put up a wall between the two cottages at the front of the scene. And, overnight, nature took over.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214929.jpeg)

There are tiny pieces of Woodland Scenics clump foliage in the small garden area and in front of the cottage on the left.

To form the plants growing over the garden wall and onto the cottage walls I used a bit of the material used for stuffing toys which Iíd already used when making the trees. A small piece was torn off and teased out and then given a spray of green. When dry, a touch of hair spray and then a quick dip in WS Blended Turf resulted in a nice open textured look. I glued the result to the garden wall and up onto the buildings.

I moved on to the back gardens, starting with a small one which is pretty much hidden from sight, at least from the front of the layout. I started by making some flowering static grass clumps, using a technique I found on YouTube.

Briefly, greaseproof paper was laid in the lid of a tin. Spots of WS Scenic Glue were added, in neat rows, onto which static grass was applied, the earthing clip of the applicator being fixed to the tin lid. When the glue had dried the paper was cut into strips, more glue applied carefully to the tips of the grass and then the strip was inverted and dipped into the Ďflowersí. This is my first try:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214725.jpeg)

Next I wanted some crazy paving. I tried photographing my own back garden path but the printed result was disappointing. So I used the photos as a basis and did lots of Photoshopping to produce this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214702.jpeg)

Edging the garden with Kestrel laser cut fencing, adding a lawn of static grass and building the beds with my flower clumps and bits of foliage produced a reasonable little garden.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214757.jpeg)

The crazy paving puts in another appearance in one of this next group of gardens. The other paths are simply painted onto the plaster base. A couple more Kestrel fences were used,  the others are scratch built, as are the sheds, compost bins and rabbit hutch. The large greenhouse is from Peedie models, the smaller one is another Kestrel item.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214823.jpeg)

These gardens are at the back of the layout but the next one is in a prominent position facing the front. The tricky bit here was the pergola down the centre of the garden. It was constructed in situ using 20 thou square Slaterís microstrip. I drilled holes in the base into which the posts were glued. Then the horizontals were added and finally the angled cross pieces, all fixed with Mek Pak. I found it was easier to use a long piece of microstrip and cut it to length when the cement had set. Trying to hold in place pieces pre-cut to length proved too fiddly. The completed and painted structure was covered with the same toy stuffing and WS Turf. Some Woodland Scenics flowers scatter was sprinkled on. The shed was the very first thing I made in N scale.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214854.jpeg)

To make the small decorative conifers I cut a length of paper narrowing to one end. This was glued and wrapped round a suitable length of wire. When the glue had set I painted the paper dark green. Scenic Glue was later brushed on and the tree was rolled in some scatter material spread out on a piece of paper. A couple of hours later any loose scatter was tapped off and a dusting of hair spray applied to make sure that the rest stays in place.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917214634.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on September 10, 2017, 09:59:27 pm
Having whetted our appitite with the photos, when and where can we see your wonderful creation in real life?  Look out Pendon and the Vale scene, you have serious competion  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Tank on September 10, 2017, 10:05:10 pm
The gardens are fantastic, well done. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 10:20:57 pm
THE CHURCH YARD (November 2015)

Having built some gardens I turned my attention to the area around the church.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917221015.jpeg)

Most of the grave stones were home made, using the Silhouette cutter but a few are 3D printed items from Peedie models.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917221039.jpeg)

The boundary wall is plastikard, the pillars being pieces of Plastruct, both covered with home printed brick paper. The railings are another Peedie models product.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917221232.jpeg)

This is how the completed church area looks from the back of the layout. A lot of work here which isnít usually seen!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917221202.jpeg)

To the right of the church I planted some trees. These, combined with a curve in the road, serve to hide the latter as it hits the back scene. The rear-most trees are clumps of foliage glued onto the backscene.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917221257.jpeg)

The four-bar fencing was cut from 20 thou Plasticard using the Silhouette cutter.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917220919.jpeg)

The posts were thickened by sticking on strips of 20 x 40 thou.

Finally, hereís a view of the right hand scenic module temporarily in place and showing how it relates to the railway. It will eventually be glued to the baseboard and more scenic treatment will blend it in.

To paint the centre line markings on the road I put strips of masking tape down the middle of the road. I then measured and marked the centre, removed the tape and cut it in half, following the markings. I then put the tape back in place, leaving a small gap between the two halves thus producing a stencil. The lines were then painted using white mixed with a bit of black to dull it down slightly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917220952.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 10:26:07 pm
Having whetted our appitite with the photos, when and where can we see your wonderful creation in real life?  Look out Pendon and the Vale scene, you have serious competion  :D
I think I'm a bit past the age when I want to transport the layout to shows! But it's nice to share it in photographs. Oh, and I think Pendon have nothing to fear! But thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Rowlie on September 10, 2017, 11:31:52 pm
Superb modelling, looking forward to next instalment.  Thanks for doing the tutorial on your house building technique.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 10, 2017, 11:34:57 pm
I started 2016 making some more buildings for the left hand end of the layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917231848.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917231915.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917231936.jpeg)

A larger group will be forming one side of the approach road to the station. There was still some work to do on it when I took the photos, including painting the chimney pots and adding some clutter in the yard. The group is designed to be on a slope, climbing away from the station. The white building houses the village post office and a gift shop.  The brick oneís use hadnít been decided at photo time, but itís now a floristís. I built the group on a piece of ply wood.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232139.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232203.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232225.jpeg)

Most of the prototype buildings on which Iíve based my models are within a few hundred yards of one another. The fronts of the next houses are based on buildings in a nearby hamlet. They will also be on the road climbing away from the station, so once again were made with lots of Ďfoundationsí to be buried in the scenic base.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232255.jpeg)

Next up comes a pair of semi-detached cottages, also based on buildings a little way out of the village. A distant relation used to live in the right hand one and my parents often stayed there in the 1930s and 40s.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232329.jpeg)

Finally, a pair of cottages based on a GER design contemporary with the station buildings. These, too, will go on the station approach road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232409.jpeg)

By May 2016 I had all the main buildings needed for the left end of the layout so here goes with the scenic base to put them on. As with the other end of the layout it's made of layers of foam board and card to give the necessary gradients. You can see the cut-outs where the buildings will be inserted. Three buildings will sit across the join between two baseboards and will remain removable. The missing rectangular area at the front right is where the station buildings go and the 'hanging' section at the far left goes over a tunnel portal.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232441.jpeg)

After plastering (including a layer of plaster cloth), a quick spray of brown and grey paint and fixing the pavements down I tried the module in place on the layout, adding the buildings, though not yet fixing them. A road bridge and tunnel portal are also temporarily in place.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232048.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-100917232015.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2017, 06:24:44 am
More superb work and great tips. I was trying to find some small poplars to buy. Now I will make my own but will, probably, use cocktail sticks rather than wire for the core. The crazing paving and flower making tips will save a lot of money, too.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 11, 2017, 07:00:58 am
Totally superb!

The brief tutorials are great.

Many thanks.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on September 11, 2017, 11:45:26 am
Hi Roger,
I wish I had a tiny fraction of your talent and patience to produce such stunning scenery.
Looks absolutely fabulous. can't wait to see more.
Dennis.
 :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: weave on September 11, 2017, 12:10:38 pm
Hi,

Hadn't seen this weekend's pics. Have to go work now but after a quick scroll down, absolutely fantastic! Looking forward to reading it properly later.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 11, 2017, 03:01:55 pm
MORE GARDENING (July Ė August 2016)

Some of the buildings are now fixed in place, their gardens planted and the area between the gardens and the station car park has been developed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917144612.jpeg)

As these gardens face the front of the layout I added a fair amount of detail. The house on the left is home to a couple with small children who are playing in a sand pit while mum watches. Next door lives a keen gardener so he has a greenhouse and keeps his small patch looking neat and tidy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917144703.jpeg)

The next garden is just path and grass with a substantial brick built shed. Then comes another nice garden with a small vegetable patch.  The lady of the house can just be seen telling her husband that sheís off shopping. And in the back yard of the shops the owner of the Corner Cupboard is accepting a delivery of some parcels. Thereís usually a tree in the corner of the yard but I took it out for this shot.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917144739.jpeg)

Here are some views from the back of the layout, no longer possible now that the scenic module is in place on the layout. The white house below seems to have bought some second hand GWR spear fencing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917145405.jpeg)

In the next two photos the hedge in front of the right hand building was made by shaping some balsa wood, painting it dark green and then adding some WS fine turf.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917145447.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917145532.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2017, 03:14:04 pm
Many thanks, again, for another inspirational set of excellent photos. of your lifelike scenery. I'm a big fan of using balsa wood for station platforms and raised areas but would never have thought of making hedges from it they way you described. (I bought all mine.)

Are the pavements, at least, bought? 8-)

The ballasting is, as to be expected, superb, too. You seem to have finer material than me.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 11, 2017, 03:31:22 pm
Many thanks, again, for another inspirational set of excellent photos. of your lifelike scenery. I'm a big fan of using balsa wood for station platforms and raised areas but would never have thought of making hedges from it they way you described. (I bought all mine.)

Are the pavements, at least, bought? 8-)

The ballasting is, as to be expected, superb, too. You seem to have finer material than me.

Thanks Chris. The pavements are home printed. I'm not really very happy with them but couldn't achieve anything better. I tried photographing the real thing but, just like the crazy paving in my garden, the results weren't great. The cracks between slabs are too darn small to show up in N!

Some areas are made up of small sections of 'straights' in order to get round all the curves. My last batch (coming in a later post) were done by first making a template the shape of the required pavement. That was scanned into Photoshop and the pavement was then shaped to fit the resulting image.

The ballast is Woodland Scenics fine grade.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 11, 2017, 09:18:38 pm
YET MORE GARDENS AND A FARM YARD (September and October 2016)

The buildings along the far side of the road were fixed into position and their gardens developed. Here's a general view of the result.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205500.jpeg)

The scenic module was put on the layout again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205530.jpeg)

The next view shows where the road continues over a bridge - this area will be developed when the module is permanently in place. Having hidden the road behind trees at the other end of the layout here I took the alternative approach of running it over the front edge of the baseboard in full view.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205555.jpeg)

Hereís the view looking up the station approach road. The war memorial sits on a small green, behind it the Fox Inn. On the right are the two railway built cottages. These straddle the joint between two baseboard sections and are therefore not fixed down. The near cottage was leaning a bit when the photo was taken! Beyond is a rather neglected cottage.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205617.jpeg)

Here's that neglected cottage again. It has been on the market for a while but has now been sold and the new owners have been staying at the Fox next door for a few days while they've been cleaning the interior and putting up curtains. The removal van has arrived with their furniture.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205756.jpeg)

Two more views of the green.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205641.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205711.jpeg)

A view down the road looking towards the left end of the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205732.jpeg)

Two houses on the other side of the Fox...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205826.jpeg)

...and an aerial view of their gardens.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917205857.jpeg)

To finish off the road there's a farm house and surrounding buildings. The farmer's wife is a keen gardener, but she must be in the kitchen at the moment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917210034.jpeg)

A closer view of the house. One of the farm hands has just brought a tractor out and is now closing the gate and having a chat to one of his colleagues.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917210128.jpeg)

Meanwhile, in the yard, the farmer is chatting to his horse.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917210210.jpeg)

And finally for this rather lengthy post a look back down the road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917210235.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mattycoops43 on September 11, 2017, 09:29:21 pm
Beautiful! Thank you for sharing the pics!

Matt
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 11, 2017, 10:24:15 pm
LEFT HAND SCENIC MODULE FITTED TO LAYOUT (November 2016)

I fitted the scenic module to the baseboard and added more scenic material to blend it in. How nice it feels when an area of baseboard is finally covered over!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221453.jpeg)

The next shots show how Iíve installed the station masterís garden and the car park, both rather smaller than originally planned.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221545.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221716.jpeg)

Views from the back of the layout. The sky and background bushes/trees are on a piece of ply that I can stand against the layout when shooting towards the front of the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221654.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221633.jpeg)

And with the final shots we reach the end of 2016ís work. The layoutís one signal so far makes an appearance. At the time of posting, signals are still absent from the rest of the layout. Iím not sure what should go where, so may be asking for help in due course.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221609.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-110917221518.jpeg)

By the way, the 4MT in the foreground is weathered by TMC. The J39 is a factory weathered sample. Not much doubt which I prefer!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on September 11, 2017, 10:44:51 pm
I think this is the best N gauge layout I have ever seen.

The buildings are unbelievable. I don't know whether to feel inspired or to weep with feelings of low esteem!

Look forward to more pics!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 12, 2017, 08:00:37 am
I think this is the best N gauge layout I have ever seen.

The buildings are unbelievable. I don't know whether to feel inspired or to weep with feelings of low esteem!

Look forward to more pics!
I agree!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 12, 2017, 08:18:11 am
I tend to think you have formidable skills as a photographer, too, Roger. The lighting is brilliant.

I have had to look twice at the pics to convince myself they're not real.

You've set the bar high, mate, and I expect MRJ will be knocking on your door before long.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 12, 2017, 08:32:28 am
Thank you very much for these photographs of your extraordinary layout.

You have maintained a consistently high standard across all the elements of 'Wrenton', which is a significant achievement.

With regard to signalling, I'm sure that you'll get any help you need here on the Forum.

Your starting signal with its 'Rule 55 exempt' plate looks ideally placed to me.

With many thanks and all best wishes.

John

PS I agree with George about MRJ!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 09:57:46 am
Knit one, purl one.
Knit one, purl one.
Damn, I've dropped a stitch. Seems even knitting is beyond me :'(
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 11:07:37 am
I tend to think you have formidable skills as a photographer, too, Roger. The lighting is brilliant.
George
Lighting is a real battle! There's not much space between the front of the layout and a row of fitted wardrobes. The earlier shots (track laying, ballasting for example) are pretty poor, done with a point-and-shoot camera and available light. I now use 400w security lamps, the non-PIR ones. I have a couple of old lighting stands which get the lamps to a fair height and I bounce the light off the ceiling. For the most recent pics I've taken, not yet on the forum, I've added a third lamp which gives direct light, the other two filling in the shadows. This gives a better impression of sunlight, but wouldn't light the whole layout evenly. So with three light stands, an old mic stand supporting my moveable sky background and the camera tripod itself that space in front of the layout gets pretty crowded. Luckily the health and safety people don't come and see the mess of cables.

And thanks everyone else for the comments.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 12, 2017, 11:10:33 am
Cool reply! Thank you!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 01:02:53 pm
THE CENTRAL SCENIC MODULE (February Ė May 2017)

Itís time to fill in the gap in the village, another 3í2Ē run of houses required. Fortunately I almost had enough already built. I collected them all together and found that I needed just one more to complete the road on the middle baseboard. This one fills the gap.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124616.jpeg)

The base of the middle scenic module was made from layers of foamboard just like the earlier modules and the following photo shows it on the baseboard and with the buildings installed, the path of the road roughly painted in, most of the garden fences in place and trees placed temporarily along the back. I numbered the holes for all the trees on the back edge of the foamboard and when I removed the trees I put them into numbered bases so that I could put them back in the same locations later.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124634.jpeg)

With most of the garden fences in place the next job will be to complete the back gardens.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124655.jpeg)

The road and pavement part company about half way up the picture and the space between them, painted brown in the photo above, will be grassed.

The buildings which bridge the joints between baseboards will, of course, be removable as will large trees at the back of the baseboard - these hide part of the joints between the backscenes.

Once the scenic work has been completed away from the layout the module will be glued to the baseboard and the area between the road and the goods yard will be developed.

The gardens were constructed during April and early May. I've kept them fairly simple but made them as different as possible without spending too much time on them. Paths are a mix of printed textures, fine sand and painted surfaces. The flowers are home made clumps and some bought ones. Pots are also commercial products. The walls and fences are a mix of home made and bought.

The area behind the gardens has a rough layer of Woodland Scenics turf ready for further development. The road surface has yet to be painted.

The building seen above now has some pots and other plants along the front.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124929.jpeg)

The construction of the cottage on the right in the next picture is described here: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124719.jpeg)

The same two buildings seen from behind.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124738.jpeg)

The same cottage again, with its other neighbour. I think figures in static poses look better than those supposed to be moving. So a chat at the garden gate and a meeting further up the road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124912.jpeg)

Going a bit further along, where the road and pathway part company. The area between has now been grassed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124756.jpeg)

The backs of the same buildings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124817.jpeg)

A couple of ladies stop for a chat outside a shop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124836.jpeg)

Here are some of my earliest buildings, now with some greenery around them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124854.jpeg)

Next I planted the four bar fencing which borders the goods yard. I described how itís made in an earlier post. Thereís no pavement between it and the road so I added some static grass on the far side of the fence Ė that area will be harder to reach when the scenic module is fixed to the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917124955.jpeg)

Back at the station approach road Iíve made a start on the gardens of the railway cottages. Iíve also added belisha beacons to the road crossing. They were made from pins with the head cut off and a small bead araldited on.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917125011.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: MinZaPint on September 12, 2017, 02:12:17 pm
I think I'll join NPN's Knitting circle (http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/home/t6020.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/t-home.php)  :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 02:19:48 pm
I think I'll join NPN's Knitting circle


I'm already in!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917141823.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 03:19:06 pm
I think I'll join NPN's Knitting circle ([url]http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/home/t6020.gif[/url]) ([url]http://yoursmiles.org/t-home.php[/url])  :wonderfulmodelling:


 :laughabovepost:
Welcome aboard, David. The only similarity between any efforts of mine and Wrenton are the odd vehicle or two :-[
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on September 12, 2017, 03:25:17 pm
As I look at the photos of  your creations Rodger, the thought that spings to mind is "what is the phone number for  the local estate agents." The buildings looks so real, I want to move in!

I apriciate you not wanting to exhibit but I really hope one of the model railway magazines offers you not just an opportunity to be Railway of the month but possibly a series of articles detailing how you achieve such magnificent results. Your work deserves to be seen by as many people as possible.
Maybe a publisher would be interested in working with you to produce a modeling instructional book.

Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to document your methods.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on September 12, 2017, 04:32:10 pm
Roger,
I second Trev's comments.
 :greatpicturessign:
Dennis.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 12, 2017, 04:42:55 pm
I agree. I think there is good scope for an instructional text book that would be useful to modelers in all scales, but particularly n gauge.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 06:05:55 pm
I really hope one of the model railway magazines offers you not just an opportunity to be Railway of the month but possibly a series of articles detailing how you achieve such magnificent results. Your work deserves to be seen by as many people as possible.

I think a magazine article/s might be an idea. But first I need to finish the layout! We're nearly up to the present day in this tale and there's plenty still to do.

There do seem to be some good books around these days. A bit different to when I was a kid. But I do still have my copies of 'Miniature Building Construction' and 'Miniature Landscape Modelling' both by the wonderful John Ahern. I found Richard Bardsley's 'Making a Start in N Gauge Railway Modelling' to be a useful intro when I started on my N journey. The publishers of that book seem to be building quite a large catalogue of railway modelling books.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 06:13:10 pm
DEVELOPING THE RIGHT HAND END BASEBOARD (June 2017)

With the line of the fencing on the centre section of the baseboard settled it was possible to extend the fencing onto the right hand section and seventeen months after the scenic module for that end was completed it was finally blended into scenery around the tracks. Most of the 'bushes' are various colours and grades of Woodland Scenics materials. And much more fencing was needed. Those wagons desperately need some weathering - one of the many outstanding jobs! I don't think I need to comment further on these photos.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180648.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180710.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180727.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180746.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180807.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917180828.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 12, 2017, 06:31:36 pm
Roger

Many thanks for these wonderful pictures.

I'm glad you included the last one as it gave me (a steam locomotive enthusiast) the opportunity to look at a steam-hauled train without being distracted by the surroundings.

Hmm: that's not normally the case...

... the last time it happened was at Pendon!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 12, 2017, 08:00:31 pm
Great pictures! It looks like we have 'Liverpool', 80119, and the J39 in common.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 08:07:36 pm
Great pictures! It looks like we have 'Liverpool', 80119, and the J39 in common.
The J39 was my first loco. A beautiful runner still.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on September 12, 2017, 09:19:00 pm
Spent a very enjoyable few hours (at work)  :-[ going through your posts, fantastic work, as echoed by the many others who have savoured your brilliant photos.  Look forward to being able to keep up at a more sedate pace now!

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 12, 2017, 09:47:12 pm
Roger - you haven't listed an N Gauge Society membership number, but the editor of their Journal is always crying out for articles and you could make a valuable contribution to it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2017, 10:04:31 pm
A railway running in the country side which looks so natural.I am very impressed with the standard of this layout, can not believe how I have missed it. Your buildings look superb, not the usual kit buildings the rest of us mortals use. I am definitely not joining Micks knitting circle though that would be too much like giving up,sorry Mick!!!.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on September 12, 2017, 11:13:31 pm
I am definitely not joining Micks knitting circle though that would be too much like giving up,sorry Mick!!!.

I'm sure Mick's tongue is firmly in cheek. I'm also sure that Roger would like his wonderful work to be an inspiration, and not a stick to beat ourselves with. As a newcomer to the hobby, I'm grateful for this example of top-quality modelling in N-gauge and even if - as I expect! - I'll fall short, it's great to have a standard to aim for. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 12, 2017, 11:41:33 pm
The Goods Yard and the Signal Box (July Ė August 2017)

In July I constructed the last buildings for the layout, the goods shed, the signal box, and three small buildings for the goods yard. Then, in August, they were installed and the surrounding areas were developed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917232749.jpeg)

The shed was made using my usual methods. The walls are cut from 20 thou plasticard using the Silhouette machine, which makes cutting the arched windows easy. As the windows are solid the interior is a bit dark, but there is a platform in there, together with some parcels and other bits and pieces. Also in the yard is a weighbridge office, a toilet building and an office for the coal merchants (King and Son).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917232921.jpeg)

The yard crane is by Graham Farish, an expensive option but it looks good. The cattle dock is a modified Ratio model. The coal bins are Ratio kits with real coal instead of the supplied plastic version. Good heavens Ė all these kits on Wrenton!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917232812.jpeg)

I think Mr King and Son have just had a large delivery of coal.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917232941.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233001.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233019.jpeg)

The signal box was scratch built but using the etched window frames from the Ratio signal box interior kit. The rest of the kit is in the building but pretty much invisible! The Silhouette machine was used to score the planking of the walls. It was invaluable for cutting accurate components for the staircase but it was still a fiddly job assembling them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233037.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233057.jpeg)

So, after nearly four years work the whole of the baseboard has been covered. Here are views of the entire layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233139.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-120917233157.jpeg)

And that brings us up to date. Thereís still much to do. Signals, road signs, clutter on the platforms, weathering of rolling stock and treatment of the road surface which is currently a bit shiny in places are all waiting for attention.

Iím currently adding some extra storage roads in the fiddle yard and Iíve made a hideously ugly cover for the layout Ė details to follow when I have time to photograph it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2017, 07:34:12 am
Highly impressive. When I saw the first photo. in this series, I thought it was the full-size prototype!

Thanks for the clarification about the pavements.

Your layout should definitely appear in one of the model railway magazines.

My worry about adding tiny fragile details like trackside signs is that they will be damaged when I use my mini vacuum cleaner to remove all dust, etc.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 13, 2017, 07:41:30 am
Fantastic Roger. After much deliberation I think that I am inspired to do better on my layout rather than join the knitting circle. But it was a close run thing!!  :thankyousign:  :greatpicturessign:  :thumbsup:  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 13, 2017, 08:27:43 am
This has been a wonderful exposition of an exceptional model. When I arrive home, I will download the entire sequence and use it as a tutorial. Well done!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on September 13, 2017, 08:41:16 am
I could look at those photos of the 3MT exiting the tunnel and the A4 all day long. The one of the A4 in particular looks so lifelike, it could have been a photo of the real thing taken on a hot August Saturday afternoon in 1962.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 13, 2017, 08:50:32 am
Probably me tenth birthday  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on September 13, 2017, 10:09:27 am
The depth you get in your windows is very realistic but obviously very time consuming. I dread cutting those tiny window openings.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 11:10:55 am
Roger - you haven't listed an N Gauge Society membership number, but the editor of their Journal is always crying out for articles and you could make a valuable contribution to it.

I keep meaning to join the NGS but somehow never seem to get round to doing it! So I haven't seen the journal and don't know how many pictures they're able to include. Would they be interested in something like the post I did with the cottage build, for example? It would need all those pics to make sense, I think.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Cimmerian on September 13, 2017, 11:17:02 am
It's a while since I've been on here but I'm at work and bored and thought I'd take a look and see what's going on.

This thread is awesome, I've never seen such excellent modelling. Just gone through it from the start and I just kept getting more and more impressed. Thank you so much for all the great photos. 
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 11:21:26 am
My worry about adding tiny fragile details like trackside signs is that they will be damaged when I use my mini vacuum cleaner to remove all dust, etc.

Something I worry about too. I've actually used a normal vacuum cleaner on Wrenton, one of those very powerful ones now banned by the EU. I did once suck up an Oxford car and had to empty the bag to retrieve it! When I'm picking up surplus static grass I use the usual trick of putting an old handkerchief over the nozzle of the vacuum so that I can recycle as much as possible. Works for normal cleaning too. Another trick I've tried is to stretch a scrap of tights (or stockings) over the end of the hose and push the nozzle onto it. Lets the dust through and catches any wanted parts that come loose.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 11:22:22 am
Fantastic Roger. After much deliberation I think that I am inspired to do better on my layout rather than join the knitting circle. But it was a close run thing!!

Good decision!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 13, 2017, 11:23:34 am

I keep meaning to join the NGS but somehow never seem to get round to doing it! So I haven't seen the journal and don't know how many pictures they're able to include. Would they be interested in something like the post I did with the cottage build, for example? It would need all those pics to make sense, I think.
I think that would be an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 11:28:19 am
The one of the A4 in particular looks so lifelike, it could have been a photo of the real thing taken on a hot August Saturday afternoon in 1962.

My memories of A4s are with a very different background, at Harringay. It was always such a treat to see one. I remember hearing that distinctive whistle and seeing a drift of steam in the distance when up at Alexandra Palace. Happy days.

By the way, the 'avatar' I use is an A4 on the Forth Bridge taken from one of my paintings.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on September 13, 2017, 12:54:55 pm
Hi Roger,
I would like to reiterate my thanks for sharing your extremely realistic layout with us. As others have said, it is hard to believe we are not looking at the real thing when viewing your amazing pics.
Cheers Dennis.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2017, 01:14:02 pm

I keep meaning to join the NGS but somehow never seem to get round to doing it! So I haven't seen the journal and don't know how many pictures they're able to include. Would they be interested in something like the post I did with the cottage build, for example? It would need all those pics to make sense, I think.
I think that would be an excellent idea.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 02:08:16 pm

I keep meaning to join the NGS but somehow never seem to get round to doing it! So I haven't seen the journal and don't know how many pictures they're able to include. Would they be interested in something like the post I did with the cottage build, for example? It would need all those pics to make sense, I think.
I think that would be an excellent idea.

Seconded.

I've signed up! Will have a look at the journal and think about possible contributions.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 13, 2017, 02:53:11 pm
Well done! Welcome to the NGS.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 08:30:35 pm
I second the comment welcome to the ngs, a article from you on making buildings would go nice in the mag. Since the new editor the mag has improved with lots of good articles, and they are always looking for more.
 
"By the way, the 'avatar' I use is an A4 on the Forth Bridge taken from one of my paintings." 

Nice Avatar, did you do the painting your self, that would go some way to explain your mastery with your scenery.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 08:50:37 pm
Nice Avatar, did you do the painting your self, that would go some way to explain your mastery with your scenery.

Yes, all my own work. It took ages.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-130917204840.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: weave on September 13, 2017, 09:08:27 pm
Do we have to kneel and start worshipping you?

Just amazing. Love it.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS. Are you any good at guttering?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Big bad John on September 13, 2017, 09:35:31 pm
That painting is absolutely stunning it's as good as the ones in the current Bachman collectors club calendar. :greatwork:  :admiration:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 09:48:55 pm
PS. Are you any good at guttering?
Only in N scale!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 13, 2017, 09:50:56 pm
@lil chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784)
Now you've seen the painting, we still have openings at the Knitting Circle, Chris ;)
(BTW - I'm hoping you're not taking me seriously regarding giving up and taking up the knitting needles!)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 13, 2017, 10:30:38 pm
I knew it Rodger, Superb painting its better than a painting I have on the wall at home.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/1784-130917222704.jpeg)


Strange isn't it I am a LMS man but have a pic of the most famous LNER loco of all time.Mick I have done a bit of oil painting in my time in fact I still have them somewhere, so sorry I decline your offer of Knitting......
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 13, 2017, 10:46:39 pm
Strange isn't it I am a LMS man but have a pic of the most famous LNER loco of all time.

You have to admit they're beautiful beasts. But did they look better with the valances or without? My vote is without.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 14, 2017, 08:10:59 am
Nice Avatar, did you do the painting your self, that would go some way to explain your mastery with your scenery.
Yes, all my own work. It took ages.

A magnificent painting!  I see the Forth Bridge almost every day and never tire of it.

Strange isn't it I am a LMS man but have a pic of the most famous LNER loco of all time.

You have to admit they're beautiful beasts. But did they look better with the valances or without? My vote is without.

Although I have seen rather a lot of 'No. 9' over the years, I've got to admit that my vote would be for the valances.  Probably 'Coronation' blue just pips 'Silver Jubilee' silver/grey for liveries, in my view.

I've often wondered what BR 'Racing Green' would look like on an 'A4' with valances.  It certainly suits the unvalanced locomotives.

Thank you very much for sharing the large image of your painting.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on September 14, 2017, 09:30:22 am
The thing I most like about your village is the variation in ground level and street frontage (building line). This gives a wonderful naturalness and sense of townscape.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on September 14, 2017, 09:36:33 am
Can we have a little more about your use of the Silhouette catting machine? What made you buy it and how much do you use it?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 14, 2017, 09:56:20 am
Without valences, certainly. And there can be doubt that the maintenance crew thought that!  :thumbsup:

Great artwork! The late Mr Cuneo has competition!

Didn't spot a mouse, though  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RichardBattersby on September 14, 2017, 10:54:40 am
An absolutely incredible build and an awful lot of talent. I'll be following with much interest.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 14, 2017, 12:14:02 pm
Can we have a little more about your use of the Silhouette catting machine? What made you buy it and how much do you use it?

I first found out about the machine from a magazine article a while back. It showed some impressive 4mm scale coach sides cut with it and I thought that it would be a great way of making buildings and more.

I've just added a post to the cottage build thread which shows some non-house building uses. In fact I use it for pretty much any plastikard cutting job.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 14, 2017, 12:16:08 pm
Didn't spot a mouse, though

The loco just ran over it !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 14, 2017, 12:19:16 pm
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 16, 2017, 06:16:02 pm
KEEPING IT CLEAN

This is not very pretty! Wrenton under wraps.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-160917180706.jpeg)

For a long while I covered the layout with black bin liners. This kept the dust off and the light out. I think the latter is as important as the former. With lots of home printed textures on the buildings I didnít want them fading too soon. As a precaution I always use the printer manufacturerís own inks Ė considerably more expensive than the so-called compatibles but much more likely to resist fading.

The liners worked fine, but there was always the risk that they might catch on something fragile when placing or removing them.  So I  made up this cover using 5mm foamboard.

To support the side panels I added some strips of 3mm mdf to the sides of the baseboard to form a channel into which the panels would sit. I also wanted to support strips of acrylic glazing which would stand about 2Ē above scenery level to protect vulnerable parts at the front of the baseboard from visitors leaning across the layout to point out details of the cottages. I plead guilty to having done it myself. Iíve had to replace the tops of the station lamps a few too many times!

I cut three lengths of mdf for each front face of the baseboards. One was 1ĹĒ wide, the second was 3ĹĒ and the third 4Ē.

Hereís a cross section drawing showing how I fitted them to the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-160917180736.jpeg)

The deepest channel takes the glazing. To add the cover uprights the glazing is removed and the foamboard sits in the wider, shallow channel at the top.

The covering foamboard pieces have narrow strips of board added front and back to form channels.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-160917180824.jpeg)

These locate the boards over the front foamboard panels and the backscene.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-160917180844.jpeg)

It only takes a couple of minutes to remove the cover and drop in the glazing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-160917180756.jpeg)

So hopefully Wrenton is now protected from dust, light and fat bellies!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2017, 07:23:44 pm
Very nice and a really good idea, I having been thinking of something similar but need to put it into action.

Ps where do you get the foam board.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 16, 2017, 07:35:54 pm
Ps where do you get the foam board.

Hobbycraft. They were selling four sheets (approx 30" x 23") for a tenner and I needed eight so it worked out just right!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 16, 2017, 09:23:20 pm
Was your acrylic sourced from a nationwide company and did it accept cutting/drilling fairly easily please?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 16, 2017, 10:09:45 pm
Was your acrylic sourced from a nationwide company and did it accept cutting/drilling fairly easily please?

It came from Homebase: Liteglaze Acrylic Sheet - 120 x 60cm sheet. It cost £16.95 and one sheet was enough for Wrenton. It can be sawn but needs clamping down firmly either side of the cut and a fine tooth saw. But I used an old scribing tool I've had for ages. I made a few passes with the tool to get a good groove cut, then placed the material on the workmate with the cut line on the edge of the worktop. I clamped a length of 2x1 timber onto the overhanging part and pressed down. The result should be a nice clean cut edge which needs a bit of work with glass paper to make the edges less sharp. I found a scribing tool similar to mine on Amazon - search for Modelcraft Plastic Cutter Scriber.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daffy on September 16, 2017, 11:01:56 pm
Neat and simple dust and light barrier - excellent! :thumbsup:

Thanks for the reminder about Liteglaze, Roger. :thumbsup:  I used it some years ago for secondary double glazing.

@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) : the manufacturers website has full details on cutting, sawing, drilling and cleaning, and it's available in different thicknesses, 2, 4 & 6mm

http://www.arielplastics.com/en-gb/products/glazing-sheet/liteglaze-acrylic-sheet/4mm-clear.aspx (http://www.arielplastics.com/en-gb/products/glazing-sheet/liteglaze-acrylic-sheet/4mm-clear.aspx)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: BoxTunnel on September 17, 2017, 03:24:58 am
Ps where do you get the foam board.

I was looking for foamboard the other day and this site seems pretty reasonable.

https://www.graphicsdirect.co.uk/foam-board/white-foam-board.html (https://www.graphicsdirect.co.uk/foam-board/white-foam-board.html)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2017, 04:21:50 am
Roger and Daffy - Thank very much for the info on Liteglaze :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 17, 2017, 07:54:45 am
Roger and Daffy - Thank very much for the info on Liteglaze :thumbsup:

Seconded.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mr Sprue on September 17, 2017, 09:06:25 am
WoW!!! :goggleeyes: Amazing modelling Roger yet another member who thinks your skills are brilliant. I have to add your scratch built buildings are without any doubt the best I have ever seen!  :thumbsup:

Thanks for posting this thread and for the massive treat of eye candy :heart2:

Regards
David
 
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 20, 2017, 07:22:21 pm
Thanks for posting this thread and for the massive treat of eye candy.

Thanks David, and anyone else I've missed!

Have spent much of today kneeling under the baseboard making some changes to the wiring under the scenic side of the layout. Seventy-two year old knees don't take kindly to kneeling so long, though I did have a break for a very expensive visit to the dentist. Eventually I tried kneeling on an old seat cushion I saved when I junked the rest of the chair. It helped but the extra few inches of height put my head into the danger zone! Looks as though there are several more days ahead doing this job.

So I thought I'd prepare a couple more photos of the layout as a break. First a similar view to an earlier shot, though that one was taken before this area was 'complete.' The 4MT pops up again, pulling northwards out of the station.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-200917190801.jpeg)

As it passes between the road bridge and the tunnel mouth a rather too clean B1 emerges. The road over the bridge is rather narrower than I intended - I forgot to make room for the pavement! I guess it needs a line down the centre of the road - another job to do.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-200917190849.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 20, 2017, 07:39:31 pm
Narrow bridges and no pavements were not uncommon in the 50s and 60s.  It's only in more recent years that separate footbridges and traffic light control have been added.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on September 20, 2017, 07:41:47 pm
Eventually I tried kneeling on an old seat cushion I saved when I junked the rest of the chair. It helped but the extra few inches of height put my head into the danger zone! Looks as though there are several more days ahead doing this job.

If you don't mind being mistaken for a skateboarder: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=builders+knee+pads (https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=builders+knee+pads)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 20, 2017, 08:10:15 pm
Very nice Rodger, the bridge looks ok width wise to me. Like someone said, when the bridge was built there would not been the same traffic, probably horse and cart's. Talking about Dentists, my friend said to me the dentist gives you anaesthetic while working on your teeth, trouble is nowadays you need  anaesthetic when you get the bill, it cost me £88 last week for a filling and check.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 20, 2017, 08:25:01 pm
Narrow bridges and no pavements were not uncommon in the 50s and 60s.  It's only in more recent years that separate footbridges and traffic light control have been added.
Agreed.

My logic in having the pavement was that there's a town that's grown just off screen due to the existence of the rail link, so the pavement was a later addition. The path that's been trodden down between the station car park and the bridge is used by folk coming from there. Cover story for a simple mistake!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 20, 2017, 08:27:54 pm
Talking about Dentists, my friend said to me the dentist gives you anaesthetic while working on your teeth, trouble is nowadays you need  anaesthetic when you get the bill, it cost me £88 last week for a filling and check.

Try having implants! Still, I guess it's better than having too many gaps.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mattycoops43 on September 20, 2017, 08:28:24 pm
This is local to me.

It's not a pavement in the far side, it's a ridge of paving stones to stop lorries knocking the side off. It is just about wide enough for a bus and a car.

https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/1/15/The_edge_of_Caerleon_Bridge_and_the_Usk_-_Geograph_-_1592208.jpg (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/1/15/The_edge_of_Caerleon_Bridge_and_the_Usk_-_Geograph_-_1592208.jpg)

Matt
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 20, 2017, 08:32:11 pm

If you don't mind being mistaken for a skateboarder: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=builders+knee+pads (https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=builders+knee+pads)
Good idea!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 20, 2017, 08:39:38 pm
This is local to me.
Matt
There's a nice example near the village that inspired my buildings. Pavement separated from the road, but I wonder if any bridge over a railway would be like this.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9516278,0.4366101,3a,75y,4.32h,88.16t/data= (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9516278,0.4366101,3a,75y,4.32h,88.16t/data=)!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY8OSLpRySMwvmtHWdcgEUA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 20, 2017, 10:34:27 pm
Great pictures, thank you.

There a really narrow road bridge over the mainline at Oxhey Road, Watford Heath.

I recall a tanker truck getting stuck on the bridge and the road was closed for ages.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mattycoops43 on September 20, 2017, 10:42:28 pm
This was me, and yes, I felt like a complete idiot. Far side of the bridge was a 90 degree turn and a 40' drop, and I was wedged against a solid iron post.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6105-200917224157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56021)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on September 21, 2017, 07:01:59 am
The bridge over the mainline at Wolvercote, just north of Oxford is exactly like that.  Originally, it was a narrow bridge with no footpath.  Then they added a separate footbridge.  Now they've narrowed the road to single track, installed traffic lights and added a pavement to the main bridge.  Is there no bottom to the pot of money at the local highways department?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on September 21, 2017, 07:05:16 am
Blimey, Matt!

Hope you didn't get into too much trouble.

A mate of mine does a similar job and he's told me of some of the driving 'challenges' he faces. I guess if a driver was provided with a decent HGV type satnav, that could help avoid such problems.

Apologies Roger - going  :offtopicsign:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: The Q on September 21, 2017, 08:53:34 am
I worked for Tescos and a senior manager came up to find out why the .com vans were being scraped down the sides. He said "if there were trees hanging over the road, the vans should be driven further out from the kerb"

The staff replied, that would put us in the ditch the other side.

Currently due to a fire that has burnt out a pub and the two houses alongside, I'm driving on roads like that everyday, with grass growing down the middle of the tarmac. The offical diversion is about ten miles by two way road.
The offical road closure is until some time in October, But I expect it to go on for at least 18 months as the buildings are hard on the road and they'll need to put scaffolding up to rebuild them. http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/news/new-footage-of-ingham-swan-fire-captures-the-moment-ferocious-blaze-took-hold-1-5201016 (http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/news/new-footage-of-ingham-swan-fire-captures-the-moment-ferocious-blaze-took-hold-1-5201016)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 21, 2017, 11:27:32 am
The bridge over the mainline at Wolvercote, just north of Oxford is exactly like that.  Originally, it was a narrow bridge with no footpath.  Then they added a separate footbridge.  Now they've narrowed the road to single track, installed traffic lights and added a pavement to the main bridge.  Is there no bottom to the pot of money at the local highways department?

There's a prototype for everything !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mattycoops43 on September 21, 2017, 06:57:17 pm
Blimey, Matt!

Hope you didn't get into too much trouble.

A mate of mine does a similar job and he's told me of some of the driving 'challenges' he faces. I guess if a driver was provided with a decent HGV type satnav, that could help avoid such problems.

Apologies Roger - going  :offtopicsign:

Dave G

Thank you, and no I didn't get into trouble. We called the RAC, asked for a lorry to drag me out (access from the way in was fine) and they sent a van, the driver of said van got out and scratched his head and said '...... er.... I don't know mate'. In the end we rocked it out as it was cross axled. The sign at the top of the lane said 'not suitable for HGV' which I did not think included vans.

Anyway, shall we get back to lovely pics of a stunning layout? I feel like I hijacked the thread, my apologies.

Matt
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 21, 2017, 08:34:14 pm
Anyway, shall we get back to lovely pics of a stunning layout? I feel like I hijacked the thread, my apologies.

OK, Matt, a couple more pics for you. Had to borrow a Tardis to go back a few more years. 4472 herself (or should that be himself?) with a train of Gresley Teaks. I did say Rule One applies...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-210917202922.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-210917202943.jpeg)

That's one loco I don't want weathered.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 21, 2017, 08:41:34 pm
Many thanks for two beautiful pictures.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 26, 2017, 11:24:51 am
Iíve added some short extra sidings to the fiddle yard. Iíve finally assembled the turntable kit which has been sitting in a box for several years. Not sure if it will stay, but time will tell.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-260917112203.jpeg)

I had to add some extra wiring to enable access to the new sidings. At the ends of each of the main storage roads Iíve got short isolated sections the power to which is fed through auxiliary switches on all the Cobalt motors involved in setting the required route. For example, in order to power the section at this end of road 10 the three way point nearest the camera has to be set to the left route, likewise the second three-way. Finally the point just beyond the black box has to be set to the curved route.

In order to get into the two sidings leading to the turntable that point beyond the black box obviously has to be set to the straight route and that cuts the power to the isolated section at the end of road 10. So one of the two push-to-make switches in the black box briefly powers it. The other button similarly powers the end section of road 1.

Hope that makes sense!

There are similar sidings at the other end of the layout. Thereís no room for a tripod or lights at this end, so itís a hand held available light shot.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-260917112231.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 26, 2017, 12:08:19 pm
Cool.  :thumbsup:

Definitely  do NOT weather that locomotive!   :telloff:

The fiddle yard looks as professional as the rest of the layout. You have to submit this to the major magazines.   :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on September 26, 2017, 12:13:08 pm
Seconded.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 26, 2017, 02:26:34 pm
Definitely  do NOT weather that locomotive!

Don't worry, it's not going to happen !

You have to submit this to the major magazines.   

I'd like to sort out some signals, weather some of the wagons and provide them with loads, plus a few other jobs before going too public with the layout. Not that this place is private, of course...

Any more possums lately?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 26, 2017, 11:11:00 pm
 :laughabovepost: Ha ha, no.... but I haven't cleaned up after it/them yet either. It's been too hot to go out there these last couple of days.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 30, 2017, 02:27:24 pm
It was a chilly, misty, autumn morning as our intrepid photographer ventured forth with his trusty Nikon S-2. He hadn't loaded it with his usual Kodachrome, instead choosing the much faster, monochrome, Ilford HPS. He was rewarded with this shot of a J39 leaving the station with a short train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-300917142002.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 30, 2017, 02:39:28 pm
Thanks for this beautifully atmospheric photo.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on September 30, 2017, 02:45:02 pm
Streuth! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on September 30, 2017, 02:49:59 pm
That certainly is a great photo.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2017, 03:20:44 pm
That is an awesome photo which would grace any 1:1 railway calendar :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on September 30, 2017, 03:36:41 pm
Thank you very much for this splendid photograph which reminds me of Ivo Peters' work.

It's the second brilliant black and white photograph I've seen on the Forum today!  Here's the other:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Longframlington/i-3HvfKtq/0/60a23916/L/DSCF3001%20%2810%29-L.jpg

Thanks again and all the best.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on September 30, 2017, 08:54:39 pm
What a good pics and the B&W enhances it too, so much atmosphere from one pic, brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on September 30, 2017, 08:58:11 pm
Superb!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: weave on September 30, 2017, 09:28:00 pm
It was a chilly, misty, autumn morning as our intrepid photographer ventured forth with his trusty Nikon S-2. He hadn't loaded it with his usual Kodachrome, instead choosing the much faster, monochrome, Ilford HPS. He was rewarded with this shot of a J39 leaving the station with a short train.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-300917142002.jpeg[/url])


Words fail me except Thank You and fantastic shot!

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on September 30, 2017, 11:25:27 pm
A little later the sun began to cut through the mist, so it was time to switch back to colour film - just in time to capture 'City of London' speeding past. (Not sure how these Midland Region locos are getting this far east - thank goodness for Rule One !)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-300917232314.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on September 30, 2017, 11:51:52 pm
Great stuff, Roger. You are obviously a whizz with a camera, too! Triple  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 01, 2017, 09:09:18 am
Great stuff, Roger. You are obviously a whizz with a camera, too! Triple  :thumbsup:

Seconded! Just like the real thing.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on October 03, 2017, 03:03:00 pm
Can only echo what the others have said, fab pictures, the Flying Scotsman pics look amazing as does the B&W J39.  I will be back on my layout by the weekend, your thread has been very inspirational while I have been away from it
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on October 03, 2017, 05:05:48 pm
Just.......brilliant
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 05, 2017, 10:19:32 pm
Iíve finished tidying up the wiring and have now been able to re-organise the Ďrailway room.í More than three years ago I planned the construction of the baseboard for Wrenton. I wanted to store a bed and a couple of bedside cabinets under it with the bed placed lengthwise. Until now the bed has been placed at right angles to the baseboard making it easy(ish) to access the point motors and wiring and providing storage space for construction materials. But, at last, Iíve been able to store the scenic grass, foliage and numerous other bits and pieces elsewhere, turn the bed through 90 degrees and put the cabinets in place, back-to-back. Iíve also moved the whole thing nearer to the back wall, making more space in front of the layout for camera tripod and lights.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-051017221602.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: weave on October 05, 2017, 11:29:31 pm
Hi,

Forgetting your fantastic modelling skills, that looks great too. I've been a bit ill recently but managed to do a bit of tidying up tonight for hopefully some pics of my layout at the Weekend. I think a complete rethink of the words tidying up and re-organising is needed in my dictionary  :(.

Great stuff. An inspiration to us all.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on October 06, 2017, 06:48:37 am
Totally agree with @weave (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=735)! That looks so neat and tidy, Roger.

I have to must do a proper tidy-up as I have a VIP visitor coming along next week to show me what I'm doing wrong with my electrickery.

Please keep the photos coming.

Dave G

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 06, 2017, 11:13:59 am
Weave and Dave - Thank you both. It certainly makes the room a bit more presentable! Weave - hope you're feeling better now. Happy snapping on the weekend!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 07, 2017, 07:12:21 pm
At risk of spoiling the illusion, I thought you might like to see the un-Photoshopped versions of the misty morning photos...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-071017190956.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-071017190929.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on October 07, 2017, 07:25:09 pm
Superb.
Absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 07, 2017, 07:35:37 pm
Superb.
Absolutely brilliant.

Seconded! I cannot say anything else. Truly wonderful.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on October 07, 2017, 08:51:23 pm
And thirded. Misty or full technicolour they're superb.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: weave on October 07, 2017, 09:32:38 pm
Fourthed,

Lets see how many members we actually have on here  :)

I actually prefer the real ones (you know what I mean) Beautiful. Thank you.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on October 08, 2017, 10:11:07 am
Oh good lord!
Out of curiosity, I just went on to Google maps and put in the village name, Finchingfield that a lot of your buildings are based on and then selecting street view, put myself in the middle of the village right by the pond.

Having been blown away by your own photos, to be standing in the real village looking around with street view, puts your modeling on an even higher level - if that's possible.  :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 08, 2017, 11:19:56 am
Oh good lord!
Out of curiosity, I just went on to Google maps and put in the village name, Finchingfield that a lot of your buildings are based on and then selecting street view, put myself in the middle of the village right by the pond.

Thanks Trev. Pretty little village, isn't it? It pops up on most Essex calendars and certainly isn't what most people would associate with that county. It would have been nice to model it 'as is' but it would have been a bit big and no room for a railway! A good many years ago I built a website which includes lots of old photos as well as some more recent ones. http://www.finchingfield.org.uk/index.htm (http://www.finchingfield.org.uk/index.htm)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on October 08, 2017, 11:36:48 am
As you say Roger, a very pretty village and even retaining the windmill.

The look of the buildings, some thatched roofs etc and the layout of things like the raised grass verges and the pond, remind me very much of some of the villages in South Oxfordshire where I grew up.

Well done on your website as well - a real treasure which is probably helping the local economy as more people discover this English gem.

Trev
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 08, 2017, 04:48:26 pm
WoW! :goggleeyes: Fantastic pictures, the only thing missing is the smoke and steam, if there was it would play tricks on the human eye.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 10, 2017, 10:57:09 pm
Iíve not done any weathering of rolling stock before, so it's about time to give it a try. I had a dozen assorted RTR mineral wagons, plus eight Peco kits which have been sitting in a cupboard for several years. So after some ten days work I now have a fairly grubby coal train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-101017224500.jpeg)

First I made the loads for the wagons Ė nothing very original here.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-101017224627.jpeg)

Pieces of black plastikard were cut to fit the wagons. The supporting pieces were cut from 40 thou. Extra layers of black 20 or 30 thou, with chamfers filed on the edges, were added to form a nice Ďmoundí. A good dollop of WS Scenic Glue was spread on top and Peco fine grade real coal sprinkled on.

Some of the wagons were weathered using Humbrol materials, the first two in the next picture, for example. I applied some Decalfix and brushed in a mix of Rust, Iron Oxide, Dark Earth and Smoke powders.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-101017224521.jpeg)

Later I switched to using Lifecolor paints from the Dust and Rust, Rail Weathering and Weathered Wood sets. All the wagons in the next photo were done with them, except of the light grey one.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-101017224544.jpeg)

The ex-PO wagon in the next pic is GF product with just a few touches of rust added to the chassis.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-101017224605.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on October 10, 2017, 11:15:27 pm
Good job, Roger. You certainly have an artist's eye :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on October 11, 2017, 08:19:16 am
Superb weathering with such realistic results Roger.

It must have taken ages to load up all those wagons! I feel very lazy the way I did mne - just a folded card platform painted black, then some wood glue spread on it before pouring the coal on top and finally fixed with PVA/water dropper.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on October 11, 2017, 09:34:20 am
It is also important to colour/weather the insides of the wagons and glue some small amounts of coal in them for when/if they run as empties. Here's examples of some fellow member mk1gtstu did for me.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/main_20556.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2017, 09:37:50 am
Yep, the wagon master for sure.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 11, 2017, 10:17:45 am
It is also important to colour/weather the insides of the wagons and glue some small amounts of coal in them for when/if they run as empties. Here's examples of some fellow member mk1gtstu did for me.....

Yours look good. I did dirty up the interiors a bit and am planning to add some bits of coal and dust like yours if I want to run the train without the loads. There are two empties that sit in the goods yard which will have some remnants of their loads in them - they're on the list of jobs to be done! (Which seems never ending...)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: maridunian on October 11, 2017, 10:36:49 am
This is really inspiring modelling. Am part way through a house move, so all my stuff's boxed somewhere, but I can't wait to get back to it.

I used a similar, but quicker trick for dummy coal loads. Take a polystyrene ceiling tile, cut into wagon-width strips, chop these into wagon-length rectangles. With finger tips/tweezers, pluck some bubbles off the top edges to create a mounded effect. Cover with PVA, sprinkle on coal. Simples!

Mike 
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 11, 2017, 04:53:15 pm
Really superb work on the wagons, Roger, and the similar work of mk1gtstu. Highly realistic. I hate to be picky but BR brown-liveried wagons were vacuum-braked (or, at least, through piped) whilst the non-vacuum-braked ones were grey and it was usual to have the brown wagons marshalled at the front of trains as a 'fitted head' with the grey ones behind with a brake van at the end. The purpose of the 'fitted head' was to assist the loco.'s brakes when slowing the train.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 11, 2017, 09:52:13 pm
Really superb work on the wagons, Roger, and the similar work of mk1gtstu. Highly realistic. I hate to be picky but BR brown-liveried wagons were vacuum-braked (or, at least, through piped) whilst the non-vacuum-braked ones were grey and it was usual to have the brown wagons marshalled at the front of trains as a 'fitted head' with the grey ones behind with a brake van at the end. The purpose of the 'fitted head' was to assist the loco.'s brakes when slowing the train.

Agreed, but when I set it up that way it didn't make a very good photo! I have a vague memory that it was possible to have as few as four fitted vehicles behind the loco, running with a speed limit of 35mph. Which might have looked ok had I thought of it when I was taking the photos...

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2017, 04:48:43 pm
I fully understand, Roger. Good to read that.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 13, 2017, 07:07:22 am
Great weathering Roger,  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 16, 2017, 10:21:55 pm
Iíve done more wagon weathering the last few days and made up four more Peco kits, this time the 5-plank opens. I used the Peco wagon loads Ė the ones representing crates - for a couple of them. Iíd bought the barrel loads too, but wasnít very impressed as they only seem to represent about half a barrel! Instead I used separate barrels by Faller. The tarpaulins were made from tissue paper, painted after they had been fitted to the wagon. I used Mek Pak to fix them in place, so theyíre permanent fixtures on the wagons. The Rugby Cement van was bought factory weathered and I havenít done much to it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-161017221513.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-161017221538.jpeg)

The three wagons below are also factory weathered but I have done quite a lot more to them. I washed them over with Lifecolor Weathered Black. The roofs were painted with Roof Dirt with more of the Weathered Black and some Track Dirt. The chassis didnít need much doing to them, just a few touches.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-161017221447.jpeg)

Finally I had a go at the two ex-PO wagons which seem to have taken up residence in the goods yard. To matt the bottom of the wagons I applied a thin layer of WS Scenic Glue and worked in some Humbrol Smoke powder. When that had dried I applied some more glue in places and added some Peco coal. I crushed some of the fine grade even finer for this job Ė Mr. King, the local coal merchant, doesnít like to leave behind any larger lumpsÖ

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-161017221419.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 16, 2017, 10:27:27 pm
Very nice work indeed. Thank you for these great photos.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on October 16, 2017, 10:34:38 pm
 :thankyousign: :greatpicturessign:

Lovely work Roger. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on October 17, 2017, 11:11:20 am
Mr. King, the local coal merchant, doesnít like to leave behind any larger lumpsÖ


Old King Coal is a bit pernickety, isn't he? :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 17, 2017, 11:54:46 am
Mr. King, the local coal merchant, doesnít like to leave behind any larger lumpsÖ


Old King Coal is a bit pernickety, isn't he? :D

He's certainly not a merry old soul. According to the villagers he's a mean old  :censored:.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 19, 2017, 04:12:08 pm
I've started weathering a batch of vans this week so thought I'd take a break and run some trains today. Here's 60019 Bittern emerging from the south tunnel.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-191017160740.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2017, 04:33:59 pm
Thanks for another superb photo. I look forward to seeing your weathered vans.

Can you, please, explain how you made your wagon tarpaulins?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 19, 2017, 04:59:22 pm
Thanks for another superb photo. I look forward to seeing your weathered vans.

Can you, please, explain how you made your wagon tarpaulins?


Thanks Chris.

The tarps are rectangles of tissue paper. I started by fitting a load - one of the wagons has a little plastikard 'box' and the other one has one of the Peco barrel loads that I didn't like very much. I put the tissue paper on the load and washed some Mek Pak on to fix it in place. With the wagon upside down I trimmed the paper to size. I then folded the sides down over the wagon and touched some more Mek Pak on to hold it in place. Then I tucked in the corners and cemented down the ends. I haven't attempted to represent any roping. Once the cement had dried I painted the tissue paper with a couple of shades of grey which seems to have made the paper reasonably robust. I think the corners could be improved as the real thing doesn't seem to have had the 'hospital corners' that I used but they don't look too bad.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6299-191017165759.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on October 19, 2017, 05:08:29 pm
Great stuff..
The picture of the A4 is truly superb.
And the wagons look really good. Having loads makes such a difference. And youíve made a very good job of the tarpaulin.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 19, 2017, 05:09:41 pm
Many thanks, Roger. I want to have a go at making tarpaulins but removable ones.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 19, 2017, 07:46:33 pm
Many thanks, Roger. I want to have a go at making tarpaulins but removable ones.

I wondered about trying to make removable ones. The only idea I came up with was to make a wooden block the exact size of the wagon, shape the paper around that, and use a dab of glue to hold the corners together. Then paint it while still on the block hoping that would help retain the shape. Or use dope - the stuff that plane modellers use on the tissue paper on their models. I guess it would still be pretty fragile, though, and I didn't put the idea to the test!

I'm sure someone on here has the perfect method...please...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2017, 08:38:11 pm
@paulprice (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4342) has made some good 'uns so maybe he could share his method
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on October 19, 2017, 10:18:33 pm
Masking tape can be quite good if a bit fiddly - and sticky!

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on October 20, 2017, 01:49:46 am
Then paint it while still on the block hoping that would help retain the shape. Or use dope - the stuff that plane modellers use on the tissue paper on their models. I guess it would still be pretty fragile, though, and I didn't put the idea to the test!

I think shellac ought to work - it sets pretty hard and a couple of coats on tissue paper ought to be sufficiently robust for careful handling. You can buy it in the DIY stores ready to use, often under the label 'sanding sealer'. And it will take most paints without problems, I think.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on October 20, 2017, 11:40:30 am
Roger, this thread just gets better and better! I've been following your work on your blog, Wrenton is simply a work of art and an outstanding looking layout! I'd love to see it in the flesh so please do exhibit it at some point. 8)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on October 20, 2017, 09:58:08 pm
PVA glue works as well. Put a bit of plastic between the tissue and what ever is underneath.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 21, 2017, 10:07:08 am
Thanks for all the tips. I will try some experiments with making removable wagon tarpaulins from tissue paper, later this year. I bought, from a skilled railway modeller, at least one open wagon with tarpaulins already fitted and will use that as a guide to sizes.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 21, 2017, 10:22:17 am
Useful info here: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-tarps.htm (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-tarps.htm)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 21, 2017, 10:35:08 am
Useful info here: [url]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-tarps.htm[/url] ([url]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/9-loads/9-tarps.htm[/url])


Many thanks; very useful. I may try making up an A4 sheet of BR tarpaulins, later, then.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on October 21, 2017, 05:19:34 pm
@rogerdB (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299)

Roger, can I ask you to apologise to MBH please? You see I had planned to spend today doing DIY, but after finding this thread on Monday thought I'd devote an hour to reading it in full this morning. Well an hour wasn't even close to adequate. No, I've spent nearly all day admiring your work - gazing at my screen in wonder and awe. :admiration:

Thank you for sharing your beautiful work. Each and everyone of your posts were worthy of a 'Thank You' but I didn't want to break the Forum! This thread is entertaining, educational and (once I'd moved passed feeling that my bodging was unworthy and I should give up modelling,) massively inspirational.

So I'm afraid I will have to tell MBH that it's your fault the plastering is still unfinished. Sorry! :D

 :thankyousign: :superblayout: :greatwork: :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 21, 2017, 07:05:54 pm
@rogerdB ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299[/url])

Roger, can I ask you to apologise to MBH please?

I'm so very sorry!! I was planning to do some gardening but thank goodness the weather stepped in and gave me an excuse to do some more wagon weathering, so we can all find an excuse for not getting real jobs done...

And thanks for your comments, pleased to hear that you enjoyed the thread.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on October 21, 2017, 11:59:35 pm
Opened the Case for The Defence by showing Judge MBH, Exhibit 'A' - this thread.
 :heart2: Case dismissed!  :angel: :beers:
And, bonus, I'm let off the DIY! :bounce: As long as we can move to a house exactly like this..

..
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6299-050917172718-55017423.jpeg[/url])
...

 :'( We can't.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 22, 2017, 06:48:41 pm
And, bonus, I'm let off the DIY! As long as we can move to a house exactly like this.. We can't.

But itís nice to dreamÖ

I think itís my favourite building, though I did have to position it so that the front faces the back of the layout. The original is in Finchingfield and dates from the sixteenth century, perhaps earlier. So youíd probably have DIY to do every weekend if it was yours!

At one time it served as a workhouse. A bit of history for you - the Workhouse Test Act of 1723 required anyone seeking poor relief to enter a workhouse and do a set amount of work, usually unpaid. In 1767 two churchwardens, John Beddall and Edward Myhill, undertook the task of "erecting of ye workhouse", meaning finding and equipping a suitable building. The house was rented at £7 per annum and a John Strachy was appointed to manage it, helped by his wife, and paid £1 per month. They were discharged after six months and John Atherton was appointed on different terms. He received 1/6d (7Ĺp) per head per week for the first year with at least 25 people in the house. This rose to 2/- during Atherton's days.

The terms for his successor, Thomas Moor, reduced the minimum number of inmates to 16 and he had to provide sufficient "meat, drink, washing, etc" and to "cloath out" any person taken out of the house. Later managers were Samuel Turner, John Cracknell and finally Simon Turner (possibly Samuel's son) who managed to get his remuneration increased to 3/- (15p) per person per week. A couple of years after changes to the Poor Law in 1834 the inmates were transferred to a large building in a nearby town.

In later times the building housed a butcher's shop. I assume that customers were served through the windows - note the size of the one to the left of the door. Perhaps the two dark windows were covered by shutters when the photo was taken.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-221017184335.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 25, 2017, 10:00:16 pm
Iíve been weathering more wagons, this time doing some vans. Iíve added some conflats to the train to make it look more interesting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-251017215334.jpeg)

As suggested in various books and articles about N gauge weathering, Iíve kept it simple.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-251017215418.jpeg)

I started by applying neat Lifecolor weathered black, one section of the side at a time. I wiped off most of the paint using a paper kitchen towel using vertical strokes. I find the paper easier to use than cotton buds. I then worked in a little extra thinned paint here and there, again using vertical strokes. I also picked out one or two planks with Lifecolor frame dirt or one of the weathered wood colours.

I used their roof dirt colour on the roofs, with other colours blended in. The chassis are painted with weathered black and rust base colour, mixed on the model so that the colour varies slightly from area to area. Other rust colours were applied in small touches when the first application had dried.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-251017215400.jpeg)

The vans meet the coal train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-251017215448.jpeg)

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on October 25, 2017, 10:03:05 pm
Brilliant!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 26, 2017, 09:45:43 am
Superb work; truly realistic. Many thanks for these photos. and the detailed explanation. I must try some goods stock weathering.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on October 26, 2017, 09:55:37 am
You must have MRJ breathing down your neck!  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on October 26, 2017, 10:22:42 am
Can't get enough of these superb photos.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 28, 2017, 10:19:12 pm
Today I photographed the coal train again, this time as it passes the platforms. Can't decide which of two crops is best, so here are both of them so you can make your own choice!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-281017221512.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-281017221539.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 28, 2017, 10:53:06 pm
Great photo's. Thanks for sharing.  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 28, 2017, 11:02:47 pm
Although both photos. are superb, my favourite is the second one with the close-up of the highly life-like train.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RicardoFig on October 28, 2017, 11:06:35 pm
Allways a pleasure to see a new update on this topic.  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on October 28, 2017, 11:08:13 pm
The first for me. I like the openness of it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Yet_Another on October 29, 2017, 09:25:16 am
I prefer the first: it shows the scenery more effectively, which is undoubtedly a good thing.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on October 29, 2017, 09:55:22 am
My preference is for the second as it brings things closer and thus the far end of the platform is shown better.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on October 29, 2017, 11:05:44 am
Both photos are exceptional like all the pictures of this layout but it's definitely the second for me.

The loco is more prominent but the overall composition is more pleasing to the eye as it adheres more to the "rule of thirds".

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on October 29, 2017, 03:48:33 pm
Thank you for these two stunning photographs. It's a difficult (and very personal) choice, but I prefer the composition of the second.   The red car in the top-right of the first photograph tends to draw my eye away from the centre of the picture.

Thanks again for these pictures of your superb layout.  :greatpicturessign:

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on October 29, 2017, 06:50:38 pm
Both are lovely photographs but I opt for the top one.
I think the top one is a better overall cmposition. In the lowert one the platform ends (particularly left as we look) tend to dominate and attract the eye.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on October 29, 2017, 09:21:58 pm
Good photos there and I simply can not choose between them, keep them coming, very inspiring layout.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on October 31, 2017, 08:16:48 pm
Thanks for the comments about the two versions of the photo. The tighter crop only just wins, so hardly surprising I couldn't choose between them myself!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on November 01, 2017, 12:30:50 pm
I've just speed read through the thread and your work is absolutely amazing and when I have time later will read it in full at leisure. I have just reached the scenic stage of my first ever layout which I am using as a learning exercise and I am left in awe after seeing what you have achieved.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 01, 2017, 02:19:40 pm
I've just speed read through the thread and your work is absolutely amazing and when I have time later will read it in full at leisure. I have just reached the scenic stage of my first ever layout which I am using as a learning exercise and I am left in awe after seeing what you have achieved.

Thanks for that. As you may have realised from my layout, the scenic work was the bit I most enjoyed so good luck with your project. And let's see some pictures soon.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 01, 2017, 02:26:38 pm
I've been trying to find places on the layout where I can put the camera down at ground level. The recent shot looking along the tracks was taken at great risk to the signal box which someone had put right in the way...

But I did find a spot looking along the road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-011117142209.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on November 01, 2017, 02:33:28 pm
Excellent Roger.
Keep them coming. You are truly an inspiration to us mere mortals.
Dennis.
 :admiration:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on November 01, 2017, 02:49:22 pm
Ah - the good old days when not many folks had a car :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PhilD on November 02, 2017, 08:44:04 am
Absolute bludy magic!

Well done Roger!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on November 02, 2017, 08:56:52 am
Hard to believe that last photograph is a photo of a model and not an old photo of a real location!!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Candy Apple Head on November 02, 2017, 09:36:30 am
Hard to believe that last photograph is a photo of a model and not an old photo of a real location!!

Just what I was thinking...I mean look at the roof tiles and the flowers and bushes at the front of that house in front. It looks more realistic than most 00/4mm layouts.

If anyone ever says N gauge is too small to look lifelike enough they should be shown this layout.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on November 02, 2017, 09:47:24 am
Hard to believe that last photograph is a photo of a model and not an old photo of a real location!!

Just what I was thinking...I mean look at the roof tiles and the flowers and bushes at the front of that house in front. It looks more realistic than most 00/4mm layouts.

If anyone ever says N gauge is too small to look lifelike enough they should be shown this layout.

I couldn't agree more.  I was particularly impressed by the positioning of the excellent figures which is difficult to get right in any scale.

Paradoxically, perhaps, I think 'N' gauge often looks more realistic than the larger scales!  This wonderful layout is a marvellous example of that notion.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 02, 2017, 02:44:46 pm
Hard to believe that last photograph is a photo of a model and not an old photo of a real location!!

Well there is this old postcard...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-021117144350.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: maridunian on November 02, 2017, 06:10:23 pm
I've been trying to find places on the layout where I can put the camera down at ground level.

Brilliant - perfect lighting and shadows, plus your modelling skills make this so realistic!

Depending on your camera, one of  these (https://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Digital-Cameras-Attaches-Threaded/dp/B000F49052) might do the trick. If it's a phone, then a 'selfie stick' could help; for things in-between, maybe a little mirror at 45'?

Anyway, thank you for sharing these inspiring images!

Mike
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 02, 2017, 06:35:07 pm
Quote
Depending on your camera, one of  these (https://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Digital-Cameras-Attaches-Threaded/dp/B000F49052) might do the trick. If it's a phone, then a 'selfie stick' could help; for things in-between, maybe a little mirror at 45'?

Thanks Mike, yes I'd looked at that 'lens' as a possible solution, though it would need a stepping ring to fit my camera. I also doubt that I could hold the camera sufficiently still while I adjust the focus - I use focus stacking to get the depth of field I want, taking up to six or seven shots for each picture. So I'm thinking about making up something using a small mirror as you suggest - but so far only thinking about it!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 04, 2017, 07:19:57 am
 Hi Roger, great realism and thank you for the photographic insight.

   :helpneededsign:  Can I ask what material you have used for the road surface? Some use card, others fine sandpaper. From the realism in your photos do you use fine tarmac?  :hmmm:  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2017, 09:23:56 am
Another question, please. Do you use static grass? If so, which and do you have any tips as I'm planning to try it on the railway embankment at the front of my layout, Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: dats475 on November 04, 2017, 10:25:38 am
Wow!! What a great modelling skills and photography!!

Houses are slightly off angles each other due to the road angle! Brilliant!!
Nice roadside grasses too.

Trees behind of houses have an outstanding effect!!
The perfection!!

Dats
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 04, 2017, 11:48:53 am
Can I ask what material you have used for the road surface? Some use card, others fine sandpaper. From the realism in your photos do you use fine tarmac?

Hi Keith. The roads are just Polyfilla, applied at the time I plaster over the whole scenic area. Have a look at page 5 of this thread where there are some photos of how I built up the slopes. Most of the scenic area is covered with a layer of filler, then plaster cloth and then a smoothing coat of filler. In the roads, though, I omit the plaster cloth. I'm not great at getting plaster nice and smooth so it took one or two extra skims to get it looking good. Once dry I gave the plaster a spray, grey in the road areas. Then I added further coats of paint using several different shades of grey - sampler pots from the DIY store - mixing the colours on the model and blending them together. Finally some drybrushing in a few areas. I think varying the colour slightly looks more realistic than using just one throughout.

On an existing layout I'd probably go for a thin card or thick paper. I'm not convinced that reasonably modern roads have the sort of texture that sandpaper would represent, though I admit the ones round here are getting a bit bumpy!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 04, 2017, 12:10:32 pm
Another question, please. Do you use static grass? If so, which and do you have any tips as I'm planning to try it on the railway embankment at the front of my layout, Cant Cove.

Hi Chris. Yes, static grass everywhere! I wish it had been around when I last tried building a layout (1960s - ouch!). Most of it is War World Scenics but there's a little bit of Noch here and there. As with painting roads, I think it's important not to use the same colour all over an area. I've avoided using the spring colours and only used the summer ones mixed with some autumn colours. Their patchy mix is quite useful, too. I've used Gaugemaster glue most of the time, but have also used the WWS stuff. Also the latter's layering spray for adding longer or differenly coloured patches. I usually make a paper mask when using the spray adhesive so that I can control the area that I want to cover. I use 1mm length in cared-for situations (mostly the gardens, of course) and 2mm as the norm elsewhere but with some 4mm here and there (along that fence in the village photo for example) and even a few small areas of 6mm.

There are some step by step videos on the WWS web site (http://www.war-world.co.uk/ (http://www.war-world.co.uk/)) and loads more on YouTube.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 04, 2017, 12:14:17 pm
Houses are slightly off angles each other due to the road angle! Brilliant!!

Thanks Dats - Yes, I do hate straight lines!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 04, 2017, 10:21:30 pm
Many thanks, Roger, for the detailed static grass info. I'll definitely give it a try, then, as described, but later, as I have too much else to do.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 05, 2017, 10:13:13 am
Thank you Roger, very helpful. That is a similar technique to how I have constructed the roads in my quarry. I wasnít too worried about the road surface quality there and was interested to see you had achieved such realism on Wrenton. Looks like I need to keep on practicing.....  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 05, 2017, 11:16:14 am
Time for another village photo. Enjoy!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-051117111405.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on November 05, 2017, 11:32:04 am
This is N Gauge modelling at it's very best, I almost feel like I know this place. :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jerry Howlett on November 05, 2017, 12:41:25 pm
 :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:

WOW!!

Jerry
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on November 05, 2017, 01:31:03 pm
Really lovely!

Add a couple of cyclists rolling down the hill towards you and you'd think it was full size.

Amazing work.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: sp1 on November 05, 2017, 01:42:33 pm
That is easily the best photo I think Iíve seen of an N scale model!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 05, 2017, 02:13:07 pm
Add a couple of cyclists rolling down the hill towards you and you'd think it was full size.

That's a good idea Dave. I've got three Faller cyclists in the 'to be used' box. I want to do a bit of work on the road first as it has a slight sheen that I'd like to get rid of. Not noticeable in photos, fortunately.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 05, 2017, 11:42:09 pm
Another view of the same corner of the village seen in the previous shot, this time we're looking up the hill.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-051117233908.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on November 05, 2017, 11:46:37 pm
Knock out modelling Roger.

 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on November 06, 2017, 05:43:37 am
Like many, have just burned a few hours catching up on your thread, superb modelling and photography as well as all the explanations and hints along the way.  Lots of food for thought and inspiration.

Was intrigued by your comment about depth of field layering using 6 or 7 shots, can you elaborate on that?

Cheers,
Andrew
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 06, 2017, 05:51:36 am
Really cool. I have always considered Chee Tor and Copenhagen Fields to be the best of 2mm scale modelling, but I think you have surpassed both.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on November 06, 2017, 09:54:41 am
Another superb picture,superb modelling.

Andrew it's a technique where you take several shots of the same view but focus on different points,then in Photoshop or something similar join all the shots together. You then end up with a pic where it is all in focus,eliminating the depth of field you normally get in a picture.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 06, 2017, 10:45:56 am
Was intrigued by your comment about depth of field layering using 6 or 7 shots, can you elaborate on that?


Thanks Andrew. Chris has explained the method nice and concisely, but in case you'd like a little more detail, here goes...

The technique is called focus stacking. Youíll find plenty of information online, include some videos on YouTube. But basically the method is to first put the camera on a solid support Ė usually a tripod but for some shots the camera is sitting on the layout and held in place with bits of Blutak. Then a series of photos is taken, focussing first on the nearest object that needs to be sharp and then a bit further back and so on. Here are three shots showing the result. I actually took five for this picture.

Foreground cottage in focus in this one:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-061117103809.jpeg)

Second cottage in the next:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-061117103830.jpeg)

More distant buildings in this one:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-061117103852.jpeg)

These are then imported into an image editor such as Photoshop, each photo on a different layer. If youíre not familiar with the layers concept imagine a stack of three (or more) photos which can be edited individually and then combined into one final picture.

Photoshop aligns the images to correct any small movements of the camera. Recent versions of the professional version can perform the next job automatically and I think there are some stand alone programs that can too. But I do it by hand.

On the top layer, the one with the closest area in focus, I erase all the areas that arenít in focus, revealing the second layer beneath it. Similarly areas are erased from the second layer revealing the third. As I mentioned, some shots require six or seven layers so itís quite a lengthy job.

Once a reasonable result has been achieved the layers are combined into a single image which can then have any further editing done on it, such as cropping and correcting the tonal range. In this picture you can see the sky area is a problem. The darker blue area is the layoutís scenic backdrop, the lighter blue is a length of painted board I keep for this job. I can usually blend the two together but for this image I decided to substitute a real sky. A cheat Iíve only used a couple of times before! I do only minimal retouching as I donít want to make the models look better than they really are.

I know some people donít like this technique and prefer to see parts of the picture out of focus. But I like the result and think itís worth the considerable extra time and effort involved.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on November 06, 2017, 10:49:59 am
Thanks Chris & Roger for the very detailed descriptions, I played around with layers a few years back on photoshop when I was much more involved with photography, but had not gone to that level.  the results are certainly well worth the effort.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 06, 2017, 10:50:59 am
Really cool. I have always considered Chee Tor and Copenhagen Fields to be the best of 2mm scale modelling, but I think you have surpassed both.

Thanks George, high praise indeed! I knew Copenhagen Fields but not Chee Tor. Just found some photos online and it sure looks impressive! Hope your local wild life is behaving properly...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 06, 2017, 10:56:20 am
Ha ha, no, but more of that on the Beal thread later!  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Trev on November 06, 2017, 05:59:54 pm
Can I ask what the benifit of image staking and all the time in Photoshop is when compared to taking one photo with the apature on the camera set as low as possible and a long exposure with the camera on some sort of stable base / tripod?

My son had been doing the image stacking thing when he photographed some wargaming models he'd painted. I showed him how to overide Auto on his camera and to set it on manual or apature priority and acheaive the same result in one shot.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 06, 2017, 07:00:44 pm
Can I ask what the benifit of image staking and all the time in Photoshop is when compared to taking one photo with the apature on the camera set as low as possible and a long exposure with the camera on some sort of stable base / tripod?

Actually I always shoot with the lens set to f/22 so the individual shots in the earlier post show the result of closing the lens down as far as it will go - still nowhere near enough of the subject in focus.

I guess your son's models didn't require as great a depth of field as a railway layout. When I shoot down the length of the baseboard the nearest part of the model may be only 18 inches away from the camera and the furthest part perhaps 10 or 12 feet. No chance of getting that range all in focus.

I think you'll find that most of the photos in the model mags are shot with focus stacking. In fact some time back the BRM cover disc included a demo of the technique!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on November 06, 2017, 09:36:24 pm
It occurs to me that this is not a railway layout at all,but  a very splendid model of a village that happens to have a railway running by it. There's no need for gimmicks,no house fires,weddings,car crashes,flashing road crossing beacons,welding effects or windmills with sails spinning,just high quality modelling....and some rather excellent trains.  (Puts tin helmet on and runs for shelter). :worried:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 06, 2017, 09:38:09 pm
It occurs to me that this is not a railway layout at all,but  a very splendid model of a village that happens to have a railway running by it.

Thanks - exactly my intention!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 08, 2017, 02:30:27 pm
I've painted and assembled more Peco wagon kits. A couple each of the tarpaulin wagons, plate wagons and five and seven plank opens. They've been added to a short train shown in an earlier post to make it up to a reasonable length. I'll try to do some closer views of some of the wagons when I next get the lights and camera in action.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-081117142511.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 09, 2017, 10:35:46 pm
Here are a couple of closer views of the wagons in the previous photo. The opens with tarpaulins were described in an earlier post. After them are three opens with Peco wagon loads. To avoid having each load looking the same I cut one in half and swapped the two parts around.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-091117222630.jpeg)

A couple of tarpaulin wagons made from Peco kits come next. As with the opens the tarps are made from tissue paper. I coated the paper with PVA before painting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6299-091117222653.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on November 10, 2017, 12:10:25 am
Looking good there, I need to make some of those tarpaulin wagons, mind you there is a lot I need to do especially too catch up to your standard of modeling.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mitch99 on November 10, 2017, 09:22:44 pm
Wonderful modelling, some of the pictures could be the real thing. The village scene is particularly inspiring, if I can achieve something one tenth as good Iíll be a happy man! Thank your for sharing you layout
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on November 11, 2017, 12:39:56 pm
Hi Roger,
Tarps look great. To save anyone searching for the Tarp thread method it is described by Roger on Page 15.

 :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 12, 2017, 08:00:15 pm
Here are  a couple more photos to show more of the train shown in my last post. First a couple of plate wagons, built from Peco kits.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-121117195538.jpeg)

The plates are a couple of pieces of 20thou plastikard for each wagon and the chains were made by tightly twisting together a couple of strands pulled from a piece of hook-up wire.

Three loaded opens come next.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-121117195604.jpeg)

The first wagon has a load of pallets, the second has some Faller barrels and the third carries some large timbers Ė matchsticks! A Peco kit built, and rather tired looking, brake van complete the train.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on November 12, 2017, 09:19:26 pm
Not being pedantic, but do you know when pallets were first introduced?
I'm sorry, I've run out of superlatives for you layout. Just great.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on November 12, 2017, 09:27:37 pm
..
 do you know when pallets were first introduced?
...

They've been around since the 1st millennium BC if not earlier.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on November 12, 2017, 09:41:33 pm
..
 do you know when pallets were first introduced?
...

They've been around since the 1st millennium BC if not earlier.

I wondered why mine were so rotten. :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 12, 2017, 10:36:16 pm
Not being pedantic, but do you know when pallets were first introduced?

According to https://www.1001pallets.com/the-history-of-pallets/ (https://www.1001pallets.com/the-history-of-pallets/) what we think of as a pallet dates from the 1920s with the invention of the forklift truck.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: pape_timmo on November 12, 2017, 11:11:55 pm
You learn something new every day. Didn't know that about pallets.

Such excellent modelling on this layout, it all looks so real. Hugely impressed.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 13, 2017, 08:07:38 am
..
 do you know when pallets were first introduced?
...

They've been around since the 1st millennium BC if not earlier.

I think itís earlier. How else did they deliver the materials to build the pyramids?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on November 13, 2017, 08:58:24 am
 :offtopicsign: The pyramids, Stonehenge and the Inca buildings were probably built using what were known as skids, which would have been sledge-like objects.  The Pallet website stated that pallets, which were specifically designed for the new-fangled fork lift trucks, where develpoed from skids: "Boards were fastened to stringers to create a platform for the product to sit on and a space underneath that could easily accommodate the prongs of the forkliftí. In 1925, bottom planks were added to the design. This addition led to the concept of stacking, which allowed goods to be moved, stored and stacked with extraordinary speed and versatility."
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 13, 2017, 09:27:13 am
:offtopicsign: The pyramids, Stonehenge and the Inca buildings were probably built using what were known as skids, which would have been sledge-like objects. 

Got there before me, Laurence! In books about Egypt they usually use the word sledge and the shape is often used symbolically in items which would never be dragged - see for example a photo of the container of Tutankhamun's canopic jars http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/cairo%20museum/cm,%20tutankhamun,%20burial/pages/tutankhamun%27s%20canopic%20jars%202.htm. (http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/cairo%20museum/cm,%20tutankhamun,%20burial/pages/tutankhamun%27s%20canopic%20jars%202.htm.) A common theory relating to pyramid construction is that they built trackways of hardcore and railway-like sleepers covered with mud. It's then not too difficult, they say, to drag large stones along without any sledge, or pallet. Though I'd prefer not to try! Even more off topic, sorry...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 13, 2017, 01:35:12 pm
..
 do you know when pallets were first introduced?
...

They've been around since the 1st millennium BC if not earlier.

I think itís earlier. How else did they deliver the materials to build the pyramids?  :hmmm:

 :sorrysign: Roger, only joking. Iíll slink off down the drain now and stop the thread hijack.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 13, 2017, 02:13:46 pm
No problem Keith! But getting back on topic - I tried taking some more photos of the village buildings over the weekend. Here's the cottage that I showed being built on http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0.)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-131117140810.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on November 13, 2017, 02:57:02 pm
Roger,
Nothing short of amazing. You may have already stated this, but how long would you reckon it would take you from having printed/cut out the cottage to actually fitting it into place on the layout?
Cheers Dennis.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 13, 2017, 03:46:24 pm
Roger,
Nothing short of amazing. You may have already stated this, but how long would you reckon it would take you from having printed/cut out the cottage to actually fitting it into place on the layout?
Cheers Dennis.

Thanks Dennis. It obviously varies from building to building and I don't rush the job. I tend to do somewhere between two and four hours a day. For this little cottage I guess about three hours doing the drawings. Next day I'll do the cutting and assembling the walls. For a building like this with a painted finish probably two to three hours work, but one with a brick, i.e. printed, finish might take a bit longer. The chimney stack and roof structure the next day, then covering it with tile or slate paper might need another day. I'd hopefully do any painting that day, too. And one more day for details - gutters, down pipes, etc.

I think my diary would show some buildings taking a month - the Guildhall comes to mind as a particularly tricky one. The longest jobs were the station buildings and the church. I worked on drawings for the latter for weeks, in odd moments. The actual construction took seven weeks, and I think some of the days during that project were rather more than four hours.

Thank goodness for retirement!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 15, 2017, 02:05:01 pm
Not making much progress at present, so here's another picture of a village building. Hope your screen isn't too large as this is being pretty cruel to an N gauge model!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-151117140156.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on November 15, 2017, 02:21:56 pm
Very nice. What did you use for your net curtains?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 15, 2017, 02:37:02 pm
Very nice. What did you use for your net curtains?

I cheat! See http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.0) for the details.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mika on November 16, 2017, 08:51:53 am
Hope your screen isn't too large as this is being pretty cruel to an N gauge model!

Really? You could have that enlarged to poster size and it would still look great!

Keep up your amazing work.
Thanks for sharing.

Michael
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 19, 2017, 10:54:03 pm
Back a few pages (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg472821#msg472821 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg472821#msg472821)) I mentioned that I was looking for places where a camera could be put down at ground level and the idea of making a sort of inverted periscope seemed worth a try. Iíve finally got round to making one. Itís not hugely successful but hereís a test shot I made to try it out.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-191117224336.jpeg)

I used mostly 60 thou plastikard to make the box.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-191117224443.jpeg)

Its footprint is about 55mm square and it stands about 85mm high. A hole is cut in the top part to be a tight fit for the camera lens barrel. In order to get a nice circle I used the Portrait cutting machine, cutting three pieces from 20 thou and cementing them together. A second Ďtopí sits about 15mm below the first, also cut as a tight fit for the lens. This gives some stability to the camera. The mirror itself sits on a piece of plastikard set at 45 degrees to the horizontal. By some fluke I managed to cut the mirror to exactly the right width so that itís a tight fit and doesnít need to be glued in place.

Hereís the camera sitting on the box.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-191117224508.jpeg)

It does feel rather dangerous handling the camera like this Ė the thought of the damage it could do if it topples over is worrying, though Iíve found that using some Blutak around the box helps. Itís also rather difficult to see the image on the display if the camera isnít near the front of the layout. The biggest problem, though, is the faint second image caused by the mirror. If you look at the test shot you can see it under the loop of wire in the fence in the left foreground. Still, better than nothing, and built at little cost.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 19, 2017, 11:00:23 pm
Excellent!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on November 19, 2017, 11:14:51 pm
Very clever solution Roger. :thumbsup:

..
 The biggest problem, though, is the faint second image caused by the mirror.
...

I don't know the quality of your mirror, but might a better quality mirror help there?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 19, 2017, 11:36:10 pm
I don't know the quality of your mirror, but might a better quality mirror help there?

I've long since forgotten any knowledge of such things that I once had, but I wonder if the double image is, first, the wanted reflection from the silvered rear surface of the mirror and, second, an unwanted one from the front surface. Perhaps the problem is unavoidable - but I'm happy to be corrected!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on November 19, 2017, 11:42:47 pm
I don't know the quality of your mirror, but might a better quality mirror help there?

I've long since forgotten any knowledge of such things that I once had, but I wonder if the double image is, first, the wanted reflection from the silvered rear surface of the mirror and, second, an unwanted one from the front surface. Perhaps the problem is unavoidable - but I'm happy to be corrected!

 ;D Sounds like you've forgotten more than I know. :dunce:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Zogbert Splod on November 19, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
I don't know the quality of your mirror, but might a better quality mirror help there?

I've long since forgotten any knowledge of such things that I once had, but I wonder if the double image is, first, the wanted reflection from the silvered rear surface of the mirror and, second, an unwanted one from the front surface. Perhaps the problem is unavoidable - but I'm happy to be corrected!
You are not wrong there.  The way to get around it is to use a front silvered mirror.  They are available but expensive for a quality one and tend to be delicate to handle.  Mirrors with low or non-reflective glass are also available.  You could look around for an optical instrument makers web site possibly?  But, with all that said, the result that you got is excellent!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: MalcolmAL on November 20, 2017, 12:23:16 am
Astronomical telescopes have front surface mirrors, and in Newtonians the secondary mirror is used to turn the light path through 90deg, I wonder if they can be bought as spares ? They come in various sizes to match the diameter of the primary.

Also "star diagonals" 45deg or 90deg are used to turn the lightpath to a more comfortable angle for the eyepiece and I think cameras are sometimes attached to them ( though more usually the camera is attached more directly to the drawtube)
The star diagonals come in two sizes 1.25" and 2", the latter to fit the 'up-market' eyepieces.
Vignetting might be a problem though in front of the lens ?

there is currently on Astroboot a 1.25 diagonal for £6.50 and the mirror from a 2" for £20 http://www.astroboot.co.uk/ (http://www.astroboot.co.uk/)

Just a couple for example, there should be other places to buy, which  may come to my mind the moment after I press Post  ! :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on November 20, 2017, 06:36:40 am
I've enlarged the image and I can't see any sign of a double image anywhere.  It looks absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on November 20, 2017, 06:43:36 am
Nice picture and the quality is certainly more than acceptable.

Handy info though on the mirror options.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 20, 2017, 06:47:13 am
Yep, same here. Looks as good as all the other excellent pics to me.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on November 20, 2017, 09:44:34 am
Exquisite work Roger. They look so lifelike its a credit to your modelling and photographic skills. A real please to view.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: pape_timmo on November 20, 2017, 06:53:32 pm
If you hadnít mentioned the double image and Iíd zoomed in to see it, I certainly wouldnít have found it, let alone noticed. Excellent work and brilliant photography.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on November 20, 2017, 09:08:30 pm
An excellent and ingenious solution. As above the double image is caused by the internal reflection of the mirror. Do you focus manually?  I read somewhere that if the camera focuses automatically it can focus on the mirror not the image.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 20, 2017, 10:18:13 pm
Thanks for all the comments and information. It seems that the result is acceptable so when I have time I'll try some more pics with my little black box as it is, rather than hunting for alternative mirrors.

I think the star diagonals would cause vignetting. My box has that problem, but only at the wide angle end of the zoom. Unfortunately it's the wide angle settings that are most often needed!

It is necessary to use manual focus, but I use focus stacking (which I mention here: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg473396#msg473396 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg473396#msg473396)) and my camera doesn't do that automatically. So I have to use manual focus anyway.

And here's a close up of part of the original image, cropped slightly lower than the version I used. The arrows point to the most obvious shadow images. I'm puzzled by the effect either side of the road marking to the left of the picture.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-201117220207.jpeg)

Doesn't this hobby take one down strange avenues?!...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: NinOz on November 21, 2017, 01:02:51 am
And here's a close up of part of the original image, cropped slightly lower than the version I used. The arrows point to the most obvious shadow images. I'm puzzled by the effect either side of the road marking to the left of the picture.
Looks like the ghosts of previous road markings.  I thought they were due to attention to extreme detail. :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: MalcolmAL on November 21, 2017, 04:11:06 am
I think the star diagonals would cause vignetting. My box has that problem, but only at the wide angle end of the zoom. Unfortunately it's the wide angle settings that are most often needed!

but I use focus stacking
Ah ! ok !! that is a bit of a kettle of fish !
If it were a prime lens you could try wide open on the internal iris and use a front aperture (to define your exposure and f/ratio) and limit your need of a wide mirror

ont'her hand therwas a time when one could use acetone to remove the back coat of a fragment of mirror, if one were lucky one would obtain a suitable portion of front :)

Re focus stack : I did espouse this technique 3/4 year ago on this very forum but was well-told that models should be obviously that ! ie. fuzzy in the front, fuzzy at the back, such that the detail was sharply in focus.
To emulate a sunny sea-side f/32 excursion buffer beam to guards van was not considered de-rigueur ! :) I didnt persue.



Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on November 21, 2017, 06:31:36 am
Now that you've pointed it out, I can see there are actually two ghost images, one below the main image and one above.  But, they are both so faint that I don't think anyone will notice without being told.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 21, 2017, 06:43:57 am
I agree. Fantastic stuff, regardless of double images!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on November 21, 2017, 07:32:43 am
An interesting side-topic.

Unless the problem really annoys you, Roger, I wouldn't let it distract you too much from your excellent modelling.

Keep the photos coming!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 21, 2017, 08:46:18 am
Dave yeah!  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 21, 2017, 12:07:21 pm
Looks like the ghosts of previous road markings.  I thought they were due to attention to extreme detail. :)

Now why didnít I think of that!


Re focus stack : I did espouse this technique 3/4 year ago on this very forum but was well-told that models should be obviously that ! ie. fuzzy in the front, fuzzy at the back, such that the detail was sharply in focus.
To emulate a sunny sea-side f/32 excursion buffer beam to guards van was not considered de-rigueur ! :) I didnt persue.

I think you can tell whose side Iím on in that debate. I think a fuzzy-sharp-fuzzy image immediately says Ďthis is a model.í As usual it pays to study the prototypes. In this case the prototypes are photos of real railway scenes in the steam age. In so many of them everything is sharp, from foreground details to distant skyline. Thatís the look I try to achieve.

But just to prove that I can let the background be less than sharp, hereís my latest bit of wagon weathering.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-211117120336.jpeg)

They were bought as a factory weathered set. Iíve come to the conclusion that itís a lot easier to weather mint models than those with rather unconvincing factory weathering and I had to tone down the rust effects on these three.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: ijmsmith on November 21, 2017, 05:25:07 pm
The slight ghosting is due to the thickness of the glass with the silver behind. It can only be alleviated by using a front surface silvered mirror. These seem to be quite tricky to get hold of - usually only available from specialist optical suppliers. There was an in depth article a few years ago in Model Railroader about using mirrors to disguise parts of you layout. Anyway I wouldn't have spotted it without the previous eagle eyed posters... I think your bridge looks fab!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: MinZaPint on November 22, 2017, 11:18:18 am
Your layout and photography are brilliant, just keep posting  :wonderfulmodelling:  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 25, 2017, 09:58:08 pm
A couple more photos of village buildings and villagers. I generally like to use figures in stationary poses, so there are several instances on the layout of a couple of people having a chat.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-181117200532.jpeg)

But sometimes a walking figure appears. One man and his dog...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-251117215055.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Tank on November 25, 2017, 10:11:48 pm
Keep up the great work.  Wonderful!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on November 25, 2017, 10:12:47 pm
Splendid!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 27, 2017, 10:01:28 pm
So far Wrenton has only got one signal, built from a Ratio LMS single post kit. I needed a bracket signal and decided to try to make one using parts from a couple more kits which were tucked away in the Ďto be usedí box. Iím sure that using etched components would produce a finer model, but I like my plastikardÖ

I based the signal on a photo I found in a book, but changed things a bit. The picture shows two views of the model.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-271117215918.jpeg)

The posts are 60thou square strip and the platform is built up with 20thou parts. The supporting bracket was cut using the Silhouette Portrait machine. The handrails are 20thou plastic rod. The other parts were from the kits, including the lamps which I cut off the original posts.

Since taking the photos Iíve painted and installed the signal on the layout. Photos to follow in due course.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 29, 2017, 11:29:26 am
Photos of the signal in place, as promised.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-291117112805.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-291117112740.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on November 29, 2017, 02:09:07 pm
Pictures like these make my day, brilliant !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on November 29, 2017, 02:13:22 pm
Really lovely pictures and great modelling.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on November 29, 2017, 04:11:10 pm
Hi Roger,
The signal you have scratch-built is amazing. I am blown-away by your skills.
Excellent modelling.
Dennis.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on November 29, 2017, 06:46:40 pm
Those pics and indeed the whole layout is just stunning. :goggleeyes:  :thumbsup: :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 30, 2017, 07:38:36 am
Great work Roger,  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on November 30, 2017, 08:02:10 am
Photos of the signal in place, as promised.

Hello Roger,

My computer says 'Thank you for this post is locked' (I've never seen that message before).

I'm not going to be defeated in showing my appreciation by a box, so...

 :thankyousign:  :wonderfulmodelling:  :greatpicturessign:

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on November 30, 2017, 08:10:47 am
Yes, for some unknown reason, thank you's to that post were locked.

Now unlocked.  :thumbsup:

Dunno what happened, but please accept apologies from the team.  :beers:

George
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on November 30, 2017, 09:08:06 am
Dare I make a suggestion ? Looking back at the photo's on this thread,( I do this almost daily for inspiration) I think pictures with loco's in them would benefit by the removal of the front coupling,they are a bit of an eyesore in my opinion, its easy enough to pop them out for photographic purposes.Personally all my loco's only have one coupling,(except shunters), I simply change ends if I fancy running tender first.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on November 30, 2017, 12:38:15 pm
My computer says 'Thank you for this post is locked' (I've never seen that message before).
I'm not going to be defeated in showing my appreciation by a box, so...
John

Thanks John, I noticed that at bedtime last night and wondered how it happened. So thanks for yours and other thank yous by whatever means they were posted!

Now unlocked.  :thumbsup:
George

Thanks George.

Dare I make a suggestion ? Looking back at the photo's on this thread,( I do this almost daily for inspiration) I think pictures with loco's in them would benefit by the removal of the front coupling,they are a bit of an eyesore in my opinion, its easy enough to pop them out for photographic purposes.Personally all my loco's only have one coupling,(except shunters), I simply change ends if I fancy running tender first.

I agree, I've always thought the couplings are horrible. I have, in fact, started removing the front ones from the locos - the B17 in the two recent photos is done and I'm sure that one earlier post had a loco sans coupling. Will try to remember to do the lot as their turn comes for posing for the camera!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 02, 2017, 11:31:19 pm
I've made a couple more signals. You'll have to look closely to spot one of them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-021217232744.jpeg)

A Ratio kit provides the down home signal and a ground signal controls the exit from the refuge siding, where a Midland 4F waits for an A4 to pass by.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on December 02, 2017, 11:37:45 pm
That's great! Does the ground signal work, Roger, or cosmetic?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on December 02, 2017, 11:39:47 pm
Another nice pic, I have two 4f's which I plan on weathering eventually has well has renumbering. Have you thought of changing the couplings to another type. I plan on doing some shunting so I am planning on using D&G couplings or B&B couplings which are slightly easier to build, both look better than the standard rapido coupling and less intrusive.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on December 03, 2017, 08:46:23 am
Thank you, Roger, for another excellent* photograph.

The signals are splendid, particularly the little 'Tommy Dot'.

All best wishes.

John

* Sorry; I am running out of superlatives to describe your modelling and photography.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 03, 2017, 09:04:58 am
Truly inspiring work, thank you.  :goggleeyes: :o :goggleeyes: :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on December 03, 2017, 10:12:19 am
Mmmmm... more eye candy  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 03, 2017, 09:39:44 pm
That's great! Does the ground signal work, Roger, or cosmetic?  :thumbsup:

I think we need a 'tongue in cheek' emoji for questions like that, George!! None of the signals are working - perhaps a project for the future. Making the non-working ground signals was fiddly enough, and they're very crude. A bit of 40thou square plastikard for the post. A 2.5mm length of 30thou rod with the top rounded off to suggest the lamp. A 2.5mm diameter disc of 10thou cut in the Silhouette machine. And an operating lever cut from 20thou. The one in the photo is actually 10thou, but I thought it's too fragile and switched to 20thou for this batch. I made more than I needed so that I could chose the best ones to put on the layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-031217212744.jpeg)

Another nice pic, I have two 4f's which I plan on weathering eventually has well has renumbering. Have you thought of changing the couplings to another type. I plan on doing some shunting so I am planning on using D&G couplings or B&B couplings which are slightly easier to build, both look better than the standard rapido coupling and less intrusive.

I haven't summoned up enough courage to weather a loco yet, Chris. So the 4F was bought from TMC and weathered by them. I've been happy with all the locos I've had from them.

I have thought about using different couplings on a few wagons so that some shunting could be done in the goods yard. All the options look a bit fiddly, though, so perhaps another job that's going to be put on hold for a while!

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 06, 2017, 10:38:03 pm
A bit more weathering done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6299-061217223018.jpeg)

Like the cattle wagons this was a set of three factory weathered models. I reduced the rust colour on the chassis with some washes of roof dirt and weathered black and added some sleeper grime, frame and roof dirt to the tanks.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 10, 2017, 11:03:01 pm
This afternoon's photo.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-101217225940.jpeg)

A train of vans and conflats waits for a passenger train to pass on the down line. Meanwhile a J39 with a short mixed goods train waits for the up passenger train to pass. So, question. Should there be another signal controlling the up main beside the B17 and where the exit from the goods loop joins the main line? Or would that junction be controlled by the starter signal at the end of the platform, just out of shot to the left.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on December 11, 2017, 07:04:20 am
Great picture, Roger.

Can't answer your signal question but you can be sure someone who can will be along shortly.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on December 11, 2017, 08:26:57 am
As ever , truly inspiring modelling.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on December 11, 2017, 09:07:12 am
Another cracking, ultra realistic photo Roger. Superb stuff. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on December 11, 2017, 09:08:45 am
A brilliant picture, Roger.  Thank you for posting it.

With regard to your signal question:-

I presume that you mean a stop signal on the Up Main, sort of beside the crossover to the Up Goods Loop.

The idea being to stop a train on the Up Main to allow a movement out from the Up Loop.  This might not appear likely, but unusual movements can occur and the interlocking can be arranged for these.

In traditional GB semaphore practice, the overlap beyond a stop signal was 440 yards unless there was a drastic speed restriction such as approaching a buffer stop.  The overlap was, put simply, to allow the driver to get his train under control before he hit something, in the event of bad rail or a miscalculation by the driver (very easy in fog or falling snow).  Otherwise, the margin of safety is the thickness of the signal post.

The Up Goods Loop may well have a signal near the crossover because that is protected by a headshunt (or in other instances, a trap point) and will have a speed restriction in force.

Therefore, in my opinion, the signal controlling the main line at the crossover would be the Up Platform Starting Signal, as you say.  Incidentally, it is possible that, beyond the crossover to the Up Goods Loop, there might have been an Up Advanced Starting Signal!

I hope these ramblings are of some help and that a S&T Inspector comes along in a minute!

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 11, 2017, 09:04:34 pm
Therefore, in my opinion, the signal controlling the main line at the crossover would be the Up Platform Starting Signal, as you say.

Thanks John, that's helpful. My feeling is to use as few signals as possible, especially as they don't work! I have put one of the ground signals to control exit from the goods yard.

I left the lights and camera tripod in place overnight and this morning I took another picture which shows what would have happened a few seconds after yesterday's shot.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-111217210010.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on December 12, 2017, 09:39:08 am
Roger, these are wonderful photographs of an exceptional layout. If my own layout ends up being half as good as this, I'll be a happy man!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on December 12, 2017, 10:29:55 am
I totally agree with your comments Atso but some of your stock modifications are pretty impressive. But when it comes to scenery Rodger is the man,this is impressive stuff. I am a lms man myself but must admit I have a soft spot for A4 Pacific,dare I say it one of my first ever model loco's was a Hornby 3 rail Silver King A4,such a long time ago now.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 14, 2017, 10:49:56 pm
With most of my wagons now weathered Iíve experimented with a coach. Looking at period photos it appears that the sides of coaches were kept fairly clean Ė they were, after all, the part that the travellers saw. So for this trial I gave the sides a wash of diluted Lifecolor roof dirt and immediately wiped most of it off with a kitchen paper towel. This has left some paint in the door lines and around the hinges as well as a few grubby areas on the side panels. The roof needs a bit more work but I think the chassis is probably ok. Opinions welcome!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-141217224740.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 14, 2017, 11:33:24 pm
Looks very nice, I do a similar thing to my coaches & rolling stock, brings the detail out & looks more realistic I think & less plasticky. Superb layout you have by the way  ;)

Cheers,  Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on December 15, 2017, 07:20:47 am
Agree with the 'slightly grubby' approach to passenger stock.

I have yet to weather any of my rolling stock but nice to see further great examples of how it should be done.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on December 15, 2017, 08:33:52 am
That carriage looks good. Itís easy to overdo it but that looks fine.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on December 15, 2017, 09:30:55 am
Excellent.

 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on December 15, 2017, 11:08:28 am
Roger,
I quite agree with the point about the carriages being kept reasonably clean. I can't remember an instant where I accessed a dirty looking carriage during the "steam era". Coach looks fine and will be even better when you improve the roof to your usual standard.
Cheers Dennis.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 17, 2017, 10:02:59 pm
Thanks all for the comments about the carriage. It seems as though I'm on the right track (sorry!). I've got about a dozen assorted blood and custard coaches to weather, so that'll keep me quiet for a while...might need some more roof dirt, too.

Meanwhile I've been adding some extra bits around the signal box. The signalman on duty has parked his bike beneath the staircase and now has a generous supply of coal in the newly installed bin. And in case the stove gets out of control there are some fire buckets available. The bike is Modelscene, the bin is plastikard and the buckets are by Springside Models.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-171217215244.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 19, 2017, 11:35:53 pm
Time to go to church. In the porch the church warden is chatting to the two ladies who do the flowers. To the left a seated figure looks down at his dog - ready to continue their walk? And on the right a visitor to the village removes his hat as he contemplates the memorial of one of his ancestors.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-191217233216.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 22, 2017, 11:04:05 am
Another view of the churchyard. Grandad has brought the children to visit grandma's grave...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-221217110236.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on December 22, 2017, 02:32:17 pm
Lovely. Including little cameo scenes always brings a layout to life.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 23, 2017, 07:45:19 pm
From me and the little people of Wrenton...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-121217111204.jpeg)

...a very merry Christmas and a happy and healthy new year. - Roger.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 26, 2017, 09:40:24 pm
Had a photography session this afternoon and I quite like this new picture of the church.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-261217213809.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on December 26, 2017, 09:51:13 pm
Me too! Triple  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on December 26, 2017, 10:06:00 pm
That looks so lifelike.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on December 27, 2017, 04:44:49 pm
Hard to believe we are looking at a model and N gauge at that.
Superb craftsmanship.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on December 27, 2017, 08:38:26 pm
Superb !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on December 27, 2017, 08:53:00 pm
Beautiful modelling.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on December 28, 2017, 07:40:46 am
Great stuff!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 28, 2017, 10:33:58 am
Had to look twice at that photo, thought the photo of the church was of the real thing  ;D Superb modelling!

cheers, Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on December 28, 2017, 05:46:22 pm
This railway really is a wonderful piece of modelling and the excellent photography really shows that! 

Happy New Year to you all.
John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on December 30, 2017, 10:18:03 pm
From the Ďto be usedí box comes a set of station staff figures. Thereís already one in the signal box, but heís invisible unless I shine a torch into the building.  Iím not sure if Iíll use the guards Ė most of the time theyíll be waving their flags and blowing their whistles to an empty platform! And where do they go? If at the ends of the platforms theyíll have to run to catch up with a short train stopped further down the platform. There is a porter who will definitely make an appearance but one figure has just been fixed into position. Heís the ticket inspector and heís just emerged to welcome the passengers from a train arriving now, hauled by City of London.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6299-301217220902.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 01, 2018, 10:14:13 pm
A few minutes later and City of London departs with my recently weathered Mk1s.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-010118221200.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 03, 2018, 10:50:30 pm
Some close-ups of individual carriages in City of London's train, after weathering.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-030118224438.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-030118224614.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-030118224551.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-030118224630.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on January 03, 2018, 11:07:51 pm
A very nice light touch there Roger. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 03, 2018, 11:20:04 pm
Very subtle but extremely effective weathering there Roger. Top work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 06, 2018, 09:52:20 pm
I've been taking a break from weathering, and have added some extra clutter to the platforms. I spent some of this afternoon cleaning wagon wheels and managed to do forty vehicles before I got bored and gave up! And as clean wagon wheels don't make for an interesting picture here's a shot of the station showing the porter and some luggage at the end of the up platform. I've decided not to include a guard here, so the porter provides a bit of human interest. I might add another passenger beside him when I can find a suitable figure.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-060118214550.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on January 06, 2018, 09:57:45 pm
Superb.
Really superb.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on January 07, 2018, 12:23:58 pm
Superb.
Really superb.

Seconded!

It looks like a photograph from the Colour-Rail catalogue rather than a model...  :goggleeyes:

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 07, 2018, 12:55:24 pm
Thirded.  :D

A beautiful layout and exquisite photos that I never tire of admiring.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on January 07, 2018, 07:38:48 pm
Another NGF superb layout, never ceases to amaze me of the skill we have on our forum.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on January 07, 2018, 08:45:46 pm
I've given up waxing lyrical about this layout. It's just so........... Well it is, isn't it? Just so .............. :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 07, 2018, 10:33:12 pm
You are not wrong my friend, always look forward to seeing the photo's
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on January 08, 2018, 12:17:08 pm
Just spent a highly enjoyable morning (in between meetings) catching up on your superb layout - a joy to look at and your tips and explanations also help share knowledge that we can attempt to try ourselves

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 09, 2018, 10:35:34 pm
More cleaning of wheels today. Strange how on a single wagon one wheel can be much dirtier than the others. I expect someone will have an explanation! Anyway, I realised that there are some pictures of weathered wagons that I haven't yet posted. Starting with these Presflos. The weathering was done using a drybrush technique with an old artist's bristle brush. Fortunately I only have these two as it took quite a while to do them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-090118222744.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 10, 2018, 10:59:11 pm
A couple more, rather mucky, wagons. I think Insul-Fish vans would more often be seen as complete trains rather than the odd one or two as part of a mixed train (?) - but I can't justify the cost of lots of them!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-100118225604.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 10, 2018, 11:09:02 pm
Very convincing weathering!  :thumbsup:

Regarding the fixed rake of these wagons, I think I read somewhere that they would  sometimes be hauled by an A4 Pacific!

Now that would be a pretty cool train.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Ollie3440 on January 11, 2018, 05:13:42 pm
Afternoon.

Really nice weathering, especially on those insul-fish. Enough to be effective but not too much so it's overpowering. Spot on!

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 11, 2018, 10:09:37 pm
Regarding the fixed rake of these wagons, I think I read somewhere that they would  sometimes be hauled by an A4 Pacific!
Now that would be a pretty cool train.

You're right there, George. I was looking at a photo of such a train a while back. I've wasted spent ages today hunting through books looking for the picture without success! But there were plenty of A4s in their final years on various goods workings. An idea for a future shot of Wrenton...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DCCDave on January 11, 2018, 11:43:48 pm
Regarding the fixed rake of these wagons, I think I read somewhere that they would  sometimes be hauled by an A4 Pacific!
Now that would be a pretty cool train.

You're right there, George. I was looking at a photo of such a train a while back. I've wasted spent ages today hunting through books looking for the picture without success! But there were plenty of A4s in their final years on various goods workings. An idea for a future shot of Wrenton...

If you're searching for photos of A4s pulling freight, search for the Waverley Route. Several A4s spent their final years hauling freight between Kingmoor and Millerhill yards up and down the Waverley. I've read (but can't remember where) that the Aberdeen fish trains were often A4 hauled southbound on the Waverley.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 12, 2018, 12:04:26 pm
If you're searching for photos of A4s pulling freight, search for the Waverley Route. Several A4s spent their final years hauling freight between Kingmoor and Millerhill yards up and down the Waverley. I've read (but can't remember where) that the Aberdeen fish trains were often A4 hauled southbound on the Waverley.

Thanks Dave. A Google Images search for 'Waverley Route' didn't produce a shot of an A4 hauled fish train, and I don't have any books specifically about the Waverley Route. But the Feb 2017 issue of Hornby mag has a list of Pacific hauled trains and that includes an A4 seen at Galashiels in 1962 with a train of the white insulated vans, some conflats with AF containers (also insulated) and some bauxite fish vans.  So getting close, but the sight of a complete train of white vans behind an A4 would, as George suggests, be pretty impressive!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 12, 2018, 01:07:59 pm
The 'Blue Star Fish Special' was a named freight train which ran between Kings Cross and Aberdeen in 1958 so it wouldn't surprise me at all if that wasn't A4 hauled. What the rolling stock was I have no idea, though.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 12, 2018, 01:32:19 pm
General freight shot http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176 (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 12, 2018, 01:59:02 pm
General freight shot [url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url] ([url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url])

Is it my computer (or eyesight) or does that tunnel mouth look as though there's a solid wall through which the train is emerging?! Perhaps it's like platform 9 3/4...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 12, 2018, 02:41:04 pm
General freight shot [url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url] ([url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url])

Is it my computer (or eyesight) or does that tunnel mouth look as though there's a solid wall through which the train is emerging?! Perhaps it's like platform 9 3/4...
  Perhaps that was the day Henry misbehaved and the brickies moved in...

Blame my childhood reading  and the Rev Awdrey.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on January 12, 2018, 03:17:04 pm
General freight shot [url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url] ([url]http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2283176[/url])

Is it my computer (or eyesight) or does that tunnel mouth look as though there's a solid wall through which the train is emerging?! Perhaps it's like platform 9 3/4...
If you look carefully, you can see that the DOWN line is cut off obliquely before the tunnel entrance and there appear to be a couple of old car tyres just outside the tunnel, so the picture may be a composite of more that one original.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 12, 2018, 04:16:36 pm
Or perhaps just a bit of clumsy cloning. There appears to be a second, fainter, image of the right hand side of the curve of the arch and, more noticeable in the larger version (follow the reuse link on the page) and after a bit of tweaking in Photoshop, a third even fainter one. But why? The camera never lies, eh!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on January 12, 2018, 04:41:15 pm
Roger, I've been enjoying myself leafing through some books in search of a photograph of an 'A4' on the Aberdeen fish train.  I regret that I've not found one yet.  I did find this, though:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-120118163548.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60488)

It's 46250 City of Lichfield between Perth and Stirling with the Up fish.  I understand the locomotive was changed at Perth.

The reference is:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-120118163829.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60489)

Page 57.

I know that you have a Princess Coronation, so this might help.

Many thanks for the photographs of your splendid layout.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on January 12, 2018, 04:59:47 pm
This isnít the Aberdeen to Kings X fish but it is an A4 in Scotland on a fish train
https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/LNER-and-BRE-and-BRNE/LNER-Gresley-express-power/i-6jJfPzh/A

Right hand column and down 5 rows will find the picture you want
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 12, 2018, 05:15:45 pm
Roger, I've been enjoying myself leafing through some books in search of a photograph of an 'A4' on the Aberdeen fish train.  I regret that I've not found one yet. 

Haven't got that book. Good reference, too, if I ever wanted to make City of London look filthy. I think I'll resist that temptation! I've enjoyed searching for the image - nice to look through volumes which usually sit un-viewed on a shelf. It appeared to be a train of just the white insul-fish wagons which did look very handsome.

This isnít the Aberdeen to Kings X fish but it is an A4 in Scotland on a fish train

And some great photos in that set, too. Well worth a browse.

Thank you both.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Carmont on January 12, 2018, 09:34:26 pm
This is as close as I've ever got to a block working of only Fish vans, but there is a mixture of different types, presumably all insulated though. This would be typical.  It would be very rare indeed, i think, to find a fish train of exclusively the blue spot Insulfish vans:

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/keyword/Retford/i-BXGrMZq/A

I have an image in George O'Hara's "BR Steam in Scotland", page 181, of an A4 #34 Lord Faringdon at my namesake, Carmont, with a "...fast fitted fish train from Aberdeen to the South...."

The first eight vehicles are insulated vans, possibly three are of the variety available to us via the Dapol Blue Spot, there is then a BR brake van, then at least two tankers (they look like Milk tankers - possibly empties back to Dumfries-shire), another two insulated vans, what looks like a Stove-R brake, and then at least another six insulated vans.

Page 192 of the same volume, has #19 in charge of a "..Millerhill yard to Kingmoor yard fitted frish train during the early 1960's" near Gorebridge, on the Waverley route. The first two vehicles are Blus Spot Insulfish, then there are what looks like six insulated Container As on conflats, followed by an indeterminate number of vans, of various types, but again presumably all insulated. I'd hazard a guess at 12-15 vans behind the conflats.

There are a couple of shorter consists, although not A4 hauled, that may be of interest:

Two images on P177 illustrate a short working, Fraserburgh to Aberdeen (for re-marshalling, presumably as part of the afternoon (1500ish hours) express from Aberdeen to the south.

The first on shows Std 4MT 2-6-4T #80021 with nine insulfish, at least half i'd say are Blue Spots, but the others are very similar, tailed by what I'm almost certain is an ex-LMS BG (conveying parcels), 19th July 1960.

The second, presumably the same train, shows #80004 with six insulfish and the aforementioned LMS BG.

I have more images of fish trains large and small in various other books, but this was the only one to hand.

I hope that has been even a little bit useful.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 12, 2018, 09:35:28 pm
Having just gotten up here in Oz, and returning to this thread, you don't think that the bricked up tunnel in that b & w photo could be exhaust smoke, perhaps?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 12, 2018, 11:22:05 pm
I hope that has been even a little bit useful.

Thanks for all that. I'm getting the impression that just two Insul-fish vans are never going to make a convincing part of a train! I seem to recall reading that some of these vans were converted for general use after BR gave up the fish traffic, though I don't think the nature of the modifications was mentioned. So perhaps that explains my two. And Rule One comes in useful, too. I wish I could find the photo that started this topic!

Having just gotten up here in Oz, and returning to this thread, you don't think that the bricked up tunnel in that b & w photo could be exhaust smoke, perhaps?

I think you've got it!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on January 13, 2018, 08:31:36 am
Quite a few of the of blue spot fish vans were converted for parcels use and several also saw departmental / internal depot use as stores vans and equipment vans for "breakdown trains" (re-railing equipment).  This link shows a few examples http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfish (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfish) this is a useful site for wagon and coaching stock images.
In parcels use, I seem to recall that a number of them were used for "Readers Digest" traffic at one time.  I'm sure it is in one of the many books I have, but I can't remember which one!
Hope this is of interest.
John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on January 13, 2018, 08:56:50 am
I'm with George, smoke filled tunnel and maybe a post or mile marker cutting across the down tracks?

A nice picture of Perth in that link too!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on January 13, 2018, 09:09:19 am
I'm with George, smoke filled tunnel and maybe a post or mile marker cutting across the down tracks?
Having had a closer look, I can just make out the tunnel arch with smoke billowing out of the entrance and the cut across the DOWN is indeed a signal post (with a signal on it!).  So it looks genuine after all.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 13, 2018, 07:48:33 pm
If you download the app for ďSteam World DaysĒ magazine and then download the FREE Sample Mag, thereís a nice shot of 60004 passing Aberdeen with a fish and meat train in May 1964 on page 73.

Strongly recommend the mag anyway, A4s or not :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 13, 2018, 11:00:29 pm
This link shows a few examples [url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfish[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfish[/url]) this is a useful site for wagon and coaching stock images.

Thanks John. I think that must have been where I saw the reference. Judging by some of those photos I didn't overdo the weathering!


I'm sure it is in one of the many books I have, but I can't remember which one!

Glad I'm not the only one.

If you download the app for ďSteam WorldĒ magazine and then download the FREE Sample Mag.

Thanks Steve. Is that available on the Apple store? - I coudn't find it using an iPad. And the mag's web site doesn't mention a free sample. By the way, having some interest in Ancient Egypt myself I've been meaning to ask you about your choice of username.

And now I'm going back to nursing my cold and sore throat. A drop of Scottish wine is called for.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 13, 2018, 11:48:22 pm
Thanks Steve. Is that available on the Apple store? - I coudn't find it using an iPad. And the mag's web site doesn't mention a free sample. By the way, having some interest in Ancient Egypt myself I've been meaning to ask you about your choice of username.

Yes, I used the App Store from my iPad. Once youíve got the app the free issue is listed along with all the others.

My username comes from a Marillion lyric (my favourite band) and was chosen purely because itís usually untaken for log-in purposes, nothing else :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 14, 2018, 10:23:57 pm

Yes, I used the App Store from my iPad.

It still doesn't show up when I search. Other railway mags do if I just search for 'steam'. I've never been an Apple fan!

My username comes from a Marillion lyric (my favourite band) and was chosen purely because itís usually untaken for log-in purposes, nothing else :thumbsup:

I've used Egyptian names for logins in the past. Trouble is I can never remember which spelling variation I used!

Way off topic, sorry. So here's a new picture of the station with some recently added barrows on the far (up) platform, near the footbridge.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-140118220926.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 14, 2018, 10:36:46 pm
Aargh! Sorry, Iíve been a complete rissole.  Only when I couldnít find it myself and then searched for ďKey PublishingĒ did I realise the mag is called ďSteam DaysĒ :-[

Always did get those two mixed up!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 14, 2018, 10:39:00 pm
Aargh! Sorry, Iíve been a complete rissole.  Only when I couldnít find it myself and then searched for ďKey PublishingĒ did I realise the mag is called ďSteam DaysĒ :-[

Always did get those two mixed up!

It happens to us all! I'll have a hunt tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Yet_Another on January 14, 2018, 11:29:44 pm
Roger, apologies if this has been covered earlier in the thread - there's quite a lot of it now - how do you achieve the excellent lighting in your photos? It's certainly one of the elements that adds to the realism of the pictures.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 15, 2018, 12:05:50 pm
Roger, apologies if this has been covered earlier in the thread - there's quite a lot of it now - how do you achieve the excellent lighting in your photos? It's certainly one of the elements that adds to the realism of the pictures.

Tony, I don't think I've mentioned lighting before so here goes...

I use outdoor security lights, the non-PIR ones, with 400w lamps. I had a couple that I used for other purposes and saw a reference in a magazine suggesting their use for photography. So I tried them on some old stands and the results seemed promising. I bought a couple more and some new stands and Iíve used them for all my recent model photos. The photo shows a set-up for photographing a small area of the layout. The light on the right is pointing down to provide the main illumination. The other two are pointing up at the ceiling and give a soft fill-in light which can help to reduce the contrast of the picture.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-150118120238.jpeg)

As you can see, I havenít got a lot of space between layout and wardrobes so the option of using reflective umbrellas to provide the fill-in is probably not possible. When Iím photographing a large area of the layout Iíll use two direct lights, one near each end of the layout, angling them so that they cast shadows in roughly the same direction. The other two lights then provide the fill-in, pointing up as before.

At the far end of the layout you can see a blue painted board with some Ďtreesí along the bottom edge. I use this to provide extra sky when needed (it only contributed a small area for this set-up) or background trees when shooting from the rear of the layout.

I manually set the cameraís white balance rather than use the normal auto setting. I find the tungsten option works fairly well without any further tweaking.

Hereís the photo I shot, picking up on a recent topic on this thread. About as near to a fish train as Iím likely to get! Itís going north, so is presumably empty.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-150118120303.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 15, 2018, 12:09:28 pm
Just checking the previous post and noticed that the thread had been viewed 16666 times. And I'm (half) watching The Omen. Should I be worried?...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 15, 2018, 05:18:41 pm
Aargh! Sorry, Iíve been a complete rissole.  Only when I couldnít find it myself and then searched for ďKey PublishingĒ did I realise the mag is called ďSteam DaysĒ

Got it! And it is a nice picture. Lovely exhaust. Thanks Steve.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Yet_Another on January 15, 2018, 08:09:46 pm
Thanks very much for your detailed reply. Food for thought.  :hmmm: :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 15, 2018, 09:49:45 pm
Yes, thanks for the info about your lighting techniques.  :thumbsup:

The A4 photo is brill!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Some years ago, when I bought a transition period green Class 55, I wanted a picture of it hauling maroon coaching stock, as it would have on the ECML. Trouble was, I only owned one maroon coach!

So I cheated and took a shot of it emerging from a tunnel with just the one coach showing.

I guess you could  always do that with the two fish vans, implying that there's heaps of them behind!

But it is cheating, I suppose. Great picture as is.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 15, 2018, 09:52:19 pm
I guess you could  always do that with the two fish vans, implying that there's heaps of them behind!
But it is cheating, I  suppose.

As if I'd do a thing like that!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 18, 2018, 07:29:04 pm
Iíve had a go at adding real coal to a couple of locos. Both the BR 5MT and the ex-WD have their motors in the loco so thereís plenty of space in the tender. I decided not to fill them to the brim Ė surely engines must have used some coal on their journeys but most models seem to suggest otherwise!

The coal is Peco fine grade and I poured it into the tender and then added some drops of Woodland Scenics Scenic Cement to hold it in place. I need to add some more stray lumps on the flat area behind the bunker of 90201 which looks as though it will need to stop for a top-up soon.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-180118192642.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 18, 2018, 07:42:28 pm
Very nice work and another excellent photo. The BR Lined Green Standard Class loco. is one of my favourite models. I'm glad that it's in immaculate condition.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on January 18, 2018, 07:51:30 pm
It certainly looks realistic to have the tender other than full to capacity.
Looks good. I do like the WD.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on January 18, 2018, 08:23:30 pm
I do like the idea of not a full coal load,unfortunately my Union Mills 3f I am working on has the motor in the tender so its going to have to be a full load in mine. Really nice pics of your two locos, I need to use a better camera to take some pics of my layout, I tend to use my phone most of the time.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 18, 2018, 09:26:13 pm
It's certainly on my to-do list for my steamers. I was considering mugging a few 'first-footers' but reckon I can persuade my bruv-in-law to part with a lump of coal I can take my angst out on :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on January 18, 2018, 09:51:14 pm
It's certainly on my to-do list for my steamers. I was considering mugging a few 'first-footers' but reckon I can persuade my bruv-in-law to part with a lump of coal I can take my angst out on :D

Years ago, I got a lump from the tender of a 'Hiker', on the Fort William - Mallaig service, for modelling purposes.  This appealed to my sense of whimsy.  I also got a hurl on the footplate but, even now, I had better say no more about that.  But the tender certainly was not full at the end of the run!

All the best.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 18, 2018, 10:57:24 pm
The BR Lined Green Standard Class loco. is one of my favourite models. I'm glad that it's in immaculate condition.

It is a handsome beast and I think I'll keep it pristine. I haven't got enough courage to tackle weathering an expensive loco yet!

My Union Mills 3f I am working on has the motor in the tender so its going to have to be a full load in mine. Really nice pics of your two locos, I need to use a better camera to take some pics of my layout, I tend to use my phone most of the time.

I look forward to seeing the painted 3F. I don't have a smart phone (I'm still in the 20th Century!) so it's either an iPad (tricky to use to say the least), a little point and shoot job which I used for the earlier shots on this thread, or the Olympus that I'm using now. It does take longer to use the latter but I've always enjoyed my photography.

It's certainly on my to-do list for my steamers. I was considering mugging a few 'first-footers' but reckon I can persuade my bruv-in-law to part with a lump of coal I can take my angst out on :D

I reckon a bag of Peco coal is easier and less messy than smashing up a lump...


Years ago, I got a lump from the tender of a 'Hiker', on the Fort William - Mallaig service, for modelling purposes.  This appealed to my sense of whimsy.

...but I can see the appeal of that!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 18, 2018, 11:37:26 pm
Yes, I've read of similar indulgences in the magazines. Things like rocks in model quarries being from the real location and so on.

There's a certain satisfaction to be had from knowing that.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Zogbert Splod on January 19, 2018, 02:56:16 am
Yes, I've read of similar indulgences in the magazines. Things like rocks in model quarries being from the real location and so on.

There's a certain satisfaction to be had from knowing that.
On a similar theme, I am preparing a drawing for each house that I ever lived in to add to the layout.  (well, most of them anyhow)
I'm also, so far casually, looking out for one of each of the cars that I have owned over the years.

Regards, Allan.....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 19, 2018, 03:11:41 am
Yes, I've seen that in magazines too. If my layout ever gets finished (BIG if), I intend to include a model of Chez Bealman.

You haven't got a model of your place tucked away in your superb village, Roger?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 19, 2018, 11:49:00 am
You haven't got a model of your place tucked away in your superb village, Roger?

No George, Iíve never lived in the village and I donít think the houses Iíve lived in would fit, either.

My maternal grandfather was born a couple of miles away from the centre of the village. His presumably widowed wife later lived right in the centre, in part of one of the cottages Iíve modelled. My mother used to remember childhood holidays with her there. During the war years my parents would cycle from North London to the village at weekends to get away from the bombing and they stayed in another of the cottages Iíve modelled. And a cousin lived in yet another, her daughter running the little shop next to the Red Lion, also on the layout. I spent several childhood holidays in the area so I think the village is in my blood!

So my choice of these buildings as prototypes for my models is pure nostalgia. Thereís been discussion here and elsewhere about why we choose to model a particular period Ė same reason I think.

My village is very different from the prototype, though, having to be set out along a single road whereas the real thing clusters round a pond and greens. Search Google Maps for Finchingfield to visit one of the prettiest villages in the country.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 19, 2018, 01:59:55 pm
I just Googled some pictures and have to say it was just like looking at pictures of your layout. You've captured the style and materials of the real thing so well I could have believed they were pictures of Wrenton I was looking at.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 19, 2018, 04:43:02 pm
I just googled it too,it's an English idyll,there's no use denying it,you have to build an extension to include a water feature and that bridge,then get a figure of Miss Marple.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on January 19, 2018, 07:33:02 pm
Thereís been discussion here and elsewhere about why we choose to model a particular period Ė same reason I think.

It certainly is for me, green diesels are my childhood memories, and green DMUs for our trips to Felixstowe. I wonder if modelling steamers will die off as future generations have no memory of them in everyday use?

Oh and I have a depiction of my old shop on the layout  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 19, 2018, 10:54:01 pm
I just googled it too,it's an English idyll,there's no use denying it,you have to build an extension to include a water feature and that bridge,then get a figure of Miss Marple.

If only I had the space to do it! When I started this project I was making some buildings and thinking about the possibility of a model of the centre of the village, complete with the pond and greens. But it would have been very large and the temptation to have some trains was just too great!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 19, 2018, 11:49:03 pm
Understandable, but I don't think there's a modeller out there that dosen't wish for more room.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 20, 2018, 11:40:48 am
I wonder if modelling steamers will die off as future generations have no memory of them in everyday use?

Perhaps preserved steam lines will be enough to keep the interest of younger generations and inspire them to model the steam age despite never having known it. And there seems to be a good choice of kits for model ships, planes, cars, tanks, etc of eras gone by. The past will always be a fascinating place.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 20, 2018, 11:59:22 am
Yes, I think that will be the case.

We build models of long gone ships and planes, after all.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 20, 2018, 12:33:52 pm
I have a very distinct preference for steam even though I was born a couple of years after steam had disappeared. I guess I picked up my preference from parents & older relatives, books, film & television and the odd visit to preserved lines.

I was just in one of my local shops chatting to the owner about locos and they said they don't like to hold too much non steam in stock as it's much slower to sell than steam. However from observation, the client base appears to be firmly my age and above which could account for it.

So whilst the balance may be shifting from steam to deisel and electric, I don't think it'll ever be completely out of favour.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 20, 2018, 08:48:57 pm
Iíd intended to weather some carriages this afternoon, but instead I found myself de-weathering some. The train usually hauled by my A4 has three factory weathered coaches and I think the effect on the sides looks to be overdone especially when compared with a pristine coach. Hereís a pic Iíve used before:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6299-050917124437.jpeg)

I used IPA on a kitchen paper towel to remove as much of the weathering as I could without risking taking off the base colour as well. As a precaution I then wiped over the side with another towel dampened with water, though I expect the IPA had evaporated by then. I havenít got all of the weathering off, the windows being especially tricky. Hereís one of the coaches with the work started.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-200118204525.jpeg)

So the next job is to re-weather the three and the remaining coaches, but rather more subtly, so they can be re-united with Bittern.

I think Iíll steer clear of factory weathering in the future!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 20, 2018, 09:03:11 pm
Thanks for this. I agree that, for an express train, the coaches are too dirty. Your modified weathering looks just right to me.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 20, 2018, 10:01:24 pm
The 'undercarriage' looks great,and the bodywork is much better,subtle around the door frames and hinges,but for me the roof is too pale,if in doubt work from photo's,I find an airbrush is ideal for this-it gives a dead flat matt finish.          Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 20, 2018, 10:41:44 pm
The 'undercarriage' looks great,and the bodywork is much better,subtle around the door frames and hinges,but for me the roof is too pale,if in doubt work from photo's,I find an airbrush is ideal for this-it gives a dead flat matt finish.          Bill

Thanks Bill - I have done some work on the chassis and bogies but I haven't touched the roof yet and it does look lighter in the photo than in reality - it's still the colour that GraFar made it! I just used a single lamp for the photo which was 'above' the top of the model (it's on its side, of course), and that is probably causing the effect. Unfortunately I haven't got an airbrush - I find it hard to justify the expense but I keep trying to persuade myself...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 20, 2018, 10:44:41 pm
A suitable shade of aerosol grey paint will work fine, sprayed at the right distance. (Experiment first and, of course, mask off the rest of the coach well.)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 20, 2018, 10:59:12 pm
A suitable shade of aerosol grey paint will work fine, sprayed at the right distance. (Experiment first and, of course, mask off the rest of the coach well.)

My current plan is to use the same method that I used on the blood and custard carriages I did a while back (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg483026#msg483026 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg483026#msg483026)). I'm never convinced by perfectly flat areas of paint or, indeed, of colour and tone in any area. I vary the colours of my grass, I streak and splodge different greys into the road surfaces, dirty up patches of pavements and so on. I guess it's a result of painting pictures in the past. Such as:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-200118225808.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: bob lawrence on January 21, 2018, 07:47:46 am
This painting is excellent Roger, professional quality, are you?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 21, 2018, 07:56:34 am
I used to love looking for the mouse in Cuneo's paintings on the cover of Triang catalogues.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 21, 2018, 08:19:57 am
Great atmospheric picture,A3's ready for the off!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2018, 09:37:30 am
Is there no limit to your talents? :admiration:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 21, 2018, 09:45:02 am
You certainly have an artistic eye. You're a very talented chap Roger.   :admiration:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Carmont on January 21, 2018, 10:29:38 am
Iíd intended to weather some carriages this afternoon, but instead I found myself de-weathering some. The train usually hauled by my A4 has three factory weathered coaches and I think the effect on the sides looks to be overdone especially when compared with a pristine coach. Hereís a pic Iíve used before:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6299-050917124437.jpeg[/url])

I used IPA on a kitchen paper towel to remove as much of the weathering as I could without risking taking off the base colour as well. As a precaution I then wiped over the side with another towel dampened with water, though I expect the IPA had evaporated by then. I havenít got all of the weathering off, the windows being especially tricky. Hereís one of the coaches with the work started.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-200118204525.jpeg[/url])

So the next job is to re-weather the three and the remaining coaches, but rather more subtly, so they can be re-united with Bittern.

I think Iíll steer clear of factory weathering in the future!


I agree, with regards to the, Farish in particular, coach weathering. If anything, it looks blue. I hadn't figured out out to remove it as yet, so thanks for the tip. Apart from the under frames, Maroon coach sides were kept pretty clean, so I'm not sure what the thinking of the weathering was. Unfortunately I have a few weathered examples that will need treating. Some of these are GUVs which did tend to get filthy, so I was thinking of just building properly covered grime over the top of the factory weathering.

Regards the previous discussion re Insulfish, I have a number of images of singles and pairs added to passenger trains, but these are restricted to West Highland and West Highland extension lines, and most date from Blue/Grey era. That said, I can dig them out if you'd like to see them...

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 21, 2018, 10:50:27 am
I admit to preferring weathered over pristine (mainly 'cos I'm rubbish at weathering things) but the Farish ones do seem to pretend there was no such thing as coach washing facilities.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ubyzhnvfizrb89/5MT%20and%20A4%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ubyzhnvfizrb89/5MT%20and%20A4%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0)

I also agree GUVs, CCTs and full brakes were generally to be found in poor states of cleanliness
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2018, 11:08:01 am
The ex-SR CCTs seem to have got particularly filthy in the 1960s and 1970s.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: NeMo on January 21, 2018, 11:14:51 am
I think there's a real problem with weathering coaches in N gauge, and that's viewing distance. The weathering Farish provides washes out the colours, which does provide something of the effect you get when viewing trains at a long distance. But most of us see coaches up close (perhaps more than anything else on the railway) and experience much more saturated colours.

Getting the balance between the two is really hard. If you're going to weather locomotives, you've got to apply some weathering to the coaches, but overdo it, and the effect looks like overkill. Don't do it at all, and the effect is unrealistic, especially if, as with Wrenton as photographed here, everything else is beautifully weathered and subdued.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6299-050917124437.jpeg[/url])


Looking at that photo, I wouldn't say the un-weathered coach is better, just different. The first coach blends into the scene better, but the second coach perhaps suggests what a top-link passenger coach might have looked like fresh from the yard.

Further complicating things is that coaches on preserved railways often have a lot of gloss paint on them, even the bogies, which may or may not represent how they looked in real life. Modern trains rarely have clean bogies and underframes, even if the body sides are kept in good conditions, and that's certainly my recollection of BR in the 1980s when I first took notice of such things.

Weathering the underframes and bogies is probably essential, and the roofs are important too, looking much too uniform and plasticky without at least a little bit of airbrushing. Personally I think a bit of bodyside grime is essential, especially in the steam age, if realism is the aim -- but each to their own! Rule number 1 and all that!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 21, 2018, 11:50:54 am
This painting is excellent Roger, professional quality, are you?

Thanks Bob. Very amateur, though! I only made about a dozen railway paintings - they're very difficult and take ages. This one, and the A4 (page 9 on this thread) took about 100 hours each.


I used to love looking for the mouse in Cuneo's paintings on the cover of Triang catalogues.

Perhaps I should have included a cat to explain the lack of mouse! My own favourite railway painter is Don Breckon. I just Googled him and some of the reproductions look very poor but his books are great.

Is there no limit to your talents? :admiration:

I've not had any luck finding a cure for the common cold! My current one is lasting ages.

Regards the previous discussion re Insulfish, I have a number of images of singles and pairs added to passenger trains, but these are restricted to West Highland and West Highland extension lines, and most date from Blue/Grey era. That said, I can dig them out if you'd like to see them...

I think I'm resigned to running my two as part of a mixed freight train, thanks. Wrenton is a long way from the Highlands - perhaps the two have come from an East Coast port.


I think there's a real problem with weathering coaches in N gauge, and that's viewing distance.

And, of course, photos complicate things, too. An effect which is subtle in a photo may be hardly visible in reality. I think getting underframe and bogies right makes a huge difference. And it would be nice to have an airbrush to do the roofs but I wonder if it would get much use once my remaining carriages are done. Perhaps better to spend the money on a couple more locos!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: NeMo on January 21, 2018, 11:57:28 am
And, of course, photos complicate things, too. An effect which is subtle in a photo may be hardly visible in reality. I think getting underframe and bogies right makes a huge difference. And it would be nice to have an airbrush to do the roofs but I wonder if it would get much use once my remaining carriages are done. Perhaps better to spend the money on a couple more locos!

Personally, I found even a cheap Amazon.co.uk airbrush opened up new modelmaking techniques that the investment was worthwhile -- after a time, just buying rolling stock ceased to be fun but more like stamp collecting, if that makes sense. There's nothing out there I really need, so I only buy the odd bargain when it turns up. The airbrush let me try out resprays and kit-building that wouldn't have been doable with just a paint brush.

That said, my layout building skills aren't even a tenth of yours -- this layout photographed here is spectacular. So far be it from me to tell you what to do!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 21, 2018, 11:03:22 pm
Personally, I found even a cheap Amazon.co.uk airbrush opened up new modelmaking techniques that the investment was worthwhile.

You certainly get some good results weathering with that airbrush.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 21, 2018, 11:50:16 pm
Have you tried the Aspects of Modelling series of books,three titles by Tim Shackleton- Weathering Rolling Stock,Locomotive Weathering Projects and Weathering Locomotives. The second of these titles uses various mediums,paint, powders and the first also includes the use use of Gouache,being an artist you'll know what that is.Its mostly OO,but some N,I find the techniques work ok  in both scales.            Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 22, 2018, 09:42:52 am
Have you tried the Aspects of Modelling series of books,three titles by Tim Shackleton- Weathering Rolling Stock,Locomotive Weathering Projects and Weathering Locomotives. The second of these titles uses various mediums,paint, powders and the first also includes the use use of Gouache,being an artist you'll know what that is.Its mostly OO,but some N,I find the techniques work ok  in both scales.            Bill

I've got two of them, Bill, but not the Projects one. I notice that he suggests a minimalist approach to N gauge weathering, which sounds like good advice to me. And he uses an airbrush a lot. With most of my present rolling stock done it might not be worth the expense of buying one. Not sure if there will be another layout after Wrenton - finding space for one would be a problem and I don't think I could part with Wrenton just yet! So I guess I'll struggle along with my brushes.

My most recent loco purchases have come from TMC with their medium and heavy weathering options. I think it's worth paying £30 to get the job done professionally and I've been pleased with their work so far. The heavy weathering option looks especially good I think. See the 4MT on http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg480281#msg480281 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg480281#msg480281) for example. A good overall muckiness without too much fine detail.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 22, 2018, 09:58:57 am
Have you tried the Aspects of Modelling series of books,three titles by Tim Shackleton- Weathering Rolling Stock,Locomotive Weathering Projects and Weathering Locomotives.

I've got one of his dirty DVDs, Bill ;). 'Right Track 11'
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 22, 2018, 11:15:09 am
I've got one of his dirty DVDs, Bill ;). 'Right Track 11'

Did it come in a brown, unmarked envelope?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 22, 2018, 12:46:04 pm
Some years ago,a good friend of mine, Nick Tillston of N Brass, convinced me that less was more and subtlety was the way forward, I've stuck to this pretty much,however Mr. Shackleton exhorts us to paint ' what is there'.Photo's show what a great variety is available ,so you really can't do it 'wrong'.Give me a 9F or an Austerity  2-8-0 and it won't end up black however an A4 (which I love),weathering will almost certainly be minimal.Some loco's I won't touch,just because they look good,eg. Blue Pullman,Schools class Repton.                                                                    regards Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 22, 2018, 02:17:25 pm
Photo's show what a great variety is available ,so you really can't do it 'wrong'.Give me a 9F or an Austerity  2-8-0 and it won't end up black however an A4 (which I love),weathering will almost certainly be minimal.Some loco's I won't touch,just because they look good,eg. Blue Pullman,Schools class Repton.

Sounds sensible. I like my A4 as it is and I certainly wouldn't touch my Flying Scotsman, Rule One allowing it to run in LNER livery!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 22, 2018, 03:34:35 pm
She ran in those colours in the sixties on railtours whilst in private ownership as did Sir Nigel Gresley in Garter Blue, a couple of Castles went back to GWR livery I think.

regards   Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 22, 2018, 04:59:36 pm
She ran in those colours in the sixties on railtours whilst in private ownership as did Sir Nigel Gresley in Garter Blue, a couple of Castles went back to GWR livery I think.

I wasn't certain at which period she was in LNER livery. But I assume she didn't have a train of Gresley teaks in their original livery as does my model. My period is very much undefined, of course, with all those buildings looking just as they do today.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on January 22, 2018, 05:05:51 pm
Some loco's I won't touch,just because they look good,eg. Blue Pullman

God no!!  :o
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 22, 2018, 07:26:16 pm
I love my BP to bits but still think the bright silver 'undercarriage' could do with toning down :hmmm:
Trouble is, I don't want @Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) armed with a sniper rifle on the rooftops opposite my residence :no:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on January 22, 2018, 07:37:28 pm
And I'll be covering the back  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on January 22, 2018, 07:45:16 pm
While I attack it with the airbrush  ;)  :P

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 22, 2018, 07:56:33 pm
Sacrilege ! Heresy !!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on January 22, 2018, 08:10:10 pm
I've only weathered mineral wagons with rust and stuff.  I've left locos and coaches as they come.  One loco and a brake van have come weathered by the manufacturer as standard and I've also had the lecture from Nick Tilston that N gauge weathering should be minimal.  I've tried one or two box vans and I'm not particularly happy with them.  I think that a lot of the techniques used in 00 don't work so well in N due to the smaller size.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on January 22, 2018, 11:27:19 pm
Yes I agree with most of whats been said about weathering, little is best which what I am planning with my Union Mills 3f. A nice reasonably priced reliable airbrush is the Iwatta Neo which I was lucky enough to get for last Christmas. Must admit to using my old and trusty Badger for painting my 3f this time.

Your model railway never ceases to amaze me, the standard of modeling is so high, I am sure you will get the right balance with your weathering.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 23, 2018, 11:40:56 am
A nice reasonably priced reliable airbrush is the Iwatta Neo which I was lucky enough to get for last Christmas.

When I was giving some thought to buying an airbrush it was the Neo range that seemed to be the best price/quality option. I was thinking the trigger operated ones might be the best bet, as I'd read somewhere that they were a good choice for elderly, rheumatic hands. But by the time I'd added the price of a compressor, etc, I decided not to take the plunge.

With my carriages its really only the roofs that I'm not happy with and I guess if I did buy an airbrush in the future I could take the IPA to them and then spray them.

Here's another example of TMC's work. Rule One definitely applies to this train running through an East Anglian village!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-230118113720.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-230118113750.jpeg)

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 23, 2018, 01:51:09 pm
One alternative for weathering roofs is to hand paint in a suitable MATT grey,then use weathering powders of the required shade,seal by a quick waft is all that is needed of matt varnish from a distance,not too close or else the powder disappears.
Regards    Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 23, 2018, 02:07:33 pm
One alternative for weathering roofs is to hand paint in a suitable MATT grey,then use weathering powders of the required shade,seal by a quick waft is all that is needed of matt varnish from a distance,not too close or else the powder disappears.

I suppose my method is a wet version of that! I wash on some Tensocrom medium and while it's still wet I work in small amounts of colour, usually from the Lifecolor Rail Weathering set. I used to use a similar method in my paintings - a tiny amount of paint mixed with lots of medium to produce a glaze. A technique much used by portrait and figure painters who often build up an area with many layers of transparent paint.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 23, 2018, 02:42:09 pm
I did something similar many years ago ,when I was into wargames ,lots of washes and dry brushing.

Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Dr Al on January 23, 2018, 05:59:29 pm
With my carriages its really only the roofs that I'm not happy with and I guess if I did buy an airbrush in the future I could take the IPA to them and then spray them.

Careful! IPA will take off (or risk taking off) the underlying factory paintwork too - so I'd use something far less potent!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 23, 2018, 07:50:09 pm
Careful! IPA will take off (or risk taking off) the underlying factory paintwork too - so I'd use something far less potent!
I kept checking the colour that was coming off onto the paper towel I was using and stopped as soon as there was a hint of the maroon. Most of the weathering had gone before it got to that stage.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on January 23, 2018, 08:38:53 pm
Yes I would take care using  IPA , you have to take care cleaning the track with it.
The Iawatta Airbrush I have is the Neo TN1 which is a double action but trigger operated. My old Badger 150 is double action, but you have to press for air and then pull back for paint, the trigger one is easier to use for anyone with dodgy fingers. I have some GF weathered wagons I bought before Christmas and I am not totally happy with the weathering on them, I need to tweak them a bit to my liking.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 23, 2018, 10:14:18 pm
The Iawatta Airbrush I have is the Neo TN1 which is a double action but trigger operated.

Yes, that's the one that I was considering. Sounds like a good buy. Maybe, one day...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 24, 2018, 08:59:25 pm
Bittern has been re-united with its (undamaged) carriages.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-240118205629.jpeg)

And a closer view.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6299-240118205656.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on January 24, 2018, 09:26:54 pm
Cracking photos and a super loco. Sadly, I had to return mine due to running issues. It was not my region but, rule 1, and you've gotta love an A4.  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 24, 2018, 09:32:06 pm
Cracking photos and a super loco. Sadly, I had to return mine due to running issues. It was not my region but, rule 1, and you've gotta love an A4.  :D

I agree with all the above. The coaches look far more realistic in this condition as part of an important express train and match the lovely A4 (I prefer them in this Late BR livery and condition).
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on January 25, 2018, 09:49:53 am
Just to put a finishing touch to your already excellent coaches, Roger, may I recommend these coach corridor connectors from another forum member. They are simple but very good.

http://www.mbmodelrailwayproducts.co.uk (http://www.mbmodelrailwayproducts.co.uk)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on January 25, 2018, 08:26:42 pm
Hi Rodger, I have received my NGS magazine today, and there is a article on weathering coach roofs using salt, looks very good, worth a look.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 25, 2018, 10:17:17 pm
Just to put a finishing touch to your already excellent coaches, Roger, may I recommend these coach corridor connectors from another forum member. They are simple but very good.

[url]http://www.mbmodelrailwayproducts.co.uk[/url] ([url]http://www.mbmodelrailwayproducts.co.uk[/url])

They certainly look good. Will give them a try, so many thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 25, 2018, 10:29:04 pm
Hi Rodger, I have received my NGS magazine today, and there is a article on weathering coach roofs using salt, looks very good, worth a look.

Yes Chris, I noticed that article straight away - wonder why?! I think the technique might be overdoing it a bit for my layout, comparing the results with the other effects I'm getting, but I'd like to try it one day.

There was an article using much the same method in Model Rail last September, admittedly demonstrating it with a 00 gauge model. And one of the books suggested by Bill (post#466), Weathering Rolling Stock by Tim Shackleton, uses the method to achieve rust effects on mineral wagons. I did wonder whether to try it on mine, but finally went for simpler methods.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on January 25, 2018, 11:02:10 pm
Hi again Roger, sorry I spelt your name wrong before. I have seen the technique used on wagons for rust effect like you say, might be a bit much for N-Gauge. I have a couple of good book's on paintinng with a airbrush and weathering by George Dent which are very good, I have also seen Tim Shackleton's work which is also very good.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 25, 2018, 11:30:31 pm


Just posted a Youtube  video on the Facebook forum,weathering 20 ton hoppers,it works on mineral wagons too !       

Regards     Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 26, 2018, 11:15:07 am
Hi again Roger, sorry I spelt your name wrong before.

No problem. Might not be many years before I can't spell it either!

I have a couple of good book's on paintinng with a airbrush and weathering by George Dent which are very good.

I have his airbrushing book, bought when I was trying to decide whether to buy a brush. It hasn't yet persuaded me to part company with my cash but time will tell.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 26, 2018, 11:26:06 am
I stand in awe of folks who  can use an airbrush.

For some reason I always think of graffiti.

To use one in N scale would take some skill, I reckon.

However, we have several threads here with success stories and hints and tips.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on January 26, 2018, 03:08:54 pm
Having to clean everything so thoroughly each time, plus the need to thin the paint (scary) has put me off....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 26, 2018, 10:35:48 pm
I stand in awe of folks who  can use an airbrush.

Me too. I reckon it would take a lot of practice before I risked weathering an expensive model with one.

Having to clean everything so thoroughly each time, plus the need to thin the paint (scary) has put me off....

Glad I'm not the only one!

I can put coal in tenders, though. Bittern finds itself on the wrong road as it poses beside Flying Scotsman. The coal was added on top of the existing moulded version.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-260118223416.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 27, 2018, 08:04:04 pm
Nice touch Roger. Simple and very effective.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 28, 2018, 10:49:26 pm
While Bittern and Flying Scotsman were side by side I just had to lower the camera for this view. Wish I had a four-track mainline!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-280118224633.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on January 28, 2018, 10:59:43 pm
Great photo!  :thumbsup:

Reminds me of when 4472 was in Australia during the late eighties.  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 30, 2018, 11:14:37 pm
More 4472. You may have noticed in my last post that I've taken a brush to the teak coaches. I wouldn't dare touch the sides and it would be easy to spoil the roofs. So it's just the chassis and bogies that have had some grey applied to take the edge off the shiny black plastic.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-300118230924.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-300118230948.jpeg)

A little after-thought. Were the coaches' buffers really that colour? Did the LNER paint them to look like teak?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 30, 2018, 11:24:05 pm
I think the coaches look much better for the lightly weathered underparts :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on January 31, 2018, 06:34:53 am
A little after-thought. Were the coaches' buffers really that colour? Did the LNER paint them to look like teak?
In my recollection, if they did, it would not have lasted very long because during shunting and under breaking the buffers often clashed and bare metal would have soon been the result.  All the buffers I remember seeing were bare metal, but perhaps with some weathering around the edges.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on January 31, 2018, 07:58:46 am
Brilliant pic's, love 'em. :claphappy:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on January 31, 2018, 08:21:58 am
A little after-thought. Were the coaches' buffers really that colour? Did the LNER paint them to look like teak?


Marvellous photographs, Roger.  I understand that the solebars, headstocks, wheel centres and buffer shanks were painted 'imitation teak'.  If the buffer heads were so painted it would have been bashed off as the carriage was shunted into a formation.

They buffers ought not to have clashed in normal service as these carriages were 'buck-eye' fitted.  I suppose the answer would be to paint the buffer heads a weathered grey-brown.

Here are some particularly nice pictures which might help a little.

http://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/133-teak-coaches (http://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/133-teak-coaches)

Thank you for all the wonderful pictures that you post.  I really enjoy seeing them.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 31, 2018, 08:52:44 am
some particularly nice pictures which might help a little.

[url]http://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/133-teak-coaches[/url] ([url]http://www.steve-banks.org/prototype-and-traffic/133-teak-coaches[/url])


What a gorgeous set of images, a man could almost go LNER! ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on January 31, 2018, 09:38:45 pm
Thanks all for the comments. John - I agree with Steve, thatís a great set of photos. I see some coaches with teak coloured solebars, etc and some which are normal weathered grey. Perhaps the latter are teak coloured beneath the dirtÖ

I looked at some pics online of preserved vehicles and they, too, show a mix of teak and grey solebars. Perhaps I could paint one side of my models teak and leave the other side grey?!

Iíve acted on a suggestion by NPN a few posts back and bought some corridor connectors. I spent some time today making up and fitting some to my Mk1 coaches and Iíve got some Gresley ones to do too. So Iíll have a think about whether to change the painting of the teak coaches before I fit them.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on February 01, 2018, 06:45:56 am
They buffers ought not to have clashed in normal service as these carriages were 'buck-eye' fitted.  I suppose the answer would be to paint the buffer heads a weathered grey-brown.
I'm pretty sure that buckeye couplers didn't appear until MK3 stock.  I seem to remember that right through the 60s, the good old screw coupler was still used on pretty much all passenger stock.  Once jointed rails disappeared, the rythmic ride associatd with them gave way to a rather uncomfortable irregular pulling as the drawbar tension cascaded down the train.  Of course, buckeye couplers eliminated that, but were they ever fitted to Gresley teak coaches?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: The Q on February 01, 2018, 09:07:26 am
I Think you'll find buck eyes were fitted to teak carriages of the LNER.
http://www.lnersvrcoachfund.org.uk/gnr_2701_restoration_2005.html (http://www.lnersvrcoachfund.org.uk/gnr_2701_restoration_2005.html)

Also I believe the SR used them as well.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on February 01, 2018, 09:43:45 am
They buffers ought not to have clashed in normal service as these carriages were 'buck-eye' fitted.  I suppose the answer would be to paint the buffer heads a weathered grey-brown.
I'm pretty sure that buckeye couplers didn't appear until MK3 stock.  I seem to remember that right through the 60s, the good old screw coupler was still used on pretty much all passenger stock.  Once jointed rails disappeared, the rythmic ride associatd with them gave way to a rather uncomfortable irregular pulling as the drawbar tension cascaded down the train.  Of course, buckeye couplers eliminated that, but were they ever fitted to Gresley teak coaches?

Yes.

They were introduced by the Great Northern in the Edwardian era and used particularly on ECJS.  They became more widespread and O S Nock considered that they saved many lives in the Castlecary collision of 1937.

Here's the back-end of an 'A4':-

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Roundhouse%2C_Barrow_Hill_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1592635.jpg

It took the Euston Confederacy a while to catch up with the East Coast!  But, as 'The Q' helpfully mentions, the dear old Southern adopted the buck-eye.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on February 01, 2018, 10:11:22 am
The BR standard passenger stock had Buck Eye couplers (including the Gangway fitted BG's).  They are drop head couplers and the end vehicles would have the heads dropped and the buffers pulled out with collars fitted behind them for loco's to couple to the train using the screw link coupling on the loco. Whilst this video relates to AC EMU's, at around 8m 45s it shows how you would prepare the unit for the attachment of an assisting locomotive.  The scenario is the same procedure used for attaching a loco to coaching stock except that that the loco screw link is used rather than the red painted emergency screw link used in the video.  However the SR Class 33/1 push pull loco's and 73's were fitted with drop head buck eye couplers has they could work in multiple with SR EMU's and the 4TC sets and when coupled to conventional coaching stock the buck eyes were normally used on the SR not so sure about the WR though as they had a distinct dislike of southern practices!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IlN48YkhA8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IlN48YkhA8) 
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on February 01, 2018, 01:54:27 pm
Are we getting a little off the subject of Wrenton. I'd like to see more about the village.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 01, 2018, 02:45:09 pm
 :helpneededsign:
Are we getting a little off the subject of Wrenton. I'd like to see more about the village.

But isn't it amazing how much knowledge members of the forum have?

I'm running out of ideas for photographing the village itself. Getting the camera into likely spots is tricky and always risks damaging the models. Some of the earlier shots taken during construction allowed me to get into places that are no longer accessible. Page 1 of the thread has my earliest buildings, standing alone, and pages 5-7 show the village being put together, including some of those now impossible angles. The material on this thread is also, and more concisely, on my web site - http://www.roger-beckwith.co.uk (http://www.roger-beckwith.co.uk). Also there are some photos of the village where many of the buildings provided inspiration for my models.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 03, 2018, 01:59:39 pm
Here's a first pic of a corridor connector fitted to a Gresley teak. I'm hoping to take some photos this afternoon so more coming soon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-030218135645.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 02:52:11 pm
Very nice work, Roger. Thanks for this update.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 04, 2018, 03:14:15 pm
Well, yesterday afternoon's photo session was much shorter than intended but I did manage to get this shot. A difficult angle and I will have to plead guilty to doing a bit of Photoshopping on it. The area of greenery and sky in the top right hand corner was pasted on from another picture of the layout. Looks a bit better than the window which was there originally. Makes me wish the baseboard was a bit wider... Anyway, it gives you another view of a corridor connector.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-040218150835.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2018, 03:56:18 pm
Thatís lovely.
Please donít stop the photography. I donít mind repeat shots as your layout is such an inspiration.
Always something to look at.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2018, 04:59:09 pm
I'm not being critical but a bit like my early Farish MK1s, those coaches could do with shorter shank couplings so as to 'concertina' the corridor connectors as they appear somewhat long :hmmm:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/12/main_32292.JPG)

I've bought some smaller Farish ones but don't know if Dapol do a shorter version of their own.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on February 04, 2018, 05:26:17 pm
Another cracking photo Roger. Thank you.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on February 04, 2018, 05:38:39 pm
Lovely pictures Roger!

I've found that by using two short shank Dapol dummy knuckle couplers, I can get the corridor connectors of my Dapol Gresley to just about touch while still getting around 10.5 inch curves.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 05, 2018, 11:23:15 am
I've found that by using two short shank Dapol dummy knuckle couplers, I can get the corridor connectors of my Dapol Gresley to just about touch while still getting around 10.5 inch curves.

I assume you mean the ones supplied in the box. I have to admit I've always found them too small for my ageing eyesight to see how to get them to couple up! I did, for a while, use one long and one short together which made life a bit easier, but only closes the coaches by about 1mm more than the normal couplings. So convenience won.

I'm not being critical but a bit like my early Farish MK1s, those coaches could do with shorter shank couplings so as to 'concertina' the corridor connectors as they appear somewhat long.

I'll put some on the shopping list.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 06, 2018, 02:21:16 pm
Some time back I posted a picture of a corner of the village.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg473221#msg473221 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg473221#msg473221)

One of the comments in a reply was:

Add a couple of cyclists rolling down the hill towards you and you'd think it was full size.

I'm always happy to listen to suggestions, so here are the recently installed cyclists in a slightly different view of the same corner.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-060218141232.jpeg)



Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: keithfre on February 06, 2018, 02:28:58 pm
When can I move in?  ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 06, 2018, 02:35:28 pm
Fabulous
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on February 06, 2018, 02:42:02 pm
Superb modelling  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2018, 02:57:14 pm
All I can say is.............. :jawdropping:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on February 06, 2018, 03:17:21 pm
As a cyclist myself I love that picture.  Works really well and adds to the character of the scene.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 06, 2018, 04:55:38 pm
They fit right in,don't they, I think elf and safety would demand some street lights though,bet they're on the to do list.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 06, 2018, 05:35:00 pm
They fit right in,don't they, I think elf and safety would demand some street lights though,bet they're on the to do list.

Well, the village where the original buildings are to be found has no street lighting to this day. I grew up in London and one of the things I remember about childhood visits to the village is looking up at the night sky and seeing the Milky Way and hundreds of stars which were invisible in London. There are no telegraph poles, either.

I could, perhaps, add one or two lamps in the station approach road and one definite need at the junction with the main road is a direction sign. One arm will point to Borchester - not the Archers place but one of the layouts I remember loving when I was a kid, seeing it at Central Hall, Westminster.

Incidentally the current (March) issue of BRM features vintage layouts including Borchester and Buckingham. Best of all, an article about Dave and Shirley Rowe whose work must have inspired many modellers. There's lots of Dave's work in his book "Architectural Modelling in 4mm Scale". Not all of his methods would be feasible in 2mm, but the photos of his work are inspirational.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 06, 2018, 08:42:07 pm
Thanks for the heads-up on the BRM, Roger. I'll keep an eye out for it here. I too am a huge fan of Denny's Buckingham branch and also Borchester. It's great that those layouts have been preserved.

The article on the Rowes sounds interesting, too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on February 06, 2018, 10:56:48 pm
Cracking photo of the new additions Roger. So lifelike.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Ben A on February 07, 2018, 09:23:23 am

Hi there,

Great work. Thanks for taking the time to post photos - very inspirational!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 09, 2018, 11:04:48 pm
Iíve been playing with couplings and corridor connectors again, but first a picture from last week with Gresley coaches still fitted with standard couplings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-090218230139.jpeg)

I gave up on the knuckle couplers that came in the box with the Gresley coaches and Iíve now tried using GraFar short couplings instead. I found that I had to leave the original coupling on one side of each pair. That allowed enough room for the corridor connectors to fit in once they had been reduced in length. In this double photo the left hand shot shows the original couplings in place and the right hand one shows the shortened version. Looks a bit better but the couplings are very reluctant to stay together and I had to use tacky wax to prevent random uncoupling.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-090218230224.jpeg)

Frustrating business, getting the trains right. Iím much happier making buildings!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 09, 2018, 11:17:57 pm
I had the same problem with my Gresleys,my solution was to cut off the hook part of the coupling and replace it with a hook and eye system made from electric guitar string, it works fine if you have a fixed rake.

Regards   Bill
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 09, 2018, 11:38:26 pm
I had the same problem with my Gresleys,my solution was to cut off the hook part of the coupling and replace it with a hook and eye system made from electric guitar string, it works fine if you have a fixed rake.

Regards   Bill

I've been thinking about trying some sort of hook and bar or hook and loop idea for fixed rakes too. I'm not rushing to do the six coach rake of teak finished coaches but there are couple of four coach sets to play with - the blood and custards shown in the photo and a set in maroon. Maybe one of those could be subject to experimentation...

Another thing that frustrates me with these coaches is that they don't line up properly with one another. Look down a rake and one or two coaches will look to be slightly offset from their neighbours. I assume this is because the couplings aren't attached to the bogies but are separately pivoted. Does anyone else see this problem?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 10, 2018, 08:17:31 am
I have a dozen of the Dapol Gresleys so maybe I should get them out and have a squint :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 10, 2018, 08:23:25 am
Make sure you use your good eye, buddy  ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 11, 2018, 04:04:24 pm

Another thing that frustrates me with these coaches is that they don't line up properly with one another. Look down a rake and one or two coaches will look to be slightly offset from their neighbours. I assume this is because the couplings aren't attached to the bogies but are separately pivoted. Does anyone else see this problem?


@rogerdB (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299)
Firstly if I may address the gap between the coaches. I've put my 8 carmine/cream ones together and there's only approx 4mm between the coach ends. They are straight from the box i.e. no couplings altered. Having had a squint down the rake they are not all in alignment so I see what you mean :hmmm:. See what you think..........
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/264-110218155149-61793565.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/264-110218155233-617942499.jpeg)

The rake is made up of NC-059C, NC-059D (2 of), NC-060C, NC-060B, NC-060D, 2P-011-251 and 2P-011-351
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on February 11, 2018, 07:37:52 pm
The couplings are very reluctant to stay together and I had to use tacky wax to prevent random uncoupling

I have a rake of secondhand Gresleys that drive me mad like this!
I thought it was because the couplings are tired, but it would seem not.
I've been meaning to try some tacky wax....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 11, 2018, 09:09:51 pm
I've put my 8 carmine/cream ones together and there's only approx 4mm between the coach ends. They are straight from the box i.e. no couplings altered. Having had a squint down the rake they are not all in alignment so I see what you mean :hmmm:. See what you think..........

Yes, that's pretty much the same as mine. I've tried re-arranging the rake, coaches in a different order, turning round the ones that seem out of line, but always get the same effect. Frustrating. Thanks for doing the test. I wonder if adding a little extra weight to the rear coach would help straighten the line, though perhaps not too kind to the loco...

I have a rake of secondhand Gresleys that drive me mad like this!
I thought it was because the couplings are tired, but it would seem not.
I've been meaning to try some tacky wax....

With the original couplings I don't get a problem. It was when I fitted the short couplings at one end of each coach that they started parting company with one another. I've tacky waxed a 4-coach rake and that has solved the problem, so give it try.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 12, 2018, 11:22:59 pm
Some small additions to the station forecourt - a telephone box tucked into a corner under the canopy and a couple of passengers. They're visiting a friend who lives near the village. He collects old cars and has come to pick them up with his beautifully restored 1920s Austin taxi.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-120218231625.jpeg)

Not that these additions are visible from the front of the layout, of course! With the camera sitting in the road here's a second view.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-120218231646.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 12, 2018, 11:30:17 pm
Great  pictures! I like the phone booth tucked under the canopy.  :thumbsup:

On a slightly different topic Roger, I notice that the misalignment of the Gresley coaches you mentioned in a previous post is also apparent in the view along NPN's rake of the same.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 13, 2018, 08:53:57 pm
Great  pictures! I like the phone booth tucked under the canopy.  :thumbsup:

On a slightly different topic Roger, I notice that the misalignment of the Gresley coaches you mentioned in a previous post is also apparent in the view along NPN's rake of the same.

Thanks George. Yes, it was good of NPN to post his picture - it's nice to know it's not just my coaches that behave like that! I wonder if anyone has a solution to the problem.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on February 13, 2018, 11:21:37 pm
Looking good there at the station scene, that is a wierd problem with the coaches out of line. It has to be the bogies that are not possibly running free, you could try swapping some bogies around to see what happens and see if you can eliminate the problem.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on February 14, 2018, 08:29:10 am
Both my Collett rakes do the same, my guess is that the bogie retaining pin hole in the carriage underframe is not quite central on some mouldings, will have to investigate.   :hmmm:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 14, 2018, 09:09:02 am
Both my Collett rakes do the same, my guess is that the bogie retaining pin hole in the carriage underframe is not quite central on some mouldings, will have to investigate.   :hmmm:

Drat. Now I've got 14 Colletts to have a look at :doh:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 14, 2018, 10:51:39 am
Looking good there at the station scene, that is a wierd problem with the coaches out of line. It has to be the bogies that are not possibly running free, you could try swapping some bogies around to see what happens and see if you can eliminate the problem.

Perhaps I should never have mentioned this problem!!!

I don't think it's the bogies that cause it. The coupling isn't mounted on them but on a separately pivoted 'arm' which appears to have a self-centreing spring. So the two can move independently. This pic shows how extreme the difference can be, though this is hardly likely to occur in normal use.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-140218103519.jpeg)

I'm wondering if the spring action not working properly is what is causing the problem. The bogie mounting area must be pretty complicated with the extra difficulty of the power pickups for the light bar and the separate coupling arm.

It is possible to line up the coaches manually and I just ran my Scotsman and six-coach train for a few laps round the layout. The coaches stayed in line for a while, but then slowly drifted out of alignment. Adding the corridor connectors seems to make the problem worse, by the way, but some experimentation may sort that one.

Anyway, today's job is to make some road signs, so hopefully a photo later...

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Foster on February 14, 2018, 12:24:19 pm
 My G F coaches used this type of coupler, which also fouled the bogies on the coach. I eventually removed the whole system, and replaced the bogies with ones with the coupler attached. I got shouted at by other N-gaugers, but it solved my problems, and the set lined up and ran nicely.  :)

Roy Low
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 14, 2018, 08:03:49 pm
My G F coaches used this type of coupler, which also fouled the bogies on the coach. I eventually removed the whole system, and replaced the bogies with ones with the coupler attached. I got shouted at by other N-gaugers, but it solved my problems, and the set lined up and ran nicely.  :)

Roy Low

Roy - I think the problem with the Gresleys would be that the bogies have pickups for light bars. Losing them wouldn't bother me much but might annoy a possible future owner!

Rather than spend too much time worrying about the problem I've been making a couple of road signs. I think we decided much earlier in this thread that the road bridge isn't really that narrow, but I couldn't resist trying to make some signs warning that it is. The posts are pins from the needlework box. It seems they come in various lengths so I chose the longest ones I could find. The actual signs were from an image I found online and scaled down to what I thought was the right size. I printed them on heavy photo paper. Some very careful cutting with a fresh blade in the scalpel followed. With the sign glued to the post I ran some red and black paint round the edges.

The resident who was picking up some friends from the station is heading home with them. Can't see him, though. Perhaps this 1920s taxi is an early prototype self-driving car.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-140218195334.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on February 14, 2018, 08:17:31 pm
The sign's come out really well Roger. Very professional looking.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 14, 2018, 08:21:24 pm
I'm quite sure you're up on this but Sankeys do a great range of signage for many end uses..........

http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/products/4551052546 (http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/products/4551052546)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 14, 2018, 09:01:29 pm
Excellent job as always, Roger.  :thumbsup:

Regarding the other issue, when I saw your picture of the bogie, I immediately thought that the pick ups probably had something to do with it.

However, Roy sorted his by messing with the couplings!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: sp1 on February 14, 2018, 09:10:11 pm
My G F coaches used this type of coupler, which also fouled the bogies on the coach. I eventually removed the whole system, and replaced the bogies with ones with the coupler attached. I got shouted at by other N-gaugers, but it solved my problems, and the set lined up and ran nicely.  :)

Roy Low

Roy - I think the problem with the Gresleys would be that the bogies have pickups for light bars. Losing them wouldn't bother me much but might annoy a possible future owner!

Rather than spend too much time worrying about the problem I've been making a couple of road signs. I think we decided much earlier in this thread that the road bridge isn't really that narrow, but I couldn't resist trying to make some signs warning that it is. The posts are pins from the needlework box. It seems they come in various lengths so I chose the longest ones I could find. The actual signs were from an image I found online and scaled down to what I thought was the right size. I printed them on heavy photo paper. Some very careful cutting with a fresh blade in the scalpel followed. With the sign glued to the post I ran some red and black paint round the edges.

The resident who was picking up some friends from the station is heading home with them. Can't see him, though. Perhaps this 1920s taxi is an early prototype self-driving car.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6299-140218195334.jpeg[/url])

Still canít believe this is N!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 14, 2018, 10:03:08 pm
Masterful modelling and photography.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 14, 2018, 10:22:29 pm
I'm quite sure you're up on this but Sankeys do a great range of signage for many end uses..........

[url]http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/products/4551052546[/url] ([url]http://www.sankeyscenics.co.uk/products/4551052546[/url])

But isn't it more satisfying when you make something yourself?!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 17, 2018, 10:44:55 pm
A bit more weathering done. Looking at some prototypes I did wonder if I could make these even dirtier than they are, but perhaps less is more.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-170218224308.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 18, 2018, 08:06:13 am
Non passenger coaching stock- go for it !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 18, 2018, 10:47:54 am
Excellent weathering. I think 'less is more' works very well in 2MM Scale; enough weathering and dirt to highlight the details whilst still looking realistic. In a typical NPCCS train, the vehicles could range from ex-works to filthy dirty with all stages in-between. The BR SR ex-SR CCTs seem to have never been cleaned so, in the most extreme cases, could appear in an all over dirt brown!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 18, 2018, 12:00:54 pm
I guess no one bothered to clean parcels stock as there is no paying passenger to look out of any windows. As a consequence my memories of full brakes, bogie vans, CCTs etc were all like a sepia shot, and would explain why I purchase the weathered version wherever available.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 18, 2018, 12:06:41 pm
Iíd go for a little dirtier.
Just my memories of not beng able to determine the underlying colour.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 18, 2018, 01:26:40 pm
Thanks for the comments. I've just splashed a bit more dirt onto them. Hopefully I'll have time to take a photo later, but the windows of my house match those of the CCTs and cleaning some of them is probably the priority for this afternoon!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 18, 2018, 01:27:00 pm
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1051/5101172225_7fd341acdc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8LLQMg)08714 (https://flic.kr/p/8LLQMg) by Steve Jones (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/), on Flickr

Yes, they pre-dated BARRY SCOTT!!! by a good few years ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 18, 2018, 01:28:37 pm
But they're not quite that dirty, Steve!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 18, 2018, 01:32:39 pm
Yes, that's an ex-SR CCT in filthy brown!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 18, 2018, 02:32:59 pm
That pic of Steve's brings back memories :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 18, 2018, 10:22:51 pm
As anticipated I had a busy afternoon. But the windows are cleaner than they were this morning...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-180218221116.jpeg)

...and the CCTs and horse box are a bit dirtier.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-180218221031.jpeg)

Hopefully they're dirty enough now.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Yet_Another on February 18, 2018, 10:40:47 pm
Very nice - er - nasty - er - nice!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 19, 2018, 10:01:56 am
As anticipated I had a busy afternoon. But the windows are cleaner than they were this morning...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-180218221116.jpeg[/url])



You missed a bit! :P ;)


...and the CCTs and horse box are a bit dirtier.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-180218221031.jpeg[/url])

Hopefully they're dirty enough now.


Getting there :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 19, 2018, 10:23:48 am
Thanks for the update. I suspect that horse boxes were kept much cleaner than parcels carrying stock so prefer the original weathering for that vehicle.

I think the BR Blue CCT has a bit too much dirt around the central window but, if you're working from a photo., I'm wrong.

For the BR SR Green CCT, I'd add a little more dirt all over the body.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 19, 2018, 11:09:40 pm
Another day of window cleaning and washing and ironing net curtains. Such fun. So only time for another quick go at those CCTs and horse box. Still not right, but given that they've spent their lives sitting in the fiddle yard - apart from when they're being painted - I think this will have to do.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-190218225601.jpeg)

They look different in the photo to how they looked under the 'daylight' lamp in the magnifying light, and different again when viewed in normal room light.

I do feel happier making buildings than painting the trains! Sadly there are no empty building plots in Wrenton and I'm getting withdrawal symptoms...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 19, 2018, 11:34:34 pm
I'm pretty sure there are a few members here who would be very happy for you to knock up a few buildings for them, Roger!   ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 20, 2018, 07:12:31 am
For me, I think you've now got the weathering of these three just about right, Roger.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 20, 2018, 10:33:47 am
I'm pretty sure there are a few members here who would be very happy for you to knock up a few buildings for them, Roger!   ;)

Well George, I have been thinking about a new project which would need plenty of buildings. Haven't got space for another proper layout but I would like to do an urban scene reminiscent of the North London I grew up in. So the current thinking is a small module, perhaps 3' x 2', with very little railway on it. Just a double track on an embankment running left to right and crossing a shopping street running from front to back with side road(s) behind the tracks. Hopefully made so that it could be connected to other modules with different types of scene. I've only got as far as thinking about the idea though I have made a couple of paper mock-ups of terraced houses. It may never happen, so don't hold your breath!

For me, I think you've now got the weathering of these three just about right, Roger.

Thanks for the guidance, Chris.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 20, 2018, 09:46:46 pm
Sounds great! You'd have to be getting some metropolitan stock to pose on it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 23, 2018, 05:31:24 pm
A small addition to the layout yesterday - a sign post. Left for Buckingham, right for Borchester! A fiddly thing to make, this is my second attempt, deemed to be necessary after I looked at a photo of the first try. Cameras are so cruel! I've also added a driver to the old taxi. Shame he can't be seen.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-230218172556.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2018, 05:40:48 pm
Thank you. Excellent work and a great photo.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on February 23, 2018, 05:52:42 pm
Lovely stuff!

A great modelling talent.  :thumbsup:

Dave G

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on February 23, 2018, 06:54:46 pm
Fantastic street scene, hard to believe it's N
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on February 23, 2018, 06:59:13 pm
Sign looks great
Did you use the Portrait cutter at all for this?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 23, 2018, 07:15:20 pm
As ever, brilliant modelling.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 23, 2018, 08:12:37 pm
Sign looks great
Did you use the Portrait cutter at all for this?

For once, no, I did it all myself! The lettering was printed onto paper which was fixed to a bit 20x40 plastic strip to form the arms. The post is built up as a sandwich, two pieces of 10x40 with pieces of 20x40 between them, one tiny one above the arms and the other below. The arm pointing towards the station was super glued onto the post. Hope that's clear... Now you know why it took a couple of tries before I got it right!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 24, 2018, 08:31:22 pm
Another little detail, not as fiddly as the finger post. The cyclists seen coming down Church Hill  (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg490043#msg490043 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg490043#msg490043)) came with a third fellow traveller. He was rather brightly dressed but after a visit to the Wrenton Weathering Workshop he's now ready to take to the road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-240218202403.jpeg)

This shot was taken using the mirror box described in another earlier post (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg475701#msg475701 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg475701#msg475701)).
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 24, 2018, 08:36:03 pm
Another great shot, Roger. It just keeps getting better!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on February 24, 2018, 08:37:53 pm
 :greatpicturessign: are we sure this is actually a model? Superb
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 24, 2018, 08:39:09 pm
I canít believe how good this is. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: NeMo on February 24, 2018, 09:04:01 pm
Another great shot, Roger. It just keeps getting better!  :thumbsup:


So much this!

Seriously, I'm about ready to give up railway modelling. You've won. I can't imagine making anything even one-twentieth as good at what you do, @rogerdB (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299).

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on February 24, 2018, 09:12:03 pm
Seriously, I'm about ready to give up railway modelling. You've won. I can't imagine making anything even one-twentieth as good at what you do, @rogerdB ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299[/url]).
Don't forget that Roger is a serious modeller and photographer with a bolt-on railway, whereas most of us mere mortals are railway modellers with bolt on scenics.  However, it's still outstanding!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 24, 2018, 09:17:18 pm
When excellence is the norm,what's it like when you surpass yourself ? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on February 24, 2018, 10:21:48 pm
Roger,
Thanks for the explanation on the making of the post. having admired your amazing modelling, I have just invested in a Portrait cutter myself and would be interested to hear of anything that you have found it useful for over and above the creation of your wonderful buildings.
Delboy.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 24, 2018, 11:06:21 pm
Roger,
Thanks for the explanation on the making of the post. having admired your amazing modelling, I have just invested in a Portrait cutter myself and would be interested to hear of anything that you have found it useful for over and above the creation of your wonderful buildings.
Delboy.

Welcome to the Portrait club, Dennis!

I think I put a few ideas on the Cottage for Wrenton thread but, basically, if it needs cutting from thin plasticard and if I need more than one, or it's going to be fiddly to cut by hand, then I tend to use the machine. The lineside fencing (several yards of it!), the footbridge, the war memorial and the various items in the church yard were all cut with it. I think window frames would be too fine to cut, but I did use it for the canopy on the road side of the station building and for the large glazed areas on the railway side of the main building and the shelter on the other platform. The church windows were the most impressive use of it, I think. I'm sure I couldn't have cut one window accurately by hand, yet alone produce several identical ones.

I hope you get on well with the machine and I look forward to seeing what you make with it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 26, 2018, 08:24:55 pm
Time for another picture with a train! The CCTs and horsebox which recently went through several stages of weathering are having a run behind an immaculate loco. Not sure if CCTs and the Mk1 full brake bringing up the rear would be a feasible formation in real life?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-260218201832.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on February 26, 2018, 08:34:05 pm
Thanks for the photo Roger.
The BR Class 5 is a superb model - one of my favourites. I must  get mine out to give it a run.
Yours complements your terrific scenery really well.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 26, 2018, 08:45:46 pm
The BR Class 5 is a superb model - one of my favourites. I must get mine out to give it a run.

Ditto, Martin. It's been far too long since my 73068 (BR Lined Green Late Crest BR1C Tender) put in an appearance.

I think that is quite a feasible formation of NPCCS. Thanks for another great photo.

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on February 27, 2018, 12:04:10 pm
A BG would not be an issue with CCT's in a parcels train.  Up to around 1982 the 12:10 Penzance - Crewe vans could contain a right mixed bag including former LMS BG's, BR CCT's, former SR CCT's/PMV's, BR GUV's and BR BG's and possibly even the odd ex SR bogie van.  It became a Class 3 working and was only permitted to convey bogie stock only and became the 12:10 Penzance - Glasgow, which for a time (1982/83) was noted for producing the occasional Class 40 from Bristol to Crewe running via the Severn Tunnel and Hereford.  The formation of which was then limited to BR GUV's & BG's.  I've also seen photo's of steam and early diesel hauled parcel workings that even contained XP rated 2 axle short wheel base vans in the formation.
Whilst most of my info relates to a far later timeframe than your excellent layout, I hope that some of it may be of interest.
John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 27, 2018, 12:31:12 pm
Thanks John, I get away with that one, then. It would be good to lengthen that train but it's currently a perfect fit in one of the spur roads in the fiddle yard!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 27, 2018, 12:54:56 pm
I tend to throw anything into a parcels rake, as witnessed in this Southampton to Oxford working slowing for a signal.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 27, 2018, 01:21:05 pm
I tend to throw anything into a parcels rake, as witnessed in this Southampton to Oxford working slowing for a signal.....

Certainly a good mix there! I suppose I ought to be thinking about shooting some video...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2018, 04:04:57 pm
I tend to throw anything into a parcels rake, as witnessed in this Southampton to Oxford working slowing for a signal.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0)

A very good mix of types, Nobby, and quite realistic apart from the SR parcels stock still in Southern Railways livery as opposed to BR SR Green.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 27, 2018, 04:10:23 pm
I tend to throw anything into a parcels rake, as witnessed in this Southampton to Oxford working slowing for a signal.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79rs4ls0e5vlm4i/Farish%2033%20on%20parcels%20with%20Warship%20on%20coal%20freight.MOV?dl=0)

A very good mix of types, Nobby, and quite realistic apart from the SR parcels stock still in Southern Railways livery as opposed to BR SR Green.

Thanks, Chris. I tend to believe all manner and age of vehicles were pressed into parcels service, hence the weathered LMS 50ft full brake at the front of the train too.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: GScaleBruce on February 27, 2018, 04:14:08 pm
Not sure if CCTs and the Mk1 full brake bringing up the rear would be a feasible formation in real life?
You need a BG in there somewhere so that the guard has somewhere to ride. I'm not sure what accommodation the horse box provides, but neither of the CCTs would have guard's accommodation. As they all have continuous vacuum brakes, the order is not especially important.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 27, 2018, 04:22:48 pm
Not sure if CCTs and the Mk1 full brake bringing up the rear would be a feasible formation in real life?
You need a BG in there somewhere so that the guard has somewhere to ride.

Isn't that the full brake bringing up the rear? - only the roof is visible in the photo as I wanted to show the CCTs and Horse Box.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 27, 2018, 04:45:30 pm
The SR also had PMVs and Bogie B's in which the guard could ride (both available in N Gauge), which is why BR SR got BR Standard BGs comparatively late.

The weathered LMS 50ft full brake at the front of the train is in BR Crimson livery, Nobby, so is fine. (I have one, too.)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: GScaleBruce on February 27, 2018, 05:05:24 pm
Not sure if CCTs and the Mk1 full brake bringing up the rear would be a feasible formation in real life?
You need a BG in there somewhere so that the guard has somewhere to ride.
Isn't that the full brake bringing up the rear? - only the roof is visible in the photo as I wanted to show the CCTs and Horse Box.
You asked whether it was a feasible formation, and I confirmed that it wasn't only feasible but indeed essential.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 27, 2018, 05:47:21 pm
I found an old and very basic tripod pan/tilt head and have fixed it to a crude device which sits on the top of the back scene. Two bits of strip wood are held together by a couple of small pieces of ply. The wood which is in contact with the front of the back scene has a piece of felt glued to it to prevent damaging the painted sky.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-270218173611.jpeg)

It will allow some new camera angles which would otherwise be difficult to achieve. Here's a sample:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-270218173653.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on February 27, 2018, 09:01:23 pm
Heath Robinson would be proud, Roger but, hey, it works :)
Now........does your camera have a video function? ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on February 27, 2018, 09:19:30 pm
Ingenious, and yet another great picture!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 27, 2018, 09:22:53 pm
Now........does your camera have a video function? ;)

It does, but I'd like to make a proper presentation with lots of editing. My broadcasting background, though not in TV, would make anything less unacceptable to me! I haven't got any video editing software at present so 'Wrenton, The Movie' will have to wait for a while.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on February 27, 2018, 10:40:23 pm
Wrenton the Movie......I'll look forward to that !
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on February 28, 2018, 06:28:05 am
It does, but I'd like to make a proper presentation with lots of editing. My broadcasting background, though not in TV, would make anything less unacceptable to me! I haven't got any video editing software at present so 'Wrenton, The Movie' will have to wait for a while.
I Use Wondershare Filmora.  It's cheap and effective and I haven't used half of its capability yet.  It's available to download.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on February 28, 2018, 08:14:22 pm
I Use Wondershare Filmora.  It's cheap and effective and I haven't used half of its capability yet.  It's available to download.

Thanks for the suggestion, Laurence. I found a demo on YouTube and it looks pretty good and probably not too difficult to learn. I hope the Chinese authors havenít planted any nasties in the codeÖ

Iíve used Premiere Elements in the past, mainly because it came pre-loaded on a previous rather expensive Sony laptop. I donít know how similar the current version is but if itís not too different it might be a less steep learning curve than starting with a new program. As my current computer is getting unreliable a new machine might have to come before any editing software. So Wrenton, the Movie might take as long as a Hollywood epic!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on March 03, 2018, 02:05:14 pm
I tend to throw anything into a parcels rake, as witnessed in this Southampton to Oxford working slowing for a signal.....

Passing the Lancashire Keys I see. I'd heard of the Florida Keys, but this is a new one on me  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 03, 2018, 09:21:24 pm
Another shot with the camera mounted on the backscene. The goods yard needs a bit more clutter, I think, and I've been painting a Peco wagon kit to become a grounded van which will go to the right of the goods shed in this shot. The gardens of the railway cottages in the foreground need something more, too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-030318211235.jpeg)

Moving along a bit gives this view of the rest of the goods yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-030318211911.jpeg)

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2018, 09:30:30 pm
I'm sure you'll be adding some human life to both gardens and goods area and think that will bring things to life a bit more.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2018, 09:36:22 pm
Nice to see a scratch built goods shed. Even though the Ratio one is a lovely little kit, you do tend to see a lot of them.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 03, 2018, 09:56:20 pm
I'm sure you'll be adding some human life to both gardens and goods area and think that will bring things to life a bit more.

How many people would be in a small goods yard? I was thinking of a couple of guys taking a break and perched on one of the crates near the crane, and the cattle dock probably needs a figure too. I think my platforms have too many passengers for a small station, but perhaps it's rush hour! But I agree that figures do add to a scene.

It's interesting that some visitors looking at the layout spend ages exploring the village looking for little details and aren't in the least bit interested in the trains!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on March 03, 2018, 10:00:42 pm
A bit like Minatur Wunderland, Roger. There's so much else going on, the trains are almost irrelevant!  ;D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2018, 10:02:51 pm
As far as houses/gardens go, I have seen many layouts with a window cleaner up a ladder, swings/washing lines etc in the garden along with the odd dog. I think it depends on the 'clutter' you use in the goods area but I'd suggest some pipes, crates and maybe some milk churns even. One or two guys having a ciggie or reading a newspaper while taking a break, although such figures may be the more expensive type from the likes of Preiser/Noch etc. Cheapie figures tend to look like something out of a bad zombie film :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 03, 2018, 11:20:39 pm
As far as houses/gardens go, I have seen many layouts with a window cleaner up a ladder, swings/washing lines etc in the garden along with the odd dog. I think it depends on the 'clutter' you use in the goods area but I'd suggest some pipes, crates and maybe some milk churns even. One or two guys having a ciggie or reading a newspaper while taking a break, although such figures may be the more expensive type from the likes of Preiser/Noch etc. Cheapie figures tend to look like something out of a bad zombie film :goggleeyes:

Thanks for the ideas Nobby.

I've used quite a lot of Preiser models from one of their sets of 120 unpainted figures both around the village and on the platforms. They're nice models but they do look a bit too small, especially up against 1:148 figures. And the very devil to paint! I don't think there's a window cleaner in that set. I did think about using a guard from a set of platform figures but he would probably need surgery to get his upraised arm at the right angle to be cleaning a window!

There are three gardens with washing lines already so I'm trying to avoid another one. One of my uncles had a lovely octagonal gazebo in his garden and I have thought of modelling that, but it would be quite a challenge...

Something to think about tomorrow!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 05, 2018, 12:11:22 pm
A grounded van has appeared in the goods yard. I used the body from a Peco kit with four lengths of 40 thou square strip to support it. A couple more bits of plasticard form steps on the far side. I added a little static grass around it, but not so much that you can't see that it's standing clear of the ground. Makes a nice addition, I think, for less than a fiver.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-050318115843.jpeg)

Also new is the guard rail by the weighbridge.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-050318115946.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Delboy on March 05, 2018, 12:20:35 pm
Hi Roger,
The van looks excellent. It has obviously been there for years.
Dennis.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on March 05, 2018, 12:53:52 pm
Very good. Are you sure Andrew @Milton Rail (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4934) is not in there with his layout ;D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on March 05, 2018, 12:57:45 pm
Weathering looks good on the Std 4 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 05, 2018, 01:08:06 pm
Weathering looks good on the Std 4 :thumbsup:

Wish it was my work! I bought the loco from TMC and it's their heavy weathering option. It adds £30 to the price but I think it's worth it. They also add real coal for £10. Usual disclaimer.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on March 05, 2018, 04:39:48 pm
I picked up one of TMCs weathered Austerity at Modelrail Scotland in Glasgow. Their weathering is quite impressive.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 05, 2018, 04:59:44 pm
I picked up one of TMCs weathered Austerity at Modelrail Scotland in Glasgow. Their weathering is quite impressive.

Agreed. I've had several locos from them and have always been pleased with the weathering. I certainly wouldn't buy any more factory weathered models.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on March 05, 2018, 05:56:13 pm
Very good. Are you sure Andrew @Milton Rail ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4934[/url]) is not in there with his layout ;D


Thanks Mick, would be a treat to have the van located somewhere so stunning :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Pete Smith on March 05, 2018, 06:36:02 pm
Ooo like inception, a layout within a layout within a layout within...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on March 05, 2018, 06:51:45 pm
It's interesting that some visitors looking at the layout spend ages exploring the village looking for little details and aren't in the least bit interested in the trains!

I remember helping to operate one of our club layouts (a big one 12' x 12') and all this woman could talk about was the cabbages on the allottment's at the front!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 07, 2018, 05:17:51 pm
No jobs done in the last couple of days except for making some improvements to the covers over the fiddle yard. Not worth a photo! So here is one I made earlier.

It's a warm summer afternoon. The goods yard staff have prepared a couple of wagons for the evening pick-up train. And now they've gone into the office for a cuppa. Even the men in the coal yard have gone home, there being not much to do at this time of year. So all is quiet except for the moo-ing of the cattle awaiting collection by a local farmer...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-070318171051.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2018, 05:23:03 pm
No jobs done in the last couple of days except for making some improvements to the covers over the fiddle yard. Not worth a photo! So here is one I made earlier.

It's a warm summer afternoon. The goods yard staff have prepared a couple of wagons for the evening pick-up train. And now they've gone into the office for a cuppa. Even the men in the coal yard have gone home, there being not much to do at this time of year. So all is quiet except for the moo-ing of the cattle awaiting collection by a local farmer...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-070318171051.jpeg[/url])


A superb photo. of highly realistic painting and subtle weathering. The wagon tarpaulin is really realistic.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 08, 2018, 10:30:42 pm
One or two guys having a ciggie or reading a newspaper while taking a break, although such figures may be the more expensive type from the likes of Preiser/Noch etc.

Couldn't do the ciggies but these chaps are having a chat. Not sure if the approaching boss is about to tick them off for idling or to tell them of an approaching train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-080318222610.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Webbo on March 09, 2018, 05:34:15 am
Roger

Both the above photos show superb depth of field and wonderful modelling. Did you use a very slow shutter speed to get the depth of field?

Webbo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on March 09, 2018, 09:38:26 am
Every time I look at this I think about giving up in despair. Joking but amazing work and something to aim at. I am presently trying to come up with a decent cattle dock. I have built a P&D Marsh but not happy with it. I have the kit for the Ratio but it does seem very fiddly. Is yours a kit or scratch built?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on March 09, 2018, 09:39:18 am
PS what did you use for the goods yard surface?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 09, 2018, 10:25:56 am
Both the above photos show superb depth of field and wonderful modelling. Did you use a very slow shutter speed to get the depth of field?

Webbo - I use a method called focus stacking. If you go to page 19 of this thread there is a some discussion of the technique there. I gather some people disapprove of the method but my feeling is that having gone to the trouble of trying to create a realistic scene it makes sense to photograph in a way that also looks realistic. I think if that had been a real scene on a fine sunny day that's the depth of field that you'd get.

It does need a decent camera, a sturdy tripod and a good image editing program - and lots of time. I reckon if I can get three shots completed in an afternoon I've done well. But with the layout at an advanced stage I can justify the time!

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 09, 2018, 10:33:27 am
Every time I look at this I think about giving up in despair. Joking but amazing work and something to aim at. I am presently trying to come up with a decent cattle dock. I have built a P&D Marsh but not happy with it. I have the kit for the Ratio but it does seem very fiddly. Is yours a kit or scratch built?

Well, I'm glad you're joking! I'm not very good with kits and would normally scratch build. But the Ratio kit was one of the first things I bought when I started the layout and it seemed a shame to waste it. I had to butcher it a bit. If you look at the second photo on the previous page you can see that a corner has been cut off to get it to fit between two tracks. I also covered the base with the same brick paper that I used on the other railway buildings. I thought that tied it in with the rest of the structures. But it wasn't too difficult to make.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 09, 2018, 10:45:36 am
PS what did you use for the goods yard surface?

Good question! It's just the cork underlay that the tracks are sitting on. I'd put it over most of the intended goods yard area - just as well I did as I changed the positions and lengths of the sidings a bit when I came to work on that section of the layout. I did have to make a join to the plaster road surfaces, though. You can see where a join is in the first photo on the previous page, just in front of the coal lorry and running up to the shed office. But that may be where I patched in some extra cork and the join to plaster might be further to the right. Can't remember now, must be getting old...

There's some grey paint on the cork, of course, but there are hints of the original colour showing through to give a bit more texture.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 10, 2018, 09:56:05 pm
Taken this afternoon with the camera screwed to a length of 2" by 1" clamped to the tripod. Very risky for the models below, but it gives a nice view down onto the cattle dock and coal siding. And a better rendition of the ballast colours than in most shots.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-100318215133.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 10, 2018, 10:17:17 pm
Many thanks for this great photo. showing your superb scenic work. Really outstanding work.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Masher69 on March 11, 2018, 09:57:44 am
Excellent shot. I'm having a go at the kit so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 11, 2018, 11:35:33 am
Excellent shot. I'm having a go at the kit so fingers crossed.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 12, 2018, 08:58:16 pm
While the camera was perched precariously over the layout I moved it along for a different view up Church Hill. Hope you're not getting bored with this corner of the village!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-120318205531.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2018, 09:06:33 pm
Bored? Never! This is as good as Pendon. Superb.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on March 12, 2018, 10:44:27 pm
Keep 'em coming,eye candy such as this is rare.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JohnN on March 12, 2018, 10:47:59 pm
Bored Roger? Definitely not when the modelling is this good.  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on March 13, 2018, 06:51:02 am
Those two cyclists are very good at track stands - they seem to have been there for weeks!  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on March 13, 2018, 07:18:08 am
Those two cyclists are very good at track stands - they seem to have been there for weeks!  :D

Like most things in life, balance is important!  :)

Lovely work Roger. A great talent.

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 13, 2018, 08:13:24 am
Those two cyclists are very good at track stands - they seem to have been there for weeks!  :D

I think they must live nearby. When they see the tripod being set up they grab their bikes and rush out to pose!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on March 13, 2018, 08:49:55 pm
Superb! It could be a picture postcard.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 16, 2018, 11:22:53 pm
I've been trying to add a bit of interest to the gardens of the railway cottages. Other jobs keep getting in the way, so not a lot of progress made this week. However I did manage to make this tiny building for one of the gardens.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-160318225504.jpeg)

I'm not sure what to call it! A gazebo, perhaps? Not sure if it qualifies - the OED states that a gazebo should give a wide view of the surrounding landscape which this building will not. It does remind me of a similar structure I knew in an aunt and uncleís garden and that didnít have much of a view either.

Whatever itís called it proved to be a tricky little build, in fact this was my second try. The components were mostly cut with the Silhouette machine so starting afresh wasnít too time consuming as it took only a few minutes to cut a new set of parts.

In addition to cutting out the main shapes the machine also scored the lines suggesting the wooden planks. I started by drawing the outlines of the walls with the Studio program used by the machine. Anyone wanting to try the program can download it for free from www.silhouetteamerica.com/software/silhouette-studio (http://www.silhouetteamerica.com/software/silhouette-studio).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-160318225630.jpeg)

I grouped these lines together as a single object and then added the lines representing the planks.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-160318225713.jpeg)

I grouped the new lines together as a separate object. I then deleted the outlines group (best to do a save before this stage!).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-160318225734.jpeg)

With a shallow blade depth setting I sent this to the machine. I then undid my delete of the outlines, deleted the planks lines, reset the blade depth to maximum and the machine then cut the wall shapes.

In addition to the walls I also cut hexagonal shapes for the floor, ceiling and a bench for the little people to sit on Ė I added a couple of figures and, after taking the photo, a small dog too. The roof needs a bit of weathering and I've still got more work to do on the gardens themselves. Further update soon, I hope!



Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on March 17, 2018, 06:35:36 am
Thanks for the instructive work description, Roger.  It is very much like an old country bus shelter, although that would have been oblong rather than hexagonal.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 17, 2018, 10:40:03 pm
The delivery men managed to hoist the gazebo over the garden fence and here it is in place:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-170318223418.jpeg)

I've added a few more flowers in both gardens, some dogs around the gazebo (not very well posed for this shot) and hung some rather brightly coloured shirts on the new washing line. That was fun to make! 30thou square plastic posts, 5 amp fuse wire for the line and shirts cut from paper.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on March 18, 2018, 08:51:04 am
Lovely work Roger, the garden looks very inviting
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on March 18, 2018, 08:59:37 am
The bar is at risk of becoming too high now........ lovely work Roger.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 18, 2018, 09:19:39 am
Lovely work. Thanks for the excellent photo.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 18, 2018, 10:14:33 am
Lovely bits of detail. Green with envy.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 20, 2018, 05:27:16 pm
Fancy a picture that actually  has some railway in it?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-200318172340.jpeg)

Taken from the back of the layout. The hard edge between grass and background trees is the front edge of the baseboard. My temporary background of trees and sky gets quite a bashing as I move it around for various shots and looks as though it needs a bit of TLC!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 21, 2018, 11:48:26 am
There's always a problem with perspective in backscenes when you view them from above as the horizon is in the wrong place. I haven't discovered a way of getting round this. Your device of using a temporary board is a useful way of providing something to stop the eye from falling off the edge of the layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 21, 2018, 12:09:51 pm
Many thanks for another great picture. The rolling stock is, IMHO, perfectly weathered. Not too dirty but not too clean to be unrealistic. The "FRUIT" vans and the open wagon with tarpaulin are superb.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 21, 2018, 02:27:11 pm
There's always a problem with perspective in backscenes when you view them from above as the horizon is in the wrong place. I haven't discovered a way of getting round this. Your device of using a temporary board is a useful way of providing something to stop the eye from falling off the edge of the layout.  :thumbsup:

I couldn't think of a way to handle the back of the layout effectively either. My solution was to assume the village backs on to woodland and line the whole back edge with trees. Not a very good solution, but it sort of works. And it took ages to make all those trees. I resisted the temptation to paint more distant trees on the background for the very reason you mention.

I know that standing in the village that inspired my buildings it's not possible to see any surrounding countryside, though the views from the top of the church tower reveal pleasantly undulating NE Essex countryside. But if I ever modelled a village near here (I'm a few miles west of you) I would have to include the South Downs in the background!

There's a beautifully produced book about the subject - "Creating a Backscene" by Paul Bambrick and John Ellis-Cockell. It covers all aspects including forced perspective. There are some lovely photos of models but I guess the choice of camera position is a major factor in making them look convincing just as much as the skill in creating them.

That temporary background does spare us the sight of wardrobe doors or worse! In one or two shots I've tried blending it into the layout edge using Photoshop, but that's cheating so I suppose I shouldn't really do it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 21, 2018, 03:12:01 pm
Yes, I've read Creating a Backscene and it's quite good but with some serious omissions and some rather confusing technical bits. The difficulty comes down to how high above the baseboard the eye level is and this varies dependent upon the height of the viewer. Generally you can fudge it by doing the false perspective trick, deciding where you want your horizon to appear on the backboard and fading the landscape in terms of colour and detail towards it.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 21, 2018, 04:54:23 pm
Yes, I've read Creating a Backscene and it's quite good but with some serious omissions and some rather confusing technical bits. The difficulty comes down to how high above the baseboard the eye level is and this varies dependent upon the height of the viewer. Generally you can fudge it by doing the false perspective trick, deciding where you want your horizon to appear on the backboard and fading the landscape in terms of colour and detail towards it.

Glad I'm not the only one to find parts of that book rather confusing. It is worth a look, though.

I like to encourage visitors to sit and watch the trains go by, which makes painted distant scenery unnecessary as their eyes are at about baseboard height, but they do keep insisting on standing up to look at the details along the village road!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 22, 2018, 10:01:35 am
If they're standing up to look at your wonderful detail they won't be noticing the backscene!  I'm at the moment doing a 24' backscene for the O gauge layout for Pett MRC.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 22, 2018, 10:56:48 am
If they're standing up to look at your wonderful detail they won't be noticing the backscene!  I'm at the moment doing a 24' backscene for the O gauge layout for Pett MRC.

Good point! Best of luck with 24' of backscene. More than just sky, I guess?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 22, 2018, 09:35:21 pm
Another little detail added. I thought a platelayers trolley would be a nice addition near the hut but the only wheels I have were the plastic Peco wagon ones recently replaced by metal ones. Much too large. So the plan changed to having a long unused trolley - well more a trailer I guess - with greenery growing over it to hide the lack of wheels. I painted it to look neglected and trying to get the tone right so that it didn't jump out from the area around it. Here it is in the background of this shot.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-220318212328.jpeg)

I think some rusty rails and rotten sleepers would look good here, but that will have to wait until I can find a reason to buy some Code 40!

A closer shot of the scene:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-220318212308.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 23, 2018, 09:35:53 am
Very realistic.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on March 23, 2018, 04:33:01 pm
Wot he said  :laughabovepost:

Every time I see this layout I want to put mine in the bin and start again!  :(
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on March 23, 2018, 05:20:19 pm
Wot he said  :laughabovepost:

Every time I see this layout I want to put mine in the bin and start again!  :(
I need a skill injection........ FAB-U-LOUS
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on March 23, 2018, 07:55:36 pm
One word!!!!!  "Inspirational!"
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 24, 2018, 10:33:32 pm
No new work done for a couple of days, though I did actually run some trains this morning. It's a pretty rare event so I thought it was time to give all the locos a few laps around the layout.

With nothing new to photograph here, instead, is another angle on THAT corner, seen this time from behind the layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-240318222538.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 25, 2018, 10:31:46 am
Many thanks for yet more wonderful photos. of superb scenic modelling which is so good that it could easily be mistaken for real-life.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 26, 2018, 10:36:03 pm
Having spent all day trying to sort several problems on my poorly computer I've only had time for a little experiment that may (but probably will not) lead to an addition to the layout. So here's one more shot of Church Hill, looking a bit further along than the previous view.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-260318223229.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on March 27, 2018, 08:46:38 am
You tease.  ???
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 27, 2018, 10:38:46 am
You tease.  ???

I do indeed! There are some very small components involved and if the idea works it will improve the lineside's appearance. More experiments needed...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on March 27, 2018, 11:08:24 am
Shadow of the drone that took the photo on the road, perhaps?  ;) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Jeremy Edwards on March 27, 2018, 11:19:32 am
Shadow of the drone that took the photo on the road, perhaps?  ;) :thumbsup:

Now that's an idea.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 27, 2018, 12:05:53 pm
Shadow of the drone that took the photo on the road, perhaps?  ;) :thumbsup:

Actually, I had to Photoshop that out of the picture.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on March 27, 2018, 10:33:33 pm
 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on March 27, 2018, 10:56:31 pm
Very Impressive pic, so good very inspiring.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 29, 2018, 09:07:22 pm
A shot taken with the camera sitting on the track. Yes, I did remember to switch off the layout power before placing the metal based camera on the rails!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-290318205107.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on March 29, 2018, 09:09:00 pm
This is a superb layout, very realistic  :thumbsup:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on March 29, 2018, 09:42:35 pm
Smashing shot, Roger.
Have you made the ground signal or bought it and, if the latter, where from please?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 29, 2018, 10:21:38 pm
Smashing shot, Roger.
Have you made the ground signal or bought it and, if the latter, where from please?

They're very crude, Mick. Bits of plasticard strip, rod and tiny cut-out parts made on the Silhouette machine. There's a bit about them here: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg477935#msg477935. (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg477935#msg477935.)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on March 29, 2018, 10:30:50 pm
Roger, Wrenton is looking beautiful as always. A bit of a random question: how tall is the layout, say, from track level to the top of the church? I'm struggling to get my head around the potential height of my purported layout with regard to my ability to get it in and out of the dining room. I'm working on the assumption that as the height increases, so does the fragility.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on March 29, 2018, 10:31:44 pm
P&D Marsh do N gauge ground signals Mick, either painted or unpainted
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P-D-Marsh-N-Gauge-N-Scale-B300-Ground-signals-5-castings-require-painting/370357835171?hash=item563b0c15a3:g:MhMAAOxycD9TXWKc (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P-D-Marsh-N-Gauge-N-Scale-B300-Ground-signals-5-castings-require-painting/370357835171?hash=item563b0c15a3:g:MhMAAOxycD9TXWKc)

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 29, 2018, 10:47:36 pm
Roger, Wrenton is looking beautiful as always. A bit of a random question: how tall is the layout, say, from track level to the top of the church? I'm struggling to get my head around the potential height of my purported layout with regard to my ability to get it in and out of the dining room. I'm working on the assumption that as the height increases, so does the fragility.

Pete, from baseboard top to church tower top is about 7". The background is 9" - it would have been better a bit taller for photography as I often have to clone in some extra sky.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PeteW on March 29, 2018, 11:26:56 pm
Thanks. Amazing isn't it - I'd assumed the church was about 9-10", or even higher. That's reassuring!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on March 29, 2018, 11:40:05 pm
Thanks. Amazing isn't it - I'd assumed the church was about 9-10", or even higher. That's reassuring!

The church may be smaller than some, though, thanks to a gale in 1658! The prototype used to have a spire but it tumbled down during that storm and was never rebuilt. I also reduced the overall size of the building by about 10% so if you're including a church you may find it's nearer to your estimate.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 30, 2018, 09:43:24 am
Thank you for another superb photo. That goods train could, easily, be a real one. Modelling a real-life building in slightly reduced size (e.g. 9/10) is an excellent tip.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 01, 2018, 01:17:53 pm
Same train as the previous shot but a bit further down the line. Can't keep that corner out of view, can I?!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-010418131008.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Maurits71 on April 01, 2018, 05:59:11 pm
nope you canít. itís a great point of view
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 03, 2018, 04:28:00 pm
Hot off the press - a new view of the Guildhall and Church taken this afternoon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-030418162311.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on April 03, 2018, 05:31:51 pm
Excellent. Itís hard to believe that itís a model.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on April 03, 2018, 05:45:48 pm
Amazing!

Great aerial view. Didn't know they did N Gauge drones!  :D

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on April 03, 2018, 05:46:58 pm
 :thankyousign:
Is there anyone else like me who suspects Roger has a drone and is actually photographing a real location and passing it off as his model?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on April 03, 2018, 05:47:43 pm
Amazing!

Great aerial view. Didn't know they did N Gauge drones!  :D

Dave G
Beat me to it Dave... ha ha
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: GScaleBruce on April 03, 2018, 06:08:32 pm
Wrenton's had better weather this afternoon than we have!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 03, 2018, 08:11:29 pm
:thankyousign:
Is there anyone else like me who suspects Roger has a drone and is actually photographing a real location and passing it off as his model?

Caught me out at last!

Wrenton's had better weather this afternoon than we have!

I almost added that comment to my post - Sussex was far from sunny this afternoon!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 04, 2018, 10:52:13 am
Time for another picture with a train! The CCTs and horsebox which recently went through several stages of weathering are having a run behind an immaculate loco. Not sure if CCTs and the Mk1 full brake bringing up the rear would be a feasible formation in real life?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6299-260218201832.jpeg[/url])

As NPCCS (Non-Passenger-Carrying Coaching Stock), they would surely have to have a passenger rated Brake Van, such as a Mark 1 BG, a Hawksworth Passenger Brake or even an ex-SR Van B?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 04, 2018, 11:19:45 am
As NPCCS (Non-Passenger-Carrying Coaching Stock), they would surely have to have a passenger rated Brake Van, such as a Mark 1 BG, a Hawksworth Passenger Brake or even an ex-SR Van B?

Only the roof of the fourth vehicle is visible but it is a Mk1 BG. So all is well!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 04, 2018, 08:08:48 pm
As NPCCS (Non-Passenger-Carrying Coaching Stock), they would surely have to have a passenger rated Brake Van, such as a Mark 1 BG, a Hawksworth Passenger Brake or even an ex-SR Van B?

Only the roof of the fourth vehicle is visible but it is a Mk1 BG. So all is well!
Yes, that's what I was trying to reassure you about.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 06, 2018, 04:41:39 pm
It's a while since I photographed the station end of the layout, so I've done a couple of new shots. Here's one to start with - number two still to go through the focus stacking process.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-060418163657.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Hailstone on April 06, 2018, 09:52:13 pm
Absolutely breath taking scenery - Is there any likelihood of you exhibiting it?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 06, 2018, 10:54:04 pm
Absolutely breath taking scenery - Is there any likelihood of you exhibiting it?

Thanks Alex. I don't have any plans to exhibit it - I think I'm a bit past the age when I want to transport the layout to shows, but it's good to share it here!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PhilD on April 06, 2018, 11:19:18 pm
Roger,
As always I'm astounded by the attention to detail in your layout and how realistic it is.

I note the call for articles from learned practitioners in the latest n Gauge magazine. Do you think you could put together an article(s) on some aspect of your layout e.g. use of the cutting machine, the making of the buildings, and I'm sure there are other aspects that the NGS membership would like to read about.

Could you give it some thought please? You could become an accomplished author!

Keep up the good work

Cheers

Phil
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on April 06, 2018, 11:24:30 pm
..
 I think I'm a bit past the age when I want to transport the layout to shows, but it's good to share it here!


 :hmmm: Just imagine the number of great layouts and models that, 20 years ago, went unseen by anyone other than the owners.

 :admiration: Praise the Gods of the Internet, and @Only Me (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) . :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 06, 2018, 11:32:33 pm
Do you think you could put together an article(s) on some aspect of your layout e.g. use of the cutting machine, the making of the buildings, and I'm sure there are other aspects that the NGS membership would like to read about.

Watch that space Phil...

  Praise the Gods of the Internet, and @Only Me ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328[/url]) . :D

Seconded!

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 08, 2018, 08:12:00 pm
Here's the second of the photos of the station end of Wrenton. I haven't posted a portrait format shot before, well not the size of this one...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6299-080418142632.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on April 08, 2018, 08:17:01 pm
Lovely, lovely work.
That coal lorry looks mighty similar to one seen at Trepol Bay earlier :)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 08, 2018, 08:27:39 pm
A simply superb photo. of amazingly realistic scenic work. A delight for the eyes.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on April 08, 2018, 08:42:28 pm
Oh that's a grand picture :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 08, 2018, 09:23:59 pm
Lovely, lovely work.
That coal lorry looks mighty similar to one seen at Trepol Bay earlier :)

Not the same though! I think Mr Cole's lorry is a Leyland FG flatbed.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on April 09, 2018, 06:51:37 pm
In a word "exquisite"  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on April 10, 2018, 09:53:25 pm
Yet another superb photo that could be the real thing  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: GreyWolf on April 11, 2018, 10:44:33 am
Absolutely exquisite work ... very much appreciate your sharing it with us! Would love to read an article or three in the journal about it!

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 13, 2018, 08:01:53 pm
Another portrait format shot, this time looking southwards. I took this one twice as the first try showed up a problem with the layout Ė something that had been annoying me for while.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-130418195756.jpeg)

The path leading to the signal box has been looking a bit odd with dark grass edging it Ė visible in the last shot. It was the result of trying to paint the path a bit darker going wrong! So I got a single edged razor blade and scraped away the offending grass. I thought Iíd have to paint the path again, or add some more grass, but decided it looked fine without doing either. The scraping left a nice bit of texture and I think texture and varying colours aid realism. Different shades of grass and foliage, small fluctuations of the colour of paths and roads help make the scene more believable, I think.

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on April 13, 2018, 08:16:57 pm
I see the cyclists are still practising their track stands ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 13, 2018, 08:29:56 pm
I see the cyclists are still practising their track stands ;)

Perhaps I need a policeman to move them on!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on April 13, 2018, 08:44:18 pm
That's a glorious shot, Roger :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 13, 2018, 09:05:11 pm
Another portrait format shot, this time looking southwards. I took this one twice as the first try showed up a problem with the layout Ė something that had been annoying me for while.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-130418195756.jpeg[/url])

 So I got a single edged razor blade and scraped away the offending grass.
Didn't know they still existed!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Zogbert Splod on April 13, 2018, 09:06:11 pm
The path leading to the signal box has been looking a bit odd with dark grass edging it...
I see what you mean but I should add that I DIDN'T see it till you mentioned it.

Your work is a total delight.....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 13, 2018, 09:15:46 pm
Didn't know they still existed!

Hope they still do, as I'm nearing the end of a box of 100 which have lasted about 25 years. Very useful little tools, though not, I guess, for their original use!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 13, 2018, 09:23:40 pm
Didn't know they still existed!

Hope they still do, as I'm nearing the end of a box of 100 which have lasted about 25 years. Very useful little tools, though not, I guess, for their original use!
If not, perhaps you could dismantle a Bic razor.  But I seem to recall the old-style safety blades were frequently recommended for use in arts & crafts, model making (e.g. balsa aeroplane kits), etc.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on April 13, 2018, 09:24:07 pm
Didn't know they still existed!

Hope they still do, as I'm nearing the end of a box of 100 which have lasted about 25 years. Very useful little tools, though not, I guess, for their original use!

....... and cheap too,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/332206899568?chn=ps&adgroupid=54713418609&rlsatarget=pla-411723789070&abcId=1133926&adtype=pla&merchantid=7211584&poi=&googleloc=9046471&device=m&campaignid=1057752920&crdt=0&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F710-134428-41853-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%25252Fi%25252F332206899568%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D332206899568%2526targetid%253D411723789070%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9046471%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1057752920%2526adgroupid%253D54713418609%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-411723789070%2526abcId%253D1133926%2526merchantid%253D7211584%2526gclid%253DEAIaIQobChMIjpqqkoq42gIVaL7tCh0CzAblEAQYAiABEgLjSfD_BwE%2526srcrot%253D710-134428-41853-0%2526rvr_id%253D1498550765512%2526rvr_ts%253Dc0acbbe31620add898805cedffff2236 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/332206899568?chn=ps&adgroupid=54713418609&rlsatarget=pla-411723789070&abcId=1133926&adtype=pla&merchantid=7211584&poi=&googleloc=9046471&device=m&campaignid=1057752920&crdt=0&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F710-134428-41853-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%25252Fi%25252F332206899568%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D332206899568%2526targetid%253D411723789070%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9046471%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1057752920%2526adgroupid%253D54713418609%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-411723789070%2526abcId%253D1133926%2526merchantid%253D7211584%2526gclid%253DEAIaIQobChMIjpqqkoq42gIVaL7tCh0CzAblEAQYAiABEgLjSfD_BwE%2526srcrot%253D710-134428-41853-0%2526rvr_id%253D1498550765512%2526rvr_ts%253Dc0acbbe31620add898805cedffff2236)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Innovationgame on April 14, 2018, 06:39:51 am
Didn't know they still existed!

Hope they still do, as I'm nearing the end of a box of 100 which have lasted about 25 years. Very useful little tools, though not, I guess, for their original use!
When I was at junior school, we used them in class for sharpening pencils.  I don't think that would be allowed now.  :(
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on April 14, 2018, 07:57:11 am
As a retired chalkie, I can affirm the above post.

What's a pencil, by the way?  :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: GreyWolf on April 14, 2018, 07:59:31 am
Me da had an old 'cut-throat' razor, and the barber I used to go to in Lausanne used one to trim the hair at the back of my neck.  :worried:

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: The Q on April 14, 2018, 08:27:28 am
We used to carry penknives to sharp pencils at school around 1970,  then in metal work, one of our first "everyone make one of these" tasks was a knife to hold a double sided razor blade.

A six inch by 1 inch by 1/4 inch piece of bar.
First file both ends flat and stand it up on the engineers table.
Then hacksaw a tapering handle shape, leaving an oblong, just under razor blade head at one end.
 Then heat and forge by hammering the handle into the proscribed S bend.
Drill and tap a hole to match that in razor blade.
Cut a piece of brass drill hole to match above, fold brass to provide a cover for side and back of blade.
Make small slot head machine screw from piece of rod.
Insert razer blade, put cover on, insert bolt.
Test cutting cardboard with it.

Take home to parents, have confiscated, as too dangerous for me to have aged 12.
Got it back some years later, though I haven't a clue where it is now.. it could be useful.

I last had a neck shave ( free part of hair cut) in Saudi with a cut throat razor in about 2001

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on April 14, 2018, 08:39:47 am
Barbers here will still do that.

Sorry, Roger. Thread hijack of your wonderful layout.

Back on topic, folks!  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on April 15, 2018, 10:47:31 am
A bit of scruffiness and variation in paths and paving adds realism. Vary colours and add incidentals like bits of new tarmac where services have been dug up and replaced or patched.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 16, 2018, 12:54:37 pm
Iíve been experimenting with point rodding ideas.  Looking at the method used by @N-Gauge-US (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4712) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36742.msg433466#msg433466 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36742.msg433466#msg433466)) I tried something similar but using .5mm square styrene instead of wire for the rodding. I cut the cranks using the Silhouette Portrait machine. They look a bit coarse but I might be able to slim them down a bit. I donít feel inclined to join the 2mmFS Society just to buy a fret of cranks! And the method of making rodding described in a recent MRJ looks far too fiddly for me.

A couple of photos show the result before painting. The cranks to the left of the shots are where the rodding enters the signal box. Imagine the points being operated to be somewhere behind the test track.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-160418124523.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-160418124550.jpeg)

Hereís how it looks after adding some scatter and painting the rodding.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-160418124625.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-160418124700.jpeg)

Itís going to be quite tricky adding the rodding to the layout. Iíve tried digging out the ballast and scatter to see how practical it would be to install the stools and itís not at all easy! I dug right down to the baseboard finding some plaster under the scatter. But going that deep would be the only way to get the stools level. And Iíd need to fit over fifty of them for the run from the signal box to the most southerly points so itís not going to be a quick job! I think I can patch the damage that would be caused. Fortunately I havenít weathered the ballast yet, so any new stuff should match ok, and the scatter is a standard mix.

So Iím uncertain whether to give this a go. Any thoughts welcomeÖwill adding this rather crude rodding be an improvement or am I risking spoiling the layout?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on April 16, 2018, 01:08:08 pm
What a dilemma. To my untrained eye your point rodding and cranks looks pretty damned good but, in all the great pics you've posted, I have never thought to myself "That would look better with point rodding". If it were not so much hassle I'd say go ahead but ask yourself if it really adds something.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on April 16, 2018, 01:12:40 pm
Iíve been experimenting with point rodding ideas. .......

They look a bit coarse but I might be able to slim them down a bit. I donít feel inclined to join the 2mmFS Society just to buy a fret of cranks!........

So Iím uncertain whether to give this a go. Any thoughts welcomeÖwill adding this rather crude rodding be an improvement or am I risking spoiling the layout?

As someone who hadn't even given consideration to such things in N gauge, I think they look great. Your camera shows a level of detail which I would not discern from 3 feet away.......so I would keep them. Having said that, you have set the bar so high Roger that I feel bad just commenting, let alone giving an opinion  :beers:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: maridunian on April 16, 2018, 01:25:52 pm

So Iím uncertain whether to give this a go. Any thoughts welcomeÖwill adding this rather crude rodding be an improvement or am I risking spoiling the layout?



This looks stunningly effective to me. I've been mulling adding rodding for 3/4 points controlled from my signal box (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg491339#msg491339) for some time, and you might just have talked me into it.

So far as getting the stools straight and level, I'd be tempted to put in a line of suitably spaced track-pins (etc), then level those, epoxy the stools onto them and build up ballast/foliage to a convincing level.

Mike
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: sp1 on April 16, 2018, 01:43:35 pm
Point rodding is one of those things that looks great and adds to what is already there,.....but...how many notice itís absence? What you have done looks much better once painted, which helps to disguise the size, but to me it jars because 0.5mm in this scale is equivalent to 6 inches! Is there some way of doing this with wire?

Edit to add: what about guitar strings- .08 available from most music shops very cheaply, and reasonably strong....just a thought....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on April 16, 2018, 03:15:47 pm
NO,don't do this to me,Hawes Junction is over 24ft long,I may have to steal this idea  :hmmm: It looks too good!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on April 16, 2018, 03:50:16 pm
I think your point rodding looks excellent, Roger.

If you are unsure about it, why not install the rodding coming out of the signalbox, where it is most obvious, first and then decide whether to proceed.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on April 16, 2018, 06:02:26 pm
because 0.5mm in this scale is equivalent to 6 inches! Is there some way of doing this with wire?


At 2mm=1 foot I make 0.5mm 3 inches.   ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: DaveGlew on April 16, 2018, 06:21:39 pm
because 0.5mm in this scale is equivalent to 6 inches! Is there some way of doing this with wire?


At 2mm=1 foot I make 0.5mm 3 inches.   ;)

Me too........ but started to doubt my sums. Sorry but in my (imprecise) book, if it looks right it probably is.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 16, 2018, 08:03:18 pm
As a retired chalkie, I can affirm the above post.

What's a pencil, by the way?  :D
A pencil is something we used to use in the Olden Days instead of a keyboard.
But what's a chalkie? :confusedsign:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on April 16, 2018, 08:27:30 pm
I like the point rodding. But instead of starting from the signal box why not start the rodding from  the sidings. If you don't like it, rust it and assume it's been disconnected and put a hand lever next to the point.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on April 16, 2018, 08:38:31 pm

What's a pencil, by the way?

You put one up each nostril, put your undies on your head and say "Wibble"
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: 25901JFM on April 17, 2018, 02:59:38 pm

What's a pencil, by the way?

You put one up each nostril, put your undies on your head and say "Wibble"

 :laughabovepost:  A cunning plan per chance?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 17, 2018, 09:49:10 pm
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions! I might just give this project a go. It should keep me busy for a while...

I like the point rodding. But instead of starting from the signal box why not start the rodding from  the sidings. If you don't like it, rust it and assume it's been disconnected and put a hand lever next to the point.

I was planning to put a ground frame with a couple of levers for the three-way point in the goods yard - that avoids having a run of five rods. But I will start at the south end of the layout, furthest from the signal box. If it all goes wrong it should be fairly easy to lift the stools and re-ballast.

Is there some way of doing this with wire? Edit to add: what about guitar strings- .08 available from most music shops very cheaply, and reasonably strong....just a thought....

The test piece by N-Gauge-US did use wire and I gave it a try. I also tried fishing line. But I really want square section rodding (don't think I'll bother with inverted U-channel!) and I also feel that it will be easier to glue the parts together if it's all the same material. Agree that it is over-scale, though. I can't find a dimensioned drawing of the real thing, but I guess the rods are a couple of inches or less.

So far as getting the stools straight and level, I'd be tempted to put in a line of suitably spaced track-pins (etc), then level those, epoxy the stools onto them and build up ballast/foliage to a convincing level.

I've had a think about that idea. I think the pins would have to go below ballast level so there would still have to be some scraping away. The ballast between the pin heads would prevent putting a straight edge along them to get them level, though it would be easy enough to make a little jig that would sit across the rails and thus align the pins to the track - I hope that's level!

NO,don't do this to me,Hawes Junction is over 24ft long,I may have to steal this idea  :hmmm: It looks too good!

I'd work out how many sleepers there are in that length, divide by four and wonder how you'd make that many stools!!

I'll report progress, if any, in due course...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Big bad John on April 18, 2018, 02:38:29 am
I'd work out how many sleepers there are in that length, divide by four and wonder how you'd make that many stools!!
Guinness is your friend here! :D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: JonHarbour on April 18, 2018, 03:22:31 am
I never thought I'd read about stool sampling on this forum!  ;)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on April 18, 2018, 08:07:20 am
After a chat with group leader,it's been decided that we have enough on our plate.............for now :no:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 18, 2018, 09:43:01 am
I've always liked double entendres. Couldn't resist that one!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on April 18, 2018, 09:47:35 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on April 18, 2018, 10:26:11 am
I'm quite proud of myself for resisting any temptation to make a comment.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: sp1 on April 18, 2018, 08:00:43 pm
I have just noticed that Plastruct do a 0.3mm square section strip:

http://www.ema-models.co.uk/index.php/plastruct-fineline-styrene/square-rod.html?p=2 (http://www.ema-models.co.uk/index.php/plastruct-fineline-styrene/square-rod.html?p=2)

Would that work for N scale point rodding?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 18, 2018, 09:32:30 pm
I have just noticed that Plastruct do a 0.3mm square section strip:

[url]http://www.ema-models.co.uk/index.php/plastruct-fineline-styrene/square-rod.html?p=2[/url] ([url]http://www.ema-models.co.uk/index.php/plastruct-fineline-styrene/square-rod.html?p=2[/url])

Would that work for N scale point rodding?

Many thanks for that. I reckon it would be nearer to scale size. I wonder if it would be strong enough, but worth giving it a try, I think. And waiting for some to come is a good excuse to do nothing for a while!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: maridunian on April 19, 2018, 02:53:29 pm
rogerdB wrote:

ďI think the pins would have to go below ballast level so there would still have to be some scraping away.Ē

Here are some point rods I snapped as I passed them at Carmarthen this morning.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/2947-190418143940.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/2947-190418110203.jpeg)

There's a prototype for everything out there!

Mike

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 19, 2018, 06:53:16 pm

So Iím uncertain whether to give this a go. Any thoughts welcomeÖwill adding this rather crude rodding be an improvement or am I risking spoiling the layout?



This looks stunningly effective to me. I've been mulling adding rodding for 3/4 points controlled from my signal box ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28271.msg491339#msg491339[/url]) for some time, and you might just have talked me into it.

So far as getting the stools straight and level, I'd be tempted to put in a line of suitably spaced track-pins (etc), then level those, epoxy the stools onto them and build up ballast/foliage to a convincing level.

Mike
Small screws would allow you to adjust the height more easily and would provide a more stable base.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: maridunian on April 19, 2018, 09:33:36 pm
Small screws would allow you to adjust the height more easily and would provide a more stable base.

Yes, I agree

Mike
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 22, 2018, 11:20:16 pm
After spending time in the garden during the warm weather I finally got round to trying the 0.3mm Plastruct for point rodding this afternoon. As I expected it's very fragile, in fact trying to thread it through holes in the stools was enough to bend it! So it was time for another experiment using wire, also 0.3mm diameter. Still more to do, so no photos yet, but I think this is the way to go.

In the meantime here's a photo of a J39 shunting the goods yard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-220418230934.jpeg)

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RichardBattersby on April 23, 2018, 09:28:29 pm
An instant favourite!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on April 23, 2018, 09:42:43 pm
Another superb pic,very nice shot.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 23, 2018, 09:53:45 pm
Another superb pic,very nice shot.

Seconded, Chris. Superb in every way.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 25, 2018, 05:30:37 pm
Photos of another test piece with my latest try at point rodding, as mentioned above Iím using wire this time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-250418170852.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-250418170925.jpeg)

I didnít like the idea of using a bit of wire to represent the rod passing under the track with the obvious risk of shorting the rails. I couldnít find any plastic rod of the right diameter so instead I used a small piece of 20 thou sheet plasticard. I removed all the ballast between the sleepers where the rod had to pass. The 20 thou was cut to fit vertically in the space between the track webbing, sitting on the cork underlay. The top edge of the card was rounded off a bit.  After fixing the card in place and painting it I replaced the ballast. The Ďrodí crossing the track looks as though itís bent in the second photo because I got the stools a bit too low! They're sitting on the baseboard - I've yet to investigate whether mounting them on small screws will be the better method.

A drawing on
http://ambisengineering.co.uk/pointroddingwiresystem_pt1.pdf (http://ambisengineering.co.uk/pointroddingwiresystem_pt1.pdf) shows the points of a crossover operated by a single rod Ė I assume this was normal practice? If so it means I only need a long run of two rods instead of the three I was thinking I needed.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on April 25, 2018, 09:36:44 pm
Excellent, Roger.  Your point rodding looks realistic enough to trip over!

I'm with you on the single rod operating a crossover.  It would be worked from one lever in the frame.  If it's on a passenger line, there would be the facing point locks as well, which is, I assume, your other rod.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on April 25, 2018, 10:19:37 pm
Excellent, Roger.  Your point rodding looks realistic enough to trip over!

Yes, I must remember to put covers at spots where staff might be walking over the rods!

I'm with you on the single rod operating a crossover.  It would be worked from one lever in the frame.  If it's on a passenger line, there would be the facing point locks as well, which is, I assume, your other rod.

The photo is just a little test piece so random number of rods. I have wondered about an FPL - the only facing point is the entrance to the goods loop - but perhaps it's going a bit too far in N!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on April 26, 2018, 12:15:12 am
Excellent, Roger.  Your point rodding looks realistic enough to trip over!

I'm with you on the single rod operating a crossover.  It would be worked from one lever in the frame.  If it's on a passenger line, there would be the facing point locks as well, which is, I assume, your other rod.

Best wishes.

John
Thank you for that - I've been trying to convince my colleagues in the local N Gauge Group that the two points in a crossover should operate in unison.  I've also been trying to convince one member that a single slip can be controlled with a single switch operating both point motors, but to no avail. 
I fear, however, my remaining years are too short for me to contemplate installing point rodding; the obvious next stage would be signal wires (I think we have the technology in the form of the lightest monofil fishing line), but my sanity is too fragile.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2018, 09:56:17 am
I've been trying to convince my colleagues in the local N Gauge Group that the two points in a crossover should operate in unison.


If it helps you convince them, no lesser authority than Brian Lambert shows how to use 3 studs on a crossover and how to link things so the middle stud is used to operate both points.
(Near to the bottom of this page under 'Stud & Probe wiring')

http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical.html#Motor (http://www.brian-lambert.co.uk/Electrical.html#Motor)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on April 26, 2018, 10:00:44 am
With a decent CDU with a bit of grunt, one button on a mimic panel will throw the two points over at once no worries.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on April 26, 2018, 11:37:29 am
Thank you for that - I've been trying to convince my colleagues in the local N Gauge Group that the two points in a crossover should operate in unison.  I've also been trying to convince one member that a single slip can be controlled with a single switch operating both point motors, but to no avail. 
I fear, however, my remaining years are too short for me to contemplate installing point rodding; the obvious next stage would be signal wires (I think we have the technology in the form of the lightest monofil fishing line), but my sanity is too fragile.

Many thanks for this.  It is the normal practice for the two points in a crossover to be operated by one lever.  There may be exceptions (I seem to recall one at Plumpton Junction on the former Furness Railway), but this is the norm.  Perhaps this will help to convince them:

https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=1043

The crossovers and, where appropriate, facing point locks are shown very clearly.

The normal practice was for the two switches in a crossover to be designated, for example, '8A' and '8B'.  'A' would normally be closest to the signal box.  Nowadays, with the signal box, perhaps, several counties away, 'A' will normally be closest to the 'Zero' milepost for the line.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 01, 2018, 05:38:43 pm
I've made a start on installing a short length of point rodding on the layout, but progress has been slow for various reasons! So instead of pictures of progress being made here's a photo from the archive. The loco is another example of TMC's weathering, the medium option this time.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-010518173336.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 01, 2018, 05:55:51 pm
Looking splendid ! :jealous:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on May 01, 2018, 10:43:09 pm
Sorry, I've run out of superlatives, but wow!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: sp1 on May 02, 2018, 06:27:47 am
I've made a start on installing a short length of point rodding on the layout, but progress has been slow for various reasons! So instead of pictures of progress being made here's a photo from the archive. The loco is another example of TMC's weathering, the medium option this time.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-010518173336.jpeg[/url])

Wow! Every new picture gets better and better
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on May 02, 2018, 10:04:57 am
Wonderful picture Roger. This is just the kind of modelling that I aspire to try and one day achieve!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 04, 2018, 09:50:11 pm
After my experiments with point rodding Iíve finally installed a short length on the layout to see how it looks. To make the stools I started by cutting a 3mm wide strip of 30 thou plasticard. Using a crude jig I drilled the holes for the wires to pass through before separating each upright from the strip. As my track is on 1/8th inch cork underlay I needed a base about 2.5mm thick for which I used short lengths of square section Plastruct. I placed these on a length of masking tape fixed sticky side up before adding the uprights. Before removing the stools from the tape I painted them, trying to avoid the blocking the holes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-040518214259.jpeg)

I then got my spade out and dug holes down to baseboard level.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-040518214320.jpeg)

The stools were glued into place and the holes were filled with ballast and scatter. The wires were then threaded through the holes. A small drop of superglue on each stool holds the wires in place. I cut some strips of paper which I slid under the wires to protect the ballast as I painted the Ďrodsí.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-040518214343.jpeg)

The cranks were cut from 20thou plasticard by the Silhouette machine and are mounted on bases made from further pieces of Plastruct. Thereís a tiny piece of 20thou between base and crank. Iíve still got to add the rods going across the tracks.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6299-040518214404.jpeg)

I donít think thereís any turning back now!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 04, 2018, 10:58:19 pm
Certainly looks the part,fits right in. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 05, 2018, 03:38:28 am
THat's amazingly delicate work but the results are excellent.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on May 05, 2018, 07:55:33 am
Wonderful work Roger and something that is even harder when you are retrofitting them to scenically complete layout.

This is something that I've always wanted to put on my layout. Having seen yours, I'm very glad that I only have five points to make rodding for (none of which are very far from the signal box).

You do know that now you're doing that, there is an expectation for you to model the signal wires too!  :P (I'm joking of course!)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on May 05, 2018, 09:00:02 am
Wonderful modelling but, I fear, a stretch too far for me :no:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on May 05, 2018, 09:07:37 am
Superb work Roger, this layout just keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Rowlie on May 05, 2018, 10:25:39 am
Fantastic modelling, I feel the point rodding certainly adds to the realism you have already created.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 05, 2018, 11:25:38 am
Wonderful work Roger and something that is even harder when you are retrofitting them to scenically complete layout.

I'm not looking forward to doing the six points (arranged as three crossovers) which are near the platforms, signal box and goods shed. Plenty of scope for doing damage there.

You do know that now you're doing that, there is an expectation for you to model the signal wires too!  :P (I'm joking of course!)

Not to mention wires between the telegraph poles!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on May 05, 2018, 11:46:24 am
Are you serious?

You're not.  :worried:

On a serious note, to me it would be like having catenary wires! The hand from God would inevitably damage something!!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 05, 2018, 11:59:37 am
Are you serious?

You're not.  :worried:

On a serious note, to me it would be like having catenary wires! The hand from God would inevitably damage something!!

Definitely joking! Especially as the telegraph poles are at the front of the layout...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on May 05, 2018, 12:04:23 pm
Mine are right on the baseboard edge too, and everytime I put my hand across to attend to a stalled loco or clean the track, etc., I invariably knock them over!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 05, 2018, 01:13:04 pm
Mine are right on the baseboard edge too, and everytime I put my hand across to attend to a stalled loco or clean the track, etc., I invariably knock them over!

I didn't fix one of the poles, just left it so that it could be removed when taking photos as it spoils one of the best views. The only problem is finding the hole where it goes once the photo has been taken!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on May 05, 2018, 07:51:30 pm
Came across this useful picture of rodding at Eynsham on the Fairford Branch

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/202-050518195106.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64984)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 05, 2018, 09:28:57 pm
Came across this useful picture of rodding at Eynsham on the Fairford Branch.

Thanks Caz. It shows the real shape of the rodding stools, but short of using the 2mmFS etches I don't think I can achieve that. I assume that's a signal wire visible, too. Certainly won't be modelling any of those - just in case I left any trace of doubt in George's mind!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on May 06, 2018, 09:15:57 am
I'm not looking forward to doing the six points (arranged as three crossovers) which are near the platforms, signal box and goods shed. Plenty of scope for doing damage there.

I can imagine that you are not! It takes a lot of courage to undertake changes once a model is 'finished'. Best of luck (but you won't need it as it'll work out perfectly!).  :)

Quote
Not to mention wires between the telegraph poles!

Could you train a spider to 'string' the poles? That would have the addition benefit of having the ability to get the 'wires' replace if/when you accidentally knock them!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 06, 2018, 11:14:15 am
Could you train a spider to 'string' the poles? That would have the addition benefit of having the ability to get the 'wires' replace if/when you accidentally knock them!  :smiley-laughing:

Does anyone make an N gauge Spiderman?!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Novice41 on May 06, 2018, 04:48:55 pm
So good that I hardly noticed them. Very realistic.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 08, 2018, 10:27:27 pm
So good that I hardly noticed them. Very realistic.

And they become even less noticeable when there are trains about!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-080518222549.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on May 09, 2018, 12:07:27 am
The trains might dominate the view more than the other features Roger but things like the point rodding only enhance the overall effect. I think you were completely right in your decision to add them as they only increase the realism and quality of your layout.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on May 09, 2018, 06:40:50 am
 :thumbsup:

 :thankyousign:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on May 09, 2018, 07:28:29 am
Wot he said.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on May 09, 2018, 08:05:04 am
Adding such details make you want to look and look and keep looking as there is so much to see and absorb.
The detail is astounding and it was well worth the effort.
Fabulous.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 09, 2018, 08:19:28 am
Adding such details make you want to look and look and keep looking as there is so much to see and absorb.
The detail is astounding and it was well worth the effort.
Fabulous.

Seconded. Truly inspiring work.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on May 09, 2018, 04:39:38 pm
Lovely photo, as always!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 12, 2018, 09:44:34 pm
The recent fine weather certainly slowed down progress with the point rodding! But raining today, so I finished the next section which picks up at the baseboard joint where the first section ended and runs along to the signal box. Here's the result. I still need to do some work on the ballast and scatter.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-120518214025.jpeg)

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on May 13, 2018, 04:29:50 am
Just keeps getting better and better.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2018, 06:26:49 am
Just keeps getting better and better.   :thumbsup:

Seconded! The rake of vacuum-braked mineral wagons is superbly weathered, too. The whole picture looks just like the real thing.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 16, 2018, 02:54:29 pm
Grabbing a bit of time between jobs in the garden Iíve finally managed to add the first bit of point rodding crossing the tracks. The sections in the four foot were made in the same way that I used in the last test piece Ė pieces of plasticard buried in the ballast. The same method worked in the six foot but not between the main lines and the adjacent tracks, where thereís no ballast. I decided I had to use wire for those parts, plastic rod being a bit too frail, I think. To avoid the risk of shorting the rails I used two short lengths of wire fixed to the underside of the Ďwoodení covers. Lining up the various bits is quite challenging!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-160518145127.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Caz on May 16, 2018, 07:44:19 pm
The recent fine weather certainly slowed down progress with the point rodding! But raining today, so I finished the next section which picks up at the baseboard joint where the first section ended and runs along to the signal box. Here's the result. I still need to do some work on the ballast and scatter.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-120518214025.jpeg[/url])


If it wasn't for the edge of the baseboard you 'd be hard pushed to say whether is was real or not, superb modelling Roger.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 16, 2018, 10:50:32 pm
Any more thoughts on ' :foodanddrink: Wrenton,the movie'.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 16, 2018, 10:52:10 pm
OOH, Icon didn't work

Moderator Comment Does now, you need a space after the smiley code
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on May 16, 2018, 11:06:05 pm
Grabbing a bit of time between jobs in the garden Iíve finally managed to add the first bit of point rodding crossing the tracks. The sections in the four foot were made in the same way that I used in the last test piece Ė pieces of plasticard buried in the ballast. The same method worked in the six foot but not between the main lines and the adjacent tracks, where thereís no ballast. I decided I had to use wire for those parts, plastic rod being a bit too frail, I think. To avoid the risk of shorting the rails I used two short lengths of wire fixed to the underside of the Ďwoodení covers. Lining up the various bits is quite challenging!

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-160518145127.jpeg[/url])

Could they be connected with short lengths of sheathing from copper wire & still be hidden under the protective walkways?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 17, 2018, 10:26:59 pm
Any more thoughts on ' :foodanddrink: Wrenton,the movie'.

I was hoping to get a new, more powerful and hopefully more reliable computer before buying new editing software. I've got lots of old videos to edit as well as Wrenton. Unfortunately my teeth are about to take a large bite out of my bank account! Yet another implant going in next month, it's an expensive option but now I've started down that route there's no way back. So the movie will have to wait a while, I'm afraid. But I have treated Wrenton to something new - photos coming soon.

Could they be connected with short lengths of sheathing from copper wire & still be hidden under the protective walkways?

The problem with using different materials is getting them all the same size, or at least nearly so. I've made up the parts needed for the next 'crossing' using the same method as the existing one but I need to get some more rodding stools made before I can start installation. Perhaps I'll have a re-think when the time comes to work on the three crossovers near the signal box.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 19, 2018, 08:15:40 pm
It may be wedding day in Windsor but itís Jubilee day in WrentonÖ

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-190518200954.jpeg)

Like all my recent purchases Eire came from TMC, weathered by them and with real coal fitted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-190518201014.jpeg)

Wrenton seems to be moving steadily westwards and further away from its East Anglian roots. I do like the look of locos with tapered boilers, so perhaps I should move it still more to the west!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-190518201034.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on May 19, 2018, 08:30:14 pm
Thank you for these super photographs, Roger.

With regard to a move to the west, due to attractive taper-boiler engines, you would probably then see a 'D16/3' or similar and want to move back east!

More seriously, the wonderful built environment of Wrenton shouts "East of Ermine Street!" to me.

The answer, I venture to suggest, is - Rule 2.

John
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on May 19, 2018, 08:59:35 pm
Gresley never did design a decent whistle anyway :P ;)

I'm beginning to wonder if there would be a market for a calendar composed of your photos, Roger, although I can't see you doing a winter scene just for one or two pics. The clean up would be a swine, methinks.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 20, 2018, 12:12:23 am
Although I have an Eastern region bias myself,I do like a nice Jube. On Hawes Junction,(Warley MRC's new layout),I plan to to have Jubilees and A3's running together,I believe the Thames Clyde Express was often A3 hauled.                 As usual ,photo's look superb.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 20, 2018, 10:42:54 pm
The clean up would be a swine, methinks.

Not to mention sweeping all those leaves off the track after the autumn shots.

I'm very much in the school of 'my railway, I'll run what I like.' I did think it would be good to have a selection of stock from all regions so that I could set up themed photos. And then I worked out how much it would cost to buy all those locos and changed my mind! But it would be nice to see a Castle passing through Wrenton...
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on May 21, 2018, 01:00:54 am
Although I have an Eastern region bias myself,I do like a nice Jube. On Hawes Junction,(Warley MRC's new layout),I plan to to have Jubilees and A3's running together,I believe the Thames Clyde Express was often A3 hauled.                 As usual ,photo's look superb.
I understand this was a relatively short-lived phenomenon, in the late 1950s & early 1960s (1962 at the latest).
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 21, 2018, 07:16:14 am
Yep , that's the period we'll be  modelling, Jubes ,Scots,Black 5's,9F's,8F's (when they are available),and some tank engines,oh and some diesels,all depending who's got what.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 24, 2018, 02:43:31 pm
I managed to find time to do a bit more work on the point rodding yesterday, and have done some minor tweaks with ballast and paint today. Photo to come soon, I hope. Iíve also started thinking about the routing of the rodding around the three crossovers near the signal box. I took a photo of the area from above so that I could draw various options onto it. And that gave me the idea of doing a Ďsatellite viewí of the whole layout. What follows is assembled from five handheld shots, me standing on a chair holding the camera as square on as possible given that I could hardly see its display! Photoshop has had a go at combining the shots so here is Wrenton from the air.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-240518144149.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: port perran on May 24, 2018, 02:53:08 pm
Thatís very interesting Roger.
Itís great to see your absolutely marvellous layout from above. It shows the gentle curves of not only the track but also the street to great effect.
Thank you, it really is a superb layout which is very pleasing on the eye.
Martin
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: daveg on May 24, 2018, 03:14:26 pm
Brilliant - thank you!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2018, 03:51:59 pm
I think I must have odd eyesight as the scenic section being 2ft 6in wide looks right but the 'length' does not look like the 9ft 6in :confused2:
Great to see an aerial view of the layout, though.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on May 24, 2018, 08:23:02 pm
Dimensions, like time, are relative, as I'm sure the Doctor will confirm.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Train Waiting on May 24, 2018, 08:47:04 pm
Thatís very interesting Roger.
Itís great to see your absolutely marvellous layout from above. It shows the gentle curves of not only the track but also the street to great effect.
Thank you, it really is a superb layout which is very pleasing on the eye.
Martin

Couldn't hope to find a better way of expressing my thoughts so...

... seconded!

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 25, 2018, 09:29:57 am
Thatís very interesting Roger.
Itís great to see your absolutely marvellous layout from above. It shows the gentle curves of not only the track but also the street to great effect.
Thank you, it really is a superb layout which is very pleasing on the eye.
Martin

Couldn't hope to find a better way of expressing my thoughts so...

... seconded!

Best wishes.

John

Thirded! Stunning scenic work indeed.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Mito on May 25, 2018, 08:55:42 pm
Fourthed :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 29, 2018, 03:20:07 pm
I still haven't found time to photograph phase two of the point rodding, though I did make about 70 rodding stools yesterday ready for phase three! In the meantime here's a couple more pics of Eire.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-290518151541.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-290518151606.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on May 29, 2018, 04:25:55 pm
Oh my, that IS nice,you gotta love a Jube. :heart2:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: pape_timmo on May 29, 2018, 07:30:36 pm
This layout is beyond stunning.... itís world class .

I only hope that when I eventually get time to build mine it looks anything like a real railway, not even close to anything on this layout.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on May 31, 2018, 10:02:59 pm
Phase Two of the point rodding at last. And a chance to feature 90201.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-310518215420.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-310518215539.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-310518215503.jpeg)


Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 02, 2018, 11:10:34 pm
Phase three of point rodding is now underway. I've dug out the holes and installed the rodding stools and the cranks, hoping everything will line up when I add the 'rods'. And some of the holes have been refilled with ballast. Not worth a photo at this stage, so here instead is a couple more shots of 90201.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-020618225503.jpeg)

In the second shot the train is passing the area that looks rather different today. It's here that much of the new rodding will be seen. One problem I've found is that I installed the signal box a bit too low for the rodding to to meet it correctly, but I think I've got a fix that will solve the problem. I'm certainly not going to risk trying to remove the whole box to raise it - I don't think the steps would survive that process!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6299-020618225524.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2018, 09:11:45 am
Out of curiosity, has your DubDee got any shiny patches where the weathering has worn off with handling, Roger?
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 03, 2018, 08:21:02 pm
Out of curiosity, has your DubDee got any shiny patches where the weathering has worn off with handling, Roger?

No sign of that happening yet, Mick. Mine is factory weathered, bought before I started using TMC. Perhaps we should handle locos with white cotton gloves? Actually I don't have to handle mine much as the fiddle yard is just big enough to house all my stock. But it is now pretty full so I might have to think about how to store locos if I buy many more. As I'm having a dental implant on Wednesday that won't be happening soon!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2018, 08:31:00 pm
Thanks for that, Roger. Mine is just the factory weathered one and like the "No tools kept in this van overnight" I don't leave any locos on the layout after I've finished play testing so inevitably there is some careful handling. This loco seems worse than the B1, J39, Fairburn, Jubilee, Royal Scot and Jinty I have (wonder why Farish don't weather steam locos from Southern and Western regions :hmmm:). Sadly I can't afford to have them weathered from an outside source.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on June 03, 2018, 09:02:57 pm
..
 Perhaps we should handle locos with white cotton gloves?
Ö


I never touch any decorated bits of a model without gloves.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/5427-030618205931.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 03, 2018, 09:42:17 pm
Sussex by the sea has been very sunny today, so garden jobs took priority. But I did spend an hour first thing threading wires through the rodding stools. Think having to thread 70 needles the eyes of which are practically invisible! The wires are not trimmed to length or fixed in place yet. Anyway, a couple of shots showing progress so far.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6299-030618213859.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6299-030618213923.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 04, 2018, 10:35:06 pm
A bit more progress, but this is a stage where waiting becomes the order of the day. The wires were trimmed to length and glued to their cranks and to some of the rodding stools. I then did a bit more patching of the damaged ballast - more to do later - and added fresh scatter to the front of the rodding nearest the camera. I'll probably add a bit more static grass there in due course. The final jobs were to paint the wires with etching primer, which needs a day to harden before it can be painted over. And of course to take the photo.

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Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 10, 2018, 10:37:04 pm
Some progress at last Ė the rodding crossing the tracks is now in place, everything has been painted, and ballast and scatter patched. I still need to add a bit of grass between the path and the tracks and pick up some of the bits of stray ballast. Static grass really gets hold of the stuff!

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I did say in an earlier post that I thought a facing point lock is going a bit far in N but in this last shot there is a rod and crank not connected to anythingÖ

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Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2018, 06:43:50 am
Many thanks for another excellent set of photos. of stunning work.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 11, 2018, 09:02:03 am
Many thanks for another excellent set of photos. of stunning work.

Wot he said :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Atso on June 11, 2018, 09:06:38 am
Excellent work on the point rodding Roger!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Bealman on June 11, 2018, 09:25:26 am
Superb work. :thumbsup:

There is no way I can criticise this amazing layout, but I'll confess here.... Roger, I glanced at new pics on my phone just before I left Tokyo, and on the thumbnails, thought the rodding was baseboard joints!

I thought, exhibition layout.... before I realised it was Wrenton!  :-[
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 11, 2018, 10:52:59 am
I glanced at new pics on my phone just before I left Tokyo, and on the thumbnails, thought the rodding was baseboard joints!

Unfortunately the baseboard joints are more noticeable than the rodding!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 15, 2018, 10:25:12 pm
A couple of small additions made in the last couple of days. First, a suggestion of a facing point lock. At least there's now something connected to the previously unused rodding!

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And for the three-way point in the goods yard there is now a ground frame.

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I think that will conclude the boring pics of track! Maybe some trains can run again now - services were suspended while the rodding was being installed due to all the little bits of loose ballast on the track, not to mention tiny bits of wire that managed to go astray.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: PhilD on June 15, 2018, 11:18:14 pm
Hello Roger,
Great modelling as always!
I presume the levers on the three-way move?
Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: SheldonC on June 16, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
I don't find your pictures of track at all boring; as for my own, however......
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 16, 2018, 08:29:47 pm
I presume the levers on the three-way move?

Phil, they're made of bristles from a scrubbing brush so they do flex a bit!

I don't find your pictures of track at all boring; as for my own, however......

It does look better with a train on the track though...

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After giving the track a thorough clean up with the vacuum cleaner I was able to run a train or two. But today being Saturday the service has been suspended again for unspecified work on the track. Just like the real thing!



Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: lil chris on June 16, 2018, 08:42:17 pm
Looking good there Roger, the pics of the track look fine but with trains they look even more effective.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: w greatbatch on June 16, 2018, 08:58:30 pm
There's just something about an A4 with a rake of blood and custards........... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 17, 2018, 10:43:25 pm
Services have been restored after the weekend work on the track. For some time Iíve wanted to tone down the ballast which has seemed to me to be too light in tone and too clean looking. So Iíve given it a wash with diluted artistsí acrylic raw umber giving a slightly darker tone and a warmer colour. I think it blends better with the surrounding scenery.

With this job done I donít think thereís a lot more to do on the layout so Iíve started taking pictures for a photo album, some of which Iíll post here. Some of these pics will echo earlier shots and hereís a view that I think Iíve used before: the J39 shunting the yard. Plenty of the newly coloured ballast on show.

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Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: belstone on June 17, 2018, 11:39:50 pm
The "weathered" ballast was well worth the effort, looks really good as does the point rodding, which was a very noticeable feature of real railways but hardly ever modelled.  Lovely work as always.

Richard
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: pape_timmo on June 18, 2018, 01:49:35 am
I see point ridding at Wokingham and it always looks so complicated to model. Youíve done an amazing job. :thumbsup:

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2018, 06:00:49 am
The "weathered" ballast was well worth the effort, looks really good as does the point rodding, which was a very noticeable feature of real railways but hardly ever modelled.  Lovely work as always.

Richard

Seconded! (I've run out of adjectives for your superb scenic work.) The "Wall's Ice Cream" van in the background is a very nice 1960s touch.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Hailstone on June 18, 2018, 03:12:29 pm
In a word...SUPERB!!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: wookie on June 18, 2018, 09:43:20 pm
Lovely work, simply lovely....
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Leon on June 19, 2018, 02:00:12 am
hereís a view that I think Iíve used before: the J39 shunting the yard. Plenty of the newly coloured ballast on show.

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Damn, I love those dirty wagons! I've just joined this thread, so if you've already addressed your method for weathering do you mind repeating?

Leon
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 19, 2018, 02:28:58 pm
Damn, I love those dirty wagons! I've just joined this thread, so if you've already addressed your method for weathering do you mind repeating?

Leon - They're mostly done with Lifecolor paints, using three sets - Rust and Dust, Rail Weathering and Weathered Wood. If you head back to page 14 of this thread you'll find that my first attempts at weathering are described there. http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg468987#msg468987 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg468987#msg468987)
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 20, 2018, 10:23:28 pm
Another pic for my photo album, a general view looking north.

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Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mk1gtstu on June 20, 2018, 10:36:50 pm
Excellent layout & photos  :thumbsup:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 21, 2018, 07:23:27 am
Thanks for another superb photo. of a highly realistic layout with lovely trains.
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: Milton Rail on June 21, 2018, 11:15:46 am
Point rodding looks great Roger and the weathered wagons & interesting loads are lovely in their own right!
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: rogerdB on June 23, 2018, 09:52:20 pm
I still wasn't completely happy with the ballast colour so I gave it another wash of artists' acrylic, this time Payne's Grey. The difference is not great in the photos I've taken so far, but the real thing does look better. Another, closer, view of the station looking north.

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Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: RailGooner on June 23, 2018, 10:09:49 pm
 :hmmm: I can see a difference, and - not that I can see anything wrong with the original, because it's perfect - this is better. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: pape_timmo on June 23, 2018, 10:40:10 pm
Absolutely stunning 👍👍

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: Wrenton
Post by: mika on June 24, 2018, 12:58:26 pm
Wonderfiul pictures of an amazing layout.

Best,
Michael