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Author Topic: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!  (Read 82641 times)

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #75 on: September 30, 2016, 04:48:21 pm »
A little note on the two stars on these wagons:

As part of the 1955 modernisation plan, BR decreed that long wheelbase tank wagons, fitted with automatic brakes, were suitable for high speed running, up to 60mph. To distinguish these tankers in that respect, two white stars were applied to the barrel, together with a smaller metal plate on the solebar.

Interestingly, three stars was reserved for tankers that were intended for passenger trains, such as milk tankers. No petroleum wagons carried three stars but apparently some foodstuff oil tankers did.

Prior to the two stars, from 1913, there was a single star applied to some tank wagons and this denoted a "fast traffic" vehicle. This meant the heady speed of 35mph, but they were not allowed to go more than 40 miles between stops for inspection purposes. In addition, individual wagons had to travel at least 100miles in slow trains (from new) before being allowed to travel in fast goods trains.

Hope that is of interest, and apologies for the digression.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #76 on: September 30, 2016, 05:02:18 pm »
Thanks for all the help folks.  When we have got the TEA sent out and I have a bit more time then I will pull together all the prototype info and add it to our website along with some example train formations (if anyone has any more to add then gratefully received!).  We will of course credit those of you who have given us info on our website.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2016, 12:14:38 am »
Really appreciate it guys!

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2016, 01:25:21 pm »
ScottyStitch, thanks for the info and the digression.

I'm intrigued about the unbranded wagons - why were there no stars on those if it is to denote the speed capability?

When debranded, did the Esso wagons keep their stars?

My kind-of-plan (rule 1-ish) is to have some Esso and some unbranded in a rake. Will I be (vaguely) accurate pretending they are debranded Esso wagons? Or did Esso rakes really have unbranded tankers mixed in?

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2016, 10:00:30 pm »
Were these used in the late 80s to deliver fuel to Long Rock or to Hayle Wharfs? If so which ones would be best?
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2016, 10:30:01 pm »
Were these used in the late 80s to deliver fuel to Long Rock or to Hayle Wharfs? If so which ones would be best?


The first photo in post #27 here appears to have a Class B behind the engine.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56264-hayle-wharf/page-2#entry2344428

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #81 on: October 04, 2016, 12:28:46 am »
Were these used in the late 80s to deliver fuel to Long Rock or to Hayle Wharfs? If so which ones would be best?
These were the unbranded ones.
in fact I don't know where branded and unbranded ones would be mixed, as these are, I believe, of different eras.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2016, 10:30:43 pm »
Were these used in the late 80s to deliver fuel to Long Rock or to Hayle Wharfs? If so which ones would be best?


The first photo in post #27 here appears to have a Class B behind the engine.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56264-hayle-wharf/page-2#entry2344428

But I guess you had already seen it Richard.


I had but was not sure these were the same wagons, as the livery looks different. Plus I was unclear on the type of fuels these were used on over the class A tanks. For all I knew those could be the Class A type and I would have to wait.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2016, 10:46:42 pm »

Hello all,

Thanks for all the support so far for this project.  It does seem that transition era modellers are deciding to get involved.

For anyone still having doubts, the modern TEA thread on here shows the standard of models now being delivered.

One think I would like to make clear is that the Class A tankers are by no means a certainty. 

They share the chassis with the Class B, so that has to happen for them to succeed.  Holding off from a Class B to "wait for" a Class A is probably a good way to ensure neither goes ahead...

Sorry to seem to mercenary but experience with other models shows that we have to be clear about our core aim:  to fund the production of Class Bs.  Anything later is a bonus.

Cheers

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2016, 10:48:23 pm »
The class A tanks are silver grey like the current Farish TTA tank. The Hale wharf photos have both in the consist.
hence the reason why Revolution would do a 35t class A after the class B.
Every one has to start somewhere. and the class B is the classic Airfix kit after all.
Class A tanks carried light fuels with low flammability temperatures hence the use of barrier vehicles, but class B were usually heavier bitumen based oils, less volatile and less flammable, so after mid 1960s did not need barrier wagons.
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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2016, 10:50:46 pm »
Sorry Ben
I will place my massive order soon :)
Class A's will follow if I have anything to do with it :)
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« Reply #86 on: October 04, 2016, 11:14:14 pm »

Hello all,

Thanks for all the support so far for this project.  It does seem that transition era modellers are deciding to get involved.

For anyone still having doubts, the modern TEA thread on here shows the standard of models now being delivered.

One think I would like to make clear is that the Class A tankers are by no means a certainty. 

They share the chassis with the Class B, so that has to happen for them to succeed.  Holding off from a Class B to "wait for" a Class A is probably a good way to ensure neither goes ahead...

Sorry to seem to mercenary but experience with other models shows that we have to be clear about our core aim:  to fund the production of Class Bs.  Anything later is a bonus.

Cheers

Ben A.

Hi Ben

I think you were absolutely clear at the outset that Class A would only happen if Class B made the cut.

I am really pleased that Transition Modellers are getting behind this one, but it should have such a wide appeal including pre and post TOPS BR blue as well. Given the standard set with the TEA I really hope many more will be encouraged to support it.

Regards

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2016, 08:32:07 am »
Just ordered a mixed rake of 8 Class Bs, will order more when finances allow.

The only problem was which ones to order, as four of the six versions on offer fall into the Era I'm modelling, so I compromised by ordering examples of each :)

FYI, Cambridge Custom Transfers do sheets of branding and numbering for the Esso and Regent versions of the Class B (BL9 and BL11 respectively), so if the purchasers of multiple multi-packs don't get different running numbers, a bit of renumbering can be undertaken.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2016, 09:21:14 pm »
Just went shopping for an unbranded model to turn into a waste fuel carrier, and found a picture of an Esso lettered one heavily weathered. Naturally, I've ended up buying two to model both!  :)

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Re: EXCLUSIVE - REVOLUTION Goes To The Top Of Class B!
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2016, 04:32:20 pm »

Hello all,

Preparatory work is proceeding on this model.

These are the preliminary drawings of both the Esso and Regent models.  The next step is for these 2D drawings to be imported into a 3D CAD program.



Pre-orders for this model are encouraging, but we continue to urge anyone interested to register their order, since the sooner we reach our target the sooner the models will come.

Cheers

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